Habs at Oilers, G54/08-09

This is Jean-Claude Tremblay. In the time I’ve been watching NHL hockey, he’s the Hab defender who most resembles Lubomir Visnovsky. Wonderful skaters, stickhandlers and free spirits who never really complied to the wishes of button-down coaches.

JC Tremblay was a wonderful player, he would play keepaway for ages on the PK and make butter head-man passes on the powerplay. He also played center from time to time.

Legend has it that Tremblay was converted to defense (from left wing) towards the end of the 1957-58 season by Scotty Bowman. He was named to the 1st All-Star team in 1971 and the 2nd All-Star team in 1968.

Once he moved to the WHA he became the class of the league, winning top defender in the league twice.

After retiring, Tremblay got into scouting and worked Europe for the Habs for a decade or so beginning in 1985. In 1994, JC Tremblay died of cancer in his only kidney. His other kidney had been donated to his daughter in 1979.

Montreal’s Canadiens don’t look like Cup contenders right now although that is the expectation from hockey’s most rabid fanbase. The Habs opponents tonight are the Edmonton Oilers, a team in the NHL’s western conference.

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  1. gerald78 says:

    BG on the powerplay. that must be how they convinced him to sign in montreal

  2. bookie says:

    That was an intentional slewfoot!

    I have watched Zach’s injury and if you watch closely it was more of an optical illusion, his knee bent the way that knees are meant to bend, it just looked crazy due to angles.

    Grebs knee bent much further than it should – thats not good.

  3. Oilman says:

    Smids had his stick lifted twice tonight and was penalized both times for it.

    Doogie – the league has had a shitty feed for MTL games for years – team gets away with everything……..KYLE!!!!

  4. oilerdago says:

    Yeah Brodziak baby!!!!

  5. bookie says:

    Brodziiiiiiiiiak

  6. Doogie2K says:

    But here’s the thing: Plekanec is not a dirty player. He’s not even a physical player, really. I can’t accept that he would suddenly go in with intent to injure on a random puck chase down 4-1. I honestly believe he was going in for the battle and shit happened. Maybe Huddy was just being diplomatic, but that’s what it sounded like he was saying, too.

    BRODZIAK!!!!!!!

  7. Lord Bob says:

    Great vision by the linesman to set up the goal!

  8. bookie says:

    Is the Pay per view feed bad or just our cheapass online version?

  9. Coach pb9617 says:

    Somewhere in Springfield, Cody Wild is staring at the telephone.

    Fella is going to bring some ruckus!

    Brodziak. Wheeeee.

    Go screw yourself Habs fans.

  10. Lord Bob says:

    Sheldon Souray struggles to the bench.

    Mathieu Roy now also staring at his phone intently.

  11. oilerdago says:

    Souray gets a free nose job on that one.

  12. Oilman says:

    Doogie…I don’t think OJ murdered anyone before 1994 either. A dirty play is a dirty play, regardless of what he did in the past. You put your stick around someones chest and your leg behind his knees in a race 5 feet from the boards and there are not a lot of clean results that can happen.

  13. Doogie2K says:

    Sebastien Bisaillon may yet see a return engagement in the NHL.

  14. RiversQ says:

    It’s nice to see the dirty greasy Habs get pistol whipped all over Alberta.

  15. Lowetide says:

    I’d say Peckham would get the call, right?

  16. Icecastles says:

    Did they just say MacTavish wants to have Hemsky arrested?

    Oh wait. maybe it was “rested”.

  17. Doogie2K says:

    Because OJ’s totally a relevant example.

    Here’s what I saw: Plekanec pulled his arm in and shoved against Grebeshkov. If his leg’s beside Gregeshkov’s instead of behind it, it’s like a billion other puck battles. And from the six or so replays I saw, I looked and it didn’t appear to me like he stuck his leg out, something that’s usually pretty clear. That’s why I don’t think there’s intent to injure. There’s a difference between the result and the intent, and I don’t believe there’s intent. I’m sure we’ll see it four more times at the intermission, and I’ll continue to look for intent, but I haven’t found it yet.

    Again, maybe I’m just seeing the sweater, but judging from some of the comments here, seems like other people are, too.

  18. oilerdago says:

    LT – depends with Peckham. Do they bring up a puck mover (like Wild/Chorney) or a physical presence if Grebs is down for some time.

    Peckham might be the best on the farm, but he’s not shown much so far this season.

    I’d say Wild.

  19. Doogie2K says:

    FATSO!!!!!!

  20. gerald78 says:

    nice little interview with dave gagner there. glad to hear that at least mrs gagner supports the oil over the canucks. penner!

  21. shepso says:

    alright fatso!!!!!
    sweet

  22. oilerdago says:

    Pennnnnnerrrrrr!!!

  23. Coach pb9617 says:

    With Grebs’ injury and Fernie back, Cole is now definitely out the door for a D.

  24. Oilman says:

    If his leg’s beside Gregeshkov’s instead of behind it

    Then it wouldn’t be a slewfoot

  25. Bruce says:

    Fuck, we’re layin’ a 5-1 thumpin’ on the Habs, and I’m just sitting here totally fucking bummed.

    The most charitable interpretation that can be put on Plekanec’s play is “dangerous”. “Reckless” is probably closer to the truth. If I saw the play in isolation without knowing anything about the player, I would say “dirty” bordering on “vicious”. No puck battle is worth putting a man in hospital.

    Ferfuxsakes, if that’s half as serious as it looked we’ve just lost both halves of our top pairing for the duration, and our biggest strength, puck-moving defencemen, is suddenly a major fucking weakness. Again.

    Hey, make it 6-1. Won’t bring Lazarus back from the dead.

  26. Icecastles says:

    The thing with a play like the one of Grebs is that the intent to injure is a bit subjective. When you go into the boards with someone like that, you have to know what the consequences of your actions are. If you point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, saying “I didn’t think it was loaded” is not a defense.

    If a reasonable person knew the likely or potential outcome of what they were doing, that is close enough to ‘intent’. Plekasshole should have known what would happen with that play and that it would result in a serious injury.

    Penner!! Woo hoo!! This could be our first blowout of the year.

  27. Doogie2K says:

    No way Souray can argue against that one. He punched Kostopoulos in the face three or four times.

  28. Lowetide says:

    I’d like to see Wild up here but doubt it happens. One thing we need to be aware of in regard to Chorney is that he’s having a much better time of it since they stopped making him face the AHL’s best.

