Kings at Oilers, G80/08-09

This is Rogie Vachon. Based on what the crowd is looking at (and Rogie’s eyes) one would guess that something unexpected happened stage left.

Since I can remember the Kings were picking up other team’s superstars and giving up a big portion of their future to do so. In this way they closely resemble the New York Rangers in that management never figured out that if you trade for a superstar and rob your team blind then it’s tough to win.

The most famous Kings were all traded for: Vachon, Dionne, Gretzky, Hrudey. Their best drafts who played for them were Butch Goring, Luc Robitaille, Dave Taylor, Rob Blake. Nice list, but they would have won more if they’d kept some of the kids they drafted for most of their careers: Larry Murphy, Kevin Stevens, Garry Galley, Maritn Gelinas, Robert Lang, Darryl Sydor, Alexei Zhitnik. The list is endless. Olli Jokinen, too.

Since 2000, the Kings have been better at keeping their best players. In fact, the current homegrown bunch (Alexander Frolov, Dustin Brown, Anze Kopitar) would have to represent a plateau in this area (although having Denis Grebeskov, Mike Cammalleri and others would help) for the Kings.

I think this club has a nice future.

The Oilers need a win tonight, and they should get it. I think we all know heartbreak is just around the corner, but it probably won’t come tonight.

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  1. PDO says:

    Coach:

    Guerin?

  2. Lucinius says:

    Good god Roloson! Haha

  3. Quinn says:

    Arnott

  4. Lowetide says:

    Well I’m a MacT guy but I’ll give you this: if the Edmonton Oilers can’t come back and win tonight then it’s time for him to go.

    I do hope he gets another NHL coaching job (NYR) and wins a Stanley, though.

  5. mc79hockey says:

    Well I’m a MacT guy but I’ll give you this: if the Edmonton Oilers can’t come back and win tonight then it’s time for him to go.

    I do hope he gets another NHL coaching job (NYR) and wins a Stanley, though.

    Yeah, he’ll be added to my Smyth list of guys who I’d like to see win the Cup elsewhere. The media in New York would love him. I’m really hoping he gets a better GM though.

  6. Coach pb9617 says:

    Guerin?

    That was my thought as well.

    Serious question – is Gene Principe happy with his choices?

    Why in the hell are there so many gingers at this street hockey game?! Where does one find this many gingers?

  7. Black Dog says:

    LT – he already has his Stanleys and every one he wins is one less the Oilers will!

    ;)

    Like pretty well every single one I’ll wish him luck if he moves on.

    Guarantee it will be the Crow if he does though.

    CAW! CAW!

  8. PDO says:

    I have the same hat that Steve MacIntyre has.

    I’m content with that.

  9. PDO says:

    LT:

    NYR? I can’t see Torts going anywhere there any time soon.

    I think he ends up in Ottawa.

  10. mc79hockey says:

    Guarantee it will be the Crow if he does though.

    Ugh. Although I will be able to attend his trial and then provide a report on how Edmonton’s coach comes off in court.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Lotta Ginger snaps in this street hockey game. The Cubs are getting robbed by the first base umpire on WGN. Jeebus.

  12. Black Dog says:

    Any pub in Dublin, coach. Or in Edinburgh.

    That’s about it though.

  13. Dennis says:

    LT: I’ll cheer for the guy if he moves along as well. But in terms of the here and now, I think he’s gotten a bit too comfortable.

    Chances: 10-4

    After 40: 16-9.

    A PP goal would be nice to assure we could win in reg but considering the Oil have, by my count, one scoring chance in three man adv, I’m not hopeful they’ll get one in via that route.

    Preds lost and Blues are tied and it wouldn’t take a lot of things out of the realm of possibility for the Oil to be able to head out for the second period on Fri night knowing that two wins allows them to clinch.

    I’m not saying it will happen but you’d need Nsh to lose in Det on Thurs, then beat the Wild while Stl loses tonight at Phx and then loses at home to CBJ.

    Then again, we’ll have to win this one tonight, right;)

    Vic: Carter Would be an easy guy to root for if you knew his history – his mother died when he was 12 or so and his father was a hardass and Carter worked for everything he had – but somewhere along the way everyone learned to hate him.

    Check out “The Expos Inside Out” by Dan Turner and I think you’ll truly enjoy it.

  14. Woodguy says:

    One last thought. I have met or stood next to 8 NHL player listed who were listed at exactly 6’0.

    I measure exactly 5’11 and I was taller than 6 of them.

    But that holds for guys listed as 5’9″ as well. I’ve been around them while they were in golf spikes and I’m at least five inches taller than a couple of them. I’m 6’0″ even.

    Agreed. That adds further evidence that big men do not dominate the NHL.

  15. mc79hockey says:

    Has LaForge been back on a PPV since that disastrous appearance against LA in 2007?

  16. Lowetide says:

    I think they only wheel Laforge out when the city needs an enema.

