Desjardins’ NHLE for the top 12 Draft Prospects

Forwards

  1. John Tavares 25-21-46
  2. Evander Kane 19-20-39
  3. Jordan Schroeder 10-25-35
  4. Matt Duchene 13-21-34
  5. Nazem Kadri 11-23-34
  6. Scott Glennie 13-18-31
  7. Brayden Schenn 11-20-31
  8. Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson 7-9-16

Defensemen

  1. Ryan Ellis 9-29-38
  2. Dmitri Kulikov 5-20-25
  3. Victor Hedman 8-16-24
  4. Jared Cowen 4-7-11

Desjardins from one year ago

Forwards

  1. Steve Stamkos 23-19-42
  2. Josh Bailey 11-24-35
  3. Tyler Ennis 15-17-32
  4. Colin Wilson 11-21-32
  5. Cody Hodgson 14-17-31
  6. Zach Boychuk 13-16-29
  7. Mikael Boedker 12-17-29
  8. Mattias Tedenby: 13-15-28
  9. Eric O’Dell 12-16-28
  10. Jordan Eberle 15-11-26

Defense

  1. Drew Doughty 6-23-29
  2. Zach Bogosian 5-20-25
  3. Michael Del Zotto 6-18-24
  4. Erik Karlsson 8-14-22
  5. Alex Pietrangelo 5-17-22

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79 Responses to "Desjardins’ NHLE for the top 12 Draft Prospects"

  1. PDO says:

    Why’s the Swede with the crazy name ranked so poorly here? Is it a case of seen him good?

  2. Jonathan Willis says:

    LT, if you haven’t read this yet I think you’ll want to.

    Great writeup by Guy.

  3. Jonathan Willis says:

    Also, since this is a draft post, what do you think of Simon Despres? Allegedly he’s been playing tough minutes, but looking at his numbers I almost don’t believe it.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Paajarvi-Svensson played in the SEL according to elite prospects (tsn has him in Swe Jr) but he put up only 17 points in 50 gp. Now, there’s every chance he wasn’t playing big minutes (the Jani Rita treatment) but then again the math doesn’t care.

    Jonathan: I know he has been getting rave reviews for a long time, man among boys etc. It’s also interesting that his plus minus towers over the other D on his team (he`s +16, followed by +5, +1 and then down to -12) but the math says he`ll be a hair better than Luke Schenn offensively.

  5. Jonathan Willis says:

    LT: Agreed that Despres isn’t a guy you draft for big-time point totals, but if he is playing the tough minutes (source: Kevin Forbes) he has to be a player of interest.

    Maybe even at the #10 spot.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan: I`d hope the Oilers would pick a forward at that slot. I know Bob McKenzie was talking about top 8 being the dividing line for quality but he doesn`t have a guy like Glennie in his top 10.

    What about the Russian kid who is ripping up the Q or Ryan Ellis. How would you rate them.

  7. Jonathan Willis says:

    Those are tough questions. Ellis is a phenomenal offensive talent, but I don’t have any kind of read on how bad his defense is. I suppose worst case scenario he’s likely John-Micheal Liles, which isn’t awful, and best case scenario he’s something else completely. I really like him, but then Kulikov’s numbers are just incredible as well.

    All three are obviously quality; honestly, I wouldn’t be upset if the Oilers grabbed any of them.

  8. Jonathan Willis says:

    Of course, given Tambellini’s press conference, I expect that they snag Zack Kassian, and I really don’t think I’d like that.

  9. HBomb says:

    I like Kassian, but not at 10. Maybe if they had an extra pick somewhere in the 15-21st overall range they could bag him or Carter Ashton and still go BPA at 10th overall, even if it’s a d-man.

    Phoenix has the 21st overall pick and is relatively young – I wonder if there’s something the Oilers are willing to give up that might entice them to send that pick in this direction? The prospect cupboard could use some re-stocking.

  10. jdrevenge says:

    Are there any goalies that are worth looking at this year? Better than the ones we have that is.

  11. Poo Czar says:

    Is there any chance the Oil can grab Schenn without moving up? And should they for this kid? From what I’ve read in the past couple of days he seems to be the goods and fit the bill rather nicely.

