Bou-Bou

I know we’re well into the summer and the Oilers have made all the moves they’re going to before training camp. I know they’ve already spent a buh-zillion on the blueline. I know Souray has a no movement deal and they didn’t bring in Visnovsky to deal him, and I know Tom Gilbert is the present and the future. Grebeshkov is going to come in handy, Staios is a solid veteran who can be used in multiple roles, Smid’s learning on the job (why stop now?) and Strudwick was a really nice depth UFA signing. Mathieu Roy isn’t hurt yet.

But Jay Bouwmeester might be available. Nice. Big guy, smooth skater, a big future and he’s only 24 (25 in September). He’s part of the Hemsky cluster and would fit perfectly in the 09-13 timeline the Oilers have seemingly been loading up for since the Pronger trade.

Jacques Martin has apparently offered a nice deal and the Bouwmeester camp has stated they are happy going to arbitration (making him a UFA next summer). Is this a player who is worth trading for and signing long term? What would it cost? Are there better options available?

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  1. CM says:

    if the oilers could dump souray and pick up bou-bou that would be amazing…it would fit so well with staois and lubo…two older vets…a young vet and few young guys who have the possibility of becomeing something special…

    I think a trade for bou and signing him to a long term deal similar to the horcoff deal would instantly push this team from one that makes the playoffs to a team that could compete for the stanley…

  2. Kish says:

    obviously it depends on who the oil give up (souray and depth guys), but count me as 100% on board with trying all reasonable avenues to add JB to the core for the 09-13 run(s).

  3. alphahelix says:

    that would be sweet… we would actually have a good “defense”. at least one pair that could handle the rigors of top competition with ease.

  4. Black Dog says:

    An interesting player. Plays big minutes and tough minutes at that and comes out on top, iirc, but still gets pegged as a guy who can get better because expectations are 20G, 40A.

    Guy is a horse. Terrific player. What would he cost? A ton. Probably start with a young F and a young D.

    Plus rumour has it he has no desire to play in his hometown. Too bad.

  5. HBomb says:

    Souray plus what lands you Boumeester? Because I think that’s how the deal would have to be structured.

    For the individual player, you’d probably be talking an extra 500K-1M per season on a long term deal for Boumeester instead of Souray. But given the upside PLUS the fact J-Bo is probably flat out better right now than Sheldon, I’d say it would be worth it on the financial side.

    It would probably be at the price of Souray, a young d-man, a good prospect, and a pick.

    Souray, Schremp, Smid and the Oilers 2009 first rounder for Boumeester? Is it enough? Too much?

  6. Jonathan says:

    know they’ve already spent a buh-zillion on the blueline. I know Souray has a no movement deal and they didn’t bring in Visnovsky to deal him, and I know Tom Gilbert is the present and the future.

    Well, given that Visnovsky and Gilbert were just acquired, I think Souray is the only guy we can be looking at as going the other way, since the Oilers sure can’t afford to have 4 defensemen locked up at 4m+ per season.

    Souray, Schremp, Smid and the Oilers 2009 first rounder for Boumeester? Is it enough? Too much?

    Not enough. The Panthers need to take some positive steps this season, so I think Souray, Cogliano, and a 1st would be more what they’d be looking for. And I’m not sure it’s worth making a deal at that price.

  7. godot10 says:

    I think Bouwmeester has made the decision to test the unrestricted free agent market (after enduring NHL hell) whether he is traded or not, so at this point he is a one year rental. So too risky to trade for at this point in time.

    The best Oiler Bouwmeester strategy is to have a great season to demonstrate they are close to contending, and make their pitch next summer. Souray will be more tradeable next summer.

  8. Joey says:

    I’m seeing him as a big story come trade deadline time. Florida is really going to benefit if this is the case.

  9. boopronger says:

    I know this has been brought up a few times but didnt the big Bo say he didnt want to play in Edmonton?

    Funny when people bring up trade ideas. If you said Stoll, and Greene for Boumeester, people would laugh and say “are you nuts?” Yet, Lowe got Vish outta that deal.

    On that note I think Souray, Smid, Schremp and 2009 first pick is too much.

  10. Josh says:

    If you said Stoll, and Greene for Boumeester, people would laugh and say “are you nuts?”

    That’s probably fair, but Vish is at/ending his prime, and Bo is just getting into it. The price goes way, way up.

