Roll Away the Stone

The Edmonton Oilers have traded Mathieu Garon to Pittsburgh for a package including forward Ryan Stone. Also included in the deal from Pittsburgh is G Dany Sabourin and a 4th round pick in 2011.

Stone is the player of interest in this deal. Drafted 32nd overall in the deep 2003 draft he was ranked as a possible first round pick that summer. He’s described as a tough two-way player and he does have some NHL experience (8 games, 0-1-1) including 1 game this season.

Where would he rank in terms of value? I’d say he’s about what JF Jacques would be worth healthy, a fairway wood from the Pouliot’s and Brodziak’s of the world. His toughness makes him a somewhat unique player for the Oilers and I wouldn’t rule out another roster move by the Oilers to make room for him right away.

He’s certainly a player of interest.

Sabourin could safely be described as “Deslauriers insurance.” A player Edmonton will no doubt have little problem getting through waivers, he does have a lot of NHL experience and should be considered a suitable backup. His SP this season (.898 in 19 games with the Pens) is comparable to Garon’s (.895 in 15 Oiler games) but the trade makes sense from the Penguins point of view if you believe he can play at a level similar to what he managed a season ago in Edmonton.

This is Steve Tambellini’s first trade as Oilers GM. Leaving aside the mystery surrounding Garon’s fall from grace this is a solid return. The draft pick is another bullet in the gun, nothing more.

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  1. HBomb says:

    Well, it’s official….we’re going into this summer with HUGE questions regarding our goaltending.

    Deslauriers is unproven, Sabourin is what he is, and re-signing Roloson, even for one year, is a bad idea in my mind at least.

    So, in other words….we’re right back where we started after the lockout. Jesus.

  2. Jason says:

    ok, i’m TRYING to hold myself back and wait until we see the package, but seriously! WHAT were they thinking?! garon still has productive years ahead of him, roloson will be retired by the end of next season, if not this season, and deslauriers isn’t ready yet for a number one job

  3. HBomb says:

    Ok, so we now have Pouliot, Nilsson and Stone from the early part of the 2003 draft.

    When does the Jeff Tambellini for Rob Schremp deal come to fruition, I ask?

  4. Lowetide says:

    I see this another way. This is somewhat similar to the Ryan Smyth trade in that the Oilers had already made their decision on him. Garon wasn’t coming back, this team had Pete Peeters’d him awhile ago.

    My bet is that this trade was on the table for awhile and possibly the Penguins added the pick to push it over the line.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Garon have a huge second half in Pittsburgh.

  5. Lowetide says:

    The other thing is that this is clearly a deal to help the AHL team.

  6. HBomb says:

    Well, the Oilers managed Garon terribly, which is sad, because they should have been working on getting the guy in a groove and extending him for 2 or 3 seasons. Of the three guys they had on the roster at the beginning of the season, 32 was the best bet for a long-term (i.e. beyond this year) solution as starter.

    Now, we`ve got a guy pushing 40, an unproven JDD, and a career backup. Ick.

  7. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    One heartbeat away from JDD as #1 goaltender.

  8. Lowetide says:

    I think there are plenty of options in goal this summer so that’s a secondary consideration. If the Oilers felt Garon was the solution they’d have signed him.

  9. Duke Phillips says:

    Jason – Garon is unrestricted at the end of the season, and by all accounts, wasn’t going to be coming back.

    It’s pretty clear at this point what’s going to end up happening – Roloson sticks around until the deadline, gets shipped out for a pick or two, Sabourin is your starter for a month, and Tambellini makes a run at a top-level starter in the offseason.

  10. HBomb says:

    THE solution this summer is Thomas Vokoun, if Florida decides Craig Anderson is their man.

    If not, either of the Boston goalies or Backstrom (if the price is right) are at the top of the list.

    I just took a look back at the first round of the 2003 draft, when Stone went early in the 2nd, and again I marvel at just how good a draft year that was….

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

  11. Asiaoil says:

    Ask yourself if this trade made the team better today – the answer is no – it addresses none of the holes in any way, shape or form. Goaltending and LW were strengths on this team only a few months ago – both are shambles as of today.

  12. HBomb says:

    It’s pretty clear at this point what’s going to end up happening – Roloson sticks around until the deadline, gets shipped out for a pick or two, Sabourin is your starter for a month, and Tambellini makes a run at a top-level starter in the offseason.

    Somehow I doubt that the Oilers do that if they’re still in the playoff race like they are right now.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Asia: I think the bigger story is what the hell happened to Garon in the Oilers estimation.

    They’ll have money to address the G this summer, but it looks to me like this team is ready to run with Deslauriers as at least a co-#1 sooner than later.

  14. Marc says:

    Given that LA only got a 7th round pick for Labarbera, who hasn’t done much more in his career than Garon has, credit to Tambo for get so much for him.

  15. HBomb says:


    They’ll have money to address the G this summer, but it looks to me like this team is ready to run with Deslauriers as at least a co-#1 sooner than later.

    Do these guys have a fetish with going into seasons with glaring holes on the team?

    If they want JDD as backup for next year, fine, but get a 65-game starter to play in front of him, or this team is never going to rise above the annual battle for 8th place.

    Vokoun please and thank you. Penner for Vokoun, straight across, then Roloson for a conditional pick from Detroit. Do it now!

  16. Kris says:

    LT: Stone’s numbers look pretty ordinary.

    What do you think he would’ve been worth straight up? A 4th round pick? A 3rd? Which guy on in our system has similar value?

    Please help me feel good about this.

  17. Duke Phillips says:

    HBomb: Maybe I’m a little more pessimstic than I should be – but I’m not sure that we’re going to be any better off on March 4th than we are now

    Hypothetically, if there’s a first rounder on the table for Roloson, and we’re still hovering around 9th, I think you have to pull the trigger and roll with what you’ve got for the rest of the season.

    Same with a guy like Cole – there probably won’t be a lot out there in terms of rental forwards at the deadline, and if someone is willing to overpay, it’s a pretty easy call.

  18. HBomb says:

    Duke: if it’s me, I’m shopping Penner like mad and trying to extend Cole, to be honest.

  19. Asiaoil says:

    Hbomb – yes they clearly do – it’s almost weird how they try something stupid every year in terms of personnel and watch it fail. Kind of like MacTs pointless early season lineup moves.

    LT – Garon made the cardinal sin of suggesting that Peeters was useless and brought in his own coach. Since the old boys care more about protecting their own than winning – the results were inevitable – and the early season whisper campaign about Garon’s toughness was part of that. The team is being run into the ground by these clowns and so it’s hard to get too worked up about it.

  20. Duke Phillips says:

    Weren’t there some rumblings at the start of the season about trying to get Cole signed to an extension right away? That talk died pretty quickly. I’m sure the Oilers must have put something on the table.

    I think if he had any intention of sticking around he would have made it known by this point.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    What’s hilariously horrible about this, Garon comes here of his own free will, get’s treated like crap, and there are fans in this post already myopically dreaming about this team getting a top flight UFA next summer.

    Well I really hate to piss in your soup, but here’s what will probably happen:

    Oilers won’t have a top flight goalie starting next season.

    Cole is totally gone, because he’s not stupid.

    Shawn Horcoff will be getting paid nearly as much as Sidney Crosby, and oh yes, there won’t be any cap space for the fantasy Hossa’s as a result.

    MacTavish as coach for 2009-10? And why not? let’s at least give the guy a chance!

  22. shepso says:

    um…what?

  23. mjsh says:

    I think Tambo did a great job with this deal. Even last year, I thought that when worked hard, Garon did not bring what the Oilers needed for a starter. Yes, he was good for a few games at a time but when playing 8 or 10 in a row, his play fell off.

    Two softies again last night. Clearly, Pete Peeters issues aside, Garon was not the guy that I wanted long term for this team.

    Rolly has proven himself as #1 back in Minny’s playoff run, then in 2006 and again this year. He has at least another year in him and Tambo got more than LA did for Labarbera.

    good job

  24. shepso says:

    It’s true that something had to be done about the monster, and that we got something back for Matty who was underperforming, which is more than LA can say, but the fact is, the organization treated him like crap all year and now they’ve sent him to ride shotgun for Fleury and potentially get closer to the cup then I think the Oil will. On a purely personal level, as I am a Matty Garon fan, I’m glad he was shipped out to a contender. It almost makes up for how poorly the Macblender and Lowebellini treated him this year… Almost

  25. Asiaoil says:

    Hunter- yeah it’s a gong show with this mgmt group clearly well beyond their “best before” date but showing no signs of being shown the door. The team is a full of holes both in terms of skills and character and this is the deal they make?

  26. HBomb says:


    Shawn Horcoff will be getting paid nearly as much as Sidney Crosby, and oh yes, there won’t be any cap space for the fantasy Hossa’s as a result.

    Sidney Crosby: 8.7 million cap hit.
    Shawn Horcoff: 5.5 million cap hit.

    If you want to bitch about salaries holding back the Oilers from a Hossa type addition, blame the 4.7 million in dead money sunk into a 4th line LW and a 5th defenseman, or the 4.2 million dollars they’re paying Dustin Penner.

    And where exactly do you get this idea that Cole’s not signing here? Got any proof of that?

  27. HBomb says:

    Well, judging by the scouting reports, Ryan Stone’s skill-set suggests he’d be able to replace Moreau on the LW whenever the Oilers figure out that 18 is done and should be traded to the first sucke….umm, interested buyer.

  28. GorillazXL says:

    mjsh

    Garon and the “kids” were the reasons why the Oilers had any success last year. MacT ran with a struggling Roloson for a half a season until he finally let Garon play a few games in December which Garon ran with. This season Garon threw two stinkers in October and it was back to Roloson. How does that work? Roloson blows half the season before he gets yanked, and Garon blows two games and gets the PB.

    GXL

  29. Marc says:

    Asiaoil – How is not playing a goalie who has sucked this year by any objective or subjective measure evidence that management doesn’t care about winning?

