Nash Rambler Finishing Up Strong

Riley Nash (the tall one) is having a very nice run at the end of his freshman season at Cornell. The “Big Red” won their best-of-3 series against Dartmouth and to quote the Cornell website “The Big Red will now face Union in a best-of-three quarterfinal series next weekend in Schenectady, N.Y. Game one of the series is set for Friday, March 14, at 7 p.m. at Messa Rink at Achilles Center.”

Achilles Center? Hoo-kay, then.

Nash is tied for the team lead in points (32gp, 12-17-29) and has 7 PP goals plus 2 game-winners. His splits (first 16gp, 7-7-14; second 16gp, 5-10-15) imply he isn’t slowing down. He went 1-3-4 in the 3-game series against Dartmouth this weekend.

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  1. Ozzieoiler says:

    You got to love the consistency he’s shown. Did Cogliano get this much love in Michigan.

    I just don’t remember the hype being this sustained for Cogliano. Was his knock that he was feeding off Hensick and Johnson?

    Least he gets a few more games this season!

  2. Bank Shot says:

    Cogliano had a poor second half in his freshman season, so his hype was a little subdued.

    Here’s some more season stats for Riley Nash (not including playoffs):

    +4 on the season. 4 on 4, 6 on 5/EN, and shorthanded goals for/against not included.

    74 shots on goal in 29 games. 14.8% shooting percentage.

    52.9% on the dot.

  3. Dennis says:

    How many games will they have to play before they make it to the NCAA’s?

  4. doritogrande says:

    I’d still feel a hell of a lot more convinced if he was playing somewhere a little more “respectable”, be it WHL or elsewhere in NCAA. He’s not getting the volume of games as other NCAAers, and probably isn’t working against the toughest opposition.

    If he’s prepared to do what Edmonton wants, and I think he has already mentioned that, I think they should pull him from Cornell next year and try to get him into UND or one of the Michigan schools. Yeah, he uses up a year of college elegibility, but who thinks he’s going to need all 4 years anyhow? If he’s not cool with that, maybe move him closer to home in the Dub. Who has his rights?

  5. Asiaoil says:

    Dorito – you think playing against 17 year olds in the WHL is more respectable than the NCAA? What the NCAA schools do with their players is coach, practice and workout instead of stuffing their them on endless bus rides to nowhere. Nash is fine right where he is.

  6. Bank Shot says:

    “How many games will they have to play before they make it to the NCAA’s?”

    They have a three games series against Union next, and then two one game elimation games to determine the winner of their Conference.

    If they win the Championship then they are automatically seeded in the NCAA Frozen Four tournament.

    Cornell is ranked 25th in the nation currently and the tournament is for 16 teams so they probably have to win the ECAC Championship to take part.

  7. PunjabiOil says:

    Yeah, I wouldn’t bring him to the WHL. If we’re going to do anything, send him to the AHL – though, perhaps that would be rushing him?

  8. Bruce says:

    you think playing against 17 year olds in the WHL is more respectable than the NCAA?

    Not exactly the NCAA but the CIS is pretty close in calibre, without the young hot shots. On Wednesday this week I caught the Oil Kings vs. Medicine Hat game, and on Friday I went to the Golden Bears vs. U. of Saskatchewan. Both games were blowouts so I just sat back and watched the flow of play, and to my eye the college game was easily one or two cuts above. Granted the Bears are a powerhouse playing for (yet another) conference pennant and the Oil Kings an expansion squad playing out the string, but I wasn’t just focussing on the home squad. The CIS game was faster and harder with better team play. Comparing the two is literally men against boys. No top-ranked talent perhaps, but I’ll take Harlan Anderson at 25 over Tyler Ennis at 18, thank you very much.

    The NCAA is a little different in that it allows some cross-pollination between young hotshots and more mature young men, but I don’t think Nash is getting shortchanged. As AO says, lots o’ time for practice.

  9. Dennis says:

    BS: Thanks for that. Please keep us updated on how he makes out between now and closing time.

  10. Gord says:

    The Oilers have a lot of young depth on defense – they have a lot of very young forwards… The best thing to do is add to the talent pool to ensure the next wave appears as our young core hits their prime of 22 to 27 years old…

    That means there is no need to rush Riley Nash at all – let him play another year at Cornell adding weight & gaining experience…

    I would however get his brother Brendon signed to a three year contract – he can pave the way for Riley in Springfield as he did in Cornell this year…

  11. Bank Shot says:

    “The CIS game was faster and harder with better team play. Comparing the two is literally men against boys.”

