Oilers at Kings, G55/08-09

I think it must be fairly difficult to be a successful professional hockey player in Los Angeles. There are a lot of activities and distractions. Historically, the Los Angeles Kings have played like a team with one eye on the ice and the other checking out the crowd.

Here’s hoping the young Kings have that problem today. The Kings offer us a really nice look into the future and are the counter argument to flusing the season. You can say the current Oilers should flush the season, trade Roloson to the Wings for a pick or a prospect, and live to fight another day.

However, they’re already behind several teams who are in rebuild mode (Chicago the obvious example) and some of the trailing teams (LA, PHX) are coming on strong.

The Los Angeles Kings are frightening now that they have goaltending. They are loaded:

  • Drew Doughty is 19.
  • Oscar Moller and Wayne Simmonds are 20.
  • Anze Kopitar is 21.
  • Jack Johnson is 22.
  • Jonathan Quick is 23.
  • Dustin Brown and Patrick O’Sullivan are 24.

Let’s compare that group to the Oilers:

  • Sam Gagner is 19.
  • Andrew Cogliano is 21.
  • Ladislav Smid is 23.
  • Robert Nilsson and Kyle Brodziak are 24.

Talk rebuild all you want, that ship has sailed and the contenders for a Stanley in 2012 are miles ahead. The Edmonton Oilers are as they’ve been since the Messier trade: between a rock and a hard place. I think the better plan is to add a few pieces and get Hemsky, Horcoff and Gilbert some more playoff experience (in Gilbert’s case his next playoff game will be the first).

Either way, the Oilers have to address defense today. This time next week may be too late.

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  1. Lowetide says:

    Let’s not go crazy with regard to Peckham here. He’s playing some pretty tough competition here with 4line forwards (from what I can see) often enough that I’d be willing to bet the coach isn’t as concerned about that matchup as the rest of us.

    As for Peckham not being ready for 5-6 in the fall, I don’t know how we could draw that conclusion from this small of a look.

    Plus Strudwick isn’t exactly Cory Cross back there.

  2. Bank Shot says:

    Seconded. I love how certain segments of the local media and fanbase have said that since puck-moving defenseman are a strength on this roster, and that tough checking defensemen and experience at centre are weaknesses, trading Stoll and Greene for Visnovsky was a mistake. Give your head a shake.

    It’s wasn’t a mistake, but Lowe could have just as easily flopped Pitkanen for Kuba, and have gotten a good defenseman without creating holes in other parts of the roster.

    Lowe’s always removing three parts to add one.

  3. Dennis says:

    I will never forget when Gregor’s second in command laughed at me lauding Hejda and said his numbers were being pumped by Foote!:)

    JW: at this point, it’s clear what the Oilers need and what they need to move in order to get it. It would be a help right now if 26 was doing anything other than drawing penalties and that was a good idea in theory that simply isn’t working out. But I can’t fault Lowe for trying it.

    The problem offensively is 89 isn’t covering the soft min bet that’s afforded to him by all of 10′s heavy lifting and 12′s up and down and 26 is having a rough year.

    The good news is that if we could persuade 44 to move along, we’d still have a good stable of dmen and we might get a forward for him.

    LT: I make the 71 trade all day every day as well. Bruce has a good ponit that we invested so many GP in Greene and now it’s paying off for LA so my point is that we should’ve perhaps moved 5 and kept Greene.

    I was one of the ones who thought Stoll would bounce back but we could’ve still moved him and brought back Reasoner for what is now 13′s role and in the process moved 13 into a more offensive role and kept him for posting a 25%faceoff pct.

    Once again, the plan looks flawed.

  4. mc79hockey says:

    Dennis – I liked that comment you made better when I read it for the first time on CNN/SI in 2004.

  5. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: Gotcha. I’d be in favor of moving Smid right now, though. And that could result in the same kind of result one year from now.

  6. Schitzo says:

    now it’s paying off for LA so my point is that we should’ve perhaps moved 5 and kept Greene.

    Which might be why, if we offered 16 + 5, LA insisted on 2 instead.

  7. Jonathan Willis says:

    Bank Shot: Is moving Stoll really opening up a hole? Sure he looks good this year, but last season he was an offensive sinkhole, especially at evens, and he was -23 on top of it.

    The hole was created by not re-signing Reasoner. Beyond that, no hole was created in the defense because Visnovsky >>> Greene.

  8. Lowetide says:

    Dandy. Just fucking dandy.

  9. Asiaoil says:

    Worst…wrist shot…ever

  10. Jonathan Willis says:

    Well, he looks OK on the bench. Hopefully nothing major.

  11. Icecastles says:

    Do you think Edmonton’s unwillingness to crowd the net is due in part to their relative lack of size? Maybe they’re just afraid of being pushed off the puck when having to battle in tight. I can’t think of another reason that *all* their PP offence seems to come from the point shots.

    Please tell the that Scorecoff is okay.

  12. mc79hockey says:

    This Kings PK has to be one of the most aggressive setups in the league.

  13. shepso says:

    slewfoots should be an automatic 2-5 game suspension even if there’s no injury on the play. That was real dirty

  14. Jonathan Willis says:

    Nice work on the PP to take advantage of the LA forwards cheating to the point. That’s been a definite plus this game.

  15. Lowetide says:

    Icecastles: Lots of offense comes from the point on the PP because that’s where much of the skill is this season. Souray and Visnovsky were brought in to improve the production and have done just that during the year.

    I think Cole’s offense (or lack thereof) might help but mostly it’s a matter of roster makeup imo.

  16. danny says:

    Thats a few in a row against LA now. EDM needs to finish, because the next call will be against them more than likely. We all know what happens there.

    Thank you goal post.

  17. Icecastles says:

    God, I could have sworn *Edmonton* was on the PP. :P

  18. danny says:

    disregard my previous post.

