His Truth Is Marching ON!

Rob Schremp has been called up to the Edmonton Oilers. Robert Nilsson is hurt and prayers have been answered across Oilerdom.

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  1. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    LT said:

    “Jordan Eberle is the #2 prospect in the Oilers organization because his one dominant skill is as precious as gold.

    Scoring goals.”

    Given the cynicism regarding Shremp who scored 41, both are undersized, slow, both have been known to “mail it in”, I’d be interested why you value one prospect so much more than the other.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Fake Craig MacTavish: Actually, Schremp has always done pretty well in my top 20′s:

    Winter 2004: #1
    Summer 2005: #4
    Winter 2005: #1
    Summer 2006: #1
    Winter 2006: #2
    Summer 2007: #5
    Winter 2007: #5
    Summer 2008: #5
    Winter 2008: ??

    I think he’s a one dimensional player but he’s got talent in that area. I’ve always said Rob Schremp had the chance to be an impact player in a narrow view and in fact he didn’t slide down the top 20 until after his first pro season.

    Should Eberle perform in a similar fashion in his 20-year old AHL season you can expect the same or similar ranking.

  3. RiversQ says:

    Great. Well here’s hoping he can get something done.

    BTW, when is management going to sort out the goalie mess and find a couple skaters? They ought to solve one of the three problems in the next two weeks.

  4. raventalon40 says:

    The Stanley and nothing less.

    I’ll do a write up on Robbie #2 when I get the chance.

  5. Schitzo says:

    Has anyone caught the last post in the Dallas GDT? Dude posted claiming he’s the one MacT nearly slugged.

  6. bookie says:

    Is this the ‘big shakeup’ that was suggested in the Metro (from unamed sources). I doubt it. I think the plan is to give it a couple of more games and then consider trade/coach issues.

    Any consideration that Shremp is coming up as trade bait?

  7. Bill Needle says:

    It’s about time for Schremp’s annual two minutes of NHL ice time.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Well I think he’s earned the call.


    “He has been unbelievable since coming here from Edmonton . His skating hasn’t slowed down, which sometimes we see after coming down from the NHL. He is working extremely hard in practice, and most nights he has been the pacemaker and our best forward.”

    “I think more his mental outlook has improved. He knows he is close to the NHL. We had a meeting when he came back and he told me he would be one our best players, not some nights, but every night, and he has held his end of the bargain so far.”

  9. bookie says:

    He may do well on the Kid Line. ALl three of the Kids suggested that part of their success was knowing that they were on the ice with people of similar ‘experience’ which allowed them to play their game (as opposed to always passing to the veterans, etc.). They were not afraid to offend someone. I know that Cogs and Gags have 1.25 years more experience at the NHL level, but I get the feeling that Shremp will find a comfort zone with them.

  10. NotLeeFogolin says:

    Schremp seems over-ripe to me. Maybe it’s the years and years of chatter and 5 mins of career NHL time.

  11. bookie says:

    Schremp seems over-ripe to me. Maybe it’s the years and years of chatter and 5 mins of career NHL time.

    It could be because he has more Youtube minutes than NHL minutes?

  12. digger says:

    We’ll know which way the wind’s blowing if Schremp gets the same kind of ‘Welcome to the NHL’ speech that MacT gave to the media once upon a time during one of Rita’s tragic callups:

    “I guess management feels that he’s ready to play in the NHL…”

    That was the one where Rita came up, practiced with the team for a couple days, then was sent right back down.

    Hopefully Schremp’s linemates don’t turn out to be Zach Stortini and a half empty jar of Smucker’s jam.

  13. bookie says:

    Digger – I hear that Roli and JDD are sick with the Flu, so it appears that the Jar of Smuckers Jam will be playing net.

    I am not certain where that leaves Shremp, but I would suspect that he will be on right D, while Staios moves up to center the First line.

  14. HBomb says:

    If we see Reddox moved up with Cogliano and Nilsson and Schremp put with Pouliot and Stortini:

    a) That will be the answer to the “the organization thinks” debate.

    b) It might be the final nail in MacT’s coffin as Oiler coach.

    I’m not a Schrempophile like some, but they’d better put him in a position to succeed.

    With Gagner and Cogliano (i.e. other skill players). Playing the soft minutes.

  15. B.C.B. says:

    I would think they play schremp with the rest of the kids . . . if MacT didn’t, he would make Tambo look pretty stupid with his round peg/square hole comments.

    also if Schremp is coming up for a showcase, he’ll be on the second line.

  16. Lord Bob says:

    Poor Rob Schremp. Now he has to come save the coach’s job. But it’s all in a day’s work for Captain America!

  17. Ribs says:

    He had better sharpen his skates!

    If he gets a chance at the kid line he’s going to need to keep up if he plans on staying there for more than two shifts.

    The Falcons have been slumping in the goal department lately. I hope it’s not indicative of how Schremp’s been doing.

  18. mjsh says:

    I hope he does well. He has paid his dues in more ways than one. An interesting thought. Shremp played in the world juniors, so did Cogliano. Any other current Oilers play in the world juniors? That seems to be the biggest measuring stick as to whether a guy makes the NHL.

  19. quain says:

    It could be because he has more Youtube minutes than NHL minutes?

    Has Desjardins released his Youtube to NHL equivalencies yet? I saw that one lacrosse-style goal which was totally wicked, that’s worth at least thirty goals at the NHL level, right?

  20. Traktor says:

    Tonight hasn’t been good around the NHL for the Oil.

