Blue Jackets at Oilers, G46/08-09

The Oilers have had a nice run of late and are close to top 8 (alone) as they prepare for the break. Tonight’s game features our Oilers against the Blue Jackets.

I cover the winner through spring. (clap clap).

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  1. goldenchild says:

    MC it taks a real skillful hand to be able to finesse “fuckface” but I think you succeeded, well played sir.

    Probably

    HBomb the game that jumps out at me like this was when Tiks scored the hat trick in game 7 against those Fuckfaces from Calgary.

    Ales Hemsky we speak your name

    clap clap

  2. HBomb says:

    Jonathan: Hemsky against Detroit? Interesting, but I remember him being shit for the first 40 minutes plus of that contest.

    What goldenchild pitches, Tikkanen in G7 1991 against the Flames….that’s a damn good one right there.

    And yes, Cujo’s in with Pronger and Hemsky in terms of post-Messier Oilers, if we’re including goalies.

  3. Coach pb9617 says:

    MC, that’s only obscure if you never collected baseball cards.

    Hm, you’re right, that’s obscure :)

  4. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    Seriously, how many game winners or game tiers does Hemsky have in the last minute of regulation time now?

  5. Jonathan Willis says:

    Luongo with 18 saves to Nabokov’s 8 so far, as the Canucks lead 1-0 with about ten minutes left in the third.

    I’d say 7th in the conference going into the all-star break is likely.

  6. Lord Bob says:

    Video evidence for my nomination of Hemsky against San Jose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqVgu6ZFKyk

    You can just lose hours trolling for 2006 Oilers highlights on Youtube.

  7. Dennis says:

    LB: I’m pretty sure that game you’re talking about was a Thurs night – the day before Good Friday – when 83 scored in the last minute vs the Ducks and that pushed us into the playoffs.

    My bud was a manager at a bar and we were drinking for free and I saw it on the ticker.

    HB: I can’t think of the last time that everyone else was dead and one guy just put us on his back.

    That’s what’s so fucking striking about tonight.

    Ty: you forget that I also read Deadspin; billy ripken’s looking for residuals.

    BTW, yes, I questioned 83 coming back two games before the break and heading into tonight I was thinking he had that good first game back because he was running on adrenaline and maybe tonight he’d lag.

    Now I’m wondering, is he gonna go on an absolute tear? Dude’s unstoppable if he starts picking corners like he did on the last goal.

  8. Jonathan Willis says:

    Jonathan: Hemsky against Detroit? Interesting, but I remember him being shit for the first 40 minutes plus of that contest.

    I remember the entire team being junk for the first 40 minutes of that game.

    Still, Hemsky had two at the end, including one of those sheer will Ryan Smyth-style goals.

  9. Jonathan Willis says:

    The goal against Dallas after Stefan did his thing was pretty good too.

    That’s the thing about Hemsky – as much as I like players like Horcoff and Smyth, Hemsky does similar two-way stuff, but the offense he brings is dead sexy.

    And my god, I’ve never referred to hockey with the term “dead sexy” before. I think I need to go to sleep.

  10. HBomb says:

    LB: I’m pretty sure that game you’re talking about was a Thurs night – the day before Good Friday – when 83 scored in the last minute vs the Ducks and that pushed us into the playoffs.

    Tuesday, April 13, 2006. I was at that game. I believe we beat the Ducks 2-1, and then Vancouver lost 5-4 to San Jose to seal the deal.

    A tap in mean-nothing win against Detroit the following Monday, and then the ride began….

  11. Chris says:

    If Hemsky keeps driving the net and shooting the puck like he’s done of late, thirty five or forty goals might not be out of reach.

  12. Lord Bob says:

    Quite right, HBomb and Dennis. We need something like retrosheet.com but for hockey games so I can try and jog my false memories out.

  13. HBomb says:

    All I know is that Anaheim game was the start of what turned into a 68 day booze-and-adrenaline fueled roller-coaster ride for the ages.

    If not for that flukey bastard Cam Ward, the party would have lasted until Thanksgiving, Pronger or no Pronger.