  19. Bruce says:

    Bruce has a good ponit that we invested so many GP in Greene and now it’s paying off for LA so my point is that we should’ve perhaps moved 5 and kept Greene.

    Dennis: I would (and have!) make the identical point about both Greene and Smid. Whereas you were always into playing one off against the other, I have always liked both, and continue to. My bet is that both will be in the NHL for another 8-12 years. Hoepfully Oiler fans will enjoy the long-term gain for at least one of them. For sure we endured the short-term pain for both.

    Beyond that, no hole was created in the defense because Visnovsky >>> Greene.

    Surely the equation was Visnovsky >>> Pitkanen. The two trades were virtually joined at the hip. The other equation is that Souray (healthy) >>> Greene, which is what enabled Steady Steve to move down into the thid pairing when all hands were on deck. And that said, IMO Greene >>> Staios.

  20. RiversQ says:

    The Oilers are incredibly lucky just to be in the game at this point.

  21. Icecastles says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely agree, but I don’t think it needs to be an either/or proposition on the PP. The hard point shots should be able to get initial shots too the net where someone (ie a forward) is able to capitalize on rebounds.

    It seems instead that we get that great shot that is saveable but hard for the goalie to control, but then an opposing D-Man just skates in and clears the zone with only a token challenge from any Oilers.

    The point men should be a major augment *to* the powerplay. I don’t think they should *be* the powerplay. We have too many forwards with great hands who should be able to either tip shots in or corral rebounds for good secondary efforts.

  22. Bank Shot says:

    The hole was created by not re-signing Reasoner. Beyond that, no hole was created in the defense because Visnovsky >>> Greene.

    Yea, but the Visnovsky trade was made to replace Pitkanen’s minutes not Greene’s.

    The sphere used alot of ink on how good Pitkanen was, and he wasn’t as good a scorer as Visnovsky but he could be used on the PK a little.

    So Lowe replaced Pitkanen with another good defender making alot of money that is not without flaws.

    Lowe’s moves were flashy, but they weren’t slam dunks IMO.

  23. Bruce says:

    Man, Gilbert has to protect the puck better than that. 2-1 lead, third period powerplay, and he gives away a clear breakaway?

    This sort of shit has been happening against our PP far too much.

  24. Bank Shot says:

    Stoll was every bit the PP defenceman that Visnovsky is, and he plays the PK.

    OIlers just needed to replace Pitkanen’s ES minutes which they probably could have done with a cheaper guy rather then going for the big name player.

  25. Dennis says:

    Ty: say that to my face and things will end badly for you.

    /Brownleed.

  26. RiversQ says:

    Bruce: The point with Smid is that the Oilers never should have paid the price that they have with him. The 06-07 season was utter madness. They wasted money, they wasted years of service and they wasted big league minutes. There are developmental leagues for a reason.

    Greene is arguably a separate issue. Eventually you do have to burn some NHL minutes on the young guys, you’d just prefer to always put them in a position to succeed. Especially dmen.

  27. Jonathan Willis says:

    Every so often, I like Moreau.

  28. RiversQ says:

    That was great by Moreau. That’s how you settle a score.

  29. Asiaoil says:

    Wow…Moreau actually looks like a captain for a change.

  30. RiversQ says:

    Ha ha. It was also awesome how Moreau said “Boom” and then laughed while watching the replay in the box.

  31. Dennis says:

    LT: I’m not prepared to say that things are automatically clicking in for 5 and if he can’t hang in the top four for the rest of the season then we’ll have a pretty good idea of the money we’d have to pay to lock him up.

    I’m not tearing my ass off to trade him because his contract isn’t a problem, he has shown some improvement and I doubt he has much value.

  32. Jonathan Willis says:

    Stoll was every bit the PP defenceman that Visnovsky is, and he plays the PK.

    He was coming off multiple concussions, and had already had his “big shot on the powerplay” role covered by Souray (one of the reasons the Souray signing was so confusing, btw).

    OIlers just needed to replace Pitkanen’s ES minutes which they probably could have done with a cheaper guy rather then going for the big name player.

    Is Visnovsky the #1 defenseman on this team? I’d argue that he is, and especially so at even strength.

    Why wouldn’t you want to add a #1 defenseman to your team at the cost of a pair of question marks?

    Particularly if that trade means you can swap Pitkanen for Cole and bring in a really good forward (albeit one that hasn’t lived up to expectations this year). Don’t those trades both fall under the category of improving the team?

  33. danny says:

    FSN had a nice angle on that Staios pass directly into his partners feet.

  34. Bruce says:

    Wow, what a hit. I may have to retract my comment about Smid playing 8-12 years the way he keeps getting smoked out there. He takes more punishing hits than almost anyone, it seems. Nice to see Moreau clock that fucker Brown in response.

  35. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: I’d say Smid has some value.

  36. Jonathan Willis says:

    We talked about the age difference between Cogliano/Gagner above. Why aren’t we doing the same for Smid/Greene?

    Greene’s three years older than Smid, and came into his own this season. I’d say Smid looks at least as good as Greene did last year, despite being two years younger now than Greene was last year.

    Smid’s a piece you build around going forward, IMO, especially given that his contract isn’t likely to be super expensive.

  37. shepso says:

    quick stat update, Penner is 100% on the draw, Brodz 75% and the Hobbit is chipping in at 67%. Stoll for LA with all the hype surrounding his skills, 4/10.

  38. Bruce says:

    Fuck. Right. Off.

    That’s a battle for the puck, and a Blatant dive.

  39. Jonathan Willis says:

    Brown: 2 minutes for diving.

  40. Icecastles says:

    Nooooooooo!!!!

    Worst. Timed. Call. Ever. :(

  41. HBomb says:

    I fucking hate Dustin Brown. Nice dive, you piece of shit. Add that to a dirty hit on Smid and the trip on Cogliano, and it’s a shame that Moreau didn’t put him into the Eric Lindros concussion ward.