    There are many things you can criticise Lowe et al for, but this really isn’t one of them. Look at how many mediocre goalies have turn half a good season into a lucrative extension and promptly become millstones to their teams. Gerber, Theodore, Emery, Raycroft, Emery – the list goes on.

    Management weren’t sure if Garon could sustain the form he had last year and held off signing him to an extension. Garon has entirely justified their caution with his play this year. You should be celebrating the fact that we aren’t saddled with a $3+ million a year backup for the next four years, and management deserve credit for not losing their heads and paying Garon like a star goalie just because they hoped he was one.

  30. Scott says:

    I don’t really understand the rage at this trade. Clearly the Oilers had already decided that Garon was not going to be the guy over the long-term. His numbers this year are, to be frank, brutal. His numbers last year were his best since the lockout at .913 when he led the entire league in SH save percentage. This was not likely to continue. Mathieu Garon is a mediocre goalie and signing him to 3M over 3 would have been the huge mistake, not moving him for something value now. I probably would have preferred keeping him for injury insurance, but Garon was definitely not a long-term fix in goal, and the return on the trade is, as was mentioned, much higher than what the Canucks paid for Labarbera who is a similar talent.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    “If you want to bitch about salaries holding back the Oilers from a Hossa type addition”

    I don’t care about Hossa, but use him as an example of Oiler fans dreaming about getting top flight UFA’s who aside from providing lip service to the press(gobbled up by said fans as eagerly as gospel truth), have little intention of signing to this trainwreck of a management team.

    “And where exactly do you get this idea that Cole’s not signing here? Got any proof of that?”

    That’s easy. I saw the look on Mrs’s Cole’s face on tv.

    Dream on if you want HBomb. Tell yourself how players want to play for the Lowe/MacT/Laforge/Peeters/Buchberger hockey hydra, LMAO

  32. GorillazXL says:

    Marc – Your point re-enforce the issue that you couldn’t estimate Garon’s value. If the Oilers wanted to know if Garon was a true starter they would of played him more then they did. Two poor starts and Garon was gone. The Pittsburg game was brutal because the team in front of him were busy idolizing Crosby and not playing the game.

    GXL

  33. Scott says:

    have little intention of signing to this trainwreck of a management team.

    I think that it’s pretty difficult to speak on the intentions of others that you don’t know, have rarely observed and have never spoken to.

  34. HBomb says:

    That’s easy. I saw the look on Mrs’s Cole’s face on tv.

    Yeah, that really means a lot, eh? I mean, who’s going to be impressed being bugged by a media member while TV shopping?

    Stupid argument.

  35. HBomb says:

    Scott: I don’t think anyone’s upset with the trade, but rather, what it represents is on the horizon – major issues with goaltending.

    This team has been largely unstable in between the pipes for the last decade, save the first two seasons of Salo.

  36. GorillazXL says:

    Scott – Not sure if anyone is doubting the return of the trade; Laberra for a 7th vs Garon for Sabourin, Stone and a 4th in ’11. Not bad, but what is being debated is what brought us to this trade, and why not Roloson instead of Garon. Garon would of fitted with the development schedule of JDD and DD better (IMHO) then Roloson.

    GXL

  37. DeBakey says:

    This trade wasn't about solving the big issues, rather
    - eliminate the 3 goalie thing
    - add some depth for Springfield; obviously some of Reddox, Brule & Potulny will be staying with the big club.
    - the Oilers have been talking about adding toughness for a year,
    Hello Mr Stone.

    Kevin Lowe yesterday, talking about trades, and referencing the Hossa chase:
    "I really feel that type [of] player – But there's not that many of them around – is the type of player that pushes you into the comfort zone where – Are you a Stanley cup contender?"

    He also said someone will come knocking for Garon

  38. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    From Tencer:

    Oilers charter just departed Denver…so the audio won’t be coming until later today. But, here’s a quick quote from Steve Tambellini:

    “Things started heating up. Mathieu became someone that teams were interested in. Part of the deal was Danny Sabourin who I had in Vancouver and is a very good NHL goaltender. I don’t plan on bringing him to Edmonton; either through trade or placement in Springfield, we’ll see what happens the next couple days.”

    Also, Ryan Stone reports directly to Springfield.

    Sounds like there is another move to come.

  39. Marc says:

    GXL – But that requires you to assume that someone playing badly in a small number of games will suddenly play well in large number of games.

    I can understand Calgary letting Kipper play himself into top form. He had earned the benefit of the doubt with his over the last few years and it has paid off this year. Garon has no such body of work, just half a good season last year. As such I don’t think is unreasonable to expect him to play well if he wants to keep playing. That’s just good, prudent management.

  40. HBomb says:

    FCM: It was always Lowe's MO to seem to make deals in close proximity to each other. When he made one move, he'd usually make another.

    With Hemsky/Pisani/Nilsson all due back in short order, I'd say another move is going to happen.

    Currently, I am hoping for a Grebeshkov & Nilsson for Volchenkov deal to add some balls and a proven shut-down guy to our backend.

  41. andy grabia says:

    On a purely personal level, as I am a Matty Garon fan, I’m glad he was shipped out to a contender.

    Contender? Pittsburgh’s holding onto 8th in the East, having played two or three more games than their opposition. I understand the argument that Pittsburgh should be a top tier team in this league, but they certainly haven’t played that way this yea. Garon’s moving from one 8th place team to another.

    Is no one going to mention the one positive of this deal, which is that this frees up a roster spot? We’ve had three goalies in Edmonton much of the year. Now we can use that spot to carry a defenceman or forward.

  42. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    HBomb said…
    FCM: It was always Lowe's MO to seem to make deals in close proximity to each other. When he made one move, he'd usually make another.

    With Hemsky/Pisani/Nilsson all due back in short order, I'd say another move is going to happen.

    Currently, I am hoping for a Grebeshkov & Nilsson for Volchenkov deal to add some balls and a proven shut-down guy to our backend.

    Makes a lot of sense. Maybe too much.

  43. B.C.B. says:

    GLX: Roli is playing better then Garon (regardless if it is mismanagement), Roli is a clutch ‘tender (wee his playoff experience), Roli is stronger mentally (better Role odel for JDD), and I (and Oiler management) want to make the playoffs. This is why they traded Garon not Roli.

    Jonathon has an interesting post (at another site, you know which one I speak of) about European Goaltenders. It might be a good place for the Oilers to look, if Backstrom is not on the UFA market come July 1st. Rather then over playing for another ‘NHL’ tender.

    I have interest if Stone could be a Glenncross-like player in the drive. A large winger would help at this point.

  44. Scott says:

    why not Roloson instead of Garon. Garon would of fitted with the development schedule of JDD and DD better (IMHO) then Roloson.

    Well, first off, it means a lot to both the fanbase and the revenue of the business if the Oilers make the playoffs. Roloson has been better this year and his historical numbers are better. Roloson is better. So they kept him.

    Further, I don’t really think that either of the two younger goalies are worth building around. It seems that JDD will get his chance as a backup here, so we’ll see how things go for him.

    what it represents is on the horizon – major issues with goaltending.

    I think we would have had bigger issues with goaltending if we had signed Garon to a mid-term mid-money deal (like 3M/3). There’s not much evidence to suggest he’s anything special. Signing to big bucks is the bad play in my opinion. Garon played forty good games. So did Chris Mason, and how’s that going? So did Dan Ellis and how’s that going? I mean, the Ellis contract is actually a pretty good bet, but most of these guys with one good half season don’t turn out to be much.

  45. HBomb says:

    AG: Ok, inventory time.

    G: Roloson, Deslauriers
    D: Visnovsky, Souray, Gilbert, Grebeshkov, Staios, Smid, Strudwick
    F: Hemsky, Horcoff, Penner, Cole, Nilsson, Gagner, Pisani, Pouliot, Cogliano, Moreau, Brodziak, Stortini, Potulny, Brule, MacIntyre, Reddox

    16 forwards. Assuming Stortini is on IR for awhile, that brings us down to 15. The first 11 guys listed aren’t going anywhere for now. MacIntyre may have the pressbox most nights, but he has a purpose. Reddox may be a 4th liner, but he’s proving he belongs in the NHL. Potulny and Brule both have waiver-related issues and are probably playing both well enough to stick around.

    So, in short, the Oilers still need to shed a body between now and when 34/83/12 come back from injury.

  46. Woodguy says:

    Currently, I am hoping for a Grebeshkov & Nilsson for Volchenkov deal to add some balls and a proven shut-down guy to our backend.

    I like it if you substitute Gilbert for Grebeshkov.

    I think Grebs is better at every aspect of the game than Gibert and can be had cheaper then 4.0/yr.

    If Tabi can extend him sooner than later, it will be to the benefit of the team.

  47. HBomb says:

    Woodguy: I disagree. Gilbert`s a better all around guy in my mind. And Grebeshkov is going to cost 3 million a year on an extension, at least.

  48. DeBakey says:

    I am hoping for a Grebeshkov & Nilsson for Volchenkov deal

    I don’t think you can put Nilsson and Grebeshkov in the same sentance anymore.

    Grebs is a legit top-4 d-man, and a puck-moving defense fairy to boot.
    Nilsson, on the other hand, is a marginal top 6 forward. In other words, he’s one step away from the KHL.

  49. dave says:

    wow this is a room of grumpy old men! I am disappointed that Garon was not able to prove himself a number one. My gut is he was missmanaged this year. But we won’t really know that until he puts in a couple of strong years with the pens. (So we can table that arguement until then, if he busts with the Pens then management did ok)

    Sabourin is JDD insurance, nothing more. I think its in the oilers intereste to move Roli and other assets for younger starter coming back. Of all the discussed candidates I like Fernandez the most.

    They could have packaged Garon with a little something to patch up some holes but I think those assets will be more important in a Roli , Cole, Staios, Grebs, trade.