  14. gerald78 says:

    sharks pp coming up

  15. gerald78 says:

    patty marleau!!!!! too bad they couldn’t beat them in regulation, but still. hopefully this will be demoralizing for the dys

  16. Cory Klein says:

    For everyone who tuned to the Dys/Sharks game after the Hemsky win, you are probably screaming with joy as well as getting the “stomp” from the significant other trying to sleep.

  17. PunjabiOil says:

    Vancouver Canucks: It’s quite sad, actually.

  18. Lord Bob says:

    That’s it. I’m officially spent. Hockey and I need to cool off for a bit. Thank god for the All-Star break.

  19. Garnet says:

    Why do I suspect Lowetide was looking forward the blog more if the BJs had won?

  20. Lowetide says:

    Nah. It was probably going to be a lot of work.

  21. Lord Bob says:

    Well, it’s hard to show pictures of obscure players from the seventies when the team was founded in the twenty-first century.

  22. slipper says:

    So anything happen while I was out running?

  23. boopronger says:

    this is my favorite set of hemsky highlights. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=NalRLZlnJOo&feature=related

  24. PDO says:

    Does anyone in the NHL have a better backhand deke than Hemsky?

  25. raventalon40 says:

    Hbomb has personally reinvented the Rick Roll with Hall and Oates as the center piece

  26. Doogie2K says:

    I saw the highlights this morning. I picked a hell of a time to quit taping Oilers games.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    “Even Hunter was probably holding his breath waiting to see what the response was going to be.”

    Nah. All just internet banter.

    I remember reading about the “dangerous” internet before getting it, then instantly realising I was one of those crazies everyone was all fired up over.

    Interesting game last night. Looked like a well deserved tie for both sides, until Hemsky stole it. Kind of like an old time Stars game, with the opposite end result.

  28. HBomb says:

    Hbomb has personally reinvented the Rick Roll with Hall and Oates as the center piece

    We need a shortened term for this.

    How about “you’ve been HO’d”?

  29. Temujin says:

    Le Sigh.

  30. Lord Bob says:

    Give up, Temujin. Embrace the Oilers already. You and Matt need to start a “Secret Oiler Fans Support Group”.

  31. Coach pb9617 says:

    Watched again on DVR – I think Horcoff is still hurting. There are a couple of shifts where he skates like an old man, and they’re all near the end of each of the first two periods. There is just no stride or acceleration at all. It might be exhaustion from how he’s been used for the last two weeks, or are the painkillers wearing off?

  32. Bruce says:

    Hey Temujin, you’re a brave man.

    How’s the losing streak going? Did I really hear 7 in a row at home? That’s gotta be tough. Oh well, at least they give out points for losing now.

  33. bookie says:

    Pretty enjoyable game last night. For those of you who never got to watch Gretzky play in his prime, it was literally like that every second game. The surprised swears “Holy S#$%, I can’t believe that” were an everyday thing.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not someone who hearkens for the ‘glory days’ and I seldom mention them, but I think its hard for those who did not see Gretzky in his prime to understand. Last night was like a glimpse of that.

  34. dubya says:

    Watched again on DVR – I think Horcoff is still hurting. There are a couple of shifts where he skates like an old man, and they’re all near the end of each of the first two periods. There is just no stride or acceleration at all. It might be exhaustion from how he’s been used for the last two weeks, or are the painkillers wearing off?

    I just think he’s overplayed. In my world Poo would take some of his PK time (assuming he can win some faceoffs) and his PP time would be drastically reduced. His decision making and puck handling on the PP haven’t been great, and I’m not sure there aren’t better options right now. The Oilers need him most at EV.

  35. R-Gib says:

    Bookie – agreed. Hemsky also reminded me of early Gretz (from what I’ve seen watching old tapes and such).

    Here is an example:
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=I-pf8WLTVYg

  36. R-Gib says:

    Oops. Still don’t think I’m doing the link thing right…?

    Anyway, this was a much tighter game then that one… and Gretz was on a mish to catch Dionne… but still there are comparisons to the way Wayne could make room for others from nothing, etc.

    Anyway… HEMSKY!

  37. quain says:

    Le Sigh.

    Maybe you should let AV know of the secret powers of Hall & Oates.

    (Clap, clap.)