  29. Councilman Les Winan says:

    Not to be overly dramatic (ah, who am I kidding?), but are we witnessing Carey Price’s “Rick Ankiel” moment here?

  30. bookie says:

    Here’s what I saw: Plekanec pulled his arm in and shoved against Grebeshkov. If his leg’s beside Gregeshkov’s instead of behind it, it’s like a billion other puck battles. And from the six or so replays I saw, I looked and it didn’t appear to me like he stuck his leg out, something that’s usually pretty clear. That’s why I don’t think there’s intent to injure. There’s a difference between the result and the intent, and I don’t believe there’s intent. I’m sure we’ll see it four more times at the intermission, and I’ll continue to look for intent, but I haven’t found it yet.

    He used his leg as a block and his arms as a lever. This is exactly how you take someone out. Even when on solid ground you can totally flatten someone with a move like that, and it looks like no effort is involved due to the leverage.

    I am not saying the guy took the time, thought it through, did a cost benefit analysis and then determined that it was worth the risk to injure Grebs. BUT in hockey you make quick decisions and sometimes you hurt people. I remember sometimes thinking that I didnt hook, slash, stick someone, etc, I was convinced of it and then I would watch a video (like a video that someone took from the stands, it was jut local hockey) and see that I totally was guilty. I think this was like that.

  31. Coach pb9617 says:

    YES! I love when Penner abuses Gene.

  32. Icecastles says:

    Bookie: Oh, it’s over. But they’re going to finish the game anyway. :D

  33. bookie says:

    No way Souray can argue against that one. He punched Kostopoulos in the face three or four times.

    I think it was accidental.

  34. oilerdago says:

    Great point bookie. What I saw was the look of frustration on Plekanec’s face. He wanted to hurt him good. Maybe he didn’t intend to injure Grebs, but he was taking his frustration out on him and that’s was it.

    LT – in the end you may be right that Peckham comes up, but my concern is we’re running out of puck moving defensemen if Grebs is out long-term.

    And nobody is trading puck movers.

  35. Henry says:

    I replayed that Plekanec’s slew job over and over. There may not have been intent to injure, but he meant to dump him, no doubt. The team has to see that replay in the break and punish him in the third. More than once too. If not they are the softest team in hockey.

    The Springfield Falcons with Rob Daum at the helm would beat the Habs tonight.

  36. Lord Bob says:

    Listening to the 630 CHED news break – the leaders of the two parties in the Legislature are guys named Stelmach and Swann? God, you guys are going downhill without me. :P

  37. Lowetide says:

    It was a filthy play. Given the pace of the play and how close it was to the end boards it was filthy. I don’t give a shit about intent, he did it and needs to pay before the end of the third period.

    And I suspect he will.

  38. Doogie2K says:

    I’m giving myself a headache arguing my point. I agree it was dangerous, and maybe it’s hard to believe that an NHL player could be so unaware of his body position that he could mistake jostling position for slew-footing position, but unless I see something new on the intermission replays, I don’t think there’s sufficient intent for a five.

    And I’m done.

  39. mc79hockey says:

    That is the stupidest fucking poll question I’ve ever seen.

  40. Lord Bob says:

    It was a filthy play. Given the pace of the play and how close it was to the end boards it was filthy. I don’t give a shit about intent, he did it and needs to pay before the end of the third period.

    Getting beat 6-1 count for anything?

    MacTavish is a great coach, isn’t he? Who else in the league could have his team this prepared for a big game?

  41. Doogie2K says:

    Changing the subject, I wish I had access to that kind of cool shit when I was a kid. I had a tennis ball, a sawed-down wrong-hand stick, and a cheap-ass net.

  42. mc79hockey says:

    Amen Doogie. I also think I’m a better hockey player than Gino.

  43. Lowetide says:

    LUXURY! I had my mom’s WW2 fishnet stockings nailed to a sawhorse with dung for a puck and a willow for a stick.

  44. Dennis says:

    2nd period chances: 7-3 Mtl; 4-2 EV and 3-1 ST.

    After 40 min: 16-12 Mtl; 12-8 EV: 4-4 ST

    Oilers don’t get a chance on the prolonged 5-on-3 but they do get a SHG and that’s fitting for 51 because he’s been hitting the ball hard for a few games now.

    Oilers are doing a good job killing penalties and their PP has scored two goals so that’s fine and dandy. Price had a rough first and both goals from the Oil in the 2nd were GAO: Grade A Opportunities.

    But, like Bruce, I’m totally bummed over the 37 injury even though we’re lacing Cuntreal and Dal and perhaps Ana are gonna be reeled in a little more in the playoff race.

  45. Doogie2K says:

    That is the stupidest fucking poll question I’ve ever seen.

    What’s sad is how many people didn’t answer, “playoff spot.”

    Though the ON “Should Avery be allowed to return to the NHL?” question is pretty damned stupid, too. Assault causing career-ending injury? Welcome back! Call your ex a whore? Oh, now you’ve gone and done it.

  46. Lowetide says:

    Well they’re talking up Strudwick now which cannot be a good sign.

  47. Oilman says:

    I had a homemade wooden goal with the plastic from a roll of carpet as "net" (thanks to Tony Baldwin of B&K Carpet!) – we had this big windstorm a few days after my uncle made the net for me and I never saw the thing again.

  48. Doogie2K says:

    Jason Strudwick: Lover. Fighter. Top-Four Defenceman. Playmaker. Francophone.

    Some of these things are not like the other.

  49. Lord Bob says:

    Staios takes an undisciplined double-minor, and then gets beat nine times on a rush while skating to the penalty box.

  50. Bruce says:

    are we witnessing Carey Price’s “Rick Ankiel” moment here?

    Good question. I keep hearing the hype about how cool the kid is, but this isn’t the first time I’ve seen him on the verge of a meltdown. Happened last year in the playoffs, in fact from about 10 minutes after they traded Huet. And he’s on an extended shit streak now. Saw him interviewed after one recent blowout and he seemed on the verge of tears. His body language tonights suggests he is one messed up kid.

  51. bookie says:

    Ok, I have to say I am taking GREAT PLEASURE seeing all of the retards in the stands in EDMONTON wearing Habs jerseys. Good for them, maybe they should take a look at a map and recognize that the league expanded a few years back andhat we have a local team.

