What Can You Get For a Prospect in the Summertime?

We can all agree that the Oilers have a logjam at the level of development just below the NHL. The “waiting room” has been full since the lockout when Lowe’s plan was to gather assets and then dealing Pronger and Smyth for picks and prospects only increased the stockpile.

This can be a good thing but these assets need to be used in a timely fashion or they die on the vine. The Oilers have made decisions since the lockout on Jani Rita, Tony Salmelainen and Alexei Semenov then last summer they let Brad Winchester go and got nothing in return.

The Oilers have a plethora of restricted free agents this summer and it is possible some will not be offered contracts. Among the rfa’s who might be “on the bubble” are Danny Syvret, Troy Bodie, Jonas Almtorp, Glenn Fisher, Fredrik Johansson and TJ Kemp.

A level above that group are players like JF Jacques and Marc Pouliot, who might be offered contracts or traded depending upon how the organization moves forward. Rob Schremp is not an rfa but would have to be considered in that group.

I’ve been wondering about trade values for such a player. We can talk about Rob Schremp’s skills and future but he is an unproven talent and most organizations have players who are bubbling under and looking for an opportunity. For the Oilers to get good value for Schremp he’d need to be clearly better as an option. Although we don’t really know which organizations might be interested in him (I haven’t seen any of those “needs” lists by team yet) we can look back and see what NHL teams have been getting in return during the summer months.

Below is a list of prospects who have been traded for picks or talent since summer 2006. Please add any I’ve missed to the comments:

  • June 24, 2006: Minnesota traded their 1st rd pick and Patrick O’Sullivan to Los Angeles for Pavol Demitra.
  • June 24, 2006: Toronto trades Tuukka Rask to Boston for Andrew Raycroft.
  • August 17, 2006: Atlanta trades Karl Stewart, a 2nd rd pick and a conditional 4th rd pick to Anaheim for Vitaly Vishnevski.
  • June 22, 2007: Pittsburgh trades Chris Thorburn to Atlanta for a 3rd rd pick.
  • June 30, 2007: Minnesota trades Manny Fernandez to Boston for Petr Kalus and a 4th rd pick.
  • July 23, 2007: Boston trades Hannu Toivonen to St. Louis for Carl Soderberg.
  • September 11, 2007: New York Islanders trade Petteri Nokelainen to Boston for Ben Walter.

Now these are just the summer deals and I’ve excluded the blockbuster trades because it gets harder to identify value. From these deals, can we make any definitive statements? Probably not, but there are some interesting things. Minnesota’s dealing of Fernandez might be viewed as a bit of a salary dump so we need to factor that into the value received in return but the others appear to be hockey trades.

So, although Rob Schremp is shy of Patrick O’Sullivan’s resume could he be half of a cornerstone in a trade that gets Edmonton a player of a quality similar to Demitra? Could the Chris Thorburn value give us a clue as to the current value of JF Jacques?

Based on the extreme lack of picks the Oilers have in their arsenal currently I’d say that at least one of the prospects we’re familiar with (say Schremp, or Jacques) will be heading out of town at or near draft day. I’d place Schremp’s value at about 35-45 (mid-2nd round) and Jacques probably 50-75 (late 2nd to mid-3rd) and Pouliot probably has a little better value than either of them.

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25 Responses to "What Can You Get For a Prospect in the Summertime?"

  1. Jonathan says:

    //Although we don’t really know which organizations might be interested in him (I haven’t seen any of those “needs” lists by team yet)//

    The Islanders, Blues and Thrashers all have sub-standard powerplays and a dearth of offensive prospects.

  2. IceDragoon says:

    Good day, Lain.

    Just a point – Semenov played 11 games for the Oilers after the lockout. He was traded to the Florida Panthers on November 19, ’05 for a conditional ’06 draft pick. #133 – G/Bryan Pitton.

    Sorry, I can’t help you with your prospect valuations.
    ;-p

  3. HBomb says:

    The Islanders, Blues and Thrashers all have sub-standard powerplays and a dearth of offensive prospects.

    Noting that the Blues and Islanders are two of Lowe’s “regular” trading partners, I see two possibilities here:

    - A straight prospect swap of Schremp for Tambellini, a guy Lowetide has mentioned before.

    - A “take on salary and firm up the blueline” move in the form of Schremp for Jay McKee.