  17. Black Dog says:

    Dennis – you know who Carter reminds me of? ARod.

    Terrific player but nobody likes the guy.

    And like ARod Carter always seemed like a phony. He just wanted everyone to like him but he was trying to hard.

    Difficult to explain, I followed the Spos in their glory days and just never loved Carter. You’d think he would be the obvious guy for a kid to like but never really did.

  18. Vic Ferrari says:

    Thanks pboy, that was a great read.

    The SI vault is gold. There is an article in there that makes countless disparaging remarks about the glory days Oilers, he drug use was an issue at the time.

    The Oilers, who according to that very article held the mortgage on Grant Fuhr`s house, would release an article shortly thereafter entitled `Don`t Worry Oiler Fans, SI was Blowing Smoke, It Was Just The Ni*ger`.

    No Journalist in town was willing to put their name by it, so David Staples did. Apparently he was allowed to change the title, he may or may not have been allowed to change a word or two elsewhere.

  19. Icecastles says:

    St. Louis just pulled ahead of the Phoenixpeg Coyotejets.

    I know this because I returned to my computer to watch the game and the Oilers feed had transformed into the St Louis game. This happening to anyone else?

  20. PDO says:

    LaForge’s kid is a beauty.

    LaForge himself… not so much.

    Oilers come out buzzing again.

    Come on boys.

  21. Lowetide says:

    In the book Dennis mentions there’s a story where the veterans congratulated Carter on making the big club and took him out for a night on the town (knowing it would impact him).

    He missed curfew and Mauch cut him. Cost him a season in the bigs, because he played in the minors for that season.

    Nice play Peckham.

  22. Quinn says:

    Coach,

    Wasn’t Anson Carter a bit of a shooter? My memory might be fooling me though.

  23. mc79hockey says:

    The Oilers, who according to that very article held the mortgage on Grant Fuhr`s house, would release an article shortly thereafter entitled `Don`t Worry Oiler Fans, SI was Blowing Smoke, It Was Just The Ni*ger`.

    I laughed at this and I think my credentials at not believing their bullshit are impeccable but it was three or four years later when the Staples piece came out wasn’t it? I thought Fuhr piece came out, wasn’t it?

    Also, I’m too young to remember but I’m always surprised to learn the people I know who dabbled in coke in the 80′s. Goes for now too actually.

  24. Lucinius says:

    Castles; http://www.ustream.tv/channel/habsvision

    The other feed that became St Louis was always slated for that game, it just hadn’t started, so it was on the Oiler one.

  25. mc79hockey says:

    Geezus, the last sentence of the first paragraph in my post looks like I’m coked out. It should say something like I thought the Fuhr story came out in 1989, no?

  26. Lowetide says:

    MC: Coke was everywhere.

  27. Icecastles says:

    Thanks Lucinius! that sure beats the justin.tv feed, though I’m deeply grateful to whoever was willing put put a cam on the TV in his own living room (or wherever) to share.

  28. Traktor says:

    “Brad Winchester needs a second opinion.” – MacT

    2-1 Blues.

    Winchester

  29. Icecastles says:

    I wish Jonathan Quick wasn’t.

  30. geowal says:

    Rod Phillips has Matt Greene as the best Kings player this game.

    Can anyone watching sort of agree with this? I haven’t heard about him too much over the radio.

  31. Lucinius says:

    Castles; Oh, I agree. I liked that justin.tv feed, though. Between the pauses for bathroom breaks, the birds, kids and the clap-clap, it was.. interesting!

    I’m really liking Peckham tonight. Strudwick not so much.

  32. Black Dog says:

    LT- I presume you’re talking Classic, not that “new” shit

    59-12 the Canes outshot the Isles tonight.

  33. Lowetide says:

    BDHS: lol. In the 1980s, I once went into boss’ office and he was one the floor rowing.

    Not kidding.

  34. geowal says:

    I would have to hope he wasn’t including Quick. That he’s best is obvious enough without watching.

  35. Lucinius says:

    I haven’t really noticed any of the Kings other than Quick. Maybe Simmonds. But, dunno. Kings have really sat back for most of this game.

  36. Lowetide says:

    Ethan rifles.

  37. bookie says:

    f-ing score already!

  38. Lucinius says:

    If we’ve ever deserved a goal, its now.

  39. Coach pb9617 says:

    Wasn’t Anson Carter a bit of a shooter? My memory might be fooling me though.

    You’re confusing “floater waiting for his shot” with “shooter”.

  40. PDO says:

    How the fuck did Ethan miss that.

  41. Lucinius says:

    That soft goal and our powerplay tonight are really hurting now.

  42. oilerdago says:

    //How the fuck did Ethan miss that.//

    Because he’s thecaptainethanmoreau.

    That’s how.

  43. Lowetide says:

    Blues up 3-1 now.

  44. bookie says:

    Wasn’t Anson Carter a bit of a shooter? My memory might be fooling me though.

