Oilers at Sharks, G57/08-09

This is Mike Grier. When he played for the Oilers, Grier was a very effective 3rd line winger who often played on a line with Todd Marchant and Ethann Moreau. Grier could score 20 goals one season, 9 the next, penalty kill and was never involved in a no-hitter.

I liked him fine.

Tonight, Grier’s San Jose Sharks return home after a bumpy east coast road trip. They may be suffering from jet-lag or they may be looking for someone to Econoline Crush.

One of the positives for Edmonton these days is that Hemsky is doing his Guy Lafleur act and creating about 1,000 scoring chances a night. One of the negatives is that they’re playing Dwayne Roloson into the ground and at this point the Garon trade looks like one of David Staples’ errors.

Not a must win tonight, but if they do get a W and then can win against Dallas…….

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  1. Jonathan Willis says:

    The Sharks play-by-play team are awfully irate about the Souray non-call; personally, I wonder how easily Michalek went down.

  2. bookie says:

    These announcers are the biggest Homers ever.

  3. Councilman Les Winan says:

    Anybody else enjoying San Jose’s broadcast crew going apoplectic on that “missed” call on Souray?

    I like Michalek for a dive on that one, actually.

  4. Councilman Les Winan says:

    Evidently, you are…

  5. danny says:

    The Sharks commentators are ready to call labour strike after Watson didnt call Souray there… meanwhile the reverse angle, Michaelek fell down from a breeze of wind.

  6. Jonathan Willis says:

    I’m enjoying this. Especially after the screwjob the Oilers took in LA.

  7. RiversQ says:

    In BtoB games the wheels always seem to fall off soon after the midpoint of the 2nd. It would be nice to get the lead back before that point.

  8. Coach pb9617 says:

    This game has a really bizarre feel to it right now.

  9. Scott says:

    Did Warrior Staios just… dive?

  10. Jonathan Willis says:

    Black Dog: This team’s got major cap room trouble going forward; if Grebshkov can be signed long-term at a cheaper rate, I’d trade Gilbert first.

    Of course, Imove Souray before any of them, because I can’t see him sustaing this current run.

  11. bookie says:

    uhg

  12. Jonathan Willis says:

    Joe Pavelski is all kinds of useful.

  13. bookie says:

    Stupid 5 on 3 based upon point shot

  14. Jonathan Willis says:

    Is that game, folks?

  15. Lowetide says:

    Well that didn’t work.

  16. danny says:

    Ok, time to go to bed I reckon.

  17. Coach pb9617 says:

    Dirty, dirty stuff by Souray. Heh. Give him the C.

    To be fair, he took a punch first.

    What a mess of a power play. Jesus Ales – other guys can freaking score besides Souray. You can even shoot.

  18. oilerdago says:

    That could be a back breaker. How they respond off this will say lots.

  19. mc79hockey says:

    What an abortion of a powerplay. Why do they look for shots from the point on the 5 on 3?

  20. Scott says:

    Wow is that ever a terrible PP sequence. Yikes.

  21. bookie says:

    On Oilers bench

    Oh my God, that’s not Gateraide in the bottles that’s Southern Comfort

  22. Black Dog says:

    JW – agreed on the cap issues but I think Souray is also the guy who would have to go

    actually Moreau and Staios first

    and then hopefully Fernando is willing to take a pay cut after next season

  23. Dennis says:

    What a fucking brutal game by Souray.

  24. Bruce says:

    Would somebody shoot the goddam puck? Oops, not you, Marleau.

    Fire the powerplay. That was fucking terrible. 5 on 3 and we lost about 87 battles for the puck. That was beneath putrid.

  25. Bank Shot says:

    I don’t care how many points Gagner has on the season, I’d be using him on the 5 on 3.

    He works the down low play better then anyone on the team, Hemsky included.

  26. Lowetide says:

    Have the increased minutes taken a toll on Souray? He seemed to be playing some bigger minutes in the last few games.

  27. Jonathan Willis says:

    Black Dog: Yeah, Moreau and Staios first. Moreau’s actually had a nice year 5-on-5 (if you don’t bother to look at the underlying numbers) and has done some nice things physically, but those contracts are killer.

  28. Dennis says:

    LT: no, he’s just Sheldon Souray?;)

  29. Scott says:

    Kris Draper is a big Theo Peckham fan tonight.

  30. Lowetide says:

    Theo Peckham is my favorite player right now. THAT was fun. If he could find Mike Keane and do the same I’d be thrilled.

  31. bookie says:

    I am calling that a pretty one sided fight

  32. CrazyCoach says:

    I haven’t seen a game since Lemieux was a gutless rookie, but based on what I’ve seen the last 2 minutes, I like that Peckham kid.

  33. Jonathan Willis says:

    Of Peckham and Lemieux, isn’t Lemieux supposed to be the guy with the “veteran savvy”?

    Theo’s going to be an NHL’er for a long time, likely starting next year in training camp, and I don’t care what anyone says.

    (BTW, that isn’t strictly saw him good; he’s got the results in the A)

  34. LittleFury says:

    Results aside, this game hasn’t been too bad.

  35. Black Dog says:

    jw – agreed so now is when you move him

    not sure if they could find a taker for Staios but who knows

    interesting to see what happens with the cap – I don’t think it will be as bad as Shoalts said

    what I’d love to see is some contraction, just to see Bettman spin it as a positive development

    I’d pay to see it.

    “Our game has never been in better shape.”