    Suck on it Habs fans, I hope you paid through the teeth for your tickets.

  52. Oilman says:

    I also never liked the attitude of Price Bruce. Most call him cool but it looks more lackadaisical to me. He’s not a battler at all. And the comparisons to Roy and Dryden were sickening really.

  53. Coach pb9617 says:

    I have a headache from this picture for the game. The picture is so bad that I can’t believe the team charges people to look at this.

  54. Doogie2K says:

    Happened last year in the playoffs, in fact from about 10 minutes after they traded Huet.

    He seemed fine initially in the regular season, but he just blew the hell up against the Bruins; the Habs barely survived that series. Between that and the death of their PP, as everyone figured out that if you double-team Kovalev, they’ve got nothing, it’s a wonder they even got the one against Philly.

  55. Doogie2K says:

    Ok, I have to say I am taking GREAT PLEASURE seeing all of the retards in the stands in EDMONTON wearing Habs jerseys. Good for them, maybe they should take a look at a map and recognize that the league expanded a few years back andhat we have a local team.

    Suck on it Habs fans, I hope you paid through the teeth for your tickets.

    Because none of those people moved from Montreal. Or are the children of Montrealers. Nope, no such thing.

  56. Schitzo says:

    I would seriously think about benching Hemsky and Gagner and then start headhunting

  57. Bruce says:

    Another deux for Plekanec for avoir fait trebuchet. This one at least was pretty innoucuous.

  58. oilerdago says:

    We’re running out of D – now Smid’s hurt.

  59. Oilman says:

    Yes, all the MTL sweaters in the stands are on Quebecers….I’d bet dimes to dollars that half those guys are Newfs. I lived with that crap growing up.

  60. bookie says:

    Yeah, ok, some 10,000 Montrealers moved here and then came to tonights game….

    I would believe that, except that I have seen it at games for 20 years…

    I just think that its a silly loyalty…people trying to be different

    By the way, I typically want the fans of the other team to have a rough night.

  61. shepso says:

    I really hope Ladi is ok…that would be the last thing we need. Suddenly I hear Wild and Peckham getting their travel orders

  62. Doogie2K says:

    Josh Gorges isn’t making anyone forget Mats Naslund wearing #26 as a forward.

    LIAM!!!!!!!!

  63. Lord Bob says:

    When was the last time every member of the Oilers’ fourth line scored in a game?

  64. oilerdago says:

    Reddoxxxxxx!!!???

  65. Phil says:

    So this is what it feels like to be on the other side :)

  66. Lowetide says:

    On the downside, Schremp is never going to get called up at this rate.

  67. oilerdago says:

    Smidder is back. Whew.

  68. shepso says:

    never mind, Ladi’s ok…

  69. bookie says:


    Because none of those people moved from Montreal. Or are the children of Montrealers. Nope, no such thing.

    Ok, Doogie just declared that he is attempting to be disagreeable tonight.

    by the way 7-1 SUCK ON IT HABS FANS!

  70. Doogie2K says:

    I just think that its a silly loyalty…people trying to be different

    You keep telling yourself that.

    Nothing to do with all those head offices leaving Montreal after the last referendum. Nothing to do with generational fans. Nothing to do with people from other places, like the Maritimes, or Ottawa, who had Habs loyalties because they were the closest team.

    I mean, fuck, it’s not like they’re wearing black eye makeup and cutting their wrists to draw attention to themselves.

  71. Oilman says:

    The last time I saw the habs lose like this it lead to the Avs becoming a Stanley Cup favorite:o)

  72. Doogie2K says:

    Ok, Doogie just declared that he is attempting to be disagreeable tonight.

    Pardon me all to ratshit for reacting to someone being a douche.

  73. bookie says:

    So this is what it feels like to be on the other side :)

    You know, somehow its more boring, not much to talk about.

  74. Oilman says:

    So Doogie, you’re an Oilers fan for 81 games a year? I don’t get that.

  75. Lord Bob says:

    So, guys, Ethan Moreau: great captain, or greatest captain?

  76. Coach pb9617 says:

    On the downside, Schremp is never going to get called up at this rate.

    Schremp for Reasoner.

  77. Lowetide says:

    That would be an excellent Gene question: How do you say douche in French?

    :-)

  78. Doogie2K says:

    So Doogie, you’re an Oilers fan for 81 games a year? I don’t get that.

    82. I simply take offence to the implication that I also cheer for my mother’s team to be a dick.

  79. Oilman says:

    So, guys, Ethan Moreau: great captain, or greatest captain?

    I’m waiting for them to show a split screen of the newly bald Moreau and Mark Messier and start with the comparisons.

  80. Doogie2K says:

    I’m waiting for them to show a split screen of the newly bald Moreau and Mark Messier and start with the comparisons.

    But how would you make Moreau cry? I mean, all you have to do to Messier is steal his Lay’s.

  81. doritogrande says:

    Daum loses his first game as Falcons head coach. Manchester scores five unanswered goals after two quick Springfield markers. Jacques with an assist.

  82. Lord Bob says:

    OH GOD HERE WE GO.

    BRING ON DESLAURIERS BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.

  83. Oilman says:

    My dad is a diehard MTL fan – he won’t speak to me for months now, literally.

  84. Icecastles says:

    Cue the miracle comeback?

  85. Doogie2K says:

    BOULLION!!!!

    Doesn’t mean a damned thing, but I always liked Boullion. I like scrappy small guys.

  86. Steve says:

    So why haven’t they pulled Price? Didn’t the Habs have a problem resulting from failing to pull a promising young goaltender once before?

  87. bookie says:

    Pardon me all to ratshit for reacting to someone being a douche.

    Wow, somebody is sensitive, I am guessing that you are sitting there in your Habs jersey?

    Look, I have EVERY RIGHT to enjoy the pain of a bunch of fans from the OPPOSING TEAM who fill my teams barn every time they visit. I didn’t call them A-holes, etc. I just said I enjoyed their suffering. I do the same to Calgary fans. Its called hometown loyalty and its part of sports.

    oh oh, here comes the big Habs comeback – am I going to have to eat my words?

  88. Phil says:

    Parise with 2G, 2A tonight. Man, if we had him, he would’ve had 40 goals easy tonight. Probably would’ve done something about this economy, and maybe solved the global climate change issue as he skated out for his 1st star nod.

