Sharks at Oilers, G78/08-09

This is Dan Boyle. I liked the Sharks to go deep into the second season before they acquired him, and it looks to me like the team to beat in the west wears teal and black.

I hope they win it all. The Oakland Seals fanbase deserves it.

As for the Oilers, what a dreadful way to end an entertaining season. I stubbornly maintain Craig MacTavish doesn’t deserve the ass-kicking he’s getting from the fans (and he’s getting it) due to the shoddy template used by Oilers management (“we’re out of balance now, but we’ll figure out what we need at the deadline”) but that train has left the station.

Craig MacTavish is a dead man walking today in terms of his Oilers coaching career. I’ll predict two things:

  1. MacT gets an NHL job in a heartbeat.
  2. The Oilers hire someone with deep ties to the organization to replace him.
  3. Said person is a little shy in terms of coaching experience.

We’ll see. Go Oilers. Clap. Clap.

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  1. Daron says:

    What are the chances Phoenix buys Wayne out and he comes home to “save the day”? That would be exactly the kind of headline grabber Bettman would bend over backwards to facilitate behind the scenes, wouldn’t it?

  2. Alice says:

    Daron – That’s just what we need, another runty centerman!

    [And LT lives to host another day. Clap clap]

  3. oilerdago says:

    Yes LT’s back.

    I’m going to throw this out at the risk of being run over by a train.

    While I’m very frustrated by the job MacT’s done this year, there is no question in my mind he is a good coach and will wind up somewhere else as well.

    Unlike others, I’ve felt up until this season he’s done an excellent job coaching in very difficult circumstances.

    Does he deserve all the blame being heaped on him this season? No, but when you are the coach, you are going to catch stuff that you deserve and some stuff you don’t.

    Does KLowe deserve some of the blame here? Actually, I think he deserves even more because it’s very obvious that he and MacT were not on the same page regarding the way the team was constructed going into the season.

    But MacT’s made a number of tactical mistakes this season that he’s got no one but himself to blame for (Penner, Pisani at Center, over-playing Roli, Smid at wing, etc…).

    This summer Tambellini will have to step up and show the fan base that he is in fact ready for the job and cleaning up the mess the previous GM made of the roster will not be easy. There are some good parts here, but some gaping holes as well and with the salary cap going down in 2010/2011 it will be even tougher.

  4. Coach pb9617 says:

    I stubbornly maintain Craig MacTavish doesn’t deserve the ass-kicking he’s getting from the fans

    LT, Trak:


    I did the work to settle your disagreement
    on MacTavish.

    # MacT gets an NHL job in a heartbeat.

    Given his tendencies and desired roster makeup, I’ll guess Ottawa. They even have an MAB waiting for him in Campoli.

    The Oilers hire someone with deep ties to the organization to replace him.

    If so, it will show that it’s not Katz or Tambellini’s team.

    Get me an old Boudreau assistant, someone that knows his system. Install that puppy here.

  5. Dennis says:

    Daron: I don’t think Bettman would want that At all. I feel like the reason why more journalistic boots aren’t being directed towards the Phx situation in the first place is because Gretzky’s there.

    If he moves from that place, the knives will come out.

    LT: Glad to see you back, bud!

    Not that you’ll be shocked by this;) but I have to disagree on the entertainment issue. I love things that are dependable and I hate things that are dependable and I don’t find it entertaining knowing how bad our PK is. Plus, the team hasn’t hardly been fun to watch at all since 71 left – games at Mtl and Chi being the exceptions to that rule.

    They really weren’t any hell before he went out, either.

  6. HBomb says:

    Kelly Buchberger is an unacceptable replacement for Craig MacTavish.

    That is all.

  7. Satisfied_to_Ignore says:

    Oilers can play loose now, like the run last year, and we all know what that means: they will win a few to give us hope before they choke when it gets to crunch time

    these last five our going to be fun, especially when Smac pounds some calgary faces prepping them to be swept first round! (when can’t cheer for the oilers revert to slamming the flames)

  8. doritogrande says:

    Get me an old Boudreau assistant, someone that knows his system. Install that puppy here.

    Get me Scott Arneil. Head coach of my hometown Moose who, as I last checked were tops in the AHL. Arneil’s had a tough season to work with in terms of injuries (Ouellet, Cullen, Fortunus, Baumgartner, Sawada) and untimely callups (Schneider, Krog, Jaffray, Neal) but he’s made it work.

    He may not play an overly offensive hockey game, but the Moose still make for exciting hockey. He has NHL experience as an assistant under Lindy Ruff in Buffalo.

  9. Dennis says:

    Coach: but does that system work in Wsh because you’ve got the skill to play it? I like 89′s season overall given his age but the problem with giving him the opp that soft min provides is that unless you’re Malkin or Crosby or OV, kids won’t be good enough to fully exploit it.

    Gagner certainly wasn’t and I”d wager neither would be Cogliano.

    OD: I said this in the last thread when I had a search party out for LT but you could make an argument that the coach has done a good enough job at EV. The difference really has been the PK – I believe JW said five teams with a worse PP than ours are currently in playoff position while the same can’t be said of anyone with a worse PK.

    So, we could keep MacT and go through all the lineups we wish but unless a couple of different players aren’t brought in and/or the coaching and philosophy isn’t changed when it comes to the PK, we’re still fucked.

  10. Coach pb9617 says:

    He may not play an overly offensive hockey game, but the Moose still make for exciting hockey. He has NHL experience as an assistant under Lindy Ruff in Buffalo.

    My reasons for wanting a Boudreau assistant center around the fact that this team is built perfectly for his system. A skilled back end and small speedy forwards. Bruce, Doogie and I were chatting about it. Get a coach that can work with the team you’ve built, rather than a coach that needs to remake every player on the team to work in his system.

  11. Sean says:

    Side note, did you guys know a moneyball movie is coming out? Sorry if its old news…

  12. bookie says:

    So, the news today is that it is all over, the papers are reporting that MacT is going to live on the farm where he can play and run all day long, the blogs are talking about playing JDD for the remainder of the season – its official Oilerdome has given up all hope.

    Perfect – this is where the Oilers shine!

  13. DBO says:

    I have bashed Mact as much as anyone this year, but that has been happening for many years (like 7). That being said the fact they are close to the playoffs when you look at the roster is impressive. I think he can coach a certain kind of team (loaded with vets) to success. Regardless of blame, time for a NEW voice. if we bring in one of the assistants I will be so disappointed. it will mean the management is really blind to some of the issues inside and outside of the room. And if they do go with a Buchberger (threw up in my mouth a bit), it’ll be a clear sign that KLowe is in Keith Hernandez mode.

    All that said, i’ll still sneak away from the family dinner I have tonight (stupid spring break) and watch as much as I can, cheer, cry and return to my dinner hopefully a happy man. Clap, Clap.

  14. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: but does that system work in Wsh because you’ve got the skill to play it? I like 89′s season overall given his age but the problem with giving him the opp that soft min provides is that unless you’re Malkin or Crosby or OV, kids won’t be good enough to fully exploit it.

    if Hemsky, Gagner, O’Sullivan, Horcoff, Cogliano, Pisani don’t have the skill to work it, then you tear down the roster and rebuild completely and in three years you might have something.

    The roster isn’t set up to dump and chase and grind. It’s not set up to play along the boards. It’s not set up to possess the puck. It’s not set up play a trap. It’s not set up to play a highly skilled game. If the roster can’t play fast break hockey, then blow it all up and start over because there is no style that the assembled roster can play.

  15. bookie says:

    But MacT’s made a number of tactical mistakes this season that he’s got no one but himself to blame for (Penner, Pisani at Center, over-playing Roli, Smid at wing, etc…).

    Some of us understand that the team was inexperienced, saw personal underperform, and that it lacked an adequate balance of players. It is within that context that we suggest that the combination of errors that you mention above is justification for replacing MacT. MacT is a good, but not great coach. Throughout his career he has frequently had ‘quirks’ sidetrack him. My favorite was when he obsessed about ‘mistakes’ for two whole seasons to the point that the team was frozen with fear to make play because they might make a ‘mistake’.

    So, it is within the context of the other problems with the Oilers that I suggest that MacT’s poor decision making is justification for his removal.

