Minor League RFA’s: Decisions, Decisions

Bryan Lerg is one of very few Springfield Falcons who have Oilers contracts for next season. By my count, Lerg will have 7 possible teammates (Jacques, Peckham, O’Marra, Paukovich, Sestito, Chorney, Wild) under contract although this information is not readily available (I’m using oilfans and nhl numbers for this post). Players like Josef Hrabal are something of a mystery because Europe is a possibility for 09-10 should he not make the club.

There are a bunch of kids who may not be worth another contract. Some may view this as damnation of the scouting staff but when you consider the quality and depth of talent on the big club that arrived courtesy the procurement department it would seem the Oilers are well served by the current group.

Let’s look at these RFA’s:

  • Ryan Potulny: Springfield’s leading scorer (38gp, 19-14-33 -4) and he’s looked good in some NHL games (5gp, 0-3-3). An obvious signing for the farm club, he may also get consideration for a “one-way” deal with the big club. It would serve as a deterrent should Potulny hit the waiver wire during his next contract.
  • Rob Schremp: Not much reporting on this but he’s having a poor season. A season ago, Schremp was 45gp, 11-32-43 -2 with 108 shots (.956ppg). This season, he is 35gp, 5-21-26 -7 with 76 shots (.743ppg). He also weathered another MacT moment where the coach pointed out his negatives and responded with a “wish I’d heard it from the coach instead of the media” which probably didn’t play well in the corner office. I’d say we’ve reached the point where it might be better for all involved to see Schremp dealt and would bet money he’s gone at the deadline. This depends on the Oilers being a buyer of course, but Schremp’s window of opportunity with the organization may have closed at this point.
  • Liam Reddox: His Desjardins’ 5×5/60 (1.27) and Corsi (-19.7) are not strong but he’s one of only two skaters in the organization enjoying their NHL rookie season this year (Steve MacIntyre). He’s won the confidence of the coach and appears to have found his niche in an energy role with some enthusiasm and enough intelligent play to satisfy the coach and the video. Another contract is an absolute and we shouldn’t rule out a one-way deal.
  • Gilbert Brule: He’s 22gp, 11-5-16 in the AHL and has shown some things at the major league level too (11gp, 2-1-3). I could argue he’d be in the NHL right now if not for the silly waiver rule (why doesn’t the NHLPA make itself useful and change this rule? It hurts not helps players) but the issue we’re looking at here isn’t one at all in regard to this player. He was acquired in exchange for a useful NHL player and as such will get another contract. I’d bet the house it’s a one-way deal.
  • Devan Dubnyk: Asiaoil is our resident goalie prospect expert and he’s been monitoring Dubnyk closely this season. In the thread below Asia said “well here’s some good news – Dubnyk just put up his best month as a pro with a stellar .938 SP in January. Let’s see if he can keep it up and if the dolt running the bench in SPR gives him a night off next month when they play 3 in a row. Looks like they just ran him into the ground before Christmas.” Truitt did in fact play the crap out of DD–something the kid has expressed a preference for in several interviews. If we take the third game of the three back-t0-back-to-back December outings from his season, Dubnyk’s SP blossoms to .912 which is in the range considering how awful Springfield is again this season. He gets another deal, no doubts.
  • Colin McDonald: Colin McDonald is 24 years old. He’s aged for a (real) prospect and even though Jonathan Willis has pointed out he’s facing the heavy lifting at the AHL level, it’s not going to be enough. His bat is very poor at the AHL level, it’ll be a non-starter in the NHL. Last season, McDonald had these numbers through the end of January: 45gp, 9-10-19 -14 on 112 shots (.422ppg). This season he’s at 43gp, 3-5-8 -6 and 67 shots (.186) which looks to me like a guy who really can’t generate any offense on his own. At the same age, Fernado Pisani was scoring 60 points in 79 AHL games. Colin McDonald may get a second pro contract but the numbers suggest this is very close to his outer marker as a player.
  • David Rohlfs: 2 AHL games and another 27 in Stockton for this 24-year old. Another contract is unlikely and he might end up in Europe next season.
  • Ryan Stone: He’s an interesting player. A year ago in the AHL he went 36gp, 7-13-20 -4 with 66 shots (.556) and has followed it up with 43gp, 10-21-31 +3 with 75 shots (.721). His scouting report reads like a guy who should be able to grab a job on the energy line in the NHL at some point and his age (23) means he has some time. He’ll get another contract.
  • Stephane Goulet: When you’re a fan of a specific player and the math damns him the only thing left is to cheer like hell. That’s where we are with Goulet, who is not progressing. A year ago he was 16gp, 1-3-4 -1 with 10 shots on goal and this season in the same time frame Goulet is 14gp, 1-2-3 +2 with 18 shots. He was 22 at the beginning of the season and is not yet an AHL regular. Another contract is unlikely.
  • Bryan Young: This is a player who will probably get a contract, as veteran AHL defenders have good value. Young is 29gp, 0-3-3 -5 and not facing the tough opposition, but the Oilers farm team has been so hideous (and depth is one of the problems) I’d bet he gets a contract.
  • Sebastien Bisaillon: 27gp, 4-7-11 +2 this season and holding his own on a poor hockey club. Based on Jonathan’s toughness of minutes, the Falcons appear to have asked him to perform well against soft opponents and he’s delivered. A raw, long term prospect who is certainly worth a contract.
  • Matheiu Roy: He appears to be a player who lost his career to injuries. His -22 in 36 AHL games is impossible to write off as bad luck, playing with kids or an enormous bad streak. There’s something wrong here.
  • Tyler Spurgeon: He’s healthy and performing well (46gp, 5-11-16 -1 against tough opposition) after a series of unfortunate events since turning pro. I think Spurgeon may eventually be capable of more offense, as his career AHL numbers (92gp, 11-28-39) have come in mostly defensive roles and during times of injury. He’s 22 and gaining some ground on many on this list, so despite his resume would have to rank as a no-brainer for another contract.

Anyone missed? Let me know. (edited to delete Slava Trukhno who has one year remaining as per doritogrande’s post in the comments section).

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  1. Steve says:

    (why doesn’t the NHLPA make itself useful and change this rule? It hurts not helps players)

    Well, there are a fixed number of roster sport. The rule hurts Brule, but helps Reddox or Potulny or McIntyre or whoever it is who’d lose his sport if Brule was up. It’s a zero sum came, which you can imagine makes life difficult for the NHLPA.

  2. Steve says:

    That should read “roster spots”. I’m illiterate.

  3. HBomb says:

    Reddox: Yes, he’s impressed this year. He’s probably an end-of-the-roster NHLer (13-14F).

    By no means does this signify a one-way deal is justified. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. Offer him a two way deal, and if he doesn’t like it, oh well.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Steve: I think any rule that keeps a better player on the farm is a bad rule. Best 23 should be in the NHL.

    HBomb: The Oilers offer one-way deals to all kinds of players of his type. Mathieu Roy has a one-way, as does JF Jacques for next season. It can be an effective tool imo in regard to the waiver wire.

