Some Oiler News From Jim Matheson

Some interesting items today from Jim Matheson, including updates on Roloson, Kotalik and a possible package for Heatley.

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  1. Bar Qu says:

    Good to see Matty reads your blog and dug into some questions for you.

    -Grebs nearly signed and delivered
    -No Biron
    -Cogs is safe from the Heatley monster

    And from my perspective, it may not be bad news that Kotalik is not a player of interest. Sure, he was good here, but 3 mill could be put towards Bow-meister and the Oil would not really miss Kotalik's overall game.

  2. PunjabiOil says:

    Interesting that Jay-Bo's agent confirms interest in Western Canada.

    "Baltimore said that while returning to western Canada is a factor for the Edmonton, Alberta, native, he's not limiting himself to that."

  3. PunjabiOil says:

    Odd they don't want Kotalik. If that was the case, why not just keep the 2nd, and pluck Satan off waivers?

  4. Jon says:

    Punjab…the way the announcers went on and on about how good of friends Hemsky and Kotalik were, I have the feeling that picking him up was a favour to keep the teams superstar happy.

    The reason for no interest in Kotalik is interesting because if my assumption is true that means:

    1. Hemsky is now happy (MacT gone?)

    2. Hemsky will be traded (please, no!)

    3. They have told Hemsky help is coming

    Matty's article is not a surprise at all.

    Heatley will be an oiler and as I said earlier it will be for a combination of three pieces:

    Penner/O'sully, Gilbert, 1st 2010 /good prospect

    Roloson will be back but that is a hugh price tag. If that is the price then I hope they do something like this

    1st year 2.5 mill
    2nd year .5 mill
    cap hit of 1.5

    I'm glad Grebs will be signed and that seems like good money.

    Question? Has anyone noticed the lack of talk from the Oilers regarding Smid. I hope they get him signed but I'm starting to worry.

  5. Sean says:

    Offer Smid and O'Sullivan (formerly Cole, formerly Pitkanen, formerly Lupul)? Surely we cant offer the same for Heatley as Pronger ;)

  6. B.C.B. says:

    I think this will be an interesting summer, as I still have no idea what to think about Tambo and what he will do.

    - I really hope that we don't give Roli a raise, it would hurt to much in up grading the forwards. Jon, I think the reduction in a salary can only be by 50% each year, so I would look at 2 million then 1 million for a cap hit of 1.5 million (small enough to hide in the minors). I don't think Roli would take that.

    - the non-talk on Smid, and the conflicting reports on Acid Eater is very concerning to me. I want them both back next year (and hopefully on at least two or three year deals)

  7. Scarlett says:

    The article mentioned Roli getting a raise over his $3.66 mill cap hit last year? What? If they offer him a deal, it'd better be one year only and damn cheap.

  8. Oilman says:

    Roloson made $3mil last season right – so is he looking for a raise from what he made or a raise based on his higher cap hit of $3.66Mil? Either way, there are definitely cheaper options out there

  9. Coach pb9617 says:

    - I really hope that we don't give Roli a raise, it would hurt to much in up grading the forwards.

    If they do, they are damned fools, and it would be just about enough to make me flip to the Blues and buy a McClement sweater.

    Need to prepare a name change for my blog. "Communion With Red" maybe.

  10. Mr DeBakey says:

    That wasn't a good column
    It had a real "Jim, we need 750 words" feel to it

    For the reasons mentioned
    Kotalik at $3?
    Rollie at $3.6+?

    He wrote the Heatley trade item in the wrong order
    He noted that Anaheim only gave up one roster player after suggesting the Oilers would give up at least two.

  11. speeds says:

    I can't believe they would give Roloson a raise, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It would show a lack of understanding concerning their bargaining position with UFA goalies this summer.

  12. Black Dog says:

    The Cogliano news warms my cockles.

    Not so much on the idea of Tom Gilbert going anywhere.

    If its Gilbert then the package better include a salary dump and no more.

    Bryan Murray can eat it if he doesn't like it.

  13. TK10 says:

    So they fritter away a 2nd round pick for Kotalik. Who dreams up these deals anyway? Is there anyone in charge? I don't like the idea of the brain trust going after Heatley. I thought the plan was to get smart hockey players. Heatley reputedly is not so, and he seems to be a petulant problem child. If Penner is part of the deal it should be recognized that the Oil gave up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get him. Plus now they are going to add another 1st and maybe Gilbert? Heatley is not a two way player and if demands another trade after Quinn/Renney light into him then what? Does the brain trust get another Lupul/Smid type package in return? But even of lesser quality because I agree that Heatley is not elite ala Pronger. Scotty Bowman didn't keep trading away draft picks, he stock-piled them.