    You’re confusing “floater waiting for his shot” with “shooter”.

    Your confusing Shooter with All Around Offensive Player.

  45. PDO says:

    The Oilers haven’t tied up a single game this year with their goaltender pulled.

    DON’T STOP, BELIEVINNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

    Is tonight the night?

    HOLD ON TO THAT FEEEEEEELIN!

  46. Icecastles says:

    The home team should have the option to pull their goalie for an extra attacker, or pull the visitor’s goalie.

  47. PunjabiOil says:

    Craig MacTavish, the coach of the Edmonton Oilers, a hockey club in the NW Division of the NHL, will be going to bed humming this song.

    The Chance May Never Come Again.
    There’s a dream that lives,
    deep in every heart.
    Heroes carve their name,
    legends leave their mark.
    And it’s worth the sweat,
    and it’s worth the pain,
    But the chance may never come again….

    Give it all you got,
    take your best shot.
    The fire burns deep inside,
    stand above the giants.
    Yeah!!!

    For the game belongs,
    to the swift and the strong.
    Though the flame burns bright,
    in an instant it’s gone.
    It’s the spirit of the game,
    and the legend lives on and on.

    But the chance may never come again,
    Noooo, nooooo.
    The chance may never come again!

  48. bookie says:

    PunjabiOil

    You have to question your level of interest in the game when that is what you think of with 1 min left, the game on the line, and lots of good chances…

  49. Lucinius says:

    I get a lot of pleasure watching guys flinch when in front of Souray tee-ing it up.

  50. Coach pb9617 says:

    Beautiful friend, the end.

  51. PDO says:

    Two points:

    #1) How did Handzus not get a penalty there?

    #2) Not signing Marty Reasoner cost the Oilers the playoffs.

  52. Lucinius says:

    Bleh. Figures.

    A game we played fairly well in too.

  53. Icecastles says:

    So does that mean we don’t face Calgary in the first round?

  54. oilerdago says:

    Season over. They deserved the booing chorus at the end for the way they came out and laid an egg tonite.

  55. Lucinius says:

    Well, with St Louis up 4-1.. not great news.

    At least we can put to rest the faint glimmer of hope.

  56. PunjabiOil says:

    PunjabiOil

    You have to question your level of interest in the game when that is what you think of with 1 min left, the game on the line, and lots of good chances…

    I didn’t order the game.

    I cared too much throughout the year. I had to let it go after the Anaheim game (haven’t watched a game since then). It’s like watching your grandma suffer in her final days; you just can’t bear to see it.

  57. oilerdago says:

    You know – when you drop 4 of your last 6 home games, you really don’t deserve the playoffs.

  58. Iztok says:

    Sooo.. how about that draft? (The bile just rose in my gut)

  59. PunjabiOil says:

    Scott Glenie? Nazem Khadri? Evander Kane?

    Lets brainstorm guys. Brainstorm, dammit.

  60. Showerhead says:

    I find that a lot of people have their opinions cocked and ready heading into most arguments around here. To that end:

    1) MacT couldn’t get the boys fired up for the BIGGEST GAME IN HISTORY and as such should be fired himself.

    2) Horcoff didn’t score all game. What a waste of space.

    3) None of the kids scored either. Fuck, MacT can’t coach young players.

    4) Hemsky lost the puck at the blueline with the game on the line. While on the topic, he was afraid to shoot all game. Trade him before the rest of the league realizes he’ll never be a top flight winger.

    5) Dustin Penner is fat.

  61. Lucinius says:

    No, the Oilers don’t really deserve to get into the playoffs anyways, as they just couldn’t win critical games.

    Hopefully next season goes better (playoffs, damnit!), but losses like tonight are ones I can stomach. We largely dominated play for most of the game. Sadly, it was only once we were down two goals, but still.

  62. gary b says:

    nuts.

    well, at least there’s still girls, bicycles and beer.

    happy summer everybody!

  63. pboy says:

    Well, here’s hoping the Oilers make some smart changes in the off season, not just change for the sake of it.

  64. pboy says:

    This website definitely made the season alot more enjoyable than it should have been. Thanks LT

  65. oilerdago says:

    Yes LT – thank you for making this season tolerable.

    Your blog was THE best thing about the Oilers this season.

  66. PunjabiOil says:

    I agree. Good job Lowetide.

  67. Icecastles says:

    pboy said…
    This website definitely made the season alot more enjoyable than it should have been. Thanks LT

    The playoff hopes are officially over now, but there are still two games left in the season – If Phoenix and LA can play to win without a chance of a playoff berth, then so can Edmonton. I’m not saying happy summer until 82 games have been played, even if they were statistically eliminated at game 30.

    Wow, Moreau sounds REALLY shaken up in the p.g. interview.

  68. mc79hockey says:

    Hard to blame Moreau. He’s been let down by the PP and the kids all year.