  16. DBO says:

    Coach: agree about the roster. Seems like KLowe tried to assemble a puck possesion team, while his coach wanted a more grinder dump and chase, defensive team. We got caught somewhere in the middle, and the result was inconsistency, confused players and an unbalanced team that could never put a real run together since we didn’t have a real identity and our coach was trying to put square pegs into round holes.

  17. bookie says:

    BTW – I think we should bring in Messier for a coach. That would be awesome. :)

  18. pboy says:

    Salary Cap this season is $56.7 million. It’s going to be down next season but probably not as much as some people are think it might be because of the poor economy. Most experts are thinking it will be in the range of $54-55 million for the 09/10 season. After that, it should drop off drastically. $50-52 million is a realistic expectation for 10/11 season.

    Let’s look at what the Oilers have committed for 09/10 season. $46.779 million for next year and we have no starting goalie, Strudwick is UFA (no real need to bring him back) and Grebs, Smid, Brodziak, Brule and Reddox are all RFA.

    So if you look at my “proposed” salary cap numbers for next season, the Oilers have anywhere from $8-9 million dollars to spend on a starting goalie and 5 RFA’s. Bring Roli back for 1 year at 3 million or so and there is only $5-6 million to spend on the RFA’s. Grebs is going to get at least 3 million a year, that is probably pretty short considering what Gilbert signed for……..Where am I going with this?

    The Oilers will probably be looking at getting rid of at least 1 of Souray, Vish, Moreau, Penner or Staios just so they can afford to keep their young talent. In the 10/11 season, Gagner, Cogliano and Pouliot are all RFA.

    I don’t see how they can bring in a Bouwmeester or the “mythical” 1st line center. Some of the vets on this team that are making 2 million + are as good as gone and we will be filling the bottom 2 lines with cheap young talent. Regardless of who’s coaching this team next year, they might have an even younger team to work with than the Oilers had this year.

  19. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    LT: I think Lowe would WANT to bring in someone as you mentioned, but even he must realize that the new person will have little clout that MacTavish did. If he did go that way though AND the new coach fails, then Lowe is putting himself in the hotseat. He is smart enough to realize that.

  20. Scott says:

    Five wins and they’re in! Tonight is step one in the relatively short journey to redemption for this season. Goilers!

  21. bookie says:

    With all that said…I am hoping for 5 in a row and a cup run.

    Clap Clap

  22. Coach pb9617 says:

    Getting to watch Pittsburgh new “pepper the goalie” system, I would also accept Tom Fitzgeral in lieu of a Boudreau assistant.

  23. DBO says:

    MacT type team (just my opinion)

    - 1 LW that can play both ways and tries hard every night (Ryan Smyth)
    - 3C that can win a faceoff, hustles every night and can play defense (marty reasoner type)
    - 4D that is a physical, mean, stay at home leader who is all heart (Jason Smith type)

    i think MacT was trying to coach his team like it had those three kinds of players in his lineup. If you replace Penner with Smyth, Cogliano with Reasoner, and Grebeshkov with Jason Smith i think we are a harder team to play against, the coach is way happier and we are more consistent. I don’t know if we make the playoffs, but i guarantee we look like we’re trying on the ice.

    Smyth – Horc – Hemksy
    Nilsson – Gagner – Cole
    Moreau – Reasoner – Pisani
    jacques – Brod – stortini

    Souray – Gilbert
    Vish – Smith
    Staios – Smid

    That is a MacT team.

  24. george says:

    The true definition of insanity is beleiving that you will get different results if you keep doing the same thing. Mac T is a smart coach nice guy, but there isn’t one sports fan base in the world that would settle for another year of him guiding the ship. This team has a ton of potential, we need new blood. Peter Laviolette, or better yet….that assistant coach from detroit that runs their PP.

  25. pboy says:

    DBO: And of course the problem with that is, MacT hasn’t adapted his coaching style or any of his philosophies to coach the players HE ACTUALLY HAS!!! He’s coaching the team he would like to have not the team he was given. That’s why he won’t be behind the bench of an NHL team next season.

  26. Phil says:

    What are the chances Phoenix buys Wayne out and he comes home to “save the day”?

    Phoenix can’t afford toilet paper at this point. So unless Wayne accepts food stamps as payment – not likely. Also, in case you hadn’t noticed, he’s a horrid coach.

    I’m fully convinced that LT’s second and third points are for real, and it scares the BeRobbie out of me. God I hope that doesn’t happen.

    On another note, why are so many posters here so quick to suggest we trade Cogliano? He’s been the biggest highlight for me this year, and I guarantee he’d be at the top of the list of players who leave the Oilers and tear it up elsewhere. Considering his linemates for the majority of the year, his point production is fantastic. So what if he can’t win a draw? That skill can be taught – unlike things like breakneck speed and a nose for the net. Every time I see someone say “…if we package Cogliano and xxx we could get yyy” I cringe.

  27. Tweezer So Cold says:

    ‘d really like to thank Lowetide for all his work on this blog. It’s my favourite place to come to for a quick read, and I absolutely love his 1970′s or earlier NHL references. You can never know enough hockey history, and you have definitely broadened my knowledge. Plus I loved the Expos as a kid.

    If you get a chance to watch the Playoff DVD the Oil issued to season ticket holders after the SCF 2006, MacT comes in the dressing room after the Game 6 shellacking of Erik Cole’s Canes and takes all the air out of a literally joyous dressing room in seconds, shifting the attitude from “nothing to lose, underdogs riding the backup goalie, fun and dangerous” to “Tightened Sphincter, we have something to lose, don’t make mistakes”. The result was a stinker of a Game 7 that was theirs for the taking.

    His measure-the-stick call against one of the Oilers’ all-time most dangerous opposing players, up there with Yzerman and Modano for damage done on the home ice sheet, was as many commenters have said Higgins-esque in its stupidity. He interrupted the magic again.

    There is no magic in this season unless they come out loose tonight, and not AFRAID to make mistakes.

    Now that they indeed have nothing left to lose, including their dignity, reputations, the entire fan base as well as post-season aspirations, I expect a kickass game tonight.

    And can we see Deslauriers?

    And more ice time for the 4th line?

    Thanks, now I’m good. Let’s GO Oilers

  28. DBO says:

    Phil: i think the Cogliano thing is not a slight on him, but merely an understanding that he doesn’t fit our 3C need, and is a valuable chip to play in order to address other needs. I really like him, to the point where I put him equal to gagner in terms of potential, but I also see that unless we move him to 2W he is miscast. And going forward, can we afford to pay both him and Gagner big bucks in 2 years? Horcoff’s deal will be a heavy weight on our cap, and like PBoy said it’s going to make our moves the nest few years interesting. We have a glut of “talented” small playes, with more (Eberle) in the wings, so moving one of our sprites for an established LW is a huge move and needs to happen. That whole BALANCE thing again.

  29. HBomb says:

    pboy: The organization best realize that salary shedding MUST start with Moreau and Staios, and go from there.

  30. Dennis says:

    Tweezer: I have never seen that DVD though I’d love to. I’m not an ebay guy so while I’d imagine copies made it on that site, I’ve never checked.

    Could someone here burn me a copy and send it to me? I’ll pay for the cost, of course.

    Regarding tonight, one of my favourite things that the local scribes don’t call players on is the idea that “we play better against tougher teams.”

    The sphere’s very own Knighttown blew apart that myth many moons ago yet it’s something that Souray in particular trots out every time we play an elite team

    Roli let in A shit goal at Phx, then he played out of his head at Ana, then he let it Two shit goals vs Minny and Ana. So, you either believe it’s all catching up to him OR he bottomed out when he let in that 4-1 goal to Ana.

    Or you believe KT when he says we get ragdolled versus really good teams.

    I’ll say Roli bottomed out last game but we get outplayed large and lose 3-1 and two of the GA are PP markers that even the awesome Roli couldn’t stop.

  31. pboy says:

    HBomb: Obviously I agree with you but how do you even start to guess with this organization? I’m really hoping that Tambo is up for the job and he puts his stamp on this team at the end of the season.

