ATOI for Rookies under MacT (F)

Since the fall of 2000, Craig MacTavish has had some nice rookie forwards passed along to him from the procurement department. I always find it curious when we speak about his apparent inability to develop talent (an argument I don’t agree with, btw) that the sheer number of rookies over his 7 seasons at the helm never gets mentioned.

Let alone the quality of said talent.

Another impressive thing that comes from this list is the range of talent. One dimensional scorers, checkers and role players all got at-bats and a chance in the show. A lot of these kids who failed in Edmonton got another look with a second NHL team, and some of them found a home.

In 07-08, the rookies were so good they kept getting playing time, and so they found their way to the top of the list.

Here’s the list, fall 2000 through spring 2008.

  1. Sam Gagner (07-08) 1238:31
  2. Andrew Cogliano (07-08) 1112:17
  3. Kyle Brodziak (07-08) 1033:24
  4. Jarret Stoll (03-04) 945:18
  5. Patrick Thoresen (06-07) 776:33
  6. Ales Hemsky (02-03) 712:12
  7. Jason Chimera (02-03) 710:06
  8. Marc Pouliot (06-07) 600:12
  9. Dom Pittis (00-01) 506:13
  10. Brad Winchester (06-07) 476:18
  11. Mike Comrie (00-01) 466:54
  12. Shawn Horcoff (00-01) 452:12
  13. Fernando Pisani (02-03) 375:18
  14. Jean Francois Jacques (06-07) 292:44
  15. Zach Stortini (06-07) 207:27
  16. Brian Swanson (00-01) 174:38
  17. Mike Bishai (03-04) 128:18
  18. Tony Salmlelainen (03-04) 125:27
  19. Michel Riesen (00-01) 118:53
  20. Jani Rita (02-03) 114:26

These are the players who played more than 100 minutes at forward as rookies for the Edmonton Oilers. I didn’t include Curtis Glencross because he’d already played quite a bit for another organization.

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9 Responses to "ATOI for Rookies under MacT (F)"

  1. Ryan Budney says:

    Question: If you made the same kind of list for Calgary, Vancouver and Detroit, how would Edmonton compare?

    I’m wondering if these kinds of numbers are the norm nowadays.

    I suppose I could make the list myself… but I’m lazy.

  2. Backhand says:

    Another thing to note is that 10 of the top 13 have become NHL players. That doesn’t include Pittis, Thoresen, and Pouliot.

    You can’t be unimpressed with that.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Ryan:

    As an example, CALGARY

    1. Matt Lombardi 1139:57 (03-04)
    2. Chuck Kobasew 726:08 (03-04)
    3. Oleg Saprykin 718:01 (00-01)
    4. Eric Nystrom 505:44 (07-08)
    5. Steve Begin 480:04 (01-02)
    6. Dustin Boyd 471:12 (07-08)
    7. Jeff Cowan 464:30 (00-01)
    8. David Moss 459:48 (06-07)
    9. Ronald Petrovicky 346:29 (00-01)
    10. Chris Clark 346:17 (00-01)
    11. Daniel Tkaczuk 232:30 (00-01)
    12. Lynn Loyns 149:39 (03-04)
    13. Blair Betts 103:58 (02-03)
    14. Marty Murray 101:13 (00-01)

    Oilers have more (20) and of course kept more. It’s interesting to see just how many kids got their starts in CGY but established themselves elsewhere.

    Also interesting that the Flames had a HUGE crop of rookies fall 2000 (Saprykin, Cowan, Petrovicky, Clark, Tkaczuk, Murray).

    Oilers procurement department has certainly done a better job since 2000 imo.

  4. RiversQ says:

    I think the 07/08 rookies have a chance to be very good but the circumstances had to be in their favour. They certainly were in Stoll’s year where the Oilers had no centres and had little choice but to road test Stoll.

    So sure they played a lot of rookies this past year but this was a -27 team overall and -23 at ES. That should temper things a little.

    Whether the Oilers did it A) out of necessity, B) because they’re stupid, C) just trying to develop the players, or D) because they’re going to be the best players the Oilers have had since the 80′s we won’t really know.

    Even if D) happens, and I hope it does, it’s not necessarily due to their rookie minutes.

  5. Lowetide says:

    RQ: Having said that, these players managed to stay in the lineup when there were other options. For instance, Gagner survived despite some interesting kids on the farm and some players who could have eaten those minutes on the big roster.

    Oilers didn’t have much in the fall of 2000, certainly no one with the talent of Schremp when Horcoff and Comrie arrived in the NHL.

  6. doritogrande says:

    Owen Nolan’s off the market, to another divisional rival, at a dollar value we could have afforded.

    Damn.

  7. heed says:

    at $2.75M a year, the wild can have him.

  8. RiversQ says:

    Oilers didn’t have much in the fall of 2000, certainly no one with the talent of Schremp when Horcoff and Comrie arrived in the NHL.

    Not much outside of a much better team.

    That 2000/2001 team was +21 and actually on the plus side in shot differential. They made the playoffs too.

    This team was -27 in goal differential, -417 in shots and they’re now a cinch to pay Gagner more for less. Was that worth it?

    (I shouldn’t even go there because it’s an argument that can never be won by either side.)

  9. saurash says:

    In regards to Nolan: I don’t really like the contract. The man’s offensive game has been steadily declining for a few years now, and he’s shown no advancements in his defensive game to take on a checking role.

    I think Nolan’s due to realize very soon that his offense won’t get him more than a 4th line spot. The Wild panicked with this signing, and that’s expected seeing how they struggled to grab anyone else. But I think they’re going to regret it before the contract is up.

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