Have Gun, Will Travel

This is Reggie Leach. The Riverton Rifle. The white skates are courtesy that crazy bastard Charles Finley. The two players behind Leach in the photo are Gerry Pinder, who was a legendary Saskatoon Blade and then played for the Seals before heading to the WHA, and Norm Ferguson who was once a runner-up in the Calder Voting (Danny Grant won it that year).

The Edmonton Oilers need a shooter. A sniper. Someone who can shoot the damn puck from anywhere and be dangerous.

The shots per game leaders this past season in the NHL are all guys like Ovechkin and Zetterberg and they aren’t going anywhere.

The free agents (Hossa, Rolston) aren’t coming here either.

We’ve talked about Jokinen and Blake and Cammalleri all season, but I think there’s another guy out there who might fit the bill and based on his team’s post-season may be available.

Jonathan Cheechoo.

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  1. PunjabiOil says:

    Yup. Always liked Jonathan Cheechoo. He’s really struggled this year, but he had a hernia surgery last summer. His contract is also very livable.

    Stoll + Torres for Cheechoo?

    It will be interesting going forward if Horcoff can acquire the Sniper status.

  2. Quain says:

    Horcoff with Hemsky is a deadly shooting combination, but that’s less Horcoff being a shooter and more him knowing exactly how to play with Hemsky. I don’t think I could be more excited to see the Hemsky to Horcoff one-timer parade back in action than I am now.

    Cheechoo would be a very nice pickup. That’s really all there is to say there.

  3. jon k says:

    To be honest I don’t think Cheechoo would be a good fit on this team at all, especially with an aim to find someone for Hemsky’s LW.

    For starters, he’s slower than dirt and wouldn’t be able to keep pace as well as even Penner.

    Secondly, both his intensity and confidence have severely dropped off since the mid-point of last season. He managed to do reasonably well overall, but has looked like dead weight this season.

    Lastly, I don’t like the guy. He’s a whiner and a punk. :)

    There are a few reasons to like him as an option however.

    He can play on the half boards opposite Hemsky on the PP which might work out.

    He might fit in on a line with Gagner.

    His salary is workable for the next 3 seasons (3.5 per).

    He shoots a lot. 220 this season marked a huge drop for him, partially due to decreased icetime I believe. Probably still could have scored 30 in a poor season if he managed closer to his mean, say 275 shots.

    All that being said, I can’t see the Oilers trading with the Sharks. There’s a perception that the Sharks org. is an arrogant one and they tend to deal with teams out East.

  4. Matt says:

    Gerry Pinder is the most intense guy I played golf with in my life (if memory serves, he missed a putt on the 8th hole, and threw his putter at his caddy… who was his son… who was about 9 years old). I have no doubt he was a hell of a hockey player.

  5. Schitzo says:

    Cheech is a RW, is he not? Maybe Penner-Gagner-Cheechoo?

    Which I guess leaves
    Glencross-Horc-Hemsky
    Nilsson-Cogs-Pisani
    Moreau-Broziak-Storts

    Or some such combination?

  6. Jonathan says:

    //He can play on the half boards opposite Hemsky on the PP which might work out.//

    I was wondering if Cheechoo might be a decent powerplay option as well, so I went and dug up his stats from BehindtheNet for 5-on-4 play. I could only find these for the last two years, but here goes.

    PP +/-ON/60:
    2007-08: 5.47
    2006-07: 7.63
    Avg: 6.55

    This compares with Edmonton players here: http://coppernblue.blogspot.com/2008/04/power-play-2007-08.html

    However, San Jose’s powerplay is far more effective than Edmonton’s (18.7% and 22.4& vs. 16.6%). Thus, if we alter Cheechoo’s numbers for a sub-standard powerplay (not taking into account possible powerplay improvement from adding Cheechoo), we get these numbers:

    PP +/-ON/60:
    2007-08 4.856
    2006-07 5.654
    Avg: 5.256

    Taking the average, he’s behind only Hemsky and Penner. And that’s with a lot of negative assumptions in the data.

  7. grease trap says:

    Do you really throw Gx on a second line?

  8. Bruce says:

    Nice skates.

    Norm Ferguson wound up his pro career with the WHA Oilers. It was 1977-78, my first year as a season ticket holder. Ferguson was a nice shooter, scoring 26-21-47 in 71 GP, but something of a perimeter player by then, just 2 PiM that year. In fact he recorded just 45 PiM in 436 WHA games, a remarkably low number for the Rebel League. Oddly, in his second last season (with San Diego Mariners), Ferguson played 77 games, recording 39-32-71 and exactly 5 PiM. That’s not a number you see in that column every day.

