Snow In Winter

There is some evidence now that Garth Snow is going to be a great NHL general manager. We all know the Islanders ownership is a half bubble off plumb but hiring Snow may have been the smartest executive hiring of the decade.

Slowly but surely, and despite mammoth odds (the Islanders arena is not NHL calibre) the Islanders are building something to be proud of for the peasants of Long Island.

Recent draft picks Kyle Okposo and Josh Bailey will soon be joined by a bunch of kids from the 2009 entry draft. The Islanders got a lot of help in their rebuilding effort today from the Ottawa Senators, who felt it was best to send a top 30 pick to New York for six weeks of Mike Comrie and D Chris Campoli.

It is a dreadful deal for Ottawa, the finishing touches on a series of moves so noxious you couldn’t do worse with a dart board.

The New York Islanders’ general manager gave hope to a fanbase today with a splendid trade.

Ottawa? Their GM brought them snow in winter.

He should be fired. Now.

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  1. Lord Bob says:

    “Okay. We’re out of the playoff picture. We’re dead in the water. Our locker room is so toxic it’s been banned by the Geneva Conventions. What can we do about it?”

    “I’ve got it!”

    “Spit it out, man!”

    “Trade for Mike Comrie!”

    “Brilliant! I’ll start planning the parade!”

  2. Rod says:

    Agreed that it’s a dumb move by Murray. Could be positive for the Oil though…maybe Murray is interested in some veteran savvy. We can only hope.

    As for Snow, wasn’t he the GM behind the mammoth Dipietro contract? That move alone disqualifies him from the smartest GM contest. Just saying.

  3. Matt N says:

    Roli for GM???

  4. Steve says:

    Only if he kept his stick with him during contract negotiations – scariest man in a hockey mask since Jason Voorhees.

  5. PunjabiOil says:

    Ottawa? Their GM brought them snow in winter.

    LOLLLLL.

    You’re such a talented writer.

    So write. Write that damn book.

    There are countless members of the Lowetide fan club that would purchase the hardcover.

  6. Swabbubba says:

    Well Rod, I think the Wang made the deal with Dipietro… OH what will Hillary think of Ottawa

  7. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    It was indeed Wang who rose to the occasion on DiPietro and, upon closer examination, this deal is not as bad as it seems for the Sens.

    They get two actual NHL players (one UFA) in return for a lottery ticket likely 30th in the first round,

    Snow does just fine here since, if he can move Guerin + for another first round pick he’ll have 3 in the first round and 3 in the second round.

    The Kansas City Scrapbookers might have a fighting chance after all.

  8. Mr DeBakey says:

    To be fair
    [because its nice to be nice]

    Campoli is a pretty good hockey player, on a good contract.

    A 29th-ish pick for Campoli & an upgrade on McAmmond isn't terrible.

    I'm not sure that's what I would've done
    But, of course, my job is not on the line

  9. Mr DeBakey says:

    The Kansas City Scrapbookers?

    Try,
    The Hamilton Blackberries

  10. Rod says:

    Yeah, Wang was certainly behind the deal with Dipietro, but Snow was the GM on that contract. Snow must have agreed with the concept at least, or he’d have been given the boot ala Neil Smith. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t let Snow off the hook on that one.

  11. hunter1909 says:

    In a way Oilers are lucky, since we already had Comrie.

    Soon Comrie will have run out of every team but the Atlanta Thrashers, soon after the Kovalchuck for Schremp and other top Oilers prospects.

    The Islanders have everything I want in a team; lots of tradition(good), and all of these great new players along with a proven record in the draft that would put 90% of the rest of the NHL to shame.

    And no Comrie LOL.

  12. rickibear says:

    Snow is really good at trading 22-25 year old Dmen. He its not like they are about to make that next step to greatness.

