Flames at Oilers, Pre-Season G5

This is Drew MacIntyre. He’s one of 31 MacIntyre’s I could find in history who have played at any kind of measurable level. Drew McIntyre is the only player with that last name (as spelled here) who has played in the NHL.

Steve MacIntyre could change that and double the representation. Incredibly, he could do it as an Edmonton Oiler.

It’s unlikely based on the live audio from Kevin Prendergast over at the Oilers site. Prendergast is a fellow who makes Sparky Anderson-level claims about various prospects in the system and stretches the accepted boundaries of hyperbole weekly.

His comments on Steve MacIntyre border on hilarious. They made me laugh out loud, as this is a guy who can’t be heard uttering a negative sound most days. Listen if you get a chance, a real knee slapper.

Can MacIntyre make the club? Probably not. The guy isn’t really an NHL player and would bugger up the pairings severely.


MacIntyre (with the Rocky Burnette hairdo) is an extremely talented fighter and as such has a role on pro hockey teams from sea to sea.

The question is “does he have an NHL application?” and I can’t see it.

Not on a MacTavish team. Right? He rolls 4 lines, he likes to use all 6 defenders. He plays the entire roster.

Right?

Unless he plans to double shift Horcoff or send out Deslauriers and use the 14F as a “dead zone” for opponents like Calgary and Minnesota, it seems to me young Mr. MacIntyre will be placed on waivers again in the next few days and belong to another NHL team or play in Springfield very soon.

A cup of coffee Friday, and another long flight.

Right? Is this a MacT player?

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85 Responses to "Flames at Oilers, Pre-Season G5"

  1. doritogrande says:

    According to the lines posted in one of the threads at oilersnation, the 4th line features Carl Corrazzini.

    Can someone please refute this. I would like to know who’s playing.

  2. NBOilerFan says:

    Sounds like KP was just being honest for once to me and it sounds like they figured MacIntyre was at least worth a closer look, which I also agree. Worst case scenario, they send him back out and he ends up on another team or in Springfield.

    Did you see MacT’s video, LT?

    MacT: “The bottom line is… we need to be able to protect our skill in a way that we havn’t done the last little while and if your gonna be a good team you gotta protect the skill on your team.”

    IMO, MacT either truly believes they need a dominate intimidator or he was challenging the other tough prospects (not to mention Stortini) to step up their game and play this part.

    Does MacIntyre make the team? Not likely, and after all the talk about not enough room for the 3-4 prospects that are already NHL ready and fighting for the last roster spot or two, it’s hard to imagine they would keep MacIntyre and create more of a bottleneck. That is unles sthey have decided to move some of these bodies out?

    But personally, I like the idea of keeping MacIntyre for the Flames and Wild games… etc. I’m damn tired of seeing Hemsky get run, let alone now we have Gagner, Cogs and Nilsson to worry about. And with Moreau and Souray being given the red light on fighting, that doesn’t leave much for options…. Stortini, perhaps Roy and Strudwick, and I don’t think anyone was giving Lefebvre a high percentage to make the club.

    Not much for intimidation there.

  3. Sean says:

    I havent listened to the comments from KP but I dont see why you’d take a guy and put him on waivers. Watch this fight clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xfDqaIGmw.

    - In the 2nd fight he switches hands multiple times.
    - In the 3rd fight he runs in there and steps in for another teammate.
    - He isnt scared to get hit

    But he’s a defensemen. I cant see the Oilers playing 7 D. Who knows.

  4. Dennis says:

    Usually, I can come up with some angle on why the Oilers make the move they’ve made but in this case the only way this makes sense is if the Oilers have decided to:

    - farm both of Brule and Schremp and go with MP-Lyle Alzado as the 12 and 13 and then we can easily pick the games that Lyle plays in.

    - they’ve got a deal lined up for 78 and they’ve officially cut bait on him.

    I mean, I heard MacT say today he believes the Oilers now have enough talent where they can afford to really only play 11 forwards; he also mentioned he could use Penner or Hemsky in the role to get them more time.

    As for tonight, why is Corazzini playing instead of hopefuls like 78 and Truk or even a vet trying to play his way into game shape like 18?