  14. Oilman says:

    If it's Gilbert it should be along with Penner.

  15. Coach pb9617 says:

    I thought the plan was to get smart hockey players.

    That was Kevin Lowe's plan. We have no idea if that is going to be Tambellini's plan.

    Why is EVERY piece of Oilers news so friggin' ominous?

  16. Sean says:

    If it's Gilbert it should be along with Penner

    Or Staois and/or Moreau

  17. DBO says:

    Would we move Lubo for Jaybo's rights? We may get him anyways, but it clears cap space right away. you can then move gilbert and pieces for heatley. Top 6 looks like:

    Souray – Jaybo
    Greb-Smid
    Staios-Peckham
    Strudwick

    they'll add another Dman for sure (vet 4-6 stay at home type), but that defense has more jam and grit (ala Quinn's desire)

  18. misfit says:

    I'm not at all disapointed that they haven't shown much interest in Kotalik. I'm definately not going to bet the house on a <20 game streatch at the end of the season (Nedved did the exact same thing, if I'm not mistaken).

    To have Kotalik help your team, I think he needs a steady dose of PP time, and he's not getting it unless one of Souray or Visnovsky are moved.

  19. misfit says:

    Moving Visnovsky for Bouwmeester's rights seems like a bit of a waste of an asset to me. Especially if it's been confermed that he wants to sign in the area.

  20. Coach pb9617 says:

    Moving Visnovsky for Bouwmeester's rights seems like a bit of a waste of an asset to me. Especially if it's been confermed that he wants to sign in the area.

    Nilsson for Bouwmeester's rights, Souray for Pavelski.

  21. DBO says:

    the issue with both souray and Vish is their contracts. Who is going to take them? Unless one goes to ottawa, we will be forced to move Gilbert instead. From a cap point of vue dealing Vish for anything is a good move. you are essentially dealing him for Bowmeester, since his cap space allows us to sign Bowmeester to a 12 year $6 mill cap deal (like the Sedins apparently want, same as Zetterberg). It only adds $.4 mill to our cap, and still leaves us the pieces to get Heatley. Swapping Vish, Gilbert, and a pick/prospect or two for Heatley and Bowmeeser improves our team. We need to move Vish if we want Bowmeester, otherwise you can't even contemplate both of these huge players (and deals).

  22. Alice says:

    DBO, if you have to move Vish to make room for J-Bo, you do. But if buddy's looking this way anyhow, then you Trade Vish for other assets, you don't give him away. The fact you need to shuffle him doesn't mean you don't cash in on his asset value. Get the 3C everyone wants. Get some picks. He's a player, for chrissake!

  23. Kish says:

    @Alice: exactly

  24. oilerdago says:

    DBO: Well said. For all who keep wondering why give up anything for the rights to get JayBo (and do a trade before July 1) it's about creating cap space.

    I'd hate to see Gilbert go anywhere, BUT, if you really are going to sign Heatley, methinks that JayBo may also be part of the package and now you really have to move some serious contracts.

    So I'd say Gilbert, Penner, one of Souray or Visnovsky, 2010 pick, prospect could be going out in return for them. And Nilsson could be buried in Springfield too.

    Would hate to see Smid not back after all the growing pains.

  25. Alice says:

    ….Umm, like misfit said.

    And who takes Heatley off our hands when he gets tired of This gig?? No way – and Pronger was on a value contract. Here's hoping we're running away from Murray at full speed.

  26. Alice says:

    El dago:
    Moving Vis for 5 picks gets you your cap space and gets you value too. The rights to JBo we don't need – Vis is not a salary dump, he's a damn good player at reasonable money.

  27. Traktor says:

    Why would San Jose want Souray?

    They just locked up Blake and San Jose's top 4 is arguably better than ours.

    "If Jbo is interested in signing in Edmonton then why waste assets trading for his rights?"

    Because other teams are aware of this and will swoop in before July 1st.

    The exact same thing happened to us with Scott Hartnell.

  28. pboy says:

    I have to agree with Alice. Trading Vish for Bouwmeester's rights doesn't add up. Sign Jay-Bo as a UFA and then trade either Vish or Sheldon for assets.

  29. DBO says:

    Alice: i agree Vish is a valuable asset and we can get jaybo for nothing. i posed the question to see who would do the move to ensure jaybo. I only think they do that move if they have the Heatley deal in place. then it is essentially a salary dump. Your point of getting picks back is a good one. Even if it's a 3rd round pick or a veteran 3rd/4th liner. Actually I would really be happy with jaybo's right's and Greg Campbell. 25 yrs old, 6'0, 200 lbs, 13 goals, 202 hits, 50% faceoff (more then a 100 faceoffs) and is on his entry level deal at $800k for one more year. Now that is a deal i would be happy with.