    “Um Gary, how do you reconcile that statement with the collapse of franchises in Tampa, Miami, Atlanta, Nashville, Phoenix and Long Island?”

    “Pay no heed to the man behind the curtain!”

  36. Councilman Les Winan says:

    I gotta say, I like the energy of the San Jose crowd. Quite the contrast to Phoenix last night.

  37. Jonathan Willis says:

    BDHS: Probably not, but come the start of the season there will be a bunch of useful players on waivers *cough*Mathieu Schneider*cough, and having that cap room for the right piece is worthwhile.

  38. bookie says:

    What a game, we are only at the half way mark, but its had loads of entertainment value.

  39. RiversQ says:

    Incomparable stupidity there from Moreau on that giveaway.

  40. CrazyCoach says:

    This is a great game and dare I say it, a first round preview? Maybe thats what MacT is preaching right now.

    Send a message boys, send a message.

  41. Jonathan Willis says:

    Good game tonight. Chippy and close, and the kind of game where it’s very hard to be upset about the Oilers’ level of effort.

  42. Lowetide says:

    If we added up the dumbass plays by EDM tonight there would be way too many by guys over 30 yrs old.

  43. LittleFury says:

    “Incomparable stupidity there from Moreau on that giveaway.”

    Heart and soul=stupidity now.

  44. Bruce says:

    All the over-30s are struggling tonight. Souray is now pushing 75 minutes in the last 96 hours, and it’s showing tonight. He’s been brutal. Staios at 65 minutes in the same 2.5 games.

    As for Roli, that was one old guy we actually could have rested tonight. Nice save there, but he’s not as razor sharp as he’s been either.

  45. Black Dog says:

    JW – yeah, I hear you

    Was it Olzyuk (sp?) who talked at the beginning of the year about slotting guys in terms of salary.

    So last year you had four guys – Stoll, Torres, Moreau and Pisani – all making 2M plus while failing in one way or another. Well, pass to the latter two for health reasons but the first two, though they were playing toughs, did nothing offensively. Meanwhile Staios was covering the bet by playing top four.

    So now they have three guys in the same boat after moving Stoll and Torres and Staios being dropped on the depth chart.

    Pisani’s health is still an issue.

    Staios can’t be paid that amount to play bottom pair.

    Moreau has been lucky. Sell high.

    Next year you’re looking at Pisani as the only “bottom sixer” making 2 plus. That’s more like it.

  46. Bruce says:

    LT: Beat me to it. :) The old guys are showing their age tonight.

  47. Jonathan Willis says:

    Apparently the Oilers’ are a mean, intimidating team.

    These Sharks broadcast folk sure are funny. The best part was their last line:

    “Jody Shelley would be out for a shift like this.”

    On the powerplay? Really?

  48. Black Gold says:

    box is getting crowded…

  49. Bruce says:

    Why do I have a feeling we’re about to get a demonstration of how a 5 on 3 is supposed to work?

    Take note, Ales and Sheldon.

  50. Lowetide says:

    I know no one wants to hear this, but it might be an idea to pull Roloson if SJS pump one in here. Certainly if they go down 3.

    That DAL game is mondo.

  51. Jonathan Willis says:

    The fact that Kyle Brodziak is out as the only forward on this 5-on-3 speaks volumes.

    About Kyle Brodziak, and Kevin Lowe.

  52. bookie says:

    good kill by gilbert

  53. Black Gold says:

    big shift by gilbert there

  54. oilerdago says:

    Gilbert was great on that kill.

  55. CrazyCoach says:

    The Oil are going to win this tonight with…..

    Spit, Grit, and whole lotta duct tape

  56. RiversQ says:

    JW: I’m pretty sure LT told me a thousand times that MacT lost the room. Surely you must be wrong about the effort?

  57. Bruce says:

    This Drew Ranenda is the same douchebag who failed to make HNiC’s late night team, eh? i think he got beat out by PJ Stock.

  58. Jonathan Willis says:

    Kind of a stupid thing for Reddox to do; glad he got away with it, but pretty stupid all the same.

  59. Bruce says:

    The fact that Kyle Brodziak is out as the only forward on this 5-on-3 speaks volumes.

    All it tells me is that Horc wa sin the box so MacT went with the other faceoff guy. Kyle did well, though.

  60. bookie says:

    THe oilers have 10 shots on net, and about 30 missed shots.

  61. bookie says:

    Awesome, I haven’t seen Smokey the Bear in years!

  62. LittleFury says:

    At least one half of this SJ broadcast team is shitfaced right now. Maybe both.

  63. Black Gold says:

    Souray is struggling to hit the net tonight..

  64. kris says:

    One of these SJ announcers is Moreau’s mom.

  65. Black Gold says:

    i like when moreau gets in a fight, means he wont see the ice for another 5 at least.

  66. Bruce says:

    Shots on net are 22-10, but shots at net are only 30-26. Oilers are generating stuff but can’t hit the fucking net. e.g. Cogliano and Nilsson from the slot on dangerous-looking plays in this period.

    This Oiler club Ranenda describes so imaginatively doesn’t resemble the one I know and love.

  67. Lowetide says:

    Stortini chopping wood. Nice.

  68. Jonathan Willis says:

    I thought I was seeing some vintage Huggy Bear until he broke away there.

  69. bookie says:

    What round of the Playoffs is it? I am confused.

  70. Jonathan Willis says:

    Bruce: Is it just me, or is that a trend on the season?