  69. pboy says:

    lol

  70. Lowetide says:

    There’s going to be some movement this summer.

  71. Icecastles says:

    “The LA Kings are an up and coming team. They are going to be a very good team in 2 or 3 years.”

    Thankfully they don’t have to wait that long to beat the Oilers.

    “It’s really hard to come back from a 2 goal deficit in this league.”

    That’ right, it’s not the Oilers’ fault! It’s the fault of that jerk 2-goal deficit. If LA hadn’t scored any goals, it would have been a different game!

    Fucking apologists.

  72. mc79hockey says:

    Just so long as Moreau goes. I’m not foolish enough to think that Lowe will get it but Moreau…please god, Moreau.

  73. mc79hockey says:

    Everyone bitching about losing to the LA Kings: welcome to watching NHL hockey. There isn’t that much of a difference between 90% of the teams, any given Sunday etc.

  74. Showerhead says:

    MC79: LOL.

    LT: I guess we’ll have to stay tuned to see how it shakes out. Anyone care to address my Isles suggestion from the other day? I’m really thinking that the players on this team, aged 5 years, under slightly different circumstances, are going to be good enough for a lot of people who don’t know any better to wonder how in the hell Edmonton bowed out in game 80.

    And then they’ll blame the coach.

  75. oilerdago says:

    Icecastles: there are two games left in the season and a chance for 2 more teams to pass them in the standings (Ottawa and Dallas).

    Not saying I want them to tank the last 2 games, but I do want to see JDD (now that it matters not one bit) and I would not mind seeing Chorney get in two games to see what he can do too.

    If Van holds on vs. Calgary, you can bet that the game Friday will be more than a glorified scrimmage.

  76. Icecastles says:

    Lowetide said…There’s going to be some movement this summer.

    One more way in which the summer will not resemble the Oilers’ power play.

  77. Iztok says:

    The beer is gone; so is the patience. It’s been 3 years now. 3 years in hockey terms is a Lifetime.

    You do not piss away 3 years of a Franchise’s lifetime and goodwill unless you have absolutely no idea what you are doing.

  78. Showerhead says:

    Honest question: San Jose at home vs. Colorado – what are the odds? As high as 60%? I wouldn’t bet any amount of money that mattered to me on 60%.

  79. Vic Ferrari says:

    Dennis:

    Loved the Thin Lizzy YouTube. Dancing guy just keeps getting cooler as it rolls along.

    In about `91 I saw Gary Moore`s show in Portsmouth, England. Saw it with John S from Calgary, who slipper might know, great little theatre as well. He was one of only a few old friends that visited me abroad, cool cat, and I`m glad he made the trip because things went a bit sideways for him since and he may never be allowed to leave the country again. We had a blast, the fucker could find real trouble playing bocce with Mennonites, and he did there (just on this night an incident in a pizza place and then again on the train afterwards) I still love the guy.

    He`s also the guy that made me believe that Salo wasn`t good enough and that save% was the key stat, years ago. He said `Salo doesn`t stop enough pucks`, which pointed me towards save% and made me dude 2 on the anti-Salo bandwagon with yourself. You only get so many words from someone like that, best to listen.

    And your scoring chance stuff is off the hook, Dennis. Brilliantly honest. I don`t know if you`ve noticed, when you fill the form and click the button, the bizarre nature of the url that is created … there is a reason for that.

    Hockey had it`s own Bill James, his name was Roger Neilson. It will be a decade before baseball catches up, if ever.

    It`s time for us to move on to baseball now. Yes?

  80. Icecastles says:

    Agreed, Dago. It’s too bad it was Novermber to April without a single start for JDD though. What a complete, total, absolute waste of a developing goalie.

    I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have played Roli as much as they did (okay,I am saying that, but guardedly), but when they ‘solved’ the 3-headed goalie monster, they actually found a way to make their goaltending situation worse. Horrible horrible horrible asset management.

  81. Showerhead says:

    Icecastles: Zing! Painful in a way, but Zing nonetheless.

  82. PDO says:

    Showerhead:

    To win $100 betting on the Sharks tonight, you would have had to bet $411.

  83. Alice says:

    Losing sucks. Let’s hope that’s a lesson in motivation that they take to heart. And maybe part of that ‘unmotivated’ look to many games this season was simply this defensive forecheck posture all along. We’ve wondered why they didn’t seem fired up on many occasions. But that’s not the coach failing to motivate, that’s [just] the coach playing a crap system. For about 77 games. I guess the buck stops at the same place.

  84. oilerdago says:

    You’re darn right about poor asset management w/JDD. The coach panicked too early in the season with the goalie and there is no way to sugar coat that.

    No excuse for that one.

  85. Showerhead says:

    PDO: LOL. I swear to Vic’s cunning hockey god that I thought I made up the example. Looked at the top of the West, looked at the bottom, and BAM – turns out they’re playing tonight and it’s like ra-yee-ain on your wedding day…

  86. St George says:

    Brad Winchester has the same amount of goals as Horc. Amazing.