  38. anonymous says:

    When Hemsky skated slowly to the bench after that fall along the boards, I’m half thinking he’s seeing double… Which he was… as in Two Goals and Two Assists. Clap Clap.

    So this morning LT is at par. 6th in the conference. 2nd in the division.

  39. goldenchild says:

    “Guys are playing better, individuals are playing better right now,” said MacTavish. “Guys like Sam Gagner and Erik Cole have chemistry. Robert Nilsson was playing well. Ethan Moreau is playing well. Andrew Cogliano is playing the best he’s played. Marc Pouliot’s developed. Roli is playing well. The defence is moving the puck pretty decently. And confidence is a large player in all of this.’

    I guess I should be happy Poo got a mention here but “Pouliots developed” is not exacly effusive praise, I think its pretty likely he will be riding shot gun with 51 when 34 comes back even though I think most here would agree that 18 should be the guy getting bumped.
    Probably
    Nilson apparently “WAS playing well” not sure how far that goes back.

    clap clap

  40. Showerhead says:

    Tuesday, April 13, 2006. I was at that game. I believe we beat the Ducks 2-1, and then Vancouver lost 5-4 to San Jose to seal the deal.

    Good god, there’s a night I hardly remember and yet will never forget.

    I showed up to the last huge residence party of the year two hours late. Being only two beer in, I was in guns blazing Hemsky praising catchup mode until we hit the bar (highlights include chugging straight gin from a pitcher, kissing a girl at the party and being told I tasted “like Christmas trees”).

    Don’t remember a thing about the bar but on the way back to rez I ran into a girl I’d worked with on a project. Last thing I remember before passing out is her grinding on top of me, pants on, and screaming at me that that’s how cowgirls rode their men. Woke up at 5 or 6am, took the walk of shame back to my building, and relived the Oiler win all over again at TSN.ca

    Oh, to be young again :P

  41. Coach pb9617 says:

    Brule and Reddox out. Pisani back.

    Thank you St. Fernie.

  42. Scott says:

    Hemsky had a pretty nice game against Colorado last year. That’s what I was reminded of tonight.

    I think he only had 3 points that night, but he could have had 7.

    Of course, all the ’06 games are relevant discussion as well.

  43. Black Dog says:

    Where’s the Rick Nash post?

    showerhead – awesome

    but Christmas trees?

    its like my Dad when he tried Guinness, he made a face, gave it back and says “it tastes like wood”

    Wha?

  44. Kris says:

    Uh, I don’t know. I don’t mean to be a downer, but Hemsky is 25 and has scored 20 goals once. ONCE. He’s never scored 21 or more.

    We’ve seen these flashes of greatness before, but he doesn’t score goals consistently. He produces consistently and plays well consistently, but sometimes the goals dry up.

    Now, don’t get me wrong; given his numbers PVP, I think he has tremendous value and should never be traded, but he’s not a 35-40 goal guy yet. (He’s not really even a 25 goal guy yet.) So let’s not compare him with Iginla, Zetterberg, Hossa, Gaborik, Heatley, Kovalchuk, Nash, Ovie, Crosby, Malkin, Lecavalier, Staal, etc., just yet.

    Hemsky is sui generis . Or is there a comparable I’m missing? A 20 goal guy who’s with more than a 35-45 goal guy guy?

  45. Schitzo says:

    Hemsky is sui generis . Or is there a comparable I’m missing? A 20 goal guy who’s with more than a 35-45 goal guy guy?

    If he can get into the 25-goal range I’d say he’s Forsberg.

  46. HBomb says:

    Look here. Mr Hemsky is currently 11th in the league where points per game are considered.

    And when you consider one of the guys above him has only played 11 games…..well, he’s top ten.

    Most he can play this year now is 72 games (he’s missed 10 of the team’s 46 games thus far). There’s 36 games left. Simple math says that the line in the sand is drawn at 80 points.

    He gets there, it’s going to be the mark of a fantastic season. Especially when you consider his linemates are a 3rd line center and a fat tub o’ lard! (end sarcasm)

  47. Lord Bob says:

    It took until Jarmoe’s sixth NHL season for him to have his first point-per-game campaign, like Hemsky is having right now.