    Nashville beats Buffalo
    Columbus beats Vancouver
    Colorado beats Minnesota
    Los Angeles up on Toronto 1-0 in the first

    I think the reason Schremp gets so much press from the fans is because they haven’t seen proof that he can’t play in the NHL. They got over 100 games of Pouliot and over 50 of JFJ even though he didn’t register a point. I think if Schremp would have received a legit opportunity like 10 games on the 2nd line then he get half as much love from the fans that he does now.

    We all know he has the skill and after riding the bus for 3 years I he might have an edge in mental toughness over the kids. Cogs and Gagner have never had to face adversity. Nothing came easy to Schremp from this org and it might benefit Schremp in the long run.

    I expect him to play like it’s game 7 and that kinda stuff rubs off on the rest off the players.

  21. Ozzieoiler says:

    With Nilsson out they seemed to have made the right choice in Schremp. Not a single whine since he was sent out. Hopefully he gets more than a few minutes.

  22. doritogrande says:

    “An interesting thought. Shremp played in the world juniors, so did Cogliano. Any other current Oilers play in the world juniors? That seems to be the biggest measuring stick as to whether a guy makes the NHL.”

    There are hits and misses to this situation within the Oilers organization.

    Off the top of my head:
    -Cogliano
    -Gagner
    -Schremp
    -Chorney
    -O’Marra
    -Dubnyk
    -Kytnar
    -Motin
    Digging a little deeper, I also found:
    -Hemsky
    I’m also not sure about Nilsson, Garon is a possibility, as was Staios.

    Fact remains, there are definite hits in our organization, and obvious misses, so I don’t think it can be seen as a measuring stick for Schremp’s (or anyone’s) career standing.

  23. Dennis says:

    12 had a great game on the backcheck in Det and he scored vs Col and made that sweet pass to Cogs Marchant last Saturday.

    But I really haven’t liked his game with the puck lately and just yesterday I saw him make two terrible giveaways. Granted he’s up for the battle most days these days and I think he’s certainly better than Schremp but it’s not like we’re losing 12 while he’s on a hot streak, either.

    The interesting thing about Rob is that he was most likely having a better year last year than this year; at least counting stats wise. He’s PPG this year but he was just two off that mark last year and he was doing it with a lesser cast.

    Of course last year he finished at -15 and this year he’s at plus 5 so maybe that’s a real difference.

    His latest first game vs the Stars won’t be so bad because the 18-51-36 line should have some confidence and those guys plus Horpensky will be given the time against Modano and Ribero’s lines; Schremp should be be on the Kids line and he should be sheltered.

    And we know that when we have the sheltering option or we play young and/or undermanned teams like TO, LA and Dal that we always come out on top.

  24. Lowetide says:

    Well dammit. I didn’t see that. He was part of the famous trade that sent Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield to Boston for Martin, Gilles Marotte and Jack Norris.

    What I remember most about him was the time he ripped the Blackhawks a new one because (he said) they were a bunch of individuals and didn’t play as a team. Didn’t check, didn’t work, it was a beauty.

    Funny thing was, the Hawks players agreed and they went on a several year run near the top of the charts after he said it.

    True story.

  25. doritogrande says:

    To add to my previous comment:

    - Nilsson did in fact play in the WJC.

    - Garon and Staios did not, but both have played for Canada in the senior circuit of the world championships.

    - Erik Cole has also represented his country, but olympically speaking.

    - It appears our captain has not been invited to the national party.

    - Wikipedia says that Lubo played internationally, but I think it was in the senior circuit, and not the WJC. He was 20 at the time.

    - Tom Gilbert and Denis Grebeshkov played in the senior circuit in 2008.

    Which all adds up to the following: we’ve got a boatload of international talent on this team. But very little NHL success to my eye.

  26. rickibear says:

    Dorito: I allways go to the IIHF site. that is my measuring stick for potential nhl guys.

    Mr. Nilsson: lead his team in 2004.

    http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments/output/W20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/6/IHM0060SWE_83_1_0.pdf

    Mr. Bumagin: lead his team in 2007.

    http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/96/IHM0960RUS_83_7_0.pdf

    Linus Omark: Omark and Backstrom for sweden 2007.

    http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/96/IHM0960SWE_83_8_0.pdf

    Just look at the top 20 of each tournament for scoring and Defensive scoring and +/-. you will drool.

  27. Chris says:

    Well, I supose we can’t say at this point that Schremp hasn’t payed his dues.His AHL coach sounds like Schremp’s been doing everything asked of him. Its odd to me that he hasn’t been able to find the back of the net this year as he’s suposedly a goal scorer. However, this is definately his chance to earn himself a roster spot.

    I admit to being fascinated to see how the Great Hockey Futures Hope fares when given a shot in the NHL. It would be hilarious if he was called up and set the NHL on fire saving the job of the coach who never wanted him. Its an unlikely scenario but the irony would be gold.

  28. Scott says:

    The WJC can be a good indicator for sure, but then you get a Rita or Bumagin who show up and light it up there just to tease… so it’s still imperfect.

  29. St George says:

    Schremp seems over-ripe to me. Maybe it’s the years and years of chatter and 5 mins of career NHL time.

    I dunno. Might have been exactly what he needed. Detroit goes out of their way to keep propspects in the minors as long as possible so that they are good and ready when they make it to the NHL. I see no reason we might not want to follow that best practice.

  30. Alice says:

    LT ,
    where did you find Nash’s FO stats? I toured the ECAC site, which was half-decent, btw, but faceoff info I did not find.

