Nice.

The Edmonton Oilers have signed Shawn Horcoff to a long term deal. It’s a long ranger, the Oiler website says he signed a 6-year extension. We don’t know the dollars so can’t really talk about whether or not it is good value, but Shawn Horcoff is a quality NHL center with size, skill and smarts.

And he was drafted by the Oilers, learned his trade under MacT and has delivered pure quality since the lockout. This is a very good day, and if the numbers are cap friendly it could be a great one.
UPDATE: Stauffer on the Team 1260 is saying 6 years/33 million for a 5.5 million per season cap hit.
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  1. Keegan says:

    So what is the next Tagline LT?
    Extend Cole?

  2. Showerhead says:

    =D

  3. Gord says:

    Get Cole & Grebeshkov extended for another 3 years – then head for the Stanley Cup….

    Horcoff signed until he is 36… I like that length…

  4. Sean says:

    Look outside, its a beautiful sunny day! Ok its not, coulda fooled me!

  5. Doogie2K says:

    Wow. This is fantastic news. I’m left speechless.

  6. Scott says:

    Thank you, thank you, thank you Mr. Lowe.

    I guess this shows you (as LT has speculated) where Lowe rates/rated Smyth compared to his Edmonton linemates.

  7. mjsh says:

    I like Horcoff and my NHL 2008 made him captain. I am still concerned that while the Oilers have a lot of B plus players, they still do not have any A plus players.

  8. Dennis says:

    Well, that’s a lot of money for a 2nd line centre!!!

  9. T. says:

    I was thinking the same thing re: Smyth (and still think it a bit)but I think that you can’t make a true comparison B.K. and A.K. (Before/After Katz).

    But YAY! We’ve got Horcoff! (Is it weird that I started re-working the song “We’ve got Annie” from the musical while driving in my car listening to the presser?… Yeah… don’t answer that)

    PS – I simultaneously love and am repulsed by that photo of Gator in the sidebar. But it makes me miss him either way.

  10. DeBakey says:

    Carl Corrazzini one day
    Sean Horcoff the next

    Somebody pinch me!

  11. oilerdago says:

    Great day for extending Horc. Does Garon get the next extension? And does he deserve it?

  12. trader says:

    Dennis said:
    Well, that’s a lot of money for a 2nd line centre!!!

    Come-on, guys like Huselius are getting $4.75M

    If they hadn’t signed him you would be bitching about that too.

    But on the bright side…one entire post with no mention of the Pronger deal, the Souray signing or the massive hard-on for Pouliot.

  13. Steve says:

    If they hadn’t signed him you would be bitching about that too.

    I may be misreading Dennis’s post, but I’m pretty sure he both likes the signing and considers Horcoff a first line centre.

  14. NotLeeFogolin says:

    Horcoff’s our next captain. Who wants to bet? :)

  15. chris says:

    I saw the title of your post, LT, and I still blurted out an involuntary and wholly unoriginal “NICE” when I read the news.

    Six years at $5.5M a season? That’s just a fucking fantastic value for who is and undoubtedly will be the Oilers’ most complete hockey player for years to come.

    Nice.

  16. PDO says:

    Traktor:

    Dennis had his tongue stuck so deeply in his tongue, he must’ve looked like a chick trying to tease a blowjob.

    Wonderful news.

  17. tcho says:

    I think Horc deserves it. I was a bit leery before this past season… but, come on. Two of the past three seasons he’s performed as a bona fide 1st line C. He does everything well to very well. He can do the heavy lifting. It also sends a great message to the rest of the league. Horc could have easily waited out the year and gotten overpaid somewhere else, but he chose to stay with the only NHL team (and coach) he’s known. Given he’s an NHLPA guy, the message gets amplified too. I’m on board.

  18. oilersforever says:

    Lowetide, long time listener, first time caller. I agree you now need a new call sign, such as Land Huge Free Agent.

    Very good news to see Horc locked up, he’s always been such a positive influence on the team, and always a contributor on the ice. Nice to see some Oiler-grown talent stick around for a change. A good deal all around.

  19. Schitzo says:

    When I heard 6 years, my hope initially was that the extra year was at a major discount to lower the overall cap hit. If they decided to go for six, I don’t know why they didn’t say fuck it, go all in, and do 8 year/$36 mil or something like that.

  20. Coach pb9617 says:

    For as much as he gets ragged on, Lowe has easily had the best offseason of any GM not named Holland.

    Gilbert’s extension
    Nilsson’s extension
    Drafting Eberle
    Not doing crazy draft stuff
    Vishnovsky trade
    Torres trade
    Cole trade
    Not overpaying Glencross
    Calling Burke a moron
    Stortini’s extension
    Horcoff’s extension

    Kevin Lowe is bonafide.