    The just cut bait on Garon and did a good job quite frankly.

  50. HBomb says:

    DeBakey: Nilsson’s a throw in to get that deal done.

    Ottawa needs puckmoving, we have puckmoving. Edmonton could use a shut-down type, they have Phillips, Volchenkov and Smith.

    There’s a fit for a trade here, methinks.

  51. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: I disagree. Gilbert`s a better all around guy in my mind. And Grebeshkov is going to cost 3 million a year on an extension, at least.

    Fair enough to disagree on who’s better.

    Grebs gets to play with Vis which helps the 5v5 numbers compared to playing with Souray, so you may have a point, but I still like Grebs.

    You do agree that Grebs can be had for less, which would help out.

    I highly doubt that the team starts 09/10 with both Gilbert and Grebs on the roster. Will be interesting to see which one stays.

    My $$$ is on Grebs.

  52. HBomb says:

    Woodguy: My ideal scenario is that if they decide to keep Grebeshkov, it’s Staios who gets moved so they can pay for 37. Not Gilbert.

  53. quain says:

    I have no idea how we’ll ever replace Garon. This is an abortion of a trade. It’s Luongo for Bertuzzi-esque.

    Fire the whole management staff, what a gong show.

  54. GorillazXL says:

    Marc – But that requires you to assume that someone playing badly in a small number of games will suddenly play well in large number of games

    That’s just it, you shouldn’t assume that someone who plays a 1/2 a season well is a true number one goalie. Would it not make sense to play him for a few more then six games in October (4W-2L, 2 games he stole, 2 games his team won for him, 2 games he was left high and dry)… I think LT summarized it best: Garon was “PetePetered”.

    BCB – Roloson may be better in the mentoring role, but it would be nice to have a little more insurance from a 31 year old goalie then a 39 year old goalie. A goalie that can come in and play if JDD blows it (maybe not next year, but 2 years from now).

    GXL

  55. Malc says:

    Stone can play C or LW, does anyone know if he can take/win faceoffs?

  56. shepso says:

    @Andy: I said the Pens are a contender simply because they have the firepower and playoff experience from a deep run last year to make some noise, more noise then the Oil will this year, unfortunately. Yeah, sure they’re in 8th, Crosby is on the shelf and they’re not the team they were last year based on the way the cap bit them in the ass, but they are still more of a legit contender then the team we all love so blindly, myself included. That’s all I was getting at. Garon has a shot to help a very good team with a slumping #1 goalie right now to push them into the playoffs in a better spot then they currently occupy, potentially like how (hockey Gods forgive me for saying this) Conks (a part of me just died) did for them last year.

    As far as the seemingly collective rage regarding this trade goes, it feels more like long term, big picture based rage, unless of course there’s a new plan in the works to rid ourselves of Roli or give him a 1 year extension to let him have a major role in developing JDD. I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea of a playing goalie coach. Roli is way better than Peeters. I doubt Sab will ever put on an Oiler sweater.

  57. Malc says:

    The goalie situation had to be settled, but i don’t get how management could make a move before seeing what JDD really brings to the table. He looked great early on, and then was never played again. They know nothing about his consistency in the NHL.

    If Garon was going out the door, JDD should have been playing some games in the last month.

  58. Ducey says:

    I think some of you need to seperate your dislike for the management group from the trade itself.

    Garon was picked out of the bargain bin for $1 million a year, has a good run last year until he gets hurt (remember Roli was in net for the end of last year), plays poorly this year, and suddenly the world ends because they trade him?

    The alternative to trading Garon was to sign him for a few years. Did you really want to do so?

    Management set up Roli and Garon to compete for the #1 job. Roli has been unflappable and a clear #1. Garon has not put up the numbers and was clearly not comfortable.

    The ONLY thing Garon has going for him over Roli is age. Roli seems to have shown he cold play at a high level next year, can you really say the same about Garon?

  59. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: My ideal scenario is that if they decide to keep Grebeshkov, it’s Staios who gets moved so they can pay for 37. Not Gilbert.

    You are right, that would be ideal.

    The Oilers have other holes that need to be patched though, and if Tabi is going to a homerun then a puckmoving defenseman is part of that deal.

  60. Woodguy says:

    AG: Ok, inventory time.

    G: Roloson, Deslauriers
    D: Visnovsky, Souray, Gilbert, Grebeshkov, Staios, Smid, Strudwick
    F: Hemsky, Horcoff, Penner, Cole, Nilsson, Gagner, Pisani, Pouliot, Cogliano, Moreau, Brodziak, Stortini, Potulny, Brule, MacIntyre, Reddox

    16 forwards. Assuming Stortini is on IR for awhile, that brings us down to 15. The first 11 guys listed aren’t going anywhere for now. MacIntyre may have the pressbox most nights, but he has a purpose. Reddox may be a 4th liner, but he’s proving he belongs in the NHL. Potulny and Brule both have waiver-related issues and are probably playing both well enough to stick around.

    So, in short, the Oilers still need to shed a body between now and when 34/83/12 come back from injury.

    HB, don’t forget JFJ coming off the IR with a one way contract.

  61. Asiaoil says:

    We now have a senior citizen, an older career backup, and a totally unproven kid in goal. Wow excuse me for not being thrilled. Any suggesting that the UFA market is the answer better realize how little any goalie with any talent and half a brain would want to play for jokers like MacT, Peeters and Lowe.

  62. Schitzo says:

    I think there’s two seperate issues here:

    1) Would Garon even be willing to come back to Edmonton?

    2) Was trading him a good idea?

    In my mind, the answer to #1 is no. He was done here. Given that, the trade addresses several issues (3-headed monster, Springfield screaming for help, etc).

    Now, the fact that Garon was basically chased out of Edmonton is worth talking about, but unfortunately is water under the bridge at this point.

  63. ChrissyT says:

    According to Gregor at ON, Garon turned down an extension from the Oilers in the summer:

    http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/01/report/

    And the Oilers had question marks regarding their goaltending situation next season anyhow, I don’t see how trading Garon has made it any worse as I doubt the Oilers were going to try to re-sign him a second time.

    I think its a good trade.

  64. Showerhead says:

    Just curious: setting aside the question marks about Edmonton’s goaltending future, is there anyone out there who is upset with the value of the return?

  65. Showerhead says:

    ChrissyT: wow, good find. I’m surprised that we weren’t collectively more aware of that fact.

    My own knee-jerk reaction is that Edmonton got quite a bit, even only at the minor league level, for a half season of an average or mediocre goalie that they don’t use very much.

  66. Matt says:

    Sabourin’s SV% thru his 1st 5 starts this season was .940. Since then it’s .878.

    Garon is 31 and is almost certainly exactly what his spotty record says he is. But the Oilers just got worse in goal.

    Other than that, I’m sure it was a great trade.

  67. rider guy says:

    Malc,

    JDD just got done a stint playing 5 games in a couple weeks for Springfield. He hasn’t played in the NHL in awhile, but his conditioning stint should have knocked the rust off his game anyways.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    I’m more than happy with the return. With a name like Stone, and, given the hands of stone displayed by most of the forward corps, I think he’s going to fit right in.

  69. doritogrande says:

    I like the deal if we’re using the Labarbara trade for comparison. Tambellini did a great job of turning a marketable asset into multiple assets. The problem with his counting stats is that he played on a very, VERY good Wheat Kings team when he was being drafted. He, along with Eric Christensen and Eric Fehr continued to develop together to the point where each was hitting minimum (Stone) 99 points in their final season of junior hockey. Very stacked offensive team, infact not unlike the current edition of the Wheaties. Shameless plug: pick up Schenn or Glennie this year Oilers, please.

    In Sabourin, we get a better goalie than JDD based on NHL experience. This concerns me some. I don’t think we’ve got this 3-headed monster solved yet guys. Somebody’s still got to go, and if we’re making a playoff push I’d rather it be JDD than Sabourin.

    The 4th round pick in 11 is…well it’s a crapshoot. But like someone already said, it’s another bullet in the chamber.

    It doesn’t improve our team right now, but this trade also might have been made to shut Mr. Springfield up. Everyone’s already familiar with his “from the Desk of:” right? This may just be Potulny reparations, who, judging by my NHL09 season statistics, is a pretty good AHL scorer alongside JFJ and Trukhno/Omark ;)

  70. PunjabiOil says:

    I don’t neccessarily mind the deal, but the 4th round pick is in 2011?

    What the hell? That’s 3 drafts from now.

  71. Showerhead says:

    Matt: going strictly based on rate through the Oilers first 44GP, we can expect there to be ~15 starts on the table for a non-Roloson goaltender between now and the end of the season. Based on recent evidence I’d suggest there are less than 15GP available but let’s use that.

    Post lock-out, Dany Sabourin has been a .901 goaltender in the NHL. I don’t see JDD’s .915 as sustainable but we don’t know how low that will go so I will look at Sabourin as the next best thing to Roloson. Garon, btw, has had a post lockout sv.% of .902

    If we know that Garon turned down an extension, has not been used very much, and probably won’t sign in Edmonton at the end of the year, how is that .001 (though clearly an imposing figure) significant enough to suggest that this is a bad trade? That Edmonton gets worse in net over this time period?

  72. PunjabiOil says:

    It would be interesting in finding out what the extension offer was, that Garon apparently rejected this past summer?

    That’s the stuff that apparently never finds its way in the newspapers. Honestly, I have no motivation to read the newspapers nowdays – it’s the same recycled garbage, full of cliches, that displays very little value to the user.

    Did the contract saga have a role in how Garon was handled on early in the season? If Garon has an extension going into the season, do the Oilers let him play his way out of the slump?

    I bet they do.

    JDD in net makes me nervous though.

  73. Sean says:

    My bet is that this trade was on the table for awhile and possibly the Penguins added the pick to push it over the line.