    I just finished the Joe Torre book “The Yankee Years” and it really illustrates the divide baseball is still going through between the old school “saw him good” guys and the newer “Moneyball” approach. I think the NHL is lagging far behind even baseball with using new methods to evaluate players and I hope the Oilers are on the cutting edge going forward. The numbers show that the Oil were a better team with Penner playing on the 1st line but he has played anywhere but for most of the season. Here’s hoping Tambo is a numbers guy…..

  32. HBomb says:

    Dennis: I may actually have two copies of said DVD laying around (originals, not burned). I’d have to do some digging in “the pile” to confirm such, but if I do, I’ll send you one.

  33. Scarlett says:

    Looks like Nilsson is in, Jacques is out and Penner is back on the 4th line. I really liked Jacques in the Ducks’ game…played hard!! Too bad!

  34. Gord says:

    I’ll predict two things:

    1. MacT gets an NHL job in a heartbeat.
    2. The Oilers hire someone with deep ties to the organization to replace him.
    3. Said person is a little shy in terms of coaching experience.

    Mr. Lowetide,

    I am guessing math was never your strong subject…

    But I thought you were able to count past two…… LOL

  35. Lowetide says:

    Gord: Damn.

    Coach: I don’t have time right now to counter, but will.

  36. pboy says:

    I thought Jacques was one of the Top 3 Oilers in that last game. Surprised to see him sitting out. If Nilsson is able to get that magic back with Gagner tonight, I wonder if any of the MSM will be asking why he was sat out of the last couple games where lack of offense was killing this team.

  37. Traktor says:

    I know Lowetide has said countless times that Edmonton does very well at the draft table. I agree.

    Coach’s work confirms that Edmonton gives more chances to kids than most teams.

    Yet the impact of these players is minimal.

    If we draft well, and we give our kids all kinds of chances yet we see minimal impact then it’s clear where the problem lies – Edmonton is mediocre at developing players. That falls on the coach IMO.

    Thanks for all that work you put in PB.

  38. HBomb says:

    I think that, if not for the Parise/Getzlaf pass for Pouliot in 2003, the Oilers scouting staff would be lauded far and wide.

    They’ve done a very, very good job since 2000. If not for that botched selection, I’d go so far as to call their work (excellent).

    Yes, they passed on Mike Green and Paul Stastny, but when a guy makes it through every other team as well and pans out like that, it’s not a miss, and more a case of a guy blooming after age 18 (which has been known to happen).

    They’re seemingly finding 2-3 good prospects per draft year. Between Gagner, Nash and Omark, that 2007 draft COULD turn out to be quite the class of selections.

    Scouting and procurement isn’t an issue. Development may be.

  39. Lowetide says:

    The Caps/Oil argument begins with Ovechkin. Does anyone seriously want to argue that MacT would be in the same place with this man at LW?

    Seriously?

  40. oilerdago says:

    //If we draft well, and we give our kids all kinds of chances yet we see minimal impact then it’s clear where the problem lies – Edmonton is mediocre at developing players. That falls on the coach IMO.//

    Traktor, I would balance what you just said with the fact that except for Gagner, I’m not sure that we’ve had any other top 10 (read Elite) picks.

    Hemsky was not a top 10 pick but has top 10 playmaking talent that would be helped if we could ever find a sniper to go with him.

    Lowe has tried and failed at that and now it’s Tambellini’s turn.

    If anything I would say our draft history over the last 8 years has the roster over-stocked with role players and players with too similar a skill set that we’ve not been able to parlay into the “right” complimentary talent.

    The exception being 05-06 when Lowe struck gold w/Pronger, Roli, Samsonov.

  41. Denny says:

    Deep ties hmmm!!

    KRUSHER!!!

    What do you think?

  42. Ken says:

    Re: two things.

    If MacT hadn’t lost the room, Lowetide would still be able to add.

    Clap clap.

    Go Oilers and let’s at least make these last few games entertainging.

  43. CrazyCoach says:

    Hockey is far behind baseball in scouting in terms of reliance on stats and hard data. The hard part is convincing all of the dinosaurs why they need to change. I know because of this blog I have changed the way I think of evaluating players and my approach.

    I also know that when I speak of evaluation using hard data, I am often met with strange looks, hostility, and laughter.

    If that’s just at the Rep and high performance level with kids, can you imagine what it is like at the pro level?

    How do we change?

  44. Coach pb9617 says:

    Looks like Nilsson is in, Jacques is out and Penner is back on the 4th line. I really liked Jacques in the Ducks’ game…played hard!! Too bad!

    Quoi?

    Feche La Vache!

    Quoi?

    Feche La Vache!

    Coach’s work confirms that Edmonton gives more chances to kids than most teams.

    But the results aren’t special enough to shake a stick.

    That falls on the coach IMO.

    Indeed.

    Thanks for all that work you put in PB.

    No problem, that was fun.

    The Caps/Oil argument begins with Ovechkin. Does anyone seriously want to argue that MacT would be in the same place with this man at LW?

    Seriously?

    He would not be in the same place because Semin would be in the press box, Backstrom would be on the 3rd line right wing and Fleischman would be the third line checking center. Chris Bourque would be up with the club and be the go to guy. Ovechkin would tell the press that he’s being asked to be a checker first.

    The Caps results would mirror Glen Hanlon’s results. Mactavish, I mean Hanlon, already tried the square peg round hole approach with that team. It worked as well as MacTavish’s acid trip of this year has worked.

  45. Doogie2K says:

    The Oilers hire someone with deep ties to the organization to replace him.

    If so, it will show that it’s not [...] Tambellini’s team.

    Fixed. There’s no real evidence that Katz isn’t just as willing to play favourites as Lowe. Remember, he’s friends with a lot of the Boys on the Bus, something that was emphasized repeatedly during the buying process. Remember also that he tried courting LeGG at the gym during the summer, despite the complete lack of need for his player type.

  46. Traktor says:

    “The Caps/Oil argument begins with Ovechkin. Does anyone seriously want to argue that MacT would be in the same place with this man at LW?”

    A couple months ago you wrote that Visnovsky might be the best defensemen you’ve watched in Oil silks. Pretty high praise.

    Safe to say he’s an impact player right?

    Well Edmonton’s win/loss ratio is basically the exact same with/without him in the lineup.

    I’d hope that MacT could find more W’s with an impact player like Ovechkin but it certainly didn’t happen with Visnovsky.

    It should also be noted that the Caps never had success until Glen Hanlon was fired. Guys like Mike Green didn’t take the next step until Bruce Boudreau implemented his system. Where the Caps would be if MacT was hired instead of Boudreau is no certainty. My guess is they wouldn’t be as high in the standings.

  47. Swabbubba says:

    Well you know.. Ladies & Gentlemen it is time for this team to fly…. There ain't no more tomorrows.
    What the hack in review has there anything that really jumped out.. Zorg and Red Bull…

    It is what is is Clap Clap!

  48. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Off Topic: Maybe I missed a highlight reel, but this Omark clip is a new one for me: http://www.wimp.com/crazygoal/

  49. Woodguy says:

    The Oilers hire someone with deep ties to the organization to replace him.Said person is a little shy in terms of coaching experience.

    Please be more explicit and name names.

    If the Oilers name Bucky as the new guy I’m not re-upping my tickets.

    I have a feeling if the Oil name Bucky it will be much easier to get a ticket in this town. Laforge will then blame the lack of sellouts on the economy on not the product.

  50. Phil says:

    DBO: I think Cogliano has a way better chance of covering the bet at 3C than Gagner does at being the 1C, but that’s just my opinion. I also believe that his being moved to the wing is a no-brainer, and if/when the new coach comes in, it will happen. But until then, you have a 20+ goal scorer getting paid less than $1M (cap hit might be a bit higher iirc, but still a bargain).

    I understand worrying about cap space, but only if he was due next year. Two years is an eternity. I think that if he’s used properly, he could be a 25+ goal scorer. If nothing else, he covers his bet next year, and is still tradeable next summer.

    The bigger issue for me is this – the future of this franchise is the 25-year-old and under group. I think you need to protect that group and add pieces that compliment it, not take away from it. If you allow them to all develop together, the resulting group will be much greater than the sum of it’s parts. Trading one of the core kid group (I consider 5, 12, 13, 19, 37, 46, 49, 51, 77, 83, 89 the core group, and yes, I realize Gibby is 26 years old) is a step backward in Leafian fashion.