    That makes alot of sense considering that when the Oilers prospects play the Golden Bears they have a tough time of it(they always lose ;p) and the Oilers prospects team has the advantage over a regular junior team in that all the players are over 17 and are guys that have been drafted which means they are the cream of the junior crop.

    The average junior team would have 3-4 players of that calibre, and a bunch of fodder. A team like the Golden Bears would steamroll them.

  12. doritogrande says:

    When I say he’d be better off in the WHL, I mean based on quantity. Any CHL schedule is better designed to prepare kids for the rigors of the NHL. With collegians playing only Saturday and Sunday sure there’s a lot more time for coaching, and you have an easier time at home. What I’m trying to get across is maybe he’d be more physically prepared for immediate NHL action if he spent some time on a bus crossing the prairies.

  13. kanadienkyle says:

    If Nash wants to switch schools, why doesn’t he spend a year in the USHL? He is still eligible and could play a full (60 game) season and then switch colleges without missing a year of competition.

  14. Bruce says:

    The average junior team would have 3-4 players of that calibre, and a bunch of fodder. A team like the Golden Bears would steamroll them.

    Back in the 70s the previous generation of Oil Kings took on the Golden Bears in an (annual?) exhibition game. I only watched one of them, the Bears won something like 10-3 and then won all the fights as the kids started to get frustrated and decided to challenge the college “pussies” physically. That was a mistake. Like I said, men against boys.

    Same thing goes for the annual game between the Golden Bears and the Oiler Wannabes, a game I try to watch every year without fail. While I agree the Oiler prospects are of a talent level a little higher than a junior team, with a few older guys sprinkled in, the Bears have the further advantage of being a real team; even in training camp many of them have played together in previous seasons whereas the Wannabes are a grab-bag of guys out to make their own impression on the Oilers brain trust sitting in the SW corner. Often that impression is of poor decision-making or positional play as the Bears’ teamwork exposes their weaknesses. It’s always an, uh, educational experience.

  15. godot10 says:

    Playing on the first line and in most situations at Cornell as a freshman and sophomore is probably at least as good as 3rd and 4th line time at one of the hockey factories in US college or in junior hockey.

    One of the guys Ottawa drafted a couple of years ago out of a Minnesota high school sat on the bench most of the freshman season at University of Minnesota.

  16. doritogrande says:

    godot10:

    I’m fairly confidant Nash would be a better option than say, Chris Vande Velde at UND.

    Pure hearsay and absolutely nothing to back this statement up, just a gut feeling.

  17. doritogrande says:

    At least 2 of our 3 first rounders from this year are covering bets.

    The third however, hasn’t scored in over 3 months now. Just fucking lovely.

  18. godot10 says:

    //At least 2 of our 3 first rounders from this year are covering bets.
    The third however, hasn’t scored in over 3 months now. Just fucking lovely.//

    Meatloaf: “Two out of three ain’t bad!” -).

    Plante was always going to be a project.

  19. Dennis says:

    Two out of three ISN’T bad at all. And especially when you consider that 89 could be a counting stats star as quickly as 2010 and that you can compare Nash’s stats favourably with the Habs Higgins.

    Fuck, that’s quite a departure from when a young man would go to the Bulldogs games and try and convince himself of the worth of Joe Hullbig or Steve Kelly, note: even though I think Kelly would’ve been turned into a Cleary-type had he come up under MacT.

    But, I digress;)

    LT always makes the point that the Oilers scouting staff doesn’t get enough love and I think he’s bang-on.

    As much as I think Lowe kills us with his lines-in-the-contractual-sand and the way he handles big trades, if he’s been the author of some of these picks or even if he’s the guy in charge of finding and hold into these scouts, he should get some credit for it.

  20. dstaples says:

    Beyond wildest dreams good news: Gagner.

    Great, great news: Cogliano, Hemsky. Gilbert. Stoll (until injury). Nilsson.

    Great news: Smid. Stortini. Brodziak. Greene. Grebeshkov. Nash. Chorney.

    Good news: Peckham. Reddox. Petry. Dubnyk. Wild.

    Dennis is right — scouts deserve praise. In a bit of role reversal here with Dennis, though, I’m not sure if Lowe deserves praise, unless he can really spot the guys who can spot hockey talent. Perhaps he can.

