Oilers at Flames, G36/08-09

This is Pat Quinn as an Atlanta Flame. I remember him as a player, he was a rugged player, very tough, borderline dirty (and beyond) but a recognized leader. His most famous play was a hit on Bobby Orr that injured #4 over 40 years ago.

I think it’s likely that Quinn gets another chance as an NHL coach. His resume is very good and one of the oft-mentioned drawbacks is his inability to work with kids. The WJC is apparently (I’ve read) a perfect addition to his resume to prove otherwise. I find the logic there to be a mystery but the hiring process for NHL coaches is that and more.

Quinn has many ties to the Edmonton Oilers and the city (played here a long time ago) and as such would have to be on a list of any potential replacements for Craig MacTavish. MacT would probably get a role as a Cardinal with voting-for-Pope privileges, and would perhaps be ideal as a roving minor league instructor with special attention paid to centermen.

The Oilers loss last night was just the latest of many lost opportunities. The Sens look dead in the water everywhere but E-town and in fact had the Oilers put in 60 minutes work the result would have gone the other way.

Hemsky and Poo are out, Brule is in. The nature of this team is that they’ll play a stronger game against a superior opponent tonight and fall short again. Many of us will say “if they’d played like that last night the Oilers would have gained 2 points this week” and in a season we know could swing on exactly two points it is beyond galling.

It feels like Groundhog Day, each morning the radio turns over to “I got you Babe” by Sonny & Cher. It’s getting to the point where someone needs to throw the toaster into the bath tub.

Seriously.

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  1. slipper says:

    If this was 2006 all over again and you knew you had Ales Hemsky AND a Ryan Smyth coming back to the line-up, then it would be all right. Calgary is good and you should expect to get smoked periodically in their home rink. But this PK stinks worse than a bucket of smashed assholes and the cavalry isn’t coming to save the day anytime soon.

  2. Lowetide says:

    This team needs to make a trade. I think we’ve mentioned it a time or two.

  3. Coach pb9617 says:

    This team needs to make a trade. I think we’ve mentioned it a time or two.

    Yeah, I just emailed Lowe with my Hunter / Sutton and Reasoner / Armstrong suggestion.

  4. slipper says:

    While we’re at it: fire Shawn Horcoff, demote MacTavish to the third line, call-up Schremp, build a rink on the Edmonton to St.Albert LRT platform, and for crying out loud MSM, let’s get some accountability from the EIG already!

  5. Bruce says:

    Nice check by Gagner on Nilsson. Ferfuxsakes.

  6. Coach pb9617 says:

    I get the whole baptism by fire thing for the children, but maybe giving MAP the faceoff duties instead of Tweedledee and Tweedledum, things might improve a bit.

  7. Bruce says:

    Don’t see too many guys out there who are trying to win this game, so where are the guys who hate to lose? This period has been absolute shit. Talk about mailing it in.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Well the bonus tonight is everyone and their dog won in the W tonight.

  9. oilerdago says:

    The clock is ticking on Tambellini to make this happen and not strip the future of the franchise.

  10. Schitzo says:

    My problem is this: during his career Craig MacTavish was noted for three things: faceoffs, shot blocking, and penalty killing. So where in the Sweet Fuck is any of that on his team?

    On the plus side, none of the players have committed vehicular manslaughter, so one lesson stuck.

  11. Bruce says:

    C’mon Cole, coldcock that creep.

  12. Coach pb9617 says:

    Souray is so bad with an empty net behind him.

  13. Bruce says:

    Horcoff finally wins a faceoff and wins it right out of the zone. He has had a truly horrible night.

  14. oilerdago says:

    Different night, same issues with the PK. While you can say that at least Gagner and Cole did something good, this team is going to keep treading water until a trade is made.

    And I’m not talking about moving Zhitmor Stortini either.

  15. Bruce says:

    Gretzbeshkov with 4 points. What a waste.

  16. Dennis says:

    The org is like a fucking ostrich farm. We’re 35 games into the season and that’s no small sample and I’ve typed myself hoarse talking about just how bad the PK is.

    It’s the New Tommy Salo: we’re down 1-0 to start just about every game.

    I think Coach nailed it when he said you really can’t talk about anything else on this team until the PK’s fixed. Sure, 26-89 had terrible starts offensively but that would be less of a hurdle if we could kill a penalty.

    I don’t know if we need a big trade and a shake-up as much as we just need to get two guys that can kill penalties. And we might be able to find those guys in the minors just as well as we could through a big trade.

    How about Devereaux wasting away with the Marlies? What kind of PK job did he do with the Leaves when he had his latest stay in the bigs? And is there someone in the minors who can win faceoffs but doesn’t do anything else well enough to get a call from his current org?

    Try and find some guys instead of using the same strategy and getting kicked in the balls.

  17. andy grabia says:

    I think Bruce has it right. We need Stortini playing 25 minutes a night. That will solve all our problems. Guy drives results.

