Oilers at Red Wings, G18/08-09

This is Greg Joly. He had perhaps the most timely hot streak in the history of the game, emerging from the pack of draft eligibles in 1974 with a jaw-dropping romp through the WHL playoffs and Memorial Cup 1974.

He ended up being the top pick in the draft, the first ever choice of the Washington Capitals. He was ranked as the 7th best pick in the draft by the Hockey News in 1974 (yes, they ranked them back before the wheel) but had a tremendous run that included two goals and two assists as Regina beat Calgary for the 1974 WHL title. Joly then had three assists in the win over Quebec that clinched 1974 Memorial Cup for the Pats.

He had his best games as a pro with the Detroit Red Wings, who got him for Bryan (Bugsy) Watson. Watson is mentioned only as a gnat and RW shadow to Bobby Hull when he’s remembered at all, but he also put in some good seasons along the blue.

I have no idea what to expect of the Edmonton Oilers and their coach tonight. Their record does not jive with the mood of the collective, and as such I can only conclude there are forces at work that we are not privy to at this time.

I remain convinced this is a playoff team.

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  1. Swabbubba says:

    LT this team would be a definite playoff team if all the players were on the same sheet of music.

    The list of under performers I have is Penner,Cole and Horcoff. So I would start with the poster child. So MacT called him out.

    The thing I am concerned with is the lack of physical play. Not the gooning we just need some solid hits. What the Leafs game we had 5 recorded hits? Lets take away the shoulder pads if they don’t want to use them.

    All in all the team has the most potential of any Oiler team of late.

  2. Matt N says:

    ” All in all the team has the most potential of any Oiler team of late “

    Potential is a coach killer. It is kind of wierd how the masses are starting to get on top of MacT. I guess we have been hearing it for a while but it seems different this year somehow. MacT is a very well respected coach in the community and if pretty much any team in the league signed him it would be haled as a big name signing.

    He has been here 9 years now and that is well past the average life expectancy of a professional head coach. However, making a change for the sake of it is not usually a good idea. I just don’t think that there is anyone out there to replace him. Who is available?

  3. David says:

    No way you fire MacT over Penner. He can’t be blamed for the poor performance of a single player. If you look at the rest of the team over the years he has done well in bringing guys in and getting them up to speed quickly. Penner needs to be pushed…

  4. Doogie2K says:

    I’m actually not that concerned. I didn’t pay full attention to the Colorado game, because I was shooting the shit and talking trash with my Avs-fan buddy, but the consensus seems to be that the Oilers had a good game and bad luck in the last two minutes. We’ve also played Detroit ridiculously close since the lockout. The results:

    Nov. 3/05: 4-3 EDM (OT)
    Nov. 17/05: 6-5 EDM (OT)
    Mar. 18/06: 4-3 DET (SO)
    Apr. 13/06: 2-0 DET

    Apr. 21/06: 3-2 DET (2OT)
    Apr. 23/06: 4-2 EDM
    Apr. 25/06: 4-3 EDM (2OT)
    Apr. 27/06: 4-2 DET
    Apr. 29/06: 3-2 EDM
    May 1/06: 4-3 EDM (the glorious third-period comeback)

    Oct. 21/06: 3-1 EDM
    Nov. 8/06: 3-0 DET
    Nov. 18/06: 4-3 EDM (SO)
    Feb. 23/07: 4-3 EDM (SO)

    Oct. 8/07: 4-2 DET
    Oct. 30/07: 2-1 DET (the game where Pouliot made the bad late change in a tied game)
    Dec. 13/07: 4-3 EDM (SO)
    Feb. 26/08: 4-3 EDM (SO)

    12/18 decided by one goal (1/18 by more than two).
    9/18 went past 60; 2/6 went past 80 in the playoffs.
    7-5 EDM in regular season (Note: EDM was 4-1 in SO, so by WLT, it’s 4-3-5 DET)
    4-2 EDM in playoffs.
    Non-SO GD (regular season): 35-31 DET (13-13, 10-9 DET, 12-9 DET)
    Playoff GD: 19-17 EDM

    Without getting into Corsi et al, it’s pretty damned close no matter how you cut the counting numbers. So I expect another one-goal game, probably decided late/after 60.

  5. jdrevenge says:

    In looking at Pen’s comments in an updated Matheson story seems he’s ok with the shot Mac took. I hope this lghts the fire under his a$$ and the collective a$$ that is the Oilers. If they can roll 3 lines of 2 2 line guys playing with one third liner this team will be hella effective.

    Maybe Mac is grabbing the bull by the horns a little early this year with all the talent this group has.

    I like it and I think it should bode well for our team.

  6. goldenchild says:

    I agree MacT has sounded and acted very un-MacT like the last little while and there are definitly moves he’s made that make no sense to me but how do we know this Penner blasting is all him and not the collective view of him and Lowebellini?

    I mean there are a lot of young impressionable players on the team and when they see one of the highest paid players doing shit out there that can’t be a good precedent.

    I just wish in a season where he has said its all about results that he managed the game that way rather than this half trying to win now and half trying to get the young guys ready to win later.

    If his job is truly on the line then we shouldn’t see Gagner killing penalties or playing tough mins, Hemsky and Horc should be together and if he doesn;t want 51 or 78 centering a checking line then for god sakes find him a center he can use there.

    The level of panic is suprising though I mean considering the imbalance of the schedule, results and position in the division, they are not in that bad a shape. I think they play playoff hockey as well.

    On a plus side I am pretty sure HF is about to disintegrate.

  7. Scarlett says:

    Oilers always play Detroit very tough so I’m expecting a good game. They rebounded nicely on Saturday, played a good game even though they lost. Conklin starts for Detroit so it’d be nice to light him up!

  8. doritogrande says:

    “No way you fire MacT over Penner. He can’t be blamed for the poor performance of a single player.”

    Except that the lack of PP and PK can be placed directly at his feet also. He’s not using his troops to their best abilities. Cole over Penner on PP? Gagner over…well anyone else really on the PK. These are coaching errors and I don’t care if the special teams are run by one of the assistants, MacT still has the veto power should he choose to use it.