  5. doritogrande says:

    I know a bit about your picture MacIntyre, LT. He played for the Moose for two seasons. Beat out incumbent Wade Flaherty in the post-season his first season in, and was good enough to beat out Cory Schnieder from the starters role last year. He’s got a good career in front of him as either a stellar AHL tender or as a decent back-up option. I’m actually surprised Vancouver didn’t keep him around to back-up “captain” Luongo this year. He would have been a cheaper, and IMO, better option than Sanford.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: That’s a good point. This could spell the end for Pouliot if they decide the team can run with the universal top 9 plus Brodziak and Stortini.

  7. doritogrande says:

    Of course, we are all assuming Stortini makes the team. Do we need a light-heavyweight now that we’ve got a super?

    Is it Stortini’s job that’s now on the line?

  8. Black Dog says:

    according to Ireland he’s got a ticket to Springfield to add some muscle there

  9. Ribs says:

    Ryan Flinn 2.0….Yay….

    Unless this guy destroys someone he’s not going to make the team. Even if he did crush someone, he’d have to show that he can skate faster than a 5th grader.

    let’s just move on. This is nothing.

  10. doritogrande says:

    Okay, so I just saw Corrazzini put on a sweater. Did he, or did he not get sent down in the first round of cuts? Did he not fall victim to the Lowetide curse?

  11. doritogrande says:

    Louie Debrusk is definitely not “TV pretty”.

    Huge nose, and beady eyes not quite spaced far enough from each other.

  12. doritogrande says:

    Tyler Spurgeon just keeps impressing. Could he be this year’s Liam Reddox?

  13. Ribs says:

    dorito – Yea, Corazzini was cut earlier… doesnt mean he can’t come back up.

  14. doritogrande says:

    Thanks ribs. I didn’t know he could be recalled.

    An observation: If we’re allowing Gagner and Nilsson to kill penalties in the preseason (they were the second unit out after Horcoff/Cogliano on the first PK), why can’t Hemsky? Certainly he’s got more defensive awareness than the two of them combined.

  15. doritogrande says:

    Fuckin Ugly.

  16. doritogrande says:

    …and no sooner do I ask for Hemsky on the PK, so do I recieve.

  17. B.C.B. says:

    I have spend the last couple hours doing research, crutching numbers, watching hockey fights, and typing up a blog, and this what I’ve got out out it:

    Stortini is consent at every level and knows his role.
    Lefebvre has seen his fighting as secondary and only now embracing that role.
    MacIntyre is a complete liabitity and spends his time either in the pressbox or floating between leagues.
    But Lefebvre and macIntyre throw the punches more then Huggy Bear.

    For more stats I wrote it all up at:
    http://bringingbacktheglory.blogspot.com/

  18. doritogrande says:

    I know it’s preseason and what not, but that’s the worst Oilers PP I’ve seen in a long, long while.

  19. Lord Bob says:

    How is this comment nineteen and I’m the first one to mention that there’s a pretty decent ballgame going on to determine who makes the postseason in the American League Central and, maybe, finally get one of the five greatest players of any of our lifetimes a World Series appearance.

  20. doritogrande says:

    lord bob:

    It’s because I live in Canada. Sorry.

    Having two of our three pairs projected to start the season on defense, we’re seriously fucked if they continue to play like this. Gilbert/Grebeshkov simply cannot find chemistry this preseason and are due for a fall of catastrophic proportions. Peckham’s been playing better than these two IMO, and that’s not exactly a ringing endorsment. Visnovsky’s play has not impressed me, he’s made many more bad pass turnovers than decent passes to start the rush. I miss Joni Pitkanen.

  21. Lowetide says:

    Cora-freaking-ZINI!!!!

  22. doritogrande says:

    E: 37.

  23. Sean says:

    I think this allows Stortini to fill in 46-89-12 or 46-10-83 when it hits mid-December and they need momentum for a couple shifts. Brodziak will still get the PK minutes. I just dont like the idea of an enforcer you cant put on the ice cuz he’s a defensive liab. If he was a forward it could work.

  24. Dennis says:

    Why isn’t 78 starting this game and seemingly has Corazzini in his stead? Does that mean he’s dealt tomorrow?

    Just a brutal fucking period by the Oil. Primeau hit the pipe and the refs robbed the Flames of another goal and the Oilers aren’t even close.