  5. Steve says:

    I think any rule that keeps a better player on the farm is a bad rule. Best 23 should be in the NHL.

    Oh, from a fan’s perspective it’s a slam dunk. I thought we were talking about from the NHLPA’s perspective, though.

  6. doritogrande says:

    Slava Trukhno is signed through next season. Source: http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=5033

    He’ll be in the third year of his entry-level contract.

  7. Jonathan Willis says:

    Guillaume Lefebvre’s having an interesting year on the farm; I know he’s on an AHL deal but I wonder if he’s re-signed.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Steve: Ah, you’re right. Good point.

    Dorito: Thanks for this. It’s extremely hard to find this stuff.

    Jonathan: I saw your post on him and agree. He’s certainly worth having in the mix for that 14F and more than capable of keeping an AHL roster spot.

  9. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: I’m OK with it as long as it doesn’t guarantee he has to stay with the team (i.e. Katz is willing to eat the extra salary).

    Because there’s certainly a few scenarios where Reddox is not one of the best 14F coming out of camp next October. Nice to have those guys available for call-up though, and yes, the one way deal can help prevent losing the guy on waivers.

  10. Lowetide says:

    HBomb: Oh yeah, absolutely. I think Reddox is going to be a player (a small r Pete Rose type who exceeds his ability be enough to dwarf expectations) but it might be three seasons of 20-40 games before he establishes himself. Still plenty of struggles ahead for him (unless he beats the curve. again).

  11. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: He’ll be up and down, but odds are he’s going to have a Toby Petersen type career as a depth guy.

    As an organization, you want to a) have several of these type of guys and b) continue drafting about one per year. If one wants too much money, you let him move on and replace him. Depth is a good thing. Overspending on 5-7D and 9-14F isn’t smart.

  12. Lowetide says:

    I like him way better than that, HBomb. Petersen had a full season early on but with an organization that was in a state of flux and he shouldn’t have been there (you could say the same thing about Kris Beech and some others on that team too).

    Petersen lost his job and had to spend 5 full seasons in the minors honing his skills before getting another look.

    Reddox seems to have some things going for him and since he’s jumped the rails in terms of development and draft pedigree I’d be hesitant to guess too low at this point.

    If I had to grab a comp from Oilers history it would be Kirk Maltby.

  13. Mr DeBakey says:

    Potulny -At minimum a two-way
    Schremp – He’ll be qualified, but is available for the taking
    Reddox – Offered a two-way
    Brule – Gets Pouliot’s contract
    Dubnyk – Re-signed, two-way for one year, then one-way
    McDonald – Offered an AHL contract
    Rohlfs – Gone
    Stone – Offered a two-way
    Goulet – Gone
    Young – Offered an AHL contract
    Bisaillon – Offered a two-way
    Spurgeon – Offered a two-way
    Roy – Gone

  14. PunjabiOil says:

    On an unrelated note, I would like the Oilers to sign Ray Emery, who has had a fantastic season in the KHL.

    Emery (with baggage) > JDD as backup.

  15. Lord Bob says:

    Just say no to Liam Reddox! I’m with HBomb, the man is a young Toby Petersen – his only NHL-level skill is “hustle”. Which makes up for a lot, but not enough to invest too much in the kid.

    Also, he looks freaky.

  16. Lowetide says:

    Lord Bob: At this point in his career (very, very early) Reddox has managed to make the NHL team, serve multiple roles and appears to have an exceptional aptitude.

    That’s a skill too, one that can manifest itself across a wide range. We’re seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Seriously.

    This is a kid who went from solid junior career to average ECHL player to being the best AHL player for the Falcons a season ago to (this season) a rookie used in multiple roles.

    His age, his learning curve and the comments from the coach are all extremely strong arrows in the right direction.

    I think you’re underrating him.

  17. Schitzo says:

    I think Reddox would be a no-brainer. He helps Springfield, he can help the big club if you need a 15th forward, and if you lose him on waivers nobody sheds a tear.

  18. kris says:

    LT:

    Very interesting stuff. You always ask and answer questions I’d never think of.

    I have one problem though. I think I’d be willing to let more of these guys -and guys we have signed if we can move them- go in order to have room to take a few flyers on undrafted college kids and AHL vets.

    I haven’t seen an AHL game this season, so please feel free to call me a fool, but from a distance it looks like Springfield relied too heavily on a bunch of middling Oiler prospects who are playing very poorly and dragging down the whole team. (I imagine this hurts the development of rookies like Chorney and Lerg.)

    For example, Trukhno, Roy, MacDonald, and O’Marra should all be good AHL’ers, leading their team to wins, but they’ve all failed miserably. Put Schremp in that group now too, I guess. (He started well but the lip he sprained pouting seems to have hurt his production. 2 ES goals in 35 games is not good for even a second line AHL player.)

    And it seems Spurgeon and Sestito have played tough comp. and done okay, but they haven’t really outcompeted AHL opposition. If they went, I wouldn’t weep.

    BTW, why has Corrazini’s disastrous season gone unnoticed. This guy was supposed to help the team, no? His rookie season was better than this.

  19. Lowetide says:

    kris: Good points all. I think Springfield’s problems came from cheapness at the major league level. The Oilers signed very few AHL veterans (Taylor, Corazzini) and in fact we know that the AHL is a very strong league just based on how well the graduates play (most forwards bring about 45% of their offense to the show) and then Truitt apparently thought it would be a plan to send dead-ass rookie defenders out against the AHL vaunt.

    And they got killed. Predictable outcome.

    I also think the Oilers as an organization have fast tracked all of their good players and that has an impact in this area too.

    Add that to Dubnyk playing every night and the fact that the PP was poor and we are here.

    In many ways this has been a lost season and it all goes back to summer when the Oilers felt that:

    1. AHL free agents would be less expensive and they were slow to react and
    2. The organization’s well established tendency to fast track their prospects.

    I am one who believes that an organization should fast track those who can swim at a certain depth but Taylor Chorney’s season is a perfect example of how that template can go terribly wrong.

  20. Bank Shot says:

    BTW, why has Corrazini’s disastrous season gone unnoticed. This guy was supposed to help the team, no? His rookie season was better than this.

    Looks like there are alot of players on the Falcons having anti-career years. Pretty strange.

    Perhaps they could have gotten more vets if they didn’t have $500k tied up in a burnt out Roy.

  21. Coach pb9617 says:

    Some really interesting games on the docket for scoreboard watchers tonight.

    Anaheim @ Colorado
    Dallas @ Columbus
    Buffalo @ Phoenix
    Minnesota @ Vancouver

  22. HBomb says:

    Out of town prospect-type news: Detroit Euro FA signing Ville Leino is playing in his first NHL game today, and just scored his first NHL goal in his first period.

    And it was something else. Backhand, backwards, between the legs. Maybe it’s “saw him good”, but given Detroit’s reputation….it appears they’ve gone and done it yet again.