    I’ve been a rather quiet MacT supporter since he game-planned the series wins over Detroit and San Jose, but his time does look like it’s coming to an end. If so, we should simply thank him for his services to the Oilers and find a guy who can bring the offense back to this team. Great thing now is the Old Boys club has been dismantled. We can finally start looking outside our doors for a replacement.

  9. Scott says:

    The problem with the team isn’t the record. The problem is that they’ve been consistently getting outplayed. They’re goal differential is 13th in the conference and they’ve been getting outshot, and sometimes badly, nearly every game. The game against Colorado was one of their better games this year, so it’s unfortunate that they weren’t rewarded with a win. Still, they haven’t been able to clearly outchance over sixty minutes at all this season. The Leafs game may have put MacT over the edge because they have they played with the kind of grit that MacT is accustomed to seeing from his own guys. His negative response seems appropriate to me (although somewhat misdirected since Penner seems to be managing fine in his new role, at least at EV, but then again, I don’t know about his attitude behind the scenes).

  10. Bruce says:

    It’s hard to know how much of the Oilers’ erratic performance to date can be put on the schedule, but it isn’t getting any better. In places it is flat-out unfair. e.g. here are the skeds for tonight’s two teams the next few days:

    EDM:
    Mon @ DET
    Tue @ CBJ
    Thu v DET

    DET:
    Mon v EDM
    Thu @ EDM

    Boy, can’t wait to have that home ice “advantage” on Thursday, what?

    BTW, after Thursday, the Oilers get a five-day layoff, play one game, get two more days off before getting a back-to-back on the road. Meanwhile, Detroit plays Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday …

    I don’t know what other fans think but this one is fed up to the eye teeth with this bullshit. The WHA used to have better schedules than this ferfuxsake. Right through the end of November Oilers never play more than two in a row at home, with a big layoff before Game 1 of the season and another splitting up the upcoming modest two-game home stand; meanwhile the team plays no fewer than seven back-to-backs. It’s like the schedule-maker’s prime objective was to anally rape the Oilers, and our team’s management’s response was to lay back and enjoy it.

  11. Ribs says:

    But Dorito, don’t you know Bucky’s next in line? Ha…yea.

  12. doritogrande says:

    ribs:

    That was before Katz took over, and the management deck was shuffled. That’s that makes me excited about it. The pipeline is no longer a certainty! Is there another Bruce Boudreau out there? Maybe we should rape Vancouver’s pipeline again and grab onto Manitoba’s coach Scott Arniel. The Moose have produced two Jack Adams trophy winners in recent years.

  13. Coach pb9617 says:

    Gagner over…well anyone else really on the PK.

    I’d say Gagner over anyone else on special teams. And Gagner against any difficult minutes. I know I harp on the kid, but he’s being given too much too soon. He’s 19 and he’s still an idiot kid. All men are at 19. Let him be an idiot kid against the softies.

  14. doritogrande says:

    Obviously lost in the recent MacT tirade was his take on Ladislav Smid. To quote directly:

    “I am not adverse to putting Ladi at forward, to give us some crash and bang.”

    Um, what?

    I thought Strudwick was our tweener? Isn’t that what his blurb said when we signed him? That he played forward at times last year in NY?

    Everyone look out! He’s square pegging a round hole again!

  15. Coach pb9617 says:

    Um, what?

    Especially considering Smid’s play on defense this season. He’s been excellent.

    If he really wants crash and bang, option Cogliano to the A, bring up Brule and run Brule Brodziak and Stortini on the bottom.

  16. Vic Ferrari says:

    It’s not MacTavish’s call to decide who, if anyone, gets called up from the farm.

    Does having three goalies on the roster and a goon as the extra forward smack of MacTavish decision?

    It took benching Brodziak and Penner to get an actual forward up from the AHL. Will it take playing Smid at forward (or more specifically the threat of it) to keep him here?

    I’m guessing that it might.

  17. doritogrande says:

    vic:

    I never really thought of that angle. I rember after the tank-job we saw two Marches ago that Lowe came out and said that MacT would have much more impact into the personnel decisions during the offseason, and I think that was the case.

    Well, Lowe’s not around to buddy up to anymore and it could be that Tambellini has his own thoughts about how this team should look. Looks like a schizm could be forming between front-line and upstairs. MacT fed up with his personnel and threatens to play guys out of position (Pisani was the first, Smid the latest) and benches high profile forwards. Tambellini doesn’t like what he sees in the on-ice performance in TC, shoulders MacT with the burdens of 3 goalies and an actual bull in the bullpen in an attempt to sabotage his last days as coach.

    But, if that were really the case, Tambellini would have kept Schremp instead of Pouliot, and MacT would be playing the shit out of Dwayne Roloson at this point, not Deslauriers.

    Incidentally, who’s starting tonight?

  18. Coach pb9617 says:

    I understand that Vic and that’s what I was pointing towards. Sorry I didn’t make it clear.

    It means that one of the goalies has to be dealt and that someone else is about to get butthurt over time in the PB.

    Playing Smid at forward would be MacT’s 76 yard field goal no?

  19. Asiaoil says:

    Now Smid at forward? This is getting all John McCain…..as in erratic.

  20. Bill Needle says:

    Ladislav the Forward.

  21. Tyler says:

    Toby Peterson playing the point on the PP does bear some resemblance to Palin in the VP spot.

  22. Black Dog says:

    Is MacT looking for a way out? Smid at forward? Strudwick has experience in that role.

    We’re through the looking glass, Alice.

  23. Mike says:

    Two words:

    John Tortorella.

    I think he’d be good for this team.

  24. Jonathan says:

    John Tortorella.

    Please, no. Please, dear God, no.

  25. Dennis says:

    I think Smid as a forward is the next logical step for him as a player and for us an org.

    Smid’s Albelin-esque dominance as a defenseman means he has nothing to prove as a rearguard and now it’s time for him to take on a new challenge to see if he can carry his scoring touch over to the forward position.

  26. heed says:

    boulerice is out. brodziak draws in. roloson to start.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Sorry to mangle your quote matt n, but it’s MacTavish who’s a potential(talent)killer.

    Let’s fire Mactavish, and then see how he does in Florida, or wherever else he’s apparently going to be “snapped up”. Kevin Lowe can piss off too, since he’s so “proud” and thinks the fanbase owes him something more than a paycheck.

    david…you don’t fire Mactavish for the performance of a single player – you fire MacTavish because the entire team plays terribly.