  9. Lord Bob says:

    I like Glencross but keep him as far away from Horcoff and Hemsky as possible while still having them on the same team.

    If Cheechoo can’t go with 10 and 83, there’s no point in having him. I’m not convinced that 12-13-89 need to be messed with, and having him below the second line is just a waste of assets.

  10. Schitzo says:

    //Do you really throw Gx on a second line?//

    If you’re referring to my line combos, I think he would end up on the first line :-\

    Not sure of a better way to do it, though. If you play Nilsson on the first line, Cogs has no friend to play with. Plus you’d never get a shot on net.
    We know Torres sucks with Horc and Hemmer. Moreau? Schremp? Jacques?

  11. Schitzo says:

    Unless you play Nilsson-Gagner-Cheechoo and let those two feed him sweet passes all night long. Cogs ends up with 14-34?

  12. Lowetide says:

    Given my choice of outcome:

    Horcoff-Penner-Hemsky
    Gagner-Nilsson-Cheechoo
    Cogliano-Torres-Pisani
    Brodziak-Glencross-Pouliot
    Jacques-Stortini

    Which would mean Stoll and Moreau are dealt. Pitkanen of course would be long gone in the Cheechoo deal.

  13. Schitzo says:

    Lowetide:

    Only problem with hoping to use Pitkanen to land Cheechoo – after the inevitable first round exit, do you really think the Sharks are looking for another play with questionable heart?

  14. Ducey says:

    I am always wary of guys who play with superstars.

    Cheechoo had the big 05/06 where he led the league in scoring. Most of this was without Thornton who played just 23 games with SJ that year. I guess Cheechoo did do a lot of his scoring on his own that year.

    Since then his production has dropped to 69 pts/ 76 GP in 06/07 and then to a brutal 37 pts in 69 games this year.

    A big name, but I would want someone with wheels to keep up with Hemmer and Horc. Penner hopefully will come in trimmer next year and fit this role better.

    I am interested as to why the Oil need a Sniper? They were in the top half of the league in scoring and can be expected to do better with a full year of Horc, Pisani, Souray and the further development of the youngin’s. The Goals Against is what killed them.

    Didn’t we here this need for sniper before we got Lupal?

  15. K says:

    I would love to see him in an Oilers jersey. I have family in Moose Factory where he was born. There are Sharks flags and jerseys lined up everywhere that far north. Their community rink is all Sharked out.

  16. jon k says:

    Ducey: If I recall correctly, Cheechoo scored at nearly a 2.5 point per game pace for those games that Thornton was on the Sharks that season.

  17. doritogrande says:

    “The Edmonton Oilers need a shooter. A sniper. Someone who can shoot the damn puck from anywhere and be dangerous.”

    Ales Hemsky.

    Fuck this kid looks dangerous when he’s got time and space. He may not be 50-goal material, but if he had Horcoff for a full season, and if Penner had brought it every game, I see no reason to believe Hemmer couldn’t have had 30 this year.

    If you really must add someone for the top-6 role, go all out for Jeff Carter. I don’t think it’s necessary, but if you want to add to our forwards, he’s my guy.

  18. Sean says:

    I used to want Hossa but he hasnt looked good yet for Pittsburgh and would cost waaay too much as a UFA. I’d be in for Cheech as the plan B behind Kovalchuk. I think he just might as for a trade.

  19. Mr DeBakey says:

    I see that whilst I was chasing some kids off of my lawn, Bruce started the history lesson.

    In fact, both Norm Ferguson & Gerry Pinder finished their careers with the Oilers. Pinder had earlier spent soem time on the National Team. And, if memory serves, he was also the between period analyst on Oiler telecasts for a few years.

    As for Cheechoo
    A very good idea
    I’m not sure I like it though.

    I wouldn’t make it part of a Pitkanen deal – either a Torres or Stoll package

  20. Steve says:

    Pitkanen’s the only clear top-pairing defenseman that the Oilers have (and I’m stretching the definition of “clear top-pairing defenseman”, too). If we lose him, we’d better replace him with a pretty good defenseman, not with Jonathan Cheechoo.

    (If we’re replacing some combination of Stoll, Moreau, and Torres with Cheechoo, that’s nother matter.)

  21. jon k says:

    The funny thing is, SJ could use players like Stoll and Moreau.

    Problem for them would be the $$$ those two would cost. Hell, it should be a problem for us as well.