  23. kris says:

    Offer Leino 7 million/per season for 15 seasons right now!

  24. HBomb says:

    Coach: you’re missing an even better one that really doesn’t have that much playoff impact, but should be a barn burner.

    Chicago @ San Jose

  25. Jonathan Willis says:

    On an unrelated note, I would like the Oilers to sign Ray Emery, who has had a fantastic season in the KHL.

    Ray Emery: 2.00 GAA, .930 SV%
    Other Guy: 1.58 GAA, .948 SV%

    If you’re wondering, the other guy is goalie splitting time with Emery on Mytishchi Atlant. His name is Vitaly Kolesnik, and last year he went 15-13-0 with a 2.80 GAA and .917 SV% for the Lowell Lock Monsters of the AHL.

    In other words, don’t trust Emery’s numbers. He’s on a stacked team, and getting handily outplayed by a guy who looks like he might be a slightly better version of Deslauriers.

  26. Lord Bob says:

    Lord Bob: At this point in his career (very, very early) Reddox has managed to make the NHL team, serve multiple roles and appears to have an exceptional aptitude.

    He’s been used in several roles, but he hasn’t particularly succeeded. Just because Craig MacTavish insisted on running out Petersen on the powerplay doesn’t mean that Petersen was a more valuable player on account of his powerplay abilities. :P

    I’m not saying “don’t resign Reddox”. If the guy will take a two-way contract, absolutely! But don’t get carried away.

  27. Cory Klein says:

    Chi @ SJ makes me wish I had Center Ice. Maybe that NHL on the Fly will show a bunch of it.

  28. Lowetide says:

    But how can you compare Toby Petersen (who was 28 when he first played for Edmonton) with Liam Reddox (who turned 23 the other day).

    I admit the career of Reddox has not taken a predictable path, but only in a very good way. If he can play at this level (even with the subpar p/60 and Corsi) doesn’t that speak to his having a better future?

    Maybe I’m reading you wrong here, but it seems to me that calling Reddox “another Toby Petersen” is extremely unfair to Reddox.

    He may be the next Toby Petersen (who turned himself into a useful player) but that isn’t close to his outer marker based on the last 18 months imo.

  29. Jfry says:

    i’m in the camp that sees reddox as filler on a mediocre team. if we’re a good team reddox doesn’t get a sniff…

    i’m the camp that sees him as working really hard and always moving but not necessarily get much done…he needs to slow down and show better pace…right now he looks like he’s chasing the game and the stats seem to suggest likewise.

  30. Bank Shot says:

    Toby Petersen is probably a poor comparable.

    Guys like Patrik Thorsen, or Byron Ritchie may be pretty good comps.

    I’m not sure I see the prupose in wasting so much time developing him. I guess we can blame management for not giving Mactavish some kind of safe option to fall back on and Reddox is the best thing availible.

  31. Lowetide says:

    We’re not seeing the finished product yet. Let’s put this another way:

    1. How many players follow a career path similar to Liam Reddox to the majors?

    2. Of the players who follow that path, how many of them are impressive as rookies?

    3. Of the group that follows his path and are not impressive in that first season, how many find their way as effective role players?

    4. How many wash out of the league after a season or two?

    5. How many of them eventually emerge?

    6. How can you tell the difference between the two in the early stages?

  32. Lord Bob says:

    I admit the career of Reddox has not taken a predictable path, but only in a very good way. If he can play at this level (even with the subpar p/60 and Corsi) doesn’t that speak to his having a better future?

    But the subpar p/60 and Corsi, not to mention what we see on the ice, indicate that he can’t play at this level and MacTavish is just playing him anyway because that’s the kind of thing he does sometimes.

  33. Lowetide says:

    If Reddox never plays at a higher level than he is now, then I agree completely. However, one of the things history tells us is that in many cases performance improves as rookies spend more time in the NHL and the pace slows for them.

    I think making a call on Reddox now is very dangerous, especially considering the spike we’ve seen in the last 18 months.

  34. Traktor says:

    Re: Bryan Young types

    Why waste time on these types?

    It’s simple – fill the AHL roster with guys with potential or AHL impact veterans.

    Young doesn’t potential outside of a PB guy and he isn’t a impact veteran. Let him walk.

    Too much time and resources is being wasted on average players with negligible potential.

    Sign more Lerg’s. Look into bringing over boom bust guys the goalie Jonathan mentioned. Even guys like the 6’6 240 pound ECHLer Milan Maslonka are better bets because he’s uniqueness.

  35. kris says:

    I still think people forget Reddox started with a pretty nice junior career until his last year (05/06), then slumped into the ECHL. But since that slump, his game keeps growing in leaps and bounds.

    If Reddox had played better from 05-07, say another 35-40 goal junior season in 05/06 and an average AHL rookie season in 06/07, we’d all be slobbering about his future as a solid 3rd liner.

    That is, why do we keep saying he’s beating the odds with his current play, instead of saying that for about two years this guy didn’t play up to potential: possibly do to personal problems, laziness, etc.

  36. Jfry says:

    rddox’s career path is enteresting, but i’d rather be playing fritsche or any number or available who are NHLers now, rather than project to be in the future…rudy’s great and alll but it was a game, and not season upon season…

    we’re last in the league or close in several categories and i just don’t see him being the solution to hhelping us with size, hits or pk…let alone 5on5

    anyhow, he doesn’t excel at one area that we need help with…smac can fight, zach is bi and hits…potulny takes shots…reddox? i say let him marinate for another two years and then turn him into peterson…he’s just not ready to be part of the solution even with the smile and good attitude

  37. Jfry says:

    that’s supposed to say big, not bi…pretty funny though

  38. doritogrande says:

    anyhow, he doesn’t excel at one area that we need help with

    After a comment like this, I’m curious as to what you think of Fernando Pisani.

    There’s your player comp.

  39. Lowetide says:

    jfry: lol. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :-)

  40. Bank Shot says:

    Would we even be talking about Reddox right now if he had 1 point in 25 games playing with Brodziak-Stortini-MacEntyre on the 4th line?

    Reddox has been getting the royal treatment that we haven’t seen with any rookie outside of Gilbert and Gagner.

    Look at his top nine linemates in terms of icetime. Gilbert, Souray, Horcoff, Visnovsky, Grebeshkov, Penner, Staios, Cole, Cogliano.

    Perhaps Reddox will become an effective role player at some point down the road, but there is no reason to be seeing him in Oilers silks today, because he clearly isn’t deserving of the type of minutes he’s been receiving.

    We can argue all day about Reddox might become, but he’s clearly not much right now. No one can say that he definitely won’t make an impact in the NHL, but he looks alot like a hope and prayer buzzer beater attempt from half-court to me.

  41. HBomb says:

    DG: Pisani is a VERY generous comparable. I’d say that’s the outer marker in the other direction.

  42. Bank Shot says:

    Reddox could improve a good deal and still only be the type of guy that puts up 15 points on the 4th line.

    Right now he’s a guy on pace for 16playing with the team’s top sixers.