  30. DBO says:

    that should say more then 1000 faceoffs.

  31. TK10 says:

    Coach: Thanks for the link to your June 7 post,inciteful and informative. It seems we share the same concerns. Is the Oiler management/coaching team akin to the likes of Bill Walsh/Chuck Noll/Ken Holland or is it more like Howdy Doody and Clarabell the Clown? Katz undoubtedly has alot to say about what his team does and I just don't see that Lowe has been shut out the room. I hope they have formulated a well thought-out strategy and it's not going to be helter-skelter anymore. Having regard to all the flux, permutations/combinations and time constraints involving the draft, trades and July 1 free agency does anyone think Katz should hire an uber professional negotiator strategist to deal with contract offers and the like? Or is Katz going to, or should he, rely on the existing brain trust (such as it is)?

  32. godot10 says:

    //- I really hope that we don't give Roli a raise, it would hurt to much in up grading the forwards. Jon, I think the reduction in a salary can only be by 50% each year, so I would look at 2 million then 1 million for a cap hit of 1.5 million (small enough to hide in the minors). I don't think Roli would take that.//

    Apologies in advance. Rant mode ON:

    FOR %^#%^ SAKE PEOPLE! WHATEVER ROLOSON GETS CANNOT BE HIDDEN ANYWHERE EVEN IF HE RETIRES.

    Roloson is simple. One-year contract ONLY! $4 million is fine based on his play last year.

  33. jon k says:

    I don't know if I'd be willing to give Roloson a raise. Stagnant cap hit and actual cash raise to 3.5 million but I think I'd set that as a max. With the cap going down slightly I just don't think it's feasible for the Oilers to continue giving pay raises for the sake of doing so.

    Especially when there is literally no market for a goalie like Roloson.

  34. Gerta Rauss says:

    @Alice

    Interesting quote from Tambo a couple weeks back…i'm paraphrasing "a lot of teams are looking to move salary"

    I can't see you being able to move Vish and his $22.4M worth of contract for picks…ain't gonna happen.You are going to have to take salary back.
    And if you sign J-Bo as a UFA,now you've got his contract,and whatever contract(s) you got back from the Vish deal…so now you have to move MORE contracts…and on and on it goes…

    DBO's instincts were correct-you move a D-man for J-Bo's rights,and force Florida to take another contract off your hands(Nilsson,Moreau etc.) and the money you move out is then given to Bouwmeester.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    …and I agree with Traktor's comment-I doubt J-Bo makes it to July 1.

    Just a hunch.

  36. Alice says:

    It's just Vis can drive the bus – what LT might call a real NHLer. I'd hope he should net Some assets, like what DBO mentions in Campbell.

    You're right though, that the cap turns it into a bit of Whack-A-Mole – everything you push down pops up from another hole.

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    Whack-a-mole…that's great…:)

    Personally,I hope Vish doesn't go anywhere.

  38. Lowetide says:

    THAT is an outstanding description of the cap, Alice. I like Jay Bouwmeester but don't think the Oilers are wise to move Visnovsky for him with the dollar difference (unless I'm wrong Bouwmeester will cost a lot more in terms of cap space).

    I can see this backfiring on EDM in that they improve their D with a more complete player while eating up some of the dollars meant to be allotted to a F.

    I go back to the Pronger deal, which imo was a two part mistake. First, Lupul wasn't as good as some of us thought, and secondly Lowe didn't find enough actual NHL players to replace the loss of Pronger, Spacek and Tarnstrom.

    The dollars left over after Grebs is signed and the G situation is solved MUST go to fixing the situation at F.

  39. MattM says:

    Traktor: SJ just locked up Blake? I hadn't seen that. I think the Souray to SJ thoughts were all, to some degree, based on the premise that Blake was retiring.

  40. Gerta Rauss says:

    LT
    -if the Oilers are to acquire J-Bo I bet they throw one of those Extend-o contracts at him…10+ years that bring the cap down around $6M…so the jump from Vish to J-Bo (shouldn't) be that much…but I see J-Bo's acquisition requiring us to move 2 defenceman simply because of the dollars tied up on the back end.

    I'm off the big tickets items right now…goalie,3C is what we need.

    You're right,small moves,and let Grampa Simpson coach these guys for a year.

  41. Traktor says:

    MattM:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199039-blake-re-signs-with-sharks

    Not sure how legit it is.

    Blake finished 16th in league in defensemen scoring last year, was +15 and played over 21 minutes a game. Probably has a couple years left in him yet.

  42. Coach pb9617 says:

    the issue with both souray and Vish is their contracts. Who is going to take them?