    Mactavish needs a push…out the door.

    The Oilers last Saturday night played as terribly as I’ve ever seen them – with the exception of the last Nashville game where they were astonishingly, even worse.

    The fire MacTavish tsunami takes it’s impetus from the reality that our current coach has totally lost the plot/the team.

    When a hothead like myself calls for MacTavish to go, you can take it or leave it. But, when completely rational heads like LoweTide and Bryanbryoil are calling Mactavish out, you know something is afoot.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    to HIMSELF: “I’ve got a great idea! Red Kelly moved up from defence to forward and was great!” MacTavish

  29. doritogrande says:

    “But, if that were really the case, Tambellini would have kept Schremp instead of Pouliot, and MacT would be playing the shit out of Dwayne Roloson at this point, not Deslauriers.

    Incidentally, who’s starting tonight?”

    Heed said: “Roloson to start”

    Well, well, well. Any word on Schremp’s immediate callup?

  30. mc79hockey says:

    Is hunter1909 really Vic taking the piss or something? Citing the Colorado and Nashville games is a dead giveaway, as is referring to BBO as “completely rational”.

    (He’s clearly right about Lowe though.)

  31. doritogrande says:

    According to TSN, everyone’s favourite Newfoundlander and Ex-Oiler is out for the next couple weeks with an eye infection.

    Does this mean they’ve finally come to their senses and will unleash Darren Helm on us? Crap.

  32. Vic Ferrari says:

    That is funny Dennis.

    I would be remiss if I didn’t remind everyone that Dennis was the lone blogger to heartily endorse the Penner deal, though.

    At least the EIG cut some payroll on the Pronger trade and ran millions under the cap for a season. Plus it paved the way for them to dump Smyth’s salary (EIG sez: We’re rebuilding because we have to, it’s Pronger’s fault! Plus Smyth is greedy!)

    From a business point of view, it was a stellar trade.

    Hard to find any positives for anyone in the Penner offer sheet, though.

  33. Dennis says:

    Just wanted to add that tonight could be the end of the 89-playing -tough-min-and-fucking-up Hemsky experiment.

    Babcock has two lines that can score, he has last change and I don’t think he’s about to let Hemsky run the show at EV by getting a favourable match.

    If MacT’s feeling any real pressure and the real Red Wings show up for tonight, I’ll expect 10-83 are back together tomorrow night and 26-18-34 compromise three of the other six tough min forwards with 78 or 51 finally getting that last pivot assigment.

    In the meantime Gagner will be back marching in the Soft Min parade. I’ve loved the early returns on 13-26 so I wouldn’t mind a 13-89-26 soft min line with 27 getting one last pre-trade and/or waiver-trip spin with 10-83 while 78 leads 18-34.

    This puts 12 in the 10th forward spot but maybe he can get just a little something going with 51-85 on the fourth line.

  34. hunter1909 says:

    “Is hunter1909 really Vic taking the piss or something? Citing the Colorado and Nashville games is a dead giveaway, as is referring to BBO as “completely rational”.

    Sorry MC79, I don’t even know who Vic is.

    And the reason I cite BBO as being rational, is like him, I’m a big Schremp fan.

    You know, that star forward who Kevin Lowe thought so highly of that he drafted him in the 1st round.

    Then again, the reason Lowe drafted Pouliot was, something to the effect that ‘he always played hard, on the worst team in the league”.

    Cue drum roll.

  35. Dennis says:

    Vic: Yeah, I didn’t think it was a bad deal and I thought it could work out.

    MC: yeah it’s probably Vic and I don’t mind because now we finally get to see what he really looks like, ie that profile pic is gold; it looks like Micheal McKean in his Spinal Tap days:)

  36. hunter1909 says:

    “Hard to find any positives for anyone in the Penner offer sheet, though.” vic

    I’ve got one for you. Since Lowe didn’t have to draft a first round pick that summer, us fans are spared the annual wringing of hands after Mactavish invariably fucks up their development. lol

  37. Slipper says:

    “Sorry MC79, I don’t even know who Vic is.

    And the reason I cite BBO as being rational, is like him, I’m a big Schremp fan.”

    Okay, now it’s obvious that someone’s taking a piss with us.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    I actually am a big Schremp fan. I’d love to see a white trash yank become a superstar sniper and help lead my Oilers to victory.

    The trouble is, the Oilers are seemingly run by a bunch of tools with their heads still up the 1980′s.

    There. I’ve said it.

  39. mc79hockey says:

    The trouble is, the Oilers are seemingly run by a bunch of tools with their heads still up the 1980′s.

    Because they won’t feed ice time to a guy who doesn’t play any defence but has a big offensive reputation?

  40. Black Dog says:

    oh jesus here we go

  41. hunter1909 says:

    I mean, this might sound crazy, but in the 2006 playoffs I wondered why they didn’t just start Schremp at center for a game, just to see if he had the magic he was reputed to have.

    Genius often thrives under the microscope of expectations.

    Slats was capable of pulling that kind of stuff. It used to be the Oiler way.

    My trouble is, I keep hoping for a return of the swaggering and usually winning Oilers, something that hasn’t really happened here since 1988.

    I mean, wasn’t that what Mikhnov also supposed to bring to the team?

    So you have an American semi-head case, and a Russian/Ukranian. Both seem seriously gifted, yet both show up and get treated to this red neck circa Don Cherry “We hate you unless you change everything about you that got you here to begin with”.

    It’s beyond a joke.

  42. hunter1909 says:

    I always thought defencemen and goalies are there to play defence.

    And forwards are there to shoot, and score.

  43. Slipper says:

    Before he can become a NHL superstar sniper he could help himself by scoring a goal in AHL.

    >Place convoluted irrational theory as to why Schremp isn't scoring in the AHL here<

  44. hunter1909 says:

    The trouble with MacTavish’s November Oilers is they’re so terrified to make a mistake that they pass the puck to each other like a live grenade, so WHEN things do screw up MacTavish won’t give them a hard time.

    I think the team is pretty talented, players like Visnovsky in particular. I could probably say something cool about every member of the current lineup.

    But it’s hard to do simple things, when you’re feeing this vibe off MacT.