  43. Scott says:

    I would rather see someone else in Reddox’s spot on spot duty for the first line, probably Pouliot or Cogliano. That said, Reddox hasn’t been a terrible call-up and given his age he might be with the team for a long time. I think the Petersen comparison is designed to downplay his successes to this point, which probably isn’t fair. Having him in the line-up doesn’t seem like a bad call, although his role there is a bit curious.

  44. Phil says:

    This may be way off topic, but I’m hoping that my favourite Oiler prospect, Alex Plante, will be on the Falcons next year. I think if the organization gives him the same shot they gave Matt Greene, he’ll be twice the player. Hey, he’s 50% in shootouts this year!

  45. Jonathan Willis says:

    Young doesn’t potential outside of a PB guy and he isn’t a impact veteran. Let him walk.

    Seconded. There’s no sense in keeping older AHL types who only fill a depth role on the team anyway. The team’s better off signing a Helmer/Rourke/Baumgartenr, or giving the spot to a Petry/Peckham/Chorney type. Either a vet who can be a reserve defensemna now or a kid with a higher ceiling.

  46. Traktor says:

    Linus Omark is now the lone scoring leader in the SEL with 48 points in 47 games.

  47. HBomb says:

    As obvious as the combination of the 1st line of Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky, at full health, shouldn’t the 4th line combination of Moreau-Brodziak-Reddox be equally obvious?

    I have no problem with Reddox or players of his type….I have a problem when those players end up getting minutes on the first line to send a message. It’s stupid.

  48. Traktor says:

    hbomb:
    I said it before but I compare not ever trying Moreau on the 4th line with Brodziak and Stortini to a police officer questioning everyone except the boyfriend of a murdered women. A level of incompetence that can only rationalized through motives.

  49. Jonathan Willis says:

    RE: Reddox

    I think Reddox may well be a bottom-six NHL player for some time to come, but I’m not convinced he’s there yet. Here are Reddox’s advanced stats for the year (all rankings among forwards with 10GP+):

    QualComp – 8th (betw. Gagner and Cogliano)

    QualTeam – 6th (betw. Gagner and Cole)

    Corsi/60: -19.3 (only MacIntyre is worse)

    EVPTS/60 – 11th at 1.27

    Faceoff Start – 62off/6neu/65def (+3)

    Faceoff End – 55off/44neu/69def (-14)

    Incidentally, Reddox is posting -21 of his -70 Corsi rating with Horcoff; Horcoff’s +88 without him, and -21 with him.

    Lastly, the guy ranked right below Reddox in offense (Brodziak) is doing it with an insanely defense-heavy faceoff load (195def/84off) and far inferior linemates. Even if we accept that 51 is a very good 4th-liner, Reddox isn’t close yet, and doesn’t bring the special skills of MacIntyre/Stortini.

    He’s a plugger getting played with better linemates and in better situations, but who a) generates negligible offense and b) is one of the worst pluggers on the team at this point.

    He’s an impact player in the AHL, but he doesn’t belong in the NHL at this juncture.

  50. Asiaoil says:

    Tractor – we let GlenX walk because we already had Moreau to fill his role but never actually play him in that slot. MacT/Lowebellini logic….

  51. Lord Bob says:

    I don’t dispute that Reddox might improve. But the trouble is that he hasn’t shown any signs of belonging in the NHL yet.

    If we recalled Colin McDonald and he got scraped off the ice every night, it wouldn’t reflect well on him if he said “well, guys his age improve.” Improving from crap to less-crap is still not a big help.

  52. Lord Bob says:

    Also:

    Ethan Moreau: 11 goals this year
    Curtis Glencross: 9 goals this year

    Just sayin’. :P

  53. HBomb says:

    Traktor: Moreau/Brodziak as 2/3rds of your fourth line with any of Stortini, Reddox, Brule or Potulny on the right side is the type of fourth line that’s going to give a coach the ability to roll four lines moreso than other teams. I don’t know why they can’t see the benefit to doing it.

  54. HBomb says:

    Lord Bob:

    Glencross: 24 points, 1.2 million per for this season plus two more.

    Moreau: 19 points, 1.2 million per for this season plus two more.

    Plus, remember, one is how much younger than the other?

    I know who I’d rather have in a league where you have a salary cap to deal with.

  55. Lord Bob says:

    Oh, hell, I’d rather have Glencross ten times out of ten, HBomb.

    I was just noting an entertaining stat.

  56. Dennis says:

    Traktor: but what if the cops were really good buddies with the boyfriend;)

    Listen, I understand what you’re saying because I’ve been saying it for a long time as well but there seems to be now way 18 will wind up on the 4th line. Sure, he was there the last time were in the playoffs and that seemed to work out well;) But now we’ve got all these kids and it looks like his experience is trumping his play.

    On 85: we have to consider who he’s playing against and Reddox is drowning in the deep end. I’m not damning the guy but I want to see him in a different role because I judge him either way.

  57. Traktor says:

    Jonathan:

    I don’t think we can properly assess the bottom 6 without first analyzing the top 6.

    What do we know?

    Gagner and Nilsson are undersized and non-physical.

    Shawn Horcoff (17) has less hits than Nilsson (21).

    Hemsky can take a hit with the best of ‘em but he sure can’t deliver them.

    Penner is a gentle giant.

    Cogliano has the heart of Rudy Rudiger but he’s not intimidating anyone.

    The only top 6 player with any sort of edge is Cole.

    As much as Reddox or Pouliot might be useful NHL players all they do is further unbalance the pendulum.

    An undersized Reddox has absolutely no place on an already undersized team that sits dead last in the NHL in hits.

    Asia:

    The same can be said about Reasoner and Brodziak/Pouliot.

    The Oilers shortsightedness has reached new depths this year. I almost expect Edmonton to waive JDD now that we traded away Garon.

    Not even 6 months ago Steve Tambellini said there would be no more jamming square pegs through round holes, but sure enough the little engine that could has seen spot duty with Horcoff and Penner while former top 10 pick Brule is grinding shit out on the 4th line.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan: Good work there, thanks for that. It’ll be interesting to see if his development curve continues (obviously if he’s getting exposed in the same way a year from now he’ll be gone) or the Oilers replace him as they get healthy/make trades.

    He has made some small steps (Reddox was 0.83 and -19.8 on December 7th) but he certainly has enjoyed terrific linemates this season.

  59. Traktor says:

    And my point about first assessing the top 6 isn’t to discount Reddox’s stats but rather to highlight that he has no place on the club regardless of his stats. The fact that his numbers are bogus is serious overkill.

  60. Scott says:

    Linus Omark is now the lone scoring leader in the SEL with 48 points in 47 games.

    Thanks for the update on Omark Traktor. I have been a little bit excited about Omark this season but am wondering where he may fit in next year or the year after on an NHL squad, especially considering the size issues this team has. It sounds like you think highly of Omark as well. Where do you think he fits on this team?

