Oilers at Habs, G66/08-09

Bob Gainey fired his friend yesterday, proving it can actually happen.

The Habs are 100 years old this season and are supposed to win the Stanley. Problem: lots of people didn’t get the memo. Montreal didn’t do much at the deadline and so they had to do something in order to stem the recent tide.

Montreal used to callup Rogie Vachon or Ken Dryden from the minors when this sort of thing happened, but since Carey Price has already begun his HOF career in Montreal there isn’t much left on the farm.

If Gainey really wanted the Stanley this season he’d have traded that Pacioretty fellow to fill holes, but he didn’t pull the trigger and now his team is in a life and death for the second season.

I think Gainey flushed Carbonneau yesterday because it’s pretty hard to fire the coach when the club is on a two game winning streak.

The parallels between Montreal’s management/coach situation and the one in Edmonton are obvious but it’s worthwhile pointing out some quick stats:

Guy Carbonneau
  • Regular Season Record: 124-106 .539 (18 games over .500)
  • Playoff Record: 5-7 .417 (2 games under .500)
  • Deepest run: Quarterfinals 2008 (beat Boston then lost to Philly)

Craig MacTavish

  • Regular Season Record: 295-297 .498 (2 games under .500)
  • Playoff Record: 17-13 .567 (4 games over .500)
  • Deepest run: G7 SCF 2006

I counted the OTL as a loss, you can certainly do it another way. I think reasonable men would agree that the Canadiens have had better rosters for the entire time Carbonneau has been coach and for much of this season he looked like a guy who could have a Stanley Cup ring by Canada Day.

It was not to be, and should the Oilers miss the playoffs and retain the coach it might be worth asking about organizational priorities.

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  1. PunjabiOil says:

    That’s 2 defensive zone draws the 4th line has taken this period – neither of them icing calls.

    Amazing how the powerplay can look good when…you know…they move their feet.

  2. mc79hockey says:

    Geez, looked like Strudwick was torn between helping Roli freeze it or going to his backhand and putting things away there. Yikes.

  3. Scott says:

    Columbus wins over Boston. As much as that’s not good news for the Oilers, I am happy for Scott Howson and for the poor city of Columbus who were saddled with Doug MacLean for too long.

    Some nice work in the defensive zone and in getting the puck deep by O’Sullivan on his last shift too.

    Icing with the fourth line out seems like a recipe for disaster.

  4. Lowetide says:

    The Oilers sure fall down a lot when the puck is passed to them. I think it happens to them more than any other team. Seriously. Eric Brewer was good for one every three games back in the day but they’ve kept the light on since he left that’s for sure.

  5. Lord Bob says:

    Souray out for the night with a lower-body injury. Craig Mactavish looks longingly at a picture of Toby Petersen, gnashes his teeth.

  6. Bruce says:

    Anybody see what happened to Souray? We’re thin enough on the back end without losing the workhorse.

  7. Mike says:

    Other Catholics in the house, excellent! Give it up for mah homie JEEEEE-BUS!

    Bruce – leading, winning, it’s a good news story, at least for now. I say fuck semantics!

  8. Coach pb9617 says:

    Horcoff through 40 minutes: 0 shots, 1 missed shot, 2 giveaways, 44% on the dot, and -2. His hands have completely deserted him, and his head has gone looking for them.

    He is missing a left wing that makes him a top 20 ES player.

    Just sayin…

    Columbus wins over Boston. As much as that’s not good news for the Oilers, I am happy for Scott Howson and for the poor city of Columbus who were saddled with Doug MacLean for too long.

    I was talking to a few people from a customer today in Columbus – you should hear the excitement…

  9. Lowetide says:

    And now Peckham gets the call. WHY didn’t they get a nice veteran D and a goalie?

    MAN!

  10. Scott says:

    Who here is surprised that Stortini has more dzone draws than ozone draws?

    Also, according to Ched Souray is injured and not returning. That’s not good.

  11. speeds says:

    Some movement on the PP results in chances? Weird.

    I’m not saying they should take Souray off the PP, but maybe a PP like that will help the guys to see that a static PP revolving around a Souray slapshot isn’t necessarily the best way to run a PP.

  12. PunjabiOil says:

    Lets hope it’s just precautionary reasons for Souray.

  13. Coach pb9617 says:

    Every time I see 19 I have Reasoner flashbacks.

    The long passes continue. Strange.

  14. Bruce says:

    Grebs was dancing on that last PP. He swirls all by himself.

  15. Lowetide says:

    I know it’s been mentioned by O’Sullivan made a real nice play getting back there. Nilsson’s done that a time or two this season as well, this club has some nice things going on.

  16. Scott says:

    And now Peckham gets the call. WHY didn’t they get a nice veteran D and a goalie?

    1. They think Peckham is as good as the alternatives that were available and affordable.

    2. I don’t know. Maybe Jonathan was right and they’re calling up Sabourin.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Well there’s your screw job.

  18. Bruce says:

    Cheap deflection. Shit.

  19. mc79hockey says:

    It don’t come easy…you know it don’t come easy.

  20. Coach pb9617 says:

    Okay, so, the coach looks directly at the players Montreal has on the ice – sees Tanguay, Koivu and Kostitsyn – and puts Reddox, Brodziak and Stortini out?

    That’s good coachering.

  21. HBomb says:

    If that is off the glove, that cannot count, right?

  22. mc79hockey says:

    If this counts, she’s going to be gentleman’s rules for the next 4.5, I’d think. Everyone gets a point and then it gets sorted out.

  23. Bruce says:

    That shouldn’t count.

  24. Bruce says:

    But we are in Montreal.

  25. Scott says:

    I was talking to a few people from a customer today in Columbus – you should hear the excitement…

    This means that they’re not excited I assume? I don’t know, I think missing the playoffs for so many seasons in a row probably hurt the market. There was a time when Edmonton couldn’t draw 15,000.

    Also, here comes the Canadien call, Hbomb, you prophet.

  26. HBomb says:

    I don’t care how it happens, but one point is a minimum.

    Bull-fucking-shit. Only in Montreal does that count.

  27. PDO says:

    What a load of shit.

  28. Lowetide says:

    Just a quick note to thank Steve “Swiss Cheese” Staios for blocking that pass.

  29. HBomb says:

    God-damn Scabitants, they’re getting EVERY damn bounce in the book in the third, plus crooked officiating on top of it.

  30. Bruce says:

    Good on this 15 year old kid who’s getting a chance to ref an NHL game.

    Ben Dover IV.

  31. Lowetide says:

    Pouliot sure can pick the corner.

  32. Coach pb9617 says:

    This means that they’re not excited I assume? I don’t know, I think missing the playoffs for so many seasons in a row probably hurt the market. There was a time when Edmonton couldn’t draw 15,000.