  89. Coach pb9617 says:

    Staios blasts the puck around the boards like no one in the league.

  90. Lowetide says:

    That Staios play got Joffrey Lupul a job in Philly.

  91. Coach pb9617 says:

    82. I simply take offence to the implication that I also cheer for my mother’s team to be a dick.

    Are you 12?

  92. Scott says:

    Plekanec with the assist to go with a hard night’s work. Might he be available? The Habs could probably use a puck-moving D like Grebs.

  93. Oilman says:

    That Staios play got Joffrey Lupul a job in Philly.

    Well thank god for that Staios play!

  94. bookie says:

    My dad is a diehard MTL fan – he won’t speak to me for months now, literally.

    If he is a Habs fan, its probably not much of a loss for you.

  95. Bruce says:

    Look at that, a PP goal by Reddox and it’s 7-1. Stortini soars to the team lead in PP GF ON/60 at a staggering +67.9/60. (+1 in 0:53 on the season) This after Zorg earlier extended his team lead in Sh% to an impressive 23.1%.

    I love small number statistics. :)

  96. shepso says:

    @ scott: Was that irony/sarcasm? I can’t tell with people anymore…

  97. bookie says:

    Is anyone else enjoying this a bit more because its the Habs?

  98. Doogie2K says:

    Look, I have EVERY RIGHT to enjoy the pain of a bunch of fans from the OPPOSING TEAM who fill my teams barn every time they visit. I didn’t call them A-holes, etc. I just said I enjoyed their suffering. I do the same to Calgary fans. Its called hometown loyalty and its part of sports.

    And all that’s fine. I love nothing more than rubbing it in to Leafs fans. It’s this that I didn’t care for:

    Good for them, maybe they should take a look at a map and recognize that the league expanded a few years back andhat we have a local team.

    Should Lord Bob, Loxy, and Ender become Canucks fans because they moved to BC? Christ.

    And no, I actually took off my Habs jersey to make supper before the game started. I’m currently wearing a T-shirt for a hotel in Nashville. GO PREDS?

    Staios blasts the puck around the boards like no one in the league.

    I call it the Rim Job.

    Poor Carey. Carbonneau should’ve pulled him after one.

  99. Lord Bob says:

    Stauffer just pointed out that Horcoff isn’t at the Oilers’ bench.

    Let’s really, really hope that MacTavish is just giving him the night off.

  100. Scott says:

    Now that really is reminiscent of the Roy fiasco. Weird.

    Also, why is the consensus to pile on Doogie for having a second favorite team?

  101. Lowetide says:

    I can’t really get mad at the Habs like the old days. There was a time when Montreal got every damn call exactly when they needed it and that was galling for this Bruins fan.

    But now they are just another team.

  102. doritogrande says:

    Let’s get Ladi a powerplay goal.

  103. Doogie2K says:

    Are you 12?

    Yup. My voice is cracking as type this.

  104. DeBakey says:

    When Souray punched Kostopoulos several times,
    the penalty he received was a “rudesse”

    Later, a commercial told me a F150 was “rudesse”

    Therefore, I can only assume that a F150 must’ve punched Kostopoulos several times.

  105. Coach pb9617 says:

    But now they are just another team.

    But their fans are still monstrous douchenozzles.

  106. Oilman says:

    Also, why is the consensus to pile on Doogie for having a second favorite team?

    Because it’s the Habs and they are playing the Oilers – but mostly because its the Habs…I mean seriously, are you a Yankees and Cowboys fan too?:o)

  107. Scott says:

    Was that irony/sarcasm? I can’t tell with people anymore…

    Yes, yes. Sarcasm was the intent. I don’t think Plekanec would be worth a good D for this team. We’re not exactly in desperate need of small skilled forward.

  108. Lord Bob says:

    Therefore, I can only assume that a F150 must’ve punched Kostopoulos several times.

    Explains the face.

  109. shepso says:

    LT. Nice to know I’m not the only part-time bruins fan out there…

  110. Doogie2K says:

    I mean seriously, are you a Yankees and Cowboys fan too?

    I was an Expos fan for about five minutes when I was little. Am I redeemed?

  111. bookie says:

    You see when the Oilers are winning big it just tears us all up.

    I hope they suck next game so we can all bitch about coaching and gameplay and fall in love all over again.

  112. Lowetide says:

    Love the Bruins. The Orr Bruins are my second favorite team alltime (behind the Boys on the Bus).

  113. Coach pb9617 says:

    Stauffer just pointed out that Horcoff isn’t at the Oilers’ bench.

    He and Hemsky have only played two shifts in the third. He’s getting time off.

  114. Bruce says:

    Montreal has four defencemen on the ice.

  115. Scott says:

    Because it’s the Habs and they are playing the Oilers – but mostly because its the Habs

    So… why do we hate the Habs. I don’t get it. I mean, I grew up with Cujo leaving to a Toronto team that included Roberts, Tucker and Corson. And now that those guys are gone they have Burke. I’m used to cheering for the Habs on HNIC when they play the Leafs.

    If we hate them because of their successful history it feels too much like embittered 80s era Flames fans reacting to the Oilers.

    What have the Habs ever done to the Oildrop?

  116. shepso says:

    @ Scott: I only half-seriously asked given it was Pleks who took Grebs out… I’m trying to phase sarcasm out. It’s overdone. I’m hoping to return to more direct forms of comedy, like observational humor and playing on people’s fears

  117. doritogrande says:

    This is seriously the emptiest I’ve seen Rexall.

    Stupid Habs fans.

  118. bookie says:

    Cole, Hemsky, and Horcoff all taking time off. Perhaps all a little injured?

  119. doritogrande says:

    Please *clap*, please play Hall and Oates again *clap clap*

  120. bookie says:

    So… why do we hate the Habs. I don’t get it. I mean, I grew up with Cujo leaving to a Toronto team that included Roberts, Tucker and Corson. And now that those guys are gone they have Burke. I’m used to cheering for the Habs on HNIC when they play the Leafs.

    Cause they are playing MY team – The Edmonton Oilers – A team in the NHL.

  121. Doogie2K says:

    And now that the game’s over, can I just say that it’s bugged me all game how Quinn kept saying KOH-steets-in? It’s pronounced kuh-STEETS-in.