  42. danny says:

    8.5 for Browns 2nd dive.

    He improved is release, a little lose on the leap.

  43. Gord says:

    As for Hejda, he’s putting up a team-leading plus in Columbus playing the toughs while drawing only 2 million a season.

    Hejda is tied for 8th best +/- defenseman in the league.

    Considering those above him have a major team +/- advantage while Columbus does not leads me to believe Hejda is an All-Star defensively…

  44. Lowetide says:

    I’m actually okay with that penalty on Cogliano. It was an effort play and although the play was covered without him Cogs is just a kid still and showed a lot of try.

  45. RiversQ says:

    Terrible call there. Should have been 2min each.

  46. Icecastles says:

    Sometimes I wonder why Roli bothers to even come into the game with a stick.

  47. Asiaoil says:

    Nice dive by Brown – but Cogs can’t put himself into a position where he let’s the ref make that call. Brown – a hit from behind, a slew-foot and a dive. Claude Lemieux reborn.

  48. Jonathan Willis says:

    Icecastles: Or a helmet. Wait, no, he needs to use that helmet to get whistles ;)

  49. Schitzo says:

    bahahaha Stoll with the broken stick. Karma, bitches.

  50. mc79hockey says:

    Who would’ve thought that Stoll could break a stick on a shot like that?

    Horc overcommitted there on Kopitar. Can’t do that when you’re effectively down two men.

  51. Jonathan Willis says:

    This is one of those games where I really think the refs want to give the game to LA.

  52. Icecastles says:

    Fucking fuck!!

  53. Asiaoil says:

    Wow bad call on the off-side

  54. HBomb says:

    Intentional offside leads to a PP goal? No tripping call?

    Utter fucking bullshit.

  55. Bruce says:

    LT: Cogs' mistake was on the centring pass that led to the breakout. Oil were pouring it on and both hjis linemates were in deep.

    THAT's NOT A PENALTY??/!!! AND INTENTIONAL OFFSIDE>???

  56. mc79hockey says:

    I take it the zebras are aware that LA is a marquee market and Edmonton isn’t.

  57. danny says:

    WTF WAS THAT???

    Where was the hooking call? Interference??

  58. B.C.B. says:

    that was not offside, the Fox feed replayed it and it never crossed the blueline.

    Fuck.

  59. Scarlett says:

    Faceoff NEVER should have been in the Oilers zone. Wow, refs are screwing the Oil.

  60. Lowetide says:

    Dustin Brown. Lordy.

  61. Bruce says:

    I am incensed.

  62. Dennis says:

    Faceoffs don’t matter; unless you keep losing them.

  63. RiversQ says:

    JW: Good point. Smid never should have been an NHLer in 06-07 just like Gagner should have been in junior last year. The Oilers like to piss money away I guess.

  64. shepso says:

    fuck fuck brown dive bad call epic fail now gets goal…fuck fuck shit fuck

  65. Dennis says:

    Dustin brown with the Claude Lemieux hat-trick: a dirty hit, a dive and a goal.

  66. Lowetide says:

    Well, if God is an Oiler fan Horcoff wins it clean and Souray scores with the puck going through the heart of Brown.

  67. HBomb says:

    I don’t care if it’s OT, I want to see Souray grab Brown and club him to within an inch of his life.

    Wristguard, forearm, I don’t give a flying fuck.

    LA’s moving on to my list of hated teams awfully fast here.

  68. Bruce says:

    That’s the closed thing to crooked officiating I’ve seen in a very long time. Two screw job calls at the same time, one by the refaand one by the linesman. Why don’t they just take up a stick and put the puck in the net themselves?

    That’s just criminal officiating right there.

  69. mc79hockey says:

    This is a point that the Oil don’t deserve, of course. Still, need to tie up that second one here.

  70. shepso says:

    that never should’ve been an offside call. Where was the trip? Bad refs double fail…this is really brutal. The refs shouldn’t have that much power over the game. Bullshit. Bullshit.

  71. Bruce says:

    I hope somebody is prepared to take a fine. It’ll be worth it.

  72. Asiaoil says:

    That was a pathetic series of officiating – you can’t make the call on Cogs and then not make the call when Brodz gets taken out exactly the same way – add on the lame intentional off-side call that leads directly to the goal and you know why the NHL is a bush-league. Bad calls in the NFL that make the mainstream news are just an every day event in the NHL.

  73. Icecastles says:

    I want Zorg to fight the ref.

  74. Jonathan Willis says:

    The homer LA commentators are not helping my mood.

    “Well they’re finding a way to score!”

    “Look at that shot!”

  75. shepso says:

    could someone (ie Moreau) take out Dustin Brown…long term?

  76. Jonathan Willis says:

    “Both teams have shootout type players – well every team does, but…. well they have lots of good young players.”

    Thanks for that, LA broadcast team.

  77. Jonathan Willis says:

    could someone (ie Moreau) take out Dustin Brown…long term?

    Add Jack Johnson and Denis Gauthier to that list while you’re at it.

  78. HBomb says:

    With this crooked officiating and dirty play from the Kings, it really DOES feel like the early 1990′s right now.

  79. HBomb says:

    Ok, LA’s getting thrown in the pile with Calgary, Vancouver, Anaheim, Toronto, Dallas, Nashville, Carolina, Minnesota, and New Jersey after this one.

    Take THAT Jack Johnson. 37 seconds of PP time. Souray slapshot, off Brown’s skull, in the net.

  80. shepso says:

    way to draw that penalty Ladi!

  81. Lowetide says:

    Ladislav Orr with a nice play there and the ref (Bryan Berard) called it.

  82. Jonathan Willis says:

    Jack Johnson. What a clown.

    Now the LA broadcast team are praising the fairness of the refereeing.