    Tonight, just watch MacT closely, every time the camera is on him. Arms folded so tightly, it’s like they’re sewn onto his torso. Licking his lips, like he’s dying of thirst in Death Valley. The thousand yard stare.

    I think he’s cracking up. And I don’t know whether to laugh, or cry.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    real head coach: a motivator

    real head coach: the guy who takes the blame for defeat

    real head coach: efficient and ruthless evaluator of talent

    MacTavish: ?????

  46. goldenchild says:

    I wonder if Schremp knows the level of devotion he has, I mean here is a mediocre NHL prospect toiling in the minors that is treated as some sort of deity. Somewhere Michael Henrich is very jelous.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    Got to love the modern era Oilers faithful: Enjoying failure in the team’s draft picks.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Last year Schremp was a top ten AHL scorer.

    What exactly is mediocre about that?

  49. Black Dog says:

    Um, its the AHL.

    Weren’t Scott McCrory and Todd Simon bigwigs in the AHL too?

  50. Vic Ferrari says:

    It’s not me, but it has to be a pisstake.

    And that’s one bad hairdo on the guy in the picture. Priceless.

  51. hunter1909 says:

    When was the last time the OIlers finished a season with a player in the top ten?

    Oh I forgot. We’ve got Shawn Horcoff, who played in an all star game.

  52. hunter1909 says:

    Fire MacTavish.

  53. hunter1909 says:

    “Um, its the AHL.”

    Duh.

  54. Slipper says:

    Yeah, to hell with the AHL. Most great players just half ass it until they choose to dominate the NHL, anyways.

  55. Slipper says:

    Brian Connolly?

    Speaking to us from the dead.

  56. hunter1909 says:

    Anyway guys, it’s been wonderful bantering with y’all, but I really need to get out to the shops and make sure I’ve got enough kleenex for the game later today.

    Maybe the team will be able to pull itself together, to motivate itself, and do well, and the MacTavish gong show will return, breathing new life. Like Dracula, MacTavish sounds from reading you guys comments like he’s going to be a hard coach to kill.

    After all, wasn’t he one of the most illustrious members of the dynasty, who, without his stellar services, the Oilers would be just another lame franchise?

    Schremp? LOL. Maybe he’s a bust. Great. I’m stupid to have even mentioned this guy to such a cynical crowd, lol. Maybe Scremp is that shining ray of hope I imagine that the Oilers used to be…

    *pukes*

  57. Slipper says:

    I’ve always believed that it’s best to quit while you’re on top.

    Thanks for the many insights, Hunter1909.

  58. Coach pb9617 says:

    Slats was capable of pulling that kind of stuff. It used to be the Oiler way.

    I’m not going to appeal to authority here, but since you were six years old when the Oilers started winning, please tell us, specifically, what you recall Slats “pulling” that created the Oiler way. Games, situations, times, line combos, strategies and changes would be helpful.

  59. Phil says:

    Anyway guys, it’s been wonderful bantering with y’all, but I really need to get out to the shops and make sure I’ve got enough kleenex for the game later today.

    EEEWWWWW.

  60. Coach pb9617 says:

    The trouble with MacTavish’s November Oilers is they’re so terrified to make a mistake that they pass the puck to each other like a live grenade, so WHEN things do screw up MacTavish won’t give them a hard time.

    That’s deep.

  61. Phil says:

    ..oh, you meant you’ll be crying.

    my bad.

  62. Black Dog says:

    Well, that was weird.

    Even for the internet.

  63. Bruce says:

    in the 2006 playoffs I wondered why they didn’t just start Schremp at center for a game, just to see if he had the magic he was reputed to have.

    I have to agree that dumb-fuck MacTavish just totally screwed the pooch in his personnel decisions that year. Fernando only scored 14 goals playing with Peca, he woulda had 25 with Schremp.

    Seriously, which game would you have started him? Maybe Game 5 in Detroit? Game 3 against the Sharks? Game 1 in Anaheim? Game 7 in Raleigh? For heavens sake there was NO margin for error, the whole 20-man roster needed to contribute every night and we might squeak out a nail-biter. There was certainly no room for a guy who was — at this writing — at least 3 years away from the NHL.

  64. Black Dog says:

    There you go again Bruce, following the crowd. ;)

  65. Slipper says:

    Yeah, I liked it better when Bruce didn’t just concede his opinion to that of the “experts”.

  66. Slipper says:

    Hunter1909 from over at BBO’s:

    “What’s really amazing over on HF boards is, just how reasonable the anti MacT sentiment is. Only the fanatics seem to want MacT to stay.

    I’m 100% anti-MacT and got banned, for being a fanatical anti-MacT guy.”

  67. Coach pb9617 says:

    Wow. It’s turned into a sugartits thread. Who knew?

  68. Coach pb9617 says:

    Oh, he’s a BBO guy. That explains a TON.

    BBO is like Lyndon Larouche.

  69. hunter1909 says:

    If my IQ was 30 points lower, I could really enjoy this conversation.

  70. Black Dog says:

    Don’t waste your time with us dummies then.

  71. nancy says:

    Didn`t you start this conversation?…..

  72. Vic Ferrari says:

    Thanks slipper. So that dude is the lead singer from Sweet, holy crap.

    I saw Sweet play in England in 90 or 91, part of a retro Glam Rock concert with Mud and one other band. I think that he was the only original member of Sweet on stage, and he was completely messed up. I don’t think he knew where he was, and he did well just to keep standing.

    The crowd started heckling him, it just didn’t go well at all. I’m not surprised he didn’t last long afterwards.

    Mud was great in concert though.

  73. HBomb says:

    ANYWAYS….

    Let’s see here:

    - Cole on LW
    - Penner on a checking line
    - Pisani at center
    - Goalie carousel
    - Various bizzare line combinations
    - etc.

    The suggestion of “Smid at forward” trumps any and all of those. MacT’s losing it, methinks…..what happens in these next three games might tell the tale.

    After Thursday, the Oilers have a six-day break. The equivalent of having a bye week in the NFL. Lots of coaches get axed on bye weeks.

    I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’….

  74. Dennis says:

    Thanks for that, Vic:)

    I think we needed a laugh heading into what might be a full-on whooping.