  31. rickibear says:

    Scott: The first round of the draft is not perfect.

  32. Lord Bob says:

    Scott, rickibear: only Rob Schremp is perfect.

  33. doritogrande says:

    Alice:

    Cornell’s website runs faceoff wins and losses in their game summaries each game. They’re listed on the second page of the PDF.

  34. Jonathan says:

    I’m actually optimistic about this – Schremp’s done his time in the minors, and I think he’s the most worthy callup at this time.

    I don’t think he’ll set the world aflame, but Robert Nilsson hasn’t exactly been doing that either, so this probably won’t hurt much.

    And as for HFBoards, I think only BBO is keeping hope alive; hype has come and gone. by and large.

  35. Lord Bob says:

    I only just looked at Schremp’s numbers this year, believe it or not.

    18GP, 1G, 17A? Excuse me, but what the hell kind of line is that? Is that terrifyingly awful or unbelievably brilliant? Is that the AHL record for smacking one off the goalpost and having Ryan Potulny tap it in? Is that Schremp randomly channeling Adam Oates just for the hell of it?

    I don’t know how to feel about those numbers, aside from angry!

  36. Ribs says:

    LBob, He’s been more of a playmaker than a sniper since turning pro.

    I thought maybe it was a stick problem (he wasn’t allowed to use the brand he had been using in London), but it still hasn’t come back, so I don’t know. I guess he just doesn’t have the shot that he looked like he had in junior?

    Also this year he’s been playing with guys who like to shoot so that hurts his goal count as well.

  37. Lord Bob says:

    LBob, He’s been more of a playmaker than a sniper since turning pro.

    The playmaker has not yet lived with a 17:1 ratio of assists to goals, though. That’s not playmaking, that’s just insane.

  38. Lowetide says:

    Alice: It’s as dorito stated, they run the Won/loss in the faceoff circle on the second page of Cornell’s game page. Just click on each one and scroll down.

    Lord Bob: Buddy’s EV points-per-game last year and then so far this season:

    07-08: 71gp, 8-21-29 .408
    08-09: 18gp, 1-12-13 .722

    Those are the numbers that are interesting, along with a nice +5. Let’s not go crazy, he’s a .290 batter in Triple A but he has some power and might be able to help the offense.

  39. Ribs says:

    Here’s a fun one to match against Schremps numbers….

    Danny Syvret: 5G, 17A, 22Pts in 23 games.

  40. Chris says:

    I supose it could be a cold snap with respect to his goal scoring, it happens look at Gagner right now. Sometimes players just can’t buy a goal no matter how many shots they’re putting up. The AHL website seems to indicate he’s taken 36 shots in 18 games, so his shooting percentage is ridiculous at 2.7%. Whether Schremp is taking shots from just inside the blue line or just suffering from aweful luck is something I can’t say not having seen him play. I supose its possible he could be playing more conservatively and not driving the net as much so he doesn’t get caught deep in the offensive zone when play goes the other way.

  41. bookie says:

    Whatta figure we get if we pacage Schemp and Roli in a trade?

    I figure a slightly overpaid reliable third liner.

    Anyway, that’s one way of seeing the events of recent!

  42. raventalon40 says:

    “Digger – I hear that Roli and JDD are sick with the Flu, so it appears that the Jar of Smuckers Jam will be playing net.

    I am not certain where that leaves Shremp, but I would suspect that he will be on right D, while Staios moves up to center the First line.”

    … hilarious.

    Seriously, anybody who would put Schremp with Brodziak and Stortini doesn’t even deserve to coach in the ECHL.

    I’ve heard the “Hemsky started his career with Moreau” argument before, but Brodziak and Stortini are hardly comparisons for Moreau.

  43. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    bookie said…
    Whatta figure we get if we pacage Schemp and Roli in a trade?

    I figure a slightly overpaid reliable third liner.”

    And Lord knows the Oilers could use some more overpaid 3rd liners. You just can’t have enough of those in a cap world.

  44. GSC says:

    Maybe Schremp plays alongside his upstate NY compadre Erik Cole? Might end up working out well for both of them…

  45. Matt says:

    Back to the OT again…

    Yesterday afternoon, XM204 replayed a Pit Martin interview from ~ last year. Pit’s fun trivia:

    - He was teammates with Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, and Bobby Hull
    - He believes he is the only guy to be Orr’s teammate on 2 NHL teams

  46. Coach pb9617 says:

    This isn’t a replacement for Nilsson. Nilsson has been responsible in his own zone.

  47. Unleaded says:

    Oh, I thought everybody knew what Sugartits was doing. See, everyone in the org. knows that Edmonton needs goalscorers. And for him to make the big show and stick, he knows that he will need to score first game he plays in. So Robbie decides that the only true way to make sure it happens is to make the need to score so overwhelming by the time he gets a call-up he can’t help but seal the deal.

    You heard it hear first guys – Robbie’s been saving up.

  48. uni says:

    Is that Schremp randomly channeling Adam Oates just for the hell of it?

    As much as a Brett Hull would be nice, I’d take an Oates (in his prime not the twilight Oates we saw) anyday =).

    I know it won’t happen, but it would entertain me no end if Schremp only popped 2 goals but put up 55ish assists over 60 games heh heh.

  49. Matt N says:

    I have to say that I am really pulling for him. I don’t count myself as a HockeyJesus guy but he certainly has been a good soldier given his situation this year and last. I really hope that he gets soft minutes with Cogliano and Gagner as well as Nilssons second line PP time. If he ends up playing 3 minutes on a line with Reddox and Stortini then this is just a waste. MacT is a better judge of hockey talent than I but this guy needs to be in the right situation to succeed.

