Sail On, Deerfield Spartan

My internet is down and Telus takes forever so it’ll be a light posting weekend. Marty Reasoner was a helluva Oiler, I’ll say that much.

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44 Responses to "Sail On, Deerfield Spartan"

  1. goldenchild says:

    Come on surely Marty deserves a few kind words. The guy was a great teammate and did everything he could to help his team win. A very likeable player I just wonder what might of been had his season not ended with that crash into the boards the year before the lockout.
    Also intersting how his career turned out I remember his Hockey news Draft profile was all offence but lacking toughness, grit and defensive game, they compared him to Craig Janney. At a $1mil he would of been a nice insurance policy for the MAP and Brodziak.

  2. Doogie2K says:

    I think Jonathan pretty much covered it already, but I made an effort yesterday. As you can see, I knew this headline was coming, but failed to come up with the correct second half.

  3. T. says:

    I miss him already.

    I think Reasoner is the type of player every coach wants to round out a team. Good team guy, hard worker, great in the locker room, reliable. It’s sad that there simply wasn’t room.

    So I guess Strudwick’s our funny guy now?

  4. Black Dog says:

    Check out Hot Oil – with his stash and his singing voice I think Strudwick is the new Marty.

    Great teammate, keeps everyone loose. Near the end of his career.

  5. Mark-Ryan says:

    MacTavish is really going to have to fashion Brodziak and Pouliot into decent PK and Faceoff guys this year if we’re going to have any hope of being as good in those areas as we have been the past three years, now.

  6. oilerdago says:

    For all his limitations Marty was rellable on face-offs, fearless blocking shots and gave it his very best each shift.

    I can accept that the kids need time to develop, but hopefully we won’t be at the end of the season saying “…if 78/51 could have one that face off we could have won the game.”

    Good luck in ATL Marty Reasoner.

  7. Doogie2K says:

    I can accept that the kids need time to develop, but hopefully we won’t be at the end of the season saying “…if 78/51 could have one that face off we could have won the game.”

    I think it likely will happen. That’s the price of developing talent now for winning in another couple of years. Better it happens in mid-November against Detroit than in mid-April against…well, Detroit.

  8. IceDragoon says:

    Good day.

    t.: I miss him already.

    Me too.

    I’ve had many things to say about Marty Reasoner over the years, usually, in his defence. He’s a helluva hockey player who’ll give everything he has to his team. Anderson is going to love his intelligence, hard work and ‘whatever coach wants, with a smile on my face’ attitude.

    Sail on Marty.
    Once an Oiler… always an Oiler.

    Unless something is brewing to bring in a vet C, MacT is stepping way outside his comfort zone in ’08-’09. The strength of our D lies in having possession of the puck and moving it quickly, especially from own zone draws. The weakness… is not having possession of the puck. *gulp*

    L8r
    Louise

  9. Asiaoil says:

    I liked Sakic a ton – but I think we do have to bite the bullet and figure out who’s a player this year at center. Look at the depth chart:

    Horcoff
    Gagner
    Cogs
    MAP
    Brodziak
    Schremp
    Brule
    OMarra
    Nash
    Eberle

    We are fine in the top 6 – but MAP and Brodziak have until Xmas to prove they can do the job on the 3rd line or a veteran can be picked up pretty easily. I think MAP will be OK between Moreau and Pisani – his size and passing are a good match for those guys – but we’ll see how it goes.

  10. doritogrande says:

    asia:

    Cogliano will more than likely line up on wing this year, Schremp has been converted to wing by the organization as of last year, and Eberle was never listed at C.

    Regarding Marty, he’s one of those guys who lives next door to the really hot chick (Oilers). They get along fine and Marty likes the hot chick and hot chick kinda has the thing for Marty but will never come out and say it for fear her peers will make fun of her. Then comes prom, and all of hot chick’s preferred dates are unavailable and hot chick goes back to ol’ reliable Marty, only to find that Marty is going with the new foreign exchange student (Atlanta). Hot chick is crushed, Marty finally gets to second base.

