Kytnar Signs

This is Milan Kytnar. The Oilers site made it official a little while ago, he’s been signed and will turn pro in the fall. It’s a three year deal, and he joins Johan Motin and Alexandre Plante as recent prospect signings. If this were 30 years ago we’d call him a good 2-way center and we’d probably be right. Kytnar comes from the 2007 draft, which looks at this early vantage point to be a pretty nice one (Gagner, Plante, Nash, Omark, Kytnar, William the Terrible).

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  1. doritogrande says:

    Thank god. Some defensive responsibility among the Falcons forwards.

    It’ll be interesting to watch him develop. He had a revelation of a season with Saskatoon this year. We knew he could play defensive hockey, but the development of an offensive game makes him a definite player of interest for me.

  2. Jonathan Willis says:

    That ’08 Draft doesn’t look too bad either. Eberle, Motin, Cornet, and Hartikainen are all on track, though we’ll see what Bendfeld does.

  3. Black Dog says:

    Cornet invited to the WJC evaluation camp this summer.

  4. HBomb says:

    Tough to judge a draft class when only 1 or 2 years out.

    What’s the earliest we can start to judge? Five full years?

  5. Showerhead says:

    Tough to judge a draft class when only 1 or 2 years out.With definite answers? Sure. What you can do is set a series of reasonable expectations and count how many players are on track, or to use a Lowtidian phrase, covering the bet on their draft position. Like you say, you’re obviously always more certain the further you go back but IMO it’s not a fruitless exercise to gauge recent progress as well.

  6. godot10 says:

    Stu MacGregor is potentially off to a pretty good start.

    It still means nothing until they show up on the NHL roster though.

  7. Lowetide says:

    5 years is what HF uses, seems like a reasonable point. But they start showing themselves way earlier than that, Cornett is an example of a player who might go a large number of slots earlier in a re-draft.

  8. HBomb says:

    Hull and Jackson re-assigned, Nieuwendyk in as Dallas GM, as per TSN.

    Whoa.

  9. Bruce says:

    It took ’til the 11th hour, but I’m very happy they got this deal done. Kytnar has a long way to go, but he’s done a lot of things right since being plucked in the 5th round two years ago. I’ve seen him play a few times — last summer’s prospects camp, September’s rookie game with the Golden Bears, on TV this season with Slovakia and the Blades — and was consistently impressed with his hockey sense and positional play. 3C potential.

  10. bookie says:

    Why would we call him that if it were 30 years ago? Would we not call him that now? Is that lingo no longer used?

    I think you can judge a draft class the day of the draft, the day after a draft, 5 years later, 10 years later, and a 100 years later providing the data sticks around (though I suspect there would be a certain fuzziness like there is when considering guys like Orr and Howe now). The point is, that you take into account the stage at which you are judging. Accuracy likely increases with time.

  11. Traktor says:

    “Tough to judge a draft class when only 1 or 2 years out.

    What’s the earliest we can start to judge? Five full years?”

    A prospects development is a little like a racing circuit.

    In racing you have 5 minutes to complete 5 laps.

    Hartikainen just did his first lap in 40 seconds.

    If he puts in another season like that next year he’s almost a sure bet to qualify.

    Plante did his first lap in 80 seconds but only took 45 seconds the second time around so he’s back on track.

    Bendfeld took 2 minutes to complete his first lap and it will be close to impossible for him to quality.

    Cornet did his in first lap in 50 seconds. Ahead of the curve and probably would be select earlier in a re-draft like LT mentioned.

    You never know when/if a prospect will reach the finish line but you can definitely come out with a pretty good idea based on if a prospect hit their line in the sand or not (and if not, how far away they were from reaching it).

  12. Asiaoil says:

    Good to get Kytnar in the fold – a few forward prospects with some dimension are needed.

    Also great news about Cornett – I loved the kids brains and battle in TC – he had way way more moxie than I expected and it carried through into his season. Call me crazy but I see a bit of a young Pisani in him.

  13. Lord Bob says:

    Cornet might be a Pisani in career path but not in style of play or skill set, I don’t think.

    Even though he went to the evaluation camp he has to be a big long shot to actually make the team, but still. Somebody in Hockey Canada likes what he’s got.

  14. Mark-Ryan says:

    Cornet’s the type to get flustered and run around under pressure. Tremendous hands, good speed and a surprising amount of grit though. Led a pretty deep (but also injury ravaged) team in scoring. Was very good in the QMJHL playoffs until they ran into the behemoth that was the Drummondville Voltigeurs.

    Kytnar’s more like Pisani. Decent size, strong, the stories on him are great (got bored and asked to go to school, started teaching the other players on the bus rides, etc). 27 goals and was voted the Blades best defensive forwards and they had a few.

    It is early, but the last two drafts look rosey in the late rounds.

  15. HBomb says:

    Traktor: I think continuous evaluation is a good idea (say 1,3,5 and 10 years after a player is drafted).

    The first two of those evaluations have to be taken with a grain of salt though. Hell, certain players (Detroit prospects, most goalies) haven`t made an impact by year five.

    As someone else said, the more time passes, the more accurate the assessment gets.

    2007 looks not too bad 2 year out. Arrows in the right direction. But lots can change. For the good OR the bad.

  16. ian says:

    Not to hi jack the thread but what are the Oilers going to do with all their smurf forwards and the ones looking for jobs?
    We have the current players which appears to be 1 probably 2 too many then we have Eberle and Omark maybe a year from now.
    If top six forwards are the most productive then we have a lot of 5’10′ish players competing for 6 spots.Realistically 4 spots if you concede Hemsky and Horcoff in the top 6

  17. PunjabiOil says:

    Prendergast made a comment in the journal today pertaining to Kytnar

    "This kid will play (in the NHL). He's going to be a fourth-line player, but he'll play""

  18. Ducey says:

    Kyntar = Dave Hunter

  19. Vic Ferrari says:

    Cool stuff with the Brodziak/Horcoff coincidental ice time stuff, Bruce.

    Jordan Staal would seem to be the poster boy for Lowetide's point:

    Before coaching change: Horcoffian +123 in faceoff zones and -147 corsi.

    After coaching change: -8 in faceoff zones (i.e., 8 more in the ofensive end than in the defensive zone) and +105 corsi.

    So a huge chunk of his improvement, which also represents most of the team's improvement … it came because he wasn't starting nearly as many shifts with the puck in a bad place or with a defensive zone faceoff.

    And now off topic a bit:

    Most of that came because Malkin's ZoneShift went from spectacularly bad to reasonable. His shifts were ending a lot better on the whole, even though it cost him in his own counting numbers and underlying numbers.

    MacTavish would say "it's about what you leave on the table" (which is of course completely different from creating more than you surrender).

    One day someone will run the scoring chance data to see who was on the ice 45 seconds (or whatever time) previous to the scoring chance. And I'm sure we'll see that players got better results when they played the shift after Horcoff than when they played behind any other forward. Hemsky and Visnovsky will be up there too, I suspect. A lot of nuance on their games, and honest players to boot.

    Cogliano, Nilsson, Gagner and Brodziak near the bottom I will guess. And Souray the lowest ranking of the top four defenders I suspect.

  20. Dennis says:

    Coming in late just to post that we should nickname this guy Mull as in Mull of Kytnar;)

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