  87. Showerhead says:

    Also: since I’ve had TWO friends text me about it now, NO I do not necessarily believe any of the things in my #1-5 list, with the jury of course being out on the possibility of Dustin Penner’s fatness.

  88. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    St George said…
    Brad Winchester has the same amount of goals as Horc. Amazing.

    But not surprising.

  89. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    CLAP.

  90. Icecastles says:

    Brad Winchester has the same amount of goals as Horc. Amazing.

    And the same amount of faceoffs, own-one faceoffs and PK time / tough minutes, I’m sure.

    I understand people’s disappointment with Horcoff’s year, but there is more to playing hockey than goal scoring. His one-timers especially have been horrid (residuals of the shoulder surgery?), but there is a lot to like in his game this year and in a lot of ways, he had it the toughest of any Oilers not wearing goalie pads.

    Also, Brad Winchester is the next Joe Sakic.

    They’re both boring interviewees.

  91. Woodguy says:

    Great blog LT.

    Really glad I stumbled upon it this year. Quality participants and a level of discourse which reminds me of the gentlemen's clubs that Watson and Holmes would frequent.

    Here's to hoping for:

    No thecaptainehtanmoreau

    No steveringthepuckwithoutlookingstaios

    Getting a very, very good 1LW for 77 & 13 after resigning 37

    Everyone who posts in this blog is happy about who plays 3C next year, and that player is suited to that role

    78 gets a real chance

    Finding 44 a good home if His Magesty Bouwmeester wants to play here

    Getting a starting goalie for under 3M

    Penner gets addicted to coke, loses 30lbs, becomes paranoid due to drug use which in turn makes him mean and he plays like the second coming of Bertuzzi.

    A short goodbye for MacTavish. Love or hate him, he is a gentleman and deserves such. I don't have to wish for a soft landing for MacTavish, that will happen regardless. He will do what he wants to do. I envy that much control in ones life.

  92. speeds says:

    “The LA Kings are an up and coming team. They are going to be a very good team in 2 or 3 years.”

    Who knows how it’ll go, but it wouldn’t shock me if they are a pretty good team NEXT year. They have some money to spend, they are a team that can draw free agents.

    Pick up Gaborik, a top 4 D, and they look pretty ready for a playoff battle to me.

  93. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    speeds said…
    “The LA Kings are an up and coming team. They are going to be a very good team in 2 or 3 years.”

    Who knows how it’ll go, but it wouldn’t shock me if they are a pretty good team NEXT year. They have some money to spend, they are a team that can draw free agents.

    Pick up Gaborik, a top 4 D, and they look pretty ready for a playoff battle to me.”

    And they’re about to get another very nice draft pick.

  94. Dennis says:

    Vic: How was the show? I got into Thin Lizzy in the weirdest way. During the old days of MuchMusic, there was a black guy named Micheal Williams who hosted a show called “Soul In The City” and that was probably about the only show I didn’t watch on that network:

    Side Note: anyone else remember the Much show on Tuesday evenings called “Hostess Sneak Previews” and that’s where they’d premiere all the new videos? Fuck, I loved that show. I remember being like 14 and 15 and spending a lot of time at the neighbour’s house because both his folks worked the nightshift and a few of us would always gather on Tues to watch that show. At that time we were just wondering what the next cut would be off Megadeth and Iron Maiden albums:)

    Anyway, Williams was one of the DJ’s and he would also play Thin Lizzy. And that’s how I got into them. So, I signed up with Columbia House under one of my many assumed names:) and I got their Greatest Hits and I was hooked.

    BTW, I hope you, Ty, Matt, Cam, Bruce and others dig into the SC’s and see what you can find.

    Here are some things I think I know:

    - the SC’s loved 89 even when he wasn’t picking up points.

    - 34 looked done early on

    - the SC’s love 27

    - the 37/77 tandem was absolute gold

    - 18 had a super lucky season that I’d bet would not be replicated

    - 78 had an unlucky season.

    - 5 really didn’t take the step that many people thought he did. Or if he did, it’s that he went from pretty bad to being a good 5th or 6th.

    - 10 was kicking ass for the longest time even with all the extra work. So, did he just wear down or is he playing hurt? I’d say it’s a combination of both.

  95. Bank Shot says:

    Holes that need filling to achieve contender status:

    First Line Forward
    Top Pairing Defenseman
    Starting Goaltender
    Third Line Center

    Good Grief.

  96. Woodguy says:

    Also:

    Hoping Lowe signs Scuderi for 1.75, Bouwmeester for 7, Grebs for 3 and Smid for 1.75, 44 gets to play somewhere in California next year, and Staios gets to taken to a nice old couple on a farm so he can run free.

    Bouwmeester – Scuderi
    Vishnosky – Grebs
    Peckham – Smid

    Total = 19.69

    This year’s starting 6 (assuming Smid, not Struds) = 20.125

  97. HBomb says:

    Bank Shot: change top pairing defenseman to shutdown defenseman, and I think you’re in the ballpark.