    Long story short, Marty will be missed. Thanks for the great years, and best of luck. I hope you get to play with Kovalchuk and score 50 points.

  11. heed says:

    I am having a hard time believing this is actually true. It’s going to be tough seeing him in a thrashers jersey for the first time. I will save my goodbyes in hopes that he is one of our deadline pickups in the race fo stanley.

  12. PunjabiOil says:

    I have a general question to all bloggers: How do you extract a table you composed from Microsoft Word and insert it into a blog entry? Thanks in advance.

  13. Asiaoil says:

    Looks like ATL gave him $1 million for 1 year – and he could indeed be a decent deadline pickup if we need help on the 3rd line and PK.

  14. Dennis says:

    Nice job on the idea that the Oil could grab him if we’re in playoff contention; he could be a guy that would take the place of 46 in some games were you’re really facing a tough draw man.

    Some good points here all around and, yes, MacT no longer has a faceoff security blanket and that’s the first time in a long time; probably pre-Reasoner, though, Jim Dowd was here at that time, wasn’t he.

    Once July 1st came and went and Marty wasn’t here, I would’ve placed good money he wouldn’t be brought back. The major problems we might endure for ’09 will all have to do with youth:

    - the fact that our blueline still doesn’t have a lot of GP when you include the kid troika of 5-36-77

    and

    - the fact that either of 51-78 will be taking big draws and pivoting a checking line to boost.

    I don’t mind it because I think there’ll be a pay-off but this is yet another — and hopefully the last considering the talent we’re weaning – rebuild.

    One of the big stories of the post 19 aftermath is who’s on the PK besides 10-34-51-18.

    If the Oilers choose to go with six killers, you’d have to think that 78-13 will round out that crew. Fellows like 46-83-89-12, these are guys we can assume won’t get close to that unit.

  15. PDO says:

    Well, with that goes the last of #3 C’s we could’ve realistically looked at.

    So, I’ll throw this out:

    Nilsson – Horcoff – Hemsky
    Penner – Gagner – Cole
    Moreau – Cogliano – Pisani
    Brodziak – Pouliot – Stortini

    The top 9 has no specific line I’d like against Iginla…

    … but also no line I’d be terrified to have on the ice against Iginla.

  16. Asiaoil says:

    PDO – Cogs will be great in that role…..in 2 years. Heady and responsible – but still too green – although LTs Dave Keon comp is looking better and better. I’ve liked this kid since day 1 – and especially since his first WJC where he clearly had a clue defensively and was willing to work at it.

    MAP or Brodziak are probably the first choices – but let the chips fall where they may. MAP better be good this year or he’s gone at the deadline – no doubt about that – this is his chance so he better grab the brass ring.

    Worst come we can always grab a vet for relatively little down the road – even Marty – as long as he brings Lehtonen with him :)

  17. Sean says:

    PunjabiOil – convert to picture or use html table? I dont know of a way to add word tables. For html tables, try looking here.

    PDO: I suspect MacT with go with a true PVP line and still have good options for the other 2 lines.

  18. Coach pb9617 says:

    Nilsson – Horcoff – Hemsky
    Penner – Gagner – Cole
    Moreau – Cogliano – Pisani
    Brodziak – Pouliot – Stortini

    The top 9 has no specific line I’d like against Iginla…

    Which is why LT is even money with his line predictions.

    Pisani and Cole with the winner of the Brodziak / Pooleeought competition.

  19. namflashback says:

    The Oiler's need for some vet C is obvious, but I can see how going from being an everyday player to a guy who is platooned into games would not have been ideal for Marty's career. That's how I would ave looked at it if I was Marty or his agent.

    If he ended up spending <50GP for the Oilers — it would have ended up being the end of his career.

    In Atlanta he is going to get top 8 ESTOI on that team, and that gives him a shot at a contract the year after.