    I think we all agree that there’s been ‘something wrong’ with this team going back to the pre-season. The problem is this – since the cup run, the core of this team has been completely changed, but the leadership hasn’t been handed over to it. Compare it to two other young, revamped teams – Pittsburg and Chicago. In these two cases, the captaincy has been given to virtual babies, and then veterans have been either kept or added with the understanding that they are there to foster the growth of the young group.
    In the Oilers’ case, they blew up a veteran core of players and gave the jobs to the kids, but let the few remaining vets think they’re running the show. And this is the rift that’s become so apparent. The old guard is blaming the kids for being kids, hoping they all get shipped out for veteran help, and pining for the good old days. The kids are all wondering where they’re supposed to fit in, when in fact it should be the old guard accommodating them. And it’s MacT’s fault for not setting everyone straight at the beginning of the season, and telling guys like Staios and thecraptonneethanmoreau that their generation has passed, and it’s now about the young guys. To me it’s like the team is saying to the kids “Look, virtually all of our expectations of success this year are on your shoulders, but we won’t publicly declare that we think you can handle the responsibility”.

    It’s also MacT’s fault that he made a 4th line plugger the pinnacle of leadership on the team, but that’s a rant for another day. Seriously, though. Go through the other 29 teams, and show me a captain with less on-ice talent.

  51. hunter1909 says:

    I’m fucking DYING to see MacT anywhere else…I’m dying to see just what a genius he really is…

    well..actually I think he’s a plonker…and he’s going to fall down flat on his face…but…

  52. hunter1909 says:

    If Katz had any hockey BALLS…

    He would be offering the moon to Coffey, Messier, Anderson…wtf ANYONE who actually made a difference back in the day.

    Give me a break. MacT? Lowe?

    Like settling for a doner kebab when Porterhouse is on the menu.

  53. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: Farther up the chain.

  54. Phil says:

    @Traktor: You’re trying to shoe-horn in an example there that’s pretty thin. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sticking up for MacT here, but c’mon. Vish is replaceable talent. Ovechkin would make a team coached by anyone vastly improved.

  55. Coach pb9617 says:

    DBO: I think Cogliano has a way better chance of covering the bet at 3C than Gagner does at being the 1C, but that’s just my opinion. I also believe that his being moved to the wing is a no-brainer, and if/when the new coach comes in, it will happen. But until then, you have a 20+ goal scorer getting paid less than $1M (cap hit might be a bit higher iirc, but still a bargain).

    “The long-term solution is moving Cogliano to the wing. Given the current depth chart and the coming Riley Nash, Cogliano has no place in the middle. He would, however, be a low-cost alternative to bringing in a $4+ million scorer, given his scoring touch and underliers. As I mentioned, he has one year of development time left, and it’s best to use that on the wing. The organization needs scoring wingers and has a year to turn Cogliano into one of those.”

    I wrote that two weeks ago and it still holds. Andrew Cogliano is the worst faceoff man that the NHL has seen in a decade. It’s imperative that he move to a wing.

  56. mc79hockey says:

    Woodguy: Farther up the chain.

    Huddy?

  57. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: I hope you’re not suggesting Craig Simpson. That would also be unacceptable.

  58. Jonathan Willis says:

    He would be offering the moon to Coffey, Messier, Anderson…wtf ANYONE who actually made a difference back in the day.

    That sounds like a vote for Craig Simpson to me ;)

    I’d be willing to bet that Simpson would make a fine coach with, say, five or six years of work as an assistant.

    The guy we should all be hoping for is an experienced minor league coach or NHL assistant with a good record – Arniel out of Manitoba being one example, MacLean in Detroit being enough.

    I don’t give a crap about whether the new coach has any previous ties to Edmonton or not. I do care that he has a solid track record at every level he’s coached at, and that he has experience.

    One option who would make my short list would be Tom Renney.

  59. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    McKinnon has a piece in the Journal today that would appear to be setting up fans for retention of MacT:

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/MacKinnon+Fire+MacTavish+move+Move+what+whom/1455322/story.html

    Sorry about the long link.

  60. Coach pb9617 says:

    The guy we should all be hoping for is an experienced minor league coach or NHL assistant with a good record – Arniel out of Manitoba being one example, MacLean in Detroit being enough.

    Kevin Dineen and Jack Capuano also fit the bill for experienced minor league coaches. Dave Farrish is an interesting name to consider for assistants.

    Seriously though, let’s just ask Boudreau who the Oilers should hire and go with it.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Farther up the chain than Simpson with less actual coaching experience.

  62. HBomb says:

    Lowetide: Messier?

  63. Coach pb9617 says:

    Chad Moreau! Everyone will get hurt!

    Ohhhhhh, THECAPTAINETHANMOREAU! Player. Coach. Leader. Ambassador.

  64. Jonathan Willis says:

    The piece that FCM links to excellent, even if I disagree with MacKinnon’s argument. He’s certainly right about this:

    Know this, though, the defence-first message coming from a Sutter, or a Ken Hitchcock, or an Andy Murray or a Claude Julien or a Cory Clouston — or any other high-end NHL coach who is actually available — is likely to sound eerily similar to the one preached by MacTavish.

    On a different note, I’m guessing that LT is pointing to Mark Messier, to which I say ‘dear god, no’.

  65. HBomb says:

    That MacKinnon article is fucking terrible. At least that’s my opinion.

    Has it occurred to him that no matter how smart MacT may be, it’s possible that the troops have just stopped listening?

    Time for a new voice. New, meaning fresh….OUTSIDE the Old Boys Club. The media defense of these guys is laughable.

  66. HBomb says:

    JW: You say it’s a good article, and I think it’s terrible. Funny how that works.

    I guess I don’t buy the argument that keeping MacT around is the best option. MacKinnon makes it seems like there’s no other alternatives out there.

    There’s plenty, IF the organization is willing to open up to ideas other than ex-players from the glory days…

  67. Doogie2K says:

    Farther up the chain than Simpson with less actual coaching experience.

    Lowe.

  68. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    I don’t think for a moment that McKinnon’s piece was entirely his own doing.

    I’d wager the long arm of the Oiler’s spin machine played a large role in it.

  69. Jonathan Willis says:

    HBomb: I don’t agree with MacKinnon that the Oilers should stay with MacTavish because the options may not be much better.

    That said, his specific points are on target (IMO) – too often coach firings are just appeasement, and too often fans find that the things they hate about the new coach are the same things they hated about the old coach.

    LT’s said it time and again, and he’s right – MacTavish isn’t an unconventional guy by NHL standards. NHL coaches don’t trust the kids (rightly) they value two-way play over offense-only players (rightly) and they often ride certain trusted veterans more than they should.

    I don’t disagree that MacT should be fired. I do disagree with the vast majority of the fans on the reason for it.

  70. Coach pb9617 says:

    I don’t disagree that MacT should be fired. I do disagree with the vast majority of the fans on the reason for it.

    What is your reason JW?

  71. Phil says:

    Farther up the chain than Simpson with less actual coaching experience.

    LT, that’s genius. Stan Weir will bring us loose women, wild riches, and coach the Oilers to the first 82-0 season!

    Some highlights from the McKinnon article:

    “MacTavish is a first-class coach; the list of his betters is a short one, indeed.”

    Yes. Very few coaches have done better than 3 playoffs in 7 seasons, while sporting a sub .500 record.

    “Know this, though, the defence-first message coming from a Sutter, or a Ken Hitchcock, or an Andy Murray or a Claude Julien or a Cory Clouston — or any other high-end NHL coach who is actually available — is likely to sound eerily similar to the one preached by MacTavish.”

    The Oilers are a defence-first team? Huh. I wonder if anyone’s ever told them that.

  72. HBomb says:

    I don’t disagree that MacT should be fired. I do disagree with the vast majority of the fans on the reason for it.

    This, I agree on.

  73. Jonathan Willis says:

    Coach: David Staples had an outstanding piece on MacTavish in the fall of 2007. Here’s an excerpt:

    Before the playoffs, MacTavish and his assistants set the stage. First, they made a pact that they would keep things positive with the players, pushing them hard to stick to the game plan, but never criticizing them in public.

