Blue Jackets at Oilers, G61/08-09

This is Geoff Sanderson as a Swift Current Bronco. He was an original Blue Jacket at the turn of the century and had a nice NHL career as a scorer. The Oilers could use a scorer but have been unable to add one in time for tonight’s game.

Tonight’s huge game.

The Blue Jackets and the Oilers are in a life and death struggle for the playoffs. A win tonight for the Oilers (in regulation) will put them safely inside the top 8 in the western conference, and a regulation loss means Saturday’s game against the Wild would be vital.

These games are huge because of the deadline, the closeness of the standings in the west and the jobs that are on the line in our town.

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  1. oilerdago says:

    Dennis,

    Interesting stuff. I've commented before that I don't think the coach has a team that he likes or is capable of coaching. They talk about playing a "skilled/puck possesson" game and these guys either can't play it or MacT can't coach it.

    He wants to play dump & chase, grind it out because that's what he's used to.

    And I think this philosophical divide is hurting the team now and is going to hurt the team this summer if there are not some changes.

    My guess is that the Oilers will lose a 2-0 game Saturday and that management will stick it's head in the sand. Again. Maybe they make a trade before Tuesday, maybe not. But I don't see it making enough of a difference because they're not going to get a difference maker at the deadline who'll change the discouse in the locker room.

    Sad to say.

  2. danny says:

    Back in the day, after losses like these due to efforts like that, you would hear about closed door meetings. You would hear about Slats making a dressing room visit. You would hear the raid sirens echoing from their ears.

    We wouldn’t hear about how good of a job Hitchcock did.

  3. Traktor says:

    St George:

    I’m not surprised. I feel vindicated.

    Would anyone go the extra mile for a company that displayed such an obvious and even uncomfortable set of double standards?

    It’s no wonder this team doesn’t battle for each other. I bet any player with talent fucking hates Moreau. MacT’s got him out there taking defensive zone draws and bringing out oxygen tanks so he has enough air for the final shift when we need a goal.

  4. Coach pb9617 says:

    Penner (Corsi +3) was nailed to the bench for the last 5:40. Meanwhile Ethan Moreau (Corsi -13) was given two shifts in the last two and a half minutes. Pisani (Corsi -9) and his rust played 1:42 of the last 2:44.

    What the fuck kind of bullshit coaching is that? I’m sorry, but that is just brain dead. Penner was our best forward tonight; Oilers outshot CBJ 9-6 at evens with Dustin on the ice.

    I’m shocked that you are disgusted. The coach hates one of his most useful parts, like a dude that volunteers for castration.

    I’m going to root for whatever team Tambellini sends Penner to at the deadline and I’m going to root for the coach to get Ted Nolaned.

  5. Dennis says:

    You Should get rid of 18 and 24 just because these guys can simply no longer cover their bets. And, fuck, it kills me to say it but perhaps you can throw 34 in there as well.

    but it’s a lot easier to move 18 when he pulls the same shit all the time.

    What kind of a leader is that?

  6. Traktor says:

    “What kind of a leader is that?”

    The coaches pick.

  7. Traktor says:

    I’ve got MacTavish at around 30 self-inflicted wounds this year.

  8. Coach pb9617 says:

    I didn’t think Penner was great tonight (despite what the numbers may say),

    He rarely is great, because he keys off of others. However, he’s good enough, and on this team, good enough is great. He’s one of three Oilers that makes the ice floe the right way and that’s good enough.

  9. Coach pb9617 says:

    Now, a big problem right now is 10′s line has gone cold and it’s not just bad luck. I’ve logged enough to know you don’t score unless you’re creating chances and right now the top dogs aren’t getting it done.

    And top dogs can’t slump when there is no second or third line. A team can’t win with a first and fourth line and a melange of plasma on the second and third lines. It’s Tambellini’s fault for the unbalanced roster again as much as it lies on the coach for doing nothing to fix the problem with what he has.