  22. Dennis says:

    Just throwing this out there but Hossa had 12 SOG in the first two games vs Ott before he broke out with a three point game in G3.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way he’s currently playing.

    As for Cheechoo, I think I remember his contract being very affordable but when do we start talking about the fact that his best days are behind him because injuries are killing his effectiveness.

  23. Jake says:

    Ducey & Jon K: Thornton played 23 games with Boston that year, not with SJ (58 with the Sharks). Thornton’s first game with the Sharks was Dec. 2, Cheechoo had 7-8-15 in 24 GP before the trade, 49-29-78 in 58 GP after. So not quite 2.5 PPG ;)

  24. DBO says:

    what do people think of this idea for a sniper:

    Alfredsson.
    He has a reasonable contract, is a consistent (albeit not always healthy) 35 to 40 goal scorer. and ottawa could use a puck moving defenseman like pitkanen if they let redden walk, and if they go out in 4 straight they might be inclined to shake up their roster and go young. Would a Torres and Pitkanen and a pick/prospect get you Alfie?

  25. Jonathan says:

    //Would a Torres and Pitkanen and a pick/prospect get you Alfie?//

    From TSN.ca, today:
    “If there’s one single player Murray knows he doesn’t have to think about, it’s Daniel Alfredsson. The 35-year-old team captain once again showed why he’s one of the NHL’s premier leaders, coming back from injury way before schedule for Game 3 on Monday night and while he would never admit it, playing basically at 50 per cent capacity.

    ”Never seen anything like it before in all my years,” said Murray.”

    My guess- not as long as Bryan Murray is GM.

  26. jon k says:

    Jake: Why would I need facts when I can just reference my own boastful rhetoric from my fantasy hockey pool that year? ;)

    “Since I picked up Cheechoo he’s got like a million billion points! Haw haw haw! Etc.”

  27. Showerhead says:

    Dennis, regarding Cheechoo:

    I’ll grant your point, but at least then a trade package involving Jarret Stoll would be a thematically appropriate move. And really, isn’t that what wins hockey games?

  28. Ribs says:

    And just like that, Cheechoo snipes one in to tie it up…

  29. Stuart van says:

    Cheechoo had 9 goals in his rookie season as a 22 year old (2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL 66 9 7 16). Cogliano potted 18 as a 20 year old rookie. Maybe, like our puck moving defenseman last year (Gilbert), we have someone in our own organization that can step up and play the role, so we don’t have to trade away valuable assets and break the bank.

    Cogs had 12 goals his rookie year in the NCAA and doubled that to 24 a year later (in only 38 games). He’s got more upside potential.

    With Horc back, expect more goals from both Horc and Penner. Plus we’ve got Souray returning, and maybe Torres and Stoll will return to form. Not sure we need to chase that pedigree sniper.

  30. Devin says:

    Dennis – Good call on Hossa. 6 pts in 3 games and has been absolutely robbed of 2 or 3 goals thus far. The luck will turn there, and otherwise he’s playing his usual dominant game. The guy isn’t as explosive as Crosby or Malkin, but who the hell is? Hossa is far better than either of those two at stealing pucks on the backcheck and saved a goal last night that way. I can’t understand people’s criticisms of Hossa, he’s been excellent for PIT and they should do everything they can to fit him into that roster going forward.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Devin: I really haven’t seen people being critical of Hossa. I do think it’s an extreme long shot he’d sign here.

  32. Devin says:

    LT – no I meant PIT should do whatever they can to re-sign him. I know full well he wouldn’t sign in EDM, and EDM doesn’t have the cap space either way.

    If I’m Shero I consider dealing Ryan Whitney (4M), and try to get rid of Sydor (2.5M) while re-upping Eaton (2M) and Orpik (2.5M). That would clear enough cap space for them to keep Malone (3.5M), Fleury (3M), Hossa (8M say) and re-sign Malkin (9M for 09-10->). About 56M or so for 09-10, under 52M for 08-09. If it’s at all doable they have to try.

  33. Bruce says:

    In fact, both Norm Ferguson & Gerry Pinder finished their careers with the Oilers.

    By golly, you’re right, Mr. D. Can’t believe I forgot about Pinder’s brief time here (5 GP in that same 1977-78 season).

    Pinder had earlier spent soem time on the National Team.

    Yeah, he was a member of Father David Bauer’s team that won the bronze medal at the Grenoble Olympics in ’68. That was a hell of a club, beat the Czechoslovaks but couldn’t handle the Big Red Machine.