    You had back to back brutal clearing attempts on the first goal by 44 and 71 and then 37 looked like a monkey on the scoring chance to end the period.

  25. ryan says:

    yeeesh….. that was ugly. never a good sign when spurgeon is your best player, but good on the kid. kid line has shown some glimpses and brule with a couple of hits (and a missed assignment). the next 40 better get better for the top line

  26. Lowetide says:

    Oil certainly look a step slow everywhere tonight. Brule had some jump when we saw him. Turnovers everywhere including a couple from Schremp. Peckham with some nice hits but then a terrible giveaway.

    Ah, rookies.

  27. doritogrande says:

    3-line could do with some talented youth and the 2-line would do nicely with some grit to separate the puck.

    If we were to run with:

    COL-HOR-HEM
    NIL-GAG-BRU
    PEN-COG-PIS
    MOR-BRO-STO

    I think we’d stand a chance at winning more games this year. Brule brings something this team simply doesn’t have, a crasher. He’s still young and needs to be sheltered however, but he has the finesse to keep the kid-line humming. Cogliano’s eventually going to take that Marchant role, why not bite the bullet this year and give him the development time.

    The 77-37 pairing has shit the bed tonight. Plain and simple. I don’t think we can count on them to handle top-4 assignments yet this season. 71 is making bad passes by the bucketful and actually seems lost on the PP with Souray.

    I’ve seen a lot this preseason, and it equates to the Oilers not contending for the Division as some are suggesting.

  28. Lord Bob says:

    If Pouliot is traded, why not announce it today? I think it’s just the staff sending a message, or possibly a nagging injury.

  29. Lowetide says:

    They play Friday in Calgary. Maybe Pouliot is going to center Penner and Stortini on what will be the de facto 4line?

  30. B.C.B. says:

    If your where a GM: what would give k-lowe/tambo for Pouliot?

    I wouldn’t give him more then a fourth round pick ’09, or maybe a failed 2nd round prospect? No more.

  31. doritogrande says:

    LT: 4.25M$ on the 4th line? Brian Burke is laughing maniacally.

  32. doritogrande says:

    And Peckham comes crashing back down to earth.

  33. Black Dog says:

    Am I a bad fan for caring so little about this? Bring on the season!

  34. doritogrande says:

    Pat:

    If what I’ve seen from preseason is an indicator of what to expect in the regular season, I may just pull off a 4.0 GPA.

  35. therealdeal says:

    Could Schremp have tried any less to stay onside on that play with Pouliot? I seriously think he went offside intentionally.

  36. doritogrande says:

    Take it to the bank. Grebeshkov and Gilbert are going to be an epic fail this year. What kind of defense was that, on a Powerplay for chrissakes.

  37. ClaytonMagnet says:

    Hemsky HAS TO MAKE THAT.

  38. Coach pb9617 says:

    Hey? Who ordered the 2006 Edmonton Oilers?

  39. Bob Arctor says:

    Game is being streamed here:
    http://www.justin.tv/rags_2riches

    For those outside Sportsnet west region.

  40. Lowetide says:

    I think when they said they were taking the weekend off they MEANT they were taking the weekend off.

    Rip Van Winkle out there tonight.

  41. doritogrande says:

    Roli’s gotten his game’s worth of rubber in. Let’s see Dubnyk.

  42. doritogrande says:

    So, Lord Bob, what channel’s this baseball game on?

  43. Lowetide says:

    I’m hoping the MacT post-game comments show up before bedtime. Because last week didn’t matter but this is starting to look a little wonky here.

    I think it’s time to put Horcoff with Penner and Hemsky and find Cole some people.

  44. doritogrande says:

    Finally it’s a “battle of alberta”

    Thank you Roy. Both of you.

  45. Lowetide says:

    Roy is a nice player.

  46. ClaytonMagnet says:

    At least Peckham looks like he cares.

  47. doritogrande says:

    Lefebvre could be a nice project in the Stortini mold. He cycles very well and doesn’t appear to have much quit in his game.

    The fastest player in the NHL just got caught on a breakaway? Something’s rotten in the world of Bettman.

  48. B.C.B. says:

    I didn’t realize that Lefebvre is 68. I find this ultra ironic because the famous french philosopher Henri Lefebvre is consider one of the fathers of the student revolts in Franch of ’68.