    Someone sure as hell is doing a good job scouting these days.

    A lot of these guys come from Ontario area, so perhaps it’s the Oilers scout for that area, whoever it is, who has the sharp, sharp eye.

    Oilers pro scouting is also strong, with picks up of Smid and Nilsson.

    P.S.

    If the draft were held today, where would Gagner go?

    Would Turris go above him?

    I doubt it.

  21. doritogrande says:

    “Someone sure as hell is doing a good job scouting these days.”

    And it sure as hell isn’t our Euro staff. We have to play to our strengths here, and avoid Kenta whispering into KP’s ear so freaking often. Omark may be coming over, but I haven’t heard anything regarding Quist. Johansson and Almtorp are borderline AHLers, Kyntar has “flyer pick” written all over him, and I won’t even get into Rita or Salmaleinen.

    Let’s stick to what we know. Future Collegians and CHL players.

  22. dstaples says:

    Doritogrande: Kenta might get credit for Greb, who was playing in Russia when trade was made.

    But Oil could have known about Greb from NHL pro hockey days, too.

  23. Bruce says:

    Do you suppose Kenta might have put in a good word for this Bobby Nilsson character?

  24. Bruce says:

    Idle thought: any chance that Bobby Nilsson is named after Lowetide’s poster boy from yesterday, Bobby Hull? Nilsson Sr. and Hull Sr. won an Avco Cup together in 1977-78, Hull’s last full season and Kent’s first in North America.

  25. doritogrande says:

    dStaples:

    I’m going to go with someone “saw him good” trying to figure out what do do with Mikhnov when he went back to Yaroslavl.

    That, and yes, his previous experience in North America.

    bruce:

    Couldn’t be. haha.

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    2007-08 All-Ivy

    First Team
    F – *Lee Jubinville, Jr., Princeton
    F – Nick Johnson, Sr., Dartmouth
    F – Sean Backman, So., Yale
    D – *Mike Moore, Sr., Princeton
    D – Sean Hurley, Sr., Brown
    G – Kyle Richter, So., Harvard

    Second Team
    F – Colin Greening, So., Cornell
    F – Brett Wilson, Jr., Princeton
    F – Riley Nash, Fr., Cornell
    F – Mike Taylor, Sr., Harvard
    D – Evan Stephens, Fr., Dartmouth
    D – Dave MacDonald, Sr., Harvard
    G – Zane Kalemba, So., Princeton

    Player of the Year
    Lee Jubinville, Jr., Princeton

    Rookie of the Year
    Riley Nash, Fr., Cornell

    Of note – Jubinville is an Edmonite

  27. Lord Bob says:

    Add me to those that think the sooner Nash leaves Cornell for a superior level of competition (be it in the CHL or, if necessary, a better NCAA division), the better.

    Lots of guys can put up numbers and results against guys who have no future in the game. And while Nash’s rookie performance is impressive as heck, I won’t be sold until he sees him do it at a higher level.

  28. DMFB says:

    Yeah, he uses up a year of college eligibility, but who thinks he’s going to need all 4 years anyhow?

    I could be wrong, but I think when they say you lose a year of eligibility, it means you have to sit out a full year before you’re allowed to come back and play. (At least that’s how it’s gone down with a few people I know who transferred in other NCAA sports.)

  29. speeds says:

    How would transferring to another NCAA school be beneficial to Nash? By doing so he wouldn’t be able to play any games next year. Nash, and the Oilers, would be better off with Nash going to the WHL or AHL if he chooses to leave Cornell at all.

  30. godot10 says:

    Cornell sure hurt Joe Niewendyk.

  31. Lord Bob says:

    How would transferring to another NCAA school be beneficial to Nash? By doing so he wouldn’t be able to play any games next year

    I was operating under the assumption that dmfb corrected above when I wrote that. I don’t know crap about NCAA eligibility rules other than that they’re stupid and they’ll ban you if somebody waves a ten-dollar bill at you too vigorously.

    Cornell sure hurt Joe Niewendyk.

    You realise it’s the year 2008 now, right? Pretty sure Joe Nieuwendyk’s draft class was a couple years before Nash came up.

    Or was born.

    At any rate, a lot of mediocre programs have churned out some impressive graduates once in a while.

  32. Dennis says:

    Are there a lot of players who leave NCAA early and then head on to play major junior? Who’s the most successful and the most recent? Who are the success stories and who are the failures?