    Clap clap

  122. bookie says:

    wtf, the only reason I watch these guys is for “private eyes”

  123. doritogrande says:

    And now that the game’s over, can I just say that it’s bugged me all game how Quinn kept saying KOH-steets-in? It’s pronounced kuh-STEETS-in.

    I hated the Boullion pronounciation even more. Fuck, I thought Pouliot put us up 8-1.

  124. Bruce says:

    If I lived in Montreal and the Oilers played there once every 3 or 5 or 10 years or whatever it is in Gary Bettman’s NHL, I would move heaven and earth to get a ticket to that game, and I would be wearing every bit of Oiler swag I could find.

    Cut these folks some slack … they’re just hockey fans supporting their damn team. They’re already absorbing a complete shit-kicking for their troubles without Oiler fans piling on with unfounded accusations about their parentage and patriotism and such. Let’s just enjoy the win and hope for a miracle re: Grebs.

  125. Henry says:

    I replayed that Plekanec’s slew job over and over. There may not have been intent to injure, but he meant to dump him, no doubt. The team has to see that replay in the break and punish him in the third. More than once too. If not they are the softest team in hockey.

    The Springfield Falcons with Rob Daum at the helm would beat the Habs tonight.

  126. Doogie2K says:

    @Bruce: Thank you for saying that much better than I did.

    And with that, I have a headache, and I’m going to bed.

  127. mc79hockey says:

    Wow…I never really realized how infrequently Hemsky talks. Strange.

  128. mc79hockey says:

    I still think it’s fair to hope that they have a lousy time, although I’m travelling up to OTT for the Oilers game in a few weeks and I intend to be all jersied up and acting like an asshole so I can’t criticize too harshly.

  129. Oilman says:

    So… why do we hate the Habs.

    Because their fans are Toronto fans, only french. Because Pat Roy constantly made “BIG SAVES” on HNIC and the opposing goalie was lucky. Because the refs constantly looked the other way, because the Hartford Whalers deserved to win at least one series in the 80′s (Frank Pietrangelo stood on his friggin head), because they won 10 friggin OT games, because Marty McSorely’s illigal stick was not making one frigging bit of difference to the outcome of the game, and because some fan will read this and start spouting off the number 24 until his head friggin’ explodes and blue, blanc, et rougue shit oozes out.

  130. bookie says:

    Cut these folks some slack … they’re just hockey fans supporting their damn team. They’re already absorbing a complete shit-kicking for their troubles without Oiler fans piling on with unfounded accusations about their parentage and patriotism and such. Let’s just enjoy the win and hope for a miracle re: Grebs.

    I was that fan in Ottawa and you know what, I was jeered for it. Look if you go into someone else’s rink and cheer for the opposition, you best understand that the fans from that city would prefer it if your team won…so suck it up a little guys. I HATE (in a playful way) the fans of any team playing MY team.

    I didn’t know that Montreal fans were such a sensitive lot.

    I think they are all cultist cannibal ratshit eaters. :)

  131. oilerdago says:

    MacT just said that Grebs has a high ankle sprain. Couple of weeks at least (usually it’s about 3-4 weeks from what I recall).

    Peckham will get the call.

  132. Scott says:

    and because some fan will read this and start spouting off the number 24 until his head friggin’ explodes and blue, blanc, et rougue shit oozes out.

    See, now this sounds a lot like someone with “1″ might say to someone who might say “5.” Hating them solely because of institutional success seems strange.

    I guess if you’re not treating the Habs differently from any other team it doesn’t matter really. I guess it’s the hate for the Habs in particular that I don’t really understand. They were too good! They won too much! They got all the good calls! These seem like reasons to like them.

  133. DeBakey says:

    Somewhat OT

    I went to look at Cap Central and saw this tidbit from everbody’s favourite, Eck:
    “also out there…There are teams that look to be interested in Penner from Edmonton.”

    We now return you to regularly scheduled programming.

  134. Coach pb9617 says:

    So… why do we hate the Habs. I don’t get it. I mean, I grew up with Cujo leaving to a Toronto team that included Roberts, Tucker and Corson. And now that those guys are gone they have Burke. I’m used to cheering for the Habs on HNIC when they play the Leafs.

    I hate the Leafs too. And the Stars. And Ducks. And Canucks. I hate the Habs for their douchenozzle fans and the fact that 18 of their much ballyhooed cup total came when there were six teams. La de freaking dah. Six more of them came in the midst of expanding the league from 6 to 20. La de freaking dah. Your franchise is wonderful, you absolutely dominated hockey when the league couldn’t even fill a conference. How you been since the league finally filled and evened out? Three pennants? Great, step back into line behind the Penguins and just in front of the Flames.

    People here in the Eastern US really hate the Flyers. I just feel bad for them.

  135. Oilman says:

    They were too good! They won too much! They got all the good calls! These seem like reasons to like them

    Unless you hate them. Then, not so much.

  136. bookie says:

    I guess if you’re not treating the Habs differently from any other team it doesn’t matter really. I guess it’s the hate for the Habs in particular that I don’t really understand. They were too good! They won too much! They got all the good calls! These seem like reasons to like them.

    This I agree with, why would you hate success, its like all the Gretzky haters out there.

  137. quain says:

    If MacT hadn’t lost the room the Habs would have 25 cups. He’s ruining teams all across the nation.

  138. Coach pb9617 says:

    MacT just said that Grebs has a high ankle sprain. Couple of weeks at least (usually it’s about 3-4 weeks from what I recall).

    Could be the season. It depends on how his body reacts. I’ve severly sprained my right ankle more than a half-dozen times. It’s shredded, not from those, but from the single severe high ankle sprain. They have the resources – Grebs should be in the hostpital for the next few days getting professional care including immobilizing the leg, cooling treatments and blood treatments.

  139. knighttown says:

    and because some fan will read this and start spouting off the number 24 until his head friggin’ explodes and blue, blanc, et rougue shit oozes out.

    Bingo! Growing up in NS you can’t imagine how often you try to give someone the gears about a Habs loss and they come back with “24″. Doesn’t matter that 22 of them were before many of these fans were born and about 20 of them were before the Edmonton Oilers existed.

    Remember that time Newsy Lalonde snapped his one piece but still had the wherewithal to do a cheeky-back heel to Howie Morenz? No you don’t because they didn’t have TV and scribes from that time embellished everything. Did you stand and cheer when Georges Vezina won his 5th, what was then known as, “Real Good Goalie Award”? Unlikely. So stop bragging about it. If you weren’t invested in it you can’t claim it now.