    But the oiler lefebvre is been quite good, since I found that feed (thanks Bob Acrtor), I hope he fights tonight to keep up with MacIntyre.

  49. spOILer says:

    5 games into the pre-season, and we’ve been out-hustled 5 straight times.

    Giveaways even worse than the legs tonight.

    With Schremp and Brule both in the line-up, we have far too many waterbugs not fast enough to overcome their lack of size.

  50. Dennis says:

    Yeah, I thought that was a bit of interference by Giordano as well but then again 10 was a little tired.

    Some other stuff:

    - Glencross sounds more than just a bit bitter about being put on the Oilers backburner during the summer.

    - I don’t like saying this but I think the Flames might have something in that Glencross-Moss-Boyd line.

    - 71 looks more like a skater than a dman and Souray can’t handle the puck; he never really could but I’m just throwing it out there.

    - the third goal was terrible; Roli’s been hung out to dry as well

    - not sure if a lot of you have watched many Kings telecasts but Debrusk has the exact same cadence as Kings colour guy Jim Fox.

    - I thought it was funny that the requisite reaction shot of Oilers MGMT was Kevin Lowe after the 4-0 goal; but, then someone in the truck screamed, “Remember, we are supposed to be playing along with the ruse that Tambellini is the new GM.!!”

    And then they showed Tambo;)

  51. Coach pb9617 says:

    I think it’s time to put Horcoff with Penner and Hemsky and find Cole some people.

    As two very intelligent people have been saying since, oh, about the day Cole was signed :)

  52. Traktor says:

    LOL @ MacTavish calling up Corrazzini. What a tool.

    Tyler Spurgeon is a better hockey player than Pouliot. No doubt about it.

  53. doritogrande says:

    Steve Staios and Ladi Smid are going to get hung out to dry all.season.long.

    My money’s on 77-37 being the de-facto 3rd pair by the second game of the season.

    The play of Brule, Spurgeon and to a lesser extent Chorney have been the only highlights of preseason for me.

    THANK GOD. It’s finally time we see Dubnyk!

  54. Ribs says:

    Wow. What a shit game this is.

    Only bright spots so far have been Cole’s play and Roy trying to wake his team up.

    I wish someone would learn quick to crash the net when Cole goes screaming down the boards and passes to the slot. It’s his patented move for crips sake! Throw Cogs on there with him maybe.

    Souray and Visnovsky together just isn’t going to work. Of course this means we will see them together for at least half the season.

    Roloson looks brutal.

    Brule and Schremp remind me of Torres and Stoll last season…they just seem to be running around hitting things and are useless once they get the puck.

    Bleh… Hopefully this period has more to be happy about.

  55. B.C.B. says:

    Did Grebs just hit someone?

    If he did that more often he’d be a better player.

  56. ClaytonMagnet says:

    Lefebvre on the top line, and lookey there! lol.

  57. doritogrande says:

    Get Spurgeon a real jersey. He’s played his way into the logjam of players vying for that 12th spot.

  58. doritogrande says:

    That was a brutal game. And with the majority of our lineup too. I think it’s time for the fanbase to start going all “TML”.

  59. Dennis says:

    MacT said he’d got vet in this one and then lean more to the kids on Fri in Cgy but do you want to take the chance on getting railed again and then all of a sudden go vet in Dal on Sunday and say, “OK, we’ll start winning now.”?

    I can’t put my finger on it but something just seems very off about the club. It lacks work ethic but seems to carry a feeling of entitlement; it’s almost as if they feel last year’s strong finish will carry over as long as they lace ‘em up.

    There have been enough lacklustre efforts now where you have to wonder if something’s up.