    First scenario is more likely if they run into issues signing Glencross and need to add to the LW, and the second scenario only makes sense if Pitkanen gets moved out for high-end forward help.

    Perhaps the Leafs could be added to this mix – maybe Schremp is an adequate chip going the other way if they want to shed Kubina and the Oilers can’t get Pitkanen done?

    Just thinkin’ aloud here, throwing out three names that have been discussed on the Oilogosphere before.

    Bet the house that Schremp gets dealt, one way or another…..I think they keep Pouliot, and Jacques is a coin-flip (it might come down to the orgnaization thinking he’s worth more to them if he pans out in the next 2 seasons than what other teams are willing to give up in a trade).

  4. Sean says:

    The Flames and Canucks – 2 teams I dont know if the Oilers have ever traded with are sorely lacking skill on forwards 4-6. I dont think a trade will happen but the Oilers need Schremp less than they do.

  5. Dennis says:

    Schremp: I think if you look for a common denominator that links teams that need PP help and have dealt with Lowe in the past, you’ll find your home for Rob.

    Pouliot: I’m a bit worried that he hasn’t been re-signed already. He’s certainly worth a second rounder, though. Guy might be a late starter but that’s two seasons in a row where he showed a knack for being hard to score against.

    Jacques: I think it comes down to whether the Oilers think he can sneak through waivers after next year’s camp. I don’t think you can get more than a 3rd for him so the org has to wonder if they just cut bait and get a third, do they try and sneak him through waivers OR do they keep him as the 14th forward and send him down for one of those conditioning stints while they wait for Moreau to get injured and thus open a spot.

    Regarding Schremp for Tambellini, not sure where I read this — I think it was from Matheson — but Snow apparently had a chat with Nolan and said let’s see what we can get from this kid and let’s not have another Nilsson on our hands.

  6. Cloned says:

    I’ll finally create an account and post here LT.

    Minny just got eliminated and I don’t know what management will decide to do there. Lemaire was outcoached (surprisngly) in the series and they have enough talent in the system now that they may feel like another system will still allow them to win.

    The problem is that a significant portion of their forward roster is headed towards RFA and UFA this summer. I think the Oilers should seriously take a look at some of those of UFAs – and if that fails, Minny may need help up front. And Schremp might be enticing enough to them for a higher pick.

    They might even have trouble re-signing Gaborik next offseason.

  7. Coach pb9617 says:

    One thing to keep in mind is that Pittsburgh has six forwards that are under contract or RFA. That’s it. They need to find seven forwards for the roster this summer, and with Fleury and Malkin about to redo a couple of enormous contract there isn’t much room for Malone or Hossa. Their farm system is bare and they have one tradeable roster asset — Gonchar.

    Also, there isn’t a LW in the entire organization. If this isn’t a destination for Torres/Moreau or both, I don’t know what is.

    It seems like an ideal place to send out Torres and Shremp or Torres and Jacques and get some picks in return.

  8. DeBakey says:

    With Jacques’ screwed up spine, I don’t thnk he’s gong anywhere

    Pittsburgh – Did I hear someone say they’re the worst face-off team in the league?
    That sounds like Jarret Stoll country!

    This is what that TSN thing said:
    it’s now imperative for the Thrashers to provide Kovalchuk with an adequate supporting cast. That means improving the quality of his linemates
    Could the Oilers get this 3rd round pick in return for Schremp?
    Spencer Machacek RW
    Height 6.00, Weight 182
    33 Goals, 45 assists in 70 games
    “he’s also a really gritty competitor … gets involved around …got the skill to get into the open …make things happen with his speed” [From Hockey's Future]

  9. Ribs says:

    Minny just got eliminated and I don’t know what management will decide to do there.

    Probably the same thing they do every year. Sign their players and add some cheap veterans that can play Lemaire’s game.
    Schremp is about the farthest thing away from a player that would have success under Lemaire’s watch.

    I’d sure love to trade something for Rolstons rights before he goes UFA though.

  10. Coach pb9617 says:

    With Jacques’ screwed up spine, I don’t thnk he’s gong anywhere

    Torres and Shemp then.

    Pittsburgh – Did I hear someone say they’re the worst face-off team in the league?
    That sounds like Jarret Stoll country!

    That they are, but with Crosby, Malkin, Stall and Talbot, I don’t think they are trading for centers.

    Not a LW in the whole organization though.

