Kings at Oilers, G21/08-09

This is Marcel Dionne. He was a terrific hockey player and his sustain at the top of the scoring charts remains impressive these many years later.

The Kings have some nice players on the club that is playing tonight, but they also have some holes. Obvious holes. The National Hockey League is apparently unaware that Kings management is as close to “throwing games” as any team since the Ottawa Senators did many years ago in order to get some long forgotten phenom.

I’d say that the Kings not trying to be competitive is the biggest black eye the NHL has right now in terms of being a league that is above board, but it isn’t even close. The dreadful and clumsy handling of Brian Burke’s hiring by the Toronto Maple Leafs, much of which clearly took place while the man was the General Manager of the Anaheim Ducks, is appalling to the extreme and once again shows the NHL owners as a group are a bunch of clowns.

This bunch could learn from the CFL, and baby that’s not a compliment.

As for tonight’s game, the Oilers should win this one walking away. There are things that could cause a loss, like the new guy running someone through the boards and taking a 5-minute penalty in which the Oilers PK acts like itself.

That aside, this shouldn’t be close.

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  1. Matt says:

    The National Hockey League is apparently unaware that Kings management is as close to “throwing games” as any team since the Ottawa Senators did many years ago in order to get some long forgotten phenom.

    Nah, I think that’s way overstating it. I mean, having Denis Gauthier on your roster in 2008-09 is indefensible, but really, what’s the beef? They’re probably not the worst team in their division, let alone the league. They have some young guys getting some minutes. They need a veteran FWD, and a better more veteran DMan than Greene, but that’s an awfully long way from throwing games. Isn’t it?

  2. Julian says:

    What’s the line between “throwing games” and “developing for the future”?

  3. Swabbubba says:

    Well I had an epic comment all gone. To summarize the Oilers have this reputation/trend to sink/rise to opposition skill. Although the rise part could be definitely tossed after the Wings debacle.
    Who is this Sestito/Dorito guy does he come with Salsa?
    Back to the the thought of the day.. The Oilers are lacking many things from the glory years, can we fix one of them where is the token Finnish guy?

  4. R-Gib says:

    I don’t know what to think of LA. They have some supreme young guys, but haven’t even tried to build a decent supporting cast around them. The lack of a quality goaltender when one was obviously available (and with cap space a-plenty) is also a big head-scratcher for me.

    On another note, Stoll is having a pretty decent year for the Kings (6G, 4A, 3PPP, +5) and is keeping pace with Horcoff with less ice time ;)

  5. Darcy says:

    This year Curtis Glencross has played 22 games, has 4 goals, 9 assists for 13pts and is +3. That would be 3rd on the Oilers in scoring.

    He was the spark that set the tone for the Oiler stretch drive last year.

    Kevin Lowe couldn’t bring himself to pay 1.2M and give him 3 years.

    On the other hand Lowe had no problem signing Horcoff for 4 years at 7Mil, 6.5Mil, 6.5Mil and 6Mil.

    Horcoff currently has 5goals, 6 assits for 11 points and is +2.

    I know this is just venting, but how does Lowe let Glencross go for so little, and give Horcoff enough $$$ to handcuff his free agent signings in the next 4 years?

    I wonder what Hemsky (4.5M) think about Horcoff’s contract?

    GM’s get fired for this type incompetence. Oh wait…he got promoted and is no longer GM.

  6. R-Gib says:

    Sorry, meant PPG – not PPP.

  7. doritogrande says:

    R-gib:

    I don’t know about the lack of a decent goalie. Labarbara is very underrated and gets the job done. If he were playing on a team that had some semblance of team defense, to my eye he’d be a top-20 goalie in the NHL.

    They had a fantastic draft this year with three bona-fide NHL defenders in the first two rounds in Doughty, Teubert and Voinov. Couple that with Jack Johnson and Thomas Hickey and they’ll be dealing from an area of strength very soon.

    And that’s to say nothing of the talent they’ve got in their forward ranks. Anze Kopitar was available when LA picked only because he’s from a hockey outpost. The kid seriously should have gone top-5 but I think the Kings will take him where they got him. O’Sullivan’s taking a while to develop but he’s got the skill to be a mainstay in the top-6. And this Dustin Brown kid, he’s got to be the most intimidating Captain in the WC aside from Jarmoe. Brings everything Iginla does at a much cheaper price.

    The problem of course, is that they just can’t put it together consistently. I don’t think they need the #1 overall pick, but it’ll certainly do them well to get it. This team is like the Penguins when they got Crosby!. They’re two years away from contending with a very affordable roster. LA GM has done a fantastic job with the rebuild.

  8. St George says:

    The National Hockey League is apparently unaware that Kings management is as close to “throwing games” as any team since the Ottawa Senators did many years ago in order to get some long forgotten phenom.

    LT, I can’t agree. If their strategy is to pile up as many high-quality young players as possible through the draft by willing to suffer through some lean years, then I think this is a very rational plan and a reasonable response to the CBA.

    There are two ways that teams can become consistently good these days … the Detroit route, where you draft well, let your picks develop in the minors longer than average, keep the team together over long periods of time, and build a culture of execution, support, and trust around the coaching staff and players. That’s really hard, which is why most teams other than San Jose don’t.

    Or, you can be lousy for a number of years and stockpile top 5 draft picks until you have so many of them you can’t help but get really good. See the Penguins, Caps, potentially the Hawks, and I thought Phoenix, but maybe they need another year or two.

    The third approach – have some kids, have some vets, trade guys around, sign some free agent or two to big dough, trade some more guys – doesn’t work consistently. Teams can’t afford to pay everyone they would like to keep, so key players leave, and it is hard to plug the holes with later round draft picks and veteran free agents. There are other problems with that approach – player turnover means teams don’t have a real locker room identity – but the key point is you can’t get a critical mass of talent together that way in any consistent fashion.

    I would have much rather that the Oilers went the Kings route the last three years. It was apparent after the cup run that this team was headed down, but we did it in the worst possible way – poor enough to not really be competitive and make the playoffs, but not poor enough to really cash in for the future (didn’t help that we threw away three picks on Penner).

    Go Kings. I hope they turn into a really nice hockey club in the next few years.

  9. Matt N says:

    @ Dorito and St. George

    I also like the make up of the young Kings roster. However, the contracts handed out to Stoll and Greene seem a bit off to me.

  10. R-Gib says:

    Yes Labarbara may be a decent goalie, but the numbers don’t show it. On a pourous team like the Kings you would expect a lot of shots against – and if the tender is decent usually a good Sv%. Look at Smith in TB or Vokoun in FLA. The wins aren’t there, and the GAA is higher than their peers, but they are facing the storm every night and keeping their head above water (say 0.910 for arguements sake). Labarbara hasn’t shown that consistency at the NHL level, and the numbers reflect that.

    A year with Khabibulin would have helped I think.

  11. doritogrande says:

    Matt N:

    Agreed completely. For the kind of money the spent on those two they could have had…oh let’s just pick an example at random.

    Lubomir Visnovsky?

    …wait….

  12. Bank Shot says:

    We look down on the Kings as being a mess of a team, but they have a better goal differential then the Oilers right now.

    Food for thought.

  13. R-Gib says:

    Bank shot – yup good call. 20 games in and almost identical records. Guess we should tilt our noses back down to a reasonable level.

  14. HBomb says:

    This year Curtis Glencross has played 22 games, has 4 goals, 9 assists for 13pts and is +3. That would be 3rd on the Oilers in scoring.

    He was the spark that set the tone for the Oiler stretch drive last year.