  34. doritogrande says:

    “My guess- not as long as Bryan Murray is GM.”

    Sens out in 4? Murray out the door?

    I can rhyme, yo. And I can prophesize.

  35. HBomb says:

    If not Alfredsson, maybe one of Spezza or Heatley’s available?

    Dare to dream, but Heatley on LW with Horcoff and Hemsky is the kind of thing I could get onside with.

    Odds are Spezza’s the guy who gets “soft-shopped” this summer, although I don’t think the Sens are going to blow it up to the extent they trade the big three.

    They’ll need something to replace Redden on the back-end (RFA offer for a guy like Weber perhaps?), some more grit at forward would be nice (Gary Roberts for one season?), and they’ll have to do something about the goaltending (here’s where the blockbuster potential is….maybe they do a big deal involving Spezza to Vancouver for Luongo if Roberto begs off and wants to go elsewhere?)

  36. godot10 says:

    Spezza and Heatley and Redden are three tin men.

    Redden has been awful for two seasons now.

    Spezza doesn’t compete for the puck in the corners. He is all fancy passes. He vanishes when the game gets difficult and physical. When the game means nothing, he is your man.

    Heatley has acquired all of Spezza’s bad habits, (although he might be redeemable in the right locker room). I’d still be leery of having him around impressionable youngsters. Hossa is a far more complete player.

    Spezza and Heatley’s play went downhill after they signed their big contracts.

    The only Senators worth having are Alfredsson, Fisher, Vermette, Kelly, Volchenkov, and well, Phillips.

    Spezza also did not call out (his friend Ray) Emery when he was goofing off in practice.

  37. Jonathan says:

    //Spezza also did not call out (his friend Ray) Emery when he was goofing off in practice.//

    Did anybody? Last I checked, the Senators had gassed their old goalie coach and brough on Emery’s personal tutor (Eli Wilson, is that his name?) to be their goalie coach. That was this season.

    Call Spezza gutless all you want, but I have trouble blaming him for not dealing with a player the organization has pandered to.

    // Spezza doesn’t compete for the puck in the corners. He is all fancy passes. He vanishes when the game gets difficult and physical. When the game means nothing, he is your man.//

    He also has a PPG average in his playoff career. I have a hard time saying that he doesn’t show up in tough games, because that scoring percentage would have led our beloved 05-06 finalist team.

    //Heatley has acquired all of Spezza’s bad habits, (although he might be redeemable in the right locker room). I’d still be leery of having him around impressionable youngsters. Hossa is a far more complete player.//

    I agree that Hossa is a much more complete player, but as for Heatley picking up Spezza’s bad habits- please. Heatley sounded like a complete player in ATL only because Kovalchuk was the comparison. As for his bad habits, anyone who drives his sports car as fast as Heatley does inside city limits can probably pick those up on his own.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Gerry had two brothers who played, Herb and Tom. He signed with the Oilers when the San Diego Mariners folded btw.

    I wish someone would write a book about the Saskatoon Blades. They’ve never won enough to get credit for the talent they’ve had on that team, from Keith Magnuson and Bobby Schmautz in 64-65 all down the line.

  39. Ringo says:

    The first guy on the shots leaders list that I thought might be available in the Oiler’s shopping range (other than Jason Blake and his 4.5% shooting percentage) was Marco Sturm. He’s a consistent shooter and he has wheels. Boston’s already got Savard, Bergeron, Kessel, Krejci, Murray, Kobasew, Schaeffer…Is there a fit there?

  40. godot10 says:

    //Call Spezza gutless all you want, but I have trouble blaming him for not dealing with a player the organization has pandered to.//

    The Senators gave Spezza $7 million for 7. That means you had better call out one of your best buds for screwing up in practice.

    Not doing so is just another example of what a tin man he is.

  41. heed says:

    my pipe dream…dustin brown. that is all.

  42. doritogrande says:

    “They’ll need something to replace Redden on the back-end (RFA offer for a guy like Weber perhaps?), some more grit at forward would be nice (Gary Roberts for one season?), and they’ll have to do something about the goaltending (here’s where the blockbuster potential is….maybe they do a big deal involving Spezza to Vancouver for Luongo if Roberto begs off and wants to go elsewhere?)”

    I think if there’s an RFA offer for Ottawa, or any team, to be had, it’s for Carter. That being said, Carter would look damn good as the 2-line C in Ottawa with Vermette as his triggerman. They can replace Redden on the cheap (Brian Lee looks like a keeper) and throw their efforts into a big-name RFA offer sheet. Philly’s ripe for the picking after they tied their hopes to Briere and Richards for at least the next 8 years.