  21. Dennis says:

    Isn’t it funny that Trader knows enough about some of the things I dislike that he can go off on a massive rant but he’s somehow missed how I’ve been a big Horc fan pretty much since the guy showed up?:)

    Watching guys take swings at me is like watching Fox News talking about Democrats: selective behavior at it’s finest:)

    It’s nice that 10/83 are signed long term at a combined ~ caphit of 10 mill and now you’ve got to hope that the next tandem to lead us — or hopefully the ones to give us that bonafide second line — 13/89 won’t ask for too much when their turn comes for their first big contracts.

    If those guys don’t get greedy and the cap keeps going up, we could be silver in a couple of seasons.

    AS for Lowe’s summer, yeah, it’s been great and it’s about FUCKING time. After Pronger, Souray and Nylander, the only thing he almost fucked this year was when he tried to acquire Ryan Malone’s rights.

  22. trader says:

    I rest my case…knew we couldn’t get through another post without a mention of Pronger or Sourey!!!
    But you forgot to mention the up-side of Pouliot

    Dennis, you need to lighten up…we only tease people we like

  23. Keegan says:

    Im sorry to hijack a post but I had to point out a journalist who thinks that the Vancouver Canucks have had the best off season so far in the division, followed by the flames, the wild with the oilers beating out just colorado. Is he crazy or just plain stupid?
    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=435230

  24. Keegan says:

    Link is here
    (Hopefully that works)

  25. Showerhead says:

    Any word on structure, or is it straight up 5.5 all the way through?

    Also, gold from PDO. Dennis-esque, even. ;)

  26. Lowetide says:

    Showerhead: No word on dollar amounts per year yet.

  27. Ribs says:

    Keegan – The guy doesn’t even mention Visnovsky? That’s messed up right there.

  28. Showerhead says:

    Lowetide: thanks for the quick reply… but wasn’t that a little TOO quick? you made promises and they involved the drinking of beer!

  29. PDO says:

    Shower:

    Thanks.

    Just wish I would’ve said “cheek” instead of inexplicably saying “tongue” twice.

    Shame there’s no editing button to fix that up.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Showerhead: The beer knew it was in trouble this morning with the signing of Ponzini.

  31. Quain says:

    That’s a little bit incorrect.

    It’s more like, he won a grand on Sunday, and on Monday went back and bought a grand worth of jello shots for Sheldon Souray. On Sunday, he was playing with the house’s money, but on Monday he was in bed with a drunk guy with a bad shoulder. You’re not incompetent, but you sure as hell just pissed away a grand.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Quain: Quain? Did you confuse this with a Harlequin site?

  33. Showerhead says:

    Haha, I like when beer trembles. My hometown’s annual celebration/shitshow weekend starts tomorrow… I can hear the bottles clinking, terrified, in my fridge way down the hall.

    I don’t frequent the internet as much as I used to but at least this weekend I’ll have a good excuse :)

  34. Showerhead says:

    “Here is the breakdown on Horcoff Contract Extension

    Shawn Horcoff –

    09-10 5.00 NHL ( plus 2.00m signing bonus)

    10-11 6.50 NHL

    11-12 6.50 NHL

    12-13 6.00 NHL

    13-14 4.00 NHL

    14-15 LY 3.00 NHL

    *Limited No Move

    Stauffer
    Team 1260″

    -From Stauffer, obviously, at HF.

  35. PDO says:

    Limited no move? What’s that?

  36. Dennis says:

    Showerhead: as “warped” as it sounds, I think I might have “shaped” some of you younguns;)

  37. toqueboy says:

    100% off topic.

    was watching sportsnet to get the horcoff report and shortly after they were doing ‘this upcoming week in the cfl’ and low and behold, gene principe was doing stamps coverage. is he done with edmonton/oil?

    horc in. gene out. this is an amazing day.

  38. Kev says:

    Had a pretty bad day but when I saw this it all melted away. *contented sigh*

  39. Lord Bob says:

    To celebrate the occasion, I’m pumping Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believing” and annoying all my neighbours.

    I feel like I’ve been too happy with Kevin Lowe lately, so what’s something he’s done that’s crappy that I can criticise him for?

    Er, I would have signed Matt Foy rather than Carl Corazzini.

    Also, GOILERS.

  40. Islandlife says:

    Nothing against Horcoff but this signing solidifies the Oilers as an average team.

    Lowe waited until the big guns turned him down and then locked up what he could get.

    Not PC, but IMO, the bottom line.

    No Cups for you!

  41. dawgbone says:

    Islandlife, not sure if you’ve ever watched hockey before today, but I don’t know under what universe you consider Shawn Horcoff average, or that this somehow ensures the Oilers will remain average.

    For $5.5 million, you get the combination of a strong ES player, a decent PP player and a strong PKer. He’s a guy that’s going to eat up 22+ minutes per game, playing in all situations.