  10. DBO says:

    it’s one thing to lose by one in a close game, where you fought hard, made plays and the other goalie stood on his head. We should have lost by 4 or 5 tonight. It is painful to watch this team. I don’t care what anyone says, this team has quit on MacT. I have been pretty vocal about wanting a coaching change for the last few years, and the inconsistent effort, poor line combo’s, odd in game decisions and junior high favoritism is killing me. Look what happened in Springfield with a coaching change. sometimes you need a new voice in the room. 8 seasons is too many for a coach who has only had one real run, and that year the stars aligned. If you’re a young player on this team not named gagner, how you can even try hard at this point since you won’t be recognised by the coach with even a “good game”. macT’s blinders when it comes to his vets is so painful, and is sinking this team. For whatever reason the rest of the league loves Moreau and Staios. Move them for something, deal Rollie to Detroit, Cole anywhere, and change the leaders in the dressing room to Souray and Horcoff. make a decision on Cogliano and Gagner (one has to be a winger or get moved) and move this team in a new direction. We’re not talented enough to play like Detroit, and not gitty enough to play like even Columbus. Management has to make up it’s mind on what kind of team they want.

  11. gary b says:

    “paging Mr. Lowe. Paging Mr. Tambellini…”

    seriously, how many bed-shitting home efforts like this does it take before the guys in charge take notice and make changes?

    Roli battled in there and kept the team in it, gave them a chance to win a game they had no business winning. you can’t hang the loss on the defense, either – they got almost zero help from the forwards tonight. it’s like a football team where the offence is always 3-and-out. Peckham looked good, Souray was his usual nasty self, Staios, Strudwick and Smid were sacrifing themselves and trying to make stuff happen. but the skaters up front… yikes.

    this is a not-very-good team with a handful of good players. woefully inconsistent – how do you get beaten down on home ice like this in the biggest game of the season?

    time for a change. we all see it, ’bout time it was addressed.

  12. Coach pb9617 says:

    make a decision on Cogliano and Gagner (one has to be a winger

    Cogliano has already made that choice for the team, they’re just too stubborn to move Moreau to accommodate Cogliano.

  13. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    The great thing about a game like this is we have a #1 centre who can take control of a must win game and get it done.

    Or have I lost the room?

  14. Traktor says:

    Can you imagine the outrage if Pat Quinn put out Della Rovere, and Di Domineco in the final minute against the Russians while Tavares and Eberle sat on the bench because they hadn’t scored a goal up to that point?

    Does Moreau really give us the best chance to score a goal in the final minute? Does Pisani who hasn’t played a game in months?

    Not going with 83 when we need a goal is like not closing with Rivera in the 9th.

  15. grease trap says:

    That run last year, I think that’s when MacT handed the reigns over to Daum for the remainder of the season. It was a different team than we saw the months previous or after. Now Daum’s in Springfield and the team turns around and starts playing good hockey.

    I’ve mentioned Daum a few times this season, and for me the answer is to bump MacT up the food chain and have Daum – someone who actually appreciates skill – come in as the new head coach. Send Bucky back down and begin a whole new culture of achievement and enthusiasm.

    I was shocked when he left the organization last summer and I’m pretty stoked by his return. I wonder if Katz has the vision and the balls to pull the trigger on that one or is he too blinded by finally being one of the boys from the glory years?

    Somehow I imagine he has a better head on his shoulders than that, but maybe he’s just more patient than the average hockey fan?

    Anyway, I like MacT but it’s obvious he’s hating life. He looks disinterested, haggard, and his wit has turned sour and waspish. Not the signs of someone who can spark positive change.

  16. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    grease trap said…

    Anyway, I like MacT but it’s obvious he’s hating life. He looks disinterested, haggard, and his wit has turned sour and waspish. Not the signs of someone who can spark positive change.

    He reminds me of an 83 year old priest teaching a marriage preparation course.

  17. Fake Craig McTavish says:

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    Was that you PDO?

  18. Coach pb9617 says:

    Not going with 83 when we need a goal is like not closing with Rivera in the 9th.

    It’s more like sending Rivera out to hit in the ninth.

  19. PDO says:

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    Was that you PDO?

    Nope.

    Just got here, and just for a second.

    Was out, drunk, had fun with a girl after the game…

    All I have to say, is that I hate Moreau.

    Night folks.

  20. namflashback says:

    well, i t was a perfect game plan on the part of Hitchcock.

    Knew the Oilers weaknesses (need time and space to be a puck mover ™, pushed the Oilers D back, teased the forwards up, and then choked the passing lanes.

    And he has all his skilled and non-skilled players playing the system well. And they are big and nasty group. That is a team that could be formidable in the post season.

    There is just no system to the Oilers system. That is on the coach.