    No – they are legitimately excited. And they all hate Maclean. They love them both Howson and Hitch.

  33. Bruce says:

    The shots against rate has now reached the theoretical maximum of one per second.

  34. Lowetide says:

    Bruce: Your typewriter is on fire.

  35. Scott says:

    No – they are legitimately excited. And they all hate Maclean. They love them both Howson and Hitch.

    My apologies. Also, that’s great to hear.

  36. HBomb says:

    Horcoff couldn’t buy a loaf of week old Wonder bread with a fistful of twenties right now.

    OK powerplay, time to win us a fucking hockey game.

  37. Phil says:

    Dear God;

    This team is due for a PP goal. That is all.

  38. mc79hockey says:

    Great work by Horc to get that chance.

    This has been a great game.

  39. Bruce says:

    LT: That was two different shots. (The second was by Pouliot)

  40. Scott says:

    So did we score on the PP? I was in the washroom.

  41. Bruce says:

    Quick, somebody buy a skate sharpener.

  42. Lowetide says:

    Someone shoot the powerplay. Please.

  43. kris says:

    Les crap

  44. Mike says:

    SOMEBODY PLEASE UN-FUCK THIS POWER PLAY

  45. Scarlett says:

    Ugh this powerplay needs help. Is Craig Simpson busy?

  46. Black Gold says:

    It’d be nice to out shoot the other team when we got the PP..

  47. Scott says:

    So we didn’t score then. Huh.

  48. Chris says:

    I loved the Oilers urgency on that last powerplay. I saw that competive drive just leaping right out.

  49. Jon says:

    I’ve said it before but turnovers on the offensive blue line are unacceptable and I counted 4 in the last minute

  50. HBomb says:

    The Oiler PP STILL sucks goats’ balls.

  51. Bruce says:

    Is this the worst powerplay in the hsitory of the league? We’te just goddamned lucky not to lose on a shortie in the lasttwo minutes.

    That was nothing short of terrible hockey.

    1 for 9 fucking games. Let’s hire a coach with a Fucking Clue.

  52. godot10 says:

    Hemsky has to move the puck on the PP instead of just holding it forever.

  53. Dennis says:

    Did everyone miss how many shifts we played the 51 line in the 4th? And then we play them in the last 5 min and they give up the goal.

    I’m done with MacT.

    I can’t support stupidity and/or guys who think they’re too smart for their own good.

    Seriously, I’m done.

  54. Chris says:

    Jesus and they can’t even stay standing up in overtime.

  55. Phil says:

    Guy Carbenneau can coach a PP. I hear he’s available.

  56. mc79hockey says:

    Nice bookend to the roadtrip here.

    (In before the goal.)

  57. Scott says:

    Is this the worst powerplay in the history of the league?

    Now, now. How many games did we play last year before scoring a PP goal?

  58. PDO says:

    So far, both our OT losses have come on the PK.

  59. kris says:

    Strudwick?

  60. mc79hockey says:

    Strudwick rolls it up the middle. Lucky that worked.

  61. Chris says:

    Now the Oilers patented Craig MacTavish PK expertise put to the test…and as I drolly write that we’re scored on and I’m not freaking surprised.

  62. Bruce says:

    Does this teamn ever Suck. They finally touched the puck 45 seconds into overtime and Hemsky wipes out Gilbert.

  63. Phil says:

    A microcosim of the Oilers’ ST this year.

  64. Dennis says:

    MacT absolutely deserves it.

    Kept trotting out the 4th line and eventually it bite them.

  65. PDO says:

    Nice work Toronto.

  66. Scott says:

    Well. That’s not good. On the bright side, probably our best game of the trip.

  67. andy grabia says:

    Outshot 17-2 in the 2nd, and the Habs still win. Looks like MacT is due for an extension.

  68. Chris says:

    Its almost amazing that that much incompetence on both sides of special teams could transpire within several minutes.

  69. Lowetide says:

    They could have won this game, folks.

  70. Bruce says:

    Total loss of composure. Total. The whole fucking team panicked in the last 10 minutes.

  71. HBomb says:

    Horse-shit. Special teams costs us, and the refs help it along.

    Fuck you Saku Koivu, you piece of shit.

  72. relic says:

    the fact they call that slashing now is one of the things I hate about the nhl. it happens 10s of times during the game but if you happen to break the stick then it’s a penalty…

  73. reijo29 says:

    Now we all know why Smid wants out? Mac T obviously thinks Struds ia better D man. Played Struds w/ Staios when Souray went down. Brutal.
    Is there anything, anything that can support that theory?

  74. HBomb says:

    They could have won this game, folks.

    They SHOULD have won this game. SHOULD have.

    If anyone has any faith left in MacT after tonight, I do not understand why. The special teams abortion is enough reason to fire his ass, playoffs or not.

  75. Dennis says:

    You can’t keep playing the 4th line that many times. You didn’t play last night and you aren’t playing tomorrow and you don’t have three Pahlsson’s on the fourth line.

    I haven’t been this livid in ages.

  76. mc79hockey says:

    Yeah, relic, agreed. It’s a bizarre thing. 4-2 Sharks with 8 minutes to go…come on, come on, come on.

  77. PunjabiOil says:

    “MacT types” in Stortini, Reddox play ~10 minutes today – all at EV.

    On the road.

    MacT is a dummy. There is no other way to say it.

    Any update on Souray?

  78. Phil says:

    Ugh – we have to watch baseball now? What a boring standstill sport.

    :)

  79. Coach pb9617 says:

    Anson Kotalik in three games: zero points, five shots, -2

    The first line has one goal in three games.

    1 for 9 fucking games. Let’s hire a coach with a Fucking Clue.

    Nah. Send Penner to the A. Put Reddox and Moreau on the first line. That’ll fix things.

  80. Chris says:

    Not to reiterate what gets said a hundred times here but man the coaching seems really indefensible when our special tems are that bloody weak..not to mention MacT’s current love affair with playing his grinders.

  81. PunjabiOil says:

    That’s 3 overtime games lost playing 3 against 4.

    Either kill them off, or don’t take dumb penalties.

  82. PunjabiOil says:

    In out of town scoreboard:

    Dallas losing 5-2
    Nashville losing 2-1
    Minnesota losing 4-2

    The Oilers failed to capitalize on an opportunity though – that’s for sure.

  83. Coach pb9617 says:

    Did everyone miss how many shifts we played the 51 line in the 4th? And then we play them in the last 5 min and they give up the goal.

    *raises hand*

    Coach pb9617 said…

    Okay, so, the coach looks directly at the players Montreal has on the ice – sees Tanguay, Koivu and Kostitsyn – and puts Reddox, Brodziak and Stortini out?