    Not worth it.

  11. PunjabiOil says:

    I would have no problem involving Gilbert in the deal, to acquire Bouweemeester. Would prefer moving Souray, but doubtful he would waive his NTC.

    Gilbert + Smid + 2nd?

  12. Bill Needle says:

    Souray, Schremp a first rounder and Smid for Bouwmeester?
    In other words, all the guys the majority of commenters on this site loathe (because they’re either lousy, unproven, injured or all three) for one of the top defencemen in the game?
    Typical.

  13. doritogrande says:

    bill needle:

    Stoll, Greene and Torres are gone, what did you expect? ;)

    Souray and Cogliano for Boumeester and a contract extension.

  14. dstaples says:

    Of course, there’s a ton of players out there whom might help the Oil, and Meester Bouwmeester is one of them.
    But what would really help is patience for guys like Smid, Gilbert and Grebs.

    Remember, halfway through last season, many fans would have had Nilsson benched or traded, Gagner sent to London, Smid sent to the minors and Grebs shot and urinated upon.

    Let’s leave this Oilers team alone.

    Let’s not shuffle the deck too much.

    Let’s give this team, with all it’s promising young players, a chance to come together.

  15. Moose says:

    Florida has 8 NHL defenseman on their roster, and nobody to replace Jokinen’s goals. Aside from Horton, and Booth, there isn’t anything to build on upfront. Weiss hasn’t broken through like they thought he would. There’s no way they move him without getting a good young forward back as part of a package.

    I would guess Cogliano would have to be part of anything going the other way.

  16. Lowetide says:

    David Staples: I understand your point, and agree for the most part but when it comes to top end talent that is also young then imo exceptions need to be made.

    Some excellent points here, but if Bouwmeester was:

    1. willing to come to EDM
    2. sign long term

    and Florida was willing to trade him with Gilbert as the centerpiece I don’t know how you could pass on the opportunity.

    Having said that, who knows if they would consider it, and the chance of someone else offering better is also there.

    Would anyone do Gilbert and Cogliano for a signed (long term) Bouwmeester?

  17. Moose says:

    If we knew Pouliot or Brodziak could replace Cog’s offense I might. The trouble is Cogliano has something that few players have = elite, game breaking speed. It’s tough to trade players that can impact a game on every shift. That’s IF you think he’s gonna be that type of player. If he’s gonna use that speed to be a 30-35 goal guy, that’s a steep price.

  18. dstaples says:

    LT: And I take your point about acquiring young and outstanding talent, for the right price.

    That’s why I was onside with Penner (sorry for opening that can of worms).

    My real question, having watched Bouwmeester at the World Championships, is whether or not this guy is all he is cracked up to be. I’m not convinced, as he looked awfully shaky on a few goals (kind of like Tom Gilbert in the last 30 games come to think of it).

    So I’d give up Gilbert for Bouwmeester in a trade, but never in a million years would I trade Cogliano at this point. We still do not know if Cogs is a career 15 goals scorer or a career 30 goal scorer.

    But we should know this year, as the best young talent takes no time at all to announce itself to the world.

    Now if the Oil could move other, older pieces, like Cole or Visnovsky for Bouw, maybe that would make sense for the Oil, though not so much for Florida.

  19. Promethian says:

    Lowetide:

    1. Love the blog. The intelligent and insightful posts have me here daily. The discussion created is equally as thought-provoking and interesting.

    2. No, I would not trade Gilbert for Bouwmeester. Two sizeable, smart, mobile, young defensemen not yet in their primes should play together if possible. Souray will fade as will Lubomir, but JBo and Gibbie could be our #1 and #2 D-men for years, playing shut-down minutes and PP time.

    I would rather see Staios, Schremp, and Brule traded for Bouwmeester. Would they take it? Not sure…how disgruntled IS Bouwmeester? Florida seems to get rid of players for seemingly not much at all (Luongo, Jokinen).

  20. Dennis says:

    LT beat me to what I assume would be the first piece: Gilbert.

    77′s young and has promise and is signed longterm, so, I’d imagine this is where the return would begin and, no, I would not include Cogliano in this deal. I”m a big fan of JB but not to the point where he’s worth 77 and 13, IMO.

    Of course, there’s also the fact of just how much he’s gonna want and how long we can get him for.