    As for the Oilers being average, they’ve locked up a centreman who is going to be able to play well at ES and PK while younger players step up into more offensive roles.

    If the Oilers are an average team in 5 years, it won’t be because of this contract.

  42. Black Dog says:

    islandlife – which big guns were those? Hossa, yes. Jagr on a one year deal. Whatever.

    I seem to remember Horcoff averaging nearly a PPG in the playoffs as the first line centre on a team that just fell short of the Cup.

    Great great player.

    Great deal.

    I don’t think my week could be nay better. Except I need sleep. Like now.

  43. Black Dog says:

    BTW, being from Vancouver I presume you are a Canucks fan.

    Nobody would know average like a Canucks fan, that’s for sure.

  44. PDO says:

    BDHS..

    You know, average and mediocre are very different things :-).

  45. Steve says:

    You know, average and mediocre are very different things :-).

    Not in hockey speak – you know exactly what a coach means when he says a player’s been “average”.

  46. RiversQ says:

    Nice deal. Lowe has had a solid summer.

    I’m not sure this team makes the playoffs, but the following year is the first one for the real window of opportunity. It was imperative that Horcoff be locked up for that.

  47. PDO says:

    Steve:

    So Joffrey Lupul really is a Canuck!

  48. RiversQ says:

    Keegan said…
    So what is the next Tagline LT?
    Extend Cole?

    I dunno. I’m wait and see on that one. I think Cole’s a good player and a solid vet, but I’m not sure he’ll be worth big dough. I really want to see how he handles the competition over in the real NHL and whether he has any game on the PP at all.

  49. Aram Dellalian says:

    Y E S

  50. RiversQ says:

    I guess this shows you (as LT has speculated) where Lowe rates/rated Smyth compared to his Edmonton linemates.

    Not really.

    That’s not really how I’ve read LT’s speculation either.

    First off, Horc’s contract isn’t relevant to that question because it was the post-SCF extensions that mattered. The Staios and Moreau extensions that were the real message.

    Secondly, if that was the call, it’s safe to say that was a fuck-up. You don’t choose 2nd pairing dmen and beatup 4th liners over a true top line forward. That’s really what LT speculated about and although he’d never criticize Lowe over it directly, I think it was implicit in the comments.

    The point is moot anyway since Lowe already claimed mea culpa regarding Smyth last offseason. He flat out admitted he screwed up, so it’s pretty much a dead issue.

  51. PDO says:

    Riv..

    I agree, but….

    I’m not convinced that it’s a coincidence that:

    A) Souray signed the “Smyth” contract.
    B) Horcoff signed for what Smyth wanted, exactly, with an extra year too.

  52. Islandlife says:

    First of all, let me say I’ve been watching hockey longer than most of you have been alive despite aspersions to the contrary.

    Then, let me say the reactions here are exactly what I expected.

    While Horcoff is likely full value for his contract in the short term, he is not a difference maker. Sure he can play tough opposition to a draw, so fucking what. Can he outplay them? Show me.

    He had an unsustainable shooting percentage last season, is coming off a major injury and will likely regress to the mean. He is not 25. He’s 30!

    If Horcoff is the best player the Oilers have…they’re average. And average doesn’t cut it.

    If the Oilers are average in 5 years, as PDO has postulated against, it’s exactly because of contracts like this.

    Roloson, Pisani, Moreau and now Horcoff for 3 years too long.

    The Oilers are bumping up against the cap again and aren’t players.

  53. RiversQ says:

    Well, how can you explain A) really? It defies explanation, except for some unfounded EIG conspiracy theories. These apparently are only cool now because they don’t own the team anymore and they might exonerate Lowe from being a total dummy. (OK fine, explain just one of the items from a ridiculous offseason)

    I think B is a coincidence. The Oilers have different owners and apparently Lowe now has a better “feel” for the salary cap than he did after 06/07.

    You can read into it if you want, but I choose to give Lowe a little more credit here.

  54. PDO says:

    Island:

    A guy who can outscore Zetterberg, Thornton and Selanne in a playoff run with Smyth and TODD HARVEY as linemates is a difference maker in my books.

    RiversQ:

    Totally possible that I’ve just knocked a few too many back… but I’ve always thought the fact Souray signed for exactly what we offered Smyth (right down to the NMC) was extremely strange…. seeing a parallel with Smyth and Horcoff followed through from that, and maybe I’m just thinking about it a bit too much here…. but it’s just the history.

    And that is the longest run on sentence I have ever written.

  55. Islandlife says:

    PDO:

    Would that be the same guy who pulled the chute a year later and has never won a thing?

  56. grease trap says:

    Shawn Horcoff pulled the chute?

    Maybe you have been watching hockey longer than I’ve been alive but with a comment like that tells me I must’ve *seen* more hockey than you.

    I dunno, I just don’t get how Horcoff pulled the chute or where you’d ever get that idea.