  75. Bruce says:

    Love is like oxygen
    You get too much you get too hi-igh
    Not enough and you’re gonna di-ie
    Love makes you hi-igh

  76. DeBakey says:

    Well
    Everyone managed to completely ignore Hunter1909′s toss-it-against-the-wall style for a few days
    Today?
    Not so much

    Has anyone ever seen
    Hunter1909
    SaynotoMikeJohnson
    and
    Tracktor
    In the same room together?

    I thought not

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything like MacT’s Penner rant.
    That was pretty special.

    What I hear from MacT is frustration.
    This is the best team he’s had
    But the results aren’t following.
    I’m not sure he’s any closer to losing it than at anytime in the past.

  77. PDO says:

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH ITS A BALLROOM BLITZ!!

  78. Steve says:

    The trouble is, the Oilers are seemingly run by a bunch of tools with their heads still up the 1980′s.

    Because they won’t feed ice time to a guy who doesn’t play any defence but has a big offensive reputation?

    Nobody’s said this in response to the above yet, and I firmly believe that somebody should, so here goes: Ha ha!

  79. kinger says:

    Black Dog said…

    Well, that was weird.

    Even for the internet.

    That brought about the greatest laugh I have had in months.

  80. kinger says:

    “I’m 100% anti-MacT and got banned, for being a fanatical anti-MacT guy.”

    It takes a special kind of douche to get banned from HFBoards.

  81. hunter1909 says:

    It’s nice to be with all my new friends. Just like junior high all over again.

  82. Slipper says:

    If Schremp’s transition to elite NHL sniper never comes to fruition, he could make a fortune going to the homes of his internet fanbase and doing lacrosse style moves in their backyards.

    Tenfold if he did it wearing his Captain America underoos.

    He’d be like the Kimbo Slice of hockey.

  83. hunter1909 says:

    “It takes a special kind of douche to get banned from HFBoards.”

    I love how people like this love to jump in, making sure that everyone else will agree with them before opening their small minds to the rest of us.

    Too bad Chris Pronger’s wife left him with no choice but to leave the Oilers. Even more too bad is how stupid Kevin Lowe was, not keeping him to his contract until he could trade him for value.

    I saw a clip on Cole chopping for tv’s with his wife and kids the other day. His wife looks like she already has decided she totally hates Edmonton too.

  84. mc79hockey says:

    He’d be like the Kimbo Slice of hockey.

    +1 Slipper.

    I saw a clip on Cole chopping for tv’s with his wife and kids the other day.

    Yeah, I can’t imagine who would be unhappy that they made thenews because they were out shopping for a TV.

  85. kinger says:

    hunter1909 said…
    I love how people like this love to jump in, making sure that everyone else will agree with them before opening their small minds to the rest of us.

    Hey look kids! There’s Big Ben! And there’s Parliament!

  86. Asiaoil says:

    Dubnyk named AHL player of the week…..maybe he’d make a good winger too – got the size and all ;)

  87. hunter1909 says:

    I’m getting crucified here, simply because I stated a preference for a particular prospect. Fine. I’m a big boy, I can take it. I know some of you know a lot more about me on the finer points of the game.

    What I don’t understand about fellow fans of the Oilers, is how many of them fail to notice just how badly they are playing as a team. Actually how they’re not playing like a team.

    I do occasionally read HF boards, and most of the comments are based on singling out various players for “lack of effort” or being crappy to start with, or whatever is acceptable to the level of thought over there.

    On this point, I simply don’t agree.

    Watching Boston the past few games, I saw a perfectly functioning hockey club. Ditto Montreal. Win or lose, I got to see how the game should be played at high level.

    I saw Boston fairly whip Montreal this past week, but even losing I got the feeling that the habs were technically sound. They won’t be in a crisis, unlike in Oilerland, and they will return next time better prepared and able to beat an excellent Bruins team. It was, after all, just a single game.

    Compared to either of these two clubs the Oilers aren’t even playing hockey. What the individual Oilers players try to do, is to be forced to take possesion of the puck, swivelling their heads around in a virtual panic, desperately trying to keep the situation from getting out of control. All this being played out over just a few seconds at a time, before either passing it a few feet to the next isolated Oiler player, who either repeats this process, loses the puck, whatever.

    Goals for the Oilers aren’t made by skill, but by frantic running around in the offensive zone. Very, very low percentage hockey.

    Whether the Oilers win or lose tonight, that’s what they will be doing, if the last games are anything to go by.

    It’s just not good hockey. It’s definitely not NHL calibre hockey.

    Personally I don’t know which players to fault, if any. I’m not a hockey coach. That should be obvious to those who understand the game best who post in here. The Oilers seem to, for the most part try playing about as hard as they can. As individuals, that is. What is totally clear is, what really should be clear to anyone who bothers to look, is that they don’t play as a team.

    And the thing is, hockey is a team sport.

    Like the way the Bruins and habs play.

  88. Coach pb9617 says:

    Since you were six years old when the Oilers started winning, please tell us, specifically, what you recall Slats “pulling” that created the Oiler way. Games, situations, times, line combos, strategies and changes would be helpful.

  89. Lowetide says:

    Are you ready, Steve? Aha.
    Andy? Yeah! Mick? OK.
    Alright, fellas, let’s go!

  90. Coach pb9617 says:

    Prediction for tonight – an OTL with one period of high level play, one period of terrible play and one period of play where they get screwed by penalties.

    Brodziak, Cole and the worst center in the history of hockey pot goals in a 4-3 loss.

  91. Slipper says:

    “I’m getting crucified here, simply because I stated a preference for a particular prospect.”

    “I’m a big Schremp fan…

    …You know, that star forward who Kevin Lowe thought so highly of that he drafted him in the 1st round.”

    “Maybe Scremp is that shining ray of hope I imagine that the Oilers used to be…”

    “…Schremp being tortured, just so the 3rd string fakes currently running this hicksville franchise can feel good about how they destroyed a round peg who goes against the grain of their block headedness”

    “..in the 2006 playoffs I wondered why they didn’t just start Schremp at center for a game, just to see if he had the magic he was reputed to have.”

    I don’t believe you’ve stated the exact nature of your preference yet, hunter.

    We’re an open minded lot here 1909.

  92. Showerhead says:

    Hey everyone, looks like I get to catch a game with you again. Wild to see almost 100 posts already before game time… but seriously, it’s kind of a WTF day in Oilerland.