    LT: Late on the discussion here but your bang on this call based on what I’ve heard. My good buddy in Calgary (Flames fan God rest his soul) is brother-in-law to Dubnyk. Says JDD was told specifically that his trip to the farm was 2 weeks and that no matter how he played he was coming back and that one of the goalies was getting traded, presumably Garon. I told him BS but based on the timeline and results (the trade), I’d say this trade has been there for 2-3 weeks.

    I’m happy with the trade, I didn’t have confidence in Garon and they got decent return. I dont see why people are saying there all of the sudden is a big hole in net. Garon if he was in the plans would have been playing more than 20% of the games.

  74. Schitzo says:

    Did the contract saga have a role in how Garon was handled on early in the season? If Garon has an extension going into the season, do the Oilers let him play his way out of the slump?

    That’s a good question, and if that’s the case I agree with the Oiler’s position.

    Why is it in the Oiler’s best interest to give Garon the opportunity to go on a 30-game hot streak and set himself up for a $5 million a year UFA offer? If you’re spending that kind of coin, the goalie had better be top-notch. Otherwise, there’s lots of Rolosons and Sanfords out there.

  75. PDO says:

    So how happy would you be if you’re Brule right now? The Oilers pretty much opened up a roster spot for him…

  76. Schitzo says:

    So how happy would you be if you’re Brule right now? The Oilers pretty much opened up a roster spot for him…

    Never bet against the red-headed stepchild.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    When all is said and done, it’s better to get rid of one of the three goalies.

    Roloson has been playing well enough lately, to make the team want to keep him around.

    JDD, is the future.

    Garon is, what?

  78. Sean says:

    Man Jonathan had some good timing

  79. Jonathan says:

    Lots of anger here… wow. A couple of points:

    1) As LT said above, Garon wasn’t going to be the starter next year. Regardless of how mishandled he was (and I think it’s fair to say that he was), he wasn’t going to be the starter next season.

    2) There are a bunch of UFA guys on the market this summer. Labarbera is basically Garon all over again, so this team traded nothing irreplacable. FTR: Garon isn’t a “top-flight” guy – he fits into the same category as Garon and a wack of 1A/1B types.

    3) Since the Oilers a) aren’t using him now and b) don’t have him in the future plans, the return of a suspect, 4th round pick, and marginally inferior backup is superb. Especially considering what Gillis stole Labarbera for.

    I don’t understand how this trade can be viewed as anything other than a good thing; even if Garon rebounds in Pittsburgh, he wasn’t going to in Edmonton. The Oilers traded an asset with very nearly negative value to them (roster spot) for a grab bag of marginal stuff. That’s a win.

  80. Lowetide says:

    A couple of things:

    1. Tambellini saying great thins about Sabourin as an NHLer tells us the “embellishment” training is taking hold PLUS he implies there’s another shot to drop which is classic Oiler-speak. NO NHL TEAM is going to acquire Sabourin with an eye to addressing something. So putting these together my guess would be the transaction will look like “Edmonton Oilers send G Dan Sabourin and their 2009 5th rd pick to the Beverly Hillbillies for their 2009 4th rd pick” or some such. Sabourin slots in at #3 on the depth chart, which makes moving him a bit of a mystery.

    2. Jason Gregor’s comments over at ON are no doubt true but does anyone else feel these “leaks” are a bit obvious? Who cares? You didn’t like the guy and it’s obvious so why bother tarring him a little more with the big Oilbrush? Frankly I feel for Garon who at the very least worked like a bugger while here.

    3. If as HBomb suggests there is another shoe to drop, my sincere hope is that the player coming in is from a SE US city. Seems like there’s cherries for the picking down there right now.

    4. If they trade Horcoff this blog will be renamed “Hitchcock this!” and we’ll follow the Blue Jackers ufn.

  81. andy grabia says:

    That’s the stuff that apparently never finds its way in the newspapers.

    Why is this surprising? This is the standard Oiler/hockey media M.O.. The “journalists” in this town never saying anything critical or bad until a player’s left town. Then the spin comes out, and the lemmings all bite.

  82. andy grabia says:

    My favorite moment of this whole deal will be when Lowe says he had to do it because they needed to clear up the “goaltending situation,” completely ignoring the fact that he was the one who created the “situation” in the first place. That quote will most assuredly come. If there’s one thing you can rely on with the Oilers, it’s complete rationalization in the face of dissonance.

  83. andy grabia says:

    And just for good measure, because I’m on a roll, check out this beauty quote from Lowe yesterday.

    “But, heck, we’ve been in this position for six or eight years, and I’ve never been more confident that the team is going to make the playoffs.”

    As I noted in the comments to that post, that Kevin Lowe’s Edmonton Oilers for you: average or bust!

  84. RiversQ says:

    I don’t mind the trade at all. I think you can look at it in terms of this year and going forward.

    This year, Roloson is just plain much better. Garon had some anomalous numbers last year that appear to have corrected themselves (shootouts and PK SV% come to mind.)

    Going forward, Garon wasn’t in their plans and frankly I can’t see why he should have been.

    I’m fully in favour of any abusive treatment towards Kevin Lowe, but I can’t see how this works into that whole mess. I especially can’t understand Asiaoil’s position, mostly because he doesn’t try to back things up with objectivity anymore. Did you even rate Garon, AO?

  85. Matt says:

    Indeed Andy… whatever the merits of this trade, there seems to be a lot of comments here that are roughly, “Well given that Garon turned from a presumptive #1 to a third wheel in 3 months — in medium to large part due to issues other than his on-ice game performance — this is a good trade.”

    Consider the crazy hypothetical situation where Roloson plays poorly in the next 2 games (say a 5-4 SO loss to PHX and a 3-0 loss to CBJ). Then this trade looks horrible, does it not?

  86. Coach pb9617 says:

    Of the three guys they had on the roster at the beginning of the season, 32 was the best bet for a long-term (i.e. beyond this year) solution as starter.

    Based on what?

    This is like the name me 30 better centers than Horcoff question that no one can answer. What is everyone basing Garon being the long-term starter on? His numbers show a career journeyman and he had a bit of a hot streak for two months last year.

  87. Coach pb9617 says:

    I think there are plenty of options in goal this summer so that’s a secondary consideration. If the Oilers felt Garon was the solution they’d have signed him.

    Exactly. It’s been hashed and rehashed and there are 8 goalies on the market this summer that are better options than Garon.

  88. B.C.B. says:

    What do you think about Sabourin clearing waivers?
    Dubielewicz just got claimed by the Blue Jackets, so the islanders are still down a goaltender (and they passed on Standford a couple days ago, would they pass on another NHL backup making 0.5 million?). Maybe the Oil can trade Sabourin to the islanders for another draft pick and start whittling away at the 50 NHL contracts?

  89. Schitzo says:

    What do you think about Sabourin clearing waivers?

    Yeah, I can’t see them waiving him until a few more shoes drop. As you say, the NYI will probably just claim him should the Oilers do that.

  90. Jonathan says:

    Then this trade looks horrible, does it not?

    Given that Sabourin has a better save percentage than Garon this season, I’m not convinced there’s an argument to be made that he’s a big downgrade. If Deslauriers falters, insurance is built in.

    Even if Garon rebounds, it probably wasn’t going to happen in Edmonton. Roloson is a better option right now, and in the offseason Labarbera, Fernandez, or one of the other random semi-starting goaltenders fits the bill.

    I agree with LT above that another trade coming is probably nonsense, but what about Roloson to Chicago for Huet, or something similar?

  91. Eric P. says:

    Here are some of his fight highlights from this year, in the AHL (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJGN3CqfNO8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEoNg5mKLHw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiD9zhZHTg

  92. bookie says:

    Well, the Oilers managed Garon terribly, which is sad

    You know, while I feel that there may have been mismanagement as well, lets at least consider another possibility.

    End of Last Year – Garon told he would be #1 going into this year…

    Training Camp – MacT, Peeters, Lowe, etc watch Garon in Practice and he looks ‘shaky’, but give him some games.

    Season – A few good games and then the nervousness that is caused by being a starter with expectations gets into Garons head and he waffles a few games. In practice he looks terrible. Oilers want to play him, but he can’t stop a beach ball in practice. Dispite the best efforts of a bunch of professionals (Team psychologist, coach, goalie coach, etc…) Garon cannot regain form. Meanwhile Roli is playing like its 2006.

    Garon, dispite all investment, just is not regaining form.

    Future – trade to Pittsburg, comes in with no expectations on him. Gets a chance plays like a star… either never gets a spot as number 1 in league again OR does an flounders again.

    One thing we all need to understand – If Garon was as good as some believe and if he was truly driven to be a great goalie, HE would have done so.

  93. Coach pb9617 says:

    Currently, I am hoping for a Grebeshkov & Nilsson for Volchenkov deal to add some balls and a proven shut-down guy to our backend.

    No way. Gargoyle is slowly weaning off of the junk.

  94. Coach pb9617 says:

    Is this timing or is this management’s hand being forced by Reddox or Potulny?

  95. bookie says:

    If they trade Horcoff this blog will be renamed “Hitchcock this!” and we’ll follow the Blue Jackers ufn.

    Well, to be honest LT, after this season, i was starting to team shop. the last 17 years has been tough on me and there are a lot of Teams in the USA who could use a few good fans like me…

  96. Lowetide says:

    Coach: A really good question. Reddox is a guy they can run out there on the 4line and PB once in awhile when everyone is back healthy. Potulny looks for all the world like a player.

    Who is leaving town?

    Nilsson. Probably. And everyone will go crazy but possibly Smid.

  97. Rosco says:

    A Penner / Nilsson for Malone / Halpern trade would be great… we get some ACTUAL grit and the vet centre spot gets filled….

    Great blog btw LT….

  98. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: If they trade Smid but keep Staios, I’d puke.

    If I were GM, the first two guys out of town would be Staios and Moreau. But Lowe loves those guys and we’re probably going to watch the play out the last 2.5 seasons of their contracts as Oilers, as painful (and cap-crippling) as that might turn out to be.