  11. Coach pb9617 says:

    I’d sure love to trade something for Rolstons rights before he goes UFA though.

    For Pete’s sake, why?

  12. dbushie says:

    Whats wrong with keeping schremp,Pouliot and Joques so we can have depth within the organization.

    As for schremp he still serving his first 3yr rookie contract. I dont want another cleary on our hands.

  13. Ribs says:

    30+G for the last 3 seasons, Coach.

    He’s got one hell of a shot and can skate. He doesn’t have injury issues and can play defensively.

    If Lowe could get him before anyone else had a shot it’d be a nice move.

    Did I mention he plays Left Wing?

  14. Oiler Mag says:

    I never see the point of drafting someone in the first round, spending time and money on coaching him till he’s ‘NHL ready’ and then trading him for a second round pick to start the process all over again (probably with a less talented player). If Sugartits is on the move, lets hope its part of a package for a top six forward, like Demitra. What would a Pitkanen, Torres and Schremp package get you?
    What would it take to get a hold of Gaborik, after his 1 point play-off series?

  15. Coach pb9617 says:

    If Lowe could get him before anyone else had a shot it’d be a nice move.

    No UFA in his right mind will sign before he hears from the market, and to trade away assets for the rights just to talk to a UFA is near madness.

  16. Coach pb9617 says:

    If Sugartits is on the move, lets hope its part of a package for a top six forward, like Demitra.

    Isn’t Demitra already a free agent?

  17. jon k says:

    Though it’s interesting in looking at his career that it bears a lot of resemblance to someone we already have on the team. Or at least we should hope it does.

  18. Oiler Mag says:

    Isn’t Demitra already a free agent?

    He is – it was just an example off the LT list.

  19. Jonathan says:

    //I never see the point of drafting someone in the first round, spending time and money on coaching him till he’s ‘NHL ready’ and then trading him for a second round pick to start the process all over again (probably with a less talented player). //

    It’s because sometimes there’s no room in an organization for a prospect to advance and he dies on the vine, or takes up minutes that other prospects need to develop.

    Rob Schremp should be in the NHL next year, and IMO, he shouldn’t be on the Oilers roster next year. Thus, I favour trading him.

  20. Ribs says:

    No UFA in his right mind will sign before he hears from the market, and to trade away assets for the rights just to talk to a UFA is near madness.

    Philly signed Biron, Hartnell, and Timonen this way….It seems to be working okay for them.

    The only downfall to something like this is that the contract has to be pretty significant for the player to agree to the terms.

  21. Coach pb9617 says:

    Philly signed Biron, Hartnell, and Timonen this way….It seems to be working okay for them.

    Biron actually played for Philly first. Hartnell and Timonen had already agreed to deals in principle before agreeing to the trade. They both had sit downs and immediately signed.

    You don’t just trade for someone’s rights.

  22. Coach pb9617 says:

    Rob Schremp should be in the NHL next year, and IMO, he shouldn’t be on the Oilers roster next year. Thus, I favour trading him.

    Perfectly said.

  23. Ribs says:

    You don’t just trade for someone’s rights.

    Well, obviously. I wasn’t implying that Lowe would do this without having deals in place.

    Biron was pretty much the same deal. He was a deadline trade to a half sunken ship in Philly. He was leaving at the end of the year anyway.

  24. Dennis says:

    The Wild might be wondering what they have to do to get out of the first round and Gabby might not seem like such a lock for this next contract after going sans goal in this series.

    But, with both Rolson and Demitra coming off the books, and I believe PMB’s a FA as well, and with Gabby perhaps being in disfavour, that team’s in flux.

    They sorta gotta stay the course and just hope it’s nerves that are killing them or else they’re gonna end up with Van: a great goalie and a bunch of good D but they won’t even have the Sedins.

    Of course – and I understand this is cold comfort – the Wild were winning the chances battle and if that series was played again, I wouldn’t bet against them. Granted, I had the Avs to move past them but I never thought Minny would carry the play to the extent that they did.

    Anyway, lots of decisons for those guys to make and with Rolston and Demitra about to come off the books, perha[s here’s another team to look at Hossa.

  25. jon k says:

    Hossa might be a very good match for Minny. The team has shown a willingness to over pay UFAs (Johnsson), Gaborik plays LW Hossa RW, they’re both Slovaks, and Hossa can likely play the system.

    Then again it’s always a crapshoot trying to figure out where UFAs will sign.

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