    He abandoned that this year. He’s abandoned a lot of things that he’s had success with before; he’s had a public double standard for different players and rode veterans when he should have been trying kids out because the vets weren’t getting the job done.

    He’s twisted this team into a pretzel positionally trying to get guys he trusts in key spots (Cole, Pisani, Strudwick, Moreau, Staios, etc.) and doing more damage than he would have if he’d just bit the bullet and used these guys to their actual level of ability.

    I think Craig MacTavish should be fired because he isn’t doing the things that made me admire him as a coach.

  74. spOILer says:

    The true definition of insanity is beleiving that you will get different results if you keep doing the same thing.

    There might not be another piece of trite corporate pop psychology I hate more than this one, and it is unfortunately trotted out more often than the sacred cow from the River Ganges.

    Good thing Michael Jordan didn't know about this BS advice when he was failing 50 times in a row in order to make those buzzer beater jump shots later in his career.

    < /pet peeve >

  75. Kyle says:

    LT, I have never agreed with you more.

  76. mc79hockey says:

    @FCM: I agreed with a lot what MacKinnon had to say in that piece about whether a new coach will be better.

    MacT may will be gone but, IMO, he’s getting sacrificed for organizational failures.

  77. Coach pb9617 says:

    LT hasn’t responded to me. It’s Ethan Moreau. I knew it.

  78. jon k says:

    JW: I’d prefer 3 of those guys over MacT in terms of seeing whether they would have success with the Oilers.

    I think there is some merit to the argument though that this team is not constructed to thrive under these types of coaches. Maybe the solution is to look for a coach that is either versatile enough to go both ways (which I think is rare) or for one who suits the team.

  79. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    mc79hockey said…
    @FCM: I agreed with a lot what MacKinnon had to say in that piece about whether a new coach will be better.

    MacT may will be gone but, IMO, he’s getting sacrificed for organizational failures.

    Agree completely.

    Unfortunately, the individual most responsible is now behind a firewall.

  80. Coach pb9617 says:

    Unfortunately, the individual most responsible is now behind a firewall.

    You mean “fortunately”.

  81. HBomb says:

    Things just don’t get any better in Denver.

    Watch though. Those assholes are having their first lousy season since they went to Colorado from Quebec, and they’ll probably hit the jackpot and end up with John f’n Tavares.

    Stastny/Tavares as the 1/2 punch at center for the Avs will mean the Oilers won’t win another division title for another 22 seasons.

    Please, for the love of God, let him land in Long Island, Atlanta, Tampa or Ottawa. Not Toronto and not Colorado (or anywhere in the west, for that matter), thank you very much.

  82. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Coach pb9617 said…
    Unfortunately, the individual most responsible is now behind a firewall.

    You mean “fortunately”.

    Well it certainly is for him…for the rest of us, not so much.

  83. slipper says:

    Ovechkin has over 600 shot attempts just at even strength this season. Compare that to even the most “elite” of NHL defenseman. There is no comparison. Stupid argument.

    Coachpb: Draft position?

    Columbus has picked in the top ten every season since 2000.

    Chicago: 6 times.

    Edmonton: Once.

  84. HBomb says:

    And Vinny’s on the shelf too.

    There goes two guys that would have otherwise been good possibilities for the World Championships team. Smyth in particular would have probably been gung-ho to go, as he’s a longshot for the Olympic team but could theoretically play his way into consideration.

    Meanwhile, the division that we used to make fun of and complain about (how Detroit got so many free bingo-card spaces, how the Oilers were at a competititve disadvantage to Nashville’s soft schedule) might place ALL it’s teams into the postseason this year if Anaheim flounders. Meanwhile, the ultra-competitive Pacific may only place one. I don’t think anyone predicted that scenario being possible.

  85. bookie says:

    I’ve noticed at times how shallow the depth of comment posts on the internet are at times (not here, but elsewhere) and I thought I would take a stab at really resetting the bar.

    “Craig MacTavish should be fired for the stick call at the end of last game.”

    There, now I have sunk to the levels of the mainstream press…

  86. Woodguy says:

    A couple of gem quotes from McKinnon’s article:

    But the notion that MacTavish’s coaching is the direct and central cause of this sub-par season doesn’t wash.

    A team with gritty, high-energy veterans wondering about gifted but callow youngsters who seemed to be puzzled at criticism levelled their way. Who could blame them?

    Pure drivel.

    Sounds like it was written by MacTavish and Moreau.

  87. Bruce says:

    Dave Tippett will be available soon, I’m guessing.

  88. Bruce says:

    I’m also guessing he lost the room.

  89. Woodguy says:

    I should edit myself, I give Lowe a healthy dose of the blame, so MacTavish doesn’t get all of it.

    If I worked for the Oilers I would blame the fans, but I don’t so I blame the coach and the architect.

  90. Traktor says:

    “Ovechkin has over 600 shot attempts just at even strength this season. Compare that to even the most “elite” of NHL defenseman. There is no comparison. Stupid argument.”

    Nicklas Lidstrom has 175 and he has just as much or more of an impact on a game as Ovechkin.

    Obviously Visnovsky isn’t Lidstrom but Visnovsky has been one of the premier offensive defensemen over the last 3 or 4 years and he’s had no impact on the Edmonton in terms of wins/losses.

  91. Traktor says:

    btw Detroit’s record without Lidstrom in the lineup is around .500

  92. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coachpb: Draft position?

    LT’s statement had nothing to do with draft position.

    “Do me a favor and find me an NHL coach who has given as many at-bats to kids with a better record than MacT since the run to the Stanley. I’ll look forward to it. Should be, two, three pages.”

    That’s all I looked at. There are two teams in the same range as the Oilers. The results:

    There isn’t any single coach that has had as many rookie games as MacTavish because the two teams in the same range have done something the Oilers haven’t: fired their coach.

  93. Mr DeBakey says:

    The McKinnon article:

    McKinnon has never found it in his heart to criticize Lowe’s efforts.
    So a mediocre team isn’t Lowe’s fault.
    Nor is it MacT’s.

    Its Pronger’s!!
    Thank God we burned his kid’s furniture

  94. Coach pb9617 says:

    Sounds like it was written by MacTavish and Moreau.

    Or one of the guys carrying their jocks.

  95. relic says:

    Coachpb: Draft position?

    LT’s statement had nothing to do with draft position.

    but it’s one way to explain the results of your analysis, coaching is another, developmental environment is another. the likely answer is a combination of these and other factors.

  96. Traktor says:

    Wow. Listen to Strudwick’s pregame interview.

  97. Traktor says:

    Company man.

  98. Dennis says:

    Trak: I half-listened to 43′s interview but nothing struck me as noteworthy. What stood out to you?

    BTW, can you get the MacT pregame audio link to work? It’s not working for me.

    HB: I Would very much appreciate a copy of that DVD, fine sir. Let me know if you find it.

    Also, the loss of Smyth makes the Avs even worse and that’s not gonna help the Oil if the Blues last game at Col means anything.

  99. Lowetide says:

    HBomb wins the contest.

  100. Jonathan Willis says:

    Hiring Mark Messier would be a mistake.

    I suppose it would be fun watching folks long for the heady days of MacTavish, but still.

  101. Dennis says:

    JW: losing IS losing.

  102. Mr DeBakey says:

    Its a good thing Hbomb got it when he did

    He was on his third try

    The only Glory Daze Oiler
    I’d be interested in seeing back there is
    Don Jackson

    No one guessed Sammy

  103. Steve says:

    Hiring Mark Messier would be a mistake.

    I don’t know – it might be nice to see a less passive-aggressive style of player management. Instead of alternately benching Penner and putting him on the fourth line, Messier might actually beat the shit out of him.

  104. Traktor says:

    Gene is basically begging Studwick to tell him how much the guys love MacT.

    In addition to that garbage piece by MacKinnon I think it adds up to MacT being back next year and this is just the start of the spin campaign.

    Then Studwick goes off about how he totally loves the system and MacTavish is using him correctly and none of the guys are even thinking of what it would be like without MacT.

    He conveniently covered all bases of criticism in a matter of seconds.

  105. Traktor says:

    I’d take Messier.

    If there’s one thing he can do it’s motivate the troops.

    Save the x’s and o’s for the assistants.