  140. Scott says:

    I hate the Habs for their douchenozzle fans and the fact that 18 of their much ballyhooed cup total came when there were six teams. La de freaking dah. Six more of them came in the midst of expanding the league from 6 to 20. La de freaking dah. Your franchise is wonderful, you absolutely dominated hockey when the league couldn’t even fill a conference. How you been since the league finally filled and evened out? Three pennants? Great, step back into line behind the Penguins and just in front of the Flames.

    So you hate them because their fans are loudmouths (clearly unique to the Habs) and they weren’t successful enough in a time that you care about.

    Also, what year are you calling the starting point? I have a feeling three pennants and two cups is still better than average though obviously is not the mostest awesomest team ever.

  141. Coach pb9617 says:

    So you hate them because their fans are loudmouths (clearly unique to the Habs) and they weren’t successful enough in a time that you care about.

    Leaves fans and Montreal fans are hall of fame windbags. There are few others that compare – Yankees and Red Sox fans and Raiders fans until about six years ago are in the same league – and you can’t have normal conversations with any of them. For Pete’s sake, Montreal hasn’t won a pennant since ’93 and Toronto has yet to do so. 15 years since success and they are still douchenozzles.

    The other teams on my list are there with good reason – The Stars are obvious, the Canucks are cheap, dirty douches and the Ducks are a bunch of hacks.

  142. bookie says:

    I feel me a good LA Kings Hate a buildin’

  143. LittleFury says:

    Because their fans are Toronto fans, only french. Because Pat Roy constantly made “BIG SAVES” on HNIC and the opposing goalie was lucky. Because the refs constantly looked the other way, because the Hartford Whalers deserved to win at least one series in the 80′s (Frank Pietrangelo stood on his friggin head), because they won 10 friggin OT games, because Marty McSorely’s illigal stick was not making one frigging bit of difference to the outcome of the game, and because some fan will read this and start spouting off the number 24 until his head friggin’ explodes and blue, blanc, et rougue shit oozes out.

    And if Nelson Skalbania was a better backgammon player…

  144. Dennis says:

    I think what we can take from all of this is that all habs fans in the maritimes and NF are dicks.

    and that’s something i can agree with:D

    My story is I’m not old enough to have been able to enjoy the ’81 sweep but old enough to have lived through the 83 and 93 Cup wins and those two finals were hard to take. You see, I can’t watch anything without picking a side so in both 86 and 89 I had to cheer for the flames and then in ’93 I honestly never picked a side even though it went against everything I previously believed in:)

    I remember watching G1 of the ’93 final at my uncle’s place with a houseful of Habs fans and I didn’t know how to feel or who to cheer.

    I see a lot of guys here hate the leaves but the gilmour lead teams were fun to watch and excelled a time when the oilers sucked and I just followed their playoff runs because my father was a leaves fan. I only turned on them after Cujo went there and HNIC acted like the guy skipped the Blues and Oilers and came straight to hogtown from Wisconsin. It was only then that I became enraged and envious:D

    Tonight, I dunno, I must be getting old or growing up or something;) Most likely it’s that the Oilers are in yet another tooth-and-nail scrape for a playoff spot so wins become less about statements and personal grudge settling then they do about racking up two points and living to fight another day.

    And just when i got a little surge from laying a beatdown, 37 went down and I started thinking about future lineups.

  145. Dennis says:

    Oh, BTW, JFJ also fought Brian Boyle as well.

  146. Kelly Milligan says:

    Daum did not actually coach the game tonight, his plane was delayed. If the lineups are correct, shremp was playing on the fourth line, and Chorney was on the third pairing, getting some shelter…
    Interesting…

  147. Lord Bob says:

    Chorney’s been sheltered a lot lately. It turns out that throwing him into the deep end of the pool just led to them having to drag him out.

  148. Jonathan Willis says:

    Surprising amount of anger for a 7-2 win. Although I suppose a Grebeshkov injury will do that to you.

    It’s probably just an age thing, but I have no problems with Montreal. Or Vancouver, for that matter, despite the fact I live in B.C.

    My hatred is reserved for Dallas and Toronto.

  149. Black Dog says:

    Chalk me up as a Habs hater too – growing up in Northern Ontario in the 70s that’s all we saw on TV and its true – the calls, the HNIC bias, all of it.

    And the obnoxious fans.

    Now that they are just another team now the hate is gone for me though.

    A tough row to hoe coming up for the Oilers – buckle up.

  150. Wrath says:

    Scott said…
    "So you hate them because their fans are loudmouths (clearly unique to the Habs) and they weren't successful enough in a time that you care about."
    First post… First off Huge Props Lowetide, you run a top-shelf blog here, Ive been reading for 2 seasons (summer too,thnx x2) Keep up the great work!
    Ok "Habs fans" first of all most people born and raised in Alberta that I know don't just have a problem with "the habs" or Montreal, We(or at least I) have a problem with people who think they can decide to "separate" from Canada while taking the sweet sweet Canadian soil with them… all the while wanting more & more of that "dirty oil" money you love to complain about. That's of course just the personal side…

  151. Wrath says:

    Clap
    On the Hockey side of the coin,
    I dont hate the habs
    for “winning too much” or being “too great” because as a few guys already pointed out it was when they were one of the six teams in the league. but my hatred for the Habs was quelled long ago (now I just enjoy the razzing cause well… That’s just how I roll)
    SI Oct 12/81 “The Canadiens’ goalie, Richard Sevigny, went so far as to predict that Lafleur would put Gretzky “in his back pocket.” That remark was a grievous error. Boy was it ever!
    SI/81 ” It works the other way around, too, but only with some players, the great ones”. That’s what was happening in this series. The Oilers won the next game 6-2 to complete the sweep. Lafleur had one point in the three games. When Gretzky was on the ice and the teams were at even strength, Edmonton outscored Montreal 11-0 Enough Said…
    7-1 Eat it Habs Fans
    clap clap

  152. Unleaded says:

    Mmmm… Fool’s Hope…

  153. PPP says:

    Is it really that strange to hate your favourite team’s opponent? Is that something that people think needs to be justified?

    Isn’t that how sports work?

    If you hate the Habs whatever reason you have should be good enough.