    The only teams with need and room are Dallas, Columbus, San Jose and Atlanta.

  43. DBO says:

    LT: I really think the Oil should go the route of Detroit. Bowmeester at this point seems to want to win, as opposed to dollars. now he'll get his, but i think if you're the Oil brass you sell players on building a winning tradition, ala Detroit, and look for longer term/less cap hit deals. We haven't done anything to suggest we will have a winning tradition, but that is what needs to be sold to players in order to build a team. unfortuantely someone forgot to mention that to horcoff (and yes he's a good player, but that contract is killer).

    On on the goalie situation. i really do not want rollie back, yes he played well (in a contract year we seem to forget). he was average the 2 years prior to his walk year and he played great last year. So did todd Marchant his last year and no way we were giving him a big deal, so why would we ever consider Rollie for $4 mill? It does nothing to address our goalie situation, it locks up way too much this season (effectively killing a big signing/deal for a top LW). go for Anderson at $1.5 mill, play him with JDD and put solid NHLer's around them. a great goalie and a bunch of kids does not a cup contender make.

  44. Coach pb9617 says:

    Coach: Thanks for the link to your June 7 post,inciteful and informative. It seems we share the same concerns. Is the Oiler management/coaching team akin to the likes of Bill Walsh/Chuck Noll/Ken Holland or is it more like Howdy Doody and Clarabell the Clown?

    The latter, I fear. The words from the men in charge, combined with the leaks from the fellas in the know are frightening, to be honest.

    Katz undoubtedly has alot to say about what his team does and I just don't see that Lowe has been shut out the room. I hope they have formulated a well thought-out strategy and it's not going to be helter-skelter anymore. Having regard to all the flux, permutations/combinations and time constraints involving the draft, trades and July 1 free agency does anyone think Katz should hire an uber professional negotiator strategist to deal with contract offers and the like? Or is Katz going to, or should he, rely on the existing brain trust (such as it is)?

    He has Olczyk, but according to Gregor, Olczyk doesn't understand waivers. Stan Weir help us.

  45. Coach pb9617 says:

    Roloson is simple. One-year contract ONLY! $4 million is fine based on his play last year.

    No effing way. Not when you can combine two of Legace, Anderson, Labarbera, Conklin, Gerber for a million less than Roloson at $4,000,000. Roloson at four is nowhere near market, which means that this management crew just might pull it off!

  46. Coach pb9617 says:

    I like Jay Bouwmeester but don't think the Oilers are wise to move Visnovsky for him with the dollar difference (unless I'm wrong Bouwmeester will cost a lot more in terms of cap space).

    11 years, $60 million

    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $7,000,000
    $6,000,000
    $4,000,000
    $3,000,000
    $2,000,000
    $1,000,000
    $1,000,000

    With a 7-year NMC.

  47. uni says:

    He has Olczyk, but according to Gregor, Olczyk doesn't understand waivers. Stan Weir help us.

    I find that I put less and less stock into anything "according to Gregor".

  48. uni says:

    Also for everyone that keeps mentioning "Go for Anderson" I don't think he'll sign for as cheap as 1.5 million. Man had a quality showing last season and is young, lots of teams will go after him one would think…I know that Colorado should at least.

  49. DBO says:

    uni: maybe so about Anderson. So you sign him to 3 years at #2.0 mill or maybe even $2.25 m. Add JDD and our goalies cost $3 mill, instead of the $4 mill they suggest just for Rollie. An extra million in a cap world is a bid deal when you have the holes we have.

  50. Coach pb9617 says:

    Also for everyone that keeps mentioning "Go for Anderson" I don't think he'll sign for as cheap as 1.5 million. Man had a quality showing last season and is young, lots of teams will go after him one would think…I know that Colorado should at least.

    It's not just Anderson.

    There is too much quality available* to pay anyone big goalie dollars. If any goalie lands a big contract this summer, the GM's have brain damage.

    *List does not include UFAs Scott Clemmensen, Kevin Weekes and Jonas Gustavsson

    Rumored to be available via trade are Jaroslav Halak, Christobal Huet, Josh Harding, and Kari Lehtonen.

    If a GM gives any goalie a big deal this summer, they should be fired immediately. If Anderson wants big bucks, pass. I'd have no problems with Legace and Gerber.

  51. Marc says:

    FYI – I emailed Lyle for more information about the Souray/Vish rumours from yesterday. He said he hadn't heard anything specific about the Oilers trying to move them. It was actually just that some of the articles about potential Heatley destinations mentioned that Ottawa was looking for puck moving, then listed them as examples of puck moving D that Ottawa might be interested in.