    Kevin Lowe couldn’t bring himself to pay 1.2M and give him 3 years.

    On the other hand Lowe had no problem signing Horcoff for 4 years at 7Mil, 6.5Mil, 6.5Mil and 6Mil.

    Horcoff currently has 5goals, 6 assits for 11 points and is +2.

    I know this is just venting, but how does Lowe let Glencross go for so little, and give Horcoff enough $$$ to handcuff his free agent signings in the next 4 years?

    I wonder what Hemsky (4.5M) think about Horcoff’s contract?

    GM’s get fired for this type incompetence. Oh wait…he got promoted and is no longer GM.

    There is nothing incompetent about retaining a first-line NHL player long-term for a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. End of story.

    However, letting Glencross go WAS short-sighted, there really can’t be much debate over that right now. The Oilers lack exactly the type of player Glencross is and are not so deep at LW. Of all the moves Lowe made over the summer, this is the one that can be singled out as a screw up.

  15. spOILer says:

    Wasn’t GlenX Katz’s screw up? Didn’t they leave him unsigned because of the Hossa deal?

    Wasn’t GlenX’s agent originally asking for $2M for three, and then $1.8 for three yrs?

    Didn’t most of this Board say let him walk based on those numbers?

    Didn’t he end up walking for less money than what the Oilers offered, because the real deal was he wanted a shot at 3LW — the Flames guaranteed him that shot and we had Ethan coming back?

  16. DBO says:

    The GlenX thing was directly tied to the hossa deal. they weren’t going to sign anyone until the Hossa deal happened. And yes he wanted $2 million originally, and he came down to 3 years $1.8 per. Which at the time everyone said PFO to GlenX. That’s a lot for a 4th liner who had a good 40 game stretch. yes he was a good fit, but in a cap world you can’t pay your 4th liners more then a million.

  17. slipper says:

    The Kings have been playing better than the Oilers except that their goaltending at evens strength (.899%) has been atrocious in comparison to Edmonton’s (.931%).

    LA is in the top six in the league in termsm of overall shot differential, whil the Oil are in the bottom three.

    LA’ penalty killing percentage (83.5) is ten points higher than the Oilers (73.9%), while the Oilers’ powerplay edges LA’s by a mere 3.7%.

    The Oilers are icing a line of Liam Reddox, Tim Sestito and a 21 year old defenseman at LW; so explain to me again how it’s the Kings who are throwing games?

    “As for tonight’s game, the Oilers should win this one walking away.”

    Which Oilers?

  18. Traktor says:

    “There is nothing incompetent about retaining a first-line NHL player long-term for a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. End of story.”

    Hey look kids! There’s Big Ben! And There’s Parliament!

  19. relic says:

    Slipper: which oilers?

    the ones spector just called a bunch of pussies on TO sports radio.

  20. slipper says:

    “…the ones spector just called a bunch of pussies on TO sports radio.”

    They should strip Spector of his press pass before Zach Stortini hets word of this.

  21. HBomb says:

    Traktor: Stay out of it. Grown-ups are talking.

    You’ve already proven yourself too incompetent to be involved in any discussions surrounding Shawn Horcoff.

  22. Sean says:

    That was a very safe move by GX taking 1.2 over 3 years. If he actually thought he could stick he should have taken a 1 year deal from the Oilers or Flames. Now he’s a 3rd liner (or 2nd) getting paid like a 4th.

    At the same time, after bouncing back and forth in the minors guaranteeing a guy 3.6 million over 3 years seems tempting. I thought the Oilers did the same thing getting a bargain on Nilsson but that hasnt been the case thus far.

  23. HBomb says:

    The GlenX thing was directly tied to the hossa deal. they weren’t going to sign anyone until the Hossa deal happened. And yes he wanted $2 million originally, and he came down to 3 years $1.8 per. Which at the time everyone said PFO to GlenX. That’s a lot for a 4th liner who had a good 40 game stretch. yes he was a good fit, but in a cap world you can’t pay your 4th liners more then a million.

    But then he goes and signs with Calgary for 1.2 million? It doesn’t add up to me.

    I get the idea the whole thing about him asking for 1.8-2 million was similar to the whole “Smyth and the Oilers were only 100K apart” story. In other words, MSM BS.

    If he signed for 3.6/3 in Calgary, he probably would have signed for similar in Edmonton, IF the Oilers had offered it. Steep for a fourth-liner, but they went were after Laraque at the same time for probably similar dollars. How does that add up?

  24. Traktor says:

    “You’ve already proven yourself too incompetent to be involved in any discussions surrounding Shawn Horcoff.”

    The only thing I’ve proven in regards to Shawn Horcoff is an accurate assessment.

  25. rider guy says:

    I don’t know where the idea that LA’s a porous team is coming from. They are first in the league is shots against per game, allowing only 24.8 per. It doesn’t say anything about the quality of shots obviously, but it’s clear that they are at least limiting the quantity.

    As for having the same record as the Oil, they’ve had the opposite schedule. 14 at home and only 6 on the road. After the next 20 games the Kings should be a speck in the Oilers rear view mirror.

  26. relic says:

    “They should strip Spector of his press pass before Zach Stortini hets word of this.”

    I don’t know slipper, what hurts more, the truth or a hug?

    seriously though, this team has to be tougher to play against.

  27. spOILer says:

    HBomb…

    Glencross signed on Jul 2. Prendergast said on July 16 that the Laraque offer was made to replace Glencross once he had signed with the Flames.

  28. mc79hockey says:

    I get the idea the whole thing about him asking for 1.8-2 million was similar to the whole “Smyth and the Oilers were only 100K apart” story. In other words, MSM BS.

    Cal Nichols has said that 100K was the case.

  29. Coach pb9617 says:


    On the other hand Lowe had no problem signing Horcoff for 4 years at 7Mil, 6.5Mil, 6.5Mil and 6Mil.

    Horcoff currently has 5goals, 6 assits for 11 points and is +2.

    I know this is just venting, but how does Lowe let Glencross go for so little, and give Horcoff enough $$$ to handcuff his free agent signings in the next 4 years?

    Soooooooo if the Oilers trade Horcoff for Glencross everything will be fixed?

  30. HBomb says:

    The only thing I’ve proven in regards to Shawn Horcoff is an accurate assessment.

    Ironic.

    Saying Shawn Horcoff belongs on the 3rd line with Moreau and Pisani is about the most inaccurate thing someone who (allegedly) watches the games could say.

    Beyond that, throwing out stats without any regard for difficult of opposition and with total disregard for the concept of “sample size” isn’t exactly what I’d call an accurate assessment.

    Keep trying though.

  31. HBomb says:

    Soooooooo if the Oilers trade Horcoff for Glencross everything will be fixed?

    Brilliant. Can we do Erik Cole for Marty Reasoner while we’re at it?

  32. George B says:

    Fourth line of Reddox, Sesito and Smid huh….I am curiously excited….or had a bad burrito for lunch.

  33. HBomb says:

    Fourth line of Reddox, Sesito and Smid huh….I am curiously excited….or had a bad burrito for lunch.

    I’m getting ugly flashbacks to that Scott Ferguson-Mike Bishai-Jani Rita trio of February 2004. Ick….

  34. Darcy says:

    “There is nothing incompetent about retaining a first-line NHL player long-term for a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. End of story.”

    Isn’t is a 6.5M cap hit, or am I missing something?

    Don’t get me wrong, I think 10 is a good player and is very useful in all ends of the rink, BUT, Giving out 6.5M/year to a player with his point total history and skills just makes no sense.