  61. Lowetide says:

    Traktor: I don’t agree. Look, I can certainly see (based on Jonathan’s terrific post) that Reddox is a drag on Horcoff (and I assume Hemsky was on the line too, making Reddox a human albatross) but then again he was also playing a little tougher opposition than the average 4line player too.

    Right?

    Jonathan: I count Brodziak (1.21), MacIntyre (1.11) Stortini (0.99) and Nilsson (0.80) as being below Reddox in 5×5/60 (Reddox is 1.27).

    Did I misread your point about Brodziak being the only player below Reddox by this measure?

  62. Scott says:

    and I assume Hemsky was on the line too, making Reddox a human albatross

    Most of his time on the top line was during Hemsky’s injury, so he was with Horcoff and Penner for the most part. He was clearly overwhelmed there, but when the level of competition is held to an easier standard he does much better. After his first 13 games (before Hemsky’s injury) his scoring chances were 20/18 at EV in a more limited role. So that looks fine. Since that time he’s been getting buried to the tune of 33/58 in 11 games. Just overwhelmed when he’s put in a tougher spot.

  63. kris says:

    You guys are just so negative. One day Powder will stare at you mornfully, or touch you lightly on the shoulder and all your cynicism and nay-saying will fall away, leaving only joy…

    (I hope you guys have actually seen the movie after which we’ve named Reddox “Powder”, or I’m going to seem awfully crazy.)

  64. Traktor says:

    Scott:

    I have no idea where he fits. If Omark and Eberle can take Nilsson and Gagner’s place we might be able to address another need and not miss a beat.

    Lowetide:

    I don’t think you’ll find one person in the world who feels Reddox is better player than Sergei Samsonov. I also don’t think you’ll find one person in the world who feels Samsonov would improve our club. That said this team could use Reddox more than it could use a Samsonov and by the same token this team could use Guillaume Lefebvre even more than it could use Reddox.

    I’m a fan of Reddox and I think he’s and NHLer just like Samsonov is an NHLer but both players just further unbalance the pendulum.

    JFJ can’t get healthy soon enough.

  65. St George says:

    I think making a call on Reddox now is very dangerous, especially considering the spike we’ve seen in the last 18 months.

    Well said Mr. Lowetide. To put it in mathmatical terms, the slope on his development curve has been steep over the last yeara and a half. If you project that forward another year or two using that slope, there is room for optimism. I don’t think we should write off a prospect based what we have seen (stats or otherwise)over a few months. I do think we should give our prospects longer to develop in the AHL, and I would be happier if he had spent another season or two there, but that’s another matter and something this team clearly isn’t interested in doing.

    we’re last in the league or close in several categories and i just don’t see him being the solution to hhelping us with size, hits or pk…let alone 5on5

    I don’t think that’s a realistic expectation. Until we really start a rebuild and tank for a year or a two so we can draft guys with names like Malkin or Crosby or Kane, we aren’t going to turn up prospects that step in and turn around an entire stat category for the team. Doesn’t really happen on any team, does it?

    And that’s my real frustration with this franchise in its current form. They are always half way between re-building and picking up vets to make a playoff run, and we end up with the worst of both worlds (we don’t have the low picks to really re-build, but we have too many young guys to really make a run). I don’t think the path to success works this way in the NHL anymore.

  66. Doogie2K says:

    And it was something else. Backhand, backwards, between the legs. Maybe it’s “saw him good”, but given Detroit’s reputation….it appears they’ve gone and done it yet again.

    I kind of wish he’d made the Wings out of camp so I could have him on my FH team, because we all know the Wings’ track record with unheralded Euros. Finnish League MVP is no slight.

    His name is Vitaly Kolesnik, and last year he went 15-13-0 with a 2.80 GAA and .917 SV% for the Lowell Lock Monsters of the AHL.

    Wasn’t Kolesnik the Russian goalie at the WJHC when they won silver a couple of years ago?

    This may be way off topic, but I’m hoping that my favourite Oiler prospect, Alex Plante, will be on the Falcons next year. I think if the organization gives him the same shot they gave Matt Greene, he’ll be twice the player. Hey, he’s 50% in shootouts this year!

    And that shootout goal (against Lethbridge, in the vintage Capitals-template jerseys) was absolutely killer. They show it as part of their pre-game video — as well as a clip of him starting the lawnmower on some poor sod in front of the Hitmen bench early in the year — and it’s just a beauty. Instead of unleashing the cannon like Stone, he does two forehand-backhand dekes and lifts it top-corner. If he never scores another one like that, I’ll still remember seeing it the first time.

    And for all the beefs about his speed, he’s at least capable of winning races at WHL speed now, so all is not totally lost in that regard. He’ll never have Paul Coffey’s feet, but I doubt his player type really needs that, either.

    Tractor – we let GlenX walk because we already had Moreau to fill his role but never actually play him in that slot. MacT/Lowebellini logic…

    No, we let him go because we were chasing Hossa. Big difference.

  67. Lord Bob says:

    Anyone who can lead a major European league in scoring deserves an NHL shot and I don’t care how big he is.

  68. Dennis says:

    Given the early start, tomorrow’s Nsh game preview has already been posted, audio and all.

    Listen to MacT’s clip around the 3:00 and onwards when he starts talking about Reddox.

    The kid stays in the picture.

  69. HBomb says:

    Dennis or anything else: have we heard or seen any quotes regarding why Penner got stapled to the bench last night in the 3rd?

  70. Scott says:

    I don’t think that’s a realistic expectation. Until we really start a rebuild and tank for a year or a two so we can draft guys with names like Malkin or Crosby or Kane, we aren’t going to turn up prospects that step in and turn around an entire stat category for the team. Doesn’t really happen on any team, does it?

    But Traktor is talking about categories like “team size at forward” and “hits” which aren’t really something you need a high pick to achieve. Both of those categories would improve with a small move like Jacques in and Reddox out, which I think is his main point.

    If Omark and Eberle can take Nilsson and Gagner’s place we might be able to address another need and not miss a beat.

    That’s an awfully big “if” and should they try that they’d be effectively wasting the remaining Hemsky years if it didn’t work out. I’m open to letting Nilsson move on in a trade but Gagner is another story. He should be incredible value next year for a run in the playoffs.

  71. Scott says:

    Dennis or anything else: have we heard or seen any quotes regarding why Penner got stapled to the bench last night in the 3rd?

    In the post-game MacT basically said he was playing badly. Not in the “he’s not trying and I’m pissed” way, but in the “the puck just wasn’t boucing for him” way. Said that Sunday would be another day. So no injury or anything. Certainly curious though. I didn’t think Penner was playing too bad last night.

  72. St George says:

    But Traktor is talking about categories like “team size at forward” and “hits” which aren’t really something you need a high pick to achieve. Both of those categories would improve with a small move like Jacques in and Reddox out, which I think is his main point.