    So I would hold off on the hara kiri a bit longer. If we're completely honest here, the evidence we have of Tambellini so far – the Garon deal and the Cole deal – is that he got more than I think anyone really expected in all the circumstances. The angst that he'll do something stupid is a bit overblown and probably unwarranted. If he actually does something stupid, then by all means get agitated. But until then, why not just assume that he knows what he's doing and that he won't trade Hemsky, Gagner and our first round pick for Heatley?

  52. Sean says:

    Here's my armchair GM as of today

    - Get the best goalie for 2 million
    - Sign JBo (on Coaches rate)
    - Trade Souray and the 10th to LA for the 5th and get MPS
    - Sign Betts
    - Upgrade Strudwick for another banger defender

    Hope to hell Cogliano and Gagner made significant progress this offseason. Add a vet UFA forward at the deadline.

  53. DBO says:

    Not that I believe Eklund, but if the Lightning are trying to upgrade at D, and hedman is taken by the Isles. Would we consider using Vish or Gilbert + the 10th for the 2nd pick?

  54. raventalon40 says:

    The exact same thing happened to us with Scott Hartnell.

    Scott Hartnell would be the exception. Not all players picked up before July 1 sign. See Mats Sundin, Brian Leetch, Mike Richter.

    Plus, we all know Tambo has a lot of salary to move before any of Grebs/Roli/Kotalik/JBo/Heatley can actually happen.

  55. PDO says:

    This is my half expectation/half arm chair GM attempt, so I can feel cool and stuff.

    First off, Tambs bends Murray over on draft day. Says he'll gladly pick up that $4,000,000 bonus on July 1, but it's gonna cost him.

    Penner + Gilbert + Schremp for Heatley.

    3 assets! Because he's 3/5 the player of Pronger, right?

    Anyway, from there he agree's to move Souray to California. LA wants a mentor for all their young D, so they offer up Bernier and the 5th for Souray and the 10th.

    Nilsson is sent off for a song.

    Bouwmeester is signed to Souray's money on a looooooong term deal.

    Malholtra is signed for $1,500,000, Grebs for $3,250,000, Smid for $1,500,000.

    Roloson for $3,250,000.

    Puts us right near the cap, but gives us:

    Heatley – Horcoff – Hemsky
    POS – Gagner – Cogliano
    Moreau – Malholtra – Pisani
    JFJ – Brodziak – Stortini

    Bouwmeester – Smid
    Visnovsky – Grebeshkov
    Staios – Peckham

    Roloson
    Bernier

    … if you can find a way to deal Staios and get a cheaper replacement who you're more comfortable with in the top 4, even better.

  56. Smarmy Boss says:

    I figured people would be happy after thinking Tambo was offering up guys like Cogs, Gagner, and Vishnovsky for Heatley.

    The silliest nonsense circulating in the Oiler nation is this Lubo for the rights to Bouwmeester. Ridiculous.

  57. Sean says:

    PDO, I like your moves – Malholtra is likely a better pickup than Betts and overall your team is better. Mine leaves the Oilers better positioned to sign Gags and Cogs. IMO this is the summer to clear cap space, next year its going to be hard assuming the cap does indeed go down.

  58. spOILer says:

    I can't think the Ducks are too happy eating Giguere's contract, but he has a no movement clause, IIRC. Nor is that the most tradeable hunk of cap pie, even if he didnt have the NMC.

  59. Jamie says:

    PDO: I don't think LA gives up that fifth pick for Souray, personally. And Bernier too?

  60. PDO says:

    Jamie:

    I have the 10th going back to LA as well.

    So, they're dropping 5 spots and giving up Bernier, but I'd be fine with Quick as well; I just imagined Bernier has less value at this point.

    Maybe we have to add someone like Nash or Petry or Chorney to finish it off, but I still make that move every day of the week and if LA is looking to bring in someone to mentor the D, Souray seems as good a bet as any.

  61. uni says:

    PDO: There is supposedly a large dropoff after the first 2 picks which are acknowledged as being exceptional, then another dropoff after the 2-9 range. 10th would be about 2 tiers down.

    So basically an offer of Souray + 10th + Chorney/Nash/Eberle doesn't do much more than start negotiations with LA.

    If the rumours were true and Tampa wanted Kaberle + Schenn + 7th for the 2nd overall, then your proposed trade is even more unlikely.

  62. MattM says:

    Traktor: Thanks. You're right, Blake certainly looks like he's got a couple years left in him. Retirement thoughts aside, Souray to SJ was definitely based on them not having Blake back next year. I think it's obvious to anyone who cares to look that that's the only way that idea would make sense. If that Bleacher Report thing is accurate, I wonder what they're waiting for?