    There will be other utility vets out there if we are 30GP and one of 78, 51, 13 can't handle the job.

    And if we get to 42 GP and a playoff berth looks possible, then a near UFA vet could be had at that time.

  20. Bill Needle says:

    “Once an Oiler… always an Oiler.”
    Does this go for Pronger, Comrie, Arnott and the rest of the fan-favourites?

  21. IceDragoon says:

    bill needle: “Once an Oiler… always an Oiler.”
    Does this go for Pronger, Comrie, Arnott and the rest of the fan-favourites?

    Actually, no. We’re very selective with this honour. Those guys will “always be once an Oiler”, tho.

  22. Alice says:

    The reasoner I like cogs too for the 3rd line is his feet will bail out his brain a few times, and will also give the line a nice bit of counter-punch threat. If he breaks for a few they’ll have to learn not to cheat on him. Agreed faceoffs will be key to success, though.

  23. Asiaoil says:

    I don’t know – that 39.5% FO number for Cogs is seriously fugly – and it’s no small sample (over 500 tries). I doubt he keeps up the 18%+ shooting percentage either (basically double both Gags and Rooobets numbers). I like the kid but he’s my pick for sophomore slump.

    Faceoffs are one area where I feel we will miss Stoll unless Brodziak (51.5%) or MAP (47.7%) can step it up – and this is one area where Brodziak seems to have an advantage. Penner’s not half bad (55%) on almost 200 tries – might be a reason to play him with Gags and Nilsson on the 2nd line.

    Think Adam Oates would want to school the kids in TC?

  24. Robert says:

    Hey, I have nothing bad to say about Reasoner as he was the consumate team player. With that said, I don’t feel that he is much of a loss either. I think the team has enough ‘reliable guys’ in crunch situations and that Marty simply takes a spot away from other players who have the potential to develop into something more. I wish him the best of luck in Atlanta, but I would not be surprised if he bounces around for a while and then disapears.

  25. PunjabiOil says:

    Thanks Sean.

  26. Traktor says:

    Didn’t Pisani play a good portion of the season as centre a couple years back?

    Probably easier to find a 3rd line RW than a 3rd line centre.

  27. Traktor says:

    *assuming the 3rd line will be a checking line*

  28. Ducey says:

    Letting Marty go is a sign that Lowe is thinking longer term about this group than just this season. Obviously they are going to go with the kids with the hope they can do some of the “little things” like PK and Faceoffs.

    I don’t think it is a coincidence that MacT always seems to have good faceoff/ PK men. I think he creates them. I have no doubt he will again over the next year or so.

  29. Schitzo says:

    Dennis: If the Oilers choose to go with six killers, you’d have to think that 78-13 will round out that crew.

    I have no problem with either of those selections – Pouliot is smart enough, and Cogs can create mayhem with that speed.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they give 27 another look after he was tossed on the PK and did surprisingly well.

    And I think they either need to get 83 some PK ice time, or double-shift him with Gags-Nilson while Horc and Cogs both catch their breath

  30. Bohologo says:

    Anyone else prepared to consider now that the Weight trade wasn’t all that bad? Given the circumstances (Weight handcuffing Lowe with a short list of teams, the writing on the wall with regard to his salary demands and the obvious need for a trade), was Reasoner a good return? Along with Hecht, that is.

    I’m not sure: he never put up the numbers his draft position promised, and while Hecht returned a decent sent of picks, and even if Weight never really earned any of his future paycheques, I can’t help but remain disappointed that the best center Edmonton had since Messier left town couldn’t bring more back. Maybe if Lowe had waited until the trade deadline and garnered the sort of return Clarke got for Oates?

  31. Traktor says:

    Lupul just got locked up. 4 years at 4.25 per.

  32. Schitzo says:

    Wow, apparently 4.25 really is the going rate for 20 goal scorers

  33. Black Dog says:

    ah, fuck that guy.