  106. HBomb says:

    RE: Lidstrom. It’s a damn shame that guy has yet to deserve a Hart trophy. Detroit’s going to feel it when he retires, probably after next season.

    Then again, they’ll probably just take his money and sign Luongo to a below-market UFA deal….

  107. mc79hockey says:

    If there’s one thing he can do it’s motivate the troops.

    I wonder what Temujin thinks about that.

  108. HBomb says:

    If they’re going to hire Messier, they best turf Moores and Bucky and bring in the two damned best “technical” assistant coaches they can find.

    Otherwise, that’s going to be a gong show like none other.

  109. Steve says:

    In case I wasn’t clear, I fully understand that there is no reason whatever to believe that Mark Messier is qualified at this point to coach an NHL team, and a fair bit of reason to believe otherwise. But I also have an inexhaustible supply of blind loyalty to the man, so I say hire him. Same reason as I wanted to sign him in 2006.

  110. Traktor says:

    Good one MC.

    Still..You want to play for a guy who you respect and Messier is one of the most respected figures in the game.

  111. Traktor says:

    MacTavish’s pregame is up.

  112. jon k says:

    They are NOT hiring Messier. I will eat my hat and Roloson’s old man jock strap if they do.

    He’s just not a realistic possibility. No coaching experience whatsoever.

  113. Jonathan Willis says:

    I’m not going to be happy until the Oilers hire someone who has had some success somewhere.

    I’d take Matt Thomas over Mark Messier for that reason.

  114. HBomb says:

    jon k: As the guy who is truly in charge of this team (still) says…

    Expect the unexpected.

  115. Coach pb9617 says:

    but it’s one way to explain the results of your analysis, coaching is another, developmental environment is another. the likely answer is a combination of these and other factors.

    That’s another debate. The premise set forth was that the MacTavish is a good coach because no one else coaches kids as much and gets the results. If you’d like to correlate draft position with rookie games and plug it in, be my guest. My first instinct is that you’re going to introduce the Sharks rookie games from lower draft picks into the conversation. Just a hunch though.

  116. Dennis says:

    You know we never did get an explanation of why they never put the old 27-10-83 line back together?

  117. Coach pb9617 says:

    If there’s one thing he can do it’s motivate the troops.

    If you think Quinn is annoying with “THECAPTAIN” now, just you wait…

  118. Phil says:

    If you think the MSM is scared to ask the tough questions now, just wait until they get to interview Messier after a big loss. Every media pass handed out will include a case of Depends.

  119. St George says:

    Things just don’t get any better in Denver.

    Karma, man. Living life with money as your yardstick is ultimately going to lead to nothing good.

  120. pboy says:

    I think hiring Messier to be Head Coach would be a mistake. A professional coach, someone who has made a living doing this, is exactly what we need. Although, the only experience MacT had was 3 years as an assistant coach before he was given the reins, so he wasn’t all that much more qualified than Messier would be. Of course, professional sports is the business that gives the top jobs to people who have zero experience time and time again.

  121. Steve says:

    I think hiring Messier to be Head Coach would be a mistake.

    Oh, it would clearly be a mistake; I just think we should do it anyway.

  122. Sean says:

    No one guessed Huddy. He at least has done a good job here.

  123. Dennis says:

    Not sure if he’ll get to make that call but MacT said that going forward, one of 13 or 89 will have to play wing because the way the Oil are set up now with those guys in the 2-3 pivot holes isn’t working. He said they’ll need more size there.

    Just before that he said that for 13′s game to keep progressing he’d need to either win faceoffs and develop as a centre or he’d have to move to the wing.

  124. godot10 says:

    //Just before that he said that for 13′s game to keep progressing he’d need to either win faceoffs and develop as a centre or he’d have to move to the wing.//

    MacT has made a lot of bad decisions this year (for which he deserves to be let go if the Oilers miss the playoffs), but not messing with Cogliano’s head by obsessing about his faceoff percentage was a GOOD decision.

  125. Coach pb9617 says:

    You know we never did get an explanation of why they never put the old 27-10-83 line back together?

    Good, old-fashioned spite.

    Not sure if he’ll get to make that call but MacT said that going forward, one of 13 or 89 will have to play wing because the way the Oil are set up now with those guys in the 2-3 pivot holes isn’t working. He said they’ll need more size there.

    Just before that he said that for 13′s game to keep progressing he’d need to either win faceoffs and develop as a centre or he’d have to move to the wing.

    And it only took him two years? Hm. Smart guy. I think it’s the glasses.

  126. Coach pb9617 says:

    MacT has made a lot of bad decisions this year (for which he deserves to be let go if the Oilers miss the playoffs), but not messing with Cogliano’s head by obsessing about his faceoff percentage was a GOOD decision.

    Not being able to win faceoffs affects other, larger parts of his game and the way the team is structured and game strategy.

  127. chartleys says:

    You can’t be a developing center without some concern expressed over your inability to take faceoffs..PERIOD.

    That’s just crazy talk. I’m sure Pros realize if they can’t win draws within at least 5% of break even they are not cut out for a career as an NHL center. Even in that range, you better be an offensive powerhouse to make up for the puck possession time lost to retrieval.

  128. godot10 says:

    //Not being able to win faceoffs affects other, larger parts of his game and the way the team is structured and game strategy.//

    Player development sometimes outweighs other factors. MacT has handled Gagner and Cogliano well. Next year, Cogliano knows that he will have to contemplate a future as a RW if his faceoffs don’t improve. it would have damaged his overall development as a player to shatter his self-image of himself as a centre this year. The stats now don’t lie. He won’t be able to blame anyone next year when they move him to wing if his faceoff percentage still sucks.

  129. Cory Klein says:

    Is it possible that MacT’s coaching ability for a year is inversely proportionate to the amount of frame on his glasses?

    He’s going with the half frame this year instead of frameless and it has been miserable.

    This theory makes more sense than some of the coaching decisions this year …that is crazy.

  130. DBO says:

    KLowe behind the bench makes no sense unles he said to Katz: “I built this team, and i can get them to win. Give me a chance to make the playoffs next year, and if it doesn’t work then fire me.”
    From Katz’ point of view it doesn’t cost him any more money since he’s already paying Lowe, and will have to pay MacT next year whether he coaches or not. After the year he can go out and find a new coach if KLowe doesn’t work out.

    Not saying it makes sense and I would also really like to see a professinal coach come in and get the most out of the kids.

  131. bookie says:

    Wow, somewhere way up in the comments, I suggested Mess as coach with a smily face :) . The smiley face was meant to indicate it was a joke. Now apparently, with LT’s encouragment we are having a discussion about this.

    I thought it was a joke? Should I go back and remove my :)?

  132. bookie says:

    Comment by Sellane in todays LA Times (refering to stick incident).

    “The bottom line is that game should be over before that. I feel sorry for MacTavish because at least he tried it. His team didn’t try for two periods.”

    Note the comment about the Oilers effort!

  133. bookie says:

    Maybe we should hire someone smart as coach and some former player like Mess to motivate?

  134. Sean says:

    “The bottom line is that game should be over before that. I feel sorry for MacTavish because at least he tried it. His team didn’t try for two periods.”

    Wow when a future HOF player calling the Oilers on it. Where do you cast the blame, 70% leadership, 30% coaching?

  135. Sean says:

    Er um 70% players and leadership I guess…

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  137. Woodguy says:

    Feng is spot on with his comments as usual.

    Nice work sir.

  138. Traktor says:

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    Yet Andrew Cogliano has more goals.

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    Do you not realize that Penner has sat in the PB this year for Liam Reddox?

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    LED省電又環保,真想買一個來試試,我的公司服務的項目有保健食品代工,素食膠囊”

    True, he’s probably our best defender but it’s not like he made a difference in terms of wins/losses.

  139. mc79hockey says:

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    Trust me, we’ve been arguing with him all year.

  140. Traktor says:

    “士林搬家,萬華搬”

    15.65

  141. mc79hockey says:

    Is that his shooting percentage or his faceoff win percentage?

  142. Smarmy Boss says:

    The solution to the mess is logical.

    Fire Mac-T. Katz commands Lowe to step behind the bench. (To see if the man can actually have any sort of success with the team he assembled.)