    Smid on the wing? Is this a joke?

    I have no problem with a coach ripping players, the Ron Wilson approach, etc. I do have a problem with a coach ripping the entirety of a player’s tenure as opposed to a particular stretch of play. No matter what point you’re trying to prove and who you’re trying to prove it to, there are certain bridges you simply won’t be able to burn without screwing yourself over. I would have thought this to be one of them.

    Credit where it’s due though – Dustin Penner has taken it like a man at least so far as his words go. I’m not exactly when each of his quotes are from but in other situations like this you will hear players sulk or bitch but DP has simply acknowledged he needs to play better. Makes you kind of wonder if maybe he’s just not an emotional guy period, though.

    PS: glad to see Smid’s forward autition was indeed a joke. Interesting to see neither of a 10-83 reunion or a 10-26-34 shutdown line against such a powerful Wings team.

  93. Ender the Dragon says:

    You remember back in the 80’s and even the 90’s how much excitement and hype there was around Soviet players who wanted to defect? I think the NHL should bring a little of that back and implement a ‘defection rule’ into the system.

    Picture it. Detroit on the rush. Hossa charging down the wing. He glances over to MacT, who gives him the wink. A subtle signal has an Oiler jumping back onto the bench as Hossa suddenly hits the brakes and heads back the other direction. Conklin looks first confused, then horrified as realization strikes home . . .

    “Defection!”

    But it’s far too late. The Detroit defence is hopelessly out of position and the only thing between Hossa and the back of the net is the Oilers old cast-off netminder.

    As Hossa buries a three-deke 5-star backhand, he is immediately surrounded by Boulerice, Huggy-Bear, and even SMac whose mysterious reactivation is suddenly explained as Hossa is safely escorted to the Oilers bench amidst much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Detroit contingent.

    Ah, what it might be like . . .

  94. Coach pb9617 says:

    McCarty has the book on Stortini. Before he could go for the hug, McCarty landed 8.

  95. Showerhead says:

    Horc’s got his angles down tonight.

    Also, and more timely, Fuck.

  96. PDO says:

    Know what makes penalty killing a lot easier?

    A) Getting the puck out when you have a damn chance.
    B) Not taking a SECOND FREAKING PENALTY WHILE YOU’RE ON THE PK ALREADY MR. SOURAY.

  97. Dennis says:

    Nice to see we can always count on Moreau to take a dumb penalty and get the ball rolling.

    And a nice piece of gamesmanship by Souray to take a piece of Holmstrom when we were already down a man,.

  98. PDO says:

    Is there a reason every time the puck gets near our defensemen it jumps all over the place?

  99. mc79hockey says:

    Anyone else think that the scouting report on the Oilers PP might be that they force things through the point too much?

  100. Coach pb9617 says:

    I wish Souray and Lubo had no shot at all.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Well the Oilers have certainly turned it around. There’s NOTHING like going public to get those millionaire’s to take notice.

  102. hunter1909 says:

    The Oilers are fucking terrible, and it’s not the players fault.

  103. PDO says:

    Hunter, I thought you were leaving?

    I guess you’d just come back with a new name again though…

  104. PDO says:

    5 on 3 with their best player in the box.

    Gotta make it count.

    Who wants to bet Souray has at least 3 shots on net?

  105. mc79hockey says:

    There’d be an interesting study on whether it makes sense for a coach to take a timeout in this sort of a situation. First unit at the end of a shift, 55 seconds of 5 on 3 coming.

  106. Showerhead says:

    There was a moment there when I thought that the Oilers had actually tried a play down low. Then I realized it was just another pass bouncing across the best ice in the NHL.

  107. PDO says:

    Hey, I got the number right! And he only got one through as well.

    Can someone explain it to him that a blocked shot on a 5 on 3 is unforgivable?

  108. mc79hockey says:

    Fan-fucking-tastic 5 on 3. Let’s not even try to create something down low.

  109. Coach pb9617 says:

    I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play I hate this power play

  110. honkey says:

    PP useless as always. Can’t stand watch this.

  111. kinger says:

    Great PP guys!!!!!!!

  112. mc79hockey says:

    If MacT was a better coach, Gagner and Horcoff would have got better wood on their shots.

  113. Showerhead says:

    1st play down low creates a legitimate scoring chance. Detroit must have been too fucking shocked to know what to do.

  114. doritogrande says:

    Fuck you Sheldon Souray. You and your stupid fucking “slapshot”. You are not the only one on this fucking powerplay so fuck off.

  115. PDO says:

    Tyler, don’t you love how Souray will just sit there and hold the puck like he can actually recognize a passing lane to kill most of it? And then when something “opens” he fires it into a pair of shin pads.

    For fucks sake.

  116. mc79hockey says:

    Well that was expected.

  117. kinger says:

    This is painful.

  118. PDO says:

    Oilers will get a chance to clear, fail, and Detroit will score on a one timer in the slot from a pass below the goal line.

  119. Dennis says:

    Montreal Canadian Souray is back.

    And I loved how the Oilers worked so many down low plays on the 5 on 3. i would honestly ban 44 from playing while we have a two man adv.

  120. mc79hockey says:

    I’ve said it before – if there’s a reason to fire MacT, it’s the goddmaned powerplay. They’re absolutely atrocious at it. I’m just mind boggled that the PP is still beat around finding shots from the blue line.

  121. hunter1909 says:

    Its nice to see the Red Wings want to make a game of it.

  122. Showerhead says:

    Souray doesn’t exactly think at the speed of light out there, but I’ll defend him by saying that due to the PP’s predictability, he’s never getting the puck with a shooting lane open and therefore always needing to move to step two in his gameplan. If the Oilers ever did anything anywhere OTHER than on the blueline they might just stretch that box open once in a while but apparently we’re not going to see that one in 2008.

  123. mc79hockey says:

    I don’t get it. Why did the D at the top of the zone on DET’s PP move the puck quickly to someone else instead of holding it until the shot clock was close to zero.

  124. kinger says:

    What is this ‘puck movement’ you speak of?

  125. doritogrande says:

    That right there, is why you have to be lucky to be good.

    That hit both damn posts!

  126. mc79hockey says:

    Gilbert should have had a delay of game penalty there.

  127. Showerhead says:

    lol MC at the shot clock barb.

    and hmm, apparently where special teams ability fails, miracles prevail. hurray!