  21. hunter1909 says:

    Pisani = the mother figure of this pathetic team

  22. Lowetide says:

    The fact is that the team playing Edmonton last night was a MacTavish team and this one came about because of a lust for offense.

    Which is great, except that people aren’t developing. THAT’s what will get the coach fired.

  23. hunter1909 says:

    LT – Could not agree more.

    Whatever happened to Gagner?

    MacTavish is a tool. He is supposed to be a great coach, but has never actually produced palpable results, no matter how much Traktor has defended him.

    Lowe also. Another tool. Selling snake oil to a more and more(Traktor excepted lmao) disillusioned fanbase.

    It makes me want to puke.

  24. Alice says:

    /A team can’t win with a first and fourth line and a melange of plasma on the second and third lines. It’s Tambellini’s fault for the unbalanced roster/

    Coach, it’s obvious now that the 2nd and 3rd are a black hole, but to hang that on Tambellini is hindsight – if you look at a 2L of Nils-Gagner-Cole last summer, that’s not something any of us would have called a weakness going in. The lack of progress and results has to fall to MacT on this one, imo. Yeah, he didn’t get his Reasoner. Cogs can’t take a faceoff so one of Poo/Brodz has to become Reasoner and you move on. Instead he gave us a circus.

    So yes, the 2L sucks. And badly too, no excuses. But it’s not like Tambo should have expected that from the roster he assembled there in 12-89-26. The expectation here was pretty high on that combo looking forward from last Aug perspective.

  25. Clarkenstein says:

    I know I’m dreaming in technicolor but if ever a team was ripe for a coaching change this late in the season it is this one. A new look and a fresh face has gotten many teams over the hump late in the season. Give somebody like Brian Sutter a call for a couple months or maybe bring Daum in… anybody for crissakes!! We’re not 10 points out this late in the season like we usually are so all is not lost although it looks like it on many nights. Just what exactly does KLowe even do anymore?

  26. Black Dog says:

    With few exceptions nobody on the team is having a better year then last year.

    And the kids are running in place or taking a step backwards.

    The team mails in efforts frequently.

    Decisionmaking is suspect. Did macT actually think that Moreau, Pisani and Gagner (plus Smid on the blue) gave this team the best chance to equalize in the dying moments last night? Was he trying to send a message? If so, why, when the game could have still been stolen?

    And why does Moreau escape any sort of censure from the coach?

  27. bookie says:

    I don’t think its the team makeup that makes a team so useless on 5 on 3′s. I dont think its the team makeup that saps the heart and soul from the club.

    I think that there must be some level of frustration on Lowe’s part because the team that he put together is not being played (Penner sitting). Instead, MacT has decided to only play the players that he has fought to keep.

    Watching the trades over the past few years and the decisions made by the coach this year, there is clearly a struggle between two visions. I cannot imagine Lowe accepting the quashing of his vision much longer.

    I am not saying that Lowe’s vision is correct, but I am confident that it is different.

    I predict that they make some kind of trade and let the team struggle it out down the stretch.

    An unlikley possibility is that a trade does not come along and Lowe steps behind the bench with Daum coming up next year.

  28. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach, it’s obvious now that the 2nd and 3rd are a black hole, but to hang that on Tambellini is hindsight – if you look at a 2L of Nils-Gagner-Cole last summer, that’s not something any of us would have called a weakness going in. The lack of progress and results has to fall to MacT on this one, imo. Yeah, he didn’t get his Reasoner. Cogs can’t take a faceoff so one of Poo/Brodz has to become Reasoner and you move on. Instead he gave us a circus.

    So yes, the 2L sucks. And badly too, no excuses. But it’s not like Tambo should have expected that from the roster he assembled there in 12-89-26. The expectation here was pretty high on that combo looking forward from last Aug perspective.

    Tamberiffic came into the season with no 3C, 1 LW capable of scoring, and 3 goalies on the roster. That’s a problem.

    Instead of fixing it, or you know, working with (read telling) the coach how to freaking fix it, they diddled each other while Rome burned.

    Everyone and their mother has understood that the forward set with the best chance to win (without a trade!):

    Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Cogliano-Brodziak-Pisani
    Nilsson-Gagner-Cole
    Moreau-Pouliot-Stortini

    where the Gagner line is completely sheltered and given the ability to mash softies. This lineup hasn’t been iced. Cogliano can’t win a faceoff, so he can’t come out of his own zone. Gagner and Cole are getting tougher matchups than Gagner and Nilsson are ready for and Horcoff and Brodziak are being asked to do some ridiculous work to compensate for this mess. The coach has somehow managed to blame this whole thing on Penner and Nilsson which is mind-boggling, but it’s his chosen course.