  71. Bruce says:

    “Stortini is able to ‘wrestle’ Semenov down to the ice.” With about 10 right hands, including one beauty right on the schnozz.

  72. Scott says:

    How many fights have their been in this game? I’m guessing were winning on that count.

  73. B.C.B. says:

    Bookie: too many fights for this to the playoffs.

  74. Lowetide says:

    A nice group of plays there by Smid. He was about to move up ice when he saw the RD cheating at center and did a reject all signals back into his zone. Then later, he made a nice crisp pass down low that kept the SJS defenders chasing.

  75. Bruce says:

    That was the line change of a tired hockey club.

  76. reijo29 says:

    Avs get 2 points and Nucks have at least one coming. We need to at least get one tonight.
    Come on boys.

  77. mc79hockey says:

    Roli looked his 39 years on that one.

  78. Scarlett says:

    Damn, how often does Edmonton give up a goal in the last minute of a period? Too damn much!!!

  79. LittleFury says:

    Shit, poo.

  80. RiversQ says:

    Stortini has definitely made major progress as a fighter. Last year he would have held on for dear life just because Semenov is big.

    Fuck. Thornton.

  81. Traktor says:

    Marc Schremp

  82. Jonathan Willis says:

    Pouliot can’t give the puck away there.

    Want to be he doesn’t see the ice in the 3rd?

  83. Lowetide says:

    That’s on Pouliot.

  84. Bruce says:

    Poo shit the bed there. Brutal giveaway, poor recovery.

  85. Bank Shot says:

    And that is why Pouliot is more valuable then Parise and Getzlaf.

  86. Scott says:

    Pwndliot.

    Also, it’s strange when a period is fun and yet you’re outscored 3-0.

  87. Jonathan Willis says:

    Thornton vs. Staios? I could have taken that trade-off.

  88. Councilman Les Winan says:

    Damn. Another one given up in the last minute of the 2nd. That one’s a killer.

  89. Bank Shot says:

    I like the Oilers chances at a playoff spot if they play the rest of the season like this.

    They haven’t shown much of that kind of effort this season.

  90. Bruce says:

    What a terrible period by the Oil. Lots of energy, but not a hell of a lot of it directed at winning the damn game.

    After all that nice talk above, Horpensky = Brutal tonight. 1 shot among the 3 of them, and a net -5. That 5 on 3 sequence ending in yet another shortie was probably the ball game.

  91. Black Gold says:

    Speaking of Parise, 10 shots on goal tonight.
    Wow.

  92. Henry says:

    These guys are probably going to lose the game, but if they play with half this much heart down the stretch they’ll make the playoffs. SJ won’t want to face them either.

    Gagner is getting stronger on his skates and on the dot. Beating big Thornton.

    Gilbert plays great with a bit of a snarl.

    Strudwick might be a great guy, but not a great defenseman.

  93. Mrs Gertrude Inkpen says:

    Its a shame about Marc-Antoine
    He has so many fans here

    With the return of St Fernando,
    I fear that he may soon be traded

    I recall he used to play with
    Strong Legs Crosby – maybe again.

  94. Bruce says:

    Thanks Calgary, you Flaming douchebags.

  95. PunjabiOil says:

    And that is why Pouliot is more valuable then Parise and Getzlaf.

    Pouliot is 9 months younger than Parise. That’s significant in the development process! Pouliot will turn out better than Parise!

  96. Icecastles says:

    Ducked out for the second to visit my wife. WTF HAPPENED!? We were kicking arse and out working them in the first.

    Oh yeah. A second period happened. Edmonton’s Achilles’ heel. They really have to find a way to stop having those. Completely. Like just totally bypass the second period.

  97. Icecastles says:

    Wow, these San Jose announcers make Rod and Gene look neutral.

  98. Jonathan Willis says:

    Icecastles: The problem is the Oilers bypass the second period too often.

  99. Dennis says:

    I think I just started to realize 78 is done as an Oiler.

    It’s hard to add up all the bad things 44 did on that SHG. He couldn’t hit the net and then when it went the other way, he didn’t take the short OR take the passee. Didn’t even put his stick out or anything. Might be a good time to remember he’s not above water in real plus minus and also remember his history.

    Bruce: bang on with the shots not making it on-net. I had the same two guys blowing huge opps from the slot. Conversely, the Sharks in those situations has made Roli make saves.

    The 10 line has to give us something and it’s hard to believe that the 89 line – and 12 in particular – can keep creating like this Without scoring.

    Very entertaining game and it’s too bad if we can’t grab a point. Oil should go uptempo now and they look in the mood for gooning once that doesn’t work.

    I had the chances at 8-8 for the second period but the difference was putting the shots on net and actually trying to defend odd-man rushes AND being hard on the puck on little plays out of your own zone.

    Lastly, Riv called the play before I did but 18 has to be the dumbest Oiler I’ve ever since in terms of game sense vs number of career GP. This fucking stupe never learns and tries to carry the puck like he’s a fucking centre.

  100. Icecastles says:

    Rod and Bob I mean. :P
    I still get confused by who the “not Morley” guy is.

  101. bookie says:

    Which Oilers are these announcers talking about? Which game are they talking about?

    They are fun.

  102. Bank Shot says:

    Wow, these San Jose announcers make Rod and Gene look neutral.

    I like how the announcers are trying to paint the Oilers as a physical goon squad.

    Can you tell they haven’t watched an Oilers game this season?

  103. Jonathan Willis says:

    These Sharks commentators are seriously out to lunch on this edition of the Edmonton Oilers.