  99. Coach pb9617 says:

    4. If they trade Horcoff this blog will be renamed “Hitchcock this!” and we’ll follow the Blue Jackers ufn.

    If they trade Horcoff after last night, I’m sending them a flaming bag of shit and I’m going to give in to my buddy’s prodding and just go full out Caps fan, not “other team I root for”.

    There will be blood.

  100. Traktor says:

    I have no problem with the value.

    What I have a problem with is if priority was to bring in value instead of bringing in something to help the team then the trade should have happened months ago.

  101. Schitzo says:

    Nilsson. Probably. And everyone will go crazy but possibly Smid.

    Man did I misread that. I was thinking everyone in the locker room must really love Nilsson, except Smid doesn’t like him.

    That made me sad :(

  102. Schitzo says:

    What I have a problem with is if priority was to bring in value instead of bringing in something to help the team then the trade should have happened months ago.

    Unless the “something to help the team” they were hoping for was Garon turning it around and proving he was legit?

  103. Sean says:

    Is this timing or is this management’s hand being forced by Reddox or Potulny?

    Or Brule? Is he officially waiver eligible? Its gonna get interesting around here when Nilsson, Hemsky and Pisani get healthy. I seriously hope for a trade with a partner in the SE.

  104. B.C.B. says:

    so LT, you think the next shoe to drop will involve Smid not Grebs? Doesn’t it make sense to keep Smid since both are RFAs and his contract will be more affordable? Either way I would agree the next shoe involves a defensive men and a younger smaller player (possible Nilsson), but for what?
    1) first line player (LW?)
    2) checking Center
    3) Defensiveman (shutdown)

    Unless it is 1 or 3 (on a long term contract) then I don’t think Smid should be a part of it.

  105. Sean says:

    If I were GM, the first two guys out of town would be Staios and Moreau.

    I tend to agree I wonder if SJ would have any interest in them.

  106. Traktor says:

    “Unless the “something to help the team” they were hoping for was Garon turning it around and proving he was legit?”

    Lets call a spade a spade.

    MacT couldn’t wait for Garon to slip so he could go back to Roli.

    Even when MacTavish officially called Garon the starter last year he went and played Roi 3 out of the next 4.

    Garon was basically a black man driving a Lexus in Texas and MacTavish was waiting for him to go 1 mile over the speed limit to pull him over.

  107. Scott says:

    I agree with Matt’s position that the trade is silly, though that’s mostly because I think they should have waived JDD coming out of camp. While Garon hasn’t been great, he was a nice insurance policy in case of injury to Roloson or poor play.

    That said, if one rates JDD, as the Oilers clearly do, then this trade makes good sense. JDD will get to play some games at the NHL level, the AHL team is improved, the club saves a few bucks (allthough I’m not sure of Sabourin’s contract is one-way or two-way), and there’s at least some chance one of the two longer term assets turns into something useful.

  108. B.C.B. says:

    Sean, Gregor said Burle has four more games till his waivers kick in (and the brass will send him down before that), and also the Sabourin will not report to the Oilers (either traded or waived before that).
    Every once and a while MSM can be useful.

  109. jon k says:

    I think this trade may have a lot to do with clearing cap space and the Springfield Falcons. As Jonathan Willis aptly talked about recently, the Falcons don’t appear happy with the Oilers’ efforts in providing them with a competitive team, and I could see both Stone and Sabourin being sent there as soon as the technicalities are worked out.

    I say this of course without having read all the previous comments, so away I go.

  110. Ducey says:

    Overlooked in all of this is Stone. He has more points than Schremp and appears to have a fair amount of grit. It appears he can even hit, a rarity on the Oilers.

    Maybe another Glencross?

  111. Coach pb9617 says:

    Who is leaving town?

    Nilsson. Probably. And everyone will go crazy but possibly Smid.

    I don’t mind Smid and Nilsson leaving town if it brings Jim Dowd or Jim Schoenfeld.

  112. Coach pb9617 says:

    Or Brule? Is he officially waiver eligible? Its gonna get interesting around here when Nilsson, Hemsky and Pisani get healthy. I seriously hope for a trade with a partner in the SE.

    He has a couple of games left, if Bruce’s count was correct. Brule still isn’t ready anyway. He’s obviously got loads of talent, but his game isn’t ready. Columbus hosed this kid something good. I think you need to considering him 18 or just turning 19 or something.

    The two guys that would have spurred this now are Reddox and Potulny. Both have shown that they can play the NHL game. Reddox, for everyone’s hatred of him on the first line, will play on this team for a very long time and take Fernie’s spot on the tough minutes RW when he grows up.

    Potulny doesn’t skate well, but the kid shoots and actually knows his own zone. He might be a good linemate for Hemsky, come to think of it :)

  113. Ducey says:

    Thought I would check on the Stone/ Glencross comparison. Stone is 3 years younger. Comparing them at the same ages:

    GlenX 6ft1 195lbs undrafted
    20 Alaska 23 pts 35G
    21 Alaska 37 pts 37G
    22 AHL 9 pts 51G 63 PIM
    23 AHL 25pts 41G 85 PIM

    Stone 6-2 207lbs 2nd round
    20 AHL 36pts 75G
    21 AHL 33pts 41G
    22 AHL 39pts 65G 129 PIM
    23 AHL (this yr) 28 pts 38G 53 PIM

    GlenX spent his age 24 season in the AHL (51 p in 60G) before graduating to the NHL.

    They seem fairly similar.

  114. B.C.B. says:

    Ducey: yes the seems similar, except Stone was a) playing in harder leagues at a young age, b) has more points and PIM in his 22year old AHL season (1st really comparable), c) should have more points and PIM this year, d) fights better, and e) is bigger.

  115. devin says:

    I agree with whoever said the plan now should be for Vokoun via trade, or (unlikely) Backstrom in FA. I don’t think Vokoun would yield much of a return for FLA given his cap number — just look at the Huet deal last year as an example of an elite goalie going for peanuts.

    PIT is in tough this year for a few reasons, but by no means because of cap mismanagement. They have plenty of cap space.

    But they made their money last year on the PP and they have been without Gonchar for the entire season. If you haven’t been paying attention the past 3 seasons he’s one of the top 5 all around D men in the league (seriously, he does it all, 30 hard mins/gm, elite PP talent, PK machine, etc). He’s a massive difference maker for them.

    They also have 9 NHL d-men when Gonch returns:

    Gonchar
    Orpik
    Whitney
    Scuderi
    Eaton
    Letang
    Gill
    Boucher
    Goligoski

    So from an assets perspective PIT has plenty to work with to bring in the winger depth they need for a run. With a healthy Gonch (not to mention Crosby, Fedotenko, and F/O specialist Zigomanis whom they miss) and a good trade or two they are looking really balanced again.

  116. Black Dog says:

    They got a pick and a prospect and cleared a roster spot for a guy who wasn’t in their plans who they can replace pretty easily if Roli falters. Seriously.

    Not a bad trade.

    Nilsson is next to go, maybe with one of the tweener forwards up now (Potulny, Brule, Pouliot), more likely with Smid or Schremp.

    Coming back – a vet or two – if Smid goes then someone for the blue, otherwise Bob Pulford

  117. quain says:

    Given that JDD, in a small sample size, and Sabourin, in near the same sample size as Garon, both provided superior SV% to Garon I’m not really sure how this is a negative trade.

    The only way you can look at this trade and say that Tambs made us worse going forward is if you believe that:

    a) Garon is slumping because he lost his confidence.
    b) Garon could regain his confidence this season.

    I think it’s more likely Garon was damaged goods (or just not very good) here and that JDD, Sabourin, or Garon would give us mostly equivalent, mediocre backup goaltending.

    And if Roloson falls off a cliff, we’re doomed no matter what.

  118. Traktor says:

    Moving Smid for a veteran defender would be like selling your 2008 Tacoma for 35k and buying a 2009 addition for 50k.

    In other words, it would be fucking stupid.

  119. B.C.B. says:

    “Moving Smid for a veteran defender would be like selling your 2008 Tacoma for 35k and buying a 2009 addition for 50k.

    In other words, it would be fucking stupid.”

    Man, it is a weird day when I agree with Traktor . . . can’t see him being moved without either two pieces coming back or the firstliner. So it is going to be a package deal.

  120. hunter1909 says:

    I’m just shaking my head over Lowe’s tacit admission that he is running a shit runner team for the past 8 seasons, assuming without any worries other than deciding which exclusive private schools to send his kids to.

  121. Traktor says:

    Dallas with another big win today.

    They sit in 11th place but at this point I’m willing to call them a lock to make the playoffs.

    I always though Tippet was one of the best in the biz but he really solidified himself after the cards dealt to him this year.

    I’d bet money that without DT Dallas would’ve finished in the lottery.

  122. PunjabiOil says:

    Dallas with another big win today.

    They sit in 11th place but at this point I’m willing to call them a lock to make the playoffs.

    Yet another shootout/OT win by Dallas. That sort of stuff isn’t sustainable in the long run. Keep in mind, it was only LA and at home.

  123. Chateau La Puck says:

    Wow, I hope they don’t deal Smid unless the return is really something. How old is he? 21? I think he has completely turned his game around, I love the fights. No points yet but he is developing an offensive instinct at the blueline and he skates the puck out of his own end when needed. This is still a potential Top 2 dman. What a terrible mistake it would be to give up on him.

    Unlike Garon, who plain and simple lost his job this year through poor play. Sorry for the guy, he could have hit the jackpot this year but lots of guys have that same opportunity, and most of them fail too.

  124. Schitzo says:

    Man there’s some thick people over at ON. “Trading Garon didn’t bring back anyone that can help the team right now!”

    No shit, that’s because he isn’t worth anything. Apaprently Tambo isn’t doing his job unless he works out Garon for Staal straight across.