  50. namflashback says:

    raventalon,

    Not odd at all to have him play some shifts with Brodziak or Pouliot. He played parts of 06-07 with Brodziak and parts of both the past two seasons with Pouliot.

    In the London Knights go to Europe tourney last summer, he played on a line with Pouliot and Gagner.

    Some familiarity there.

    However, he has been playing LW, and the LW slot on the kid line is the one that is open, including the PP#2 time that 12 was getting. He’ll probably get all of Nilsson’s responsibilities except for any 4×4 time.

    Here is what I would expect (and the St Louis and Dallas games played this way)

    ESTOI rank most to least
    27-10-83
    18-51-26
    88-13-89
    85-78-46

    PPTOI rank
    27-10-83
    88-13-89

    PKTOI
    10-85
    18-51
    don’t know why he doesn’t try 78-26

  51. CrazyCoach says:

    MY money is on Digger’s prediction.

  52. quain says:

    I think a Stanley Cup is probably a lock at this point, so we should be focusing on a tougher task: Getting Schremp in as a starter at the All Star Game. Let’s start the voting.

  53. Coach pb9617 says:

    but he certainly has been a good soldier given his situation this year and last.

    Until this year, he’s never done what the organization has asked of him. How is that being a “good soldier”?

  54. hockeyfan says:

    Do you think Tambellini would consider bringing ryan smyth back? You could get him for next to nothing and it would be a very popular move with the fans.

  55. Alice says:

    A 5M Glencross replacement might not be as popular as you might think. Now if they brought him back to replace Pete Peters, maybe we’d have something to cheer about!

  56. Matt N says:

    @coach

    Last year he was 11th in the A in scoring. He has been better defensively (+5)kept up a point per game scoring pace this year. So that to me is keeping up his end on the ice.

    More specifically, he could have pitched a fit and gone off through his agent demanding a trade or making noise in the press. We heard a bit out of him last year with the flirtation with the SEL, but otherwise he has been Nuke Laloosh (“I’m just here to help the team. The good lord willing and the creek don’t rise……..”)

    I imagine that seeing Tim Sestito and Liam Reddux get the call ahead of him would sting a little.

    IMO, producing on the ice and keeping your mouth shut off about slights, either real or imagined,is being a good soldier.

  57. Master Lok says:

    Raventalon40
    Seriously, anybody who would put Schremp with Brodziak and Stortini doesn’t even deserve to coach in the ECHL.

    A bit myopic don’t you think? Considering that Brodziak was playing 1st line in the AHL before the Oilers…

  58. Black Dog says:

    he certainly says the right thing – re: Sestito he said that Sestito was called up to provide energy and kill penalties and that he had not killed a penalty in seven years so there you go

    he also said that they are bringing him up to provide what he was drafted to provide

    sounds to me like they spelled out to him in September that he was going to be the first call up when an offensive replacement was needed as long as he worked hard and kept his mouth shut

    he has done so and now they are calling him up

    what is heartening is that Tambellini has figured out what Lowe never did – call up a guy who fits into the role you need – I’m neither love nor hate this guy but calling him up and playing him five minutes in an energy role with Stortini et al never made a lick of sense

  59. Dennis says:

    I’m pretty much with Pat here because if I hear a guy saying the right things than I’m gonna root for him and it seems like Schremp might believe that it’s best for him that he learn to play in all the areas of the ice.

    And I’m sure he appreciates the fact that he got the first offensive guy call over Brule even though the papers mentioned Brule having the flu when sussing out the latest call-up.

    In any case I’m on the kid’s side and it would be great if he’s an actual player and we could look to move 12 and say 37 for a real defender to round out our top four D.

    Every guy who proves he can play gives us more depth to make a deal and RS is a long ways away from that but here’s hoping.

    BTW, did you see what Avery said today?

    “I am really happy to be back in Calgary, I love Canada,” Avery told TSN on Tuesday. “I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the NHL for guys to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I don’t know what that’s about. Enjoy the game tonight.”

    Take that, Ugly!

  60. namflashback says:

    Dennis,

    Great post — percolating NHL players from the draft is an organizational must-have. The scouts have done their job, and whether or not there is a slot for every prospect is beside the point — they remain an asset if they “ripen.” It doesn’t matter the timeline.

    So he may have his shortcomings as a player archetype, but it is worth finding out if he is a player. If he is, it would be a good problem to have.

    On Avery — that is totally awesome. I can imagine the comments he’ll be throwing Dion’s way in the corners. I think Calgary loses this game because of a selfish penalty or out-of-position-play by Phaneuf.

  61. Black Dog says:

    Well, for anyone who is counting (LT?) Schremp will be the tenth Oiler draft pick to suit up and play forward this season.

    Horcoff, Hemsky, Gagner, Cogliano, Pisani, Brodziak, Pouliot, Reddox, Stortini and now Schremp.

    Some of these guys may not have much in terms of careers but I would say this team is doing something right in the draft.

  62. Sean says:

    “I am really happy to be back in Calgary, I love Canada,” Avery told TSN on Tuesday. “I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the NHL for guys to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I don’t know what that’s about. Enjoy the game tonight.”

    Wow gonna be a gooder…

  63. raventalon40 says:

    namflashback:

    Pouliot and Brodziak have drastically different roles than Schremp ever had back in 06-07 or on the London Knights. We’re talking about a PP specialist, offensive player versus a 4th line plugger who is essentially an energy player. If they were going to go for that, they should stick to the Reddox’s and the Sestito’s.