  104. Councilman Les Winan says:

    What? We’re a physical team now? Since when?

    I’m beginning to think that whoever said the SJ broadcast team are drunk was right…

  105. Jonathan Willis says:

    That was a pretty little fall that Robert Nilsson took.

    Maybe a little embellishment?

  106. Jonathan Willis says:

    51 did a great job getting onside in time for Reddox.

    Everytime I watch him play, it seems like he does things like that.

  107. Coach pb9617 says:

    Well, it took 2/3 of a season and missed points for the team, but Gagner’s light is on and he’s playing physically like he never has.

    Pepper the goalie boys, pepper the goalie.

  108. bookie says:

    Speaking of Pheonix, is Gretzky fireable?

  109. Coach pb9617 says:

    For all of the penalties in this game, the refs have decided that interference is no longer part of the rulebook.

  110. Icecastles says:

    Coach pb9617 said… Pepper the goalie boys, pepper the goalie.

    Or better still, pepper the net. >:)

  111. bookie says:

    OMG, Roli is on Crack. Did you see that?

  112. Jonathan Willis says:

    Roloson’s a dirty goaltender, Just is.

    It’s nice that he’s on he’s on this team.

  113. Icecastles says:

    Someone should head up to the San Jose broadcast booth and show them what “hooligan” means. Ignorant biased whiney fuckers.

  114. Jonathan Willis says:

    Is Horcoff hurt, or did they just not finish the last line change?

  115. Coach pb9617 says:

    Have Reddox’s numbers begun to turn over the last few? Seems like he’s found a home.

  116. Councilman Les Winan says:

    Bookie, I think the ownership group would have to approve that firing. ;-)

  117. bookie says:

    Save of the Game….They are drunk

  118. LittleFury says:

    That’s a nice simple play by Peckham to get it deep. He knows his limits.

  119. Bruce says:

    Man, Zorg is busting ass out there.

  120. Coach pb9617 says:

    Horcoff has no control of his stick this evening. He’s like a Kendo trainee out there.

  121. Icecastles says:

    I love the advice these announcers are giving. “That’s why you wear a helmet, boys and girls.”

    Time for a short handed revenge goal.

  122. Black Gold says:

    Grebeshkov leave his stash w/ Roloson?

  123. Bruce says:

    Ranenda got the stash. “That’s a guy having a good season, Ethan Moreau.”

  124. Bruce says:

    “I don’t think this is a tripping penalty for the simple fact … (voice trails off)”

    That it’s against Us?

  125. mc79hockey says:

    That was probably the end of hope right there. Nabokov made some nice stops on that PP. Hard to be too disappointed wtih a team that looks short on gas but not effort.

  126. Bruce says:

    Hey lookit, Zorg out there with the goalie out. Going for the Gordie Howe Hat Trick?

    Nice to know MacT is paying attention. He’s had a strong game.

  127. bookie says:

    ah, whatcan ya say about a game like that…

  128. Matt says:

    This is going back up the thread aways, but… an offensive (defensive) zone faceoff is worth about +0.6 (-0.6) of a Corsi pt.

    Here’s the link for Oilers faceoffs before tonight. Horcoff with 100 more D than O, Penner with 23 more O than D, Hemsky with 5 more O than D.

    So theoretically if 10 and 27 were the same quality player, 27 has about a 75 point head start on the Corsi # on account of where he has started his shifts.

    Conclusion #1: Horcoff is very good. #2: Hemsky’s primary value as a difference maker is still on the PP. #3: Roloson is going to fall apart — possibly literally — about March 5th.

    Note: #3 is really just more of an observation.

  129. Bohologo says:

    Anyone know if Cogs is hurt? Not much TOI tonight….

  130. Bruce says:

    Good effort, but the big boys had no magic tonight. Not too many good decisions in the offensive zone, and a few too many poor ones at the other end. Hard to be too upset, other than that was a lot of effort expended for nothing. 5 games in 8 nights in 5 cities, and some of these guys are logging a lot of hard minutes.

  131. Bruce says:

    One shift for Cogs in the third, just 17 seconds. Poo got that same shift and one other one. They had been involved in the 4-2 goal, and MacT didn’t like what he saw I guess. Of course the Captain got his regular shift. Reddox played 5:55 in the third, Stortini 4:45, while the “third” line cooled their heels.

  132. HBomb says:

    Good effort tonight, but that looked like an average team on the 2nd half of a back-to-back playing one of the best two or three teams in the league, simple as that. They’re better than we are – the Oilers two goals came off a garbage-deposit by Zorg and a lucky bounce to Cole.

    Off-night for Horpensky, but considering they`ve outright won us a few games lately, I`ll chalk it up to simply that – an off night and nothing but.

    Gilbert had a Grebeshkovian evening – he was spectacular at times but had a few brain fart plays. I`m worried that he and Souray are starting to fatigue, that they`re being leaned on too heavily in the absence of 71/37. I’d like to see them add a D-man sooner rather than later – then again, I would have liked to see them add a veteran C in training camp, but that still hasn’t happened.

    I think Pouliot’s an NHL player, but he’s in trouble right now. If he had been the Oilers first rounder in 2002, he’d be considered a successful pick, but when you look at the fact that the Oilers passed on all of Parise, Richards and Getzlaf to select him, he’ll always be viewed as a failure by the masses in Edmonton. That’s Lowe and Prendergast’s fuck-up to wear, at least it should be.