  125. Coach pb9617 says:

    can’t see him being moved without either two pieces coming back or the firstliner. So it is going to be a package deal.

    If someone offers Jim Schoenfeld for Smid+, you make the deal without hesitation.

  126. Kris says:

    The fact that Lowe bascially guaranteed the playoffs the other day in his interview with Tencer was a big deal, I think. The playoffs are important given that a new arena needs to be built and the taxpayers will be asked to pony up. Katz needs the city to be excited for the next few years, which is, obviously, what the Hossa signing was all about. (Think about it, Tencer is a shill and I’m sure Lowe had prepared what he wanted to say. Why else would he guarantee the playoffs given that there is a very real chance we won’t make it?)

    But if I’m right and Lowe wasn;t just shooting from the hip, I think this means that brass intends to add a veteran or two, maybe a 3C or a new Staios. You don’t make a promise like this and then not try to back it up. At the very least management, needs to get the average tax paying fan excited about the possibility of the playoffs with a strong second half and some new players to place our hopes in. (“Lowe-skeptics” can interpret this as Lowellini doing something minimal so that the blame for any failures this season doesn’t fall on him, but on injuries or the schedule, etc.)

    But the roster was filled. Thus, the solution is to get rid of Garon for AHL help, open a spot as a propadeutic to bringing in a vet.

    That is, I really think Lowe was okay with holding on to Garon for injuries or to see if he could get his game together, but management needs to look like they’re doing something to keep the fans excited before the new arena gets paid for.

    Maybe this is all too obvious, but put me in the boat that expects more trades.

  127. Dennis says:

    My problem with this is two-fold:

    - Roli’s an old guy now and JDD is no umbrella to take into the wind as a spot-starter let alone take the reins full-on if the old guy gets hurt, so there’s no way the Oilers can pull this and pretend that they’re trying to make the playoffs.

    I know that on the surface spending to the cap looks for all the world like you intend to make the playoffs but that honestly can’t be said right now.

    - LT, among others, gives the club a break because, apparently, if you already fucked with the guy’s head then it’s just as well to deal him:) I know that’s not what they said but that’s how I read it.

    My point is what went wrong in the first place? Ty warned us that some of his numbers likely weren’t repeatable – and Scott and Riv reiterated that point here today – and maybe that’s part of what happened but then Gregor says he refused an extension so maybe he was getting the shitty end of the stick no matter what happened this year.

    Schitzo said he didn’t see the point of a guy who didn’t want to come back being able to build his resume with our playing time but my counterpoint is perhaps in the process we might actually – GASP – make the playoffs and then both sides win.

    Yes, if Labarbera fetches a 7th then it’s a good quanity deal in comparison to pick up three – I won’t say pieces;) – parts but it does leaves us thin for this season.

    Plus we still don’t know why things went sour in the first place.

    Regarding Stone, a QDL at nothing but his A numbers shows he was having a good second season and making some progress in ’07 but then he got hurt and basically hasn’t been able to recapture that. He’s had two good playoff runs but all anecdotal evidence points to him being an engergizing grinding type and yeah we could use that but will we ever see another Glencrossian impact?

    Doubtful.

    I guess what I want to know is why we wound up in this spot with Garon in the first place? And what does the brass see in JDD that leads them to leave themselves so thin just for the sake of an AHL goaltender, an AHL forward and a 4th?

    All together that looks fine for a guy with an .895 Sv PCT but Garon did have a couple of seasons in the .900′s and now we’re supposedly trying to make the playoffs with an old guy and a kid who isn’t Carey Price or Corey Schneider or Brian Elliot.

    It all doesn’t add up.

  128. Doogie2K says:

    Yet another shootout/OT win by Dallas. That sort of stuff isn’t sustainable in the long run.

    Actually, the Stars are only 4-4 in shootouts. The “2007-08 Oilers” award for most gratuitous point theft by shootout clearly goes to the Colorado Avalanche (7-1 in the SO, 15-22-8 by the 1983-99 standings), with the New York Rangers (8-2 in the SO, 19-17-10 by the 1983-99 standings) making a respectable silver-medal showing.

  129. PunjabiOil says:

    You don’t make a promise like this and then not try to back it up.

    When has Kevin learned?

    After declaring big promises in the summer of 2007 – faced with the realization things did not go smooth as planned, he ended up offering a 20M/4 year deal to Michael Nylander. What a blunder that would have been – although I’m not confident to say that the Penner deal was much better.

  130. Black Dog says:

    Traktor et all – I’d rather not deal Smid and I think its Nilsson and a tweener forward who go but I can see them moving him. I’d rather they hold onto him and move Staios, either now or this summer, but ….

    The only problem with this deal, other then the Oilers are the ones who put themselves into the situation, imo, is that if Roli goes down they’re pooched.

    I would guess that they bring someone in by March but who knows how these guys think?

  131. doritogrande says:

    “Man, it is a weird day when I agree with Traktor . . . can’t see him being moved without either two pieces coming back or the firstliner. So it is going to be a package deal.”

    I’ll agree with both of you. Unless I hear Smid, AHL top-6er and our first round pick for Kovalchuk, you don’t bother moving Smid.

  132. RiversQ says:

    Kris said…Maybe this is all too obvious, but put me in the boat that expects more trades.

    Agreed Kris, but what you’ve stated here should pretty much be the worst possible nightmare here.

    The last thing I would want is Lowe chasing the 8th playoff spot and throwing around useful pieces for the real window which is next year until Hemsky’s contract runs out.

    When they missed out on Hossa, this year was pretty much over. There’s no point jeopardizing the true window of opportunity right now, but I fear you may be right.

    Now turning Nilsson, Schremp, O’Marra or any one of a number of other “assets” that will never be all that useful into a player of not is just fine to me. But once they start messing with players that project to offer something 2010-2012, then I’d be worried.

    I don’t trust Lowe being anywhere near the keys to this franchise.

  133. Lowetide says:

    One thing I’ve been thinking about is that this gives the Oilers a chance to use Deslauriers down the stretch in a number of games. Now, the numbers say he’s less than capable but better to find out before the summer imo.

    As for Roloson going down that is certainly a possibility and the Garon safety net is no longer there, but you have to give a-b’s to kids at some point and this fellow is the guy they’ve chosen.

  134. Coach pb9617 says:

    (Think about it, Tencer is a shill

    hehe, his posts at HF are awesome. It’s like “Hey internets crows that aren’t at the team website! LOOK!”

  135. Kris says:

    Rivers,

    I absolutely agree with your point about it being time to build, not go for the playoffs.

    But I don’t think any GM who was working here, Tambo, Sather, Jesus, a platypus or anyone else would be able to not trade for some help now. Lowe’s hands are tied. Of course, any GM worth his salt would want to build for 10/11, but pressure to win now, or at least to try now, is high in Edmonton because of the arena, IMO. (This pressure explains most of Lowe’s moves since Katz bought the team, too, IMO)

    Anyway, I’ve got my beefs with Lowe and friends, but the average tax paying fan in Edmonton wants to win now, refuses to see that we really can rebuild now -unlike the pre cap era- and that’s creating a lot of problems for the org. (I think this has been a problem for years, BTW, but I won’t get into it for fear of sidetracking the discussion.)

    I’m starting to sound like a nut now.

  136. Coach pb9617 says:

    I absolutely agree with your point about it being time to build, not go for the playoffs.

    Eh – if they can move some non-essential pieces and some picks for Jim Dowd or Smid for Jim Schoenfeld, you do it.

  137. Dennis says:

    LT:

    1: I don’t know what they see in him

    2. You’re basically saying that we’re rebuilding again, right?

  138. doritogrande says:

    “All together that looks fine for a guy with an .895 Sv PCT but Garon did have a couple of seasons in the .900′s and now we’re supposedly trying to make the playoffs with an old guy and a kid who isn’t Carey Price or Corey Schneider or Brian Elliot.”

    Hasty reserach says Brian Elliott is nowhere near both these fellows, and should be compared to JDD instead of the aforementioned two. He’s had a single year as the Babysens starter and did okay, as okay as JDD did last year. Ottawa’s crasping at straws this year for goaltending. At least we’ve got Roli.

  139. Kris says:

    Has anyone realized that we can now acquire both Emery and Avery. (Rhymes with the old song ‘Ebony and Ivory, ironically.)

    We should pick them both up. We could do the NHL equivalent of those Large Hadron Collider experiments; what happens in really violent, high energy collisions?

  140. Matt says:

    2. You’re basically saying that we’re rebuilding again, right?

    Not ‘again’; ‘still’.

  141. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: I don’t know what is going on. To be honest, it seems to me that we can probably bring a lot of Garon-like experiences (Comrie, Smyth, etc) over the years together and possibly conclude that the Oilers want to win with specific players who fit their requirements.

    Which is, of course, crazy. I don’t think you can find 23 guys who don’t drink or party or chase skirt and salute Pete Peeters at sunup or sundown but they’re sure as hell trying.

    This entire scenario seems to have played out for reasons other than hockey. It’s like Moreau and his treating Pouliot like the red-headed stepchild.

    WTF? And yet we saw 18 pass up a perfectly good pass for a scoring chance because of the player involved. You can watch hockey for a decade and not see that.

    Seriously. There’s something going on.

    Having said that, the Oilers aren’t in rebuild imo. I said this in the spring of ’06 but this has all the markings of a final few months for the coach.

    He’s thrown everyone but Joey Moss under the bus, the veterans are getting favored and he’s sending away the dogfaced boys he didn’t like.

  142. MikeP says:

    “WTF? And yet we saw 18 pass up a perfectly good pass for a scoring chance because of the player involved. You can watch hockey for a decade and not see that.”

    LT, I didn’t see that – was it the Colorado game? Curse my lack of TSN!

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Why should The Oilers not allow MacTavish to finish out the remainder of his contract?

    I mean, based on past performance and all that.