  83. Phil says:

    If the new definition of hooking is having your stick parallel to the ice in an opponent’s midsection, then Cogliano was hooked twice when he broke in there.

  84. Bruce says:

    LT: Wasn’t that one on Bobby Orr? 2:22 left in regulation as I recall, a perfect sweep check from behind to thwart a partial breakaway, and Mr. Stripes let the Spectrum crowd call it. Not only did Boston have to kill a penalty in the dying seconds, down 1-0, they had to do so with the best player on the planet sitting in the box. A truly Horrible call.

    This one isn’t of the same magnitude of game obviously, but the combination of multiple screw jobs on one play has few precedents IMO. I am still incensed.

  85. RiversQ says:

    They have let a lot of stickwork go in this game too. These Kings are a little mid-90′s in terms of style.

  86. HBomb says:

    Whoever coaches the Oiler PP should be fired. Honestly, every single fucking player is standing completely still. Terrible!

  87. Asiaoil says:

    not much to say about how bad that 4-3 was…

  88. danny says:

    I’m still f’n disgusted over that Brown penalty, no-call on Brodz and offsides gift.

    Why does this always happen?

    Are the Oilers chirpers? Do they lose favour of the ref by games end?

  89. Jonathan Willis says:

    Maybe we could have a replay of that shot Souray took against Van that hurt Burrows and Bieksa.

    Replace Burrows and Bieksa with Gauthier and Brown, though.

  90. Lowetide says:

    Whatever has happened to this point doesn’t matter. Oilers need this point badly.

  91. Dennis says:

    So, this is at least a -1 when it comes to HTH vs LA and we could be shaping up for a -3.

    BTW, just the other night 89 admitted he’s been shit in the SO since he started out 5 for 7 so let’s get that out of the way.

    And I’d stop fucking around and I’d go 83 right off the bat. Then 12-89 or perhaps 78 with that backhand shelf move.

  92. Jonathan Willis says:

    The mid-1990′s? It’s nice to see that Terry Murray’s feeling traditional.

  93. HBomb says:

    If LA wins this, I do not care how slanted the chances were, the Oilers had a lead late and it WILL be a 3-point swing in the standings thanks to terrible officiating.

    Gagner, Hemsky, Nilsson….up to you three.

  94. mc79hockey says:

    Weird thing about the PP…Souray kind of had the idea with about 15 seconds left to try and drop below the guy up high, which would have either given Hemsky a seam to hit with the pass or the opportunity to curl up high and then he pulls up. Odd play.

  95. Lowetide says:

    Bruce: It was. I actually deleted the post because not remembering it was Orr is a cardinal sin. :-)

  96. Phil says:

    c’mon, Roli. Just a few more.

  97. Jonathan Willis says:

    O’Sullivan: Fail.

    I don’t know why so many shooters go slow.

  98. HBomb says:

    O’Sullivan, Frolov, Johnson

    vs.

    Gagner, Nilsson, Hemsky

    (What, no Liam Reddox?)

    O’Sullivan stopped by Roloson, Gagner goes high glove side and beats Quick. Advantage Oil!

  99. Lowetide says:

    Sam Gagner. Yes.

  100. Phil says:

    Nice how he’s been coming in with more speed on the last few shootouts.

  101. HBomb says:

    The only guy on the Kings I like, Frolov, stopped by Roloson.

    Nilsson with a chance to win it.

  102. Lowetide says:

    Shine box, Robbie!

  103. Jonathan Willis says:

    Rowbert! And yet again, the team who goes second in the shootout wins.

    That’s your theory, right, Tyler?

  104. shepso says:

    mini magic with an ugly one, but I’ll take it

  105. Asiaoil says:

    FU LA….dirty bastards deserved that result even though they outplayed us.

  106. HBomb says:

    Nilsson with the pseudo-Forsberg!

    Fuck you Dustin Brown, fuck you Jack Johnson, fuck you Denis Gauthier, fuck you referees!!!!!

  107. danny says:

    FSN says “Oilers with the bonus point in the shootout”

    Id argue the Bonus Point was awarded with about 45 secs left in regulation.

  108. Phil says:

    Big point. All hail Roli; huge game.

  109. Dennis says:

    that’s just a beautiful move from 89 right there; holds up and then goes change of pace and has a little smack talk for Quick afterwards.

    But was 12 allowed to shoot that puck over the line? that came off a deke but wasn’t that sorta a double-hit?

    great job by Roli today on the rebound control and no bad goals allowed.

    Awful job by the PP by squandering away three PP opps in the third period.

    I have the first period scored and I watched the last two online but taped the game back home. I’ll have the game result up sometime tomorrow.

  110. Bruce says:

    Let’s forget about the obvious interference as Brodziak blew past the defenceman to go for the empty net breakaway that seals it. The puck gets tied up at the blueline and:

    1) never exits the zone, so isn’t offide

    - or -

    2) just barely exits the zone, and Horcoff doesn’t quite keep it in so it’s certainly not intentional

    - and also -

    3) it’s a dump in by Horcoff on the contination which is a legal play. It’s a DELAYED offside until another Oiler touches the puck. The linesman should never have blown the whistle period.

    4) What’s that you say? Intentional offside?

    That linesman deserves to be fined within an inch of his pay cheque.

  111. Phil says:

    I was thinking that too, Dennis. Not only that, but he pretty much stopped his forward momentum…

  112. RiversQ says:

    Yes folks, when Dennis says he “taped” the game, that is really what he means. Isn’t he quaint?

  113. Bruce says:

    LT: I’ll never forget that play. A brilliant defensive gem by Orr with everything on the line and Mr. Zebra decides the Stanley Cup.

    Dennis: No double hit cuz Quick never touched the puck so it wasn’t a rebound. I’d rather he just let it dribble in though, Quick was gone into the corner.