    10 is a great 2nd line center, not a first line center. He simply lacks the skill to make those around him better, which is a hallmark of a 1st line player.

    His pay over the next 4 years put him in this company:

    Kovalchuk, Savard, Vanek, Iginla, Datsyuk, Elias, Drury, Spezza, Briere, Mike Richards, Marleau.

    10 is not in the same conversation as the above players.

  35. Julian says:

    Darcy, he’s 5.5 cap hit. Not in the same category as most of those guys you listed.

  36. HBomb says:

    Isn’t is a 6.5M cap hit, or am I missing something?

    5.5 million dollar cap hit, starting next year.

    http://www.nhlnumbers.com

    Not overpaid in my books. As has been discussed “ad nauseum” here before, he’s not part of the group of ~18 “elite” centers in the league, but he’s in that second tier from 19-36.

    There’s not 30 guys clearly head and shoulders above Horcoff when it comes to playing center. You add above average offensive skill to the ability to play against any other team’s top lines, and that’s a first line center in my books.

  37. Coach pb9617 says:

    Traktor: Stay out of it. Grown-ups are talking.

    You’ve already proven yourself too incompetent to be involved in any discussions surrounding Shawn Horcoff.

    The proper response is:

    “Settle down Russ.”

  38. Kent W. says:

    Horcoffs peers are:

    Mike Richards, Ryan Getzlaf, Mike Ribeiro, Olli Jokinen, Jeff Carter and Marc Savard

  39. Bruce says:

    Slipper: LA is in the top six in the league in termsm of overall shot differential, while the Oil are in the bottom three.

    RiderGuy: They are first in the league is shots against per game, allowing only 24.8 per.

    Good stuff, fellows. I just independently wrote something very similar, especially noting the shocking fact that the Kings have gone from 28th in the league in shot prevention last year to FIRST in the first quarter of this year. Blows me away. I hadn’t read anything about that anywhere and when I come back here you guys are all over it. :)

    Slipper: their goaltending at evens strength (.899%) has been atrocious in comparison to Edmonton’s (.931%).

    RiderGuy: It doesn’t say anything about the quality of shots obviously, but it’s clear that they are at least limiting the quantity.

    Aye, there’s the rub. Kings drastically reduce number of shots and both GAA and Sv% drop. Suggests they have been more successful in reducing lower percentage shots, some of which nonetheless would have gone in the net. Still, an astonishing turnaround for the perennially porous Kings.

  40. Sean says:

    Shawn Horcoff is so important this team I don’t see how we debate his salary. 89-13-78-51 down the middle? Might as well go for Hedman.

  41. Coach pb9617 says:

    Brilliant. Can we do Erik Cole for Marty Reasoner while we’re at it?

    And call up Sugartits! Yes! Then we have a playoff team!

    Penner – Sugartits – Hemsky
    The Kid line baby
    Moreau – Reasoner – Sestito
    Glencross – Brodziak – Stortini

    Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  42. Jonathan says:

    Everyone here pretty much knows my opinion on Horcoff, so I’m not going to restate it. (Although, looking at the comparables Kent came up with, 3 of those 6 are guys I’d take over Horcoff in a heartbeat, with another 2 being close).

    A question, though: does every thread here on LT’s site need to be a referendum on Shawn Horcoff, or Craig MacTavish or Kevin Lowe?

  43. Darcy says:

    Oops, didn’t see the 4M and 3M at the end of the contract.

    I stand corrected.

    I honestly thought Lowe was paying 10 the same as Datsyuk and my blood was boiling!!

  44. Traktor says:

    “As has been discussed “ad nauseum” here before, he’s not part of the group of ~18 “elite” centers in the league, but he’s in that second tier from 19-36.”

    If Horcoff isn’t in the top 15 then clearly he’s a weakness in relation to other teams 1st line center.

    Anyone with 10 brain cells should be able to conclude that if Horcoff isn’t in the top 15 then Edmonton is going to have to make up the difference somewhere else.

    Do we have top 15 goaltending? Is our defense going to make up the difference. Is our top LW going to make up the difference?

    I could understand the love if Horcoff was in the top 15, but he isn’t, and clearly 1st line center is a weakness in relation to other teams.

  45. Coach pb9617 says:

    A question, though: does every thread here on LT’s site need to be a referendum on Shawn Horcoff, or Craig MacTavish or Kevin Lowe?

    because LT refuses to ban Traktor or hunter.

  46. Darcy says:

    Currently he is the 45th highest paid center in the league and is tied for 55th in the league for scoring.

    Next year he will be the 15th highest paid…..wonder if he’ll earn it?

  47. HBomb says:

    If Horcoff isn’t in the top 15 then clearly he’s a weakness in relation to other teams 1st line center.

    Anyone with 10 brain cells should be able to conclude that if Horcoff isn’t in the top 15 then Edmonton is going to have to make up the difference somewhere else.

    Do we have top 15 goaltending? Is our defense going to make up the difference. Is our top LW going to make up the difference?

    I could understand the love if Horcoff was in the top 15, but he isn’t, and clearly 1st line center is a weakness in relation to other teams.

    If you’ve looked at IOF and the “Viscoff” post, you’ll see Shawn Horcoff isn’t exactly the “problem” with this hockey team. Anyone with ten braincells would be able to come to that conclusion, especially after taking a look at that fine piece of work by Vic.

  48. Coach pb9617 says:

    Currently he is the 45th highest paid center in the league and is tied for 55th in the league for scoring.

    Next year he will be the 15th highest paid…..wonder if he’ll earn it?

    Oh fun, a counting numbers post!

  49. godot10 says:

    The Glencross situation was unfortunate. His agent was asking for too much money in May when the Oilers were interested in signing him, and when his agent had more realistic numbers the first week in July, the Oilers were preoccupied with attempting to sign Hossa.

    33% of the blame to Glencross, 33% of the blame to Lowe and MacT, and 33% of the blame to Katz.

    When an agent is being unreasonable at a critical time, it can really screw things up. Still a GM has to be able to do more than one thing at a time when the UFA chaos begins on July 1.

  50. Coach pb9617 says:

    Things to look for tonight:
    1. Have 24 and 43 taken their heads out of their asses?
    a. If not, has Mac taken his head out of 24 and 43′s asses?

    2. How will Gagner respond to baby soft minutes?

    3. How does Lubo’s knee look?

    4. Will 78 respond to having two straight line crashers on his line? A passer should respond well to this.

  51. HBomb says:

    Will 78 respond to having two straight line crashers on his line? A passer should respond well to this.

    I am especially excited to see this line in action. I get the idea it’s going to do well, especially Mr. Cole.

  52. mjsh says:

    This is Marcel Dionne. He was a terrific hockey player and his sustain at the top of the scoring charts remains impressive these many years later.

    The absolute worst game of hockey I ever saw was in the old Pacific Coluseum in Vancouver. Dionne was in his prime. The Kings and the Canucks played with no life at all. A shinny pickup game would have been a better watch. However, the gal that took me to the game was worth it. LOL.

  53. Coach pb9617 says:

    I am especially excited to see this line in action. I get the idea it’s going to do well, especially Mr. Cole.

    If they’ve had some time to click in practice, it should click well. I centered a line like that as a kid. 6 goals and 100 assists that year. They both end up in major junior and I ended up…well, let’s just say that people don’t appreciate the set up man. Scouts dig goals.