  33. Asiaoil says:

    Look if the kid went to an Ivy League school in the first place he’s no dummy and is obviously (and wisely IMHO) hedging his bet on becoming a successful pro athlete. Why in heaven’s name would you turn down an Ivy League scholarship worth at least $100,000 per year to ride buses and make beer money in the CHL? You would have to be a fool to do that.

    Nash is fine right where he is and si obviously getting very good advice. The CHL is a shameful puppy mill that benefits a few owners who are happy to exploit the dreams of young men for their own financial gain. Nash and his family are obviously clued in enough to avoid that and good for them.

  34. Lord Bob says:

    The CHL is a shameful puppy mill that benefits a few owners who are happy to exploit the dreams of young men for their own financial gain.

    …did you just imply that if somebody goes to a school on an academic scholarship they must be a genius, and NCAA athletics doesn’t exploit young men for the sake of profit at all?

    Like, I just want to make sure I read this correctly. Basically, the CHL is evil because it pays their players and then gives them scholarships to Canadian schools, while the NCAA is good because it doesn’t pay their players and gives them scholarships to American schools. Want to makes ure I’ve got this nailed down.

  35. dawgbone says:

    Asia, the CHL hardly exploits these guys.

    Yes, if they want to play in the league they are essentially told where they are going to play. Other than that, these kids are rather well taken care of.

  36. Bohologo says:

    Asiaoil: Puppy Mill? So, to summarize your thoughts on the CHL (and apologies to Gonzo):

    “The CHL is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There’s also a negative side.”

    Is that about right? Seriously-I agree that anyone going to a real university at the NCAA level where they actually go to class demonstrates more-than-average savvy?

  37. Asiaoil says:

    Well dawg if shipping 16 year olds hundreds of miles from his home and family, making him ride buses instead of going to school, and paying him $20 a week to entertaining thousands is not expoloitation…..well I guess you must own a Nike shoe factory in China :) yeah most pimps are real sweet to their girls as well :( Child labor is alive and living in Canada – and 98% of CHL players have no hope of making a career out of it or fairly compensated for their work while they are doing it. The fact that this is the national “sport” is the only reason it’s overlooked.

  38. Lord Bob says:

    The correct number is $50 a week, plus all expenses (room, board, etc.). Don’t worry, you were only off by a factor of two and a half before you count the cost of living.

    Whereas, for an NCAA player, the correct number is $0 a week. And scholarships are strictly required to pay only for school costs.

    So yeah, the CHL is the exploitative one there.

  39. doritogrande says:

    Asiaoil,

    For every year CHL players play, they recieve a year of University free.

    Pretty good deal. Scholarship and 50$ versus Scholarship and 0$. Pretty sure Riley Nash is farther from his family (Brendan notwithstanding) at Cornell than he would be in the Dub.

  40. PunjabiOil says:

    The correct number is $50 a week, plus all expenses (room, board, etc.). Don’t worry, you were only off by a factor of two and a half before you count the cost of living.

    And what does $50 buy you these days?

    Room, board? Most of them live with other families (billets) – there’s no marginal benefit for the player in this – these kids would be receiving room, board, food, housing if they were living at home regardless.

    I’ve had friends who went to play junior hockey in other towns. It isn’t easy, and almost 95%+ of junior players end up sacrificing a big part of their life for no payoff. You take a hit in the social life department. The truth is, many people live with their parents for 18-22 years of age – you end up shedding years from that. Then, there’s the education factor – you end up with 20 year olds with no smarts from all the time they spent on focusing on hockey. That being said, to get to the NCAA, you have to play in some sort of junior hockey, so same scenario applies until 18.

    I agree with Asia – it’s more or less exploitation. The owners make a good return on their investment. In the last 10 years, there have been so many ownerships playing the ”Stadium Game” – and they’ve been successful in obtaining modern day, luxurious arenas with more luxury suites.

    So yes – the owners benefit – make money off kids chasing their dream – and only a few of the bundle end up receiving the payoff. I think there is room for fairness/equity in this.

  41. kiwihockeyfan says:

    Now lets look at what percentage of players from the CHL go on to University, and i think you’ll find its a pretty dismal percentage (<20% i believe). Also, you get one year of scholarship for each year of hockey, so for most of the players that doesn’t mean 4 years. at least at the US college level they committ to you for 4 years of scholarship and since most people who play at either level don’t go onto make a living at it, I would suggest for most people its better to get 4 years of college education vs 20% of the CHL players getting 2-3 years of tuition coverage. these figures might be a little out dated, but that was about what it was when i finished my time in the states (football, not hockey scholarship – and don’t get me started on what classes my football mates were taking, lots of “communications majors”)

  42. choppystride says:

    you can compare Nash’s stats favourably with the Habs Higgins.