  98. Dennis says:

    Wood: You’d have to believe that 78′s done if MacT’s here because the coach already said he wasn’t a centre and he couldn’t play in a non-offensive role and when he Did show go in an offensive role with 89, he ended up riding the pine.

    I say the 51-46 combo stays together on the 4th line and we bring in a vet for the secondary tough pivot min come next year.

    Also, for those asking about Greene, I thought he looked really good tonight. He looked like what we hope 5 will become; 5 will be able to carry the puck and make a decent pass but he’s got a long way to go before he bosses people around like Greene can and, as The Spaceman said, Greene seems to be the kind of guy we need on the backend on the PK.

  99. Bank Shot says:

    Hbomb: Yea, that’s generally what I refer to when talking about top pairing defenders. The Oilers don’t really have any at the moment.

    Gilbert stands a good chance, but they need to add someone else as Souray and Visnovksy will never be there, and Grebeshkov may always be too high risk.

  100. Coach pb9617 says:

    - the SC’s love 27

    The only bright side to the letdown is that a new coach should utilize the tools at hand much more effectively.

  101. Brett Gee 英 明 says:

    I fly home to Canada from China for 6 months next week. I was hoping to watch the team play a few games against the Sharks. Sucks.

    But, now that 3 years in a row is a reality, and we’re not going into the off season with as much optimism as last year, the team looks ripe for fixing things up. That’s a positive for me. Clean up this mess please.

    At least I’ll have baseball to watch.

    One question…

    With the Oilers out, which team are you guys rooting for in the playoffs?

    I like Columbus in the West (Or Saint Loo if they get in) and, I guess, Washington in the East.

  102. PunjabiOil says:

    That’s a nice article:

    While the NHL looks the other way, the Oilers may, in a sense, come under too much attention in Edmonton. Boston Bruins center Ken Linseman, who was a member of the Oilers for two seasons, including 1983-84, when they won their first Stanley Cup, says the atmosphere for hockey players in Edmonton is stifling. “They live and die hockey there,” he says. “They have nothing else to be proud of. In the States people cheer for athletes, but in Canada many people grow up playing hockey. They all despise you [for your success]. I suffocated in Edmonton. I couldn’t breathe. The city was so small, you couldn’t get anywhere without people talking about hockey.”

    No credit to West Edmonton Mall?

  103. PunjabiOil says:

    Glen Sather:

    “I’m not so naive to think that no one on this hockey club has been exposed to something they shouldn’t have. Any kind of drugs you want to find I’m sure has been exposed to this team at one time or another. If a guy goes to a party, gets drunk, or sniffs a line of cocaine, or smokes a joint, that doesn’t make him a compulsive user or dealer or anything. That makes him a guy who went to a party and had a good time. If it becomes a habit, if he gets caught, then you’ve got a problem. But until it’s a problem I can’t do anything with it.”

  104. Dennis says:

    The part where Sather calls Fuhr dumb is pure gold.

    It seems like the old club would’ve been a lot more fun to follow Even when they lost.

    I was blown away by some of that stuff.

  105. Coach pb9617 says:

    Drew Cogliano needs to finish 11-6 on the dot over the last two games to avoid becoming the worst single-season faceoff man of the decade.

  106. Phil says:

    Even with the blatant holes in this lineup, this team still should have made the playoffs. If I could wish for only one thing next year, it would be that whoever the coach is, he doesn’t start so many post game pressers with “We just didn’t have any jump to start the game…”. Like he did tonight. And after most games this year.

    Thanks LT for another season of great stories, insights, and a reason to slack off at work :)

    Cole with his second 4 point night since the trade. Just sayin’.

  107. Garnet says:

    Someone here knows the answer: has any (non-expansion) team ever missed the playoffs for three straight years without canning either the coach or the GM?

  108. Garnet says:

    If only there were someone to coax some “jump” out of our players to start the game. I wonder whose job that would be?

  109. Dennis says:

    Speaking of luck and gambling, here’s two things I came across.

    Honestly, I never heard of this guy but his name turned up in a search in the SI Vault:

    Gary Austin is his name:

    http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1123198/1/index.htm

    So, I wondering what happened to the guy and I Google him and here’s what I came up with:

    http://www.gambling911.com/TradeWinds-Sportsbook-050107.html

    “Gary Austin, who owned and managed Gary Austin’s race and sports book, was a degenerate gambler, who, as many people know, bet millions on a World series (was it the one between Kansas City and St. Louis) and lost because of a blatantly bad call by a first base umpire.

    “Anyway, because of the loss, Austin’s set up a fake robbery of his race and sportsbook, and used this as an excuse to close his establishment and stiff the players, me among them.

    “The investigation was a farce, and Austin got off scot-free. The Gaming Control Board did nothing to help bettors recoup their losses and took no legal action against Austin.”