  63. Black Gold says:

    If LA rly wants a top end Dman to mentor, why'd they move lubo?

    As for SJ, they might have room for Souray. Assuming Blake makes less than his $5M last year and they can move Erhoff ($3.275M) or Vlasic ($3.1M).

    Anaheim could too, depends on what Beauchemin and the Niedermayers do.

  64. Bruce says:

    We're going to move Souray for a bag of pucks, and San Jose is going to move Vlasic to make cap room for him???

  65. Black Gold says:

    I hope not. All I'm saying is if Souray did ask to be moved to one of the California teams, I don't see it being LA is all.

    Personally, I really like what he brings to the Oil and the only way I'd be happy with his departure is if the Oil figure out a why to bring in JBo.

  66. kris says:

    I'm okay with moving Souray for a cheaper, reliable defensive defenseman, but we better get a decent return, even with his cap hit.

    Pros: Cap room, He's old and injury prone. His replacement will likely be as good defensively. Selling High.

    Cons: He's tough, provides some offense even if he was a bit lucky this year. Our PP already sucks.

    I keep imagining what the PP would look like without Souray. I imagine Hemsky thinking 'pass to Souray, pass to Souray, pass to Souray.' Then he looks to the point and not seeing Souray there, he rifles the puck high into the air with the hopes it will find Souray, wherever he might be. And immediately all of the Oilers start to cry.

  67. knighttown says:

    Does it come as a surprise to anyone to learn that Brule has cleared waivers at some point in his past? At least, this is what Gregor is reporting he was told from Rick Olcyzk at ON. Thoughts?

    As usual Rick Olcyzk found some time to get back to us.

    For Brule he in fact cleared waivers once before, so because of that it is his GP that comes into play now.

    Rick called me just as I was returning on air, so I couldn’t get into the other players, but when he returns from Vegas we will.

    I never knew that Brule cleared waivers before, and we didn’t have time to get into the exact specifics, but that was the explanation Rick gave us.

  68. Deano says:

    As i originated the idea of Visnovsky to Fla. let me clear the air. What I proposed is a sign and trade. The sign part is simple:

    Trade a third round pick for JayBo's rights.

    If you sign him there is a conditional trade in place. (Coach – Fla now needs a stud Dman). The Oil have Lubo, Souray and JayBo all under contract. Too expensive.

    We then trade Visnovsky to Fla for their choice of Horton/Weiss + Eminger.

    or

    We then trade Visnovsky+Staois/Moreau for our choice of Weiss/Horton + Eminger.

    The trade is conditional on the Oil having all 3 of Lubo, Souray and JayBo under contract at one time.

    The chance to replace JayBo with Lubo is why we could get JayBo's rights for the third rounder. Fla were prepared to pay JayBo, so Lubo could be an option for them.

    Trading Lubo for any pending UFA's rights is asinine. Use him to get the 3C we need.

  69. Deano says:

    also:

    Based on the goalie market this summer, paying Roli more than $2MM – $2.5MM or more than one year is dumb. He has already been given 3 seasons of 'good soldier' money for the cup run.

  70. Schitzo says:

    Does it come as a surprise to anyone to learn that Brule has cleared waivers at some point in his past? At least, this is what Gregor is reporting he was told from Rick Olcyzk at ON. Thoughts?

    Honestly? I think he's talking about Potulny, not Brule.

  71. mc79hockey says:

    Looking at the CBA, I don't think Olczyk's explanation holds water.

  72. Deano says:

    TSN's on-line player database transaction sections show Potulny has cleared waivers, but does not ever mention waivers for Brule.

  73. HBomb says:

    Looking at it logically, if Brule had hit waivers at some point, we'd have known at the time.

    Because someone would have claimed him.

  74. Tyler says:

    I should add that I have a hard time believing that the team that was afraid to expose JDD to waivers blithely slid Brule out there. It just seems backwards. The fun thing about this is that time will tell. One way or another, we'll find out.

  75. Traktor says:

    Wow.

    Is our management group really that stupid?

    I don't need to read a signle word of the CBA to know Olczyk/Gregor are are living in space because if Brule was indeed placed on waivers then you can bet your ass that he would have been claimed.

  76. knighttown says:

    I completely agree that it is impossible Brule was ever on waivers, which was really my point. Our capologist. Rick Olcyzk said he ways or Gregor misquoted/misunderstood him. This all comes from the argument going on over there about whether or not Brule is waiver eligible…Gregor's been trying to dig up the answer and I believe, will be going to Brule's agent next.

  77. Black Dog says:

    Gregor obviously misunderstood Olyczk; what Rick said was that he likes his Creme Brule "wavy".