    Lupul, not Marty.

  34. HBomb says:

    Lupul just got locked up. 4 years at 4.25 per.

    I’ll take “things that make Hemsky’s deal look like a bargain” for $200, Alex!

  35. PDO says:

    Lupul at 4.25?

    That has train wreck written all over it.

    Was it Stoll and JDD or Stoll and Greene we got for Hecht?

    I simply ask because I’m curious if we got Lubo in a roundabout way for Hecht.

  36. Lord Bob says:

    pdo: Stoll and JDD.

  37. PunjabiOil says:

    Lowetide, you are “The Rock” of the Oilogosphere. You hold the charisma in the same manner “The Rock” used to.

    How else can you explain 38 comments and counting, from a 2 line piece?

  38. PDO says:

    IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME IS.

  39. Dennis says:

    Does Philly want to sign Everyone? Look at what Horc’s making and what his role already is and then look at Lupul and what is role is right now and forever has been?

  40. David says:

    Lupul’s deal isn’t bad, actually. He had very good numbers before the lock-out, and is a guy who can get you thirty goals a year.

    Come on guys. This is a player who has had one off year out of three, and that just happened to be with us. Give the kid a break; he’s earned a nice contract.

    Though from the Flyer’s perspective, you would think they could have had him for around 3.75 instead of 4.25 if they had pushed.

  41. HBomb says:

    Lupul’s deal isn’t bad, actually. He had very good numbers before the lock-out, and is a guy who can get you thirty goals a year.

    Come on guys. This is a player who has had one off year out of three, and that just happened to be with us. Give the kid a break; he’s earned a nice contract.

    Though from the Flyer’s perspective, you would think they could have had him for around 3.75 instead of 4.25 if they had pushed.

    For the complementary players playing against nobodies, there’s got to be a cap on what you spend.

    Guys like Lupul, Huselius, Comrie etc. shouldn’t be earning more than 3-3.5 million a year. At the most.

    Hell, I even think Corey Perry is grossly overpaid at 5 million plus, because he’s not the guy driving the bus on his line – Getzlaf is clearly the difference maker there. Is Perry really anything more than a whinier, cheaper version than Lupul? Maybe I’m the only one who thinks so, but no, he’s not.

  42. oilerdiehard says:

    Lupul’s deal isn’t bad, actually. He had very good numbers before the lock-out, and is a guy who can get you thirty goals a year.

    Yeah he re-found his scoring touch and that is certainly worth something. Anymore 4 million bucks does not get you that much.

    But I watched him lots in Philly he still sucks defensively and is dog meat along the wall. He can not get a puck out of the defensive zone to save his life. Late in games with a 1 goal lead I found myself still frustrated watching him.

  43. Bruce says:

    If the Oilers choose to go with six killers, you’d have to think that 78-13 will round out that crew. Fellows like 46-83-89-12, these are guys we can assume won’t get close to that unit.

    I’m in the camp that I wouldn’t mind seeing Hemsky get some time on the PK. Of course I’m of the old school that used to revel in seeing Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, and Tikkanen do serious damage 4v5; nothing like an offensive threat going the other way to make those point men just a tad less aggressive.

    Cogliano fits the blueprint of a good PK guy, with the speed to cause trouble on the counterattack. And don’t forget about Erik Cole, who spent time on the PK unit in Carolina over the years and has 7 career shorties to prove it.

    It’ll be interesting to see whether Buchberger gets a significant role working with the PK unit. He was a fine penalty killer, usually paired with MacT himself, but if Bucky’s the man they probably won’t be thinking much about offence.

  44. Doogie2K says:

    if Bucky’s the man they probably won’t be thinking much about offence.

    Isn’t that the same fallacy that leads to, “MacTavish can’t coach a young, offensive team?” I mean, sure, Bucky didn’t exactly have soft hands as a player, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he wouldn’t encourage the boys to go for it if they had the puck.

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