    Poo Lee Ought is a good enough passer and has a high enough hockey IQ that he and Cole should do some good work. If Moreau skates his butt off and does garbage collection, they should be interesting to watch — provided that mac goes power vs. power with Horpensky and doesn’t ask this line to do the heavy stuff. But, given Mac’s insanity this yeah, I half-expect 78 to be his tough minutes guy for the next three months.

  54. RudyKelly says:

    Haha, did you look at the numbers from last year or something? The Kings have better peripherals than the Oilers at this point, despite losing their best defenseman from last year in the 2nd game of the season. And Anze hasn’t really gotten it going this season. I expect the Oilers to win but I don’t see where the confidence is coming from.

    @ Bruce: I think it’s not so much that the Kings are allowing good shots and more that their goaltending was abominable early in the season.

  55. Bruce says:

    @ Bruce: I think it’s not so much that the Kings are allowing good shots and more that their goaltending was abominable early in the season.

    RudyKelly: Do you mean the LaBarbera part of the season? Ersberg took over in November and things got a lot better, although both guys have seen their Sv% take a big drop from last year (LaBarbera .910 to .884; Ersberg .927 to .898).

    As noted in my blog post linked above, Ersberg has had way better percentages than LaBarbera each of the last two seasons. Pts%, GAA, Sv%, across the board. Limited sample sizes to be sure, but the numbers aren’t close.

  56. Kris says:

    Gregor at ON says Garon isn’t playing tonight.

    Madness.

    Oh, and just remember the Horc debate is not about whether he’s good, but about whether he’s worth 5.5 million or, let’s say, 4 million.

    Now, I’m not saying we did overpay, but even if we did, overpaying a guy 1-1.5 million is going to happen. In fact, it’s going to happen a lot.

    Would you rather we let him walk and see who else we could’ve lured away on the market for 5 million? How has that worked out for us so far? Yeah, I thought so.

    So suck it up kids and let’s see if Roli can earn his pension cheque.

  57. kamus says:

    Garon is riding more wood than Jenna Jameson.

  58. slipper says:

    I agree with RudyKelly. All you can really take away from that is the Kings are getting terrible even strength goaltending.

    While it’s definitely worth looking into, the quality of shot allowed isn’t represented in the save percentage or shot differential.

  59. DeBakey says:

    From Five Hole Fanatics:

    “Speaking of fantasy pools: Rene Bourque, Matthew Lombardi and Curtis Glencross might be steals for some of you in deeper leagues. The former because he might end up with Jarome at even-strength (while Langkow gets buried alive) and the other two because they seem to be doing good work on whatever line they land on. Heck, they are currently 1/2 on the Flames in terms of ESP/60.

  60. Bruce says:

    While it’s definitely worth looking into, the quality of shot allowed isn’t represented in the save percentage or shot differential.

    Slipper: It most definitely is worth looking into. My own preference is to look into it before making absolute statements like “the quality of shot allowed isn’t represented in the save percentage”. But maybe I’m misreading your meaning.

    Kamus: That made me laugh out loud.

  61. namflashback says:

    You would think that riding the wood as much as Jenna Jameson would mean you get along with a guy named Peter Peeters.

  62. HBomb says:

    This Garon thing, after reading Jonathan’s article on ON, reeks of petty bitterness by Peeters.

    And really, why wouldn’t Garon go get another goalie consultant? Peeters is the same guy who said he liked to “let Tommy (Salo) do his thing” to keep himself prepared.

    This was during 2003-04. To refresh everyone’s memory, Tommy Salo was seven shades of awful that season.

    Disgusting.

  63. Dennis says:

    This stinks like Glenn Anderson’s fist.

    Who in the sweet fuck is Pete Peeters to tell anyone anything about filling out their lineup card? And why is MacT listening to him?

    I thought things were on the up swing with the new line construction but now it’s back to Retirement Home Roli while Garon sits for slights imagined.

    It might be time for somebody to go and maybe both Peeters and MacT can fly to fuck.

  64. Jonathan says:

    HBomb: That was Jason’s excellent article, btw, as much as I would like to take credit.

    Also, whatever the wrinkles at ON, it IS nice to have guys like Gregor and Brownlee throwing that kind of information (esp. the bit about Garon’s goaltending consultant, and Peeters reaction to the same).

    I’m much more “meh” about this decision than others: Roli has a .913 SV% thus far and hasn’t been bad. That said, if this isn’t the coaching staff playing favourites, I don’t know what is. Garon hasn’t started in forever. Roli got pulled last game, it only seems fair to let last season’s #1 have another at-bat.

  65. B.C.B. says:

    Hbomb: I don’t know what Garon going out and getting his own goalie consultant would do? Wouldn’t macT still listen to Peters.

    I think SMac should go out and get his own power skating coach to work with while his face is healing (now that would be a good use of money). Stortini could help cover the cost, and maybe get back in the lineup sooner: but then again maybe he should hire Domi to teach him how to fight.

    Garon should be in the net, it could help rebuild his confidence. But maybe MacT cares about winning more, then I’d start Roli.

  66. HBomb says:


    I’m much more “meh” about this decision than others: Roli has a .913 SV% thus far and hasn’t been bad. That said, if this isn’t the coaching staff playing favourites, I don’t know what is. Garon hasn’t started in forever. Roli got pulled last game, it only seems fair to let last season’s #1 have

    Statistically, Roloson’s been OK. Long term is what this team has to be looking at – Roloson’s going to get them wins short term but is gone after this season.

    Garon, meanwhile, is probably your best hope for a starting goalie for next year and the couple of seasons beyond that. He should be getting his share of the games, and tonight should be an OBVIOUS start for him.

    Something is fishy here.

  67. Jonathan says:

    HBomb:

    Who are you kidding – Garon won’t be the starter next year. Deslaurier’s getting dealt, Garon’s going to walk, and the Oilers will resign Roloson and pick up Manny Fernandez during free agency. The Fernandez-Roloson tandem will be expected to give strong goaltending, but for the first 50 games of the year, MacTavish will give Roli preferential treatment before finally acknowledging Fernandez (whose play will be superior) as the starter. Fernandez will start two games and hurt his knee, as Lubomir Visnovsky shoves Erik Cole, in the midst of a career season in Calgary, on top of him. Roloson will finish the season, and promptly be named goalie coach following his off-season retirement. Pete Peeters will be promoted to assistant GM.

    Additionally, Devan Dubnyk will be on the NHL roster, under the guise of “getting NHL-level goalie coaching”.

    The only bright side will be that Andrew “the Genie” Perugini will get a shot at the AHL starting job, as Bryan Pitton implodes and Glenn Fisher opens and shuts the door to the player’s bench.

  68. Jonathan says:

    Also, since I’m looking into the crystal ball:

    Prendergast will replace Tambellini as G.M, with Tambellini getting promoted to President of Hockey Operations. Kevin Lowe will be promoted to President of All-Things Related to a Downtown Arena and Steve Tambellini, prompting a furious debate over who really weilds the power in the organization.

    Prendergast will speak enthusiastically in camp about Rob Schremp, Ryan Potulny and Marc Pouliot before sending them and Dustin Penner to Tampa Bay for Ryan Malone. Tampa Bay will make it to December before realizing that their 23-man NHL roster is 20 forwards, two goaltenders, and Marek Malik. They will respond by trading Marek Malik for Matt Greene.

    Also, J-F Jacques and Mathieu Roy will suffer an ice-cream headaches after ripping through a box of Mr.Freeze’s, resulting in season-ending concussions for both of them.

  69. IceDragoon says:

    Good day.

    From the horse's mouth, so to speak.

    http://oilers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=PodcastPlayer&pid=98&iid=9438

    Near the end MSM picks at scabs and MacT gets testy.