  154. Doogie2K says:

    I hate the Habs for their douchenozzle fans and the fact that 18 of their much ballyhooed cup total came when there were six teams. La de freaking dah. Six more of them came in the midst of expanding the league from 6 to 20.

    Actually, four came pre-Original Six, ten came in the Original Six era, eight came in the expansion era, two came in the 21+-team era. If you’re going to be dismissive, get it right. ;)

    So stop bragging about it. If you weren’t invested in it you can’t claim it now.

    Sounds like something a Flames fan would say to any Oilers fan under, say, 25.

  155. Sean says:

    Guy Carbonneau is a bum who cant coach offense. Why the hell does he put defense men as forwards. He’s obviously lost the room. Montreal is such an old boys club it makes me sick ;)

  156. Black Dog says:

    Doogie – I think you’ve lost the room ;)

    Maybe that’s why Horcoff … oh never mind.

  157. bookie says:

    Sounds like something a Flames fan would say to any Oilers fan under, say, 25.

    To be fair, I would support the Flames fan in that…

  158. Scott says:

    That’s what was happening in this series. The Oilers won the next game 6-2 to complete the sweep. Lafleur had one point in the three games. When Gretzky was on the ice and the teams were at even strength, Edmonton outscored Montreal 11-0 Enough Said…

    If you’re going to rag on the Habs for caring about their past you can’t do it with examples from 1981. That’s silly.

    To be fair, I would support the Flames fan in that…

    This is probably the biggest difference between myself and some here I guess. I like the Oilers history even though I don’t remember much about it. It probably has to do with my enjoyment of tradition and history in general. Still, those Cup teams are having a pretty big impact on the team today (Hello Lowe, MacT, Huddy), so we may as well enjoy the good parts of our history as well. In a similar way, I think it’s appropriate that Habs fans revel in their kick-ass past.

    If you hate the Habs whatever reason you have should be good enough.

    This is appropriate from a Leafs fan. But an Oilers fan?

    Also, Coach, Calgary doesn’t make your top five least liked teams?

  159. Coach pb9617 says:

    Also, Coach, Calgary doesn’t make your top five least liked teams?

    Nah. After suffering through the pain that is the Atlanta Flames, I was just happy that the team found a good home. The Flames have their one Cup, and they have the three pennants, but look at their history since the one cup. 8 times missed playoffs, 9 times lost in round 1, 1 pennant. They’re pretty harmless.

    Hell, my only gripe with the Flames is that they kept the name “Flames” when they moved to Calgary. It’s as silly as if the New Jersey Rockies existed today.

  160. quain says:

    About 14 hours too late, but I finally got around to watching the replay of the slew foot on Grebs (I watched the game, but was busy during that period of time.)

    Anyone claiming there wasn’t intent needs to watch it again: unless Plekanec was planning to swing Grebeshkov through his legs, in a very saucy swing dancing move, he was definitely going in to slew foot him. I mean, unless someone developed a new style of skating while I wasn’t looking it’s just ridiculous how obvious it was.

  161. Coach pb9617 says:

    Rob freaking Daum better recognize the greatness that is Cody Wild and at least get him in the lineup.

    Brule – Potulny – Corazzini
    Stone – Spurgeon – McDonald
    Jacques – O’Marra – Trukhno
    Schremp – Paukovich – Benson

    Young – Roy
    Peckham – Taylor
    Gabinet – Chorney

    Dubnyk
    Sabourin

    Sugartits, 4th line AHLer.

  162. oilerdago says:

    Coach,

    Not sure you caught it, but Daum did not make it to the game last night.

    His first night on the bench will be tomorrow.

    Would think Wild will be in because the Oilers are going to recall Peckham.

  163. George B says:

    Interesting Habs/Oilers conversation.

    I became a Habs fan in 1974 or so…watching them on HNIC, Yvon Cournoyer breezing down the ice, Lafleur’s hair, Jarvis’ mastery of the dot, Savard, Lapointe, and Big Bird hardly ever out of position. Roget Doucette belting out the anthem and Danny Gallivan telling me that the puck was caught up in his paraphenalia.

    I also grew up in Northern Ontario, and you had a choice, the Buds or the Habs. I loved the energy, the uniforms, the announcer, the PA guy, the style of play…(And it didn’t hurt that they were a damn good team…especially when you are 6 years old.)

    When the Oilers play the Habs, I cheer for the home team mostly. I figure the guy that pays to see the home team out of his pocket deserves to go into his cold vehicle and a few hundred bucks lighter with a smile on his face. In a perfect world it would be an OT or Shootout win so both teams could see something out of it.

    That said, buying a ticket and trying to out-home the home team is a bit idiotic. Trying to be louder and Ole’ing the visiting team into a victory seems childish to me.

    Wear your jersey, cheer if they score, but don’t try to embarrass the home team because your team has 100 years of history.

    That said, I don’t agree with the venom towards the Habs because in style, tradition, and even fan sentiment, there aren’t two more parallel teams in the league.

  164. Bruce says:

    the Oilers are going to recall Peckham.

    GF/GA ON/60
    ——————-
    Grebeshkov +3.27/-2.47
    Peckham +0.00/-14.01

    Yeah, I know, small sample size, somebody else will get most of Grebs’ minutes and Peckham won’t replace him directly, but … egads. The whole thing about guys moving up the depth chart was stretched badly enough when Grebs was taking over some of Lubo’s responsibilities, but now to lose both of them is just crippling. I’m struggling to draw any other conclusion outside of “we’re screwed”.

    Oh, and “fuck you, Tomas Plekanec”.

  165. Ribs says:

    Not sure you caught it, but Daum did not make it to the game last night.
    His first night on the bench will be tomorrow.

    Don’t tell Gregor!

    ON: Rob Daum didn’t have much time to go over a game plan last night when he stepped behind the bench in Manchester, but he might have given a good opening speech because the Falcons scored :34 seconds into the first and led 2-0 at the 8:34 mark. Unfortunately for Daum and his team, they weren’t able to maintain their strong start and lost 5-2 to Manchester.

  166. Coach pb9617 says:

    ON: Rob Daum didn’t have much time to go over a game plan last night when he stepped behind the bench in Manchester, but he might have given a good opening speech because the Falcons scored :34 seconds into the first and led 2-0 at the 8:34 mark. Unfortunately for Daum and his team, they weren’t able to maintain their strong start and lost 5-2 to Manchester.