    That’s good coachering.
    7:52 PM, March 10, 2009

  84. Chris says:

    Maybe O’Sullivan just didn’t get the memo that your only suposed to take penalties at bad times like that if your the captain of the team, or if they’re agressive because those are easier to kill off.

  85. kris says:

    If this panicky group makes it into the playoffs, they get destroyed.

    MacT’s use of the 4th and Strudwick was absurd. I know Souray went down, but still…

    Either our first line, with Penner, better be reunited or split Hemsky and Horcoff, they could have been better.

    It’s really official now. Our special teams are so horrible, no matter who plays on them including talents like Souray and Hemsky, that the cause must be coaching. This coaching staff has had plenty of time to teach, to make adjustments, and to bring in help. They haven’t and there is no argument about whether they should be replaced. None.

  86. mc79hockey says:

    4-3 Sharks, 6 minutes left.

  87. Black Gold says:

    I caught the 3rd and OT.
    That was an unbelievable lack of execution. Nobody could make anything happen.
    Fairly depressing stuff.

    Is it too early to associate missing Souray in the third and playing like a bag of dicks in the third?

  88. Lowetide says:

    NETHERLANDS!! You beautiful orange bastards!!!!

  89. Schitzo says:

    I’m thinking it’s a good thing I’m Robotussin’d to the gills. If I could feel feelings right now, I think I would be mad.

  90. Bruce says:

    Dennis/Punjabi Oil: While you’re busy heaping blame on the fourth line for Koivu’s illegal goal, our special teams are fucking killing us. 5 on 4, 4 on 4, 3 on 4 in the last four minutes, and every time we touched the puck we either checked ourselves and/or threw it straight to the nearest Hab. I’m just beside myself at how shitty we played with the game on the line.

  91. Lord Bob says:

    The Netherlands just scored two runs in the bottom of the eleventh to beat the Dominican Republic in one of the finest baseball games I’ve seen in many moons.

    You know what? The Oilers can lose if they want.

  92. PunjabiOil says:

    Did everyone miss how many shifts we played the 51 line in the 4th?

    It wasn’t just the last goal. There were 2 instances prior to that in the third period alone where MacT sent out the 4th line on defensive zone draws.

    Just brain dead.

  93. Woodguy says:

    Well the Oilers respond to their coach and give him the type of effort he asks for.

    Lots of "jam".

    Lots of "battle"

    In response MacTavish was instrumental in the Oilers only getting a point out of this game.

    How?

    2 way.

    1) 85-51-46 was getting schooled all night. They didn't play well in their own zone, and as soon as Gainey saw they were on the ice, out came Koivu's line.

    With about 9 minutes to go, this line survives another onslaught by Koivu & Co. As soon as they leave the ice, I think "whew, at least that line won't see the ice again tonight" Yes, I honest thought that.

    Then with 5 min to play with a one goal lead, MacTavish sends them over the boards again, Gainey responds with Koivu's line, and the puck ends up in the back of the net.

    2) With a 3-2 lead the Oilers go on the powerplay at 6:39 of the first. A goal here is huge. Massive. No shots, no organization.

    Then with 2 minutes to go in the game, they get a gift powerplay. Again a fucking Chinese fire drill on the powerplay.

    Hemsky and Gagner both trying to play the 1/2 wall on the same side of the ice. No on in front for the most part. Horcoff tries a bit, but settles in at the bottom of the circle. No shots.

    The powerplay is dreadful. You can blame the players, but the system comes down to coaching and the coaching is shit.

    The Oilers played well. Played like their coach has begged them to play.

    Their coach respond with putting out a line that was shit all night in a critical spot where they simply didn't need to be.

    I may be nit picking, but to waste an effort like that is a real piss off.

    I hope Souray is ok. What's the word on him?

  94. HBomb says:

    Bruce: is it just me, or does it appear that even 4-on-4, this team looks like it’s a man down and getting pwn3d by the opposition?

    Fucking conservative tactical bullshit. The Oilers should take a page out of the Habs book and dust MacTavish tomorrow. Let Lowe run the bench for the rest of the season.

  95. Bank Shot says:

    Yea they panicked. I don’t remember the Oilers ever being that good under pressure. Even in the 05-06 season they lost 7 in a row, and buried themselves in the standings before they went on that month and a half long tear into December which put them in the division lead at one point.

    They seaped into the playoffs, then proceeded to play pretty well as the underdogs until they blew it in the first game of the finals as the overdogs, then put themselves in a big hole, only to fight back, and come out flat in game 7.

    Always going on big tears at seasons end when they’re almost mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

    Sure they could use some better players, but things are just staying the same around this team. They’ve changed over the players six times. Perhaps they’ll try something else this offseason.

  96. docweb says:

    Replay on the last pathetic PP showed Horcoff trying to battle with Komasarik…no contest of course.
    Not that it would have helped probably but Penner at least wins that exercise.

  97. PunjabiOil says:

    Apparently Washington’s goal didn’t count. Still 1-1.

  98. Bruce says:

    Schitzo: Sounds like a good idea. “Mad” doesn’t begin to cover it. I haven’t Yelled at my TV like that for about 4 or 5 years.

    The degree of incompetence for an NHL team that Needs points was just shocking. An instructional video on how to lose a hockey game and look like absolute fucking nitwits in the process.

  99. mc79hockey says:

    Owen Nolan just tied the Wild/Sharks game.

  100. Coach pb9617 says:

    Not that it would have helped probably but Penner at least wins that exercise.

    He won it repeatedly in the last game.

  101. Lord Bob says:

    I think I can sum up all of this with the simple observation: the Oilers problem is clearly Dustin Penner. More Moreau please!

  102. PDO says:

    Minnesota ties it up.

    This is fucking surreal.

  103. kris says:

    Well, I suppose MacT’s defense about the 4th line would be: who the hell else can take the draw but Brodziak when Horc is winded? I need another vet center… blah

  104. mc79hockey says:

    I think Brian Boucher is taking money under the table from the Wild. He just made a Conklin-esque play with the puck.

  105. pboy says:

    I don’t feel too bad for a professional athlete very often but if Brodziak doesn’t get the 3rd line center gig next season, I’m gonna officially feel his pain. He’s a right handed shot, decent on faceoffs, takes the body, opportunistic around the net when he gets chances, has a clue what to do in his own end, he works his ass off on the penalty kill, he has 10 goals without see a second of pp time…..wtf am I missing? He’s been anchored with Stortini all season and on his other wing his had such talents as Reddox, MacIntyre, Moreau…..

  106. Bruce says:

    Bruce: is it just me, or does it appear that even 4-on-4, this team looks like it’s a man down and getting pwn3d by the opposition?