  57. Gord says:

    islandlife wrote: Roloson, Pisani, Moreau and now Horcoff for 3 years too long.

    It is not just scoring goals that matters – it is shutting down opposition players who score goals that wins games & Stanley Cups…

    There was only one short handed goal after Christmas while Pisani was defending – our $2.5 million player was shutting down the $6 million forwards without even trying. Our "non players" as you call them can shut down top lines – on any team at almost any time…

    It is our defense that needed maturing – we had injuries – rookies holding the fort over the past few years. Considering 5 of our regulars were under 25 years old last season – one extra year of experience plus trading for Visnovski will help a lot this year…

    And since you want to play the "age card", I delivered newspapers to Ted Harris's house when he played for Montreal – do I get brownie points for that……. LOL

  58. Stuart van says:

    Horcoff, 2008: 53 21 29 50 looks like a better deal than:
    Perry, 2008: 70 29 25 54 – cap hit =5.325
    Vanek, 2008: 82 36 28 64 – cap hit = 7.143
    Havlat, 2008: 35 10 17 27 – cap hit 6.0
    Nash, 2008: 80 38 31 69 – cap hit 5.4
    Smyth, 2008: 55 14 23 37 – cap hit 6.25
    Richards, 2008: 74 20 42 62 – cap hit 7.8

    Horcoff looks like a worse deal than
    Getlaf: 2008: 77 24 58 82 – cap hit = 5.325
    Kovalchuk: 2008 79 52 35 87 – cap hit 6.4
    Savard: 74 15 63 78 – cap hit = 5.0
    Staal: 82 38 44 82 – cap hit = 4.5 million
    Iginla: 82 50 48 98 – cap hit = 7.0 million
    Ribeiro: 76 27 56 83 – cap hit = 5.0 million

    Too tired to finish the list. Horcoff’s contract seems to be at about the right place though, with some guys being steals (generally the younger ones) and others being overpays.

    I think there is a decent chance he can perform to his pay level at least 2 of the next 3 years. I think in year 4, there’s a good change he’ll underperform, as age catches up, and then he’ll overperform the last two years, as his contract price goes down.

  59. ClaytonMagnet says:

    Island – I have to question your status as a true Canucks fan. You should be very familiar with what ‘pulling the chute’ looks like. Let’s look at the past few months.

    - All time leading scorer and captain. Apparently seen doing his best to recruit Demitra, then bails.

    - All time fan favourite – gone.

    - Can’t convince a 1 PPG player to even step on the plane for $10M a year.

    - went 1-7 in the last eight games of the season to snatch tee times from the jaws of another disappointing early playoff exit. For the 38th straight year. Whole team jumped on that one. :)

  60. therealdeal says:

    Fucking nice.

  61. Bruce says:

    Yahoo! again.

    I don’t say much about him cuz it’s like preaching to the choir round these parts, but Shawn Horcoff is my favourite Oiler bar none. I just loved what I saw right from Day One, when I caught him in one of the annual Oiler Rookie-Golden Bear games. It was fun to watch the kid play in the rink where his dad, John, had been a national champion and a helluva player with the Golden Bears back in 1975 (my first season of Bear hockey). All the hype that night was about Mike Comrie — who Horcoff had beaten out for the CCHA scoring title — but Horc was clearly the more complete player from the get-go.

    Not three months later, after he chewed up the AHL in a brief stint, I lucked into tickets to Horc’s first NHL game, when he set up the winner in a 4-0 thumping of Nashville and totally impressed with his speed and poise. I quickly became convinced that he would become a top-notch NHLer, even though it would take awhile. I picked him in my keeper league hockey pool on no fewer than four different occasions before he finally became a good enough scorer that I could, you know, “keep” him. He will remain a fixture on my team for the foreseeable future. Both of my teams, thanks to today’s signing.

    Crafty move by Katz to involve Horcoff in the Hossa negotiations. That worked out perfectly, the deal fell through but the attempt made a good impression on everyone, and left money in the kitty to take care of the loyal hometown boy.

    Career highlights: fine performances capped by gold medals in both of his trips to the Worlds; blocking a shot with his face with one second to go in Game 5 in Jos. Louis Arena; scoring in triple OT in Game 3 against the Sharks and proceeding to eat Joe Thronton’s lunch in that series.

    A gritty all-around player, and a winner. Surely the next captain of the Oilers. And, for once, a local star who doesn’t have a time bomb at the end of his current contract.

  62. Asiaoil says:

    Not much more to add – but Horcoff’s play and contract will be a great compliment to Gagner’s going forward. Horcoff will need to carry the load for another 3 years – but after that Gagner should be ready to start moving into the top dog role if all goes well. Horcoff will also likely age very well given his smarts and fitness level.