  128. PDO says:

    Well, Rafalski hit the post, and then Lidstrom hit both.

    All things equal, we do deserve to win a game that we don’t deserve.

  129. kinger says:

    Why does Detroit pass so much on their PP?

    SHOOOOT
    SHOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!

  130. Lord Bob says:

    I’m not even watching anymore. I’m listening to Blue Rodeo and drinking whisky and having a gay old time. Life’s great when you give up on it.

    (True story: Blue Rodeo’s “Get Through To You” was playing as the Oilers blew that 5-on-3 worse than Todd Bertuzzi in the Olympic finals for not smashing peoples’ faces into the ice.)

  131. Showerhead says:

    The one positive I’ve seen this period is that #77 has his game together. Good coverage on good players more than once.

  132. hunter1909 says:

    I bet MacTavish teaches the players to go offside to get a free time out.

  133. PDO says:

    If the Oilers had played the period the Wings just did, and the Wings had played the period the Oilers just played, I’d be saying that it was a bad, bad, thing that we were only up by 1 and it would probably bite us in the ass. Kinda like it did against Toronto.

    Just sayin’.

  134. Coach pb9617 says:

    What a sweet little play with the stick from Lubes on Franzen in front there. Man…

  135. Lowetide says:

    Blue Rodeo is such a good band to drink your brain dead to, they really are. I love them sober, but drunk they just say it all.

  136. Coach pb9617 says:

    but I’ll defend him by saying that due to the PP’s predictability, he’s never getting the puck with a shooting lane open

    Because the whole thing is set up to get two slapshots every two minutes, regardless of blocks. He was so effective in Montreal because he was the back door option.

    I agree with you and don’t fault him – he never sees an open shooting lane.

    I hate this powerplay.

  137. mc79hockey says:

    Because the whole thing is set up to get two slapshots every two minutes, regardless of blocks. He was so effective in Montreal because he was the back door option.

    More like about 1.33 slapshots every two minutes. It’s a disgrace.

  138. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers sticks look like they’re made out of foam rubber out there.

  139. doritogrande says:

    @ showerhead:

    Since I sort of started this rumour, I think I should clairify. It's not actually a lie, the dude actually said he was considering doing it. Evidence can be found here:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=392798

    Thank god he's got a concussion right now, or he might be in the line-up.

  140. PDO says:

    Oilers sticks look like they’re made out of foam rubber out there.

    MacT switched ‘em all. Thought the extra whip would help them shoot harder.

  141. hunter1909 says:

    lol

  142. Swabbubba says:

    After 20, the posts are doing good. The PP is on life support.
    Horcoff needs to be benched… there was an extra 3 scoring chances for the Wings because he cannot move the puck 3 feet out of the zone.
    I thought it was shoulder injury but I am suspecting a lobotomy at this point. But I am digging Reddox.

    Is it me or is Vish totally useless at keeping the puck in the Zone on PP.

  143. Coach pb9617 says:

    More like about 1.33 slapshots every two minutes. It’s a disgrace.

    You track that too?!

  144. hunter1909 says:

    If this was a boxing match it would have been stopped by now.

  145. mc79hockey says:

    Did Strudwick lose a bet or something? That was a bizarre interview, although I get the feeling he thinks that the Oilers can skate with the Wings.

  146. mc79hockey says:

    You track that too?!

    They were at about 42 PPS/60 last I saw. We know that they only take shots from the blueline. (What? That was a joke. Nevermind.)

  147. Lowetide says:

    Nice performance by Strudwick there, or maybe it was canned from a previous game.

    Either way, it was not an interview from this game based on the question and response.

  148. hunter1909 says:

    “We’re locked up in another close one after 1 period of play” Red Wings announcer

    Does MacT have to pay this guy off to say that?

  149. mc79hockey says:

    Can we call it? Has hunter’s schtick gotten old?

  150. Coach pb9617 says:

    Horcoff needs to be benched…

    LT, can you please resign from HF?

  151. Dennis says:

    I’m not saying 85 isn’t doing a good job on his line but I’m liking the 13-26 chem and hoping they’re eventually joined by 89 on a soft min line once MacT comes to his fucking senses.

    In the meantime, I noticed 77 being more physical than usual and has there ever been a guy with a better reputation that takes bad penalties than Moreau?

    If the Oilers win this one it could be the game that makes Lou pick up the phone and get some help for Weekes.

    BTW, loved how Quinn was talking about the kids plus 37/77 and said, “there’s the future.”

    Someday never comes, though.

    That’s your CCR reference, Ty;)

    Oh, and kevin lowe is the fortunate son. And MacT could be a sweet hitchiker for any teams looking for a new coach.

    Ok, that’s enough for now:)

  152. mc79hockey says:

    Hurray! Another 1:57 of embarassment to come!

  153. Showerhead says:

    coach: I wasn’t directly familiar with the Montreal PP but anyone who has ever played or been closely familiar with any sport knows that no matter how good a play is, it only works if it’s used as an option. It’s like: Why does a good 3 point shooter ever have time and space to get a good look? Because he’s fast enough off the dribble that you have to respect him by giving him space. Taking the shot has got to be a response to the options available to you, not the forced end result of every motion.

    (I almost feel like I’ll get kicked out for using basketball as a second sport reference on this site… forgive me please??)

    and doritogrande: Oh gracious. I believe you, I really do, but wow. Just wow.

  154. doritogrande says:

    Hey everyone, look!

    Todd Marchant!

  155. PDO says:

    Is there any Oiler that can at least hit the net on his 5 star chance?

  156. mc79hockey says:

    Dennis – I think MacT would probably tag Penner with “Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand, Lord they don’t help themselves” at the moment.

  157. doritogrande says:

    At least they didn’t score shorthanded, right?

    Samulsson with the goal, MacT with the blank expression.

  158. Showerhead says:

    Hurray! Another 1:57 of embarassment to come

    That’s what he said?

  159. mc79hockey says:

    Awful lot of white shirts just watching Samuelsson step in there.

  160. Coach pb9617 says:

    Staios, please clear.

    Also, how was Stortini on the ice against Zetterberg? Ooof.

  161. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers cleverly lulling the Wings into a sense of arrogant superiority

  162. PDO says:

    Also, how was Stortini on the ice against Zetterberg? Ooof.