    Watch him fail and fire him too.

    Let the barbarians into Rexall to burn the banners and put anyone to the sword who dares mention the glory days.

    Then and only then can the organization be free.

  143. Traktor says:

    That’s Edmonton’s chances of winning tonight.

  144. Sean says:

    Feng stole MacT’s pregame speech

  145. danny says:

    wow, I can’t believe Teemu said that.

    When players from other teams are calling out the effort from your team, somethings not right in dodge.

    Tambo do your job and get them the hell out’

  146. Phil says:

    The most interesting thing in that Teemu LA Times article is –

    apparently Americans don’t use the term “kerfuffle”. Who knew?

  147. jon k says:

    I wouldn’t put much stock into the fact that Teemu called out the team. He always has been a douche bag so it shouldn’t be surprising. Remember in the ’06 series and his bitching after the series was over?

    “The better team didn’t win. Boohoo poor us.”

  148. Phil says:

    fengfk2008 said:

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    That says more about you than it does about 想買.

    “怎麼排比較快上!不告訴你啦”

    Book it!

  149. Bob Arctor says:

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  150. HBomb says:

    As far as I’m concerned, the Anaheim Ducks are a team full of ass-clowns, and Selanne can go in the pile with Perry and Pronger of “guys I’d like to see take a Souray slap-shot in the gut”.

  151. Phil says:

    Sorry to ruin your fun but I couldn’t find any Oilers tidbits in the translation:

    Sure about that? How about this part: “Do you need to lose weight? Exercise it quickly!”

    Sounds like a Penner comment to me.

  152. mc79hockey says:

    apparently Americans don’t use the term “kerfuffle”. Who knew?

    I was shocked with that too. My brother-in-law is American. I’m going to slide the word by him and see how he reacts.

    Also – the Oilers should paint that Selanne quote on the wall in the room.

  153. spOILer says:

    Been super busy at work today, but not busy enough… I still keep hearing a lone trumpet playing “Taps” in me head.

    The GF is going to be pissed later when she finds the flag at half-mast.

    Woulda thought Feng was giving us the lowdown on our coach’s approaching Hari Kiri. Don’t know if this has been asked before, but can Stan Weir coach? That’d put some hair on Rowbert’s sack.

    Sorry, I’m trying to laugh because I’ve been told it’s wrong and embarrassing to cry in front of one’s colleagues, even if it is sports related.

  154. Rod says:

    godot10 said:
    Player development sometimes outweighs other factors. MacT has handled Gagner and Cogliano well. Next year, Cogliano knows that he will have to contemplate a future as a RW if his faceoffs don’t improve. it would have damaged his overall development as a player to shatter his self-image of himself as a centre this year. The stats now don’t lie. He won’t be able to blame anyone next year when they move him to wing if his faceoff percentage still sucks.
    —-
    13′s face-off percentage is the worst in a decade. They’re not just low, or marginally bad. Worst in a decade. What’s the point of waiting to make the move? It’s beyond obvious he can’t win draws, so take that load off his shoulders. That doesn’t mean Cogliano can’t excel in the NHL. However, it does mean he shouldn’t be centre in the NHL. Why assume that would shatter him?

    You think leaving him there is good for his development. I disagree as they’ve only delayed the inevitable move to wing. Which hurts his development as a winger. Instead of half a season or more of experience, he’ll be starting from scratch. If we’re going to be spinning wheels developing him, why not as a winger?

  155. Phil says:

    but can Stan Weir coach? That’d put some hair on Rowbert’s sack

    I suggested this a little earlier today.

    Not putting hair on Rowbert’s sack… the Weir for coach part. I’m suprised that no one’s suggested this before today.

    Suggested Weir as coach, that is. Not putting hair on Rowbert’s sack. That’s sick.

    The sack thing is sick, I mean. Stan Weir for coach is cool.

  156. Doogie2K says:

    Is that his shooting percentage or his faceoff win percentage?

    Both, obviously.

  157. Lowetide says:

    fengfk2008: Keep it clean.

  158. bookie says:

    What’s the point of waiting to make the move? It’s beyond obvious he can’t win draws, so take that load off his shoulders. That doesn’t mean Cogliano can’t excel in the NHL. However, it does mean he shouldn’t be centre in the NHL.

    There must be examples of lines where wingers take the draws and the centerman plays the center position (which is much more about positioning and role durring play), if not, things are not being optimized.

  159. Black Dog says:

    Well at least we all haven’t lost our sense of humour.

    We’re going to need it if they hire Messier.

    MacKinnon’s article fails to note that every team in the league has a whack of kid millionaires now. The lockout killed the chance to put together a club of guys playing for that next contract. Nowadays they all strike it rich immediately. All it takes is a couple of good months (see Nilsson).

    Guys make their big money at 21 or 22 years old. You better figure out a way to motivate them.

    And Teemu is right, sadly enough. Back in November a lot of is were questioning the lack of effort in way too many games. This stretch run has seen game after game like that.

    I’ll say it again. I like MacT but its time for him to go unless you’re going to dump a whole lot of players for ten cents on the dollar. Do you think Raffi would have been a help this year? You’re not going to get anything for Penner or Nilsson or Pouliot or O’Sullivan or whomever else is perceived to be a problem. And you have to replace them.

    Bring in a new coach.

    Now if they are that stupid to bring in Messier or Buchberger then the results will be worse and then the natives will really begin to get restless. I would bet that Mr. Katz has a pretty healthy ego. Being a laughing stock would likely not go over well with him.

  160. Black Dog says:

    off topic – anyone see Reghyr without his helmet these days?

    My goodness.

  161. godot10 says:

    Cogliano is a human being. Psychologically, he would have resisted the move to wing if he didn’t get a fair shot at being a centre, and he would not have progressed as a player. It would have soured him on the organization and the coach. He has no psychological excuse nest year.

  162. Uncle Joe says:

    Is it possible for “Fat Penner” jokes to wear thin? If so will that be reflected on the weight scales? If not is there any hope for any of us? Does god ever weigh in on weight issues?
    These questions keep me awake nights. Pray for me.

  163. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    During the pre-game, Stauffer received a text message from Katz and was told MacT is going nowhere.

    Stauffer asked him if he could quote him and he said yes.

    Now does the McKinnon piece this morning make more sense?

  164. Chris says:

    With the cap we probably do need to ship out dead weight like thecaptainethanmoreau and his heterosexual life partner Staois. That at least frees up some cash, after that if we want to make any significant moves we need to move money ot bring any in.

    As I see it we all need to learn how to say “Hockey Jesus” in Swedish as right now we don’t have a whole lot other than Omark being the Chosen One to suggest we’re that close to escaping mediocrity.

    On the other hand its not unreasonable to suggest that another coach and another system could possibly lead to better results than have been achieved this year. I really have to believe we could have at least another half a dozen wins if MacT was just willing to roll with Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky all year or at least the majority of it.

  165. mc79hockey says:

    During the pre-game, Stauffer received a text message from Katz and was told MacT is going nowhere.

    Well that seems to make it less likely that he’s Batman. Teenaged girl seems more likely.

  166. kris says:

    It may be illogical but I want Messier as coach.

    I mean, for God’s sakes, we’re Oilers fans. We should want Messier for PM, Pope, and King of England. In fact, we should want Messier for everything, like that weird scene in Being John Malkovich where everyone is Malkovich and all they can say is “Malkovich”

    “Messier, messier messier. Messier?”

    “Messier…”

  167. relic says:

    bd was right, Selanne was just calling it like he saw it. He probably felt guilty about his signing the stick crack the other night and took the opportunity to spread the blame around. Hbomb I realize you’re huge fan etc. and you’re pissed about him mocking your team but in reality they don’t come much classier than Selanne.

  168. digger says:

    I can see the season ticket renewals trending upwards with the news that MacT will be coach as long as he wants to be, essentially.

    Of course, there could be some cutesy wordplay going on here.

  169. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Our Mr. Stauffer does have a direct link to the Bat Cave.

  170. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Sportsnet also reporting MacT is staying on.

  171. Black Dog says:

    My good god.

    The dog smells like unwashed ass. We’re talking six months without a bath augmented by rolling in the backyard a few times a day every day.