  63. Eetu says:

    The Oilers seem to be pretty well set for the 2009-10 season. Ok, they don’t have a goalie, Grebeshkov needs to be resigned, some forwards (mostly depth) need to be added, but other than that, everything is in order for a Cup run.

  64. JohnnyOil says:

    Rocket science’s loss is the Edmonton Oilers’ gain. Sweet signing.

  65. HBomb says:

    Something absolutely remarkable to consider here:

    When this deal expires, Sam Gagner will be a few weeks short of celebrating his 26th birthday.

    I think of that and it seems to me the length of this deal isn’t a problem at all, considering Horcoff’s level of fitness. He’s to Gagner as Brind’Amour is to Staal, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all.

    Next up: Garon (better to sign him now for 3 million per season than waiting until mid-January and having to give him 5 million per instead). Then, mid-season, Erik Cole (if they so choose). Next summer, get Gagner done for 10 years at around 50 million over the term, and away they go……

  66. Doogie2K says:

    There was only one short handed goal after Christmas while Pisani was defending – our $2.5 million player was shutting down the $6 million forwards without even trying.

    More accurately, he shut them down while trying his damnedest but only being able to get about 60-70% out of his colitis-battered body.

    I think of that and it seems to me the length of this deal isn’t a problem at all, considering Horcoff’s level of fitness. He’s to Gagner as Brind’Amour is to Staal, and there’s nothing wrong with that at all.

    That’s exactly the comparison I was considering myself last night. Specifically, I came to wonder if maybe Horc might be a Selke nominee at some point over the course of this contract.

  67. HBomb says:

    That’s exactly the comparison I was considering myself last night. Specifically, I came to wonder if maybe Horc might be a Selke nominee at some point over the course of this contract.

    I’ll take it one step further – if the 13th forward on the Olympic team is going to be a “checking” forward (a la Peca, Draper, etc.), is Horcoff in the Trail mix for the 2010 Vancouver team?

  68. dawgbone says:

    Islandlife, he did it throughout the playoffs. He did it most of last season.

    The thing is, even if you skate a guy like Thornton to a draw head to head, if you are making less money and your teammates are beating the rest, you are going to win hockey games.

    And yes, Shawn Horcoff is not going to shoot 18%. That being said, if he shoots around his career average of 13.5%, he was still on pace for about 25 goals over 82 games (and would have gotten about 16 in the 53 games he played last year).

    And Horcoff may well be their best player this upcoming season, but I doubt he will be for the life of this deal, which is really what it’s all about.

  69. Hoos says:

    The best comment of the conference call:

    Matty: Shawn, do you consider yourself a number one centre, or a shut down centre?

    Horcoff: I consider myself a shut down number one centre.

    Classic, is Horcoff the hot girl that you CAN bring home to meet your mom? I think maybe ….

  70. Dennis says:

    Riv : I don’t know what you’re getting at here but, personally, I think the EIG was really the root of all Lowe’s problems.

    I mean, it’s not up to Lowe to “know” that the cap was going to go up — it’s not like the information was available to everyone — so I can’t fault him for not resigning Smyth. On the other hand, I CAN fault the EIG for not keeping Lowe in the loop and for pressing for the signings of Nylander and Souray. And did you know that the last thing the EIG did this year was try and make Lowe acquire the rights to Ryan Malone? That fucking EIG!!

  71. IceDragoon says:

    FAN****INGTASTIC!!!

    Good day.

    Had no time for the computer yesterday, but listened to Stauffer’s show. Grandbaby’s visiting. He’s gonna spend his half-birthday with his grandmama.
    This :-D is me.

    Excellent, excellent signing. I’ve probably bored you guys to tears with my high IQ talk, but among his many attributes, Horcoff is an extremely intelligent individual. That he has committed to this team says that he thinks we have a great chance to win The Stanley. His own words, “Personally, I think this team has a lot of upside right now. And I really think you’re going to see the fruits of that sooner rather than later.” … “I like the direction this team is going and I wanted to be part of it as long as I could.”

    UFA signings next year will hammer home the “home-town discount” he took.
    This :-D is me.

    Dennis: Do you have something solid to base your Ryan Malone comments on? I thought that was just a rumour floating around shortly before Tampa bought his rights.

    L8r
    Louise

  72. PDO says:

    The best comment of the conference call:

    Matty: Shawn, do you consider yourself a number one centre, or a shut down centre?

    Horcoff: I consider myself a shut down number one centre.

    I thought it was a “two-way number one center” and “two-way” center… but c’est la vie ;).

    Matty sounded like he’d just had his mind blown wide open when Horcoff said that… it was brilliant.

  73. Oilman says:

    OT – The Oilers schedule is out – we have 3 home games in the first 15 and only 6 home games in all of October and November – that’s crazy tough!

  74. Dennis says:

    Louise: I know that Matty said Lowe was going after Malone’s rights and later on someone said — I believe it was Ireland — that Lowe tried and failed to pick up Malone’s rights.