    I understand, and I agree with Traktor’s thinking on the need for more in those categories, but I believe my point still stands. Replacing Reddox with Jacques isn’t going to move us dramatically up the rankings in either category – more wholesale change is required to really accomplish that. With 12 skaters on the ice any night, swapping out one 3rd- or 4th-liner for another isn’t going to correct a systemic problem.

  73. Lowetide says:

    Just listened to MacT’s comments on Reddox and had a giggle. He likes him more than I do! After all those hours wishing and hoping for Rita and then Pouliot this is a nice change. :-)

    Penner’s troubles with MacT remind me of the time Joe Thornton was a Bruin. When he struggled they called him lazy and when he was in the right place the wind just blew him that way.

    I think you can make a case that because big men don’t LOOK like they’re going all-out they are sometimes unfairly targeted. I don’t know if MacT has this re:Penner but it does and has happened in NHL history (Imlach v. Mahovlich being the ultimate example).

  74. Dennis says:

    I really don’t know where or how it all ends with MacT and Penner. It’s almost like MacT looks at Penner like I did with Smid: you look at what you’re paying him and/or what you gave up for him and that raises the expectations.

    I really think we’re seeing MacT rail against the brass this season. He had 5 forced upon him and into the top 4 in ’07 and now two years later he decides to bench him indescrimantly. It seems like now MacT figures he has to earn it but he HAS earned it over a replacement like 43 but macT will get his pound of flesh regardless. Now you have 27 making 4 mill and you had to give up picks for him and he doesn’t project as useful unless he gets the best linemates and I think that gets on MacT’s nerves.

    Personally, I thought the 27 signing had a chance to pan out but even though I can see more good things happen when he’s on the ice than bad, he’s not gonna score enough to cover that bet; especially not if the cap settles in the high 40′s/low 50′s.

    27 will be gone before MacT; there’s no way Penner finishes this contract as an Oiler.

  75. Scott says:

    more wholesale change is required to really accomplish that. With 12 skaters on the ice any night, swapping out one 3rd- or 4th-liner for another isn’t going to correct a systemic problem.

    This is true, but the idea that Traktor has presented in the past, and I’m sure he’ll correct me if I’m mistaken, is that the change we’re talking about needs to come in the bottom six. If a team wants to go small, speedy and skilled in the top half they need to have some big, harhitting players in the bottom half. This isn’t something that one needs to tear down completely to achieve. It might mean including Stortini on a regular basis and playing, say, Jacques and Lefevre instead of Pouliot and Reddox if we’re talking about players we already have. Not necessarily these guys, but something like that. And that doesn’t require tanking to find draft gems at all.

  76. Dennis says:

    The best bet is that When the Oilers pick up a big contract – because it’s a When and not an If proposition at this point- it’s gonna be 27 going the other way.

    The Oilers will pick up a 6 mill plus guy with five or six years left on his deal and in return the other team will get 27 with his couple of years left.

    Wouldn’t the Flyers love to move briere for Penner? Speeds says the Oil are interested in briere and we know the Oil are interested in a big ticket, macT doesn’t spare the rod with 27 and that Bobby Clarke loves size.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: You make a lot of sense re: Penner and that might dovetail into the future plans (as in addition from subtraction and seeking another NHL team with a contract they wouldn’t mind sending away).

    Your headache for my headache type deal.

    Year ago Buffalo traded Peter McNab to Boston for Andre Savard because both of them wanted more money and their coaches grew tired of their weaknesses.

    Worked out really well for Boston.

  78. St George says:

    is that the change we’re talking about needs to come in the bottom six. If a team wants to go small, speedy and skilled in the top half they need to have some big, harhitting players in the bottom half.

    Thanks for the clarification – makes sense laid out like that. I guess I have a little less faith in our top 6 than Traktor, but I think this is why so many of us were suprised to see GlenX go.

  79. Lord Bob says:

    You know what?

    The Leafs honouring Doug Gilmour still seems stupid.

    Is Bernie Nicholls next in line for the Oilers or something? Yeesh.

  80. Doogie2K says:

    @LB: I would have a much easier time with the Falmes honouring Gilmour than the Leafs. It just doesn’t seem like he was there long enough, you know? At least Wendel Clark spent his best years in Toronto.

  81. HBomb says:

    And because it’s the Leafs, we have to sit through this circle jerk being broadcast on national f’n TV. The guy is worshiped because he ALMOST lead the Leafs to the Finals. Says something about that particular organization, doesn’t it?

    The Toronto Maple Leafs suck and the CBC sucks. The day that Hockey Night in Canada winds up on CTV can’t come soon enough.

  82. Lord Bob says:

    Okay. First off, I’ve decided. The closest equivalent to the Leafs honouring Doug Gilmour is the Oilers retiring Bill Guerin.

    Second, at least the ceremony wasn’t that bad aside from the fact that it happened. There wasn’t the ceremonial Parade of Old Leafs for two hours, his speech wasn’t too long, and his daughter is surprisingly easy to look at.

  83. Doogie2K says:

    The Toronto Maple Leafs suck and the CBC sucks. The day that Hockey Night in Canada winds up on CTV can’t come soon enough.

    You’re assuming CTV/TSN won’t pull the exact same shit.

    I loved how Wendel! got the royal treatment while we had to watch a chopped-up, tape-delayed version of the Roy ceremony. Canadiens fans salute you with one finger, CBC. Well, the ones who weren’t watching on RDS, anyway.

  84. Jonathan Willis says:

    LT: No, but MacIntyre and Stortini aren’t here for offense and Robert Nilsson’s doing his best to play himself out of the NHL right now, so I’d label Brodziak’s numbers as the Oilers’ lower limit right now.

    Doogie: I think so, but I’m not sure.

    Traktor: This team could use a little snarl going forward, but even if Reddox isn’t in the long-term plans he’s a useful reserve guy or trading chip (albeit not an overly valuable one).

    Besides, I’m convinced that if we complain too loudly about the lack of hitting and edge, Moreau will get slotted on the top line again.

  85. Lord Bob says:

    The real Habs screwjob will always be CBC not showing Geoffrion’s number retirement at all when he died that morning. That takes some beating.

  86. HBomb says:

    Yeah, the Geoffrion thing is a farce, and even though I don’t like Roy one bit, anyone who says Wendel Clark is more historically significant than him is bat-shit crazy.

  87. Doogie2K says:

    The real Habs screwjob will always be CBC not showing Geoffrion’s number retirement at all when he died that morning. That takes some beating.

    Amen to that. Didn’t they fire their programming director and hire a Montrealer the following year to begin the appeasement?

    That really helped, didn’t it.

  88. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan: So, in your opinion, Reddox only has value moving forward as an offensive player and cannot help a team win in any other role? His value is that one dimensional?

    I honestly don’t see it, guys. I understand the importance of current and established performance levels but the Oilers have decided this guy is worth an investment of at-bats and he isn’t a flatline.

    And if he’s better a year from now then these at-bats are a worthwhile investment imo and especially considering his development curve.

    We’ll see.

  89. HBomb says:

    Cherry tonight, (rightfully) complaining about Clutterbuck being a “tough guy” and wearing a visor while fighting.