  13. Lowetide says:

    12/16/06: NYI trade D Alexei Zhitnik to PHI for D Freddy Meyer and a conditional third round pick (third round pick in 2007 (D Mark Katic) or second round pick in 2008).
    02/18/07: NYI trade D Denis Grebeshkov to EDM for D Marc-Andre Bergeron and a 2008 third round draft pick.
    02/26/07: NYI acquire LW/RW Richard Zednik from WSH for a 2007 second round draft pick (D Ted Ruth).
    02/27/07: NYI acquire LW Ryan Smyth from EDM for C Ryan O’Marra, RW Robert Nilsson and a 2007 first round draft pick (D Alex Plante).
    07/05/07: NYI acquire 2008 second round pick (D Travis Hamonic) from EDM for D Allan Rourke and a 2008 third round pick.
    09/11/07: NYI acquire C Ben Walter and a conditional second round pick in 2009 from BOS for C Petteri Nokelainen.
    01/09/08: NYI acquire RW Matt Keith from ANA for LW Daryl Bootland.
    02/26/08: NYI trade 2008 seventh round pick (D Jason Demers) to SJ for D Rob Davison.
    02/26/08: NYI trade D Marc-Andre Bergeron to ANA for 2008 third round pick (LW Kirill Petrov).
    02/26/08: NYI trade LW Chris Simon to MIN for 2008 sixth round pick (LW Justin DiBenedetto).
    06/20/08: NYI trade 2008 Entry Draft first round pick (fifth overall – D Luke Schenn) to TOR for first round pick in 2008 (seventh overall) and, at NYI option: either PIT’s 2nd round pick in 2008 (60th overall, previously acquired) and TOR’s 3rd-round pick in 2009; or TOR’s 3rd round pick in 2008 (68th overall) and TOR’s 2nd round pick in 2009 (NYI selected option two).
    06/20/08: NYI trade TOR’s 1st round pick in the 2008 Entry Draft (seventh overall – C Colin Wilson, previously acquired) to NSH for FLA’s 1st round pick in 2008 (ninth overall – C Josh Bailey, previously acquired) and FLA’s 2nd round pick in 2008 (40th overall – D Aaron Ness, previously acquired).
    06/21/08: NYI acquire CHI’s third round pick (72nd overall – D Jyri Niemi) and fourth round pick (102nd overall – W David Ullstrom) in 2008 for TOR’s third round pick in 2008 (68th overall – D Shawn Lalonde, previously acquired).
    09/29/08: NYI acquire D Thomas Pock off waivers from NYR.
    10/08/08: NYI acquire C Nate Thompson off waivers from BOS.
    01/13/09: NYI acquire RW Junior Lessard from ATL for D Brett Skinner.
    02/20/09: NYI acquire C Dean McAmmond and SJ’s 2009 first round pick from OTT for D Chris Campoli and C Mike Comrie.

  14. Mr DeBakey says:

    Good list of trades

    You’ll note after the Smyth trade the words
    NYI + acquire + pick
    dominates.

    Previously, the picks were leaving the Island

  15. rickibear says:

    09/29/08: NYI acquire D Thomas Pock off waivers from NYR.
    10/08/08: NYI acquire C Nate Thompson off waivers from BOS.

    A team as bad as the islanders are afforded the ability to move there assets for picks(the future) better teams do not have that ability.

    I really liked the acquisitions up top. In a cap world, You identify teams with great depth at a position and try to acquire players that are not quite there.

    Rangers D depth: grab Pock.
    Boston’s centers: Grab Thompson.
    When your teams this bad. Grabing a player in this style will get you players better than you currently have. Plus its great optics.

    Problem is Your first two lines win you games. NYI are two more bad years of play from being a good team.

    The problem I have is moving a guy like Grebs and Campoli. I know everyone gives up on some assets. but they go from good Two years from now( Nilsson, Grebs, Campoli) to will be in 5 years.

    But maybe I am wrong.

  16. knighttown says:

    smartest executive hiring of the decade?

    For a guy not given to hyperbole, this comment reeks of it. You post his resume and I don’t see anything on it that looks like a clear win.

    Major trades, defined as anything more than player for pick:

    M.A.Bergeron for Denis Grebeshkov-clear loss

    Alex Zhitnik for Meyer and a 3rd- fine, except Zhitnik was later traded for Braydon Coburn, a young Top 2 defneseman.