    Nope, it’s not just you. We’re getting pwn3d.

    I said to my wife at the beginning of OT (after we barely survived our own powerplay to secure the Bettman Point) that it’s just a matter of time now, and in the next 100 seconds not one single thing went right for the Oilers. Conservative bullshit didn’t even enter into it, it was just full chase and panic mode.

    We needed the very thing Dustin Penner got benched for, a cooler head.

  107. Woodguy says:

    Put up my first post without reading the thread….ummm….guess I was preaching to the choir.

    Lots to like about this team if they play this way.

    If Horcoff needs 27 to be good, then there is no God.

    If Horcoff needs 27 to be good, then he’s not the player we all think (hope) him to be.

    I hate this coach.

    Fire everyone except Huddy, unless it was Huddy putting 43 out instead of 5. If it was, get rid of him too.

  108. Coach pb9617 says:

    Fire everyone except Huddy, unless it was Huddy putting 43 out instead of 5. If it was, get rid of him too.

    Unless he’s the one that had the boys on the back end firing long bombs from the jump. That was one of the few nice tactical moves I’ve seen from an oilers team all year.

  109. Coach pb9617 says:

    If Horcoff needs 27 to be good, then there is no God.

    If Horcoff needs 27 to be good, then he’s not the player we all think (hope) him to be.

    He might not need 27, but he sure as shit needs something better than that floating turd Kotalik. Not to say I told you so, but I said here that he was Anson Carter on deadline day. There’s a reason that he’s always been a fringe player in Buffalo.

  110. Woodguy says:

    Unless he’s the one that had the boys on the back end firing long bombs from the jump. That was one of the few nice tactical moves I’ve seen from an oilers team all year.

    I said to my daughter (all of 20 days old) as we watched the game, “The next good pass Staios gives will be his first”

    Then he fires a good hard one 70 feet on 13′s stick that ends up in the back of the net.

    Whodathunkit?

    I’ve always liked Huddy and I think he’s done a great job with 77,37 and 5.

    But you can’t play cementskates 43 over 5. No way. I really hope he’s not making that decision.

    If he’s not, he really needs to talk to MacTavish in private about that.

  111. speeds says:

    I’d like to see O’Sullivan’s penalty again. It was probably a penalty by the way the call the rules now, but man, talk about everything going wrong to force him to have to make that play. Not only that, but as far as the “it’s a slash because the stick was broken” penalties go, it looked more like a battle for a (relatively) loose puck. Don’t get me wrong, the broken stick is there to see, there’s no denying it was a pretty hard swing of the stick, but it was a fight for a loose puck.

  112. DBO says:

    Thanks for the love hunter. Never saw the game, just looked at the stats. And i have a question: why did Coglinao see less ice time then Reddox? in fact he saw less ice time then everyone but Stortini (and close to brodziak)? i mean all he does is score and create opportunities. What am I missing? Yeah he can’t take a faceoff, but neither can gagner and he gets way more opportunity. Dying a bit more each day inside.

  113. Lowetide says:

    speeds: Especially considering the scythe Kovalev ran out there tonight.

  114. PunjabiOil says:

    Atlanta on somewhat of a hot-streak. Up 2-0 over Colorado.

    Just the type of game I expect the Oilers to come out slow from the gates.

  115. Woodguy says:

    He might not need 27, but he sure as shit needs something better than that floating turd Kotalik. Not to say I told you so, but I said here that he was Anson Carter on deadline day. There’s a reason that he’s always been a fringe player in Buffalo.

    Agreed.

    Looks worth more like a 5th or 6th instead of a 2nd.

    Hemsky looks confused out there as well.

    21 can’t skate with these guys. Not even close really.

    If MacTavish is going to keep 27 on his ass, then I would be nice to see 19 given a turn up there.

    At least he can skate with these guys.

  116. DBO says:

    Don’t be crazy, why play O’Sullivan in his common position when you can play kotalik out of position.

  117. DBO says:

    Crazy like a fox

  118. Bank Shot says:

    O’Sullivan can’t skate either….

  119. Bruce says:

    Smid played 5 shifts in the last 8 minutes of the third, Strudwick none. 43 did get the shift on the PK in OT, though, and obviously that didn’t work out too well.

  120. gary b says:

    Wild lose in OT. Preds lose in OT.

    Dallas down by three in the 3rd.

    things could be worse.

  121. Bruce says:

    Woodguy: Congrats. That’s what’s really important. #1?

  122. Bruce says:

    What I like about playing Kotalik on the left side is that we got 3 LW in the PB and another one on IR. The roster is just wacko.

  123. docweb says:

    This was one of those games where the “seen him good” guys and the “stats” guys will all agree

    The PK stinks and the PK is stinky and it is obvious to even the casual observer it is costing us games and probably the playoffs.

    Can you imagine trying to compete in the playoffs with a PP and PK like that?

  124. Icecastles says:

    docweb said… Can you imagine trying to compete in the playoffs with a PP and PK like that?

    Can you imagine trying to compete FOR the playoffs with a PP and PK like that.

  125. Bank Shot says:

    We should trade for that Stoll guy.

    He’s the same as O’Sullivan except he’s bigger, has a good point shot, and can win faceoffs.

  126. PunjabiOil says:

    The only good news is, aside from St. Louis, none of the teams behind us gained on us. In fact, they lost their otherwise limited home gains remaining.

    The Oilers have a stretch here where they need wins.

    Atlanta, Colorado, St. Louis, (all at home) followed by Colorado on the road. All of these are winnable games. Get 6-7 points, and you get some breathing room.

    Despite the fact that Anaheim and Dallas are struggling, they are right on our ass (Dallas 1 point, Minnesota 2 points, and Anaheim 3). A 2-3 game losing streak, and things can change swiftly.

    It would be nice if Kevin Lowe steps behind the bench – the organization extract better results because the players would play hard for the guy that paid them handsomely.

  127. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: Congrats. That’s what’s really important. #1?

    Thanks Bruce! You are bang on. She is my first and most important thing in the world to me.

    I also disagree as to 19′s skating ability Bank Shot.

    He was skating well with 13 and 34, and those two move very well.

  128. Dennis says:

    Bruce: I am on the record as saying that you can make a case for firing the guy based on ST play alone. Tonight doesn’t nothing to change that because while we did have a couple of great chances, that doesn’t excuse the rest of the season and it doesn’t hide the fact we gave up two SH chances tonight as well.

    But, all that aside, it’s easier to keep players out of harm’s way than it is to teach a PP. We’re playing like three days a week now and no BTB’s and there’s no excuse for getting caught with those guys out there.

    He’s lost me and fuck ‘em.

  129. PunjabiOil says:

    Anything on MacT’s presser regarding Souray?