    I’m telling you, the guy’s been practically Magoo-esque in some of the pratfalls he’s avoided.

    I don’t want it to seem like I’m not complimenting Horc but it’s almost old hat to me. I saw what should be his last healthy AHL game and then he made the show and hasn’t looked back. Time was a few of us were at Oilfans musing about the two collegiate centres that were coming at the same time – Horc and Comrie – and debating who’d turn out best.

    Then the guy shows speed and grit and really shows up in the playoffs even though he’s not getting top TOI and once he had that breakout WHC and the offensive season in the SEL, he really hasn’t looked back.

    It’s sorta weird because while I don’t believe that me rooting for a guy can make him better, I sorta stop focusing on fellows once I believe they’d made it; it’s almost like I think they don’t need my “help” anymore, even though it didn’t help them in the first place.

    Maybe it’s just a roundabout way of expressing trust – like when you have a good kid and bad kid and you always focus more on the bad one.

  75. Dennis says:

    OM: 18 of the first 26 are on the road.

    One thing I liked about this team last year was they started to really use the home advantage; I think that will be even stronger this year and if we get out of the first essentially 1/3rd of the season in say 10th place or better, then we should be fine.

  76. gary b says:

    a sad day in the Oilogosphere – Marty signs with Hotlanta:

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=243610&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_main

  77. digger says:

    The Marty Party is now over, Reasoner’s a Thrasher.

    The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away… ;)

  78. Scott says:

    dennis:

    Who are you using your powers to improve now? Riley Nash? Or does he not need it as much as say… an Alex Plante?

    And regarding the schedule, I’d rather have it be awful up front than at the end, we just have to survive it. I think with all the optimism in the locker room, they should have a decent start.

  79. Hoos says:

    Apologies, you are correct pdo. In all the excitement I remembered things how I chose to and not how they actually occured. This last happened when the Oilers won the Cup in 2006.

  80. uni says:

    Oddly enough I think that’s how most folk around here look at players. Once a prospect has been ‘made’ as it were and a bonafide NHL player then there almost seems no more need to be-labour the point that they are.

    Case in point would be Nilsson last season, once he established that he was going to run with the ball instead of dropping it every other 2, everyone stopped blasting or defending him, myself included =).

    Grebs signed to 3 years at 3 million per half way through the season of proving he is for real would be a nice follow-up as well.

  81. Dennis says:

    Scott: It’s obviously Pouliot:)

    Most of the forward corps right now are

    A: are either established,

    B: are guys like 13-89 who are on their way

    C: and even though I like a fellow like 51, he’s not a guy I’ve been able to take to because I was always worried he’d block 78;) Same thing goes for 46; he works like a fucking dog but I keep wondering just where he could top out.

    I have to admit, for a guy that likes to drill the kids and/or dummies over at HF, I’ve still got a bit of that kid in me who used to look at The Hockey Digest and put together lines and D pairings based on what people MIGHT be able to do. Most of that has been beat out of me by years of watching sports and hopefully gaining some insight but there’s still a bit of that in me and maybe that’s why I haven’t taken to 46/51 because I believe in what 78 MIGHT be able to do.

    Then again, I was one of the first to say that while he wasn’t scoring, 51 had an early season knack of creating scoring opps and that was worth noting. Also, outside of that dreadful start to the ’08 season, 78 has been decidedly low-event and this is why I keep holding out hope that he’s gonna be a real player or at least have some real value.

    Defensively, I’ll “let go” of Gilbert if he has a good first quarter and then it will be on to Grebs. Peckam’s a guy I’ll be rooting for once he makes it because the thing that impressed me about his only game in Colu was I’ll be damned if he didn’t come up and play the exact way he does in the A.

    Now, there’s a kid that exudes condfidence and knows his role.

  82. Dennis says:

    Uni: Didn’t mean to gloss over your point, but, yes, you are right about Nilsson.

    I was death on that kid because I’d read lots of bad Ted Nolan-related stuff about him AND he was dealt for Smyth and acquired in what was perhaps a touch of nepotism. And as a guy who has a couple of friends who’ve gotten everywhere they ever did because of who their families know, the latter’s always gonna rankle me something fierce.

    Plus, I didn’t like 12 at all down the stretch in ’07.

    But, there’s an old post of mine on Ty’s site from Nov. after a BOA win in Cgy where I basically proclaimed him “arrived” — how nice of me;):D — and maybe I slipped back on him a little later but after that game, I believed in both his sublime passing ability AND his ability — if so chosen – to compete.

  83. Scott says:

    dennis:

    Well, of course…

    I was thinking of a college/junior player further down the line.
    Everybody here knows you won’t easily let go of 78.

    I’d like to see him succeed too, can somebody just convince him that it’s already March and he needs to make a good impression before the season’s up? Then when he realizes it’s mid-November and the season hasn’t ended, brainwash him all over again.