    Then again I also read he could just be a bigger Gilbert Brule…

  12. Lowetide says:

    My early top ten would be:

    1. Tavares
    2. Hedman
    3. Evander Kane
    4. Matt Duchene
    5. Dmitri Kulikov
    6. Jordan Schroeder
    7. Nazem Kadri
    8. Brayden Schenn
    9. Jared Cowen
    10. Scott Glennie

  13. jdrevenge says:

    lol. Am I really that out to lunch suggesting a goalie?

    We need a big forward for sure but is there a guy on the radar anywhere right now that plays nets and is any good? Im not suggesting we should use of first pick…

    Figured since you know your prospects the way you do LT that you might have the inside track on someone.

  14. Lowetide says:

    jdrevenge: I don’t actually know much about these prospects so much as gather info and pass it along. However, I do have an idea where to look and Bob McKenzie typed this the other day on goalies:

    A lot of scouts are raving about the performance of Finnish netminder Mikko Koskinen and I would suggest he’s rocketing up the charts right about now. Swedish netminder Robin Lehner, currently playing for Sweden at the U-18 world championships in Fargo, is another guy who’s getting a lot of interest and might sneak up into the first round. My sense is that those two European goalies are maybe a cut above the North American such as Edward Pasquale of Saginaw, among others, but I also find scouts are all over the map on goalies and there’s far less consensus on them than skaters. Koskinen, though, is the guy generating the most buzz right now. I’m sure the Flyers, like a lot of other NHL teams, will be knocking down the door to get at Jonas Gustavsson, the big free-agent goalie from Sweden who was born in 1984.

  15. B.C.B. says:

    I think if the Oilers are going to draft a goalie, it should be in the later rounds (4 to 6), and they should be aiming at an overage European. Just a thought, rarely does drafting Goalies in the first round come through . . .

  16. jdrevenge says:

    LT : Thank ya. I’m not really up to date on my prospects.I do have all summer though ;) Mckenzie is definitely tops. I tried to search goalies earlier this week and came up with nothin.

    BCB: I agree. I think Willis or LT may have done a post about how much more a crap shoot it is drafting goalies than skaters.

    Unless you have a clear cut pick like Fleury or Luongo signing guys seems the best way of doing business.

    Offer sheet to Harding…Sign Anderson…

  17. jdrevenge says:

    I’d love it if Tambo went after Schenn. Hes big for a young kid and scores goals. I really hope they dont go after another dman. The farm needs forwards. We have assets maybe we move up this year.

  18. bookie says:

    Are there any kids who can pick the puck up with their stick on a penalty shot and wave it all around in the air and then throw it in the top of the net in a really kick ass way.

    That is a skill we could use more of!

  19. jon k says:

    “My early top ten would be:

    1. Tavares
    2. Hedman
    3. Evander Kane
    4. Matt Duchene
    5. Dmitri Kulikov
    6. Jordan Schroeder
    7. Nazem Kadri
    8. Brayden Schenn
    9. Jared Cowen
    10. Scott Glennie”

    It’s definitely going to be an interesting draft. I think we’ll see a surprise or two in the top 10 after the first 6.

    I think my list would be the following:

    1. Tavares
    2. Hedman
    3. Duchene
    4. Kane
    5. MPS
    6. Schenn
    7. Cowen
    8. Schroeder
    9. Kadri
    10. Glennie

    The ranking reflects a little bit what I think teams will do. I suspect that once Toronto can’t trade up and Phoenix takes Schenn we’ll see Burke trade down into the teens to take someone like Kassian. The team he trades with likely then be enticed to get Cowen rather than wait to see how far he falls. I doubt he would make it past Ottawa, Dallas, or Edmonton.

    I think that MPS is probably too highly ranked and scouts are overrating him on the basis of his size and speed. I’d pick him as most likely to fail out of the top ten picks.

    But like I said, I think there will be surprises. The only locks I think are the top 4 in the order I put them.

  20. Ribs says:

    Sensation One Sensation Two Sensation ThreeWhat? We don’t have them all yet? is this 9 year old kid eligible yet?

  21. doritogrande says:

    LT:

    There’s no way Paajarvi slides out of the top-10. Think Forsberg. My top-10, without looking at individual team need:

    1. Tavares
    2. Hedman
    3. Kane
    4. Duchene
    5. Cowan
    6. Paajarvi
    7. Schenn
    8. Kadri
    9. Kulikov
    10. Schroeder

    On goalies:

    I seem to remember a Czech or possibly Slovakian netminder playing absolutely lights-out during the tournament. He’s worth a flyer in the 3rd round or so.