    Holy Moses.

    The Oilers media is just amazing. They are so awful that it’s become humorous. Add another hack to the pile.

  167. knighttown says:

    Oh, and “fuck you, Tomas Plekanec”.

    Agreed. In a culture where people who wear visors are pussies, I’ve got to think a guy who wears a turtle-neck deserves a sound beating even without the slew foot.

    The turtleneck, it’s kind of like Phil Mickelson wearing his watch on the golf course. A tiny thing like that makes me automatically hate the guy which probably is non-sensical, but…there it is.

  168. DeBakey says:

    Gregor talking out of his Ass?
    That's a first.

    I did a quick survey of teams who are under
    1 PPG [out of play-offs].
    I looked at their UFA D-men, hoping one could be picked up to help out in this crises.

    There are 10 regulars,
    easily divided into 2 categories,
    -Top-4, TOI & QC, and
    -Bottom-4

    "Top-4" sorted in +/- order:
    -KUBA
    -HAVELID
    -ZANON
    -MALIK
    -SCHNEIDER

    one of these guys will probably cost a hefty chunk of assets.

    Meanwhile, the
    Bottom-4, sorted in +/- order:
    -KOISTINEN
    -TJARNQVIST
    -LEOPOLD
    -POCK
    -DEVRIES

    Maybe we can see the return of Shaggy!

  169. Wrath says:

    Scott said:
    "If you're going to rag on the Habs for caring about their past you can't do it with examples from 1981. That's silly."
    First of all re-read the comment & realize that I didnt say anything about "caring about their past"
    Secondly accusing people of saying/doing things that they very obviously didnt is what is silly here pal…
    and if you want a more recent example how about Feb 11/`09 when the mighty Oil "manhandled" the lowly habs & the next Patrick Roy 7-2 choke on that shit…

  170. kris says:

    So Coach,

    The Flames should be renamed the “Phony Cowboy Douches”?

    And I have to disagree. I think in a match up between the Calgary “Phony-Cowboy Douches” and the “Nazi Child Molesters” from Hades, I’d cheer for the team from Hades.

  171. Wrath says:

    and the examples from `81 were meant as an example of how my hatred for them was quelled… just the sheer arrogance of a man to completely underestimate a man like Gretzky even in `81… our best, your best???… end of discussion

  172. Ribs says:

    Gregor explains himself, kind of, in the comments…
    As for Daum, I wrote this after game and was more making light of the fact that Daum has a huge task ahead of him. If the Falcons play .500 the rest of the way that will be considered a success. I spoke to Daum today and he joked that he will ask assistant coaches David Bell and Gerry Fleming what the speech was because it worked for the start of the game. ha

    Kind of funny.

  173. Jonathan Willis says:

    Always liked Leopold and Tjarnqvist – both made of glass, but if they’re healthy now, what are the odds they get hurt before the end of the season?

    Outside of those two, I’d imagine Marek Malik wouldn’t cost very much at all.

  174. Jonathan Willis says:

    Incidentally, as a guy who makes minor assumptions that turn into larger errors all the time, I’d cut Gregor a little slack there.

    It’s an easy mistake to make, and the sloppier format of a blog makes it easier still.

  175. Lord Bob says:

    Stupid freakin’ Hossa. Why is the only guy in the NHL who refuses to sign with the highest bidder the guy who we’re the highest bidder on?

    (Hey, Doug Weight, Curtis Joseph, Bill Guerin, Ryan Smyth, Roman Hamrlik, Janne Niinimaa, Todd Marchant, well you get the point: SCREW YOU GUYS!)

  176. Jfry says:

    it’s situations like this with grabs/lubi going down where we were all hoping that hrabal was the real deal, right?

  177. Coach pb9617 says:

    The Flames should be renamed the “Phony Cowboy Douches”?

    And I have to disagree. I think in a match up between the Calgary “Phony-Cowboy Douches” and the “Nazi Child Molesters” from Hades, I’d cheer for the team from Hades.

    I dunno, they should have been renamed when the team was moved. It’s a silly moniker for a team from Calgary.

    How about something sensible? Mountaineers, Wildcatters, Bulls, Broncos, Wolves, Cougars, Mountain Lions, Grizzlies, I’m sure there are loads of others that make more sense than “Flames” for an Albertan team.

  178. Jonathan Willis says:

    Jfry: Yeah, no kidding. Hrabal and Chorney. And well we’re at it, this is one of those spots where it would be nice if Mathieu Roy hadn’t jumped down the elevator shaft.

  179. Oilman says:

    Plekanic suspended for 2 games

  180. pboy says:

    The Flames should be renamed the “Phony Cowboy Douches”?

    And I have to disagree. I think in a match up between the Calgary “Phony-Cowboy Douches” and the “Nazi Child Molesters” from Hades, I’d cheer for the team from Hades.

    I dunno, they should have been renamed when the team was moved. It’s a silly moniker for a team from Calgary.

    How about something sensible? Mountaineers, Wildcatters, Bulls, Broncos, Wolves, Cougars, Mountain Lions, Grizzlies, I’m sure there are loads of others that make more sense than “Flames” for an Albertan team.

    Sorry Coach, I’m gonna have to vote for the Calgary Phony Cowboy Douches. It says it all about that team.

  181. Bruce says:

    Plekanic suspended for 2 games

    I’d rather he was suspended from 1 ceiling.

    Having had a day to cool off I’m more pissed off at him than ever, which speaks to the egregious nature of the offence. It was nothing less than reckless disregard of a fellow player’s safety.

  182. Rich says:

    //Incidentally, as a guy who makes minor assumptions that turn into larger errors all the time, I’d cut Gregor a little slack there.

    It’s an easy mistake to make, and the sloppier format of a blog makes it easier still.//

    Jonathan, as someone who makes enough mistakes in the day I agree with you. If I hadn’t checked “Coming Down the Pipe” I’d of made the same assumption.

    Sometimes it pays to read the best blogs before making the wrong assumptions. They’re even better than the MSM!

  183. Doogie2K says:

    Doogie – I think you’ve lost the room ;)

    That would require me to have the room at some point. ;)

    Actually, I’m surprised no one’s tried to throw that two-game suspension in my face yet; that would fail because I never said it wasn’t dangerous, just that it didn’t seem malicious to me, but I can see someone trying.

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