    Familiarity or not, you don’t call up your farm team’s leading scorer so that he can plug it up with Stortini.

    To suggest that MacT expects Schremp and Brodziak along with Pouliot or Stortini to click as a scoring line, checking line, or energy line, is an experiment that will end in failure.

  64. raventalon40 says:

    A bit myopic don’t you think? Considering that Brodziak was playing 1st line in the AHL before the Oilers…

    Same thing again, Robbie Nilsson is a defensively responsible guy. Not saying Rob Schremp can’t backcheck, but if you had to pick someone to kill a penalty or give a shift on the energy line, it wouldn’t be him. Even if you wanted him to do it, you would ease him into it, not throw him to the wolves on his first call-up of the year.

  65. Doogie2K says:

    In the London Knights go to Europe tourney last summer, he played on a line with Pouliot and Gagner.

    Some familiarity there.

    Just to clarify, this is Benoit Pouliot, now of the Minnesota Wild system; Marc-Antoine was already in the AHL by this point.

    Re: Avery – Wow. Ugly’ll need the patience of a saint or he’s gonna take a match penalty. (Go Avery!)

  66. namflashback says:

    raven,

    I think you misunderstood. You had responded to a comment that had been a sarcastic post, and included Brodziak in the mix. If the criteria is: play him with a pair of players who he is familiar with, I’m just saying Brodziak and Pouliot are guys who he is familiar with. And Gagner too.

    The point is that he got the call up to play in Nilsson’s place, and with a home game, and 18-51-26 playing the secondary toughs, that is the logical place for it. (which I stated in the rest of my post).

    You are the only who mentioned Stortini with Schremp at all. So no need to argue against something that nobody else suggested.

  67. Oilman says:

    Just to clarify, this is Benoit Pouliot, now of the Minnesota Wild system; Marc-Antoine was already in the AHL by this point.

    No, pretty sure Marc Andre played in that Knights Euro tourney last summer, not Benoit.

  68. Oilman says:

    Just to clarify, this is Benoit Pouliot, now of the Minnesota Wild system; Marc-Antoine was already in the AHL by this point.

    No, pretty sure Marc Andre played in that Knights Euro tourney last summer, not Benoit.

  69. Oilman says:

    Just to clarify, this is Benoit Pouliot, now of the Minnesota Wild system; Marc-Antoine was already in the AHL by this point.

    No, pretty sure Marc Andre played in that Knights Euro tourney last summer, not Benoit.

  70. namflashback says:

    doogie,

    disagree. Not sure precisely how MAP got in on this, since he was neither a London Knight and he played in the QMJHL.

    London Free Press Article

    Thread on HF. Several direct Europe reports that keep saying Edmonton’s or Springfield’s Marc Pouliout.

  71. bookie says:

    Avery won’t play tonight, the league just suspended him. They wreck all of the fun, I personally thought that his ‘screening’ last year was one of the best hockey plays ever.

  72. Dennis says:

    I think it’s absolute bullshit that the NHL has suspended Avery for this.

    If LT gives this it’s own post – which I think he should and I hope he will because it’s setting a dangerous precedent for the league – then I’ll get into it further at that time. And if he doesn’t then I’ll just come back here.

  73. slipper says:

    I think it’s a wise decision by the NHL.

    You can’t have guys talking about other player’s wives or girlfirends though the press.

  74. Doogie2K says:

    Not sure precisely how MAP got in on this, since he was neither a London Knight and he played in the QMJHL.

    That was my reasoning, too. I mean, at least Benoit played in the “O” (I was mistaken in him being a Knight; he was actually a Wolf). But I see now that that’s got nothing to do with nothing. Weird.

    Re: Avery – On the one hand, no one provides bulletin board material anymore, so almost any is welcome, even if it is a bit crude. On the other, I can see the NHL’s position on this: say whatever shit you want on the ice, but keep the personal stuff out of the media.

  75. Black Dog says:

    Stars are sending him home so he’ll miss tomorrow’s game as well.

    I’m torn on this – a bush league run by a bunch of jerk lawyers and a guy who’s the biggest tool in the league.

    Hmmmm.

  76. slipper says:

    It would be worse for the NHL if they didn’t react and someone left tonight’s game with a serious injury.

  77. CrazyCoach says:

    While I think Avery is just a step above used hot dog water, I don’t know what justification the NHL has in suspending him. I’m pretty sure Paul Kelly will be taking notes and bringing this idiocy up during the next CBA negotiations.

    People used to think that Clarence Campbell ruled the league like a dictator. What is Bettman’s reasoning for this?

    I say let Avery play and let the players sort it out.

  78. Ribs says:

    Well, that’s one less NHL player to worry about in tomorrow’s game….

    I wonder how boring Avery will look watching the next few games from his couch.

  79. doritogrande says:

    RE: Avery.

    I think the suspension is so that a guy like Stephane Robidas doesn’t wind up dead because he has to answer the bell for the fuckwad that is Sean Avery.

    Complete waste of a hockey player. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Fuck you, Sean Avery. If only we could introduce you to Mike Danton and his team of lawyers… Oh well, dare to dream.

  80. slipper says:

    Thomas Hick’s reaction.

    People really don’t see what’s wrong with this?

    What if some player came into Edmonton and told the local and national press that they boinked Sheldon Souray’s wife? What if somebody said this about your own wife or girlfriend?