  22. bookie says:

    I say draft the 9 year old, even if picking the puck up is easy, he nailed the top corner!

  23. Jonathan Willis says:

    DG: I know you didn’t look at team need, but unless the Oilers trade the pick I can’t see them picking Schroeder at #10 overall. Not unless Steve Tambellini really is in charge and is a substantially different GM than Kevin Lowe was.

  24. knighttown says:

    Does anyone know how much Hunter has done the “Hunter bump” with Kadri? Hunter bump is defined as:
    -play with dynamic elite talent
    -play entire PP in 8-1 game
    -play 30 minutes a night in same 8-1 game

  25. Phil says:

    Agree with JW on Schroeder. He's smaller than Eberle… Can't imagine how he would match up with Tambellini's rant on getting bigger and grittier.

    Also – anyone reading this who's from Calgary – You're missing out if you don't get in to see the Wheat Kings <> Hitmen series. Tons of talent on display, and should be nothing but quality hockey.

  26. Matt N says:

    @ knightown:

    Nadri makes me nervous in a Rob Schremp sort of way so I looked through the London Knights Dale Hunter era to see about the “over valueing of picks”. I must admit that I approached this with a mindset that there would be lots of high pick busts in the organization. What I found was different.

    At first look the names seem pretty good for high picks(round taken)

    Corey Perry (1st)
    Denis Maruk (2nd)
    Dave Bolland (2nd)
    Brandon Prust (3rd)
    Steve Mason (3rd)
    Sergei Kostytsin (7th)
    Denis Wideman (8th)
    Patrick Kane (1st)
    Rick Nash (1st)
    Dan Syveret (3rd)
    Sam Gagner (1st)
    Micheal Del Zotto (1st)

    Other than SugarTits there don’t seem to be alot of high pick busts and there are quite a few great value picks in later rounds.

    I am not saying Nadri is the “guy”. Just that there shouldn’t be any bias against the Knights as poor value draft picks.

  27. Matt N says:

    x

  28. Matt N says:

    Sorry, damn filter at work is messing with me. I wanted to edit my post to say NAZEM KADRI, not Nadri.

  29. bookie says:

    Ok, after reading this article by Dan Barnes, I am now confident MacTavish has cast some kind of charm spell upon certain members of the media and the public. Seriously, all Barnes failed to do was declare that he wants to marry MacT. Its one of the stupidest articles I have ever read (and I read this one about roll up the rim just yesterday so I have read some stupid journalism).

  30. Schitzo says:

    I seem to remember a Czech or possibly Slovakian netminder playing absolutely lights-out during the tournament.You must be thinking of the Slovak, Janus. He was a nut in the games the Slovaks stole.

  31. DBO says:

    The pipeline show site had an interesting idea for coach. Dale Hunter of the London Nights. lots of NHL playing experience and a lot of OHL coaching experience. Plays an in your face up tempo style. Lots of offense comes out of his teams and he can get a lot out of young players. Vets would respect him for what he’s done in the NHL and he wouldn’t be intimidated by anyone. Seems like an interesting option. Not an NHL experience guy, but a guy that fits every other criteria mentioned by tambellini. Maybe he’s a good fit as an assitant to a guy like Quinn for a few years. Quinn steps away as age sets in, and Hunter steps up. And on a good note, he has no ties to the org or the old boys. New face, new system and new energy. Someone to consider over the next month as the rumours fly.

  32. R-Gib says:

    If Cowan, Glennie and Schroder are still available at 10, we take Cowan right? Right guys?

    Also, agreed that goalies are a crap shoot. We are better off picking two tenders in the mid rounds (4-7) than one in the higher rounds.

    That said, there is one extremely undervalued (hurt most of season) goalie in Nathan Lieuwen. The kid is already 6’4″ and was lights out the previous year in the BCHL as a 16 yr old.

  33. Matt N says:

    @ DBO:

    Hunter owns/ operates/ coaches the Knights. I am not sure he would want to leave. Interesting idea though.