    Glad to see Row-bert involved in the outcome. I thought he was absolutely terrific out there today.

  114. HBomb says:

    People still record on VHS? Really?

  115. godot10 says:

    //And I’d stop fucking around and I’d go 83 right off the bat. Then 12-89 or perhaps 78 with that backhand shelf move.//

    Hemsky sucks as the opening shooter in a shootout. He does better when the pressure is on shooting third.

    As for the powerplay, somebody has to tell Hemsky to challenge/attack the box himself occasionally, and not only pass the puck from the side boards.

  116. shep says:

    cornell vs harvard here: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-3478.html

    nash is nr 14 right?

  117. Chris says:

    Nice to see the Oilers come out on the right side of the ledger on a night of good goaltending. Roloson looked like he had a bit of jump left in his old bones tonight.

  118. HBomb says:

    Hunter: Hejda’s +12, playing against the toughest opposition. The next best +/- on Columbus is Marc Methot (3rd pairing minutes) and his +7.

    Plus he does it for 2M a season, and when he jumped ship it was on a 1yr/1M deal. HBomb’s bitter about it.

    Bitter’s an understatement. This team fancies itself eventually being like the Detroit Red Wings – said team would not make a mistake like that.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Hey Dennis,

    My wedding is on BETA if you’d like to score that one.

  120. Bruce says:

    Dennis: VHS or Betamax?

    This is a point that the Oil don’t deserve, of course. Still, need to tie up that second one here.

    MC: Tell Dwayne Roloson the Oilers didn’t deserve both of those points. Last time I checked the goalie was part of the team. Today our ‘tender made the difference.

    It was a great battle by Roli under pretty extreme pressure all afternoon … the shootout was a breeze by comparison.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Shep: Yep, Nash is 14. He PK’s and plays the powerplay too, so you’ll see him quite a bit.

  122. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: Beta format was way better than VHS.

    Two things happened though:

    1) Sanyo wouldn’t let the technology spread.

    And, more importantly…

    2) The porn industry standardized on VHS. That was the beginning of the end right there.

  123. Lowetide says:

    Well I knew BETA was screwed as soon as I bought one.

  124. HBomb says:

    Roloson playing well is a no-lose situation.

    If the team is still in it at the deadline, great. If not, you’d have to think Detroit gives up a 1st rounder for him, no?

  125. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: I feel sorry for all those people who bought HDDVD players. Damn I’m glad I went BluRay (via a PS3).

  126. Lowetide says:

    If they trade Roloson to Detroit, I think they should insist on this guy:

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=90926

    http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospects/smith.php

  127. Lowetide says:

    Yeah, I went the same route. My son takes care of all the research now I just pony up.

  128. danny says:

    Columbus scores, 1-0. Mike Commodore.

    Anyone else see similarities with CLB and the 05’06 Oilers ?

    If they make the dance, they have the goaltending, defensive play and Coach to compete in a 7 game series.

  129. HBomb says:

    If you want to truly enjoy BluRay Lowetide, rent the 2006 version of “Casino Royale” and watch the first 20 minutes. It’s ridiculous.

  130. HBomb says:

    Columbus has beaten San Jose twice this year, I believe. They could give the Sharks huge headaches.

  131. hunter1909 says:

    As a matter of fact, VHS was an inferior system to betamax, but was more aggressively marketed. So the world ended up with an inferior system thanks to advertising.

    DVD’s totally stink. Everything they were hyped as being has turned out to be a big fat fucking lie. The sooner everything ends up totally digitalised the better.

  132. Lowetide says:

    I bought this back in the day:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elcassette

  133. Coach pb9617 says:

    For all the issues with this team, the top line combo of Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky is most certainly not one of them.

    Imagine where the team would be if they would have started the year together and STAYED together.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Coach: In fairness, there was no established level for that line heading into the season.

    !

  135. Bruce says:

    Bruce: The point with Smid is that the Oilers never should have paid the price that they have with him. The 06-07 season was utter madness. They wasted money, they wasted years of service and they wasted big league minutes. There are developmental leagues for a reason.

    RQ: That ’06-07 season was utter madness for a lot of reasons. Smid was about #2 or 3 on the depth chart before the season was out, and guys like Bryan Young, Danny Syvret, Sebastien Bisaillon, and even Toby Petersen got time on the blue. It was a triage unit, and to blame the Oilers for overusing Smid — as Dennis is still prone to doing a couple times a week :) — is to overlook some of the realities of that nightmare stretch.

    W.r.t. the long term strategy of developing top young blueline prospects within the NHL, it may be madness, but the Oilers were hardly straying from the beaten path in their treatment of young Smid. Back in training camp I did a study on Smid’s development compared to other top-10 draft picks over an extended period and found his development curve in terms of GP to be right in the middle of the pack.

    As for wasting years of service, if the guy can be unrestricted at age 27 or after 7 years of service there’s no reason to hold him back after age 20. You’re only “wasting” years if you play the guy as an underage, and even then there are arguments in favour if the guy is ready (e.g. Drew Doughty, Luke Schenn). Smid wasn’t ready at 18 or even 20, but whether his experience in 2006-07 was at the NHL or AHL level makes zero difference w.r.t. his next contract, other than he might be a little further advanced as a player and therefore a little more expensive but which is otherwise a good thing.

  136. Lord Bob says:

    Remember, though. No matter how long we keep sustaining it, shootout success is not sustainable.

  137. HBomb says:

    Coach: In fairness, there was no established level for that line heading into the season.

    Sarcasm: official native language of the Oilogosphere.

  138. PunjabiOil says:

    Bittersweet victory.

    Sweet in the sense it’s a win, and moves the Oilers to 7th.

    Bitter in the sense that Lowebellini do sweet fuck all when there are significant issues on the blueline.

    Pony up a 3rd or 4th rounder and get yourselves a defenceman. Sure, there must be someone out there who is an improvement over Peckham/Strudwick.