  81. doritogrande says:

    slipper:

    I’d say it’s a good thing that Cuthbert isn’t a southern belle and Avery isn’t from Missoura. Else there be a posse a gatherin’

  82. CrazyCoach says:

    Slipper there is plenty wrong with what Avery said, but the NHL suspending him for disparaging remarks is wrong to.

    Why not let him play and let darwinism take over for the night?

    The NHL owners and governors act all righteous and holier-than-thou, but the reality is they act just as dirty as Avery.

    And why is Don Cherry still on TV? He constantly rags on Europeans and French players, but because he supposedly speaks for the majority, its ok?

    The NHL suspending Avery is hypocritical.

  83. CrazyCoach says:

    Dorito you just made me laugh with your last post.

    Good one!

  84. doritogrande says:

    CrazyCoach:

    I gotta disagree. As much as I would love to see Avery suffer from the hands of Phaneuf, Iginla and Bertuzzi simultaneously (especially Bertuzzi), the NHL did the right thing to lock this fucker down when they did.

    He’s bad for the game, both the on-ice and off-ice marketing of the game can do without his comments. If they were to have let him play tonight, and were he to get tagged, you just know that media in the States would spin this as going back to the goon-old days. Which, with failing markets everywhere, is not something the NHL can afford now.

    If the sports-minded fan wants to watch trash talk and concussions, they’ll watch MMA. Which by the way, still kicks the NHL’s ass in ratings across the board.

  85. CrazyCoach says:

    Dorito,

    If the NHL was so conscious about its image, what was Don Cherry doing on NBC during the finals last year looking like a clown?

    There are people in the media constantly looking for anything bad in regards to hockey. That is nothing new, neither is the NHL’s antiquated rules around suspensions.

    I would believe the NHL more if they actually suspended players for hits to the head rather than suspending one headcase. Now that Avery is suspended, do you think the US media is going to sit back and spin this story for the NHL? No. Chances are they will use it to once again portray the NHL as bush league in its approach.

  86. Lord Bob says:

    The Colin Campbell Wheel of Justice now lays the smackdown for “hurt feelings”.

    I can imagine Phaneuf on the phone to the league office sniffling and saying “B-b-b-b-b-but he’s so mean!”

    I hear that a new rule being proposed for next year is that, instead of bodychecking, players will be required to give each other hugs. Zack Stortini will be a superstar.

  87. doritogrande says:

    CrazyCoach:

    Far be it from me to disagree with you RE: the Don. I’ll be second in line behind you to congratulate Ron MacLean on his “addition by subtraction”.

    But how could the NHL condone Avery calling a woman a whore? I’m pretty sure there can (and will) be legal repercussions. Can this not be classified as slander?

    I’m with you on the headshots. We both just have to admit that Bettman is a tool. Simple as that.

  88. Lord Bob says:

    If a statement is libel, let the legal system sort it out, because that’s what it’s for. Colin Campbell is not the law.

  89. Kris says:

    “Hey Halleran! Halleran! Your wife’s a lesbian! She’s a lesbian!”

    -Reggie Dunlop, Player-Coach of The Charleston Chiefs

  90. slipper says:

    Cherry isn’t an NHL employee.

    Hits to the head during the game is an entirely seperate issue from the personal conduct of players off the ice.

    Let’s not cloud the issue by attaching a player calling another player’s signifigant other a whore in the pre-game press to unrelated issues.

    Thre isn’t an established professional sports league in North America that doesn’t have a policy on the personal conduct of their players and employees. It would be bush league for the NHL not to react to Avery’s comments in this manner.

  91. Kris says:

    Yeah, I don’t think the league could do anything but suspend Avery here. If he weren’t a repeat offender, he might’ve got off with a public warning– he cou;d’ve said he didn’t intend to be offensive. But given tha Avery obviously intended to piss Phaneuf off, if the league didn’t crack down on Avery, it would set a precedent, and pretty soon every player in the league would be talking abot their most recent encounter with Mrs. Pronger.

    Ah, and Lord Bob: libel is written, slander is spoken.

  92. Lord Bob says:

    Ah, and Lord Bob: libel is written, slander is spoken.

    My statement was meant to apply in general terms, not exclusively to Mr. Sean Avery, Esquire. If I meant Avery in particular, I wouldn’t have made that error as we all know Sean Avery is illiterate.

    Oh, and just to recap:

    Sean Avery saying the words “sloppy seconds”: bush league
    Chris Pronger elbowing people in the face: not bush league

  93. bookie says:

    I cannot imagine how some of you think that this is not deserving of a suspention.

    I know that the NHL is a game, but its a game that is played on the ice. At times it spills over to being played in the press, but there is a simple rule. You can insult me (particularly if I am Brian Burke), but that is the extent of the game.

    The game is a part of the professional business that is the NHL. The official and unofficial conduct of that game happens WITHIN the NHL. Calling someone’s girlfriend “sloppy seconds” is outside of the respect and decorum that is allowed in the NHL. Thus a suspension is legitimate.

    Just like two boxers can punch each other at a weigh in without repercussions (part of the game), but a boxer could not punch someones trainer (not part of the game).

    I would have LOVED to have see Avery in the game tonight, but I understand why he is not. Its a business first and a game second.

  94. Black Dog says:

    Bush league.

    What’s next? Avery tagging Ott and coming in with the foreign object?

    I guess I’m showing my age (and I keep thinking i’m not that old) but Avery was out of bounds. Yes hockey is a sport and its entertainment but I find ‘boring’ Iginla far more entertaining that this clown. He’s a good hockey player but really, truly the guy is a piece of shit.