    I have to disagree on this point.

    Higgins outscored his nearest teammate by a mile, all the while playing on a Yale team that was a bottom feeder.

    I can certainly understand the excitement surrounding Nash, given how good his numbers look compared to the recent numerous busts we had who toiled as forwards in the NCAA. But then none of those guys got to play in the ECAC neither…

    Personally, I think Nash had a decent year. Par for course, no more, no less.

    Right now, just looking at his numbers, I don’t see the dominance to suggest that he’s anywhere near being AHL material. In fact, he looks like someone who’ll need 3-4 years of college hockey.

    For next season, I would like to see him hit the following markers:

    1) get an WJC invite from hockey canada
    2) hit 1.4+ PPG and be his team’s scoring leader (as Higgins and Stempniak) did.

  43. Dennis says:

    Thanks for that Choppy. Unless I read otherwise, I imagine you put this in a much better context than I did.

  44. Asiaoil says:

    I’ve always thought that kids should stay at home and play in the equivalent of the AJHL until they turn 18. Then when they grduate from high school they can either go to college and play hockey on scholarship (NCAA model) or play in an adult version of the CHL. In fact the minor league feeder system for the NHL should be a CHL with adult players 18-22 years old. It would be a heck of a league – better than the existing CHL and would avoid all the bullshit rules with guys like Sam Gagne. However, you would have to pay these guys fair dollar and thats why the establishment keeps the existing system alive. Much more profitable to exploit elite kids like Crosby and pay the supporting cast peanuts.

  45. PunjabiOil says:

    I’ve put a column up on Nash on my blog.

    Basically, Nash should be posting ”well north of 1 PPG” next year.

  46. DBO says:

    Off topic, but just looking at season stats, and what is killing me is that even with our injuries, and our youth we have outscored a bunch of good teams:
    Rangers and boston in the east playoffs, and San jose, Minnesota, Vancouver and Anaheim in the West. What would have happened if MacT would have given more of a shot to Garon early in the year? Take away half of the games Rollie played, and put Garon at .500 for those games and we have 3 more wins. Nothing huge, but this gives me hope for next year that we can actually compete. not saying we make the playoffs, but we’ll be in every game.

    As for Nash. Give him a full year in the AHL against men as the second line centre behind Schremp or Pouliot. Give him a chance to grow a bit, and play in the World Juniors and go from there.

  47. Bank Shot says:

    Choppystride: I think you are selling the ECAC short. Here are some ECAC alumni and their respective rookie seasons.

    ERIK COLE(18)
    34-11-20-31 3rd in scoring

    CHRIS CLARK(18)
    32-12-11-23 10th in team scoring

    TODD WHITE(18)
    33-10-11-21 7th in scoring

    CRAIG CONROY(18)
    39-8-22-30 10th in scoring

    TODD MARCHANT(18)
    33-20-12-32 6th in scoring

    ANDY MCDONALD(19)
    33-9-10-19 9th in scoring

    JEFF HALPERN(19)
    30-3-11-14 6th in scoring

    The Life of Riley has matched up well with all of those players thus far. Perhaps expectations are getting a little high (possibly fueled by myself at times ;p), but Nash’s season has been way beyond “decent”.

    I also don’t need to see him be pushed into the AHL next year, but that is because I think his development will be just fine in college. Most of the Ivy League alumni don’t appear to have been stunted, and they are well rounded players as a rule(Except for Andy).

    You’re right that he needs to progress next year, as pretty much all guys that end up as impact NHLers show progression from year to year as prospects. Here’s hoping he does just that.

  48. dawgbone says:

    Asia, comparing it to child labour and pimping? Care to join everyone in an adult conversation?

    Firstly, no one forces these kids to go anywhere. They make a choice to go play in the CHL. They have the option to do junior hockey and go to the NCAA.

    Most families with kids at 16-19 years old are paying $800+ a year to play hockey. Some are paying in the $5000+ range. That’s just for the privelage of playing our winter national sport. These kids to not pay a cent to play.

    And PJO, maybe your friends should have taken a step back and thought about what they are doing.