  130. Icecastles says:

    Fire the coach. It’s clear he’s lost the blogosphere.

  131. PunjabiOil says:

    FUCK…Souray injured the same shoulder and is likely out for the year, as per Tencer.

    That’s just one of the possible outcomes of Souray’s injury.

    Stay tuned.

  132. Schitzo says:

    That’s just one of the possible outcomes of Souray’s injury.

    Stay tuned.

    Not funny thx

  133. Dennis says:

    I’m not saying it because 44′s hurt; but you guys know I wanted a real D picked up so we’d have quasi-insurance against this stuff.

  134. mc79hockey says:

    Ryan Rishaug is cuing up a report in which he explains that we can’t judge whether Souray’s contract is good or bad because of the sheer volume of games that he’s missed.

  135. HBomb says:

    PJO: Fuck off, not funny. At all.

  136. mc79hockey says:

    Wait, I’m confused. Is Souray’s shoulder fucked?

  137. PunjabiOil says:

    Apparently Souray is fine.

    From Rin of HF:

    “MacT said it wasn’t serious, he also said Souray wanted to come back out but they didn’t think it was worth the risk.”

  138. mc79hockey says:

    “MacT said it wasn’t serious, he also said Souray wanted to come back out but they didn’t think it was worth the risk.”

    Yeah, at this point, all you really want to do is make sure that everyone’s healthy for the playoffs. It’s not like there was a big PP or anything that Souray could have helped with.

  139. Dennis says:

    Did MacT say anything about 44 running the bench?

    Seriously, I can’t get past that third period:)

  140. docweb says:

    That third looked like the third against the Wild at home a week or so ago. Totally outplayed and just hanging on.

    Big difference tonight was the chance (ha,ha) with the late PP.

    Just pisses you off.

    Going for the game Thurs and Sat. Hope for the same effort as periods one and two and special teams that don’t totally blow.

  141. HBomb says:

    I like Brodziak and all, but MacT has WAY too much faith in that fourth line.

    Letting them get caught out against other teams’ top lines is a totally unacceptable tactical error.

  142. Traktor says:

    Cogs now has 2 more goals than Horcoff and is only behind Hemsky yet MacT sends out Pouliot and a guy who hasn’t played in weeks (Nilsson) in place of him?

    MacT is such a fucking tool, and while it’s nice that some of his followers have jumped ship it’s always been this way. MacT has ALWAYS been the x-factor. I was talking about self-inflicted wounds before the season even started.

  143. Scarlett says:

    So Souray is probably okay? I screeched when I heard the first comment that he might be gone for the season with a shoulder injury. Whew!! This team needs him soooooo badly!!

  144. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Lowetide said…
    They could have won this game, folks.

    Sure they could.
    Horcoff hits the open net in the first period and they win in regulation.

  145. Bruce says:

    Scarlett: PJO is a sick man.

  146. Coach pb9617 says:

    He was skating well with 13 and 34, and those two move very well.

    Like Sophia Loren in an evening gown.

    Alright, so I like Pisani. Alot.

    http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3094

    Hey look, first line outchanced again. One goal in three games. A soft-ass floater that hates the net and the boards playing out of position, acquired for a valuable second pick because the coach is a whiny little bitch that wants it his way. Great coaches adapt to match gameplans and tactics to the personnel, shitty coaches need great personnel men to make them look great. Fucking shit. Just put this guy out of his misery already. Fire his ass and let him go back to the booze.

  147. Bruce says:

    LT: Sure, they had lots of chances to win the game. They were full value for the lead, and it could have been wider if Horc in particular could actually hit the puck with his stick.

    What I can’t get past, like Dennis, is how with the game on the line the whole team acted like their breathing passages were blocked by constricted sphincters.

  148. pboy says:

    FCM:

    Do you really think Horcoff is the reason why they lost this game? Really? He has been struggling mightily to put up points but don’t you see that he’s running on fumes out there? Don’t kill the guy because he jumps over the boards everytime the coach calls his name. He’s been overplayed and is carrying too much of a load but if Horcoff is the reason this team is struggling, I’m not seeing it.

  149. Traktor says:

    Cogs back up to 15.7% – I only mention it because MC brought him up as soon as he dropped under 15.

  150. Coach pb9617 says:

    What I can’t get past, like Dennis, is how with the game on the line the whole team acted like their breathing passages were blocked by constricted sphincters.

    I’d be scared as shit too if the bus driver was lobotomized, snorting dried dog shit out of a shot glass and waiving his private parts around like a monkey in mating season.

  151. pboy says:

    FCM:

    How about Rolli closing his legs on the second goal? Or Staios diving out of the way of the puck for Koivu’s “hand” goal? What about the fact the PP hasn’t clicked in ’09? Or the PK has been shit since George W. was still in charge? How about the 4th line being on the ice against the Hab’s #1 line? No chance that any of these were contributing factors to the Oil only pulling out 1 point. Stop beating that fucking drum already.

  152. Coach pb9617 says:

    The best part about all of this is that it’s Edmonton, so tonight’s loss will be brought to you by Robert Nilsson.

  153. pboy says:

    lol

  154. Traktor says:

    27-10-34
    19-13-83
    12-89-21
    78-51-46

  155. Woodguy says:

    27-10-34
    19-13-83
    12-89-21
    78-51-46

    I swap RW on 1 & 2.

    Line 2 will never get a puck off the wall as you have it.

    Otherwise I like it a lot.

  156. Dennis says:

    Trak: you’re absolutely nuts not to keep 89-78 together. They’ve been fleshed out with all of Cole-19-12 and they still keep creating chances. So, it looks like the constants are 89-78.

    Anyway, seeing our bench get worked over and MacT not being smart enough to avoid it, it feels like I’m Bill Henrickson and MacT’s running of the bench is Nikki and I just saw Nikki kissing that DA and I just can’t trust her anymore.

    Plus, I just remembered she also kissed the DA last Tues in Nash and then it really hurts.

    If you’re still following me, God love you, you know that I have lost my faith in MacT.

  157. Doogie2K says:

    Okay, now everyone here knows I’m a fan of both teams, so in principle, I’m happiest with a three-point game, and let the chips fall where they may.

    I didn’t watch the majority of the game, but I did see the last five minutes, and while I missed OT, I read far enough along to know what happened.

    I cannot, in good conscience, endorse this result as a fan of either team, nor as a fan of hockey. I call bullshit.

  158. Traktor says:

    “Line 2 will never get a puck off the wall as you have it.”

    If the smaller kid line had success last year then why couldn’t that 2nd line?

    Not every goal has to be scored on the cycle. Not every goal has to be mucked into the net.