    Souray out would be an unbelievable move but I don’t know if there’s anyone out there to match the stupidity shown by Lowe when he Signed Sheldon to that contract in the first place. I thought we had a chance to move him to NYR if Slats struck out everywhere else but the Cats would have to get a better return for JB.

    Unless of course it was Lowe dealing him:D

  21. GorillazXL says:

    Once again the Souray contract limits the Oilers from getting players they need.

    Damn you BBO for wishing for Souray… he’s like wart that won’t go away.

    GXL

  22. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: What WILL you do when Lowe gets the Rangers job and fleeces us? :-)

    It’ll be like that scene in Hunt for Red October where the guys says “you idiot, you’ve killed us!”

  23. Dennis says:

    I think I’ll take those odds, Lain.

    Fire away, Magoo!!

  24. Ribs says:

    You think Florida wants to deal with Lowe after his Burke rant? Didn’t he basically call them stupid for letting Nonis fleece them? I guess it’s really nothing, but you never know.

    I’d love to see Bouwmeester here. If you can’t move Souray in Florida’s direction, send Visnovsky back to the sunshine. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind.

  25. Kevin says:

    I’d prefer a deal something like Smid, Schremp, Strotini, 1st Rounder… maybe Reddox and or Roy… lots of young talent and all possibly have spots on the team. Do they need a goalie? I can even throw in Roloson. I’d even throw the whole lot at them. We are deep enough to loose any or all of these players to get a young talent like Boumeester if he’ll sign long term. I’d trade Souray if not for his ntc, obviously not with all though, smaller package. Souray’s not that bad when healthy.

  26. Coach pb9617 says:

    For the guy likely to be the best backliner in the league for the next ten years?

    Something like Penner, Nash and a 1st.

    Maybe Cogliano, Chorney and a 1st.

    Nilsson, Petry, 1st?

  27. Bill Needle says:

    Now you’re thinking…

  28. RiversQ says:

    While I was in Atlanta I saw Bouwmeester in person a couple of times a year. He’s for real. Just an awesome player who can play against anyone. He’s one of a handful of true difference making NHL dmen IMHO.

    Outside of Gagner, Hemsky and Horcoff, I’d move just about any two pieces to get him. 77 and 13 would be a no-brainer assuming J-Bo actually wants to be in Edmonton and will sign long term, like say 8-10 years.

  29. godot10 says:

    //Would anyone do Gilbert and Cogliano for a signed (long term) Bouwmeester?//

    No way. Bouwmeester is testing UFA status next summer. After being stuck in NHL hell, he is going to want to choose his situation.

    Gilbert is signed and arguably has better leadership skills than JayBo (i.e bird-in-the-hand), and Cogliano has special skills Cogliano will be this generation’s Glen Anderson. Plus, if Grebeshkov continues his pace of development, I really like the G and G pairing.

    The time to go for JayBo is at the deadline or next summer, because there is no way he will consider signing in Edmonton unless the Oilers look like a contender.

    And it will give time for our potential tradeable assets (like Smid, Chorney, Schremp, Pouliot, etc) to gain some value.

  30. devin says:

    Florida needs help up front. They have too many d-men as it is. I think the obvious trading chip is Penner, and maybe add some combination of a high pick, Chorney, Schremp/Pouliot. Or Penner and Souray for J-Bo + a FLA salary dump. That’s the trade that Edmonton can do and help the team. You don’t see star players traded for huge returns very often, and J-Bo isn’t exactly Pronger or Thornton at this point. Trading Cogliano+ just opens new holes.

  31. Jonathan says:

    Souray out would be an unbelievable move but I don’t know if there’s anyone out there to match the stupidity shown by Lowe when he Signed Sheldon to that contract in the first place.

    Well, for starters, the Souray contract isn’t as bad as the Redden contract, so the stupidity has already been matched by one GM (there’s others, but why continue). Secondly, Jacques Martin hasn’t shown himself to be a particularly astute general manager to this point, and call me crazy but after everything Florida’s gone through the past few years I think Souray may actually have more appeal (not value, appeal) in a trade than Gilbert because Souray could be cnsidered a guy who can help a team now. End of rant.

    Would anyone do Gilbert and Cogliano for a signed (long term) Bouwmeester?

    Yes.