  110. Phil says:

    I don’t think it had as much to do with MacT as most people think. I think there was too much discord in the dressing room between the old guys and the good guys. The team was never playing for each other, and it showed.

  111. Dennis says:

    LT: I imagine this one’s gonna take you back.

    You as well, Vic.

    http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1095422/index.htm

  112. boopronger says:

    well ive said it before but it seems like shot count doesnt matter to the oilers. They get outshot and lose and people complain. They get outshot and win and people complain they got lucky or rode Rolosons back.

    They outshoot the opposition and lose. These 3 scenarios have happened all year. I dont get it. Oiler “system” or anomaly?

  113. Icecastles says:

    Mc79Hockey gets a shout out on Overtime Open Line. You’re in the big leagues now! ;)

  114. Dennis says:

    IC: what did the boys say about Ty?

  115. Tyler says:

    And to think Brownlee made fun of our sales.

  116. Dennis says:

    This Brownlee you speak of, is that the guy who knows everything and is right to dismiss the “little ol’ fans?”

    That Brownlee?:)

  117. Icecastles says:

    Dennis: Stauffer mentioned that MC79 had proposed trying to bring in Harding over the summer which seemed like a really good idea to him. Tencer chimed in and said “just for the sake of disclosure, the author of MC79 and I have not seen eye to eye on a number of things this season” or words to that affect.

  118. Tyler says:

    I’ll have to go dig this out of the CHED archives – I don’t get Tencer’s point at all. I don’t think I’ve had any run-ins with Tencer since I gave him the gears about kissing Pat LaForge’s ass for an hour.

  119. Bruce says:

    Well I’m back. The astrobiology lecture was terrific. How was the hockey game?

  120. Coach pb9617 says:

    Well I’m back. The astrobiology lecture was terrific. How was the hockey game?

    They were who we thought they were. The Oilers, I mean.

    Tencer chimed in and said “just for the sake of disclosure, the author of MC79 and I have not seen eye to eye on a number of things this season” or words to that affect.

    Was he attempting to invalidate the point by saying that since he previously disagreed with Ty this argument was no good?

  121. Icecastles says:

    Bruce: Astroboy lecture? Awesome!

    Coach: That’s exactly what it sounded like. Tencer can be very, very touchy. Deep need to be seen as the guy in the know. Doesn’t like ideas that contradict his own, big defender of management, and something of a revisionist historian when people call him out on things that he’s said in the past.

  122. PunjabiOil says:

    Great, Linus has signed in KHL.

  123. Schitzo says:

    Link?

  124. Steve says:

    While the NHL looks the other way, the Oilers may, in a sense, come under too much attention in Edmonton. Boston Bruins center Ken Linseman, who was a member of the Oilers for two seasons, including 1983-84, when they won their first Stanley Cup, says the atmosphere for hockey players in Edmonton is stifling. “They live and die hockey there,” he says. “They have nothing else to be proud of. In the States people cheer for athletes, but in Canada many people grow up playing hockey. They all despise you [for your success]. I suffocated in Edmonton. I couldn’t breathe. The city was so small, you couldn’t get anywhere without people talking about hockey.”

    I am Ken Linesman – I am rat.

  125. mc79hockey says:

    I dug up that CHED clip. Awesome. Tencer’s a complete idiot.

    Why would Harding sign a one year offer sheet for ~$2.6MM? Because it beats having the Wild take him to arbitration and pay him half the money. On a one year contract.

  126. Woodguy says:

    A little help guys.

    I cannot find my link to the page that has a break down of all the players in the NHL and their point production with different players on their team.

    Went scrolling through the links on the side and no dice either….

    Thank you in advance

  127. CrazyCoach says:

    Now we will hear that Horcoff played hurt for a better part of the season. If that’s the case (and I’m sure it is) it just goes to show what a great player Horcoff is. He never whines, never complains, never lets on that he’s hurt.

    Anyone who thinks Horcoff is the problem with this team has obviously been playing without a helmet.

  128. HBomb says:

    CrazyCoach: I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t either.

    The guy I’m waiting to hear something about when it comes to playing through injury is Hemsky. He hasn’t been right ever since he got ran over by Byfuglien in that Feb.3rd game.

  129. Woodguy says:

    Thanks Bruce!

  130. bookie says:

    LT – When will you post the RIP page?

  131. Traktor says:

    Riiight…

    Horcoff isn’t hurt enough from stopping him from playing 20 minutes a night, he’s just hurt enough to stop him from producing.

    Horcoff was a complete failure this year. He had 1 goal over the last 13 games when we needed him most.

    Brad Winchester has as many EV goals as Horcoff. Horcoff ranks around 230th in EV goals and idiots are calling him such a great player.

  132. dstaples says:

    S.I. story by a Toronto reporter, alleging cocaine use by unnamed Oilers came out in 1986, I believe, after the Oil lost to the Flames.