    Gagner against Hossa doesn’t make me feel a whole lot better.

    Brodziak has to knock down that pass. Just has to.

  163. Showerhead says:

    Showerhead said: Then I realized it was just another pass bouncing across the best ice in the NHL.

    Hmm, apparently there was a time I didn’t know where tonight’s game was being played. Whoops.

  164. hunter1909 says:

    Horcoff looks like Gretzky behind the net

  165. doritogrande says:

    Get Nilsson on Hemsky’s line and we may have a line that can outplay one of Detroit’s 4. They’re the two guys that look to have some jump in my eyes.

  166. hunter1909 says:

    Gong show hockey lol

  167. mc79hockey says:

    Watching Conklin play the puck competently behind his net leaves me filled with rage. Also, his post-lockout save percentage is up to about .906 or .907 now, IIRC, after a nifty little .880 in Edmonton.

  168. hunter1909 says:

    I wonder what the Mactavish is a great coach contingent says after this abortion of a hockey game?

  169. Dennis says:

    If Strudwick was a lady then it would be ok to go to her place at around 3am when the bars have closed but you don’t waste a sober night by watching a DVD with her

    Hockey translation: that guy has nothing else to do but tie up Samuelsson’s stick on that 2-0 goal and I’m ready for him to take a seat. I’m also ready for 89 to play against lesser opp as well.

    And it would be nice if 13 and 78 could’ve actually hit the net on those Grade A chances.

  170. Lowetide says:

    Keep on Choogling
    Keep on Choogling
    Keep on Choogling
    Choogling,
    Choogling.

  171. Showerhead says:

    Whoa, Tyler… .906… you’re not suggesting Ty Conklin is… an average NHL goaltender???

  172. doritogrande says:

    There goes the second life of the night. Not many times does Marian Hossa miss from that close in. Brilliant save by Roloson.

  173. hunter1909 says:

    LOL Oilers manage to fluke a goal then mactavish talks about the close score later.

  174. Coach pb9617 says:

    showerhead:

    Watch here, you’ll have to watch for when they’re on the power play but it’s a constant that the play comes from the opposite side.

  175. PDO says:

    You know, the Oilers have had quite a few chances to score here.

  176. doritogrande says:

    Two Cogliano and Pouliot two on ones. Two Cogliano and Pouliot shots that don’t find twine. Nice creativity guys.

  177. mc79hockey says:

    For an offensive defencemen, Souray is a simply fucking brutal passer. Slipper mentioned a while back that he thought Souray did it so that he could be the shooter – I think that he’s just inept.

  178. kinger says:

    YEA!!!

    POWERPLAY!!

  179. Showerhead says:

    Too bad we couldn’t have declined this thing so as to still have some semblance of momentum. Also, has anyone noticed that #89 kid isn’t exactly that hard on the puck sometimes?

  180. hunter1909 says:

    that was a powerplay right

  181. gjimson says:

    Watching these past few game threads dominated by singular personalities I think I might be about ready to let loose of my own ideas. (Horcoff is an overpaid 3rd liner, fire MacT, Gagner to AHL, blah, blah…)

  182. doritogrande says:

    YEA!!!

    We made it through the POWERPLAY!!!

  183. Coach pb9617 says:

    Has no one told Sam Gagner to stop that mothereffing backhand pass off of the boards to no one yet?

    How many times does he have to do that before someone says “Hey stupid kid, quit it before I give you a wedgie”?

  184. hunter1909 says:

    I’m imagining that Conklin’s playing in game 1 of the 2006 finals

  185. Coach pb9617 says:

    Did Souray just hit Moreau in the foot with that powerplay?

  186. hunter1909 says:

    I’m sure MacT will know what to do

  187. doritogrande says:

    Fuck you Souray. Stop shooting for red shinpads!

    And another goal off a turnover. We play again tomorrow don’t we? Crap.

  188. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are softening up the Red Wings for the next game, I’m certain of that.

  189. Showerhead says:

    Hey look, a scoring chance!

  190. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers are now using their hologram sticks

  191. RiversQ says:

    What this team needs now is a really impressive display of hugging. You know? The kind of hugging that prevents the other team from gaining momentum. The New Jersey Devils of hugging. The kind of hugging that causes flies to be trapped in amber.

    Anyone with me here? You picking up what I’m putting down?

  192. Lowetide says:

    Well I think it goes without saying that the MacT podcast ratings will go through the roof after the game.

  193. Coach pb9617 says:

    It’s amazing – there are 5 or 6 guys having their best game of the year at even strength so far.

    Also, how about 27-13-26 as your number two line behind 12 – 10 – 83?

  194. hunter1909 says:

    What we need to do is wait for Kevin Lowe to explain to us what’s happening

  195. mc79hockey says:

    It’s amazing – there are 5 or 6 guys having their best game of the year at even strength so far.

    Who do you have your eye on coach? It looks like Vic’s little program doesn’t crank out the magic until after the game but 10/12 have had a number of good shifts. Hell 10 put one together with 46 and 78.

  196. RiversQ says:

    I don’t really want to pile on here because the Oilers are on the road playing the best team in hockey, but why exactly does anyone think this team has enough NHL calibre hockey players that can win enough puck battles to make the playoffs?

    MacT noodling around aside, I just don’t see it. The only way they get matchup is if the other team has just one or two lines.

  197. Showerhead says:

    coach: Watching those Montreal PP goals, I would suggest the one constant is that the PK unit is almost invariably moving, IE shifting coverage, as Souray gets his shot off. He doesn’t always have a ton of room, but that seam is being opened and that can only happen as a result of the PK needing to respect other options.

  198. Showerhead says:

    Before coach gets a chance, I would suggest adding #13 to the list. 10 and 12 were the first two that came to my mind as well.

  199. mc79hockey says:

    I don’t really want to pile on here because the Oilers are on the road playing the best team in hockey, but why exactly does anyone think this team has enough NHL calibre hockey players that can win enough puck battles to make the playoffs?

    Agree with this Riv. Gagner has been invisible tonight when he isn’t making that cute little play off the wall. Penner probably draws back in for the next one, I assume.

  200. hunter1909 says:

    With a new coach I’m sure Oilers win the cup.

    : p

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