    In fact, it would be really, really easy to make the argument that Hemsky’s first six NHL seasons have been better than Iginla’s first six NHL seasons.

    Zetterberg became a point-per-game player in his third NHL season, but he’s obviously being helped out playing with guys like Lidstrom and Datsyuk instead of guys like Visnovsky and Horcoff. Ryan Smyth still hasn’t ever done it. And you can make the argument that, over the last three years, Hemsky’s been a better all-round player than Kovalchuk.

  48. Dennis says:

    SH: why were her pants still on? Had you lost the use of your hands?;)

    C’mon, bud, I’m thinking you’re still only in your mid 20′s so don’t talk about “being” young. Stay in the fight and keep relaying the stories to the relative old-timers like myself!:)

    BTW, LT had no intention of going the CBJ way. Any man who’s stuck by Vish Throttler for this long will never find his way out of the hole:)

  49. Kris says:

    LB: Iginla got 21 in his rookie season in the dead puck era and then had 28,29,31 – and a down year with 13- before his 50 goal break out. He had goal scorer written on him from the beggining and all I’m saying is that we can’t say the same about our beloved Czech.

    I love Hemksy, (though he continually rebuffs my engagement proposals) and he might become a scorer, but he still hasn’t scored, or proven he can score, 25 to 30 goals. Just hasn’t. And that should temper our evaluation of an otherwise near perfect player.

    And I’m not sure if we need a 35-40 goal guy to win consistently.

  50. HBomb says:

    Ok, in honor of last night’s game, all in favor of having Lowetide rename the blog “Hemmer time?” Or at least change the sub-title to read so much?

  51. Lord Bob says:

    Ah, so we’re just judging Hemsky’s scoring ability. I agree he will never be as good a goal scorer as Iginla, but, then, Iginla will never be as good an ice resurfacer as a Zamboni so clearly the Flames should trade him.

    (To put it another way: scoring goals is really really awesome but it’s only one way to drive results, and Hemsky is a superior player where it counts.)

  52. quain says:

    (To put it another way: scoring goals is really really awesome but it’s only one way to drive results, and Hemsky is a superior player where it counts.)

    I absolutely disagree. Haven’t you heard? He doesn’t hang around for the media whereas Iginla is so likeable! Clearly, where it matters, Iginla has a huge edge.

  53. HBomb says:

    You, quain, are the master of sarcasm.

  54. Showerhead says:

    Black Dog – Christmas trees, it’s true. I hadn’t a clue what to say to that so I just nodded and smiled and then gave her opportunity for a second opinion :)

    Dennis – you can take your pick of

    a) I was far too drunk
    b) My hands were tied up at the time

    or c) That’s the part of my post where I shamefully realized this is Lowetide’s blog I got all nostalgic on :)

    As for “being young again” I’ve just turned 24 so I have nothing to complain about. I’m in a committed relationship now with a fantastic woman so I’ve hung up my skates so to speak but let’s just say years 21 and 22 were definitely worthy of discussion on a 2G 2A night like this one ;)

  55. Black Dog says:

    24? 24?

    Jesus pal.

    I’m 41 and I’m still young.

    My dad is 76 and he’s still young.

    Having said that, oh to be 22. Or 24. Or 34.

    ;)

  56. Jonathan Willis says:

    Having said that, oh to be 22. Or 24. Or 34.

    22′s over-rated.

  57. Bruce says:

    I think Horcoff is still hurting. There are a couple of shifts where he skates like an old man

    Coach: One comment I made to the season ticket holder I attended the game with was that the Oilers team speed, long a trademark, no longer seems particularly outstanding. This is something I tend to notice more at a live game for some reason. The guy I specifically mentioned was Horcoff who used to fly pretty good, and given his ~20 minutes a night and unquestioned work ethic one sure noticed that. But he is definitely slower than he was, and I don't think it's just age.

    Hopefully the All Star break will do Horc a lot more good this year than it did last. @#$%^&*

    I am not someone who hearkens for the ‘glory days’ and I seldom mention them, but I think its hard for those who did not see Gretzky in his prime to understand. Last night was like a glimpse of that.