    Hopefully we’ll get a proper look at Schremp this year, too. I’d like to form some sort of informed opinion on him as an NHLer already.

  84. Oilman says:

    dennis – maybe you could start rooting for Souray to turn into Pronger;o)

  85. Scott says:

    oilman:

    Pronger with a better shot ;-)

  86. CM says:

    Hoos said…
    “Apologies, you are correct pdo. In all the excitement I remembered things how I chose to and not how they actually occured. This last happened when the Oilers won the Cup in 2006.”

    Hands down best quote of the day.

    Totally made my afternoon.

    wow two good days in a row.

  87. Dennis says:

    I’d say something that would be less miraculous would be if Smid turned into Tommy Albelin; or at least someone that knows how to pass the puck when he gets it in the offensive zone:D

    Scott: Reddox seems like a bet to be a bottom sixer who’s on a checking line and kills penalties. He dropped some weight and gained a lot of work ethic and made tremendous strides after being O’Marred to the E for the ’07 season. And the other guy that seems like a good bet is young Nash; that kid has MacT fave written all over him.

    Speaking of that, I know Howson wasn’t here when he was drafted but I see that Steve Kelly was signed by the Jackets. I will always maintain that Kelly would’ve had a career under MAcT. It’s clear he was never going to be a scorer but to speak of another BJ, maybe Kelly would’ve been a Malholtra; even though it took Manny getting away from the team that gave him his top 10 status before he could get a job without having expectations attached to it

  88. Scott says:

    Dennis:

    Nice choice, but he already has Bucky on his side, so your powers may be wasted on a guy who’s going to get there anyway ;) Hopefully O’Marra has a Reddox-like season, but I’m not hitching my horse to that wagon.

    I’ll work on sending some positive energy Smid’s way, I’d really like to see him justify his draft position or his trade value circa summer 2006.

    As for Nash, I’m with you on that one. Everything I’ve read says he’s Horcoff v2.0. Maybe with a better shot to start off with. I can’t wait to see more when makes the jump.

  89. Jonathan says:

    Who are you using your powers to improve now? Riley Nash? Or does he not need it as much as say… an Alex Plante?

    I know you were asking Dennis, but… Stephane Goulet and Jeff Deslauriers.

  90. Kevin says:

    Mr Reasoner has left the building????… @#$#$%

  91. IceDragoon says:

    Dennis: I know that Matty said Lowe was going after Malone’s rights and later on someone said — I believe it was Ireland — that Lowe tried and failed to pick up Malone’s rights.

    I’m telling you, the guy’s been practically Magoo-esque in some of the pratfalls he’s avoided.

    Ah, right, thanx. Ireland would be an echo of Matty, no?

    Not knowing what Lowe was willing to give up, and then offer Malone, makes it difficult to nail down the measure of “phew” on the near-miss scale, imo. It certainly doesn’t mesh with anything else he’s done/tried, tho.

    … lucky/good… and all that jazz.
    ;-D

    Scott: dennis:

    Who are you using your powers to improve now? Riley Nash?

    Nash stamps his own ticket. As a cerebral centre, he couldn’t ask for a better coach than MacTavish, so… he’d better be ready to play some wing.
    ;-D

  92. Schitzo says:

    Totally off topic, but I’m rewatching the 06 cup run and I’m thinking our PP next year will be set up almost exactly like the 06 playoffs.

    Hemsky on the halfboards
    gagner/samsanov at the side of the net being a shifty passer
    penner/smyth being an arsehole in front
    Souray/Pronger parked at the top of the blueline lined up directly with the net
    vish/spacek at the top of the right faceoff circle for the shot or the pass

    The good – other than smyth, we’ve improved in basically every position

    The bad – that PP wasn’t good in 06 despite the nice look on paper

  93. PDO says:

    Souray can’t play at the top. He handles the puck like a hand grenade. He absolutely has to be the trigger man….

  94. Schitzo says:

    PDO – In my mind, Lubo would do more setup work from the faceoff circle, but it’s not hard to swap him and Souray if you’d rather run the PP from the top of the umbrella instead.

  95. Bank Shot says:

    “The bad – that PP wasn’t good in 06 despite the nice look on paper”

    It was 19th in the regular season. 7th in the playoffs.

    They should be able to field a second PP unit at least this year. What with the likes of Staios, and Torres inhabiting the second unit in 05-06, they couldn’t be counted on to produce much of anything.

  96. Bruce says:

    Same thing goes for 46; he works like a fucking dog but I keep wondering just where he could top out.

    Dennis: I’m one of Zack’s biggest fans and I ask myself the same question. The difference is you seem to expect expect his bubble to burst, whereas I look at how far he’s come in such a short time and wonder what’ll happen when Storts actually learns how to skate and shoot and fight … An intriguing prospect.