    I don’t know how long this win streak will last without a change on the blueline. You can’t ride Souray and Gilbert that hard for a long period of time.

  139. Coach pb9617 says:

    The non-interference call on Quincey was terrible officiating. That was horrendous – the refs should be suspended immediately.

  140. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: In fairness, there was no established level for that line heading into the season.

    True. On a PPG basis, they were only top a 15 line in the league. You can’t win with that. Gotta find another combo, hopefully one where Penner is traded to another team.

    By the bye – Penner was damn good today.

  141. danny says:

    CLB 2 CAR 0 (2nd)

    CLB enroute to 4th straight victory.

    April 12th. LT = CLB Blog. Book it.

  142. HBomb says:

    Anyone in Edmonton with Shaw cable but no Centre Ice – Hawks vs. Stars on WGN tonight!

    222 if you’ve got HD….and no, I don’t go for dinner until 9:30pm, so I get to watch this in the meantime.

  143. Lowetide says:

    HBomb: Shouldn’t you be brushing up on “sensitive” stuff. Like:

    1. Man, that Anderson Cooper ever a good reporter.

    2. Stupid stuff your friends have done that you can pass along to ensure she knows you’re “not like that.”

    3. How’s your breath? Are you sure?

    4. When she says “my Dad’s name is Sam” will your mind wander to Gagner’s shootout goal?

    Think, man.

    :-)

  144. Chris says:

    LT you’ve already told him to get a bottle of wine, just make sure its a good one so that everything he says is that much more charming. Reislings are good for that.

  145. Doogie2K says:

    It was a triage unit, and to blame the Oilers for overusing Smid — as Dennis is still prone to doing a couple times a week :) — is to overlook some of the realities of that nightmare stretch.

    I think it’s perfectly fair to blame the Oilers — Lowe or MacTavish, whomever — for putting Smid in the top four while Jan Fucking Hejda rotted in the PB for most of the first half.

  146. Dennis says:

    Riv: Way to take a stab and then allow everyone to join in;)!

    But, yeah, I’m still working from a non-HD TV and I’d had sat gear for years but I still don’t have a PVR. I’m a cheap fuck who knows the value of a dollar and the prices really haven’t dropped low enough as of yet in order for me to justify upgrading.

    LT: that was a nice dig about scoring the wedding:)

    Bruce: what I didn’t like about #5 in the top four that season was it was foisted upon us and the Oilers lied about his abilities. He was placed there for optics and I’m all about meritocracy.

    Regarding this D, it’s just as well for Lowe to start selling if he doesn’t buy in the next week or so. We Might squeek out another SO win on Mon in Phx but then we might get railed for the next three following games.

    The oil just don’t have the backline horses right now. And they won’t get a lot of help up front in terms of scoring.

    One odd thing about today was how many point-blank chances the Oil had. Everyone’s talked about the 89opp that could’ve lead to a 3-0 lead and preceded the scrap with Johnson but 13 was stoned twice and Quick made a super save from the slot just as time expired in the second period.

    It was a feast or famine thing where the Oilers were starving for the vast majority of the game but whenever they were given food it was fine dining.

    See how I brought it back to HB’s upcoming date?:)

  147. Lowetide says:

    Dennis: I read my wife your line and she giggled. We’re into the second bottle of wine and I’m thinking it might be good day sunshine.

    As for HBomb, I expect a W tonight.

  148. HBomb says:

    Funny thing Lowetide – this girl thinks Anderson Cooper is sexy. I don’t even watch Anderson Cooper – CNN isn’t in HD, I can’t be bothered.

    My only problem is that I don’t know much about wine. For my knowledge of spirits, highballs, and beer….wine I know little about.

    I’m hoping for a win tonight. Even if it comes in a shootout. At the very least, I’d like to get the momentum going in the right direction prior to the stretch drive.

  149. HBomb says:

    Oh, and if you’re not watching Chicago/Dallas right now, you’re missing the Martin Havlat show.

    I’m starting to think this team, the Hawks, could win the Cup THIS season. They’re young, but damn they’re solid. They could use a center though, and Sharp went down with some sort of injury tonight, likely his knee….for their sake, hopefully it’s nothing serious.

  150. Lowetide says:

    I’m watching Havlat, he’s a freak. My wife loves me but would follow Anderson Cooper anywhere. Ask the waiter to suggest something. I always do.

  151. HBomb says:

    The waiter’s going to suggest the most damned expensive thing on the menu. But that’s OK. It’s Valentine’s Day and I’m trying to make an impression.

    If Havlat were fully healthy all the time, he’s in the discussion with guys like Hossa, Iginla, Alfredsson and Hemsky when it comes to “best RW in hockey today”. He and Gaborik, same thing….moreso for Gaborik (I swear if he was healthy and not playing for Lemaire, he’d be in Crosby/Ovechkin territory).

  152. Woodguy says:

    Can’t believe that out of all the great restaurants mentioned in this thread, no one mentioned the best one.

    Jack’s Grill on 111st.

    http://www.jacksgrill.ca /spam

    Madison’s is very good.

    Jack’s is better.

    *clap* *clap*

  153. HBomb says:

    Woodguy: I have HEARD of Jack’s Grill, but have never been.

    Price range? Specialties?

    A couple months ago it was drinks, now it’s restaurants.

    Another one I’ve got, but it’s for those among us who live in Calgary or go there on occasion. Smuggler’s Inn on MacLeod, just south of Glenmore. If you think the Sawmill has good prime rib, you ain’t seen nothing yet. I recommend the Smuggler’s Cut,
    Cajun Blackened.

    The salad bar is good and includes soups (the specialty is steak soup, which is essentially chunks of beef in gravy, aka the best idea ever), and they make a spectacular slice of cheesecake for dessert.

    It’s one of the few good reasons to go to Calgary.