    I guess I must be getting old. I actually find the sport itself entertaining without the music, the t-shirt cannon and the jerkwads trying to get on TV.

    Now excuse me while I go get my wife to change my diaper. I appear to have lost control of my sphincter. Just slightly, mind you, but enough to cause a foul and noticeable odour.

  95. Schitzo says:

    Two small thoughts:

    One of the defences to libel is truth.

    And that really was MAP in Europe, he got invited by his best buddy Danny Syvret (who was a Knight)

  96. Baroque says:

    Here’s an idea – what if the press and everyone else (including Phaneuf and Cuthbert, who seem to be very happy together and don’t care what Avery thinks) had just ignored him? It was an idiot making a very crude comment about his ex-girlfriend – if it got no response, he wouldn’t have done it again because he was intending to provoke attention.

    Why can’t the media learn that when their moms said “if you ignore him, he’ll stop it because he is trying to provoke a reaction” they kind of knew what they were talking about?

    This should have been nothing but something to possibly attract some interest in a bad team visiting a mediocre team, instead of an issue that threatens to drag on until I am tempted to throw my internet off a cliff to stop hearing about it.

  97. Kris says:

    Baroque: True, the media is partly responsible -in a causal sense, anyway- but by giving Avery a soapbox, the media makes money. So it’s not realistic for them to censor him.

    And furthermore, the media, including sports media, really ought to keep censorship to a minimum. We have a right to know that Avery is unprofessional, just as much as his employers have the duty to demand that he be professional. If Avery made a racist comment to a reporter, we’d want to know and we’d have the right to know, and we should know so that we can demand the league take action.

    I really don’t see any reason to quibble with the league here, until they say his suspension is like 1 game. Nor did the media do anything wrong. The fault is Avery’s alone.

  98. Lord Bob says:

    I’m not saying that Sean Avery is a good person and that he isn’t a walking, talking reason to abolish the instigator rule.

    I just don’t think that hurting somebody’s feelings is a suspension-worthy offense.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Rishaug had an interesting viewpoint on my way home tonight (Jason Gregor’s show). He said (I think this is right) that the NHL might be worried about another Bertuzzi situation that sees emotions out of control and ends in everyone needing a lawyer.

  100. Coach pb9617 says:

    What if some player came into Edmonton and told the local and national press that they boinked Sheldon Souray’s wife? What if somebody said this about your own wife or girlfriend?

    So what?

    Charles Barkley said something appropriate here about role models.

    Every other league has multiple felons still active. The worst the NHL can do is a guy that comments on the chick he used to bang.

  101. Black Dog says:

    Rishaug’s point is a good one.

    Also the fact that it was so completely rehearsed. It wasn’t an off the cuff remark.

    We all know that in sports generally there is always a second chance for a guy who can play but it looks like he is done in Dallas.

    Any takers out there? If not, he could be done.

  102. slipper says:

    Charles Barkley said something appropriate here about role models.

    I believe Sir Charles later rescided that statement, but that’s besides the point I was getting at.

    Avery’s statement could easily incite a response that could be considered criminal, which the NHL is within their right in trying to prevent. If something like the Bertuzzi had transpired, then not only would their be possible prosection from the outside the NHL’s umbrella, there is also the question of liability.

    Hypothetical: Player A is in the hospital with a serious injury due to attack by Player B, and some level of authority is investigating.

    Q: “Was there any event that may have incited this assault?”

    A: “Well, in the morning scrum, Player A did mention to the national press having sex with Player B’s girlfriend/wife.”

    Q: “And what was the league’s response?”

    A: “We allowed them to play full contact hockey later that day…”

  103. slipper says:

    Don’t mind the typos:)

  104. namflashback says:

    Question about a detail — did he ever say Phaneuf or Ms. Cushbert’s name?

    The quip in the tsn article does not specify either. So unless he said the names in the scrum and they weren’t printed — he has some plausible deniability.

    I have no idea what you are talking about Mr. Campbell. I
    was referring to my team dinner (food I didn’t finish) and some of my teammates, current and past.

    You mean there is another implied meaning to “sloppy seconds?”

    Anyway, he knows what he said, and he meant to say it — but unless that detail is covered, doesn’t he have a defence?

  105. Dennis says:

    LT: that’s all well and good as long as A: Avery never faces Phaneuf again, or Stoll for that matter or B: the offended players in question can somehow unhear the comments.

    And I’m not getting into partnerships or common-law definitions but none of the parties are married in this case either; if that makes a difference to anyone. For me it’s like these comments were the last straw from the league regarding Avery and they’ve in effect picked a weird and freedom of speech hill to die on. I honestly don’t know how anyone thinks Avery should lose game pay for these comments.

    In any case the defense that really made me laugh was Bob McKenzie saying that the term “sloppy seconds” were the words that sealed Avery’s faith because they were misogynistic. I’ve heard guys toss around that term when the parties in question haven’t slept together so I really can’t agree with bob on this one. And if he thinks that a phrase like that is objectifying a woman than I can only hope the guy’s never watched porn.

  106. Lowetide says:

    It’ll be very interesting to see if the NHLPA steps in and stops this suspension.

  107. Dennis says:

    BTW, let me be the first to say that I’d love the Oilers pick him up if he was waived and then sent down and brought back up again on re-entry.

    I was all about getting the guy when the Kings kicked him off the team late in the ’06 season and the guy’s an effective hockey player and for half the current freight he’d be an absolute fucking bargain.