  34. DBO says:

    Matt N: agreed he might be comfortable. i look at him as Sutter light (Pipeline show made the same comparison). He’s basically the same thing as brent Sutter. i just think that Sutter won’t coach here, so we could look at a guy like hunter. If not him, then I actually like a coaching staff with a succession plan. it was mentioned Wednesday on Ched I think, but a Pat Quinn head coach with two good technical assistants would fit. With someone like Arnett (from the Moose) and even a guy like Huddy for the defense. In 2 or 3 years once Quinn steps away, you have one of them step up. Consistency in the team , expecially since a lot of these guys will grow as players in the next few years and they will spend a lot of time with the assistants. i do not, I repeat, do not want Crawford. man i dislike that guy. Go for a Detroit assistant, the Quinn idea or go off the board and get a guy like Hunter.

  35. speeds says:

    DG: I know you didn’t look at team need, but unless the Oilers trade the pick I can’t see them picking Schroeder at #10 overall. Not unless Steve Tambellini really is in charge and is a substantially different GM than Kevin Lowe was.Depends what else, if anything, Tambellini has lined up by the time the draft rolls around, and also his views on drafting, wrt need vs. BPA. If Nilsson and Cogliano are already out the door in deals/pending deals, it changes the dynamic in terms of small players, especially if you plan to take Schroeder, leaave him in the NCAA one more year, and evaluate after that.

    Drafting is no exact science, but I think there’s a better than average chance the Oilers would regret passing on Schroeder if he’s available at 10 (depending on who else is available, of course), given the other players projected to be available. For that matter, I think there’s a non-zero chance that the teams picking 3rd and lower may regret passing on Schroeder.

    I haven’t done a ton of draft reading yet, so I’m not as confident about this opinion as I probably will be by the draft (not that that will make me any more right ;). At the moment I’d probably rate Kane and Duchene ahead of Schroeder, I’m not sure by how much, but I’m not sure the other forwards are “clearly superior” to Schroeder.

  36. Steve says:

    Ok, after reading this article by Dan Barnes, I am now confident MacTavish has cast some kind of charm spell upon certain members of the media and the public.

    I actually thought that was a pretty good article – it actually seems to reflect my own feelings and those of a lot of others around here, in that it was time for MacTavish to go, that despite his failures he’s going to be missed, and that the change in coach, while necessary, isn’t going to address the holes in the lineup that MacTavish was given.

  37. Mr DeBakey says:

    From Barnes:

    We wait for Tambellini to build a list of coaching candidates….I think he will be youngish, from outside the Oilers’ organization, he will favour aggressiveness and offence over defence….and he will have professional head coaching experience though not necessarily at the NHL level..
    .
    I though of this guy [who has been mentioned before]:

    Kevin Dineen
    Right Wing
    Born Oct 28/63, Quebec City, PQ
    Ht 5.11 – Wt 190 – Shoots R
    NHL Totals
    1188 – 355 – 405 – 760 – 2229

    A 40 goal & two mid-30 goal seasons
    Over 2200 PIMs

  38. Smarmy Boss says:

    I think that if Cowan falls to the Oiler’s pick then you take him and you get all smug about it.

    He’s a top 3 talent in this draft that’s stock fell because of a knee injury. It’s still slightly baffling to me that this guy didn’t even get an invite to the junior team.

    Spokane only made the trip to Saskatoon once this year and Cowan was a tough luck minus player in that game, but my goodness, everything about his game was smoooooooth. (added extra o’s for emphasis)

    I don’t think Schenn will make it to the Oilers. It’s just the obvious pick for the Leafs and Burke can farm a whole summer worth of press conferences on that one.

  39. quain says:

    I actually thought that was a pretty good article…

    I agree, it had a few bedroom eyes moments, but for the most part it was a fairly innocent piece.

    And if you thought it came anywhere close to being the worst example of a reporter reach-around, I think you need to spend a few years living in Chicago with me. The media could not have spent the last ten years slurping Brett Favre any harder.

  40. doritogrande says:

    I’m thinking out loud here, but can we re-draft Omark this year and allow for another two years of bumming around Europe until we’re forced to make the decision on him? Or is he now a Free agent?

    Schitzo: Thanks, I was looking for the name. Kid was all-world at that tournament. Easily a top-2 goalie among his peers, behind Markstrom.

  41. bookie says:

    I guess, the admiration for MacT’s frank assessment of the team in his press conference was part of what offended me.

    MacT takes no blame upon himself and throws his team under the bus. To me the guy acted shamefully and lost a lot of my respect. He could have just said I did the best I could. Instead he said I did the best anybody could do with this bunch of pathetic losers. Maybe he is right, but doing what he did was classless.