    Bookie: Something like that, for sure. It’s not often these days that one sees an Oiler absolutely take over a hockey game like Hemsky did last night. It’s not like he created 15 scoring chances and four of them went in (as Gretzky did more than a few times), but the four goals were all Quality and Hemsky made the key play on all four. I had a great view of the two passes he made to Visnovsky and Grebeshkov: both were Ales at his best, moving into the seam, sucking an opponent out of the passing lane, and zip! bang! in it goes.

    On his good nights especially, Ales has the ability to see those little seams and creases and lanes, to take unusual angles into those little spaces, and to display the patience and low-panic threshold to let the play develop at its own speed. Now that he has fully added the shooting option to his arsenal he is a handful for opposing defences to say the least.

    Btw, didn’t see it mentioned on the game thread, but one important thing that happened was MacT doubleshifting Hemsky on that last powerplay. Ales played the first 66 seconds of the PP, rested for 24 seconds, and then was the lone player changed at the whistle that led up to the scoring sequence. I know folks on the ‘sphere have been clamouring for that for a while; it sure worked this time.

  58. Coach pb9617 says:

    Having said that, oh to be 22. Or 24. Or 34.

    If you were 34, you’d be Pisani. Oh to be 34.

    If you were 24, you’d be Staios. No one wants two Staios’

  59. PDO says:

    Well shit, I’m almost 21, but if that’s the way it works I’d rather be 83.

    And my stories are better than SH’s ;)

  60. Black Dog says:

    coachpb – nice one

    jonathan – no age is overrated, pal; its better then the alternative

    41 is sweet

    22 also

    just different reasons

  61. Showerhead says:

    Black Dog – If I can’t say the same as you when I hit 41 I’ll be more than a little disappointed. I do have a well developed serious side but I am quite happy holing it away in my academic/professional life and on these here blog things :)

  62. Showerhead says:

    PDO – well now you’re just showing off, aren’t you? :P

  63. Schitzo says:

    I wonder if 10 games of watching from above gave 83 some chance to reflect on what he could be doing better… because he’s sure doing it better!

  64. mc79hockey says:

    Black Dog – Christmas trees, it’s true. I hadn’t a clue what to say to that…

    “Would you like a candy cane?” was the correct response.

  65. Showerhead says:

    Wow Mudcrutch, good thing I have to run to my lab right away because I do not have the 12 hours it would take me to top that.

    A tip of the cap to you sir.

  66. rananda says:

    Gotta say, those of us bitching about Hemsky coming back too soon are looking rather foolish.

    Not really. As I believe you always say, it’s better to evaluate a decision based on what we knew at the time, not what may or may not have happened after the fact, or something like that. I think if Hemsky had not been symptom-free for whatever time period the clinical consensus is re treatment of concussions (some say 7 days I believe), and they cleared him to play, it was a very risky move and one that COULD have had significant deleterious effects for him and the team. That it didn’t happen, and that he came back guns blazing doesn’t necessarily make me sleep any easier if I’m an Oil fan (I’m not but I do love Hemsky).

  67. bookie says:

    Not really. As I believe you always say, it’s better to evaluate a decision based on what we knew at the time, not what may or may not have happened after the fact, or something like that.

    Totally agree, its like when someone makes a stupid play that results in a goal, its still a stupid play. As with any gamble, its the odds, not the results that need to guide decisions.

  68. Bruce says:

    when someone makes a stupid play that results in a goal, its still a stupid play.

    Hemsky wasn’t making stupid plays, he was making sick plays. I’d say “unconscious” if I weren’t so likely to be minunderstood (yet again … sob). His brilliance since his return reminds me of a great one-liner by a master of the art, Ted Green. Oiler hopeful (but not to be) Marc Habscheid got knocked silly in a game, and the trainers eventually helped him make his way through the bench to the tunnel.

    Ted Green: “How’s he doing?”

    Ken Lowe: “He doesn’t even know who he is.”

    Green: “Tell him he’s Wayne Gretzky!”

  69. doritogrande says:

    Showerhead:

    Too busy with LT to get your ass to class? Figures. Didn’t miss anything good mind you.