    MacTavish may not be able to read goalies… couldn't do it as a player either;-)… and, I can't explain the trust in Peeters, tho the answer probably lies somewhere in the previous comment… BUT, he generally has a good read on the, sometimes subtle, differences in team play in front of the goalies. Perhaps they show more trust in Roli.

    Who knows why the apparent 180 on Garon? But, if Garon can't take this kind of pressure, can he withstand the kind of pressure it takes to win playoff rounds? I don't know.

    I do know that the book on Garon was, and still is, "get the puck up". Why didn't his, apparently now blackballed, coach improve areas of weakness? Or, have they been working on his glove and blocker reaction to no avail all these years?

    Would I want to risk my team by investing the future in a goalie full of question marks? Not yet.

    Lot's of questions… no clear answers.

    L8r
    Louise

  70. Asiaoil says:

    I thought this bullshit was happening with Peeters – anyone with half a brain can see that he’s a dolt and useless at his job. If I was Garon I’d do the same thing – and the fact that MacT can’t understand that is very very troubling.

    The “old boys” are circling the wagons folks – and keeping their favorite players inside. This is poison for team cohesiveness and almost always is a prelude to a coaching change. MacT is gone and everyone else can follow him out the door except for Huddy.

  71. Jonathan says:

    Asiaoil:

    And the procurement team. I’d like Musil and the North American amateur scouts to hang around, and if Prendergast made it through I’d be okay with that as well.

  72. Coach pb9617 says:

    Alright, wife and kids are at the in-laws. I’ve got a case of Yuengling and an evening for the Oilers and Kings.

  73. Asiaoil says:

    I’m just talking about coaching – this team has issues that just never go away (PP) and the team is clearly divided into camps that are more or less favored by the staff irrespective of on-ice performance.

    Bucky, Moores, Peeters, Semenko – god what a mediocre bunch – but those are the guys MacT has surrounded himself with. Like I said last week – smells like end days….

  74. doritogrande says:

    “Also, J-F Jacques and Mathieu Roy will suffer an ice-cream headaches after ripping through a box of Mr.Freeze’s, resulting in season-ending concussions for both of them.”

    You can’t get an ice-cream headache from something that contains no ice-cream. You’re thinking of a brainfreeze.

    This goalie situation is just fucked up. What else can be said? After this treatment I can’t see Garon wanting to re-up with this team unless there’s a change in coaching. At this rate, I actually wouldn’t mind giving Ray Emery a shot next season. Dude’s got great underlying numbers in Russia this year; 2.02 GAA, 10 wins 4 losses, .931 SV%. Sure he’s a headcase, but there’s a lot of that going on with this team right now.

  75. Coach pb9617 says:

    The “old boys” are circling the wagons folks – and keeping their favorite players inside. This is poison for team cohesiveness and almost always is a prelude to a coaching change.

    I don’t buy it at all. You’re basing this on the Roloson v. Garon situation? If they were circling wagons, Reasoner would be on the team. A veteran RH C would be on the team. Igor Ulanov would be on the team.

    AO, I’m not sure why you’re so wrapped up in Garon, but it makes you a bit crazy.

  76. Bruce says:

    it only seems fair to let last season’s #1 have another at-bat.

    Esp. v. the team that let him go.

    Roloson’s going to get them wins short term

    Really? He’s started the last four, winning just one (3.38 GAA). JDD meanwhile got yanked after a single loss.

  77. spOILer says:

    The Little Lady’s reaction when I told her Garon’s not getting the start tonight:

    “Somebody needs to kick MacT in the fuckin balls! What the fuck is he doing? Has he lost is fucking mind?”

    And we’re generally pretty supportive of the Silver Fox around the old homestead. Sorry LT, Alabama doesn’t normally swear.

    This move makes no sense whatsoever, unless:

    a) a trade

    or perhaps,

    b) a trade

    At this point we’re to believe that goaltending assignments are handed out based on how well 3 goalies do in practice with 2 nets? That losing 3 of 4 means less than practices?

    Just doesn’t compute.

    I wonder how hurt Garon was at the end of last season when the upper half of his net was starting to get exposed.

  78. Ribs says:

    Is this really that big of a deal? They could be picking straws at this point. What’s the fuss about?

  79. Kris says:

    I’m not sure what to think anymore. But we can rule out some of the explanations for the Garon benching:

    a.) It’s possible not playing Garon is designed to limit the value of his next contract. But this seems unlikely given that not playing him makes him less likely to sign here at all. And the organization does want to win, after all.

    b.) It’s true the coach is loyal to Roli, but loyalty alone can’t explain this. (Nor does it explain Deslauriers’ long run.) If Roli plays poorly, and the team tanks, the average fan, the one who management is concerned about, will get upset. And that’s not good given that the new arena needs to be paid for. No, even MacT isn’t ballsy enough to give the starters job on the basis of pure nepotism.

    c.) It’s possible that there are ongoing trade talks over Roloson and other GM’s are willing to do the deal if Roli plays well. But this really doesn’t seem right either. Roli is a known quantity– old, declining, overpaid, and good but not great. Even a few great games wouldn’t change any GM’s ideas about Roli.

    d.) It’s possible that Garon has really, really sucked in practice. It’s also possible he’s got personal problems effecting his game: maybe Raffi-like personal problems. God help him. I suppose this is actually a rather likely scenario -given that Garon was never a proven commodity- and is also the worst case scenario for the oilers. Damn

  80. IceDragoon says:

    I wonder how hurt Garon was at the end of last season when the upper half of his net was starting to get exposed.

    spOILer: … upper half of his net was starting to get exposed?

    Perhaps Lain has some scouting reports to confirm or disprove, but I thought this was a known weakness… the only real concern with his game… and… why he came so cheap last year.

    Correct me if I’m wrong… please. At my age sometimes memory is a little fuzzy around the edges.

  81. Kris says:

    Louise: Didn’t you tell us that last game Garon didn’t play because of the flu? Your “little bird” told you?

    Was that true? Could Garon still be sick?

  82. doritogrande says:

    Falcons also playing tonight. Brule’s got a powerplay marker from Trukhno and Bisallion. Tied 1-1 in the first.

  83. IceDragoon says:

    Kris: That was some time ago.

    I was told, “He’s been recovering from a nasty flu.”, and I was under the impression it came from Peeters.

  84. Coach pb9617 says:

    Saying that Garon is riding the white horse is a little bit hunter1909. Leave that stuff to HF.

  85. Clarkenstein says:

    Hey coach where did u get the Yuengling? Like that shit!!

  86. Coach pb9617 says:

    Hey coach where did u get the Yuengling? Like that shit!!

    It’s plentiful in Pittsburgh.

  87. Kris says:

    Coach: I was trying to be over the top there: just a bit of humor. I guess it wasn’t funny. My bad. Next time I’ll make it really over the top, like “Maybe Garon has end stage syphilis”

    Nonetheless, serious personal problems could be the problem here. It fits the evidence.

  88. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: I was trying to be over the top there: just a bit of humor. I guess it wasn’t funny. My bad. Next time I’ll make it really over the top, like “Maybe Garon has end stage syphilis”

    He probably got it from Pronger’s wife.

  89. Asiaoil says:

    Coach pb9617….

    Reasoner is not on the team nor is the RH center you speak of – and that was not MacTs call. As for being obsessed over Garon…..I’ve barely mentioned the guy since he got here.