    Plus, he’s already tweaked Ugly and can you imagine him talking about how ugly Darryl Sutter is?:)

  108. Lord Bob says:

    If the Stars were sick of Avery’s act and I were Steve Tambellini, I’d not only be on the phone with the Stars to get him, I’d be on aircanada.com filling out Robert Nilsson’s travel details to Dallas at the same time.

  109. bookie says:

    Lord Bob -

    I think its about decorum. Really, this isn’t the WWE and I know I only get one vote, but I don’t want it to become that. So, regardless of freedom of speach, settle it on the ice, etc… I just think its totally classless and I am glad that he is suspended.

    So, just like not wanting 500 advertisements on the Jerseys (as in the EU), not wanting bench brawls every game, and not wanting burping contests durring the intermission its simply a matter of choice.

    The NHL chooses to say no to this (as does Dallas). They also make the players wear suits. I think that for 3.5 million they can follow those rules.

    With that said, I accept that others may disagree and that’s your right (some of you probably love the WWE too).

  110. doritogrande says:

    I think he’s done with the Stars. I mean christ, the owner wants him gone too. That’s pretty telling of where he stands within the organization if he’s sent home over two words.

    Shoulda stayed in New York.

    On the off-off topic, Stefan Legein returns to hockey.

  111. Dennis says:

    Hicks may very well be using this as a springboard/excuse to get rid of the guy so I wouldn’t read too much into what he says. And I think some Liverpool fans might tell you that Tom Hicks isn’t always a stand-up guy.

    Overall I think the comments are vague enough that you can’t suspend him but that if you do then you’d better fucking do it to everyone else as well.

    Anyone caught uttering bastard or “fa**ot, you hear that one all the time, will have to be suspended as well; throw retard in there too.

    And you know what? I’m all for fines and reprimands if guys are caught using those last two words.

    But until Avery says something like “ask Dion how my **** tastes” then I think you can let him skate because he can legitimately, if he chooses to do so, claim that he was using sloppy seconds in the dating sense.

    That’s not to get into the hypocracy of all the people who love and follow this game getting upset about a sloppy seconds remark when they know the history of the hockey dirties being passed around junior teams.

  112. rickibear says:

    “But how could the NHL condone Avery calling a woman a whore? I’m pretty sure there can (and will) be legal repercussions. Can this not be classified as slander?”

    Dorito: It s only slander if it is not true.

  113. rickibear says:

    “Avery’s statement could easily incite a response that could be considered criminal, which the NHL is within their right in trying to prevent. If something like the Bertuzzi had transpired, then not only would their be possible prosection from the outside the NHL’s umbrella, there is also the question of liability.”

    He buddy I am throwing you in jail to protect you from the bikers you told to take a hike.

    I wouldn’t have a problem with this if the league had givena damn about how Burkes Actions affected KLowes family.

    Hipocritic two faced **** called gary bettman.

  114. Scott says:

    how Burkes Actions affected KLowes family.

    When did Burke ever mention Lowe’s family?

    I think the NHL needs to come down with a suspension here. Anytime you start slandering family members in the media, it needs to be taken seriously. You can’t open up the door to this kind of thing. It’s ludicrous.

    Given that the guy has been booted from three (Detorit, LA, Dallas) different orgs and NY didn’t want him bad enough to sign him, I wouldn’t want him on the Oilers even at half price.

  115. Baroque says:

    @ Kris:

    I’m not saying the media should censor him. I’m just saying they should ignore him if what he is saying isn’t news. If he wants to make a personal comment, make him pay for the airtime like he was taking out an ad, instead of letting him get the attention for free.

    I think he should have been suspended for comments a long time ago, if that is the view the NHL is going to take, but the league let it go a long time. It just seems awfully late in the game to take a stand.

    Another comment in another story referred to this as being like the cops had a habit of shooting shoplifters but not treating muggers as seriously, or something, and I think that the impression that the NHL cares far more for its wholesome public image than for serious player safety issues (head shots, concussions) annoys me more than anything about this.

    If the big problems had already been taken care of, then worry about the little things. It’s just a matter of priorities, and I don’t think Avery should be one of the top items on the NHL list. Not with their other issues.

  116. Baroque says:

    Oh, and I hope Schremp does well. He’s certainly waited long enough and hasn’t pouted or moped, so he deserves his shot for sure. :)

  117. knighttown says:

    @Barocque:

    “If the big problems had already been taken care of, then worry about the little things. It’s just a matter of priorities, and I don’t think Avery should be one of the top items on the NHL list. Not with their other issues.”

    A little simplistic I think. Certainly the NHL can find the time to take care of the little things and make headway at the large issues, and I think they have been. Not to get into the headshot debate, but the league has definitely punished things more severely than in the past. Have the issues gone away? No, but the players need to but into this respect thing…the league can only give guidelines into what is considered acceptable behaviour.

    The big measuring stick will be the Upshall/Artyukin hit last night which is 100% a suspendable hit. Dead from behind, up high, no let up and in a dangerous location on the ice. Luckily the “A-Train” is a monster and was not hurt but the league needs to start punishing the action, not the result. I also think Staois should have gotten a game for that hit from behind the last week.

    And to weigh in on Avery, the league had no choice but to punish him. They came damn close to being held responsible for the Bertuzzi attack and I’m sure their legal counsel made this call for Gary. This is the only logical reason the instigator rule is still around even though no one supports it. Vigilante justice is too easy a target in this era of MacDonalds being sued for serving hot coffee and homeowners being sued for burgulars hurting themselves while breaking into someone’s house.

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