    Jonathan:

    Dammit. I was looking forward to 22 in a couple months. I guess it’s all downhill from here then?

    HBomb: continuing your topic from last night, I submit Ryan Smyth Game3 of the Sharks series. 35 minutes, taking a puck off the teeth, and the primary assist on Horcoff’s winner. That’s an Oiler.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    The reason the Oilers are a better team is due to their defence finally playing like freaking defencemen. It was bound to take a little time, but Visnovsky is playing very very well instead of merely talented and all alone; Souray in effect is settling into his first real season, and has grown into the role of leading Oilers defenceman(something he totally understands being a local guy); Gilbert is solid this season finally; Smid I’ve always liked a lot and is really starting to improve toughness wise and those other areas; Grebeshkov blows hot and cold but since he’s not counted on to lead he’s doing pretty well, and Staios blocks shots, LOL.

    All told it’s one of the best defences in the league.

    I don’t believe I’ve written that.

    PS: Roloson plays his Grant Fuhr heart attack style more often than not, which explains why our illustrious coach refused to subject him to much of a goaltending contest.

  71. HBomb says:

    HBomb: continuing your topic from last night, I submit Ryan Smyth Game3 of the Sharks series. 35 minutes, taking a puck off the teeth, and the primary assist on Horcoff’s winner. That’s an Oiler.

    Memorable, heroic, inspiring….but not downright dominant like Hemsky’s last night. Good suggestion though.

  72. doritogrande says:

    “All told it’s one of the best defences in the league.”

    As good as they are, I’ve still got them behind, in alphabetical order:

    Anaheim, Calgary, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, Pittsburgh (when all healthy), San Jose and Vancouver. And being equal to Boston, Carolina, Dallas, Florida, Rangers, Toronto.

    They’re about middle of the pack, and given the money we’ve sunk into that particular area, not good enough for my liking.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers play a high risk high reward strategy, and given some upgrades in the forwards will be able to give a few palpatations to the Sharks/Red Wings, after they finish 7th or 8th.

    With 93 points.

  74. Graham says:

    Toronto's D? really? you do know that they've got Kaberle & Kubina and nobody else. I'd take Souray or Gilbert or Greb and Vish over those two.

  75. digger says:

    Right now, the Oilers have 3 dmen who are on pace to have 40+ point seasons, and a 4th (Grebs) who is only a hair off that pace.

    It’s very rare to have 3 of them (last done in 97/98, both Detroit and Edmonton that year), and as best as I can tell 4 of them on one team hasn’t happened since the 83/84 Oilers:

    Coffey – 126 points
    Lowe – 46 points
    Huddy – 42 points
    Gregg – 40 points

    If anyone else can find a team that had 4 40+ point dmen in one season, I’d be curious to see. Even the 76/77 Habs only had 3.

  76. Showerhead says:

    doritogrande: after Monday’s riveting performance from our gorgeous, gorgeous professor I had issues with motivation this morning. Summarize today’s class in 10 words or less? Other than journal fodder (and discussion when there is, in fact, discussion [yes I hated Monday's class that much]) I see no point to her “lectures” under the current grading scheme.

    You’ll have to forgive my bitterness, but working at Wise Guys (whee, I’ve named the bar now) has made me want to roundhouse kick all mornings in the face. Especially Friday mornings, so wish me luck on that one! :)

  77. DeBakey says:

    The West’s
    Points Per Game after last night:

    San Jose 1.62
    Detroit 1.48
    Chicago 1.32
    Calgary 1.29
    Edmonton 1.11
    Phoenix 1.10
    Minnesota 1.07
    Vancouver 1.06
    Anaheim 1.06
    Columbus 1.04
    Dallas 1.02
    Colorado 1.02
    Los Angeles 0.96
    Nashville 0.93
    St. Louis 0.89

  78. rananda says:

    If anyone else can find a team that had 4 40+ point dmen in one season, I’d be curious to see. Even the 76/77 Habs only had 3.

    hah, the first team i thought of and looked up had 4. im sure there are more.

    http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000401993.html

  79. Bruce says:

    Good dig, Digger. Four 40-point guys is rare to say the least, and your example is bizarre in that Coffey just misses outscoring the three 40-point guys combined. It is certainly worth noting that:

    a) Huddy and Gregg were in on less than 10% of their team’s goals.

    b) Grant Fuhr had 14 assists that season.

    c) The four guys played on three different pairs.

    d) A fire hydrant could score 40 points playing with Gretzky.