    I like Theo Peckham. I like what he said about “respecting your opponents, but not too much”….you would have totally been in bounds if you had clubbed old man Claude while he was on the ice, Theodore….trust me, the NHL head office probably would have sent you a thank you note and a fancy fruit basket.

    Rest, regroup and be ready for Dallas on Thursday. Considering they’re direct competition for a playoff spot, getting 2 points there as opposed to tonight is a pretty good trade-off.

  133. Dennis says:

    It’s a bit of a hard result to take, despite the team faced and the venue therein, because the start was so promising and our undoing was so much of our own.

    You had the Oil blowing both 4 on 3 and 5 on 3 opps and what followed was an absolute shift for the stupid/lax ages by 44.

    Then 78 gets his pocket picked in the last minute when he really should be paying better attention.

    Oilers found themselves in the slot all night but just couldn’t cash and they also took some penalties that left you shaking your head.

    The positive is that even without 37-71 and playing so many games in so many nights, the Oilers could’ve certainly won this game.

    I’ll have the full update up tomorow but I had the chances 18-15; 13-12 EV; 5-3 ST.

  134. HBomb says:

    Oh yeah, my one big gripe: the powerplay, specifically the 2-man advantages.

    Everyone’s standing around, and there’s precisely two plays – back to the point for Souray, and the cross-ice play to Horcoff (which I don’t think actually made it through once tonight).

    Terrible system. And I’m not about to blame that on the players….

  135. Bruce says:

    Just watched the replays, and Souray was guilty of poor coverage on that SH 2-on-1, but at least he was actually somewhere near the play. The other guys shit the bed too. Dennis, if you want to lay all that on Souray and none of it on Gilbert — who gave the puck away and got caught deep as the Oilers passed and overpassed it — you need to widen the scope a little bit. The whole PP unit deserved their -1 on that one.

    As for the fourth goal, Poo gave the puck away but it was a truly atrocious backcheck by Cogs, the fifth guy back in the zone (a no-no for the centre usually) and the guy who was five feet behind Thornton gliding on two legs as Jumbo Joe popped it home. If MacT wants to get his attention after a shit play like that, he’s got my permission.

  136. Phil says:

    The positive is that even without 37-71 and playing so many games in so many nights, the Oilers could’ve certainly won this game.

    I think this is the point to remember. Except for a few gaffs, they played a lot better this game than the one Roli stole for them in SJ earlier. What I like is that since the Montreal game, the team has shown more try than at any point all year. The team seems to be at least playing for each other now. There seems to be more examples of players standing up for each other, and playing with some more edge (helped along by Peckham. I think he’s doing what he needs to do to stay with the big team – adding sandpaper).

    A few days ago, I didn’t think this team had any chance at the post season. Now, I’m not so sure.

  137. Lord Bob says:

    I missed the game and only just got home. But I went to TSN.ca and looked at the box score and I have only one thing to say.

    Roloson? Really? How stupid is our management?

  138. DBO says:

    Brownlee at ON has a good post on dealing Cole. He mentions the possibility of Ruutu coming back from carolina. thoughts? i like the idea, although as an RFA having a decent year he probably gets paid over $3 million. Too much for a 2nd line winger? Do we need the money to sign grebeshkov, or make a run at Hossa? Or does the physical, banging style of ruutu add something we need to the team?

  139. HBomb says:

    If a guy went off the fan-board reaction and didn’t actually see the game, the conclusion one would make is that it was 100% the fault of Shawn Horcoff and Tom Gilbert that the Oilers lost last night.

    Seriously, someone suggested the Oilers trade Horcoff for Reasoner straight across and “let the kids shine”. And people actually agreed with said suggestion.

    The world is full of stupid people, apparently.

  140. Lord Bob says:

    Yeah, I agree, HBomb.

    I mean, we couldn’t get Reasoner for that bum Horcoff. We’d be lucky if we could get Bill Barilko out of the Leafs, for crying out loud.

    I say we release Horcoff and put Schremp in as first-line centre. Then we plan the parade.

  141. HBomb says:

    Ok, has anyone got a link to one of the sites where I’d be able to do some research on specific player matchups?

    I want to look at the on ice/off ice GF/GA for specific players on the Oilers against specific players on other teams. Is there an easy tool somewhere to do this?

  142. Dennis says:

    Bruce: Yeah, 77 didn’t help out but 44 just didn’t do Anything when he was faced with that situation. And he was also brutal on the 2-2 goal because he’d already let Marleau get behind him and then he made a bad choice on how to correct that.

    if the guy would’ve hit the net on the PP, we might get a PPG and then there’d be less heat on him. But like I said, he’s a – in real numbers and when it comes to which guy I’d trade out of the big four, it would be him.

    And you are probably right about 13wearing a hairshirt on the 4th GA. As you cited, he didn’t play much afterwards so a message was sent.

    I think we’re coming to a head with 13 in terms of whether he can play pivot or not. I like him more as a wing because of his lack of faceoff skills and there have been more than a couple of times where he’s lollygagged on defensive assignments.

  143. Kent W. says:

    Hbomb:

    Look at http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/200809players/index.php

    Which is on-ice GF and GA with/against certain players.

  144. Coach pb9617 says:

    Brownlee at ON has a good post on dealing Cole. He mentions the possibility of Ruutu coming back from carolina. thoughts? i like the idea, although as an RFA having a decent year he probably gets paid over $3 million. Too much for a 2nd line winger? Do we need the money to sign grebeshkov, or make a run at Hossa? Or does the physical, banging style of ruutu add something we need to the team?