    Ryan Smyth for Nilsson, O’Marra and 1st (Plante)- clear loss. As you allude to in your post, a team that needs to trade just to make the playoffs shouldn’t dump youth. This is akin to the Ottawa move today except on a grander scale.

    The trade downs at the 08 draft are too early to judge although most experts panned the moves. I probably would have taken Schenn or Filatov at #5 and there certainly are questions about picking Bailey over Cody Hodgson. We’ll see.

    No question they won the trade today but that says more about the Ottawa Senators then it does about Garth Snow. If teams that are 13 points behind a very good Buffalo Sabres team thinks they are a buyer then this is the definition of a sellers market. Just wait and see what Keith Tkachuck fetches.

    My list of best executive hires?

    John McConnell-President, Chicago Blackhwaks
    Bob Gainey- GM, Montreal Canadiens
    Darryl Sutter- GM, Calgary Flames
    Peter Chiarelli- GM, Boston Bruins
    Brian Burke- Gm, Anaheim and now Toronto
    Doug Wilson-GM, San Jose Sharks
    Paul Holmgrem-GM, Philadephia Flyers
    Dale Tallon- GM, Chicago Blackhawks
    John Davidson- President, St. Louis Blues

    The guys on this list have brought a measure of consistent stability to their franchises. If Garth Snow can rebuild this team into a perennial playoff club (like Sutter, Wilson, Burke) create excitement around a team with no personality (like McDonough and John Davidson) so his club isn’t LAST in the NHL in attendance and find a few more Kyle Okposos (Chairelli), I’ll sign your petition for best executive of the decade…in and around 2020.

  17. Bank Shot says:

    I’m afraid I have to agree with Knighttown. The only thing Snow has proven thus far is that he is capable of tearing a franchaise to pieces. I think basically any GM is capable of doing that if given the green light from upper management.

    The putting it back together is the hard bit.

  18. Schitzo says:

    Campoli is a pretty good hockey player, on a good contract.

    For the next six weeks. He’s an RFA after that, so the onus is on Ottawa to not cock it up.

  19. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Bank Shot said…
    I’m afraid I have to agree with Knighttown. The only thing Snow has proven thus far is that he is capable of tearing a franchaise to pieces. I think basically any GM is capable of doing that if given the green light from upper management.

    The putting it back together is the hard bit.

    No the hard bit, Bank Shot is admitting you have a problem. (Please see Kevin Lowe.)

    The next step in the 12 part program is then dealing with the root problem which usually involves tearing things apart in order to rebuild them.

    Cutting and pasting normally doesn’t solve this problem unless your name is Ken Holland.

  20. Mr DeBakey says:

    Campoli is good through 09-10
    at $633,333

    nhlnumbers.com
    and
    Cap Central
    both agree

  21. Coach pb9617 says:

    John Davidson- President, St. Louis Blues

    Put down the crackpipe and come out with your hands up!

  22. Coach pb9617 says:

    Snow is only looking decent by comparison – his predecessor was a freaking…hm, can’t use the word I want to use cause LT will delete the post…

    Milbury was the village idiot.

    Oh, by the bye, the Oilers need seven points in the next five games, including four against Columbus and Minnesota. They aren’t doing it without Pisani and another defenseman.

  23. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Coach pb9617 said…

    “Oh, by the bye, the Oilers need seven points in the next five games, including four against Columbus and Minnesota. They aren’t doing it without Pisani and another defenseman.”

    Lose to Calgary, which they will, and they need seven points in four games. They wouldn’t do with Pisani and Bobby Orr.

  24. mc79hockey says:

    Lose to Calgary, which they will, and they need seven points in four games. They wouldn’t do with Pisani and Bobby Orr.

    And, as you hinted at a few weeks back (I think it was you), LA and Phoenix have already shot past the Oil. ;)

    Why so negative FCM? Oilers are at home for four of the next five, with one game against a team that’s clearly better than them. Good time to make a little run.