    What you do is as you caramelize the sugar you blow gently on it, thus creating a slight ripple or "wave" on the surface of this truly delicious and underrated dessert.

    Gregor misunderstood him becuase at the time he was going through a tunnel – he heard "Brule" and "waive%^@#%&" and too shy to ask for clarification, assumed that he had to have said Gilbert Brule was on waivers.

    No need for concern here. Carry on.

  78. Tyler says:

    Brule's agent should know if he's ever been on waivers. We'll see what Gregor gets from him, although it's more than a little frustrating that the media representative bestowed upon us doesn't seem to understand any of the CBA.

    At least I hope it's him and not the Oilers.

  79. Black Gold says:

    Does winning the King Clancy award up ones trade value? Not to name names.

  80. PDO says:

    Is too much to ask for to have a lead media guy in Edmonton that isn't an idiot?

    I'd say Stauffer was the closest we've had…..

    In well, ever?

    Matheson is fine and all for knowing what the Oilers are planning, but someone to actually put pressure on the organization and have a BASIC understanding of hockey and the CBA is too much?!

    Le Sigh.

  81. Woodguy says:

    I like Jay Bouwmeester but don't think the Oilers are wise to move Visnovsky for him with the dollar difference (unless I'm wrong Bouwmeester will cost a lot more in terms of cap space).

    11 years, $60 million

    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $9,000,000
    $7,000,000
    $6,000,000
    $4,000,000
    $3,000,000
    $2,000,000
    $1,000,000
    $1,000,000

    With a 7-year NMC.

    Since Jbo is only 25 I don't think that will work.

    His tail end of the contract is when he is 37, which isn't old enough to be running out $1M/yr to drop the cap hit, he'll still want real $$$ in those years.

    He will need 85M over 15 years to sign something which only gives him a 5.6M cap hit.

    Do it now before they remove that loop hole from the CBA.

  82. speeds says:

    Tyler, what sense do you make of the "age" definition?

    It seems to me that all three of Brule, Schremp, and Reddox now have to clear waivers, do you read it the same way?

  83. speeds says:

    Woodguy: I agree, except I think your estimate may also turn out to be low. We will see fairly quickly, traditionally a guy like Bouwmeester signs within the first day or two.

    Interesting that in baseball players take their sweet time in deciding where to sign, while in hockey it seems like most notable players are signed 3 or 4 days into July. Any guesses as to why?

  84. Schitzo says:

    Well, as a general principle, a normal skater from the 2004 draft class should need waivers this year.

    (Just as the 2003 class needed waivers last year).

    Some players will be exceptions, especially college kids. Brule absolutely should be this year as well.

  85. Deano says:

    speeds:

    NHL teams tend to build from the top down every summer.

    Teams wait until all of the top talent is placed before they all move down to the next level. Seems like a coordinated dance that is agreeable to both the players and the teams.

    No offer sheet action happens until the UFA's of a similar talent level find homes.

    By mid-August, only role players left.

    Teams can usually move on their own players and former players outside of whatever the other teams are doing.

  86. Bruce says:

    Based on the goalie market this summer, paying Roli more than $2MM – $2.5MM or more than one year is dumb. He has already been given 3 seasons of 'good soldier' money for the cup run.

    Over the past three years Roli has been paid $11,000,000.00 in which time he has delivered the Oilers to the playoffs Zero times.

    Any talk of a raise is asinine.

  87. mc79hockey says:

    I can't believe that you're writing that Bruce, after Stortini was signed to a contract that provided for a raise despite the Oilers not making the playoffs.

  88. PDO says:

    *Grabs popcorn*

    I agree a raise for Roli is asinine, but that's based on the market more than anything…

  89. HBomb says:

    I'd give Bouwmeester 90 million over 15 years and wouldn't blink.

    And BDHS – funny you mention Creme Brulee – I don't know how I screwed up, but I carmelized a good portion of the sugar while making tapioca pudding (another underrated dessert) earlier this week).

    The pudding wasn't ruined, but it has a creme brulee flavor to it. Not bad at all.

    And you guys think I only perform alcohol chemistry around here…ha. Shows what you know!

    That being said, if the Oilers deal Gilbert or, worse yet, Cogliano or Gagner for Heatley, despite the fact I don't mind Heatley as much as some….I'll be experimenting with combinations of Jack Daniels, Crown Royal and Tequila.

  90. Coach pb9617 says:

    He will need 85M over 15 years to sign something which only gives him a 5.6M cap hit.

    Provided Souray can be moved — no problems here.