    The Journal’s Fuhr-cocaine story, by Tom Barret and me, came out in August 1990.

    For the next month after it appeared, we chased after the Holy Grail of Edmonton sports journalism, a story of a photograph of an NHL hockey player snorting a white substance from the Stanley Cup.

    We even tracked down a women in witness protection program on Vancouver island who was said to have it.

    But she did not.

  133. mc79hockey says:

    For the next month after it appeared, we chased after the Holy Grail of Edmonton sports journalism, a story of a photograph of an NHL hockey player snorting a white substance from the Stanley Cup.

    We even tracked down a women in witness protection program on Vancouver island who was said to have it.

    But she did not.

    Did you ask Matheson? I assume that he just has all of this stuff in a file somewhere, waiting for use in the book that he’ll use to fund his retirement.

  134. LittleFury says:

    We even tracked down a women in witness protection program on Vancouver island who was said to have it.

    But she did not.

    And now she’s dead.

  135. CrazyCoach says:

    Horcoff isn’t hurt enough from stopping him from playing 20 minutes a night, he’s just hurt enough to stop him from producing.

    I doubt even Ken Lowe knows about his injuries. Players try to play through them whenever they can. The guys who play at the NHL level are very proud and will not sit for anything.

    As far as Winchester goes, he had his shot here and he didn’t fit. Sometimes a change of scenery is what a player needs.

  136. CrazyCoach says:

    DSTAPLES I believe the story you are looking for came out in May of 1986 after the Oilers lost to the Flames. I can still see that cover of Roger Clemons and the headline, “The Joyless End of a Joyride: Until their ouster from the playoffs the Edmonton Oilers were flying high on the ice and off it as well!”

    Something like that. Hindsight tells us that yes there was drug use, but the way SI wrote it up, you’d think the Oilers had Daryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, and Lawrence Taylor on the roster.

  137. Dennis says:

    Ty: Are you a big Simpsons fan? You ever see the ep where Bart and Milhouse wind up in the Comic Book Guy’s basement and he’s got all his biggest acquistions there?

    I imagine that’s the kind of thing Matheson has going on.

  138. pboy says:

    You think he has Jaroslav Pouzar, Reijo Ruotsalainen and Pokey Reddick all hanging on his wall in pristine condition?

  139. Phil says:

    Great, Linus has signed in KHL.

    Can anyone blame him?

  140. Lord Bob says:

    This just in: players don’t want crappy AHL rookie maximum of, like, $65,000 when Russians will give them a million dollars.

  141. dstaples says:

    Matty’s tell-all will surely rock the world.

    Actually, he’s totally focused on the hockey, not all the other noise and hoopla.

    At the time, the SI article, which had unnamed sources going after unnamed Oilers, was a much hated piece of journalism in Edmonton, by pretty much everybody.

    Of course, Sather didn’t like it any better when people actually used their real names to accuse Fuhr of cocaine use.

    No, Sather wasn’t happy at all, and I can’t say I blame him.

    PunjabiOil — that is a brutal quote from Linseman about Edmonton. But, as well all know, the city is not everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s OK. It’s getting big and crowded enough already as it is.

  142. dstaples says:

    You knew her, Little Fury?

    She was quite a character in her time.

  143. mc79hockey says:

    At the time, the SI article, which had unnamed sources going after unnamed Oilers, was a much hated piece of journalism in Edmonton, by pretty much everybody.

    I don’t like unnamed sources going after unnamed Oilers any more than the next guy but as you’ve told us David, the beat guys don’t like getting their lunch eaten any more than the next guy. As you showed with the Fuhr story, they were getting their lunch eaten. Were their beat guys who knew more about the Oilers’ party habits than they were letting on? I expect that there were. If I had to bet, I’d bet that Fuhr wasn’t the only Oiler into the coke. I also suspect that some of your colleagues could tell us all about it and they didn’t particularly like looking bad – the story as much as said that the local media was in bed with the team.

    I actually thought that the bit about Slats sidestepping Fuhr’s agent to deal with Fuhr directly was pretty disgusting. He deserved everything that he got from Ritch Winter down the line. Maybe it’s the lawyer in me – lawyers are not to negotiate with parties who are represented – but that’s some real 1950′s shit from Slats.

  144. dstaples says:

    Slats was strictly old school for sure, for good and for ill.

  145. Woodguy says:


    If I had to bet, I’d bet that Fuhr wasn’t the only Oiler into the coke.

    I remember very clearly that all the commentators would mention that the Oilers could play ho-hum hockey for 40 minutes, then “some-how” turn it on in the 3rd.

    I remember Bruce on ITV exclaiming, “they always seem to find the extra gear in the 3rd”

    LaFleur used to smoke between periods in the 70′s. Probably a little different in the 80′s.

    Make no mistake, they had far more talent than their opponents.

    They still skated like the wind in the 3rd when they had to.

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