  18. Asiaoil says:

    Ladies and gentlemen your Edmonton Oilers:

    - badly coached as displayed by the bizarre line combos, pathetic PK, passive-aggressive personnel management and goaltending gong show

    - badly managed as displayed by the horrific lack of balance and neglected but very fixable holes throughout the lineup

    But still this team has quite a bit of talent – although it’s being wasted because of the coaching and management. If I was a quality coach and/or GM I would be very interested in the Oilers gig – you could turn this ship around awfully quickly with half a brain and a bit of work.

  19. Bruce says:

    I think Bruce has it right. We need Stortini playing 25 minutes a night.

    Andy, that’s bullshit and you know it. I’m saying no such thing. I just take issue with your comment — you know, the one that actually instigated the discussion tonight — that he’s a pathetic 12th forward who makes the Oilers a joke. Unlike many of the 11 guys supposedly above him, at least Zero did his job tonight. And last night. And every night since he was reinserted into the every day line-up.

    What IS a joke is our putrid penalty killing and our pathetic faceoff ability. If you say you won’t take the Oilers seriously until they get that fixed, I can agree with you. Fuck, I’ll even agree with Dennis on that. :)

    Happy New Year, folks.

  20. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Horcoff without Hemsky:

    GA/ON 4
    GF/ON 0
    FO % 33
    Wide open nets missed 2

  21. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    We’re far enough into the season that you can start predicting finishes based on goal differential.

    SJ +41
    Chi +35
    Det +27
    Van +10
    Minn +8
    Cal+5
    Ana even
    Col -4
    Clb -7
    LA -7
    Pho -9
    Edm -10
    Dall -16
    Nash -17
    Stl -22

    I’d wager those will be the final standings, give or take.

  22. godot10 says:

    //We’re far enough into the season that you can start predicting finishes based on goal differential.

    SJ +41
    Chi +35
    Det +27
    Van +10
    Minn +8
    Cal+5
    Ana even
    Col -4
    Clb -7
    LA -7
    Pho -9
    Edm -10
    Dall -16
    Nash -17
    Stl -22

    I’d wager those will be the final standings, give or take.//

    As Dennis keeps saying, if the Oilers could kill a penalty they would be a playoff team,

    Antoine Vermette would solve a lot of problems. Grebeshkov would be a really fine defenseman playing with Volchenkov. The Senators need secondary scoring.

    Grebeshkov and Schremp for Vermette. Even Grebeshkov and Nilsson for Vermette and a defenseman Ottawa would like to dump. Vermette would be an ideal winger for Gagner and Cole.

    Vermette is a good penalty killer, and is good on faceoffs.

  23. Bank Shot says:

    The Oilers should trade Visnovsky for Jarrett Stoll and Matt Greene.

  24. Bruce says:

    Grebeshkov and Schremp for Vermette.

    Godot: I beg to differ. Grebeshkov and anything for Vermette is a grotesque overpay.

    Vermette: 35 GP, 3-5-8, -13
    +0.94/-2.41 = -1.47/60

    He has the worst Corsi rating of any forward on the Ottawa team. He has the worst GA/60 of any penalty killing forward on the Ottawa team.

    Vermette is good on faceoffs. Otherwise his performance has been Terrible this year. Ottawa is a one-line team and he’s not on the line. He’s part of the problem.

    He does have a decent past performance, but given what he’s doing vs. what he’s making right now, his trade price should be more than reasonable.

    Grebs, playing defence for crying out loud, has 16 points to Vermette’s 8. He is one year younger than Vermette and makes barely half the money. Sure he’s RFA at the end of the season, but his team has his negotiating and arbitration rights, he’s 25, and he’s really developing into a puck-moving, point scoring defenceman.

    People around here don’t seem too keen on Grebeshkov for whatever reason, but I would imagine his trade value is pretty high at this point. Vermette’s has never been lower.

  25. godot10 says:

    //People around here don’t seem too keen on Grebeshkov for whatever reason, but I would imagine his trade value is pretty high at this point. Vermette’s has never been lower.//

    People here don’t dislike Grebeshkov. The Oilers just won’t be able to afford him next year, having their salary for defense tied up in Visnovsky, Souray, and Gilbert. Smid will be a cheaper #4, and Peckham and Strudwick should be able to handle #6 duties.

    Vermette is good at faceoffs, and apart from this year, has demonstrated that he is a reliable two-way forward.

    I think Vermette, like many long time Senators who wanted out, is just disillusioned. Vermette did a lot of heavy lifting for many years, and everyone else gets paid except him.

    I think Vermette’s skills are well suited to being a left winger for Gagner. Or one could create a killer shutdown line with Vermette, Horcoff, and Pisani,

    Penner, Horcoff, Hemsky
    Vermette, Gagner, Cole
    Pisani, Cogliano, Pouliot
    Moreau, Brodziak, Stortini

  26. Bruce says:

    Don’t really disagree, Godot, I just don’t think we need to overpay for underperformance. Grebs plus is too much. Grebs for Vermette + Gator is more like it. Nervous about even that cuz I don’t think we’ve seen Grebeshkov’s upside just yet.

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