    MacT is surrounding himself with high functioning morons like Peeters more and more. Add Bucky and Semenko and that does nto exactly scream “brain-trust. Moores has been a mediocre at at best. Only Huddy seems capable and worth keeping. Player decisions are becoming more and more based on who’s with the coach and who isn’t – ignore it if you want – but I doubt MacT last until Jan 1 since this kind of stuff always happens when the coach is near the end of the line.

  90. Scarlett says:

    Every single goalie is open to the high shot. Every single one….so this is not exclusive to Garon. He got over-played last year, then hurt and now is being black-balled for some reason.

    I don’t mind the Oilers riding a hot goalie but losing 3 of 4 games it NOT hot. Put Garon or JDD in….

  91. Coach pb9617 says:

    As for being obsessed over Garon…..I’ve barely mentioned the guy since he got here.

    Is there another Asian moniker that posts about Mac’s handling of Garon and gets all raged up?

  92. Doogie2K says:

    I don’t know what Garon going out and getting his own goalie consultant would do? Wouldn’t macT still listen to Peters.

    Peeters could be a turf-warring dick and tell MacT that Garon’s gone ’round the bend or something like that.

    @JW: Funny shit.

  93. Lowetide says:

    So Roloson again. Hmmm. Garon will play one of the two games this weekend I’d imagine. That said, this is another example of coach MacT taking a different approach to his roster this season.

    And by “different” I mean Don Zimmer different.

  94. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Lots of misinformation about the Kings defense.

    GA/G: 2.75 – 11th (Oilers 3.05 – 21SST

    SA/G: 24.8 – 1st (Oilers 33.2 – 28th

    PK 83.5% – 11th (Oilers 73.9 – 29th)

    Oddly enough, their problem has been goal scoring where they rank 23rd at 2.55/G.

    Amazing what a good broadcaster Marc Crawford is.

  95. bookie says:

    Long Time MacT supporter….but starting to lose my faith.

    I am ok with this if it is part of a plan to dump Roli. Roli is a nice guy, but getting a little slow.

    Otherwise let one of the other two play. Either Garon to play through his struggles, or JDD with the hope that he becomes an NHL goalie.

    And please let a line play together for 3-4 games regardless of how they do.

    lastly, put Glencross on the fourth line to….whoops, my bad!

  96. digger says:

    Starting Rollie tonight just smacks of all-out weird.

    Never mind Garon, what I find hard to understand is why not start JDD tonight, in a game where the Oilers have nearly every conceivable advantage in their favour?

    If they were really all that interested in developing this guy at the NHL level, this was as good as game as I can imagine that you could spot him in, give him another game of NHL experience to see what he’s about.

    Oh well, if nothing else it’ll be interesting to see the fallout from this, if any.

    With the way MacT’s handled his goaltenders over the years, it’s almost like watching Catbert in a MacT-suit.

    MacT: “From this day forward, you have to use Peeters as your goalie coach.”

    Garon: “Why??”

    MacT(pauses to reflect): “Because I HATE you.”

  97. spOILer says:

    spOILer: … upper half of his net was starting to get exposed?

    Perhaps Lain has some scouting reports to confirm or disprove, but I thought this was a known weakness… the only real concern with his game… and… why he came so cheap last year.

    Correct me if I’m wrong… please. At my age sometimes memory is a little fuzzy around the edges.

    Hi Louise,

    For sure it was a known weakness, but it seemed to me one that wasn’t all that exploited by the opposition till later on last year.

    (And his biggest knock I believe over the years has been his seasonal endurance and whether he can carry the starting load over a full season.)

    Either the opposition ignored the scouting reports, or whatever Garon was doing earlier in the season to cover that hole, he was no longer doing later on (going down a split sec too early maybe?).

    When it came to crunch time, who was in net?

    NHL Players play hurt all the time, maybe Garon had been hurt for awhile and it was affecting his play. Dunno for sure, because MacT was very cryptic about it, said on March 22 that the injury surfaced at least a week ago, that it started as a little annoyance, and refused to eradicate itself. Maybe Garon wanted to play, but MacT wouldn’t play him. Can’t know for sure, but he kept him on as a backup, although he was apparently too hurt to start (till the last 5 games).

    And that’s why I was wondering how hurt he really was. One day MacT was saying Garon would be available (the last matchup in March) and then Roli starts, Sakic ties it with 6 seconds left and beats us in the shootout.

    Not playing him tonight goes beyond confidence issues in Garon, into absolute neurosis, unless injury or trade are part of the picture.

    The difference between either of them starting tonight can’t be much better than a coin flip given most recent performances, Garon needs game work, they’re not a top opposition team (a good easer into the bath water), and it’s a chance to pay back his old team.

    There’s not that much pressure on this one game that could make a minor lack of confidence even an issue.

    Or is there?

  98. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    The youngest player ever to play in the NHL and a former head coach of the Oilers had passed away.

    Bep Guidolin dead at 82.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=257404

  99. boopronger says:

    I dont post much but i read alot and was pretty sure Traktor said he wasnt gonna post anymore. Guess he just couldnt help himself.

  100. doritogrande says:

    Falcons are now down 4-2 after 40 minutes. Dubnyk’s got 25 saves already, so I’d wager it’s not exactly his fault the team’s down. Slava Trukhno with a goal and an assist to lead the Birdies.

  101. spOILer says:

    March 13, Garon pulled against COL after letting 3 early ones in. Roli starts the next few games, with Garon as backup. Nothing said.

    After losing 4-1 to VAN in a big game that Garon was expected to start, MacT starts talking about the little annoyance that stopped Garon from being ready.

    Then he says Garon’s starting at COL, but instead Roli starts, gets eaten by Sakic and a couple of days later Garon’s on the IR.

    Now that could all be legit, another Oiler misdiagnosis, but sheesh it’s damn hard to tell from today’s context.

    If it’s injury he’s lied about it before, but then why has Garon been on the bench this time?

    Injury, Trade, or one over-sized neurosis.

  102. godot10 says:

    MacT’s job is on the line. He is going to play the goaltender he has confidence in. Roloson has two deep runs into the playoffs, one of which was for MacT. I’m not saying it is right, but it is what it is.

  103. slipper says:

    Eberle!

  104. doritogrande says:

    Dubnyk’s now let in 6 goals on 34 shots. Perhaps it’s a bit his fault after all.

    Schremp now joined the two point night party with a second assist on MacDonald’s 3rd of the year.

  105. Coach pb9617 says:

    This Pens / Isles game is insane.

  106. Coach pb9617 says:

    And Montreal is easily handling Detroit and making them look bad.

  107. Kris says:

    Anybody know if this game is on-line? Link?

  108. bookie says:

    MacT’s job is on the line. He is going to play the goaltender he has confidence in. Roloson has two deep runs into the playoffs, one of which was for MacT. I’m not saying it is right, but it is what it is.

    That’s probably the best interpretation. I do believe that MacT tends to make a lot of judgments on emotion. The MacT weirdness that we are seeing may be the result of him not handling the pressure of the job axe hanging over his head (whether it is or not).

  109. Bob Arctor says:

    Game is streamed online at tsn.ca
    or here:

  110. doritogrande says:

    Eberle with two goals in the ADT game tonight. the WHL selects are up 4-0 after two periods.

  111. doritogrande says:

    The Big Rock espresso stout is chilled. The Oilers mug is out. The homework is done. GOILERS!

  112. slipper says:

    Someone from around these parts said that Eberle needed to score two goals in this Russian game.

  113. Coach pb9617 says:
  114. doritogrande says:

    Sweeeeet. Ray Ferraro.

  115. doritogrande says:

    MacT’s apparently running power v power early in this game. Pouliot line vs Stoll line to start the game, then Horcoff line vs Kopitar line.