  32. godot10 says:

    jonathan wrote:
    //”Would anyone do Gilbert and Cogliano for a signed (long term) Bouwmeester?”
    Yes.//

    4 years of Tom Gilbert and 6 years of Andrew Cogliano for 1 year of Jay Bouwmeester?

    Are you guys nuts?

    You guys want to trade INTO a “Ryan Smyth” situation, and give away your stud young defenseman (who wants to be here), and your “Devon Hester” in the process?

  33. HBomb says:

    4 years of Tom Gilbert and 6 years of Andrew Cogliano for 1 year of Jay Bouwmeester?

    Are you guys nuts?

    You guys want to trade INTO a “Ryan Smyth” situation, and give away your stud young defenseman (who wants to be here), and your “Devon Hester” in the process?

    It was clearly implied by Lowetide in how he phrased it that such a trade would not be considered unless Boumeester was locked-in long-term first.

  34. Coach pb9617 says:

    and J-Bo isn’t exactly Pronger or Thornton at this point.

    I’m not so sure about that. The visual reviews are completely supported by the numbers.

    and your “Devon Hester” in the process?

    This is a baseball analogy blog, so we prefer Vince Coleman

  35. godot10 says:

    //It was clearly implied by Lowetide in how he phrased it that such a trade would not be considered unless Boumeester was locked-in long-term first.//

    If I looked like Brad Pitt, then I could date Angelina Joile too.

    If Bouwmeester was signed to a contract, he wouldn’t be available.

    What one is trading for is ONE year of Bouwmeester. All else is fantasy.

    Teams like Toronto, who want to get rid of Kubina, can pay an awful lot for one year of Bouwmeester, and take that gamble.

    The Oilers have a better chance of getting Bouwmeester by keeping Gilbert and Cogliano, and having a great season, and signing Bouwmeester as a UFA next July because they have a great young contending team, or by trading Smid and Pouliot and a pick for him at the trade deadline.

    Can you imagine what ripping Gilbert and Cogliano out of this team would do to the trust that has been built between the new players and the management? Gilbert just signs a long term contract based on commitments made by the organization, and then you ship him out to NHL hockey hell?

  36. CM says:

    I guess as long as we can dream.

    I think the Ideal situation consists of the oilers winning the Stanley this year. Trading Souray at the draft for picks and prospects and then signing Boumeester to a long term contract on July 1st.

    Oh how sweet it is too dream…

  37. Bank Shot says:

    “If I looked like Brad Pitt, then I could date Angelina Joile too.

    If Bouwmeester was signed to a contract, he wouldn’t be available.

    What one is trading for is ONE year of Bouwmeester. All else is fantasy. “

    Not if you are given permission by Florida to attempt to work out an extension beforehand.

    Penner sounds like a real good starting place. Tack on a Smid or a Grebeshkov and add picks and prospects from there.

    Then Schremp could finally win that second line left wing spot in 09-10 and everyone is happy.

  38. Dennis says:

    There’s no doubt that the Oilers Have to put the cart before the horse when it comes to signing UFA’s, ie guys won’t come here to help Put us over the top; they’ll only come here when it looks like we’re just about Over the top, so I think there’s some real truth in what that guy threw out regarding signing him at season’s end.

    IAC, there will be no trade unless the OIlers could ink him longterm and that’s why fellows are throwing out real bonafide returns.

    I still wouldn’t deal away 13/77 for him and while I’m intrigued that Martin would see Souray as more valuable than Gilbert, I still think that’s dreaming.

    BTW, you’d have to think that Nilsson would enter into this equation somehow; probably as a replacement for Cogliano.

  39. Sean says:

    I wouldn't do Gilbert & Cogliano. These guys are both under 100 games played and both have shown
    a) they can think the game
    b) they are willing to work
    Both are also buddies of Gagner who is the talent I'd be focusing on developing.

  40. rickibear says:

    Coach: Why would you want to reference a player stupid enough to throw Fire crackers at children and to dumb to avoid a tarp machine. That is kind of a slap in Cogliano’s face who has better character than that. I allways thought of Coleman as the same arrogance as Henderson.

    My choice Lou Brock.

    Love of baseball:

    I got a new bike from Sears when I was 4 1/2(summer 69). A green bike with chopper bars and a white Banana seat with back rail. I traded it two days later for a Radio Flyer wagon full of his dads baseball card collection. I thought it was a great idea. My dad and his dad thought otherwise.