    I’m telling you, we’re into the small sample here. Anything can happen. The differences between the teams fighting for the playoff spots are small enough that bounces matter more than skill.

    If you can’t be with the one you love (a legit top 4 western power), love the one you’re with (a top 10 team that just needs some bounces to make the playoffs.)

  25. hunter1909 says:

    What is up with the Kovalchuck to the Oilers blockbuster rumor I keep reading about?

    Seriously.

  26. Black Dog says:

    Where do you read that hunter? If that ever happened Hbomb would invent a new drink and throw back a dozen of them.

    Kovalchuk hasn’t had much of a year but what a sad sack franchise. Never saw that one coming. ;)

    Maybe they’ll move to Calgary as well.

  27. hockeyfan says:

    Ryan Smyth is coming home! you heard it here.

  28. hockeyfan says:

    Ryan Smyth is coming home! you heard it here.

  29. DBO says:

    I made the comment that ryan Smyth would help this team a few days ago. but meant it as a purely hypothetical statement. Never thought he’d be available or that we’d want his contract. Seems to have gained steam. We’d only get him if we dealt Penner’s deal so that it didn’t totally handcuff us long term.

  30. Doogie2K says:

    Campoli is a pretty good hockey player, on a good contract.

    For the next six weeks. He’s an RFA after that, so the onus is on Ottawa to not cock it up.

    Six weeks and one year.

    Scratch out Comrie and MacAmmond, essentially irrelevant, this is really SJ’s first for Campoli. Fair deal?

    Maybe they’ll move to Calgary as well.

    Oh Lord no. One’s enough, thanks.

  31. B.C.B. says:

    At first this looks really good for the Island, but really. Campoli is 23 and was one of two Dman on the Island that can move the puck and pt up points (not really top notch defensively, but not may offensive D’s are). The Islanders didn’t deal from a place of strength, or rid aged veterans to get picks, but instead parted with a young good puck moving defensive man a year or two way from his prime. I think it is bad for the Island, and worst for the Sens (as the Island could use the young- cheap- developing dman, if they want to make the playoffs in the next 5 years; and the Sens are in a position to re-stock at the draft: they would have got a top 10, a late first, and an (couple) additional 2/3 for anyone else they could sell).
    Repeat: Bad deal because it doesn’t help either one.

  32. B.C.B. says:

    Sorry: I meant to say ” the Sens were in a position to re-stock at the draft” but it doesn’t seem like hat is the route they are going.

  33. Black Gold says:

    TSN has a surprisingly relevant article…
    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=267960
    Mcammond for Comrie has to be a money thing. $4m vs .875? Thats worth noting.
    campoli for a 44% chance at a campoli? Thats also worth noting.
    Im sure $3M doesnt matter to Mr. Wang. So I’m not so sure how great NYI (or OTT) did here.
    What it rly comes down to, for me, is if Ott deals Comrie.
    I would love it to no end if they got some assets at the dead line for that bag of dicks.

  34. knighttown says:

    John Davidson- President, St. Louis Blues

    Put down the crackpipe and come out with your hands up!

    The president’s role is more than just on ice results and JD, by all accounts has created
    an environment that is desirable for players and fans alike. The attendance in St. Loo was 27th in 2006 and 30th and last in 2007. It rose to 13th last year and 11th this year and real numbers, from 12,000+ to 18,000+.

    At the draft table and in the war room, Davidson’s management team has done quite well picking up a no-brainer in Eric Johnson but also late 1st round gems such as Patrick Berglund, TJ Oshie and David Perron. Lars Eller, Alex Pietrangelo and Ian Cole are other good prospects.

    The picked up one of the few pure goal scorers that have been traded in the NHL in Brad Boyes for what looked like a spare part (Dennis Wideman) in a trade that looked minor and now appears to be a Blockbuster. They keenly matched on the David Backes offer sheet on a player who looks to be from the Keith Tkachuck/Brendan Morrow tree. They also picked up two pretty good pieces in Alex Steen and Carlo Colaiocovo, for Lee Stempniak.