    Hossa is staying in Detroit. He is listening to Jim Jones, I mean, Ken Holland and he drank the red grape juice.

    Ruutu still doesn’t solve the problem solved by Wes Walz. They need a 2nd line center – and it’s not Cogliano….

    I think we’re coming to a head with 13 in terms of whether he can play pivot or not.

    He can’t. Move him to the wing and let him be Martin St. Louis.

    ——————–

    Roloson? Really? How stupid is our management?

    They better buy him a hyperbaric chamber session today.
    ——————–

    Bruce – you mentioned Horcoff, Penner, Hemsky as being greater than the parts – seems like it’s very similar to the GAG line to me.

    ——————–
    The boys need another defenseman – Tambellini should be able to get Melichar or Zanon for a middle pick or Kuba for a prospect and a middle pick, right?

  145. Bruce says:

    it was 100% the fault of Shawn Horcoff and Tom Gilbert that the Oilers lost last night.

    Oferfuxsakes

    Yeah, 77 didn’t help out but 44 just didn’t do Anything when he was faced with that situation.

    And 10 didn’t help when he passed it to 77 in traffic when he had a clear shot at the net, especially at the end of an extended 5 on 3 by which point the ghost of Bill Hunter is saying “SHOOOOOOOT!” Those guys were just as culplable as Sheldon, who quite simply wasn’t up to the speed of the counter attack, largely cuz Marleau can fly and Souray Can’t, and partly cuz Sheldon had been out on the ice for two minutes straight.

    And he was also brutal on the 2-2 goal because he’d already let Marleau get behind him and then he made a bad choice on how to correct that.

    No question he got burned there. I would have given him a primary error on that one, and a secondary on the shortie with 77 wearing the largest goat horns.

    Souray is defintely an erratic player, I know in the few games I’ve done on Staples’ project I’ve graded him anywhere from a 3 to an 8. Last night was on the 3 side, for sure. But the night before he was the best player on the ice and scored the winning goal. (When Hemsky has a game like that he can take a week off basking in the cumulative glow of the Oiogosphere … Souray, not so much. Just sayin’.)

    It’s important to point out Sheldon put in another 29:10 last night, after averaging 29:15 in the previous two games on Saturday and Monday. Thta’s almost 90 minutes of TOI in about 82 hours real time, with a bunch of travel in between (who decided Phoenix was between L.A. and San Jose, anyway?) So before you crucify the guy, bear that cross in mind.

    I didn’t see one of our Starting Six really going last night, and to pin the loss on any one or two of them is just silly. We got beat, plain and simple.

  146. Bruce says:

    And you are probably right about 13wearing a hairshirt on the 4th GA. As you cited, he didn’t play much afterwards so a message was sent.

    Saw that replay again this morning, and at least Pouliot was trying to do something. Cogliano might as well be on the Moon for all he was doing out there, his head certainly was lost in space. Last minute of a period, desperately needing to stop the bleeding at 3-2, matched up against Joe Freakin’ Thornton — give your head a shake, son. You got a game to play.

    Poo made an error of commission and got two shifts in the third, Cogs made an error of omission and got one. Perfect call by MacT.

  147. Black Gold says:

    On the plus side, Gagner looked good that game and I haven’t checked the numbers, but it looked like he spent a lot of the game against Jumbo.
    Lately I’ve seen Nilsson doing the little things well, too. Winning some physical battles, picking some pockets.. at both ends of the ice, too.

  148. LittleFury says:

    JFJ called up per Your Only Source For Oilers News.

  149. oilerdago says:

    Was JFJ called up because it was the end of the conditioning stint?

    Or is the MacBlender going to bench Pou tomorrow against Dallas for being so vanilla?

  150. HBomb says:

    I didn’t see one of our Starting Six really going last night, and to pin the loss on any one or two of them is just silly. We got beat, plain and simple.

    That’s pretty much the long and short of it. You put it very well, Bruce, in one “word”: oferfuxsakes.

    Playing the best home team in the NHL on the 2nd half of a back-to-back and 3rd game in 4 days. It was a loss – chalk it up and move on.

    However, if you trust what you read on some sections of the Al Gore, 10 and 77 are the reason for the current economic depression, among other things. Things that make one shake their head in confusion, bewilderment, and borderline disgust.

  151. Bruce says:

    HBomb: Let’s just say that 77 is doing a helluvalot more out there than 71 or 37. Their absence is being felt, no matter how much the guys down the depth chart step it up.

    I’m relatively pleased that Oilers have taken 9 points in the 7 games since Lubo went out. Considering that 6 of those games have been on the road, and that 2 of them could have been written in as regulation losses in pen (@ DET, @ S.J), 4-2-1 looks pretty damn good. Losing a bonus point to the Kings hurt a bit (damn zebras!) and losing a second point in the shootout @ MIN hurt more, but bleeding standings points to the Wings and Sharks doesn’t hurt a bit. We just have to keep our perspective on the larger picture.

    Every Regulation Loss seems like a disaster, but this one wasn’t. It’s just too damn bad MacT didn’t see the larger picture in advance and given JDD the start and Souray and Peckham 20 minutes each (how’s that for 20/20 hindsight?). Becuase tomorrow’s game is both more important and more winnable than last night’s was.

  152. Bruce says:

    You put it very well, Bruce, in one “word”: oferfuxsakes.