    … so it’s nothing comparable to the current team in which the blueline is to a large extent driving the offence. Note that the current foursome currently all rank among the top 8 Oiler scorers, whereas that glorious goal-scoring machine of a quarter century ago had just one defenceman in the top 8, as with just the one exception the forwards totally drove the bus.

    Good question as to other teams with a quartet of 40-point guys. Sure can’t think of one off the top of my head. You might find a few clubs that had four defencemen among their scoring leaders, but I wouldn’t expect all that many. Hmmm …

  80. rananda says:

    86-87 flames also had em. does get tougher after that, though.

    http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000431987.html

    hah, the first team i thought of and looked up had 4. im sure there are more. http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000401993.html

    92/93 kings were one of my favorite teams ever, and trading away coffey probably helped zhitnik and mcsorely to hit the mark.

  81. hunter1909 says:

    Whats great about the current defence is the way they can bounce the puck back so quickly, to the forwards.

    I’m definitely starting to get the feel that it’s a team starting to gel, with that defence snapping the puck up ice like a giant elastic band.

    Of course the forwards could be upgraded, and no doubt will be improved before April, but that defence just looks better and better.

    And when compared to before Christmas, it’s like a bottom five defence has jumped to a top 5 defence.
    Staggering to this cynic.

  82. Steve says:

    92/93 kings were one of my favorite teams ever, and trading away coffey probably helped zhitnik and mcsorely to hit the mark.

    McSorley wasn’t platooning as a forward that year? Because if he was, I’m not sure he counts.

  83. Temujin says:

    All this horrid Hemsky love is making me downright ill. The guy is a poor man’s Patrick Elias for cryin’ out loud.

    Hell, he’s a poor man’s Bobby Holik.

    One lucky game and you guys are crowning him amongst the pantheon of Oilers greats. Revelling in “all things Ales” as though he is anything more than a fly-by-night cheeseball. Recoounting past glories as though last night compares. It was a regular season game against the effin’ Columbus Blue Jackets!

    Jeebus, people. Get off your knees and start acting and thinking like adults!

    He’d look good in a Canuck uniform though…

  84. Black Dog says:

    hunter – a cynic, really? ;)

    dg – sorry pal I don’t buy that; I would rate the Oilers ahead of all of the clubs you have them equal to and probably Pittsburgh, maybe Chicago as well

    Offensive production aside these guys do a pretty good job in their own end and they have to overcome a lot of youngsters playing in front of them, this isn’t the spring 06 Oilers group of forwards after all.

  85. grease trap says:

    500

  86. Kris says:

    LB seems to think the things Hemsky does other than score goals -presumably his Corsi#, GFON/60 minus GAON/60- prove he is better than Iginla and -again, presumably- some other 40 goal scorers.

    Temujin disagrees. We’ll put his snide, liberal, Vancouver-esque sarcasm aside. :)

    Help me out here. Who is right?

    I think LB thinks that the value of a player, as MacT says, “is determined by what he creates minus what he gives up.” And though this at least partially true, it surely can’t be the whole story. A guy who scores 10 a year but plays very well defensively thereby keeping his GAON/60 well below his low GFON/60 isn’t worth as much as a 40 goal guy, even one with a high GAON/60. No?

    If so, how do we judge Hemsky versus the guys who do score 35-50?

  87. Loxy says:

    Hell, he’s a poor man’s Bobby Holik.

    Maybe I don’t understand the concept of a “poor man’s” but should I mention that already Hemsky has bested Holik’s best year… twice?

  88. Kris says:

    Sorry to threadjack, but another question:

    Do we have reason to believe that a player’s GAON/60 5×5 and his Corsi are projectible? That is, if Hemsky got kicked to another team, say Tampa, do we have reason to believe his good Corsi and GAON/60 would remain. If not, some of the “new numbers” that we discuss might mean less about a player -and more about the team- than goals and assists, which are projectible to a degree.