    Yay! We’re sheltering the kids again!

  116. goldenchild says:

    Finally 78 gets his shot, i was at the Canucks game that Cole got thrown out of,up until that point 78-26 looked very good together. Big game for Poo

  117. doritogrande says:

    I like Tim Sestito already. A man with modest goals.

  118. doritogrande says:

    Moreau with a generous 4-minute high sticking penalty. We’re going to get Stoll’d pretty early tonight.

  119. doritogrande says:

    Jason Strudwick saves a goal.

  120. doritogrande says:

    We finally are told why MacT is using Gagner on the PK. Ray Ferraro, we miss you. Please come back.

  121. doritogrande says:

    Erik Cole draws another penalty. Great tenacity on the PK.

  122. doritogrande says:

    And there’s Rebound. O’sullivan scores.

  123. Coach pb9617 says:

    Yay. Gagner on the penalty kill. Alright!

    Oh, nice pinch Grebs and nice rebound Roli.

    This has been an abortion of a period so far.

  124. relic says:

    “We finally are told why MacT is using Gagner on the PK. Ray Ferraro, we miss you. Please come back.”

    care to enlighten us who do not have cable DG?

  125. Sean says:

    What a rebound!

  126. PDO says:

    TERRIBLE defensive play by Grebeshkov.

  127. doritogrande says:

    relic: Ray was talking about how MacT uses the PK as a punishment to players who aren’t moving their feet. Really explains why Gagner and Penner are out there while Hemsky and Cogliano are not.

    Is this the way a penalty kill is run under a normal coach? Seriously, what the fuck.

  128. digger says:

    Let’s see…

    Crap start.

    Moreau high sticking double minor.

    The return of Garbagekhov.

    I think we’ve pretty much covered the stereotypical Oilers first period, circa 2008.

  129. Kris says:

    Losing puck battles still

  130. Coach pb9617 says:

    MacT uses the PK as a punishment to players who aren’t moving their feet.

    That’s so insane that he has to be attempting to get fired.

  131. doritogrande says:

    Dustin Penner to Hemsky for the open net goal!

  132. PDO says:

    That was an unreal feed from Penner after Horcoff and Penner both won puck battles. Good times.

  133. Coach pb9617 says:

    Horpensky. Even strength.

    Why did it take 20 games to put them together?

  134. uni says:

    This is the first time they’ve been together in 20 games?

    I haven’t seem much hockey all year…and from the first half of that 1st period I was beginning to think that I hadn’t missed much.

    Crowd is awfully quiet as well.

  135. doritogrande says:

    Dallas beat Minnesota tonight.

    This is now a must-win game.

  136. uni says:

    Seem instead of seen, a sign that I need to get more sleep =(.

  137. Kris says:

    Horpensky just made MacT look bad for the last 20 games.

  138. doritogrande says:

    You really have to question the leadership on the LA Kings team if Matt Greene is an assistant captain.

  139. Bruce says:

    O Captain, my Captain, could you please demonstrate a little fucking leadership by staying the fuck out of the fucking penalty box?

    Heard the first part on the radio and only heard the penalty, don’t know how bad it was. I then explained to my wife that the Oilers have been using a new system called the “ClusterFuck PK”, in which the two possible outcomes are the opposition nearly scores or does score. The Kings proceeded to buzz the net with two great chances in the next 30 seconds, including one where Rod said the guy “failed to negotiate contact”, right out of the phrasebook of the late great Danny Gallivan.

    Which doesn’t obscure the fact that Moreau has been sitting in the box on far too many GA of late.

    TERRIBLE defensive play by Grebeshkov.

    Could this be how one gets the worse Sv% ON on the club? Or is this just another rattle of the dice?

    Nifty play by Penner on the tying goal. Also a nice offensive pinch by Strudwick and a real good hard backcheck from Cole late in the period. That’s the sort of hard-on-the-puck play Oilers need all over the ice.

    Good to get out of that period 1-1, it was always going to be a tough first ten minutes.

  140. Coach pb9617 says:

    Lieutenant Speirs in the interview again.

  141. slipper says:

    Eberle selected WHL player of the game.

    Two goals and an assist.

    Is he a candidate for the WJC now?

  142. Black Dog says:

    Jesus, what an awful start, someone else has to start giving pregame speeches. If it weren’t for Roli and some luck the game is out of hand.

    PK throws a shutout but far too many fivebell chances.

    10/83/27/44/77 dominated once they got going – men v. boys and Penner looked useful

    kids got soft minutes and kept it moving the right way

    78/26/18 looked decent, 78 playing physical, 18 with a dummy penalty

    4th line provided some energy but Smid? for the life of me I still don’t get it

  143. pboy says:

    I then explained to my wife that the Oilers have been using a new system called the “ClusterFuck PK”

    hahahhahahahahaha

    I love that MacT “punishes” his players for not moving their feet by using them on the PK. WTF has happened to MacT this year? It’s almost like he is intentionally trying to get himself fired. He has always had teams in the top 10 for the pk, this year we are just terrible. Last year, he did his best to shelter the kids, this year he has throw them to the dogs more times than not.

  144. Dennis says:

    Nice leadership by 18 to take the game’s opening penalty. It would be a lot easier to like him and take his quotes serious if he weren’t one of the problems. I wonder if he ever thinks about that when he’s throwing out his states of the union.

  145. Black Dog says:

    Maybe Stoll didn’t join the Mendelbaums this summer?

  146. slipper says:

    Ferraro says MacT uses the PK as a punishment, so it must be so.

    Doesn’t make any sense to me, but whatever.

  147. Bruce says:

    It’s punishment, alright. Make it stop!

  148. Ribs says:

    Ferraro never actually said it was to punish the players. Just to keep or get their feet moving.

  149. Black Dog says:

    Yeah I missed that. I thought they said he used it to get guys who weren’t moving their feet to start doing so.

    Me I’d nail their asses to the bench to get that result.

    Wonder if Brodziak and Stortini miss Glencross.

  150. doritogrande says:

    punish/serve as a wake-up/teach…etc.

    Insert your own crazy if you wish.

  151. Bruce says:

    Shots 14-11 after a brutal 11-3 start. Kopitar with 7 attempted shots in the period, Souray with 6.
    Oilers with 8 giveaways, 2 each by Lubo and not-so-steady Steve. Sestito leads with 2 hits.

  152. Bruce says:

    Somebody should tell Cole we switched ends.

  153. Scott says:

    Given they use the same guys on the PK every game, Ferraro is full of it. Just isn’t reflected in what they’re doing (not that what they’re doing makes sense).

  154. doritogrande says:

    Nice powerplay guys.

  155. Kris says:

    Maybe in the future we can decline the powerplay- like in football.

  156. doritogrande says:

    Well how bout that. Ethan Moreau draws a penalty.

  157. doritogrande says:

    Damn Slovenian. Doesn’t he know he comes from a back-water country that doesn’t play hockey?

  158. Coach pb9617 says:

    Staios is really, really awful

  159. Scott says:

    That’s a couple pretty questionable calls against the Kings now… but we haven’t done anything on the PP so they can’t be too upset.

  160. Scott says:

    Staios is really, really awful

    So that’s where Smid learned how to defend the back door play.

  161. Coach pb9617 says:

    Smid and Staios should switch roles, immediately.

  162. RiversQ says:

    I love how Nilsson will go a month at a time without making a meaningful play. Between him and O’Marra, that Smyth trade was awesome.