  159. Coach pb9617 says:

    27-10-34
    19-13-83
    12-89-21
    78-51-46

    At least have a second line with a chance against tough sledding:

    27-10-83
    19-51-34
    78-89-13
    12-85-46

  160. Traktor says:

    Dennis:

    78 has shown some chem with 89 but the thing is Pouliot is probably our 4th or 5th best defensive forward.

    10-34 plus 78-51 gives us two solid solid tough minute options.

    Or else would could run Liam and Stortini on the secondary tough line and get grilled like tonight.

    I’m shamed to say I had to look up Bill Henrickson. Sounds like a hilarious show from reading up on it on Wikipedia though.

  161. relic says:

    blogblender in full effect. 13 and 34 have looked good together. According to Dennis they were 3/1 tonight (13 with only 11:54, what’s up with that). Didn’t someone mention twos recently?

    10-83
    89-78
    13-34
    51-46

    the question is what to do with the left wing, no?

  162. Matt says:

    What a horseshit non-call.

    Reminds of of 05-06 the way this team is getting jobbed.

  163. kris says:

    MacT is such a fucking tool, and while it’s nice that some of his followers have jumped ship it’s always been this way. MacT has ALWAYS been the x-factor. I was talking about self-inflicted wounds before the season even started.

    I’ll ignore the irritatingly self congratulatory part of this, but the factual assertion that MacT has ALWAYS been the problem with this team conflicts with the evidence. Or, at the very least, the evidence of previous seasons showed MacT did well enough in past campaigns.

    I mean seriously, if we’re going to hold the coach responsible for our PK now, we have to also recognize that he’s done a good job with the PK in the past. A decent PK used to be MacT’s calling card. And although the PP is underperforming now, even given the presence of PP studs like Hemsky, Souray, and Visnovsky for a while, MacT hasn’t always had the horses he needs for a strong PP.

    He took a few teams on some good runs. He had some young teams that were inconsistent. Really did well in the cup run. Decent work all in all.

    But he’s lost it recently. Maybe he’ll get it back here or elsewhere. Doesn’t matter, but a change is in order.

    —-

    A side note on Traktor’s self congratulatory thoughts on Cogliano’s shooting percentage. I sided with the Trak man on the Cogliano shooting percentage debate. I did so because Briere has a similar career percentage. Speed kills and all that. However, I seem to remember that even our opponents in that debate thought 13-14 percent was a plausible percentage for Cogs. So, in the end, the Cogliano shooting percentage pessimists really weren’t that far off the mark and the whole debate was sort of a nonstarter.

    (If the Oilogosphere has anything to be embarrassed about getting wrong, it’s how wrong we were on Souray and I think we were unanimous on it.)

  164. rickibear says:

    (If the Oilogosphere has anything to be embarrassed about getting wrong, it’s how wrong we were on Souray and I think we were unanimous on it.)

    Bruce and I say ahem!

    The funny thing is now that people are Souray lovers. I see him and Staios as the first dmen to move.

  165. Bruce says:

    Ahem.

  166. kris says:

    Yeah okay, but Bruce and Rickibear don’t count. I mean Bruce likes Stortini! :)

    Traktor: I will agree that MacT is MacT. Identity is a reflexive relation after all.

    First off, reading my last post, I think I came off a bit snarky. I didn’t mean to. Sorry about that.

    Now, are you saying you don’t think MacT did a good job, or at least a not-so-asstacular job, in previous years? What’s your reasoning. I mean we missed the playoffs a number of years, but MacT wasn’t exactly coaching a bunch of world beaters. That is, how do you know it was the coach and not the players? (I think we know this now, because the PP sucks even when the proven PP guys are playing. PK too, though I could see our PK being below average with the guys we’ve got.)

  167. kris says:

    Bruce:

    Do you need a throat lozenge?

  168. Asiaoil says:

    You know this is all much easier to bear with my new found who-give-a-shit attitude. MacT is either stupid (obviously untrue) or he doesn’t just give a damn. He quit on this team a long time ago and is simply playing out the string – coddling his favorites and whipping the ones he doesn’t like. The bizarre coaching decision will keep on coming…..get used to it.

  169. Asiaoil says:

    Kris – now it was a minority view – but number of people thought that Souray could put up better than expected results playing for the Oilers given their system, coaching (Huddy) and proven success in getting the most out of veteran dmen. So it was far from unanimous. This is a case where simply looking at the overlying and underlying numbers without considering a significant change in context can be misleading.

  170. Doogie2K says:

    I’ll also say ahem.

  171. danny says:

    I’d like to hear some opinions on Bob Gaineys quote regarding Carbos firing. How does this align with MacTs philosophy that hes not responsible for motivating his players? Is Gainey out to lunch in blaming his coach for his teams aparent lack of effort? Is the indifferent style of the Oilers due to a players response to their coach?

    “There were certain games when I had a real confusion about the overall … it showed up as effort, but I felt like it was emotional engagement to a game,” Gainey said. “Our team (did) not seem to be emotionally engaged.”

    To me thats a very interesting statement, especially if you’re an Oilers fan circa 08/09.

  172. Brett Gee 英 明 says:

    I’m going to bed hoping that I wake up to the news of a new head coach.

  173. Woodguy says:


    If the smaller kid line had success last year then why couldn’t that 2nd line?

    You are right, it can be done. Those players haven’t shown they can do it this year though. Maybe last night was the start of them playing with JAM and BATTLING. That would help.

    Not every goal has to be scored on the cycle. Not every goal has to be mucked into the net.

    You are right, but a key to scoring goals is puck possession. You can’t score every goal on a rush either, and all teams score much less on the rush than they do with possession in the zone.

  174. Coach pb9617 says:

    the question is what to do with the left wing, no?

    Bench them all, wait for Moreau to get back, quadruple shift him.

  175. Doogie2K says:

    Bench them all, wait for Moreau to get back, quadruple shift him.

    Indeed. Bobby Orr was playing 60-minute nights as a teenager, and Moreau’s gotta be better-conditioned than him. It’s the only logical solution.

  176. bookie says:

    I am with LT, I thought the Oilers played fairly well.

  177. Dennis says:

    Trak: I’ve never seen the ratings for Canada but I don’t believe a lot of people here watch that show.

    The whole concept of faith intrigues me so I was on the show from Ep 1.

    Anyway, I know LT watches it so perhaps he’d get a laugh out of it:)

    RB and Bruce: Count me among the Souray believers; after he stays healthy for the 2010 season and puts up numbers like he’s doing this year. But only then.

  178. Jonathan Willis says:

    RB and Bruce: Count me among the Souray believers; after he stays healthy for the 2010 season and puts up numbers like he’s doing this year. But only then.

    Yep. He’s had a great season, but career years from injury-prone players in their mid-30′s don’t happen all that often.

    Colour me skeptical.