    Same goes for Grebs and Cogs and Gags and Brodz (what’s with these boring nicknames?) and Ladi and Gibby and Row-bert and Poo; how can these guys not continue to interest us as they grow?

    Of the guys on the way up, Pecks (I’m guessing here) should be fun to watch as he matures into an NHLer, and my wild card choice is Josef (Hrabes) Hrabal.

  97. GorillazXL says:

    Is Lowetide still celebrating? What’s the deal? no new article… damn.

    Good for Horcoff, he’s really proven himself to be the reliable center we’ve been in search of. Great signing and deal… kicks on picking up Smyth for $7M.

    GXL

  98. danny says:

    Blogger Dennis said…

    Riv : I don’t know what you’re getting at here but, personally, I think the EIG was really the root of all Lowe’s problems.

    I mean, it’s not up to Lowe to “know” that the cap was going to go up — it’s not like the information was available to everyone — so I can’t fault him for not resigning Smyth. On the other hand, I CAN fault the EIG for not keeping Lowe in the loop and for pressing for the signings of Nylander and Souray. And did you know that the last thing the EIG did this year was try and make Lowe acquire the rights to Ryan Malone? That fucking EIG!!

    Ok…

    The EIG had a budget. They set said budget each offseason, they were asking the NHL for a $39M cap, and had a payroll of $39M, the lowest in the NW.

    Its fair to assume Lowe didn’t think Smyth was worth that amount within that landscape no?

    Lowe admitted he made a mistake, on Smyth at 5.5 AFTER he had free reign to spend to the cap.

    Fuck I love these blogs but the way some of you propogate your personal notions, and the arrogant dismissive condescending tone in which its done sometimes really leaves a bad odor.

    Everyone enjoys a good insight, they may not always be correct. And then you use Malone as some sort of proof that Lowe is an idiot. Well, can you fill me in on some of the details? What was he offering, what was his salary expectations for Malone? WAs Hossa a secondary option? I doubt it… which eliminates Malone as a legitimate effort Id think.

    I don’t mean to harp on you dennis, its just more of I skim posts and read whom I respect I guess, but you accuse so many people of being Lowe-apologists, but I really think all of your venom is pent up from the Pronger deal. And now you paint every single thing with the same brush unless absolutely proven otherwise.

    You’re right if they can’t prove your wrong. Its a beautiful thing.

  99. Ribs says:

    Looks like Curtis Brown is close to being out of the question….

    from Spector’s site: “SLAPSHOT.CH/HOCKEYFANS.CH: report former San Jose Sharks forward Curtis Brown has signed a two year contract (without an “out clause) with the Kloten Flyers of the Swiss NLA League.”

  100. Dennis says:

    Danny: I guess that goes both ways, though. I’ve read so many times that Lowe’s hands were tied by the EIG and he couldn’t do this or that; OTOH, “maybe” he goes and tries to pick up Nylander, Souray etc all because the EIG was IN FAVOUR of it.

    In a way, you’re right, I can’t really forgive Lowe for the Pronger deal and I won’t get over it unless we win a Cup. There were all kinds of rumours about how perhaps Pronger would only agree to go to this place or that place but in the Staples series, we saw that wasn’t the case and that a few teams were up in the bidding and he hadn’t put restrictions on where he was to be dealt.

    It was a big chip and Lowe went a nice way towards squandering the opp. So, fuck, yes, that still rots me. I still hate Omar Minaya because he rented Colon for Sizemore, Lee and Phillips, and, guess what? He deserves to have that stink forever attached to him.

    Lousie: Considering what Lowe’s attempted and pulled off in the past with FA’s and RFA”s, there’s your precedent for possible stupidity with Malone.

  101. IceDragoon says:

    Dennis: Lousie: Considering what Lowe’s attempted and pulled off in the past with FA’s and RFA”s, there’s your precedent for possible stupidity with Malone.

    Interesting typo, Dennis.
    ;-)

    Oh, last year was a ****storm, no doubt. But this year’s moves have looked to have a rational purpose, so far, and Malone wouldn’t fit at anything more than 3rd line ESTOI.

  102. PunjabiOil says:

    Lousie:

    Apparently smarts run in the family. Horcoff’s brother is in the business faculty at the U of A, and apparently ”knows his stuff”

  103. Dennis says:

    ID: How about that?:) That’s some “Grade A” Lowe apologizing right there:)

  104. Dennis says:

    To finish;)

    Signing Hossa for 9 years wouldn’t have been a great idea and if we didn’t win a Cup in his time, it would’ve put some serious stress on the scouting staff.

    So, yeah, I can believe in the Malone stuff for sure; it has Lowe all over it.

    Then again, maybe I’m being too hard on Lowe for Hossa: it was probably Katz’s idea primarily and you know that no matter the owner, they always put Lowe in a hard spot!!

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