    I’ve also had friends go the CHL route and by the time they were done their OHL careers at 19, they were so much farther ahead in terms of maturity and how to handle themselves that when they hit university they hardly ran into any of the problems typical freshmen ran into.

    Yes the schedule is demanding. At the same time there are quality programs who do an insane amount of work on that aspect. They take the education very seriously.

    Conversely, I’ve also had several friends go down to the States on Scholarships at 18 years old and end their 4 years with worthless degrees. The reason? Their hockey/basketball/football coach needed them to maintain a certain average to keep their scholarships so their courseload was rather weak. After 4 years in the US, they had to spend another 4 years in Canada to make up for it.

    Does that mean whoever goes down to the states is going to be screwed? Of course not. It’s all about the decisions you make and the opportunities that you make for yourself.

    There are no promises in the CHL and to be realistic, if you are 17 and aren’t an impact player, you have to realize that your chances at making the NHL are slim to none, so you better make sure you are getting maximum value out of the experience (and that includes your education).

  49. Dennis says:

    Choppy Stride: I guess you were wrong, son;) Seriously, back to you as Bank Shot has challenged you:)

  50. Asiaoil says:

    Well dawg if you think paying 16 year olds $50 bucks a week to abuse their bodies so that two bit owners can fill their stands and pockets – we wont be having beer any time soon. I’m an educator in an NCAA institution and and have lots of scholarship athletes in my classes – raising decent young men is a large part of what we do. You overstate the benefits of the CHL massively and totally discount the life opportunities these kids miss and/or give up. As far as kids having their own choice – yeah the abusers favorite line. The CHL is an outdated social abomination….adult enough for you.

  51. Slipper says:

    Are these kids forced to play, or held against their will or something?

    Those are some harsh fucking words AO.

    “The abusers favourite line…”

    Holy shit.

  52. Boondock says:

    I was one of the few that liked that Nash deal right away as I was hoping for Nash at #15 already. (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3169215704443931360&postID=4988545954380022444 ;)

    If leaving a prospect in the AHL is seen as a better option than playing fourth line minutes in the NHL, I don’t see how Nash is being hurt by playing lots at Cornell instead of playing a lesser role at a bigger name university.

    I also couldn’t disagree more with AO’s comments on the CHL. I’m not sure why Junior ‘A’ hockey somehow escaped his little tirade, but he misses some pretty key points. First of all, 99% of players in the BCHL are billeted. Except unlike WHL teams, they don’t get a stipend every month.

    And what about the majority of junior A players that don’t get full rides, AO? They are left at 21 with no scholarship oppurtunities and no cash. Playing junior A far from guarantees any kind of scholarship.

  53. Denny says:

    Another note on the NCAA or CHL route…

    I believe the rule for 1 year of CHL played 1 year of university paid for, correct me if I’m wrong, is voided once you sign an NHL contract.

    This then can be an interesting choice for a player on deciding which route to take if he has career aspirations past hockey, or depending on his ability to continue onto professional hockey.

  54. dstaples says:

    AsiaOil

    Aren’t you also overstating the benefits of the NCAA scholarship sports?

    How often have we heard of students who play on scholarship and barely attend classes? The term “sports factory” comes to mind.

    You’re dealing in crude cliches about Major Junior hockey, I believe. Twenty or 30 years ago, much of what you say about major junior was true, but not so much anymore.

    And while many major junior kids don’t go on to college, it’s also true not every is cut out for university life.

    Finally, talented kids understand all the options these days. They know a U.S. college scholarship is a possiblity. It’s no secret. So if they — and their parents — make an informed choice of major junior over U.S. college hockey, my inclination is to respect their choice.

    As for Nash, why would he sit out a a year transfer away from a perfeclty good hockey school?

    As for going back to junior hockey, it certainly worked for Mike Comrie, in that it put him in the position of becoming a free agent, but I believe that loophole has been closed.

    Did it hurt Comrie’s development as a player? Maybe he would have been more adult as a person and mature as a player if he had stayed in school. Three or four years of college hockey seems to be a great benefit to most players, and it will be the same for Nash.

    He should likely stick with what is working, stay in school, get an education in case hockey doesn’t work out, and continue to develop.

  55. choppystride says:

    Bank Shot: the guys you showed are the ones who made it, but where are the ones who didn’t? And how many would that be?

    While Nash’s 0.9 PPG is amongst the higher ones in recent ECAC history, does this signal a high probability future impact NHLer?