  60. rickibear says:

    “If we were to run with:
    COL-HOR-HEM
    NIL-GAG-BRU
    PEN-COG-PIS
    MOR-BRO-STO”

    1. Coles speed is suited for Cogliano.
    2. Why break-up PenHorsky
    3. Brodziaks offensive ability(2.09pts/60)30th best EV center in the league is wasted on the fourth line.
    4. We have three incredible passers:(Hemsky, Gagner, Nilsson) put one on each line.
    5. Nilsson had a 2.29GA and Pisani had a 2.74 could easily protect Brodziak who will flourish offensively.
    6. Brodziak was is our best PK guy and his EV GA/60 is more a reflection of linemates.
    7. We need Penners presence in front of the net on the PP. Penhorsky
    7. Brule needs to be in the AHL. Not on the fourth line. Tons of minutes.
    8. Spurgeon and Pouliot can fill a 4th line center role. Spurgeon a defensive presence. Pouliot was able to generate offense with limited minutes at the end of the year.

    grebs-souray on PP#2
    gilbert-visn on PP#1

    Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Cole-cogliano-Gagner
    Nilsson-Brodziak-Pisani
    Moreau-Spurg/poul-stor/poul

    Roll these lines the next two games.

  61. spOILer says:

    Dennis: I agree, seems like they’re expecting teams to bring less in the pre-season.

    Although I wonder how much of the pre-season troubles have been a result of the softies seeing the touhgies. Seemed to me the Kids saw a fair amount of Uginla tonight.

    And they had better get the PP figured out again.

  62. doritogrande says:

    rickibear:

    Those lineups aren’t bad either. Would the level of competition go 1-2-3-4 in terms of taking on the toughs?

  63. Lowetide says:

    I think this game gets thrown out. They had the weekend off, right? That was my understanding. Well it certainly looked like it.

    The Oilers haven’t been incredible in pre-season but they’ve been in games. Tonight was truly horrible, let’s see how they do Friday.

  64. Dennis says:

    Slipper: Yeah, I noticed that matchup tonight as well. I was thinking that MacT pretty much said “fuck it” tonight when it came to matching lines.

    As for the PP, the first hint would be that Souray only touches the puck on one-timers;)

    Overall, though, even with the head-nod to the fact we’re not matching lines, it just seems like the team’s waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen.

  65. spOILer says:

    They also seemed unwilling to dump the puck in with the Flamers standing them up at the blue line every chance they got (especially with the lead).

    Dump ins usually mean forecheck and cycle and we didn’t have the team size tonite. The waterbugs lost a lot of battles below the Flame hashmarks.

    Kid Line is going to have to figure out what to do since everyone will be standing them up this year. Have to use their speed to get behind the defense, draw penalties, which means Gagner should be carrying the puck through the neutral zone and doing the dumping.

  66. rickibear says:

    “Those lineups aren’t bad either. Would the level of competition go 1-2-3-4 in terms of taking on the toughs?”

    2-3-1-4 but not by EV minutes
    13-12-12-8.
    But if we go from 7.5 PPmin/GM to 11.5 then it should be
    12-11-11-7 with the bottom three being able to play large PK minutes. Moreau-Spurgeon-??????

  67. dubya says:

    Well, not much to evaluate. Calgary looked good, great forecheck. Edmonton looked lethargic and unable to deal with the forecheck. Calgary did a great job getting their sticks in passing lanes.

    Oiler player reviews:

    Roloson: two weak goals, poor night
    Dubnyk: looked good, covers the net well

    Gilbert: looked like end-of-the-year Gilbert. Not a good thing
    Grebs: looked more like early-season Grebs. Not a good thing, but had some good moments.
    Roy: good fight, otherwise not an NHL player
    Peckham: Needs more seasoning, but had some nice physical play
    Souray: didn’t look like he gave a ****, some nice breakout passes
    Visnovsky: chaos tonight

    Gagner, Nilsson, Cogs: OK, decent pressure at times but still poor defensively
    Horcoff: looked disinterested, poor on faceoffs, missing a gear
    Hemsky: absolutely disinterested
    Cole: out of sync, didn’t show much tonight
    Schremp: quits skating at the offensive blueline. One nice pass, otherwise not good enough. Send him to the AHL for half a year more.
    Brule: looked good but ended up -3. Flash is not substance, I’d send him to the AHL with Schremp
    Corazzini: not an NHL player, ever.
    Lefebvre: good grinder, no quit. KISS player, definitely worth an AHL contract
    Moreau: looked disinterested at times, had some good grinding shifts later in the game. No intensity, but its preseason.
    Spurgeon: decent game, not ready yet but might be an option later in the season. 66-68-18 was likely the Oils best line tonight (which is a bad, bad thing)

    Overall, the vets didn’t look good, rookies didn’t look ready for the big show. For Calgary, I though Glencross, Moss, and Boyd looked good. Phaneuf had his moments and McElhenny (or however you spell it) had a decent game without being tested a bunch. Oilers looked like they needed practice…why didn’t they have practices all weekend? MacT should stop worrying about looking stale and start worrying about looking like an ECHL team. Early, yes. Important, yes, especially for a young team.