  179. Mr DeBakey says:

    I thought the Souray signing sucked.

    And, am happy, this season, to be proven wrong.

    I still believe they should move His contract as soon as they can.

  180. kris says:

    Dennis:

    Big Love is the best show on television.

    A Roman Grant quote from a recent episode seems relevant to the Oil given MacT’s failures:

    “All sins will be forgiven, but all sinners must fall in line.”

    Bring in a new assistant coach to fix the special teams. Settle on a 3C and go with him, warts and all. Move Smid to the top 4 permamently. Move Cogs to the wing and Penner back to the first line.

    Do that and all MacT’s sins will be forgiven.

    (Of course, the likelihood of MacT falling in line is about as high that Alby will fall in line with Roman, but a guy can dream.)

  181. pboy says:

    New sports themed comedy on HBO called Eastbound and Down is definitely worth checking out.

  182. hunter1909 says:

    DBO: Some people think MacTavish has a divine right to be the head coach of this team, when seriously, if he would accept an assistant position under the new guy this team would be far better off.

    I like the way MacT has everyone playing great defence, even when they don’t get it sometimes. Ultimately I think a lot of these players will emerge superior for having gone though this coaching, other than the fact it’s not great head coaching.

  183. Dennis says:

    Kris: I refer to Roman Grant as “HDS”; it drives the ladyfriend nuts.

    BTW, this week’s ep was outstanding, wasn’t it? Conflict all over the bloody place and either Nikki’s gone back with the Grants or she’s gone to spy on Albie to make up for spying for Roman; at least in Bill’s eyes.

    BTW, my fav little thing about the show – outside of Bill’s mother always trying to kill Bruce Dern – is when Hollis Green leaves phone messages and signs off like he would a letter, “Sincerely yours, Hollis Green.” The first time I heard that I thought it was fucking gold.

    PBoy: I really don’t know how to take EBD. I give everything on HBO a spin but I’m not sure what to make of this. There are some parts of some eps that are flat as fuck but then other parts that absolutely slay me. This past week for instance, it killed me when Steve was using “motherfuckers” and generally dressing and acting like Kenny. Also, the speech that Kenny gives his brother – Sol Star from Deadwood:) – about all the things he used to be able to do and he doesn’t know which one he misses most;) McBride nails that with just the right tempo. I guess the whole joke all along is we should be laughing at Powers obliviousness to his new situation but I still find it falling short some times.

    Lousie: the killer about all of this is now all of a sudden we do have scoring spread throughout the line-up but our shit still falls short because our ST suck, we don’t get the traction we should at EV because we’re losing in the PVP match-up and now MacT thinks we’ve got Gelinas-Graves-Murphy on the 4th line.

  184. Scott says:

    I’ve never seen the ratings for Canada but I don’t believe a lot of people here watch that show.

    This show is wonderful but my ears were burning since I have watched the first two seasons once the DVD set came out. Bah! Oh well, I’m sure I’ll forget all about it by the time season 3 emerges.

    Coach,

    Why all of the hate for the MSM? Brownlee just broke the Smid trade story and Tencer spoke last night about Lowe and MacT not deserving a free pass. He mentioned that if they miss the playoffs that MacT should be gone. The sycophant angle is overplayed at this stage I think.

  185. Scarlett says:

    Peckham gets recalled….so is Souray injured or what? Has anyone heard yet??

  186. Bruce says:

    Catching up…

    Mike: We were “leading”. I remembered the grief that muttonhead annoucner on CBC took when he used the W word with a minute left against the Flames. I’m not superstitious, but enough others are that I am careful to avoid making comments like that. As PJO put it, don’t count your eggs before they hatch.

    MC79: It was a standings point in the end, wasn’t it? Our 6th defenceman cost us that point twice over, once in regulation when he got taken to the woodshed twice in a row in the immediate preamble to the 2-2 goal, and then again in OT when he and Staios both deserted the front of the net allowing Koivu unimpeded access for the tip-in.

    That said, I will agree with the objection that other teams’ 6th D are also costing them points from time to time. Last night was a pretty clear example of that is all I’m saying.

    Dennis: Agreed that we need another good season out of Souray in the last year of the NMC before anybody can claim that contract was a good one. I have expressed from the outset that his injury history was a major compromising factor. BUT … I did go on the record repeatedly last year as saying he could help the team if he was healthy when many (ahem) around here were writing off the entire $27 million dollars as having been flushed down the toilet.

    You can’t score every goal on a rush either, and all teams score much less on the rush than they do with possession in the zone.

    Woodguy: Back in the day I used to say that the 80s Oilers actually scored more goals on the rush than on zone possession. I never did do a long term count, but I remain convinced that this observation was accurate. I’m also convinced they are the only team I’ve ever seen about whom that was true.

    The only statistical residue is how those teams always led the league in shorthanded goals by a wide margin yet had a powerplay that was certainly decent yet always seemed less than the sum of its parts.

  187. IceDragoon says:

    Dennis: Lousie:
    I’ve been called worse.
    ;-D

    the killer about all of this is now all of a sudden we do have scoring spread throughout the line-up but our shit still falls short because our ST suck, we don’t get the traction we should at EV because we’re losing in the PVP match-up and now MacT thinks we’ve got Gelinas-Graves-Murphy on the 4th line.

    You’ll get no argument from me.

    PK has been garbage for all but a few games. PP and #1 line went south pretty much when 71 rearranged his shoulder. The kids that matter are developing into NHLers. And, if 51-85-46 were having one of their better games, perhaps trusting them to defend a 1 goal lead with 5 minutes left isn’t too risky. BUT, they sucked last night. sheesh

  188. kris says:

    Louise,

    6 games is a ridiculously small sample size. Are you joking?

    fwiw – I think there’s a helluva hockey player in Dustin Penner.

    Somebody has to say this, so here goes: Does this mean Penner finally ate Hemsky?

  189. IceDragoon says:

    kris: Louise,

    6 games is a ridiculously small sample size. Are you joking?

    Of course it’s a ridiculously small sample size, unless you’re a coach or a top line player who happens to be slumping thru it. Then it feels like an eternity.

    The last 2 games is an even smaller sample size, but the 3 points Hemsky put up in those 2 games may be crucial to him dumping his funk.

    Until MacT proves me wrong.
    It’s all about the Hemsky, imho.

  190. pboy says:

    Dennis: The stuff with Steve last week dressing and acting Kenny was fantastic. I don’t think the show has found it’s stride yet but it has a ton of potential. I couldn’t stop laughing when they were watching Kenny’s promotional video and there was almost nothing about him pitching in it, instead it was him swearing and working out and playing with machetes.