  43. Alice says:

    Remind me again which of Penner/Horc/Hemsky/Gagner/Cogs/Nilsson aren’t soon 30G men?

    I’m with the GA posters on this one, but for kicks that Sturm fellow is +11

  44. CrazyCoach says:

    Lowetide I love the picture of the the white skates. The trainers on that team said those skates were a pain in the ass because Finley wanted them white every game, which meant that the trainers had to re-paint them each and every single game. The players said that because of all the paint the skates weighed a ton and of course they got ribbed by other teams continuously.

    Here’s a song for all the Cheechoo lovers (Sung to the tune of the Police’s “Roxanne”)
    Cheechoo, you don’t have to fight.
    Cheechoo, you just have to score every night!
    (Cheechoo) Turn on the red light
    (Cheechoo) Turn on the red light!
    (Cheechoo) Turn on the red light!

    Ok that sucked.

    Cheechoo actually has an Alberta connection. His dad, Mervyn, and his uncle, Steve, both attended college in Lac La Biche in the mid 80′s, and played for the Goodfish Lake Flames.

  45. Oilman says:

    LT – maybe tomorrow you could write something about how the Oilers could use Michalek?;o)

  46. heed says:

    i’m not sold on cheechoo coming to edmonton. i think the pressure put on him in this market as a member of the first nations might be a little too much for a young man to have to live up to. i’m almost postive that off ice committments would probably end up sinking this guy.

  47. Darryl says:

    //// I wish someone would write a book about the Saskatoon Blades. They’ve never won enough to get credit for the talent they’ve had on that team, from Keith Magnuson and Bobby Schmautz in 64-65 all down the line \\\

    Lt: I’ve got one. It was printed in something like 1999 and details every one of their seasons up until then complete with stats and standings.

    I was like 13 when I read it so I don’t remember too much, just that there’s one floating around somewhere.

    I wish I knew what it was called, I couldn’t even guess where the damn thing is now though.

    By the way, great blog.

  48. doritogrande says:

    “Remind me again which of Penner/Horc/Hemsky/Gagner/Cogs/Nilsson aren’t soon 30G men?”

    That’d be Cogliano, and Nilsson. I don’t see either of them cracking 20 next season, and it’s going to be a stretch for me to ever see such a playmaker like Gagner pot more than 25 in a single campaign. He’ll have 70 assists though.

    If the Horpensky line was together for a full season with Penner in shape I see both Penner and Horcoff eclipsing that 30 goal total, with Hemsky coming damn close. If Cogliano takes the next step in his development path, he pots 25 next year also.

    I, like you don’t see the need to add to our top-6, or to our team at all for that matter. I’m young, so I don’t remember if we actually added anything to the likes of Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Coffey, Lowe, Fuhr to actually increase productivity. Didn’t we just let them grow as a giant group?

  49. doritogrande says:

    “That’d be Cogliano, and Nilsson. I don’t see either of them cracking 20 next season, and it’s going to be a stretch for me to ever see such a playmaker like Gagner pot more than 25 in a single campaign. He’ll have 70 assists though.”

    And by Cogliano, I mean Gagner. Stupid lack of brain.

  50. Bruce says:

    Heed: Pipe dream, for sure. There will probably be Dustin Brown rumours emanating from 29 NHL cities this summer. Or at least words to the effect that “we need somebody like … “

    23 years old, 33 goals, led the league by a country mile in hits (311), locked up until 2014 at an average cap hit of $3.2 MM … if you think he’s going anywhere you’re either dreaming about pipe, or smoking one.

  51. heed says:

    if you think he’s going anywhere you’re either dreaming about pipe, or smoking one.

    the first one sounds a little homo erotic but as i said it was a dream. i’m not really on the superstar scorer band wagon. i’d prefer a tough, physical forward good for 25 goals anyday. in other words, i want what torres is supposed to be.

  52. HBomb says:

    the first one sounds a little homo erotic but as i said it was a dream. i’m not really on the superstar scorer band wagon. i’d prefer a tough, physical forward good for 25 goals anyday. in other words, i want what torres is supposed to be.

    Erik Cole perhaps?