    So to see someone fawning over MacT and waiting to be further ‘enlightened’ by him makes me wonder about his credibility as a journalist. I felt more enlightened by Tambo who identified both the serious problems with coaching and the problems with the team.

    Anyway, to get things back to the thread. When the announcers were discussing Janus, they noted that he is sometimes brilliant and other times very much less so. consistency seems to be the concern.

  42. Traktor says:

    Another player of interest is NE prep star Chris Kreider.

    Scouts all agree that he’s the total package but have doubts because of the competition he plays against.

    His numbers are too impressive to dismiss though, much like when Schneider had a .970 SV% when he played for the same team as Kreider plays for now.

    I wouldn’t be surprised some team jumps up and takes this kid around the 8-12 slot.

  43. Jonathan Willis says:

    DG: The Oilers still own Omark’s rights.

    Speeds: I like Schroeder too; I’m just saying that I don’t really see it happening given the Tambellini press conference. On the other hand, Tambellini may be different than Kevin Lowe in that he’s actually an adherent to BPA.

    Bookie: Sorry, I thought the Barnes article was good on the whole; maybe a touch sappy in places but not bad at all.

  44. Jonathan Willis says:

    RE: Jaroslav Janus. He was great at the tournament, but he’s a) an overager and b) has a middling OHL career.

    I liked what I saw, but I’m a little leery of sample size given that the big picture doesn’t seem promising.

  45. jon k says:

    I think we own Omark’s rights indefinitely right now as a defected player with no IIHF-NHL agreement in place, is that right?

    Sitting at 10th place we might be faced with the unique position of having players like Schroeder, Kadri, Glennie, or Cowen all available to us.

    In that circumstance I think Tambellini has a responsibility to trade two or three spots down in exchange for a mid second. Odds are you can still get one of the players you want and you add an asset which is moderately valuable in a deep draft.

  46. jdrevenge says:

    Moving into the second round… Is there a projection on Ferraros kid. In looking at his stats from this year over the last hes made tremendous improvements. I dont pretend to be a Junior buff so does anybody have an idea why the sudden spike?

    I read an interview with him and from all accounts he seems to understand the game in line with his dad. Seems a little bigger too. HF has him at 5’11″ another site at 6’1″.

  47. mc79hockey says:

    Did I watch a different MacT press conference? I thought that he took a portion of the blame.

  48. Schitzo says:

    I think we own Omark’s rights indefinitely right now as a defected player with no IIHF-NHL agreement in place, is that right?.

    The short answer is “probably”. The longer answer is that the issue of defected players is currently in litigation between the NHL and NHLPA. The NHL won the first round.

  49. doritogrande says:

    Moving into the second round… Is there a projection on Ferraros kid. .

    Most pundits have him pegged as a mid- to late first rounder actually. Which normally means he goes anywhere from 15-45, based on team need.

  50. I Gave up on Hemsky says:

    I think Brent Sutter would make an obvious replacement for Mac-T. It was my understanding he wants to come home, and he might get fired in NJ anyway. I know he’d rather go to the Flames, but that might not be an option for him. Is there something I’m missing here? Has anybody heard anything about Brent Sutter’s thoughts on the Edmonton job?

  51. Traktor says:

    jon k:

    I agree. Edmonton is in a great position to trade down and pick up some extra assets.

    I wouldn’t even be opposed doing it more than once.

  52. Schitzo says:

    Traktor:

    At this stage of the game, do the oilers need more players with second line potential, though? Or should they be bundling assets and trying to move up instead?

  53. Traktor says:

    Schitzo:

    My first choice would be to trade up and select Kane. We’re probably better off keeping our 10th but if we can turn it into 18th + two extra 2nd rounders I might think twice.

  54. geowal says:

    I was most impressed that you got all the little dots on Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson‘s name.

    Though you probably just copy and pasted like I just did…

  55. kris says:

    If we draft “Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson,” there’s no way Rod Phillips comes back for another year.

  56. spOILer says:

    Anyone have any thoughts on Peter Adler’s guest column over at the Cult of Hockey?

    If what he says is true, this team is in deep trouble and some serious messages are going to need to be sent.

    We know about Roli and Souray’s frustations with their home situations over the past season, but they still had pretty good years. I keep thinking back though back to November as well and Souray deliberately passing to Lubo’s feet so he couldn’t get the one-timer off and be forced to pass it back.