    No matter what LT says, prepping Gagner for the real world by giving him tough minutes at 19 is dumb. It’s not a positive for development or the team. Allowing Cogliano to win 28% of his faceoffs in January is not a positive, it’s dumb. There have been no real positives to come out of this season except maybe Brodziak.

    All the coach and the GM have done this year is prove that Horcoff is indeed pretty damned amazing. Good work fellas, thanks for proving what we already knew.

  29. Coach pb9617 says:

    Also, I know that MC is saying that a coaching change won’t matter, but he’s also said that it’s an average squad, so his conclusion already matches his premise.

    A different coach from the beginning of the season or at any point in the season would have mattered, arguing against this is silly. The list of poor decisions made by the coach thus far have been hashed and rehashed, but to say that a coach that would have gone against that line of decisions would have no affect means that any coach anywhere doesn’t matter.

  30. mc79hockey says:

    A different coach from the beginning of the season or at any point in the season would have mattered, arguing against this is silly. The list of poor decisions made by the coach thus far have been hashed and rehashed…

    You’re not factoring in the silly decisions that the new coach would have made. The hardest thing about competing against an abstraction, as MacT has had to do for much of this year, is that everyone can project their own biases as to what’s right onto said abstraction.

    Maybe the new coach figures that Roli’s a dbag and Garon just needs to work it out. Maybe a million things. The fact of the matter is that depriving Penner/Cogs of a couple of shifts last night probably didn’t cost the team the game, as aggravating as it was.

    …but to say that a coach that would have gone against that line of decisions would have no affect means that any coach anywhere doesn’t matter.

    Nah. It’s to say that, by and large, coaches are going to use a roster in roughly the same fashion. And that the decisions that irk us so much, like running Moreau/Pisani out in the last minute are pretty small in the grand scheme of a season and that we don’t know what sort of bad decisions the new guy would make.

    The great unknown is whether the Oilers would be so inspired by a new coach that they’d come out and play dominant hockey, running around and leaving devastated opponents in their wake. I tend to think not but then I don’t believe that coaches are worth 10-20 points in the standings. The guys who’ve been Oilers the longest don’t seem to have tuned out the coach; I’m not so sure that the new fellows have tuned him out so much as they’re not yet able to dominate games.

  31. DBO says:

    the boys on team 1260 keep tallking about gettng briere from Philly. They mentioned horcoff the other way, but with the cap issues in philly would we deal Cogliano for briere. Philly is desperate to dump salary, are against the cap next year with only 18 players and might consider a move like this to get a young, cheap, good player for briere. Briere is injury prone, but brings a goal scoring skill set we haven’t had in years to pair with hemksy. You can then move Horcoff to the tough minutes line, and shelter Gagner with crazy soft minutes. With this being a salary dump, you might even get a guy like Upshall. he brings good energy, can score and can play tough miniutes.

    Penner – Briere – Hemsky
    Pisani – Horcoff – Cole
    Nilsson – Gagner – Upshall
    Moreau – Brodziak – Stortini

    yeah briere is injury prone, and has an albatross contract. but if we are honest, we’re not getting a top flight UFA up front, and this move allows us to shift horcoff to a role where he will excel. Not sure if i like it, but once again, this brings us more balance, better scoring and gives us our best shot at the playoffs this year (which seems to be important to the organization right now).

  32. Traktor says:

    “MacTavish is a tool. He is supposed to be a great coach, but has never actually produced palpable results, no matter how much Traktor has defended him.”

    I definitely had you pegged right. This might be the most far-fetched comment ever posted on this site.

    Not surprising that you don’t have a fucking clue though.

    The only thing dumber is the notion that a new coach wouldn’t change team dynamic.