  144. Lowetide says:

    MikeP: No it was a few games ago. Moreau was on the RW, half boards, maybe during the home stretch. The camera angle lined up perfectly and Pouliot had his stick ready for the one timer in the high slot but Moreau passed back to 18.

    Anyone remember this?

  145. Lowetide says:

    18 should have been 24.

  146. Coach pb9617 says:

    Wow. I’m watching the Caps – Bruins game and NESN is showing 10 and under tournament highlights.

  147. Coach pb9617 says:

    MikeP: No it was a few games ago. Moreau was on the RW, half boards, maybe during the home stretch. The camera angle lined up perfectly and Pouliot had his stick ready for the one timer in the high slot but Moreau passed back to 18.

    It’s two-pronged. First was the pass that he didn’t make and second was waving Pouliot out of the circle so he could look like a donkey when he lost the faceoff badly.

  148. Lowetide says:

    Coach: That’s exactly it. I forgot about the second one.

  149. bookie says:

    the club saves a few bucks (allthough I’m not sure of Sabourin’s contract is one-way or two-way)

    Even if its a one way contract, the player’s salary does not count against the cap if it paid in the NHL. I dont think Katz cares about the $$, just the cap $$.

    Am I correct about the cap rules here?

  150. Black Dog says:

    I’m shocked, shocked! by the rampant cynicism here.

    Pepole thought that apartheid would never end and yet Mandela became President of South Africa.

    People thought there would never be peace in Ulster and yet it is so.

    Nobody, nobody! thought Kate Winslet would win, not one, but two Golden Globe awards.

    I, for one, believe that a black man can become President of the USA, that there is such a thing as a painless vasectomy, that Rob Schremp will be a star in the NHL, that hockey will succeed in Phoenix, that Lowe and MacT know what they are doing and that Hbomb, Traktor, Vic and Doogie are going to dance in a meadow arm in arm, singing ‘Sweet Caroline’ while the rest of is, every one of us, dances a perfectly choreographed routine around them.

    Now excuse me. Ms Winslet is here with her Golden Globes. We’re having dinner and then we’re making love until the crack of crow’s piss.

  151. Lowetide says:

    Did you get the mushrooms right from Van City BD or did you fly out there? :-)

    I bet Alan Alda plays Kevin Lowe in the movie.

  152. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Everything rings true except the painless vasectomy Pat.

    Firing blanks is always painful on some level.

  153. Oilman says:

    I don’t think anyone’s upset with the trade, but rather, what it represents is on the horizon – major issues with goaltending.

    Let’s not make this into something it’s not. Garon was not playing like the goalie he was last season. He’s as much a career backup as Roli. A replacement at his level is easily attainable. Honestly, if you’re not upset with the return on this trade how can you think it represents major issues with the goaltending?

  154. Dennis says:

    Not sure if it was last night or the night before but there was another time when 18 took the draw after 13 was thrown out; all the while with a natural born pivot on the right wing in 78.

    Now I missed a split second previous so I’m not sure if Moreau pushed 78 aside this time but that’s Exactly what he did the first time we saw it. It was so shocking that I wondered if I imagined it. So, that happens and you wonder why it happened. I’m thinking he was told to do it – remember MacT had the guy taking draws before – but if that was the case, why did 78 jump in as soon as 13 was thrown out? Force of habit? We know that 18 jumped in again in the last two nights so I’m thinking Moreau is doing what he-fucking-well-pleases.

    You see some of the stuff that goes on and you wonder how far off Comrie was when he brought up Communism:)

    It’s hard to really be surprised anymore since Lowe stuck the knife in 94′s back on HNIC. You can believe he let the guy walk over 50K or you can just believe that it was because he couldn’t get his own way. Later on he gave Penner comparable money for something he MIGHT do down the road and he gave up draft picks in the process.

    The he said he had no idea the cap was going up or else he would’ve given in to 94′s demands.

    I just don’t know.

  155. Lord Bob says:

    Steve Tambellini obviously learned well on how to deal with goaltending from his time in pre-Luongo Vancouver.

  156. dubya says:

    Later on he gave Penner comparable money for something he MIGHT do down the road0

    Agree with the rest of your post, but $6.25M for 5 years is not really comparable to $4.25M for 5 years.

  157. Coach pb9617 says:

    Who does one pull for in a Wild vs. Ducks matchup?

  158. Lord Bob says:

    Asteroid strike.

  159. Doogie2K says:

    I dunno about your vision, there, BD. Hbomb just doesn’t strike me as a Neil Diamond man.

  160. Black Dog says:

    Kate says hi.

    LT – must be, I’m eating jelly beans and some of them taste like buttered popcorn! I swear its true.

    Fake McT – just trying mind over matter for two weeks hence; its not working though :(

    doogie – I Drink Alone? ;)

  161. Bruce says:

    I’m not sure if Moreau pushed 78 aside this time but that’s Exactly what he did the first time we saw it.

    Yeah, we all saw it and more than a few of us were shocked by it. It was just one of those little vignettes that sticks. Especially when put into this context (for those who missed the tail end of last night’s thread):

    Faceoffs 2008-09
    ——————
    Pouliot 64-71, 47.4%
    Moreau 3-17, 15%

    Fifteen per cent? That’s just flat out ridiculous.

    Not to mention that when it comes to taking faceoffs, between the two of them, Pouliot is the veteran.

  162. HBomb says:

    BDHS: I drink in two situations – alone or when with someone.

    D2K: I do like the Neil Diamond on occasion. They play “Sweet Caroline” during the 7th inning stretch at Fenway, so I plan on being well prepared to join in on the day I go there and fulfill my dream of seeing the Red Sox in person.

    As for Ducks vs. Wild….I’m going to cheer for meteor, terrorist stike, multiple knee-on-knee collisions, sniper targeting Corey Perry…something other than one of those teams winning.

  163. HBomb says:

    Ok, Phoenix vs. Calgary on HNIC late game. Meh.

    Let’s see what’s on Centre Ice tonight, shall we?

    San Jose hosting Detroit, in HD.

    Ahhhhh….that’s better. Beer me.

  164. Coach pb9617 says:

    LT, here ya go, on the idiotic move where he passes on the scoring chance with Pouliot to give it to good buddy Staios, Dennis mentions it here in the Islanders GDT, Hbomb notices 17 minutes later. Watching it on DVR, I saw it as well.

    A game later, I ‘notice’ Moreau respectfully asking Pouliot to leave the circle in the Canucks GDT

  165. Scott says:

    I realize that it’s in vogue to crap on the cap right now, but I distinctly recall Pouliot taking a couple draws after Cogs was thrown out the last few games. I haven’t noticed or checked, but given Pouliot is RH and Moreau LH, it might just depend on the side of the ice for who takes the draw. Now, that doesn’t make it a smart choice, but it does make it more likely that it’s a coaching choice and explains why Moreau may have pushed him out of the circle.

  166. HBomb says:

    Ok, next time Moreau overrules Pouliot, if you see it, make note of the hand of the opposing face-off participant.

    What’s the preference anyways? RH vs. RH and LH vs. LH? That’s what makes sense at first-pass….

  167. Coach pb9617 says:

    Ok, next time Moreau overrules Pouliot, if you see it, make note of the hand of the opposing face-off participant.

    Just watched it on DVR. It was an offensive zone faceoff to the right of the goalie.

  168. PunjabiOil says:

    Agree with the rest of your post, but $6.25M for 5 years is not really comparable to $4.25M for 5 years.

    No it isn’t.

    Nor would it have cost $6.25M to retain Smyth. The numbers we were hearing were $5.5M for 5.5 years, and an NTC.

    I would have made that deal, kept the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, and shed Moreau.

    Instead, Lowe felt it was imperative to sign Moreau and Staios well in advance, both with lucrative terms and salaries which they likely would not have received in the UFA market.

    If the Oilers have Smyth instead of Penner, this team is fighting for the division. It’s a wealth of mistakes that Lowe has made that have contributed towards preventing the Edmonton Oilers from progressing.

    It’s quite sad, actually.

  169. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    I’m waiting for the next event when MAP shows some stones and tells Moreau to fuck off.

    If he doesn’t, who needs him.

  170. HBomb says:

    Smyth, Glencross and Hejda plus three additional draft picks instead of Moreau, Penner and Staios?

    Life would be grand.

  171. PunjabiOil says:

    (Think about it, Tencer is a shill

    hehe, his posts at HF are awesome. It’s like “Hey internets crows that aren’t at the team website! LOOK!”

    Yup. The guy must reek insecurity issues.

    The most humorous moment was when he was blatantly advertising his upcoming interview with Patrick LaForge, and asked readers to submit their questions. When it came to the interview, he threw routine softballs, and got called out for not asking questions regarding the cap/payroll or team profitability. His defensive reasoning was that ”accountants hour is boring”

    He’s the epitome of an HF clown.

  172. dubya says:


    Yup. The guy must reek insecurity issues.

    The most humorous moment was when he was blatantly advertising his upcoming interview with Patrick LaForge, and asked readers to submit their questions. When it came to the interview, he threw routine softballs, and got called out for not asking questions regarding the cap/payroll or team profitability. His defensive reasoning was that ”accountants hour is boring”

    He’s the epitome of an HF clown

    Yeah, kinda like that time you made a post on HF and your blog about how there was no comparison between Souray and Visnovsky, with the latter being far superior and it’s not even close, all the while misinterpretting the stats. Then, when several people made valid arguments why Souray’s contributions have been equal or greater Visnovsky’s, you disappeared from the thread and deleted the post on your blog.

    Or the time you made a post about all Calgary teams always choking, then also deleted it.

    A) The term HF clown is stupid. What makes you so much better than a poster on HF?

    B) Tencer is not so much a clown as an employee of the Oilers. When you start firing grenades at your boss we’ll see how far you get “in the business world” (I assume your a recent business grad since you obviously know all)

  173. HBomb says:

    Some things never change, apparently….