    Is this a selfish team that never gelled and won’t play for each other or…

    Is Adler just a MacT apologist?

  57. quain says:

    Is this a selfish team that never gelled and won’t play for each other or…

    It’s probably a little bit that, especially when you listen to Ethan Moreau talk, but in all honesty it sounds like the column that gets written whenever a team anywhere misses the playoffs.

  58. George B says:

    My early top 10.

    Victor Hedman
    Jonathan Tavares
    Matt Duchense
    Evander Kane
    MPS
    Brayden Schenn
    Olivier Ekman Larsson
    Jordan Schroeder
    Dmitri Kulikov
    Jared Cowan

  59. doritogrande says:

    Hobey Baker winner Matt Gilroy to the Rangers, as per TSN.ca

    Most pundits are saying he could make the jump straight to NHL hockey, which would be a bonus for the Rangers who don’t seem very deep beyond Marc Staal in my eyes. Not entirely sure what kind of defender he projects to be, but there seems to be some offensive skills in the big body.

  60. kamus says:

    A lot of doom sayers coming out, this team isn’t that bad fix the PP/PK and you have a solid playoff team.
    As far as the Souray conspiracy theories, doesn’t anyone think he is just a bad passer? I don’t see him making many tape to tape passes to anyone.

  61. George B says:

    Oh and one more thing…if my top 7 or 8 are gone and I am at the draft table with LT and he says….”Pick Glennie….trust me.”

    I could be convinced…the kid sounds solid.

  62. Black Gold says:

    He better be ready ’cause it’s a one way contract. haha. ($3.5M over two years)
    It’s not like he’s small either, 6’2, 200lbs. And he’s 24, so he’s not a kid.

    He’ll be fine. Good signing by the rags.

  63. Bank Shot says:

    As far as the Souray conspiracy theories, doesn’t anyone think he is just a bad passer? I don’t see him making many tape to tape passes to anyone.Quit being reasonable.

    Anyway, I hope the Oilers take someone sized six feet or greater in this year’s draft. Forward or defenseman makes no difference to me.

    You’re not always going to be able to trade positions of strength for positions of weakness so you need to draft all positions.

  64. pboy says:

    It will be up to the new general manager, but the buzz is that the Wild’s next coach could be Craig MacTavish who was fired by Edmonton on Wednesday.

    According to:

    http://www.twincities.com/ci_

    12160258?nclick_check=1

  65. doritogrande says:

    pboy:

    Any chance he’s actually being scouted for the GM job instead?

  66. jon k says:

    DG: I saw Gilroy play in the frozen four final. It’s a small sample size but he’s dynamic from the backend and has very good vision.

    The way he moved around in the offensive zone reminds me of Niedermayer as the roamer the on the powerplay. His skating is not exceptional though from what I saw.

    Still, an excellent pickup for the Rangers. I could see him being a contributor of Gilbert’s quality in his first season which is not bad for the price tag and cost of acquisition.

    Though to be honest I didn’t notice him much when BU wasn’t in the offensive zone. I didn’t really see him lugging the puck much.

    For what it’s worth I saw quite a bit of Shattenkirk as well. Looks like Marc-Andre Bergeron. Lots of mental mistakes and puck possession errors. At least a few atrocious giveaways at the blue line in the game.

  67. pboy says:

    It doesn’t get anymore specific in the article than what I posted DG, it was really more of a blurb. I personally think that General Manager is the most important job in any organization and I can’t believe that guys are hired for those jobs with no previous management experience (Kevin Lowe, Garth Snow and Mike Barnett are good examples of this). MacT might be a fit at Head Coach for the Wild but hiring him for a job he has zero experience for would be laughable. If you have an ex-player who you think would be suited for a management position someday, doesn’t it make more sense to have them apprentice for awhile (Steve Yzerman, Ron Francis) rather than throw them in cold and hand them the reins?

  68. Phil says:

    jon k said: In that circumstance I think Tambellini has a responsibility to trade two or three spots down in exchange for a mid second. Odds are you can still get one of the players you want and you add an asset which is moderately valuable in a deep draft.This is exactly, EXACTLY what happened in 2003, and look at the everloving shitstorm it brought.