    Plus that lasagna I fed him the other day is coming back to haunt me.

    I live in a small house and you can smell him in every nook and every cranny. And that’s with the windows open.

    Plus I have no sense of smell because I trained myself not to smell back in university. Lived with a terrific guy with a severe foot odour issue.

    And still my nose is burning.

    A perfect analogy for the Oilers’ year.

    Beer me.

  172. Lowetide says:

    How’s about we start a freaking season with some balance. You know, 2 goalies who can play, a nice group of Dmen, several forwards who shave and someone aside from Horcoff who can win a faceoff.

    If MacT is indeed going nowhere, I see that as an extreme positive. If you’re not going to fire the coach, then you must look elsewhere.

    Perhaps Tambellini can try to put together some balance for October. The Oilers always leave the station with six middle infielders who are punch and Judy and can’t find a centerfielder to save their souls.

    Who does that?

  173. Black Dog says:

    And Primeau is donating his brain to science.

  174. Cory Klein says:

    Heh, BDHS you’re like that sitcom that makes you feel like it could be jokes about your own life.

  175. quain says:

    I can’t believe MacT is staying on, it’s obvious he lost the room months ago. I mean, he doesn’t even smoke the same cigarettes as me!

  176. Lowetide says:

    The other thing of course is that MacT might just resign. Katz and company can talk all they want, but MacT’s comments the other day are pretty telling.

  177. Black Dog says:

    LT – stop questioning the man, er, men, behind the curtain.

    Tito had less job security.

    As for the MacT report if its true I guess that begs two questions.

    1. What does a coach need to do to get fired in this town?

    2. What players are getting shipped out?

    3. When does Moreau get another extension?

  178. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    Lowetide said…
    The other thing of course is that MacT might just resign. Katz and company can talk all they want, but MacT’s comments the other day are pretty telling.

    I would expect Katz has spoken with MacT.

  179. Lucinius says:

    So Katz possibly came on down from up high and guaranteed Mact was returning?

    Blind loyalty does not impress me. Mact needs to go; and not just for the Oilers, but for him as well. Much like Arnott; he needs to go for everyone’s sake. He’d find a job elsewhere easily enough, the Oilers can start to address the systemic cancer with the organization (I can dream, right?) and maybe just have a team built for a system the new coach uses.

    Hell, and maybe Cogliano wouldn’t take the draws.

    I was never a fan of Mact (or Lowe) and shook my head when they were both brought in.

    Mark my words; until the organization finally accepts the fact the Glory Days are dead and gone the team goes nowhere in terms of consistancy and reliability. We may make the odd playoff run, like in ’06, but we’ll never be anything more than a bubble team failing to live up to fans’ expectations.

    Just my opinion, but this unfailing effort to cling to anything and everything from said Glory Days is moronic and cancerous.

    The Oilers have become a bloody aristocratic society (heritage and connections trump all).

    How I long for merit and results to matter more.

  180. Phil says:

    Retirement has not been kind to Keith Primeau. He needs to start cutting out the deep-fried Mars bars, or he’s going to start to resemble a certain Oiler winger.

    Beer me too.

  181. Smarmy Boss says:

    If you guys are not down with my first idea. Can I at least put THE CAPTAIN (TM) to the sword?

  182. Black Dog says:

    cory – no word of a lie I lived with this guy for two years; he was an awesome guy, best roommate ever

    he had an issue with his feet though, years later I was reading the paper and saw what it was, some sort of bacterial issue

    anyways he was a great guy and other then that no issues so I tought myself not to smell

    quite simple actually

    my wife has an acute sense of smell and all she does is complain about how stinky everything is, especially the dog

    by far the most overrated of the five senses if you ask me

    LT – yeah I think he’d quit too, he doesn’t need this, why come back and try and go through it again

    He does not look like he has enjoyed this year

    Take a year off to recharge and resurface in Phoenix in 2010/11 or Winnipeg or wherever the Yotes are then.

  183. Smarmy Boss says:

    No. Mac-T will be the head coach of the Kansas City Blades.

    Book it!

  184. Lowetide says:

    I feel much better about this team moving forward with MacTavish as the coach. The holes in this roster now (no backup goalie, lack of veteran depth on the blue, no center for the dirty work forcing an overworked Horcoff) were 66% obvious all summer and into the fall (after the Stoll deal and the Reasoner flushing).

    A period of transition might just be addressing ALL needs in summer and not just wishing and hoping that 15 kids come through.

    For crying out loud.

  185. Jonathan Willis says:

    If MacTavish does stay it would seem that Penner and Pouliot are done, yes?

  186. Cory Klein says:

    BDHS – Haha that’s too funny. The period of life when roommates are involved is so much more entertaining than any Anthro class could be. I didn’t intend to question your experience, only comment on your excellent ability to put said experience into words.

  187. Lowetide says:

    Jonathan: I’d say Penner, Pouliot, Nilsson up front are all possibly gone, and Strudwick would have to be considered done.

    Rookies for next year might include Deslauriers (the NHL won’t consider him a rookie now but he is), Peckham and maybe Omark.

    7:26 PM, April

  188. PDO says:

    That Backes kid is good.

  189. Cory Klein says:

    LT – Omark over a Brule or Potulny?

  190. Phil says:

    Brule and Potulny may be on the team, but they’re not rookies.

  191. PDO says:

    BTW: Anyone here familiar with employment standards?

    Short story:

    I worked part-time at a place for the past 2 years. 7 hours Saturday, 5 hours Sunday, + commission. They recently closed one of two stores in the city, and told the 3 part time guys that we could rotate Saturday’s to come in and clean the store between the three of us.. so once every 3 Saturday’s.

    A) They’re trying to get us to quit.
    B) They don’t want to pay severance.
    C) I know if they stopped giving us ANY hours, it’d qualify as a firing and they would have to pay severance… but does 7 hours every 3 week, with no commission and a different job title compared to 12 hours a week qualify as firing?

    Phoning the employment board tomorrow, but…

  192. Dennis says:

    Ty: Nice to see a big Twitter-er calling out a guy who likes to text;)

    I’m an admitted night owl who doesn’t sleep a lot but has anyone else noticed all these fucking 7:30 MST start times that are creeping back into vogue? That’s old school late 90′s shit.

    GD: You make some good points about 13 needing to be beaten down before accepting a position change but once again we waste a season on it.

    I think MacT will have more input than ever if he’s too come back and, yes, it’s just as well to get rid of 27 and 78 and 12 for that matter. The 27 instance seems to the most obvious considering how well the top line fared in outscoring when he was on the port side.

    Finally, I had the Blues slotted into 7th place heading into tnight considering three of their last four games were at Dal-Phx-Col but how many times have the Wings fucked us since the first of March?

    Without looking it up it seems like they’ve lost a bunch of points to CBJ-Min-Nsh-Stl.

    Fuck those guys.

  193. Phil says:

    @PDO:

    If you were full time, a situation like this would definitely be constructive dismissal. If they change your job description substantially without your consent, then they are liable to pay you severance, because they are, in effect, firing you. I don’t exactly know how it works for part time employees, though.

  194. Black Dog says:

    Thanks Cory.

    Actually didn’t read it as questioning anything btw. Brain is mush.

    I’m afraid next year is going to bring more of the same. Unbalanced team. Disappointment. Come the spring new acquisitions will be rated as disappointments and moved out along with O’Sullivan. All will find success elsewhere. Fans will rain derision upon Horcoff and Hemsky and Gilbert.

    PP and PK will be disgraceful. Etc etc etc.

    You called it Groundhog Day a couple of months back LT – I would tend to agree.

  195. Jonathan Willis says:

    LT: MacTavish seems to like Strudwick and vice versa; plus he’s old which the coach seems to like ;) Do you really think he won’t be re-signed?

  196. kris says:

    PDO,

    My impression was always that part timers get jack for severance, but it can’t hurt to phone.

  197. Phil says:

    Christ Almighty…

  198. Derek says:

    In the first four minutes the Oilers have put the puck right on the oppositions stick 4x and find themselves down a goal.

    Wierd.

  199. Showerhead says:

    I’ve got a free hour before work. Do I dare ask if anyone has a stream?

  200. Jonathan Willis says:

    Anyone with a feed for tonight’s game?

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