  154. HBomb says:

    Speaking of freaks, Mike Green, a guy chosen a few picks after such stalwarts as Robbie Schremp and Kris Chucko in 2004, scored his 22nd goal tonight.

    In the process, he is the first defenseman in NHL history to score a goal in eight consecutive games.

  155. Chris says:

    Jack’s Grill is the best restaraunt I’ve ever been to, thankfully on a recruiters dime when I was in law school. But damn the food was to die for.

  156. Chris says:

    Oh price range, I don’t really recall but I’m pretty sure that it was greater than 50 dollars per person before alcohol. I remember being slightly shocked that food could cost this much..I grew up in a small town.

  157. Doogie2K says:

    Another one I’ve got, but it’s for those among us who live in Calgary or go there on occasion. Smuggler’s Inn on MacLeod, just south of Glenmore. If you think the Sawmill has good prime rib, you ain’t seen nothing yet. I recommend the Smuggler’s Cut,
    Cajun Blackened.

    I haven’t had the Cajun Blackened myself, but I liked their steak sandwich just fine the one time I went. I’d probably go more often, but it’s on the wrong side of the city from me. Nick’s Steakhouse across from McMahon is also pretty good.

    So we have CBJ winning, MIN losing, DAL losing, and PHX up early. NSH is in OT, but I don’t think they count. Not bad, all things considered.

    Finally, Eberle gets his 30th of the year and 100th in the Dub in a losing cause against the Hitmen (5-2).

  158. Showerhead says:

    OK so I finally passed out sometime after Horcoff’s 2-0 goal. What happened after that? :)

  159. Woodguy says:

    HB:

    I lived in Calgary for 7 years. You speak the truth about Smugglers. Once you get past the dark 70′s decor, the prime rib is about as good as prime rib can be.

    Check out http://www.jacksgrill.ca

    You’re looking at $70-$80ish/person before drinks if you have all three courses, and if you are there you should have all 3 courses.

    Its a fine French dining with an emphasis on Albertan red meat (cow, bison, elk, etc.)

    I’ve had duck and chicken etc., but all the red meat dishes are ludicrously delicious.

    Also, I like how MacTavish said post game “there is on linesman in the NHL who makes that offside call, Shane Heyer”

    I can’t remember a more unevenly reffed game.

    There were 3 serious official mistakes on the Brodziak/Horcoff offside debacle. Hard to miss an obvious hook/interference, then mistakenly call and offside, then call it an intentional offside.

    If you would have bet $2 on that trifecta of bad calls happening in one play you could be retired right now.

  160. Woodguy says:

    that should read “one linesman”

    damn blogs with no edit buttons… :)

  161. Dennis says:

    LT: which line? I have so many good ones!;)

    Havlet was an outstanding pick from the sens and he was on those teams that had three premier RW: alfie-hossa-havlat.

    Dude turned into a PPG when the scoring was down but was also injury prone. That same luck followed him to Chi and then all of a sudden the Hawks young fellas started scoring a lot of points but he wasn’t following along like you’d think he would.

    Now he’s been playing with Bolland and Ladd for the longest time and I’ll be damned if he isn’t doing a job in an outscoring role; or at least I know Q was matching that line vs 83 both times they came to Rexall.

    Asthetically he’s always been one of my favorite players to watch.

    Which brings me to Green.

    He’s helter skelter in two of the three zones but he’s got that move down pat where he walks into the high slot and goes shelf and he looks so fucking smooth doing so.

    I looked at his stats the othe day and he had something like 3 goals in his first 90 odd NHL games, right?

    Cue the Smid comparisons from LT!

  162. Hemsky is a gangsta says:

    LT: You would have a better chance with Anderson Cooper than your wife, or for that matter, any woman, would.

  163. Clarkenstein says:

    LT hasn’t posted since 8:02 pm… he’s obviously passed out!!

  164. Cory Klein says:

    @Dennis:
    Thanks for expanding my vocabulary with meritocracy.

  165. Black Dog says:

    I don’t think LT has passed out, I’m thinking … well its Valentine’s Day after all and us old guys know how to play it.

    Lets go HBomb! Clap clap clap clap clap.

    Flames are tuning the Yotes so another two points might be in the offing on this trip. And Minnesota and Dallas got beat real nice.

    What I wonder is where all of this love for Craig Hartsburg as a coach came from. He has had success in junior but in three cracks in the pros he has come up empty. When the Sens let him go its like Scott Bowman himself had been pink slipped.

    What’s it called – Peter Principle? For Hartsburg its WJC and no higher I think.

    As for the Oilers all of the points left on the table are a pisser, they’d be home and cooled, but in any event a playoff spot would be nice. Lets just hope and pray that Lowe doesn’t do anything ridiculous and move Smid or Nilsson or anybody of real value down the road for a rental so thay can go out in six rather than five.

  166. Bruce says:

    I think it’s perfectly fair to blame the Oilers — Lowe or MacTavish, whomever — for putting Smid in the top four while Jan Fucking Hejda rotted in the PB for most of the first half.

    No argument there, I liked Hejda too and he and Gator were a real good pair for a couple of months until Hejda went down, but by then Tjarnqvist was already on the shelf and Staios got hurt and MAB got traded for beans that really were magic but not until next year and Gilbert got called up and then got hurt and by then Smid would have been playing a ton no matter what.

    As for all the Hejda love, I’ll bet I have read 100 times what a mistake Lowe made in letting him go for every 1 time I have read about what a good move Lowe made in picking him up. At a certain point we gotta stop fixating on a 28-year-old rookie who cost us a 7th round pick and played 39 games here 2 years ago and looked like the second coming of Ales Pisa. I’m sure we can all find new stuff to blame Lowe for. :)

  167. Dennis says:

    Bruce: he blows enough air to be at least partially responsible for some of the polar ice cap melting; put it together with Pendergast and Laforge’s carbon bullshit footprint and the Inuits have their their men;)

    Cory Klein: it’s a word that’s been used here before but considering the way the Oilers hire, it’s not one that’s thrown liberally around their head offices:D

    And go LT! Lain, think about Rick Monday stepping up to the plate if you wanna try and make extra innings!