  33. CrazyCoach says:

    /The fact of the matter is that depriving Penner/Cogs of a couple of shifts last night probably didn’t cost the team the game, as aggravating as it was./

    Maybe not, but having Moreau and PIsani on the ice in the last minute didn’t get a point either.
    /The great unknown is whether the Oilers would be so inspired by a new coach that they’d come out and play dominant hockey, running around and leaving devastated opponents in their wake. I tend to think not but then I don’t believe that coaches are worth 10-20 points in the standings./

    I’m pretty sure every Oilers fan would be happy if they were worth at least 2 points from last night. Coaches do not play the game that much is true, but when I see guys like Dennis come up with absolutely wonderful stats and comparisons, you would think MacT could at least notice some trends that happen during the game and adjust. But no, we get Moreau out there, the most inept hockey player this team has ever seen. I still can’t believe how endeared this guy is to MacT and some Oil faithful. I simply can’t.

  34. Alice says:

    Coach,
    Yes, that’s exactly the point – management didn’t give him his 3C, but the other holes that developed were/are mostly of MacT’s making. He made very poor use of the assets, which is why I think putting it on Tambo for the unbalanced roster is a bit wide of the mark. MacT has some responsibility to ‘balance’ what he’s got, and he’s not only failed to do that, he seems to have gone to some lengths to scuttle his own ship. Last night he’s begging to be fired – how can we read that any other way? Tambellini should save everyone some heartache and do it sooner than later. Who knows, it might look[play] like a different roster.

  35. mc79hockey says:

    Maybe not, but having Moreau and PIsani on the ice in the last minute didn’t get a point either.

    What do you think that the odds of scoring a goal in a given minute with the goalie out are? The average 5v4 has about a 10.8% chance of a goal in any given minute. I would expect a 6v5 to be worse. Columbus is a better than average defensive team. The expectation was zero points and zero points was what they got. Would playing the cards differently have bumped the odds? I think it would have but it’s not quite the bump that people here seem to think it would be.

    I’m pretty sure every Oilers fan would be happy if they were worth at least 2 points from last night.

    I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean.

  36. DBO says:

    Alice: and i guess everyone. based on performance, trends, stats, etc. what should our lineup look like? What changes would the LT crowd make.

    Penner – Horc – Hemsky
    Pisani – Brodziak – Cole
    Nilsson – Cogliano – Gagner
    Stortini – Pouliot – Moreau

    i would be happy with this lineup going forward. 3 centers that can win a faceoff. 2 lines that can handle tough minutes. A 4th line with energy. And a soft line with the kids where they can just play and not worry so much.

  37. Lowetide says:

    A couple of things: I think MacT is running Gagner out there against a little tougher group because he likes the option. I think that reflects well on Gagner that he can handle it at this point. Dumb would be playing Staios on the PP all season long with better options.

    As for the last minute last night, I think the 1line was spent iirc, and as Tyler suggests we’re talking about the hockey equivalent of a pinch hit at-bat.

  38. DBO says:

    And fyi, looks like Metropolit claimed by Montreal and vaananen claimed by Vancouver (according to Eklund, so take with a huge grain of salt. Usually waiver claims are true, but who knows)

  39. quain says:

    I could care less who was out on the ice in the last minute, the real abortion was who was on the ice the minute before that couldn’t get a shot or even gain the zone. I’d have to guess MacT’s plan was play the top line starting at two minutes left, get a shot/stoppage of play, call time-out and keep them there.

    Instead, they bumbled around and changed.

    The real question I’d like to see asked of MacT is if he thought that outlet passes from the blue line and having Hemsky constantly carry into the zone was a good plan or if nobody was listening to him to just dump the damn puck in.

  40. Unleaded says:

    Coach, I think that we could all agree now that this would have been the best lineup doing forward based on what has happened. It’s not a line up that anyone here would have accepted as reasonable going into game one, game five, or game ten. The fact that we think it might be better now is based solely on hindsight.

    We all bought into Gagner as a scorer, inspite of his underlying numbers. Much of his success really started when Horcoff went down. Was his run with the kids before that just a streak? He was given the softs last year too and excelled. No team in the NHL will give him, Cole and Nilsson softs this year. It’s too easy to run them off the puck and render their skill game ineffective.

    I’d love to say that Brodziak would be the answer, but I spent a lot of time this week looking at his underlying numbers this year. They aren’t any better. Now, I’ll be the first to suggest a lot of that has to do with his linemates. He also struggled without Glencross, who was the key to our fourth killing the opposition last year. But because its obvious that GlenX was the key, how much credit does Kyle deserve? How much of that was him? Until we see him with actual players (I don’t think Moreau, Stortini, or Pisani count) I don’t think we’ll get a fair read on the kid.