    Thanks. That’s part of the very useful “ofer” word family, whose etymological roots lie in baseball: e.g. the sequence oferfour, oferfive, oferfuxsakes

    :)

  153. Bruce says:

    Don’t mean to dominate the thread, but I guess Lowetide’s live thread is as good a place as any to leave a heads-up to prospectophiles. Tonight’s Saskatoon Blades at Calgary Hitmen game is being telecast on SportsNet West at 7 p.m. Milan Kytnar goes head to head against Alexandre Plante.

    I expect a first-person report from Doogie2K, but since it’s on the tube it’s a good opportunity for many of us to get an eyeful of these guys.

  154. Scott says:

    However, if you trust what you read on some sections of the Al Gore, 10 and 77 are the reason for the current economic depression, among other things. Things that make one shake their head in confusion, bewilderment, and borderline disgust.

    Do you have a link to one of these threads. They sound hilarious.

  155. Coach pb9617 says:

    With Jacques up, Pouliot will find the PB for a game or too and then Pisani comes back. MAPs time as an Oiler is over, it seems.

  156. Lord Bob says:

    Craig MacTavish was sitting in his office, staring across the desk at Steve Tambellini, before leaping up as if struck by a bolt of lightning. “I’ve got it!” he cried. “What we need is an injury-prone, largely talentless Coke machine who has as many NHL points in his career as most of LT’s commenters do!”

    (I say most because I’m half-convinced HBomb is secretly Shayne Corson.)

  157. HBomb says:

    I say most because I’m half-convinced HBomb is secretly Shayne Corson.

    Shayne Corson couldn’t handle the amount of alcohol an engineering student puts through his body. There, I said it.

  158. HBomb says:

    Do you have a link to one of these threads. They sound hilarious.

    Hilarious is not the word, Scott. Painful to read is a more accurate description.

    The two big Oiler fan-boards are not what they once were, sadly. Thank goodness for the Oilogosphere!

  159. Coach pb9617 says:

    Craig MacTavish was sitting in his office, staring across the desk at Steve Tambellini, before leaping up as if struck by a bolt of lightning. “I’ve got it!” he cried. “What we need is an injury-prone, largely talentless Coke machine who has as many NHL points in his career as most of LT’s commenters do!”

    If the coke machine realized he was a coke machine, it might work. However, when the coke machine thinks he’s a shot of tequila delivered between the breasts of a South Beach waitress, problems ensue.

  160. Dennis says:

    First off, here’s the line for last night’s game log:

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3070

    Bruce: 83 gets a pass because he signed for less and is more effective when healthy:)

    85′s stringing together some decent shifts with 51-46, so it’s hard to take any of them out of the lineup. JFJ doesn’t Have to play but if he does you’d have to believe it will be at the expense of 78 with 85 getting the push to the 18-13 line and JFJ playing LW with 51-46.

    Oilers do have a little bit of leeway before any big decisions to be made because even with JFJ in-house, they’ll be running a 14-6-2 set-up and 33 hardly plays and 34 is at best at least two weeks away from giving us the 15th forward.

    I’d personally like to see a JFJ-51-78 line but I doubt 46 would get the top nine push.

    In all scnarios it doesn’t leave much for 13 and I think he’s really adrift right now. No one can lug around 18 and 78′s not to be counted on and Cogs is still floating out in space somewhere in terms of role. He’s not good enough to be a centre and yet he’s so valued to the point where they don’t think he’s a 12 type who needs better linemates.

    Speaking of that, what does everyone make of the Cole/Ruutu rumors? I’m looking forward to one of the heavies breaking it down and/or an LT thread where we can all hash it out.

    I’ll save my thoughts until a couple of others chime in.

  161. Coach pb9617 says:

    85′s stringing together some decent shifts with 51-46, so it’s hard to take any of them out of the lineup. JFJ doesn’t Have to play but if he does you’d have to believe it will be at the expense of 78 with 85 getting the push to the 18-13 line and JFJ playing LW with 51-46.

    Where in the hell have you been? I’ve been waiting on the 85 numbers all day. Lazy bastard.

    I agree that 85 seems to have found a home on the Redtiniak line and for that reason, I don’t think the coach will move him. I think you’re going to see:

    27-10-83
    12-89-26
    18-13-22
    85-51-46

    Right or wrong, the coach, as evidenced by the last two games, likes that 4th line, as he did last year and is using it everywhere. Tough to break that up, and you know how he is with “comfort”.

  162. Black Dog says:

    Dennis – I presume that LT may chime in here but the one positive for Ruutu is he looks to be staying healthy, finally. I remember when Chicago drafted him the kid looked like the next coming of Peter Forsberg but he likes the rough stuff and he has really taken a beating over the years. I think it was the final of the World Cup in ’04 that he scored a beautiful goal on a nice solo effort and there’s no doubt the kid can play.

    He’s a minus this year but he was a plus every year playing for Chicago except for his rookie year and those were some pretty poor teams. I have no idea who he is playing with or against though.

    He’s RFA this summer so that is one plus over Cole.

    Another thing – our old friend Joni Pitkanen (who I liked btw) has less points then four Oilers dmen and that is playing in the SE.

    He’s never been the same since he got hurt the first year after the lockout. He was averaging over a PPG playing for Hitchcock. Since then … pfft.

    Of course it didn’t hurt that he was playing the PP with Forsberg either

  163. oilerdago says:

    Coach, I think you’re bang on with the lines for tomorrow. 78′s done very little this month, he’s not adjusted to playing on the wing (he’s a center) and so 22 draws in.