  168. Doogie2K says:

    As for all the Hejda love, I’ll bet I have read 100 times what a mistake Lowe made in letting him go for every 1 time I have read about what a good move Lowe made in picking him up. At a certain point we gotta stop fixating on a 28-year-old rookie who cost us a 7th round pick and played 39 games here 2 years ago and looked like the second coming of Ales Pisa. I’m sure we can all find new stuff to blame Lowe for. :)

    Well, I saw him good in the preseason, and his advanced numbers have always been good, so I feel like I have more right than most to be annoyed. When Joe Fan can tell you from the second tier of the Saddledome you’re making a mistake, something’s very wrong here.

    Besides, I think it’s implicit in saying that letting him go was a dumb move that picking him up in the first place, particularly for the equivalent of a used jock, was brilliant.

  169. Lord Bob says:

    Okay, guys. I know some of you must watch junior ‘A’ hockey, so I have to ask someone with their finger on the pulse of the AJHL: are the Spruce Grove Saints for real?

    The reason I ask is that Victoria is hosting the RBC Cup this year, and the Grizzlies would have a great shot at winning the BCHL and the Doyle Cup even if they weren’t automatically qualified. But I notice that Spruce Grove is running away with the AJHL regular season. Is there a chance that I’m going to have to pick sides in a Grizzlies – Saints game?

    That would be like choosing between my children, if I had any. I’m not sure I could bear it.

  170. Coach pb9617 says:

    That would be like choosing between my children, if I had any. I’m not sure I could bear it.

    It’s the moms that act as Switzerland in every dispute. It’s pretty easy for dads to choose a side in a dispute amongst children. Pick a side and go, regardless of consequences, like Kissinger.

  171. Dennis says:

    Scoring chance breakdown from last night

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3067

  172. Bruce says:

    Dennis: Agreed on Laforge for sure.

    Besides, I think it’s implicit in saying that letting him go was a dumb move that picking him up in the first place, particularly for the equivalent of a used jock, was brilliant.

    Well 1 time in 100 or maybe even 1 time in 10 it should be explicit. Lowe gets pilloried for letting Hejda walk every other thread and it gets old, is all. Players come and players go (see also: Chris Pronger). Mistakes get made, and brilliant moves get made too. Credit/debit should be given for both, and the record examined on balance. In which case there is lots of fodder for the Lowe-bashers, but cases like Jan Hejda just aren’t 100% black-and-white, is all.

    Sometimes things don’t work out for reasons that aren’t immediately obvious from the second tier in the Saddledome.

  173. Bruce says:

    Btw, I had a chance to review the contested play at the end of regulation on the “game in an hour” rebroadcast at midnight last night. They showed an end zone replay that I didn’t see the first time (somebody mentioned it was on the Fox feed, maybe Sportsnet added it, or maybe the first time around I was so busy blowing my stack that I missed it). Anyway, in this replay you could see the puck the whole time, whereas from the centre ice cam it was hidden behind the near side boards the whole way so hard to tell exactly where it was.

    The key thing about the play was that LA actually shot the puck into their own zone. Frolov’s pass back to the point went past Quincey and dribbled through the neutral zone. Brodziak was in the process of winning the race to the puck so Quincey lifted his stick and pulled him down. Clear case of interference, let alone hooking or tripping. Blatant non-call on the ref, who a minute earlier had fallen “hook” line and sinker for Brown’s dive on a much less dangerous play (i.e. no breakaway on an open net at the end of it).

    So Brodziak goes down, and slides across the blueline ahead of the puck (which he never touches first or last). The puck slides into the zone before Horcoff follows up, he plays it into the corner, and the linesman blows it dead. Of course we all know he decides Horc touched it deliberately after Brodz had preceded it across the line, so that makes it intentional right? Except: 1) he blew the original call because he forgot which team had shot the puck in; 2) he picked a hell of a time in the game to make a discretionary call about intent when he himself didn’t know what the fuck was going on; and 3) even more egregiously, he didn’t listen to the appeal of the player about the blown call. Surely the four officials should have discussed it, one among the four of them might have had his head far enough out of his ass to actually see what really happened, and then do what the Rules say should be done on a blown call, a faceoff at centre. Instead, it’s in our zone, a 6-on-4, and sure enough …

    For such a series of call to all go in favour of the home team in the last two minutes of a one-goal game, ultimately affecting the outcome of the game, should be subject to a league review. If these clowns weren’t flat out rooting for the Kings to tie it up, it wasn’t visible to the naked eye. This was one of the worst cases of homerism I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been ripping refs for a lot longer than most of you guys have been around. :)

    I’m still incensed. (And we won!) I hope the Oilers will be sending that tape to the league office, because incompetent officiating with the game on the line absolutely should not be tolerated.

  174. Ribs says:

    The thing about Hejda was that he just wouldn’t learn. He’d make the same mistakes over and over again showed no signs of improvement. Every time he would stop dead right before his own blueline MacT must have been losing his mind. Whenever the puck was around his net he would just look completely lost. I can’t tell you how many times I screamed at the television when J.Smith ended up looking foolish because he was trying to do both his and his partners job covering guys in front of the net.

    There was a string of games before the Smyth deadline that Hejda was the goat for that pretty much killed any hope for the season. I can understand why they felt letting him go was an okay option at the time. He was kind of a wildcard in that it was hard to tell if he would get better or not. Obviously he did and the Oil look silly for letting him walk nowadays, but I hold no grief over it. If they had kept him and he never improved it would be infuriating to watch.

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