    Now, a big problem right now is 10′s line has gone cold and it’s not just bad luck. I’ve logged enough to know you don’t score unless you’re creating chances and right now the top dogs aren’t getting it done. And then we know they aren’t getting enough help from 89′s line and that 13′s isn’t any great shakes either.

    So, what’s the problem?

    The problem is that Horcoff his out of gas. He’s been overplayed, and he doesn’t have the endurance to take 70 faceoffs a game, play for 20+ mins a game and not get any time off from the tough minutes. He’s been expected to take all the heavy lifting that Stoll and Reasoner took last year. MacT has shown next to no trust to the younger guys. So Horcoff has to carry mountains, and, shock of shocks, his game is suffering as a result.

    Considering how Hemsky’s playing, I can only hope he realizes that the team is only going to get better if we lose enough dump the vets and fire the coach. Any of the alternatives just make me sad.

  41. Coach pb9617 says:

    You’re not factoring in the silly decisions that the new coach would have made. The hardest thing about competing against an abstraction, as MacT has had to do for much of this year, is that everyone can project their own biases as to what’s right onto said abstraction.

    Certainly, but I’m also hoping that the coach isn’t making those shitty decisions based on personal feuds and tantrums. If it’s outright stupidity, I honestly have no problems with that. Seriously – even Jack Welch was an idiot from time to time. But there is something much more childish, much more high-school chickish about the way MacTavish is running this team.

    This isn’t Therrien running Talbot out as a shutdown guy even though Talbot was getting shredded. This isn’t Renney benching Prucha because he’s not scoring even though he’s still doing good things.

  42. Black Dog says:

    sing it coach!

    again, who is playing up to expectations other then the top four D and Ales Hemsky?

    which kids have taken a step forward? any? maybe Smid after he spent time in the PB and on the wing

    I’m a MacT guy but even if they squeak into the playoffs its time to go

    Hitchcock won a Stanley Cup and I would say is the best, or one of the best, coaches in the league and he is on his third team during MacT’s tenure in Edmonton

    its just time

  43. kamus says:

    MC79: Isn’t the coaches in game job precisely to raise the odds of winning as high as possible?

    Its a cop out to say “well the odds of scoring are only 10%, so it doesn’t matter what players you send out”. If that is your thought pattern, what is the point of having a coach at all.

    Those small edges don’t make much difference in one game, but over 82games it adds up. 20 points in the standings, maybe not but 4 or 5 points would sure help.

  44. Coach pb9617 says:

    A couple of things: I think MacT is running Gagner out there against a little tougher group because he likes the option. I think that reflects well on Gagner that he can handle it at this point.

    He can handle it, but not beat it. This isn’t Horcoff outscoring the other teams absolute best, this is Gagner barely beating the other teams second best with the luxury of never starting in his own zone because you don’t trust him enough to do so. You’d rather run Horcoff into the ground to protect Gagner. That’s not an option. That’s a manufactured clusterf.

  45. Coach pb9617 says:

    again, who is playing up to expectations other then the top four D and Ales Hemsky?

    Horcoff.

    which kids have taken a step forward? any? maybe Smid after he spent time in the PB and on the wing

    Smid and Grebeshkov.

    Those small edges don’t make much difference in one game, but over 82games it adds up. 20 points in the standings, maybe not but 4 or 5 points would sure help.

    He blew 4 or 5 points in his lineup tantrums alone.

  46. Black Dog says:

    coach – yes Grebs, that’s true. And Gilbert too, I guess it would be fair to call him a kid, its only his second year.

    Interesting that all of the players except Hemsky and Roloson who are having decent years/improving are on the back end.

    I’d like to see better numbers from Horcoff personally but I think he’s run out of gas. Hard to quibble with a guy who is a plus player who plays centre for up to 25 minutes a game and takes almost every own zone draw.

  47. Ribs says:

    DBO – TSN confirms both pickups.

  48. Bruce says:

    I’d like to see better numbers from Horcoff personally but I think he’s run out of gas. Hard to quibble with a guy who is a plus player who plays centre for up to 25 minutes a game and takes almost every own zone draw.

    BDHS: True dat. And it’s getting worse. When I wrote about “WorkHorc” on my sadly-neglected blog exactly one month ago, he had taken 246 own zone draws to 184 in the good end, a ratio of almost exactly 4:3 . I look again today and those numbers have ballooned to 346 and 235 respectively, now a ratio of almost 3:2 on the season. Meaning in that last month, Horc has taken 100 own zone draws to just 51 in the offensive zone, which need I add is a ratio of almost 2:1. In that time Horc has ended his shifts in the defensive zone 57 times, in the offensive 41, which means the puck is moving somewhat in the right direction but not enough. Who knows how many “shifts” end in a line change after a successful clearance of the defensive zone.