    Not sure it helps get 13 untracked – who I think is really getting screwed carrying 18. But what are you going to do until a trade is made.

    My sense is there are going to be a couple of moves before the deadline. I can see 26, 78 and marginal prospects/lower draft picks (below 2nd round) heading out of town to get the Oilers to the playoffs.

  164. knighttown says:

    Some interesting comments about blame tonight and the problem with Staples metric is some goals just don’t have a major error and others are a four-person cluster-fuck.

    Goal 1-at first glance this looks like an awful turnover for 77 but that was an exceptional play by Ryane Clowe. Gilbert is a guy with a lot of nuance and guile and that little fake reverse pass to Smid should have and would have given the smooth skating, 6’3″ Gilbert enough room to render Clowe’s forecheck useless but it appears Clowe is bigger and faster and he swiped the puck so completely there was no time to recover. Add to that, two quick passes and a perfect snipe by Pavelski over a sprawling Smid, who also made a good play, and you’ve got the type of goal that I’m not sure the Larry Robinson/Borje Salming defensive pair would have stopped it. Zero blame points.

    Goal 2- Again, at first glance I saw a glaring Souray error but after looking again I see a serious of tough breaks and good plays.
    Souray is doing what he is supposed to do with Marleau; playing up on him and taking away time and space. 44 is what, 6’3″ so his stick is probably 5’8″. Add to that the length of his arm (2’6″?) and you’ve got a guy reaching for a puck 10 feet away to try and deflect a pass. Unfortunately, he only covers 9.9 feet and so he misses by a few inches.

    If the pass is closer to 44 he tips it, if it’s closer to Marleau he probably backs off and plays the body. Like a short-hop for a shortstop.

    Patty gets a piece and it pops past 44. At this point it could go too far, either into the goalie or into the corner, or it could go more along its original path and so closer to the boards. It doesn’t of course and it lands about 5 feet away and on a direct line to the goal. Even still the flatfooted Souray makes up enough ground that Marleau has one chance. There’s no time for a deke and no one around to pass to…and he shelfs it. My judgement? Minor error for Roloson who could have come out even further since Marleau’s options were few and a minor, minor error to Souray who would have been better to just back off.

    Goal 3- Some plays that were almost good, went bad and ended up in our net. Horcoff’s decision to pass might have been ill-advised but IF that pass is on Gilbert’s forehand he has a goal. No ifs ands or buts. However, it wasn’t and Gilbert, seeing one instant of open net did everything in his power to go backhand-forehand but the play was interrupted by Grier. Souray, who had played the entire PP (badly I’ll agree, but that’s not what we’re discussing) was gassed and quite possibly couldn’t have played the 2-on-1 any worse. With pause, I let Horc and Gibby off with a wrist slap and give Souray a pretty major error, but also acknowledge a pretty great play by Mike Grier in all three zones.

    Goal 4- I missed the Cogliano backcheck but Poo flat out fanned on the pass. I suppose it’s mostly on him but its not an error of effort or decision making…just talent.

    Without having enough on the Cogliano fuckup, I’d probably be pretty lenient on the boys in general.

  165. knighttown says:

    Cole for Ruutu

    The guy is having a pretty good season. Boxcars: 16G/17A/33P in 53 GP. He's also playing the toughest minutes of any Cane and the Corsi is a positive at +7. He's 29/35 in GF/GA so pretty high event.

    As for the injury problems, it doesn't seem nearly as bad as I thought.

    04-82GP
    06-15GP
    07-71GP
    08-77GP
    09-on pace for >75GP.

    He's on a 1 year at 2.5M.

    I dunno, I mean I like the trade but he and Cole both seem to physical, shoot first wingers. Cole's got a much better background but Ruutu is younger and is having the better year albeit in the Southeast and I really don't like trading with that division because guys seem to come to the Northwest to die.

    I'd keep phoning the Bruins and get Joe Colborne straight up or 2 of Hamill/Sobotka/Lashoff and Hunwick. Or throw in JDD/Dubnyk + Cole + Petry/Chorney for Rask but I doubt he's in play.

  166. Black Dog says:

    knighttown – Ruutu had decent numbers in Chicago too – in that ballpark anyhow – so not super concerned about the SE thing.

    He has a rep for being fragile and he missed time early on in his career – I think he had a back problem and knees as well but healthy now it seems.

    The big plus of course is that he is an RFA rather then UFA. Not sure why the Canes would make the trade. They could just sign Cole in the summer if they want him back, unless they figure they can make the playoffs with him.

    Also Ruutu is a Finn so that’s a good thing.

  167. Dennis says:

    My idea is if you bring in TR, he’s playing with 10-83 and 27 moves down with 89 and that’s the winger 89 has to work with. Meanwhile, 12-12 round out the top two lines or they form the genesis of the third line.

    OR we have TR become the new 18 and him and 34 form the 3rd line with 10-83 and 27-89 combos forming the first two lines.

    Two issues:

    1. We know this team will only go as far as 89′s line takes us because 10′s line are doing what they can. So, until 89 finds someone to click with like 83 does with 10, we’ll only ever win if we get Luongo netminding.

    2: Considering how much money we will tie up in our top four, can we afford to keep all those guys AND go big game hunting for that guy to play with 89? If the awnser is now then you’re probably looking at 27 being 89′s go-to-guy and then TR rounds out the first line – decent bet considering he’s already played PVP – and 12 or 13 rounds out the second. The third line’s 18-51-34.

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