    He called Clutterbuck “Buttercup”. I laughed. But I can see where he’s coming from.

    Regardless, that’s the type of player the Oilers could use right now, no?

  90. Jonathan Willis says:

    So, in your opinion, Reddox only has value moving forward as an offensive player and cannot help a team win in any other role? His value is that one dimensional?

    No, I don’t think that at all. What I do think is that even if he’s playing a checking role, he needs to show some offensive flash to stay in the league. Right now he’s clocking in below Thoreson numbers, despite being used in a much better situation.

    He isn’t a world-beater defensively, and given his usage I’d say there’s quite a ways to go before he is one, so he needs to chip in some offense in the meantime, and I don’t see it happening right away.

    I think he’ll get there, eventually.

  91. Lowetide says:

    I hear you, but from my pov he’s in a much tougher situation because of the style of minutes played currently. He’s not heading out there against other guys trying to learn to lay off the curveball he’s facing a good starter with his first a-b.

    I think we need to consider this.

  92. Asiaoil says:

    LT – you know the thing that bugs a lot of people is that Reddox has been given opportunities that several guys on this team have left blood on the ice for years to get from MacT to no avail. But Reddox just shows up with zero pedigree, nothing really notable in the AHL, and ends up in the top line. Bet that goes over real well with several guys in the room – not that MacT cares about the room anymore. He cares about HIS boys and and guys with the proper deferential attitude – everyone else gets the whip and the leftovers. I used to like and respect MacT – but after watching this crap get worse and worse – he can go frak himself for all I care and the sooner he’s replaced the better. Reddox is just a pawn in a bigger game.

  93. quain says:

    I’m curious if you can name which player is going to hate MacT for playing Reddox on the top line, because I can’t figure it out.

    Disincluding Penner (who should be pissed for being benched regardless who it was for), the team is either veterans playing where they should, or second year kids who are getting good minutes (Gagner/Nilsson/Potulny) or respect from the coach (Brodziak).

    Cogliano is the one player who can have a valid complaint, but he’s doing good things on his line, so he takes one for the team.

    And, last I checked, Reddox played top line minutes in the AHL against tough competition. He may not have Rob Schremp’s draft ‘pedigree’, but the kid has chops.

  94. B.C.B. says:

    Potulny – He’ll get a one way, or he get traded for a 6/7th round pick
    Schremp – He will get a qualifying offer if he is still around, but I am sure it will be a one way
    Reddox – I hope he gets a two-way
    Brule – Has a one way, and is on the Oilers fourth line or higher
    Dubnyk – gets a couple years (thinking 3) most or all is a two-way
    Stone – Two way contract, 2 years
    Young – an AHL contract, one year
    Bisaillon – two-way, 2 years
    Spurgeon – two-way contract 3 years
    Sabourin: a one way contract stached in the minors, see my last point

    But the Oilers will have to go shopping and pick up some AHL forwards and a excellent AHL goaltender (to help up DD: I think we should call him Double D or Anna Nicole Smith). . . it is good to develop our prospects, but since I think the Roadrunners are coming back somewhere (Oaklhoma City?) and they will need to win to build a fan base.

  95. kris says:

    He cares about HIS boys and and guys with the proper deferential attitude.

    Do you mean ‘deferential’ as in ‘kissing MacT’s butt’ or just ‘deferential to working hard and learning from the coaches?’

    If it’s the former, I assume you’re guessing, unless you know something you’re not letting on.

  96. kris says:

    Reddox just shows up with zero pedigree, nothing really notable in the AHL

    Two counts of hyperbolic exaggeration, no?

  97. Coach pb9617 says:

    Whoa.

    That is some awesome work by the scripture writer at Gospel of Hockey.

    Who knew he was a number cruncher as well as the voice of god?

  98. Asiaoil says:

    You know coach – you’re allowed to have opinions around here. I don’t like MacT, I don’t like Lowe – even though I acknowledge their strong points. You just don’t seem to like strong opinions that differ from you own – but that’s your issue and I don’t worry about it.

    MacT has stooped to using some of the worst coaching tactics going this year – and I see no reason to kiss his butt or justify his approach. It’s juvenile and he looks lost. Lowe makes some good moves with dmen – but he’s left this team unbalanced and less competitive than it could be for several years in a row for no good reason other than his own vanity. If you like these hacks – good for you – but there’s no reason to direct snotty PERSONAL remarks my way. Stick to hockey – you’re better at that than insults.

  99. Coach pb9617 says:

    Are you sure you’re supposed to me responding to me?

    I’ve posted the schedule tonight and a comment about the awesome post at GOH last night. Did you find my schedule listing especially “snotty”?

  100. Ribs says:

    … And the Falcons lose yet again. These guys just can’t score goals. It’s pretty sad. 3 points out of last place in the AHL now. Maybe they should hire the Griffins coach for next year?

  101. quain says:

    I didn’t think you were snotty, Coach, but your schedule was anti-semitic… and I thought your Gospel of Hockey post was a tad sexist.

    (Yes, I am joking.)

  102. Doogie2K says:

    Well, shit, MIN-VAN goes to OT. Meanwhile, DAL lays a beating on CBJ, and while that would’ve been all well and good a couple of weeks ago, now that they’re in the milieu with everyone else…well, at least it was in regulation.

  103. Woodguy says:

    This team could use a little snarl going forward, but even if Reddox isn’t in the long-term plans he’s a useful reserve guy or trading chip (albeit not an overly valuable one).

    In the pregame on the Oilers website, MacTavish talks about Reddox near the end.

    MacTavish:

    -compares him favourably to Pisani
    -says he feels confident enough in Reddox to play him with a 1 goal lead in the last minute of a game
    -posits that Reddox can play any of the top 12 forward positions on the team.

    Sounds like he is here as long as MacTavish is for the foreseeable future.

  104. Scott says:

    Well, shit, MIN-VAN goes to OT.

    Indeed. But this is mitigated as many of us, myself included, are Vancouver residents. The losing streak continues! So I’m just happy that the Wild got the job done on the back half of the back-to-back. Let the destruction continue!

  105. Bruce says:

    Well, shit, MIN-VAN goes to OT.

    I tried my formula of cheering for the team leading in regulation, but it didn’t work well at all. Minny took a bonehead neutral zone penalty with 90 seconds left, and then blew about 4 chances to clear the zone with the goalie out and free icings allowed. I’m sure they don’t like losing a point to Vancouver, but they got their 2 points so they’re not too worried about it. Meanwhile there’s 13 other teams in the west who Didn’t blow the lead that are equally burned by the extra point “earned” by the Canucks. Whereas in a sensible system like the “three point must”, Vancouver would have gained that extra point at the expense of tonight’s opponent alone.

    That’s 9 home losses in a row of one description or another for the Dys, 8 in a row overall since they won here three and a half weeks ago. Their fans did not sound very happy tonight. Tee hee.