  68. dubya says:

    Turns out Brule was even, not -3 (NHL.com had him at -3 after the 2nd for some reason, or I misread it). That makes his night look a lot better, though I still think a stint in the AHL might be in his best interest. That said, he’s probably shown more than Poo.

  69. Traktor says:

    What the hell is the point of having a player like Ethan Moreau if you don’t want him to fight? I don’t understand that. We need a middle weight that can play real minutes and we have one in Moreau but he isn’t allowed to fight? What a waste.

    Moreau was outplayed by 66 and 68 tonight. I know it’s only 1 game but I think the only thing that is keeping Moreau on the team at this point is he’s the captain.

    I bet if it was Pouliot who made that back to back block shot on the PK he would have his own blog entry within the hour.

    Another flawless game from Spurg tonight. Pouliot is done. Just is.

  70. Lowetide says:

    MacT’s postgame:

    1. Dismal
    2. Two days off
    3. Wake up call
    4. D turned over the puck virtually every time they touched it.
    5. Spurgeon was the best forward tonight. He does everything right, he got lots done offensively. He’s not out of the mix.
    6. Bounce back tomorrow, have a good practice.
    7. Have to prepare in a fashion we haven’t done so far.
    8. The veterans have to show they’re ready, he hasn’t seen enough of that from his veterans to go with rookies in Calgary.

  71. ClaytonMagnet says:

    Everyone relax. Still preseason. All seasoned, veteran teams know how to turn it on when it matters. It’s understandable for veteran players to take a night off now and then, especially when you consider how much they’ve accomplished over the last few seasons. Who can blame them? I mean, even their own coach is pumping their tires. No urgency here.

  72. DeBakey says:

    "back to back block shot"

    So why didn't Spurgeon go to the bench instead of standing there with no stick & one working leg?

    "Go to the damn bench!!"

  73. Bank Shot says:

    Claytonmagnet: The Oilers aren’t a veteran team, and somehow I doubt they can just flick the switch and start rolling over the league.

    Their season could hinge on their first 20 games with 15 being on the road. They get off to a terrible start and they’ll be finished by November.

    I think Mactavish and the players should be taking the preseason alot more seriously.

  74. Asiaoil says:

    Pre-season folks – relax – if a vet got hurt everyone would be screaming about why they put themselves in that position before the real games start. Only thing I’m concerned about it the PP being junk – but what else is new.

    I have Brule making the team on merit – but he would not be hurt by going to the AHL and remembering what scoring goals is like again. The kid has skill and I’m worried about him becoming too much of a grinder when he’s got the talent to do more. Give him some offensive confidence and recall him before Christmas if he’s lighting up the AHL.

    Schremp……is he even worth a 2nd round pick anymore? Really if someone would give us a near-term UFA who would be useful on the 3rd line at center this season (like Malhotra) I’d be all over that.

  75. toqueboy says:

    in macT’s pregame audio he comments to the fact that he could have a 2-3 minutes player with this team and it would allow guys like penner and hemsky to get more ice time.

  76. NBOilerFan says:

    Dennis: “…but, then someone in the truck screamed, “Remember, we are supposed to be playing along with the ruse that Tambellini is the new GM.!!”

    I literally laughed out loud at that.

    Dubya – Great player reviews… bang on.

    I know this is preseason and obiously the weekend off was a mistake, but this is a bit scary. Bankshot is completely accurate regarding the season possibly hinging on this very tough season schedule start with so many road games.

    I have two questions;

    (1) How many cuts are made today after last nights debacle?

    (2) How much stock do we put into Roloson’s play of last night?

  77. NBOilerFan says:

    Toqueboy: “in macT’s pregame audio he comments to the fact that he could have a 2-3 minutes player with this team and it would allow guys like penner and hemsky to get more ice time.”

    Sounds like he is justifing space on the roster for MacIntyre and I’m all for it.