    Bottom line: Horc’s defensive responsibilities have increased still further in recent weeks, and it’s taking its toll on his offensive game. Some of it no doubt is due to the injuries to 71 and 37, who formed a unit with Horpensky and contributed quite a lot to moving the puck in the right direction. That said there is no criticizing Horcoff’s underlying numbers — Zone Shift +116; positive (but diminishing) differentials in shots, Fenwick, and Corsi; and a team-leading +11 at evens.

  49. CrazyCoach says:

    Let me re=phrase that MC.

    I’m pretty sure every Oilers fan would be happy if they (Coaches) were worth at least 2 points from last night.

    As for the last minute, why not just throw HUggy Bear and Smacintyre out there and see what happens. Why not for shits and giggles, try pulling JDD off the bench and disguise him as a forward ala Gordon Bombay?

  50. ABZZ383 says:

    Mact has to go!This team is not playing for him for whatever reason.They are not going out playing hard and losing their just losing.We have no style of play and no heart!That comes from leadership.Our captain runs around like fool taking penalties,how can he go into the room and tell guys to get their head in the game.All of this points to the coach IMO.

  51. Schitzo says:

    I can’t believe we didn’t make a claim for Ossi Vananananananan. Looks like Staios will be an Oiler forever.

  52. Coach pb9617 says:

    MC – let’s turn the question around. What decisions, either strategical, tactical, or related to personnel has the coach made this year that have parlayed themselves into results, or points?

  53. Dennis says:

    It all comes back to developing while spending to the cap and/or picking the wrong horses to help the kids along.

    26 was certainly brought in here to go PVP with 10-83 while 18-34-27 were going to go secondary PVP and the Kids line was going to eat the soft.

    Was it a good idea to have 34 playing pivot? Who takes the heat for 26 not working out?

    Was it the best decision to have 89 as your secondary centre And then also play 13 as a pivot?

    Who’s accountable?

    All we can say is that once again people made the wrong bets.

    Again.

  54. Coach pb9617 says:

    26 was certainly brought in here to go PVP with 10-83

    That’s unfathomable. I can understand message board types just throwing people out of position, but general managers? People from the player’s club that understand the difficulty in switching positions?

    If that was the GMs intent, and not the coach’s decision, then the GM should resign. If he was brought in for 89 and the coach was being a bitch, then the coach should resign.

  55. Jonathan Willis says:

    A couple of things:

    1) How does it feel to be labeled a MacT-defender, Traktor ;) I can only hope Hunter was being sarcastic because only a blindingly stupid person could make that statement seriously.

    2) RE: Vaananen. Big deal. He’s riding the percentages this season, and he’s a third-pairing guy otherwise.

    3) RE: Briere. Maybe in exchange for Moreau and Staios, but not under any other circumstances. Certainly not for Cogliano.

  56. Coach pb9617 says:

    3) RE: Briere. Maybe in exchange for Moreau and Staios, but not under any other circumstances. Certainly not for Cogliano.

    Hittin’ the bong a little early today, JW?

  57. Jonathan Willis says:

    Coach: An injury-prone, waifish forward who needs sheltered ice-time, had the worst +/- on his team last season, and is signed for 45.5-million dollars for this and the next six seasons (with a no-movement clause to boot)?

    Is that really worth Cogliano? I wouldn’t sign Briere to that contract if he was an unrestricted free agent; why on Earth would I trade assets for it?

    Yes, he can put up points, but that kind of contract kills NHL clubs. He could be a fit on this team, but I wouldn’t surrender useful assets to acquire him.

  58. Traktor says:

    Jonathan: I’m pretty sure he was serious. Speaks volumes.

    Ossi had the best GFON/GAON/60 differential out of any Flyer defender. Sure he wasn’t facing top opp but clearly whatever was thrown on his plate he was scarfed down quickly leading me to believe he might have room for seconds.

    Briere is a high risk investment and to be honest I rather stay pat until MacTavish is removed and we can properly analyzing where this team is.