    Anyway, I’ve been looking at offensive players who get traded to see whether their “new numbers” remain constant, but it’s tough to draw conclusions. It’s hard to figure how relevant qual. comp./qual opp. play into the equation and how much a team’s overall GF/GA matters.

    If anybody can give me a simple answer I’d be impressed.

  89. grease trap says:

    Mu.

  90. doritogrande says:

    “Summarize today’s class in 10 words or less?”

    My notes say some things about “Tragedy of the commons”, “Environmental ethics”, “Deep Ecology”, “Anthropocentrism” and “Biocentrism”. How’s that for 10 words. Topics for the second assignment actually.

    Bitch was late again today. She does this a couple more times and I’m letting the dean in on this little development.

    You work at wise guys? I’ve been kicked out of wise guys!

  91. Ribs says:

    Maybe I don’t understand the concept of a “poor man’s” but should I mention that already Hemsky has bested Holik’s best year… twice?

    …Not to mention Holik has played center for most of his career.

  92. Black Dog says:

    And Holik is really really ugly.

    While Hemsky has won the Hot Off.

  93. Doogie2K says:

    That’s exactly when someone arrives. The exact moment you say to hell with it.

    That’s what my mom keeps telling me. Worked for her (though the story of her meeting my dad is kind of complicated and funny, and I believe involves Grant Fuhr’s cousin, if I have my SAIT roommates in order).

  94. rananda says:

    McSorley wasn’t platooning as a forward that year? Because if he was, I’m not sure he counts.

    No, and he was actually their best defenseman all year, including Coffey and Blake. It was easier to believe watching it then than saying it now.

  95. Bruce says:

    Nice one, Rananda. Nice two, for that matter; I wouldn’t have thought of the 86-87 Flames. Did Reinhart play a little centre with that year’s Flames? I know he did some of that, esp. after the back woes.

    I remember that 1993 Kings team that beat the Leafs in 7 and lost to the Habs in the Finals and I don’t think of Paul Coffey, cuz he was long gone by the playoffs. Coffey lasted less than a year in LA, having been traded from Pittsburgh at the deadline in ’92. Meaning Coffey, a defenceman, mind, was traded in consecutive years while he had these stats:
    PIT, 91-92: 54 GP, 10-54-64, TRADED
    L.A, 92-93: 50 GP, 8-49-57, TRADED

    But you’re darn tootin’ Marty McSorley was a full time defenceman on that team, and a darned effective one by that stage of his career. After two-plus years as a forward in Edmonton, Marty had astonished everyone by moving back to the blueline and acquitting himself extremely well during the 1988 Stanley Cup run. He was one of those guys who applied himself totally and kept willing himself to get better, and he continued to improve from a Stortini-like skating stride when breaking in with Pittsburgh ,into an extremely effective — and annoying — NHL defenceman. That ’92-93 season he achieved his career highs in goals (15), points (41) and penalty minutes (a whopping 399, leading the league). McSorley may not have been the face of the ’93 Kings, but he was one of the most important players on the team, the clear leader of the defence.

    Losing McSorley and Mike Krushelnyski in the Gretzky sale made that deal so much worse. Most people forget that part.

  96. Doogie2K says:

    I knew about McSorely, but Krush? Really? Damn, that was highway robbery, especially given how long Jimmy Carson lasted.

  97. Bruce says:

    Too true, Doogie. We got Carson, Marty Gelinas, and three first-round busts I mean picks. The only good part was that Carson got swapped out in the fall of ’89 for Adam Graves, Joe Murphy, and Petr Klima. The first two combined with Gelinas to form a very effective Kid Line in the 1990 playoffs; while Klima was a 10th forward type who came off the end of the bench to score a huge goal, breaking up what is still the longest overtime game in SCF history. Oilers may have well won that ’90 (and ’89, and ’91) Cup with Gretzky, McSorley, and Krushelnyski, but looked at another way, they would not have won it without the Kid Line. So we at least got something out of the “trade”.

  98. Doogie2K says:

    Well, I wouldn’t say Martin Rucinksy was a first-round bust, but he didn’t do jack for Edmonton.

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