    This team has been the most unhealthy team in the Western Conference (Kariya, McDonald, Brewer, EJ, Oshie) yet they’re only a few points out of a playoff spot. Because of the culture in S. Loo, they’ve mastered the trade of a vet for a prospect and then sign the vet back in the offseason move. Expect to see Tkachuck go again, and maybe Kariya, McDonald and McKee too.

    On the “next crappy team likely to be good lists” this team get overlooked. Assuming Chicago and Washington have graduated, I’d say the list is:
    -Columbus
    -LA
    -St.Louis
    -Edmonton
    -Phoenix
    -Colorado
    -Florida

    If Chis Mason is for real, they’re right up there.

  35. Lowetide says:

    I think this season is about the Islanders getting their Denis Potvin or Bryan Trottier at the draft.

    Can anyone reasonably argue against that statement?

  36. Mr. Bugg says:

    No, that’s a pretty astute comparison. They could get their Bossy next year in speedy Taylor Hall.

    Re: Davidson

    Having seen the Blues work first-hand at a Draft, they’re a tight-knit group that prides themselves on finding character. Davidson is a big part of that, and his philosophy has helped make them into the lean, adaptable group they are.

    I think they have the smallest draft-day braintrust- while not every team fills an entire room like Calgary and TB, AlMac/Davidson/Pleau/Kekalainen do the majority of the work.

  37. Schitzo says:

    Whoops, good catch guys on Campoli’s contract. I skimmed HF and made the mistake of assuming I’d see accurate information.

  38. GorillazXL says:

    I was never a big fan of Dvidson as a commentator, but as Knightown suggested, he’s been a shrewd if not clever GM. The blues have quietly built a stockpile of prospects mean while icing a team that is mid level competitive. I also didn’t think Pleau was the reason why the Blues are where they were 4 years ago… it was bound to happen, they were a playoff team for 30 years straight.

    GXL

  39. Bruce says:

    KT: Good call on Davidson. The Blues have had nothing but shit for luck when it comes to keeping their players healthy, but have stockpiled some mighty impressive young talent. Andy Murray is one of the sharpest coaches in the biz, and with a steady hand at the tiller like JD I expect he will stick with Murray through the hard times.

    Despite the injuries the Blues have hung around, and while they are still last in the West where they have been for months, as of today they have actually caught up with Phoneix and Colorado, with all three hovering just 5 points below the playoff cut line. The Blues have gained ground on the pack with a 9-3-4 run over their last 16 and don’t appear to be going away to say the least.

    They have some important decisions to make before deadline day, cuz a 2008-09 season that seemed a write-off at New Year’s has become more promising by the week. Their position is not that different from the 2007-08 Oilers who were down in the standings and down on their luck but rode their kids to more exciting and meaningful hockey down the stretch than any reasonable person might have expected.

  40. Scott says:

    Ryan Smyth for Nilsson, O’Marra and 1st (Plante)- clear loss.

    I don’t think this is at all true. There was some excitement in LI when Smyth came in so that’s a + in terms of dollars. They made two playoff dates so that’s a + in terms of dollars. Nilsson is a pretty good player but O’Marra is junk and the first rounder is something for down the line. Plus they made the playoffs by so little that it seems somewhat reasonable to suggest that Smyth actually made the difference.

  41. godot10 says:

    Ted Nolan had alienated Grebeshkov. There was no way Grebeshkov was coming back to the Island. So it is hard to blame Snow for treding him.

    Larry Pleau was a really good player personnel guy for the Rangers for over a decade (Leitch, Vanbiesbrouck, Richter, Weight, Amonte, etc.) When he became GM before the lockout with a rich Walmart owner in St. Louis, he became too obsessed to free agents and spending money. Davidson appears to have him back to being focused on being a personnel guy like he was with the Rangers. And Kekalainen is pretty damn good too.

  42. Master Lok says:

    I have to agree with Knighttown. Your description of Snow as the “best executive hire of the decade” seems premature at best. What’s so spectacular that he’s done? Is the Islanders a dominant team? By what measure are judging Snow to be the best executive?

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