    Though my father did bring out his wall pennant collection and let me pick four to put on my wall. I choose Milwaukee Braves, Brooklyn Dodgers, N.Y. Giants, and my favorite the Kansas City Athletics.
    That White Elephant holding a Little pennant with the black background.

    When He and I talk on the phone every week we still talk baseball.

    Godot10: Hester is the perfect sports reference. They both set League records in a group of three and draw the same kind of excitment with there speed when you think they are going to score.

  41. CM says:

    Just a quick Question.

    Have the oilers made any trades with Flordia in recent memory…or with martin for that matter?

  42. therealdeal says:

    Everyone should know my feelings about Bouwmeester. I’ve said for a while I thought he was available, I suggested we put together a package for him involving a quality player plus some guys like Stoll/Torres etc. He’s terrific and he wants out of Florida.

    Unfortunately I think the Oilers are spent.

  43. therealdeal says:

    I think I’d contend the notion Bouwmeester wants to test UFA market. I think he just doesn’t want to play for Florida.

  44. spOILer says:

    The “on an extension” part is the killer here.

    There’s no way to throw that kicker into the pot the way the situation stands.

    We would need Florida to sign him long term prior to arbitration with no NTC and then trade him before the season. …Doesn’t appear to be a likely scenario.

    I agree with Godot: this is the time to wait. See what the cost is at the deadline or prior to the draft — if FLA hold him.

    Problem is, with 7 Dmen and Ballard signed, I can see Martin willing to deal J-Bo prior to the season to bring in some young talent — he Jokinen move indicates they’ve pushed their window back.

    But I’m not sure we can make that deal.

    Nilsson? 3 years of cheap Ro-bert for one year of cheap J-Bo?

    Grebs + pick/prospect? Better deal for us. Would FLA take it? Grebs has at least one more RFA contract. Is that better than they’d get elsewhere?

    Brodziak + might do it, but we might have to dump some salary depending on the arb award.

    Damn, I’d hate to See Brodz go though.

  45. Jonathan says:

    If Bouwmeester was signed to a contract, he wouldn’t be available.

    What one is trading for is ONE year of Bouwmeester. All else is fantasy.

    And in the fantastic scenario Lowetide concocted, it was a trade for Bouwmeester long-term.

    Trading Gilbert/Cogliano for one year of Bouwmeester is ludicrous.

  46. RiversQ says:

    Whew, some crazy talk here now.

    Obviously the deal doesn’t happen without an extension. An extension that doesn’t happen unless Bouwmeester is willing to stay in Edmonton for a long time.

    I do love it when Godot10 winds up his crazy drama, but anyone remember how the Oilers got Chris Pronger?

    Players do get dealt on the condition of signing a deal.

  47. Lowetide says:

    Oh God yes. Let’s be clear: the only way any of these deals make sense is if Bouwmeester signs a long term deal.

  48. CM says:

    I think Penner has to be part of the package going back the other way…I would do Penner and Gilbert long before I would want trade gogs…

    I think he has the potential to be something special…

  49. Kevin says:

    Don’t trade Gilbert. Don’t trade Cogs and don’t trade ANYBODY whos really ANYBODY. I know that’s yough but this team just built a core to mesh around for a productive future. Chemestry is pretty important and it doesn’t hurt that these guys are pretty good. Spare parts only. Pouliot, Schremp, Brodziak, Smid, Roy… our top prospects should also be looked upon as a future beyond Souray and Staios. They’ll be leavin as we start to really have developed Peckham, Chorney and Pettry. When Chopper and Pies are gone we need players like Nash and O’Marra. Clearly we want to build a young team to mesh together. Bou is amazing but the price may be our ability to put together a long lasting contender, with holes everywhere in our line-up. Seriously though, my last offer for Bou wouldn’t be more then:
    Pouliot, Peckham, Schremp, Smid, and a 2nd round pick.
    or
    Schremp, Smid and a 1st round pick.

    Don’t trade Penner, Souray or Gilbert PERIOD. Penner or Souray because if you do after the contracts they signed with us, no other fa or rfa will sign here without a stupid offer and don’t trade Gilbert because it makes our long-term commitment to building a sustainable core look like a sham. Looks bad for our young kids too and that’ll be more hesitant to sign long term here.

    Wake up people.

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