    The only type of players I would trade for that I can see having success under MacTavish are grinders like Morrow and Mike Fisher. I have a feeling Briere and MacT wouldn’t see eye to eye.

  59. knighttown says:

    The National Hockey League Players’ Association Executive Board announced Friday the appointment of Buzz Hargrove as the NHLPA’s Ombudsman on an interim basis.

    Now, I’m note exactly sure what Mr. Lindros did in his role, but if this hire is a move up the chain in command and a sign of where the players’ minds are you can pretty much guarantee that a strike/lockout is in the future. Nothing like brining in the guy who lead his CAW brethren into the abyss. Good luck Mr. Daly, dealing with this guy.

  60. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: An injury-prone, waifish forward who needs sheltered ice-time, had the worst +/- on his team last season, and is signed for 45.5-million dollars for this and the next six seasons (with a no-movement clause to boot)?

    Which is why I don’t want him on the Oilers. Ever.

    By the way:

    Waif

    Not a waif

  61. DBO says:

    Coach and Jonathan: i agree about not wanting Briere, just threw it out there to see if someone could make a case for it.if not him, then who can we poach from the flyers lineup? they are already over the cap next year and do not have a full roster. They can’t activate briere because of his cap hit. So who would we want based on salary, age, talent level? And just as importantly who would Philly choose to move? Could you pry hartnell out of there? Would we want him if it took Cogliano?

  62. knighttown says:

    Coach:

    Didn’t this HAVE to be the pic you linked under not a waif?

    http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/horno87/dustin3.jpg

  63. knighttown says:

    …and that didn’t work cause I don’t know how to use those html things. Not to spoil the surprise, but its a link to a fabulous picture of Penner’s fat ass.

  64. Scott says:

    2) RE: Vaananen. Big deal. He’s riding the percentages this season, and he’s a third-pairing guy otherwise.

    Not a particularly big deal, but if we’re talking about needing a bottom pair veteran defender, getting one on a cheap expiring contract for free sounds like a good option. Not taking him off of waivers is kind of like playing Ethan Moreau in the last minute when you need a goal. It probably won’t make a difference in the long, but why not give yourself the best chance possible?

    3) RE: Briere. Maybe in exchange for Moreau and Staios, but not under any other circumstances. Certainly not for Cogliano.

    I don’t trade for him even if I’m unloading Moreau and Staios. With his contract, I think the rule should be, no Briere period.

  65. TomInVan says:

    Annoying Canucks fan here (of the downhill skate variety, that is). Love this blog — especially for its cognizance of hockey history and its intelligent (usually) commentary — but what’s up with the brewing crescendo of negativity?

    Hell, a half game back with a 1/4 season to go in a playoff race that everyone knew would be tight? Not that distressing. Especially for a team some serious sophomore slump issues and Jekyll and Hyde issues (yeah, I can speak with authority on the latter — see Canucks: 1995/96 – 2008/09).

    My $0.02: You don’t want Hartnell for Cogliano (were you being facetious?). Barry Pederson for Cam Neely, maybe? Shiver… Ok, not quite, but Cogs’ upside will likely be embarrassing to the Oil when he matures. Hartnell might pop in 20 if he plays with 83. And he could help save MacT’s coaching job for next year. Not worth it.

    Vaananen: he also has the added purpose of keeping O’Brien focused. And he makes the possibility of an Ohlund trade (please, no!) more tangible, should it come to that. For all the hate he gets from Burkie/Nonis fans in our town, Gillis ain’t no dummy.

  66. Dennis says:

    In point form:

    - why Not bring in Vaananen as a top sixer? 37′s coming back so 5 and 24 can take turns shitting the top four bed and the other guy plus Ossi will give us a dependable bottom six. Seemed like a no-brainer to me. Then again, so did bringing in Gratton to win draws – which is something JW pimped early on – but it was probably best to let 13 lose all kinds of draws so fuck it.

    - I Absolutely believe the idea was for 26 to play the off-wing with 10-83 because why else would it take so long to put him on a scoring line with 89? I’m not saying that it makes sense but I’m saying that looks like the original intention

    - I thought about it but with the cap going down in 2011, NO on Briere. But Philly loves big guys and macT doesn’t like Penner so Penner for Briere wouldn’t shock me.

    - if the rumors are true and Kelly turfed Lindros because he was an over-the-shoulder guy, then how does he expect to control Hargrove? Or is Buzz that broke he needs a job?

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