Stone Alone

Redline Report ranked Ryan Stone as the 29th best amateur in the world among 2003 draft eligibles. The Hockey News had him 32nd (a direct hit) and Central Scouting had him #12 NA skater which would project late first round.

If he had a “range of expectation” for his draft number it would have been 27-35. He landed in the range, which usually means he doesn’t have any kind of warts that scouts identified; warts might be a weird wide-body skating style, a history of concussion, a sense of entitlement or possibly a Dad wound too tight.

Stone did have an injury file on his draft day. He was injured in Brandon during his draft year and although he attended the TC for Canada’s U18 team he suffered a concussion in the intra-squad game and never made the trip to Russia.

Otherwise, he looked pretty normal. 6.01, 200 and HN said “Ryan Stone is as tough as they come and a player you don’t want to annoy, unless you like a serving of leather lunch in the form of a glove in the face.”

Said a scout: “He’s a tough cookie, skating is an issue. I’d like to see him get his goal production up.” I find the part about goal production kind of funny because as much as the “saw him good” crowd like to rip the math people no math person I know would make a statement like the one this scout made about goal production. Why? Because it’s pretty damn obvious why he didn’t score more goals (he popped 14 in 54 games) and it has to do with ability.

His goal and point production improved at a normal pace during his 18 and 19-year old seasons in junior and he had a nice playoff run spring 2005 (24gp, 4-23-27). He turned pro the same season as Pouliot and Jacques, so I thought it might be a good idea to place their 20-year old numbers beside each other to see if there was a match:

  • Pouliot 65gp, 15-30-45 .692
  • Jacques 65gp, 24-20-44 .677
  • Stone 75gp, 14-22-36 .480

Stone’s club was the better scoring team so the only real reason for a gap like that would have to be his role on the Penguins. Let’s try these 3 at 21-years old:

  • Pouliot 33gp, 14-17-31 .939
  • Jacques 29gp, 10-17-27 .931
  • Stone 41gp, 7-26-33 .805

We’re dealing with injuries, callups and missed games here but the trend appears to be continuing in year 2. It should be mentioned these guys were on the same club (SWB Penguins) this season (06-07). Since we’re almost through the exercise let’s post their 22-year old AHL seasons and see if the trend continues:

  • Pouliot 55gp, 21-26-47 .855
  • Jacques 38gp, 11-14-25 .657
  • Stone 65gp, 11-28-39 .600

Once again, same team for all 3. I’d say this is pretty much a trend by now. To be fair, their skill sets are different and Stone is a guy whose toughness and apparent willingness to drop his gloves puts him in a slightly different category (certainly from Pouliot, anyway). Still, it looks like Stone is shy offensively for the scoring lines which means we’re looking at a role player who will need some breaks to have an NHL career.

NHL teams have them by the bushel. We’ll see how it goes.

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12 Responses to "Stone Alone"

  1. Coach pb9617 says:

    Stone is a guy whose toughness and apparent willingness to drop his gloves puts him in a slightly different category (certainly from Pouliot, anyway).

    Not Schremp though.

    He’s beloved by a bunch of Pens fans for his pestiness and ability to fight. He’s hailed as a giant disappointment by the rest. He can’t skate though – he moves like Schremp.

    Topics to threadjack:

    -I’ve not read a single question about rushing Hemsky back in the local papers. I have however read some ridiculous lines. Things like

    “Hemsky took a couple of solid hits and, as everyone in the place held their breath, got right up and felt none the worse for wear.
    “I took a couple of shots and the head reacted pretty well, so I’m happy about that,” he said.
    “Hopefully it’ll react pretty well (Monday).”"

    Eeeesh. This just reeks of rushing it.

    “That’s what great players do, his game doesn’t need all the maintenance, he’s just a really gifted player. A couple of great goals. The fifth goal was a huge goal. We all know how frenetic that gets with the goalie out. It was huge.”

    And apparently, you don’t care that four days ago, the dude was in vertigo after a skate.

    -Per Mirtle, Edmonton is once again in the top 10 for most man gams missed. Mandelbaums kills hockey teams.

    -Gagner is 6W 17L on the dot in the defensive zone over the last 10, and 38W 34L everywhere else.

    -Over the last ten games, Kyle Brodziak is winning 55% of his faceoffs. IN THE DEFENSIVE ZONE. 38W 31L. Brodziak is far outpacing Horcoff (38W 48L, 44% in the last 10), and may be settling into his role as Jim Dowd yet. He’s 71W 53L overall in the last ten.

  2. Coach pb9617 says:

    One more quick hit on Stone — fans have always danced around a drinking problem, but he’s been elected an “A”, so his teammates have some belief in him.

  3. Black Dog says:

    Fourth line banger, yeah? Unlike JFJ though he’ll relish the role as his chance to stick.

    Yeah but just tenth, right coach? And other then Pisani who has been out very long? Hemsky, now Nilsson, Grebs, Smid – all head shots.

    No groin pulls or any other stuff that points to overtraining.

  4. Coach pb9617 says:

    No groin pulls or any other stuff that points to overtraining.

    I was just having fun with last year’s meme. Sorry.

  5. Black Dog says:

    I thought it might be so but my sarcasm meter is in the shop.

    I guarantee you though that more then one person saw that list and thought “Moreaus!”

  6. godot10 says:

    //-Per Mirtle, Edmonton is once again in the top 10 for most man gams missed. Mandelbaums kills hockey teams.//

    Yep… obviously the Mandelbaums fault.

    1) SMac’s broken face.
    2) Stortini’s body slam
    3) Pisani being tripped into the endboards.
    4) Concussions to Hemsky, Pouliot, and Nilsson.

  7. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    /-Per Mirtle, Edmonton is once again in the top 10 for most man gams missed. Mandelbaums kills hockey teams.//

    Yep… obviously the Mandelbaums fault.

    1) SMac’s broken face.
    2) Stortini’s body slam
    3) Pisani being tripped into the endboards.
    4) Concussions to Hemsky, Pouliot, and Nilsson.

    JFJ.

  8. Lord Bob says:

    Chad Moreau would have prevented Hemsky’s concussion if MacTavish hadn’t lost the room.

    (Let’s see how many of these we can string together!)

  9. quain says:

    If Chad Moreau hadn’t lost the room Ales Hemsky could’ve reproduced by mitosis, mastered face-offs, and solved our third line center problem.

  10. Dennis says:

    Nice work, LT.

    I still don’t like the Garon move because we didn’t get back a whole lot – which is what your post points toward – and we moved netminding depth which is important when your netminder is as old as our’s is and when the remaining back-up’s a guy who really doesn’t project to be any hell.

    BTW, I saw JFJ hanging out in the lockroom last night and someone in that org likes him and I’d say he’s in the lineup as soon as he finishes his conditioning stint in SF. That’s a ways off but he’s got fans among the brass.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    JFJ is the new Todd Isbister.

  12. Doogie2K says:

    Shawn Horcoff would be a real #1 centre if not for Chad Moreau and Pete Peeters.

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