    On the Brent Sutter topic, he would need to be outright fired this summer to be able to coach in Edmonton. He has an out in his contract that says he can leave if he wants to, but not to go coach for another team (until the contract expires end of next year).

    That’s not to say that he couldn’t be let out of his contract, seeing as Lemaire is available, and rumour has it he’s wanted back in NJ.

  69. Jonathan Willis says:

    Matheson dropped Quinn’s name today as a possiblity for the GM job in Minnesota, and we already know they’ve been denied permisison to speak to Dave Nonis by the Leafs.

  70. Master Lok says:

    doritogrande said…
    pboy:

    Any chance he’s actually being scouted for the GM job instead?
    If Minnesota was interested in MacT, it would be odd that they would hire him as coach, before the hire a GM. Last time that happened… well, that would be the well-run Leafs organization.

  71. Matt N says:

    \\jon k said: In that circumstance I think Tambellini has a responsibility to trade two or three spots down in exchange for a mid second. Odds are you can still get one of the players you want and you add an asset which is moderately valuable in a deep draft.

    This is exactly, EXACTLY what happened in 2003, and look at the everloving shitstorm it brought.\\

    @PHIL:

    Doesn’t make it wrong. Picking players is an inexact science. It is great fun to second guess 6 years after the fact, but getting good value for trading down and picking a player you like is not a bad move.

  72. jon k says:

    “This is exactly, EXACTLY what happened in 2003, and look at the everloving shitstorm it brought.”

    The problem with 2003 was the decision-making from the procurement department. The strategy for asset management is sound.

    Getzlaf and Bergeron were both available at Pouliot and JFJ’s draft positions I believe.

    Besides, my point is that at 10 there may very well be 3 players who the scouts equally like. If you move 2 spots down you’re still going to get 1 of them as well as additional pick in a deep draft.

  73. bookie says:

    Given that Sutter would be moving to another conference and that he is leaving for personal reasons as opposed to being poached, there is likely a reasonable chance that the organization would release him from his contract.

  74. Woodguy says:

    I know this is a little off topic, but was anyone else impressed by Torrie Jung of the Oil Kings this year?

    His 2.56GAA and .912sv were pretty impressive given that he had a 2nd year expansion team in front of him.

    The team talked about him like he was their MVP. I think the coach even stated that without Torrie they don’t make the playoffs.

    He’s property of Tampa Bay, and they have a 1st round (15th overall, 2006 draft)goalie in Riku Helenius in the system.

    Add to this that Ramo is only 22 and will get a new contract (RFA now), Smith was extended for 2 seasons and Tampa has a logjam of good young goalies. (not to mention RFA McKenna, but not sure what will happen to him)

    Given the above, Jung could probably be had, and since he was a 7th rounder, it might not take too much to get him.

    The Oilers could use depth at that position, and he carried a 2nd year expansion team to the playoffs and even made some of the games against #1 overall Hitmen kinda interesting with 50ish saves.

    Thoughts?

  75. Doogie2K says:

    I know this is a little off topic, but was anyone else impressed by Torrie Jung of the Oil Kings this year?He was four minutes from beating the best team in the WHL pretty much by himself before losing in OT, holding down a 1-0 lead for most of the game despite nearly 50 SA through regulation, so I can perfectly believe he was the Oil Kings’ MVP. What can I say, I saw him good. Of course, now that he’s gone and done that, he’s not going anywhere if Brian Lawton knows what the hell he’s doing (he might not).

    Also, as Phil said, Calgary-Brandon is ongoing at the moment. Game 2 is tomorrow afternoon, after Game 1 ended 9-3 Hitmen (!) last night, with some attempted shenanigans after Brandon’s comeback attempt (from 7-0 down midway through the second) failed. This should be a long series, because both teams are opportunistic as hell and will bite on pretty much every mistake the other makes, which the play last night really reflected (the Hitmen had six second-period goals in about eleven minutes, followed by three Brandon goals in five minutes in the late second/early third).

  76. oilswell says:

    The NHLE prediction match for Stamkos and Doughty for ’08-09 were stunning. Luck or a marvel of variable-cancelling nature, it is a full bag of fun.

  77. Lowetide says:

    Plus it worked for Gagner and others the previous season. Fun little item, no doubt.

  78. speeds says:

    The Josh Bailey number is pretty close as well, considering he played 68 games.

    The Tavares number seems low, but I guess we will see how that pans out.

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