  53. Alice says:

    //i’d prefer a tough, physical forward good for 25 goals anyday. in other words, i want what torres is supposed to be.//

    Clark Gillies: 1st Line Enforcer.
    Too many goals (>30), though that’s probably what happens to you playing long minutes with Trottier. At 6’3 215, he must’ve been a monster for a hockey player back then

  54. heed says:

    Erik Cole perhaps?

    i have no interest in acquiring a player who enjoys turning his back to the opposition while going into the boards. yeah i said it.

  55. Bruce says:

    I always wondered what a pipe dream was. Sorry I found out.

  56. Dennis says:

    Not sure if I posted this anywhere else but in watching so much of these playoffs, Oilers are gonna need Good Raffi if they’re to get out of the first round in ’09.

    I know, I know, seems a bit silly I have the Oilers in next year’s playoffs already but I really think they’ll make the second season grade.

    Anyway, I liked and like the Kids Line as much as the next guy but I’m wondering if they won’t need a bit of grit to make their hay once the open spaces become a lot more contested.

    So this is where I think Raffi SHOULD come in.

  57. Stuart van says:

    Dennis is right. We need Torres (or a guy who can play that role). The kids didn’t exactly produce when the crunch hit in the last 5 games.

  58. godot10 says:

    //Not sure if I posted this anywhere else but in watching so much of these playoffs, Oilers are gonna need Good Raffi if they’re to get out of the first round in ’09.//

    I agree. I don’t think Torres is excess unless they go get another forward, or unless the light bulb goes on for Jacques.

    Torres affords a lot of options to add grit and team toughness, especially since the Oilers have pretty much decided philosophically that they are not going to deploy a goon.

  59. HBomb says:

    I agree. I don’t think Torres is excess unless they go get another forward, or unless the light bulb goes on for Jacques.

    Torres affords a lot of options to add grit and team toughness, especially since the Oilers have pretty much decided philosophically that they are not going to deploy a goon.

    If they don’t make a move, I think I’d be reasonably happy with this at forward to start the season:

    Penner Horcoff Hemsky
    Torres Gagner Nilsson
    Moreau Cogliano/Pouliot Pisani
    Glencross Brodziak Stortini

    Or some variation of that. As I’ve said before, I’m a LOT more reluctant to give up Torres than I am to give up Stoll….I somehow think Raffi could help 89-12 absolutely kill the soft parade.

  60. Jonathan says:

    //Penner Horcoff Hemsky
    Torres Gagner Nilsson
    Moreau Cogliano/Pouliot Pisani
    Glencross Brodziak Stortini//

    I love the idea of going completely veteran on the left wing. Just love it. It makes me sooo happy.

  61. Jonathan says:

    //Guy had a couple of 20 goal seasons without the benefit of PP time, he was invaluable in the ’06 run AND he did a good job keeping his head near water while playing the tough min in ’08.//

    The San Jose series in particular Torres was at his best- an indiscriminate wrecking ball with some scoring touch. Tough games seem to get him going, I haven’t looked it up, but he seems to perform really well against divisional rivals. I think his passion wanes when he’s playing less meaningful games.

  62. Dennis says:

    I think we need some toughness on a potential scoring line so no matter if it does click in for JFJ, it won’t happen on a scoring line.

    The last roster that was posted, I could roll with that as long as 78 was in and 46 was the 13th forward.

    If we used Torres with 89-12, that would mean a reuniting of the 18/13/34 line that played together earlier this season

    Does someone want to dig up the games they played and some of the numbers therein?

    just wanted to add something here; if Torres is dealt then I think it’s either that the offer was too good to refuse OR the Oilers feel he can’t get past some off-ice issues.

    Guy had a couple of 20 goal seasons without the benefit of PP time, he was invaluable in the ’06 run AND he did a good job keeping his head near water while playing the tough min in ’08.

    Oilers have to know how valuable he’s been and can be going forward. Of course, once upon a time the 14-16 tandem were looking to as secondary scoring and now that’s been usurped by the 12-89-13 troika so it might come down that the Oilers look at the 14-16 tandem as too expensive to play tough min along with the 10 line.

    Or maybe they’ll waive goodbye to 18 and just put 34 back with 14-16 and keep the 10-89 lines together and experiment with 46-78 as the RW component to the 20-51 tandem.

    MacT spoke about camp no longer being a play to experiment with line combos and the above suggestion would result in the least amount of upheaval possible.

  63. Showerhead says:

    Well, if a guaranteed 20 goals from a veteran is what you’re after, I suppose Cory Stillman is probably available. I doubt Edmonton is willing to jump through the salary moving hoops to sign such a player (nor will I be sad when they don’t) but just a thought.

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