  191. Bruce says:

    And, if 51-85-46 were having one of their better games, perhaps trusting them to defend a 1 goal lead with 5 minutes left isn’t too risky. BUT, they sucked last night.

    Louise: I have more trust in the fourth line than most, but a match-up against the likes of S.Koivu, Tanguay and A.Kostitsyn is a huge talent mismatch. Steady Steve wasn’t much help at the back either.

    You’re right those guys really struggled last night. None of the three were on for a scoring opportunity for, while Reddox (11:12 at evens, 6 SCA), Brodziak (10:10, 5 SCA) and Stortini (8:35, 2 SCA) were exposed more than once. Especially, it would seem, in the limited minutes when 51-85 were on the ice and 46 wasn’t.

    As Zorg’s leading apologist I will also point out that the shift which turned out to be his last, in which he was charged with a -1 and a SCA, lasted all of 4 seconds when Pouliot — who otherwise had an excellent game — brought back painful memories by changing (slowly) from the far wing when Montreal had full possession at centre ice. Effectively it left the team shorthanded, as 46 had no chance to become involved in the play. Seriously compromising the matter was that 85 turned the puck over by basically checking the puck off of 78′s stick, but then didn’t cover for him as the danger man snuck up his side of the ice.

    I like Reddox but he had a Horrible game last night and surely has to be the next participant in the ongoing game of Left Wing Musical Chairs.

    Nilsson was outstanding last night and really sparked the 89-78 combo. If MacT messes with that trio I will be both shocked and unsurprised.

    O’Sullivan looked better last night, got a point, made a fine defensive play, and was truly unlucky on the OT penalty. Jury is definitely way out on Kotalik but he’s still in his trial period. If Penner wound up reunited with 51-46 and got a little time on struggling PP (where he has played 0:00 in 4 of the last 5 games) I could live with it.

  192. Dennis says:

    Bruce: Well, one year of the contract’s down the toilet and one’s not. You want to bet on him staying healthy enough to make the contract worthwhile:) I’m blown away that he’s only -5 playing toughest opp but other D look better and I’m betting he can’t replicate that situation.

    But we are in agreement on the need for another D. That’s why I wasn’t all that jacked about the Kotalik move. We have tonnes of forwards but 43′s our 6th D and we’re one injury away from absolute armageddon as opposed to just usual armageddon;)

    Anyway, the deal is we wind up unbalanced; which is basically the theme of the Lowe-led Oilers. We’ve got 68 forwards and Strudwick and Peckham are our 6-7D.

  193. Dennis says:

    Scott: I figured you were a guy that doesn’t forget much – I don’t think I started forgetting stuff until two years ago and you strike me as a guy who’s in his mid 20′s – so sorry for ruining S3 of Big Love for you;)

    PB: I can’t say it enough, Kenny talking about things he used to be able to do and now he can’t; the third one regarding the incident in the bathroom. Seriously, I lost it.

    Louise: you NEVER play your 4th line on the road when you had the previous day off and/or you aren’t encountering injury problems on your bench.

    You absolutely just don’t.

    I haven’t read the dailies yet today but I’ll bet it wasn’t mentioned. And if it is, it means the papers are paying attention to the blogs.

  194. Bruce says:

    Dennis We either got 68 forwards, or 6-8 forwards and a whole bunch of sweaters.

    You want to bet on him staying healthy enough to make the contract worthwhile:)

    As for 44 I actually don’t want to make that bet, but will stand by my statement(s) of over a year ago that when he is healthy he will cover the bet. The health is always the question, never more than today. It seems of our three veterans on the blue, the only one who can be relied upon to finish the fucking season is Staios. Which is definitely Door No. 3 in terms of preferences. :)

    I’m blown away that he’s only -5 playing toughest opp but other D look better and I’m betting he can’t replicate that situation.

    You have a way of eternal damnation with faint praise but surely you also have to give some credit for 18 goals and 42 points from the back end which would not be easily replaced in his absence. He’s second on the team in goals and third in both points and points per game, plus he plays the toughs and is a pretty tough guy in his own right. It’s that versatility that brings his value somewhere in the neighbourhood of his pay cheque. When he’s healthy.

  195. Dennis says:

    Bruce: maybe he just got better when he moved provinces;) but I’ll have to see it two seasons in a row before I believe he won’t get owned playing top four min. now, maybe he just got smarter as he got older but it’s hard for me to believe that.

    and that’s not even getting into his durability.

  196. IceDragoon says:

    Dennis: Louise: you NEVER play your 4th line on the road when you had the previous day off and/or you aren’t encountering injury problems on your bench.

    You absolutely just don’t.

    There was a time that I would have been adamantly agreeing with you, Dennis. But, I’m old and too tired to fight the bat**** crazy that is MacT.
    ;-D

  197. Black Gold says:


    PALM DESERT, Calif. – Peter Pocklington, the former owner of the Edmonton Oilers, has been arrested at his Palm Desert home for allegedly concealing assets during bankruptcy proceedings.

    In an indictment unsealed Wednesday, Pocklington is charged with making false statements in bankruptcy and making false oaths and accounts in bankruptcy.

    If convicted, he faces up to 10 years in federal prison.

    The 67-year-old Pocklington is accused of failing to disclose to a bankruptcy court two bank accounts as well as contents of two storage units. Pocklington claimed to have debts of nearly US$20 million, but assets of only about $2,900.

    Since I’m not thirty yet its hard for me to remember the great things Ol’ Pete did for the Oilers. It’s certainly easy for me to remember him as a villian though.

  198. Rod says:

    @IceDragoon:

    You’ve posted a lot of common sense things Louise, but the theory that Hemsky’s behind Penner’s demotion and subsequent benching just doesn’t pass the sniff test. In my opinion at least. Much more plausible and realistic is that MacTavish has a personal dislike for Penner.

    - if it was Hemsky, why did MacT rant about Penner in the paper before 27 even played with 83 this year?
    - if it’s Hemsky, why did MacT reunite Horpensky after Penner’s banishment and the public rant?
    - if it’s Hemsky, why was Moreau the primary replacement for 27? Seems 12 would have been a better choice. Even 85.

    With everything that’s happened in this saga, it’s clear that MacTavish just can’t stand Penner. Your Hemsky theory can’t be disproved of course, but it just doesn’t fit the events thus far. Comes off to me as MacPoligist spin than anything else. Of course I can’t disprove the Hemsky theory…so it’s a great distraction.

  199. Bruce says:

    maybe he just got smarter as he got older but it’s hard for me to believe that.

    Much as it might run against the grain of your personal experiences, Dennis :), most people DO get smarter as they get older. (At least until the memory starts to fade.)

    That’s what makes veterans, including Souray, so valuable. Normally you’re first in line blowing a trumpet when it comes to the vets, not sure why you always seem to sell this one short.

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