    Personally, I think all it shows is that he’s on track to have a shot at being an NHLer, considering that, historically speaking, it’s hard to justify that an 0.9 PPG 18 year old ECAC season is a precursor to a high impact NHL career. The ECAC really does not have a good track record in producing these types of NHLers, period.

    Take a look at the following, which is a list of the highest PPG’s for 18 year olds (according to hockeydb.com, where age is given) in the ECAC from the 1990/91 to the 2006/07 seasons. I know that a lot of context is missing, but personally, I don’t think that it tells you too much about Nash’s NHL future other than that he’s not behind the 8-ball:

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYMsJ0BHIEfkLtagj_7lURg

    PS: some of the 18 year olds you listed played for the deep and powerful Clarkson teams of the 1990′s. I doubt that they had as big a role as Nash got this year with Cornell, which is a good team but not a powerhouse – an ideal situation for a youngster to perform.

  56. dstaples says:

    I’m hitting that link Choppystride, but nothing is coming up. Anyone else getting it?

  57. Bruce says:

    And while many major junior kids don’t go on to college, it’s also true not every is cut out for university life.

    Looking at this equation from the other side, a majority of players on the Golden Bears are WHL grads, many of whom are attending university on the 1:1 years of service/scholarship arrangement. Many stay for 4 or 5 years so perhaps those scholarship arrangements change in time — I’m not an insider, but I’m fairly certain many of those fellows are pursuing their hockey career and their education on the CHL’s dime.

    19 of 29 roster players listed on Friday’s program list their previous team in the WHL, 17 of 27 for the opposing Huskies. That doesn’t include guys like Dylan Stanley and Ben Kilgour, both of whom played several years for Tri-City before going to the ECHL (“previous team”) before returning to school. No doubt many WHL grads do not take advantage of the program, but it is clear that some do.

    [begin rant] Of course the NCAA with its laughable holier-than-thou attitude about “professionalism”, is not an option for these boys; they would have had to make that decision before the age of majority. There’s a few Tier Two or junior college grads in the CIS, but the talent pools are largely independent. The CIS generally has older, more experienced players who are not on the NHL track, but my read is the calibre of play is pretty equivalent. Unfortunately the great divide (see “holier-than-thou”, above) is such that we can’t expect meaningful competition such as a series between the respective national champions anytime soon. Too bad, because it would raise interest in the college game on both sides of the border. [end rant]

  58. Asiaoil says:

    Staples – I’ll give you an example from my own institution. Our football team is BCS calibre which is more money than any little CHL team can dream about. Our senior quarterback this spring has some issues “taking care of business” and is currently suspended from the team. This decision has enormous potential financial implications for the program (playing in a BCS bowl game is worth $7-$8 million) but it is done.

    The athletes are students first and if a program does not cut mustard in terms of grduating athletes or academic performance – scholarships are cut by the NCAA and suspensions are possible. Rules are harshly enforced. Think a CHL team would suspend their star player for not doing his homework? Yeah right.

    The NCAA system is far from perfect but at least it gives most of the young men who come through our doors an opportunity for an education that will serve them well for the rest of their lives. They are also exposed to more than buses and hockey rinks going to school at some of the finest universities in the world. They get an education and contacts they can use for the rest of their lives.

    In comparison the CHL is pro hockey that gets away with paying their players less than peanuts selling the dream of playing in the NHL. It financially exploits kids (that’s what 16 and 17 year old boys are). What else would you call paying a 16 year old $50 a week to work full-time for your profitable company….a favor? It’s not a cliche….it’s disgusting and is a social dinosaur that only exists because it’s Canada and it’s hockey.

  59. doritogrande says:

    Asia,

    It’s a fucking hockey game. These kids are doing it because they want to. Do you think getting paid or not has any implication?

    They’ve made a choice to play hockey, and can leave at any time.

  60. doritogrande says:

    “it’s disgusting and is a social dinosaur that only exists because it’s Canada”

    And what about your 8 American teams? I suppose they’re all good-spirited-never-damage-a-kid-in-their-team-history clubs?

  61. heed says:

    playing in a BCS bowl game is worth $7-$8 million

    how much do the players receive of this windfall?

    It financially exploits kids

    thanks for answering my question.

    ps get off your high horse. i have a friend who went to one of your illustrious “ncaa” schools on a baseball scholarship. he told me that it prepared him perfectly to return to grade 10 in a canadian high school.

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