  163. Bruce says:

    Not liking what I saw from Gagner that second-last shift. He got owned by Brown and then Stoll and coughed the puck both times. The third time he made a nice move in the neutral zone to open up a 3-on-2, then did nothing with it but skate it into the corner. It was like he was surprised he got through.

  164. PunjabiOil says:

    Anohter home game where the OIlers have failed to generate any sort of offense.

    Outshot 22-13 at home against a team playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back?

    Maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought it would be.

  165. bookie says:

    Wow, Wow, Wow! I thought that MacT would be safe to play out the season. I was certain that he would be given the benefit of the doubt to play this through.

    This team of fairly talented guys is playing so bad that I would not be surprised if a call from Rexall head office saying….’its time’.

    I mean we have two minor leaguers and a defenceman playing on one line.

    Its just nuts, totally crazy!

    I hate all of the hockey drama wingnuts in Edmonton, but I am starting to rant like one. Is it me or is it really this bad?

  166. doritogrande says:

    Oh good. Another penalty to look terrible on.

  167. Coach pb9617 says:

    Not liking what I saw from Gagner that last 20 games.

    There ya go.

  168. Coach pb9617 says:

    Even Hemsky has tunnel vision for Souray now.

  169. Kris says:

    Oh no, a powerplay

  170. Bruce says:

    That’s twice I’ve seen Gilbert close the gate and crunch a guy on the boards, then turn and walk away with the puck. Outstanding stuff.

  171. RiversQ says:

    Now that is Matt Greene Penalty Machine.

  172. Scott says:

    Oh come on RiversQ, Smyth only had 8 more points than O’marra last year.

  173. Coach pb9617 says:

    Whoever observed that Souray purposefully passes to Lubos back foot was right.

    EVERY pass to Lubo is on the back foot. It can’t be by accident this many times.

  174. doritogrande says:

    “Outshot 22-13 at home against a team playing the 2nd game of a back-to-back?

    Maybe this team just isn’t as good as we thought it would be.”

    Thankfully I had them finishing 4th in the division anyway, so it’s not like they aren’t meeting my expectations. It’s just fucking frustrating to watch them. This team needs another massive shake-up, and we’ve got the bodies down on the farm that might be able to make a difference offensively.

  175. PunjabiOil says:

    Fire MacT?

  176. doritogrande says:

    “Fire MacT?”

    Promote MacT.

  177. Black Dog says:

    ok for a team supposedly chomping at the bit to get out there, as Ferraro said, who has looked good tonight – Cogliano and Pouliot and the fourth line have had a lot of energy, I think Gilbert has been terrific and Souray and Lubo pretty good

    and Roli looks like nice tradebait for February

    10/83/27 had a great 10 minutes in the first

    this team just seems out of sync

  178. Dennis says:

    I would suggest that the correct reaction towards this team would be apathy.

    I’ve never been one to throw this out lightly but it honestly looks like a lot of guys have checked out mentally.

  179. B.C.B. says:

    No worries, it is the 3rd period. The oilers show up now: we will start winning puck battles, I have a feeling.

  180. slipper says:

    Wasn’t Lubo the guy who called Rob Blake a puck hog when they played for the Kings?

    I don’t know if Souray is purposely passing into Visnovsky’s feet. He has always looked pretty awkward with the puck, ecspecially passing short distances.

  181. bookie says:

    I know that some of you have always hated MacT, but I am wondering…

    Are any of you long time supporters (or at least felt that most of the MacT haters were overcritical) and have now totally given up on him as a coach here in Edmonton?

    I feel such an overwhelming loss of faith and am wondering if others are still confident in MacT?

  182. pboy says:

    Maybe it’s time that our PP coach gets called out in the press? Or loses their job. Do the Oilers even practice the PP? They’ve had a few days at home with no games, so you would think that would have been an opportunity to work on a few things……. Or at the very least come out with a consistent effort against a team playing the back end of a two in two nights. Too much to ask for I guess.

  183. Coach pb9617 says:

    10/83/27 had a great 10 minutes in the first

    To be fair, they had to be on the power play that entire period.

  184. bookie says:

    I would suggest that the correct reaction towards this team would be apathy.

    I’ve never been one to throw this out lightly but it honestly looks like a lot of guys have checked out mentally.

    This is what I am feeling, the long time optimists (like Dennis and I) who don’t criticize very often are starting to do so…when this happens it can’t be long for the coach unless there is someone in management and ownership who has deep faith in the man.

  185. Black Dog says:

    bookie – I’m a MacT supporter

    I thought the end of last year was some smoke and mirrors but they added some nice pieces and they are healthy

    poor special teams

    same mistakes over and over again

    weird lineup decisions

    uneven play esp. in the first period over and over again

    I said it when they played the Pens – I think a lot of guys have tuned him out

    Ken Hitchcock has been let go. Coaches get fired. I think Mac T is a good coach but I am afraid you can’t trade the whole team

  186. Coach pb9617 says:


    I don’t know if Souray is purposely passing into Visnovsky’s feet. He has always looked pretty awkward with the puck, ecspecially passing short distances.

    But every pass is back foot. Every one.

  187. doritogrande says:

    Pat:

    That, right there, sounded like a support group speech.

  188. Black Dog says:

    Hah coachpb – nah they had three or four 5 on 5 shifts where they were all over the Kings late in the first.

    But nothing in the second.

  189. Black Dog says:

    yeah Souray isn’t the greatest passer but blind squirrels, eh?

  190. Coach pb9617 says:

    Hah coachpb – nah they had three or four 5 on 5 shifts where they were all over the Kings late in the first.

    But nothing in the second.

    Because of the four power plays. That line is better at ES than on the power play because they aren’t all swinging from Souray’s nuts.

    yeah Souray isn’t the greatest passer but blind squirrels, eh?

    EXACTLY. By accident he should have already perfectly led Lubo with the puck.

  191. Kris says:

    I’d move Souray off the #1 PP unit. It makes all kind of sense.

    It saves Souray for the PK and 5on5, it lets Vish do what he does best, and it get’s some creativity in the powerplay.

    Right now the PP is a one trick, point shot pony, and every other team in the league knows it.

  192. Bruce says:

    Giveaways thru 2 periods: EDM 17 L.A 7. Staios, Visnovsky, Cole and Gagner with 3 each. Gagner’s excuse is that he’s young.

  193. doritogrande says:

    Grebeshkov out. Can we get Smid in his regular roster spot now?

  194. B.C.B. says:

    Wow, MacT hates Smid. We lose a defense and Smid stays on the wing . . . he is done, I guess (either the coach or Smid, I can’t figure out who).

  195. Bruce says:

    I’d move Souray off the #1 PP unit. It makes all kind of sense.

    Kris: That suggestion seems to be at variance with actual results.

    I do agree some down low options would make a sensible Plan B. That’s got to be on Hemsky to some extent, he’s the playmaker.

  196. Scott says:

    These faint and uninspired “Let’s go Oilers” chants are a metaphor of the team’s performance.

  197. bookie says:

    Black Dog – Yep, I agree, good coach but as you say, the team has tuned him out. I wonder if the ownership/management wisdom will leave him in place to “Play through it”. A few wins in a row could turn this around. Perhaps MacT improves as the season moves along and this is why they always surge in the second half.

  198. doritogrande says:

    Nice goon-play Steady Steeve.

  199. Coach pb9617 says:

    Good work Staios.

    Pa ress bahx.

  200. Coach pb9617 says:

    Gagner’s excuse is that he’s young.

    &*%^%#%$*&)()(*&E%^ETYFKY&%^#U

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