  174. Bruce says:

    What’s the preference anyways? RH vs. RH and LH vs. LH? That’s what makes sense at first-pass….

    Nuh-uh, those platoons would be the same for both teams. If at all possible MacT wants the guy to take the draw on his backhand, towards the boards. So LH centremen on (our) left circle, RH on the right.

  175. HBomb says:

    Nuh-uh, those platoons would be the same for both teams. If at all possible MacT wants the guy to take the draw on his backhand, towards the boards. So LH centremen on (our) left circle, RH on the right.

    Thanks Bruce, I never quite understood that. Does this apply in all zones, or is it of particular importance in the defensive zone?

    Because I swear I’ve seen set plays in the o-zone where a team puts a player on the slot-side at the top of the circle for a one-timer off the draw, in which case it would make sense to have a lefty take the draw on the right side of the ice, and vice-versa….

  176. Traktor says:

    “If the Oilers have Smyth instead of Penner, this team is fighting for the division.”

    Yeah, and if the Oilers have Hejda instead of Souray, this team is fighting for the conference, right?

    Ryan Smyth is a mediocre top 6 talent certainly not the difference maker you claim him to be.

    “It’s quite sad, actually.”

    Is this like your signature or something? It’s at the bottom of almost all your posts.

  177. dubya says:

    No it isn’t.

    Nor would it have cost $6.25M to retain Smyth. The numbers we were hearing were $5.5M for 5.5 years, and an NTC.

    I would have made that deal, kept the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, and shed Moreau.

    Super. You should clearly be a GM.
    I mean, as long as those are the figure YOU were hearing they can’t be wrong. Clearly, Smyth would’ve signed and all would’ve been well, if not for that evil Kevin Lowe.

    Personally, I don’t think Smyth was signing for anything less than what he felt was market value. I also don’t think he’s worth it. Neither is Penner, but I’d rather have Penner plus Pisani for the same money as Smyth, or thereabouts.

    Anyway, all of that is moot. My point was that Smyth’s cap hit is 50% greater than Penners. That is what we know, the rest is conjecture.

  178. HBomb says:

    Here’s what I know….the Oilers allegedly offered Smyth 12 million over three years during the summer of 2006. He said no.

    Then, the season started and Smyth was having one of his best years, counting-numbers wise. The price kept going up and up and up….and before we knew it, it was Tuesday, February 27th, and we all know what happened then.

    What does it mean? Who knows. Could the Oilers have had Smyth under contract for 5 million per season over five years if they had actually offered it in summer 2006? I think they could have.

    Instead, they chose to give fat long-term deals to a declining 3rd line LW and 2nd pairing defensemen (Moreau and Staios). Right now, those contracts are looking like downright awful decisions.

  179. HBomb says:

    Also, we can debate Ryan Smyth’s “value” to a team all we want, but I think there’s a couple points everyone can agree on:

    1) Right now, straight up, he’s probably a better hockey player than Penner. 2 million per season better? Up for debate.

    2) What Smyth brings to the table is exactly what this team has been missing on many nights this season, no?

  180. Traktor says:

    “Right now, those contracts are looking like downright awful decisions.”

    Moreau’s contract is bad.

    Smyth’s contract is crippling.

  181. HBomb says:

    Traktor: I agree, Smyth at 6.25 million is not a good deal (welcome to the UFA market, where everyone in the top tier gets overpaid to some degree).

    However, Smyth at, say, 5 million, IF Lowe had been proactive and got him done in summer 2006? I don’t think that’s bad at all.

  182. PunjabiOil says:

    Ryan Smyth is a mediocre top 6 talent certainly not the difference maker you claim him to be.

    Brilliant argument.

  183. Traktor says:

    “What Smyth brings to the table is exactly what this team has been missing on many nights this season, no?”

    A talented player to play with Hemsky? We’d still be missing that.

    Smyth is another 60 point plumber.

    Holmstrom makes 2.25 million and he’s just as good.

  184. PunjabiOil says:

    Super. You should clearly be a GM.
    I mean, as long as those are the figure YOU were hearing they can’t be wrong. Clearly, Smyth would’ve signed and all would’ve been well, if not for that evil Kevin Lowe.

    Look cockblock, there were several documented articles during that time that put Smyth’s asking price at 5.5M. There is also substance to the fact the Oilers offered 5.4M, and Cal Nichols was quoted as saying, “100,000 isn’t that big of a difference when you factor in taxes in AB and NY”

    As HBomb said, the Oilers offered Smyth 3 years, 12M. They made Smyth fight for every last penny, while loosely opening the wallets for bottom 6 forwards and 3rd pairing defencemen.

    Of course Kevin Lowe is the same guy that didn’t want to meet Fernando Pisani’s 1.1M asking price back in January of 2006. Yeah, this guy really deserves the benefit of doubt.


    Neither is Penner, but I’d rather have Penner plus Pisani for the same money as Smyth, or thereabouts.

    Nice spin. Missing in your absurd paragraph are the 3 draft picks.

  185. Coach pb9617 says:

    Awesome.

    Mact lost the room is outdated. If we would have kept Garon, Smyth would have stayed.

  186. HBomb says:

    We can debate yes or no to Smyth all we want….but how he, Moreau and Staios were “handled” in summer 2006 was really the start of the post-playoffs body of work by Kevin Lowe.

    Overall, it’s not pretty.

  187. Coach pb9617 says:

    According to Gregor at ON, Garon turned down an extension from the Oilers in the summer:

    http://www.oilersnation.com/2009/01/report/

    Gregor’s grades are as ridiculous as Jones’ wish list was hideous.

  188. Coach pb9617 says:

    We can debate yes or no to Smyth all we want

    I, for one, have not read enough about the Smyth negotiations. Maybe LT could have a post about it so we can have a spirited discussion.

  189. HBomb says:

    Ok, if you are a Centre Ice subscriber and aren’t watching Detroit vs. San Jose right now….what the hell is wrong with you?

    3-3 in the second period. Back and forth game right now between the two best teams in the NHL (all due respect to Boston). I cannot wait for when these two squads meet in the conference finals come mid-May….

  190. HBomb says:

    Coach: personally, I prefer complaining about Moreau/Staios over Glencross/Hejda, since it’s more recent.

  191. Coach pb9617 says:

    HB: I still had the Ducks Wild channel on. I didn’t even realize the game had ended and the screen was black.

    :)

  192. Traktor says:

    Hbomb:

    It basically comes down to two different views.

    a. elite talent wins games

    b. depth wins games

    I think Smyth at 5 million ensures that we’d be an average team more than it ensures that we’d be a great team.

    There’s probably zero chance that he would outplay that contract and realistically at best he justifies it.

  193. Coach pb9617 says:

    Corey Perry was a beast tonight, eh?

  194. Kris says:

    Ah, man. You guys are talking about stupid Smyth now. I mean, the guy’s been gone a long time now, let him be.

    In fact, this makes me realize that maybe I can finally say it. I’m gonna say it. I hate Ryan Smyth. Yeah, I hate him, always have. I hate his hair. I hate his stupid mispelled name. Smith with a ‘y’?! What’s that all about?

    I hate that he stands there getting whacked by other players and never fights back. Never. I hate his weak-ass, grandma slapshot. I hate his weak ass ugly chin. I hate that he always has the same bewildered look on his face that my brother did when he was 5 before he peed his pants. I hate his tearful goodbye episode. (Dude, you’re not Mess or Gretz. We’re not crying with you. We don’t care. I was living in NY when that trade happened and my Islander fan friends kept asking me what was wrong with you.)

    I even hate that he says he’s from Banff. Nobody’s from Banff. Nobody.

    And I especially hate that he played here through all those years we sucked. His face means mediocre Oilers to me. Just does.

    But you know what I hate most of all about Ryan Smyth? I hate myself for hating him because he’s Mr. Goody Two Shoes, and Mr. Captain Canada, and Mr. Work Ethic and Mr. Last Guy on The Ice. Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

    And for all of you who think I’m a heretic, ask yourselves this: ‘If you had a friend who was the friendship equivalent of Smyth as a hockey player -i.e. too nice, but boring, who girls would say nice things about in comparison to you even though he gets no dates- you’d hate him too. You would, admit it.’

    Please forgive me, but I had to say it. I feel better now.

  195. Coach pb9617 says:

    Whoa. Nashville gives up six even strength goals and a short-handed goal and scores one even strength goal. Somehow, Shea Weber ends the night a +1.

  196. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: personally, I prefer complaining about Moreau/Staios over Glencross/Hejda, since it’s more recent.

    Let’s see:

    AsiaOil complains about Mac and Garon. Check.

    Punjabioil complains about Smyth and Lowe. Check.

    Trolls complain about big ben and parliament. Check.

    Lowetide tries to trade Smid. Check.

    Okay, the way I’m seeing it is all we need is someone to claim Horcoff is an AHL center, Schremp will save us from an asteroid strike and break all records in the NHL, and that guy to run in and complain about Lowe and Glencross. We get those and we won’t have to make the “Edmonton Oilers, post lockout years” program.

  197. Ol' Jase says:

    Since no one can seem to decide if it’s Lowe or Tambellini calling the shots, I’ve made up my mind to acknowledge Lyle Kulchisky as the man behind all of this.

    We gain a much needed roster spot, and there is nothing wrong with improving the Falcons. Nice job, Sparky.

  198. Coach pb9617 says:

    Please forgive me, but I had to say it. I feel better now.

    You forgot that you hate his skating style where he’s leaning on his ankles like a little kid.

  199. Traktor says:

    “Trolls complain about big ben and parliament. Check.”

    You had to go and do it didn’t ya?

    Fine.

    The “1st line center” that you so-commonly refer to Shawn Horcoff as has the same amount of Even Strength points as Matt Cooke!

    That’s right! Matt Cooke!

  200. Traktor says:

    I know Hbomb hates Matt Cooke so when you have a chance to hit 2 birds with 1 stone you take it!

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