  106. Ribs says:

    Shoot. I knew I should have taken Bergeron instead of Letang in the pool this week. Ah well.

  107. Bruce says:

    re: Reddox. Liam is one of just two Oilers (Nilsson being the other) who has a negative QualComp and a positive QualTeam. Despite this enviable situation, he has compiled a less than enviable +1.78/-2.79 = -1.01/60 record.

    On the PK unit, among players with 20+ GP and 1:00+ TOI/G, he has compiled the worst rating on the team of -11.62/60. Of 352 NHLers over the 20/1:00 threshold, Reddox ranks 347th.

    He’s a dogged little guy who does take the body (7.7 hits per 60) but to little effect. Not too much else that stands out about him, he’s at best a “replacement level” player. I have more patience than some in investing ice time in young players, but I’m curious to see what the upside might be for this guy. Cuz I don’t see him as helping the team a whole lot so far in 2008-09.

  108. HBomb says:

    MacT compared Reddox to Pisani?

    First off, I think that’s a VERY generous comparison for Reddox. I doubt he’s ever anywhere close to 34, who is one of the best 3rd liners in the league.

    And even if that’s his path – when in his rookie season did Pisani ever get a shot on the top line like Reddox did with Horcoff/Hemsky?

    The guy is what he is. He’s probably an NHL’er. But he’s a 4th liner at this point and probably no better anytime soon. Putting him in the top six, under ANY circumstances, is stupid and an embarrassment for this hockey club.

    He is what he is, Reddox. What he is NOT is an offensive prospect.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers always seem rudderless as an organisation.

    I’m past caring about this season, other than my expectations for a 7/8th place finish, and the inevitable playoff boot thats bound to come with it, but what might in fact worry me is that inane manner in which the Oilers AHL team is so fucking mismanaged.

    On the other hand, the organisation might merely be playing to that fairly substantial set of fans who take delight in seeing prospects fail.

  110. hunter1909 says:

    As an organisation, the Oilers are like the plain jane sister who tags along to the dance hoping to fool someone into taking her home later.

    Or that plain jane, who tarts herself up to try to look hot like other, more desireable chicks.

  111. Coach pb9617 says:

    I didn’t think you were snotty, Coach, but your schedule was anti-semitic… and I thought your Gospel of Hockey post was a tad sexist.

    Hm…after re-reading the post, I did say “he” when referring to the writer. You are correct, the writer could be a woman or a transgendered individual. I will note this going forward and be less snotty.

    Corrected version: I didn’t realize that IT was a number cruncher as well as the voice of god.

  112. Dennis says:

    Hunter: I would take that Plain Jane sister every time; she’s an easy lay;)

    Bruce: I imagine I was one of the first to peg the Dys as divisional winners once they picked up Sundin and I’m wondering how it all went wrong. All of Sundin, Salo and Luongo are back in the lineup and they’re still awful. Has anyone been watching them to see how they’re doing? I know HNIC mentioned last night that their PK is in the dumps. I must be getting softer in my older age because the Canucks fan is to be pitied. They’ve been in the league for over 40 years and they still don’t have a Cup. As a long-suffering Expos fan, I know how painful that can be. And it must be even more frustrating for the denizens of Van given that their team operated for the vast majority of the time with the finanical restricted that hindered Les Expos.

    Regarding Gilmour, the fact that the club Hasn’t won since ’67 means they are gonna have a lot of pride in a couple of clubs that went to the Conf finals; and I really don’t mind them celebrating him. The guy was heart and soul and signalled a turnaround for the franchise.

    Then again, I must admit to having a soft spot for those mid 90′s Leaves clubs. The Oil were in the fucking abyss at that point and I tuned them out after the ’93 season and I didn’t go back to full-hearted follow until they picked up CuJo. But my Dad was a Leaves fan so I followed them on those runs and I remember those games well.

    The guy was a helluva player and in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

  113. Coach pb9617 says:

    Regarding Gilmour, the fact that the club Hasn’t won since ’67 means they are gonna have a lot of pride in a couple of clubs that went to the Conf finals;

    Considering the rarity of a cup, I think that Pennant-winning teams are something to be remembered as well. Sure, a pennant never replaces a championship, but in sports like modern baseball and modern hockey, where the season and playoffs are a test of rigor, stamina in addition to skill, a pennant means something. Not enough to go teary-eyed and retire numbers and send people to the hall, but enough to look at a period and say “Damn, these guys were a very successful organization, and those were some great teams.”

  114. Lowetide says:

    Just to rap this up in a neat little bow:

    1. MacT’s comments are clearly outside the range and imo that’s okay. Coach knows what he is and for one of the few times this season resembles the old, consistent and wise MacT.

    2. Not to beat a dead horse, but in this thread several people seem to me avoiding the “development curve” issue. We didn’t see Pisani as an Oiler when he was 22 (he was at Providence College) and in fact he didn’t play an NHL game until he was 26 years old.

    Are you CERTAIN Reddox can’t develop into such a player? REALLY?

    Based on the last 18 months?

  115. Dennis says:

    Coach: two things on that point:

    1: in those terms, you’d consider the early to mid ’00′s Oakland A’s a good team and I know I certainly would as well.

    2: people in Alberta have a big bug up their ass about Ontarion. As a guy from NL, I guess we’re “lesser” than everyone;) but I don’t carry as much Leaves hate as everyone else. Yes, I was pissed when CuJo went there and everyone acted like he showed up straight from St. Louis but I’d had a dish for a long time now and I can see the Oilers anytime I want and I can read whatever coverage I choose so I’m OK with it all.

  116. Dennis says:

    LT: 85′s been put in a hard spot and he’s drowning and I’m not gonna down him for that.

    When he goes back to his own weight class then we can see what the future might hold.

  117. Dennis says:

    LT: BTW, get up the game thread, son!;)

    I’ve been up since 8am NST; big storm on the Avalon and I’m trying to get shovelled out so I can attend my Super Bowl Party.

    Finally, Oilers are absolute money during big NL storms; be it rain OR snow;)

  118. PunjabiOil says:

    Are you CERTAIN Reddox can’t develop into such a player? REALLY?

    Obviously, nothing is set in stone, but one can argue Pisani was the exception to the norm.

    While I agree Reddox should be offered another contract this summer, it should not be a one-way contract. We’ve already got enough undersized forwards out there, and those in the system (Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson, Brule, Schremp, Eberle, Omark, etc.).

  119. Bruce says:

    several people seem to me avoiding the “development curve” issue. We didn’t see Pisani as an Oiler when he was 22 (he was at Providence College) and in fact he didn’t play an NHL game until he was 26 years old.

    By then he was ready. It seems to me that Reddox, just turned 23, isn’t there yet. No knock on the kid at all, he’s come a long way, but by the usual metrics we apply he comes up a long way short based on results, this year, now.

    Are you CERTAIN Reddox can’t develop into such a player? REALLY?

    No, of course I’m not certain. He’s on a steep curve, maybe a little steeper than he can handle well in the short term, but he may well be a useful player in time.

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