  78. ClaytonMagnet says:

    bank shot – I was being sarcastic. Thought that was obvious :)

  79. ClaytonMagnet says:

    Two more notes:

    - was it just me, or was the broadcast team even more homer than usual last night? “The kid line is in mid-season form”??? God, let’s hope not.

    - if I hear the phrase “too talented not to” regarding Hemsky’s potential one more friggen time…

  80. Doogie2K says:

    Glencross sounds more than just a bit bitter about being put on the Oilers backburner during the summer.

    I don’t get that. Why the fuck shouldn’t they prioritize The Free Agent of the Summer over a fourth-liner who hit a hot streak? Who does he think he is?

    There have been enough lacklustre efforts now where you have to wonder if something’s up.

    I’ve heard a theory that preseason results are not only irrelevant, but even contraindicators of regular season success. I can see where that perspective comes from, but I’m curious if it’s a real phenomenon at all. I wonder where you can find pre-season results for past years? It’s not right there on NHL.com, anyway.

    Regardless of any statistical correlations or significances, though, playing like shit this close to the real games is not a good sign, particularly with that ugly first quarter looming. My rec soccer team is more organized than that, and none of us had met each other prior to our first game three weeks ago. Sure, MacT had a lot of kids out on the PK last night (Gagner? In 2008? Really, Craig?), so you understand in that situation, but I swear the Oilers didn’t make two clean passes in a row the whole first two periods (I missed the third picking Mom up from work). Maybe Dubya is right and everyone really is just bored with preseason. Unfortunately, playing like you don’t give a rat’s ass is no way to prepare for a season. I know Moreau hurt himself trying too hard in the preseason last year, but this is no solution.

  81. Schitzo says:

    Doogie: It’s purely intuition, but I’d guess that teams with almost all veteran positions set are less motivated in the preseason than teams where there are 4-6 spots legitimately available.

    The latter describes last year’s Oilers and this year’s Flames pretty accurately.

    Of course, then the regular season rolls around, you realize you’re playing a half dozen rookies, and life gets painful in a hurry.

  82. Doogie2K says:

    @Schitzo: That’s certainly one reason. Witness 2006-07, when the Hawks and Oilers were the two best in the West at 7-1 and 6-2, respectively, en route to drafting 1st and 6th overall, respectively. Hell, last year, the Oil were 5-2 in September, then sat in 14th place from mid-October to February.

    Another thing to consider is that coaching is different in the preseason. Coaches are more inclined to be a bit experimental, even a bit cavalier. You don’t coach a late-September game against Florida the same as you would a late-March game against Vancouver, when everyone and his dog is scrambling for three or four spots.

    Plus, the sheer existence of kids and career minor-leaguers on every roster makes it hard to take the results too seriously: there are a lot of A-team vs. B-team matchups that usually lead to the latter getting clubbed like a baby seal. Sort of like the last 20 games of 2006-07.

    All that being said, I’ve already found two years of results on Yahoo!, and I’m looking for 2005-06 to complete the post-lockout dataset. Might as well see what the numbers say, eh?

  83. mjsh says:

    What an F-ing disaster last night. Yes, it is preseason, yes, 30% of the players on the ice will not play in the NHL this year. However, other than Spurgeon and Brule, not one Oiler played as if he cared. The Oiler team that was on the ice last night will be in the Taveres sweepstakes. Where is Lee Fogolin when you need him. Where is the professional pride? This was not the third game in four nights on a midseason road trip where the guys take the night off. This was the last home game of the preseason where they were playing the most hated foe.

    Yes, Spurgeon and Brule looked decent because they were fighting for jobs. The rest was a waste of some of my hard earned money. The food was terrible, the coffee was terrible and the team was terrible. And it cost me close to $250.00 to experience all that.

    I have been an Oilers fan and attended many games since day one in the WHA. Last night was the very first time that I left before the game was over.

    I was one of many who had high hopes for this team to fight for first in the division. The fat cats I saw last night are headed for the basement.

  84. Doogie2K says:

    So I went and ran those numbers I mentioned, and while I might do a post on them later this week with stats from the package we have at work, if there’s time, the simple message is, there is basically no correlation between preseason and regular season results: the first year after the lockout had a very slight correlation; the other two showed none at all.

  85. relic says:

    thanks for puttin’ out that fire doogie! looking forward to that post if you get the chance.

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