  91. Ted says:

    Black Dog: That post of yours is truly a subtle gem. I'm still snickering. Would Mr. G even know if his own hair was on fire? –oh wait. (I know I stole that line from someone else who posts here–and yes it is a cheap shot). I just can't get his logic. He should know he can't BS alot of the guys here. He lashes out at Speeds (the gentleman). And then he absolutley insists he's right b/c Olczyk told him so. So there's no concern here fellas! An astute mind would want to make sure that if one was trying to correct an error, it would get it right the second time. Really the Brule-waiver thing is a tempest in a thimble. However this does tend to expose either the intellect and reporting ability of Stauffer's replacement (Bob would never have screwed up twice much less once and if he did he would have admitted his mistake) or the intellect and communication skills of one of the key members of the management team. Or more likely both.

  92. TK10 says:

    Traktor: The Oiler brain trust is only in charge of a $100,000,000++ budget and the hearts and minds of a 1,000,000 fans or so. So don't let these little gaffs/errors in judgement/blunders get you down. Let Mr. Katz deal with it. Or as LT has said there's always Columbus. People is it too early to panic yet? Or is it too late and whatever will be will be?

  93. hunter1909 says:

    I was looking up my cat's ass last night, and came across some Oiler fans, discussing some of the ins and outs of the Quinn interview.

  94. Black Dog says:

    hunter – of course I'll be the first to ask, what were you doing looking up your cat's ass?

    to each his own but they'll be calling the SPCA in on you if you're not careful

  95. Bar Qu says:

    Touche BDHS!

    Just the comment to read with my morning caffeine.

  96. dawgbone says:

    Whoever you sign in net has to be able to carry the mail.

    It makes no sense to have a repeat of 2005-2006 where goaltending almost cost this team a playoff spot.

    Names like Anderson, Gerber, etc… are all well and good, but if they can't cut it as a starter (or a 1A), it doesn't really matter that you saved $1 or $2mil on acquiring them.

    Aside from Washington, all of the top teams in the league had a proven goaltender… and Washington gave up the 3rd most goals of all playoff teams.

    The Oilers don't have a good enough team to cheap out on the goaltending and grab just anyone.

  97. Scott says:

    speeds:

    It could be a 'hard' vs 'soft' salary cap issue.
    If your dollars are limited in a hard fashion, you can't afford to lose out on a superstar because you tied up an extra 200k in a bottom six player. You have to build from the top down. With a soft limit on your dollars, that mistake just costs you a little more money, not the player.

    Whether you should be focusing on the superstars at the expense of value role players is another argument altogether, but it's how the NHL summer traditionally works

  98. Coach pb9617 says:

    Aside from Washington, all of the top teams in the league had a proven goaltender… and Washington gave up the 3rd most goals of all playoff team.

    Actually, none of the top 10 sv pct tenders since the lockout have played for a pennant.

    And there are some real "proven" goaltenders that are just stealing money from their teams.

    I'd rather have a cheap and stable combo that can get hot and make a run. Legace and Labarbera is fine.

  99. Master Lok says:

    I've seen LaBarbera's name mentioned a few times on here. Is he really that good or consistent? I'm dubious…

  100. Deano says:

    dawgbone:

    The case has been made (by Ken Holland not me) that the difference between the the #6 goaltender in the league and the #30 goaltender in the league is not that much in actual saves or wins. Its certainly not worth double the money – $2MM to $4MM.

    So, of the names discussed, who is likely to be in the top 30 for ~$2MM? How about 40 y.o. Dwayne Roloson? How about Biron in September? Can we finagle Harding loose from a division rival?

    I am not a Halak fan after his 2009 World Championships – he sucked at a crucial time in his career.

  101. Bruce says:

    I can't believe that you're writing that Bruce, after Stortini was signed to a contract that provided for a raise despite the Oilers not making the playoffs.

    MC: Nice case of apples and lemons. I know you're just yanking my chain, but there's a pretty large difference between an ongoing contract and an expired one, not to mention between a $3.7 MM first-string goalie and a $0.7 MM fourth-line forward.

    My point is Roloson was paid, and paid well, in 2006. It's not like we're renewing a bargain contract here. Besides getting three years older, what has he done to possibly justify a raise over his already healthy stipend? I just don't see it.

  102. Bruce says:

    I've seen LaBarbera's name mentioned a few times on here. Is he really that good or consistent? I'm dubious

    Masterlok: Good question, just don't ask it around here. LaBarbera is a first-teamer on the Replacement Level All-Star Team of the Oilogosphere:

    G: Jason LaBarbera
    D: Ossi Vaananen
    D: Marek Malik
    LW: Michel Ouellet
    C: Chris Gratton
    RW: Mike Johnson

    I'm sure I've forgotten a bunch more guys that could fill out the second and third teams.

  103. Tyler says:

    My point is Roloson was paid, and paid well, in 2006. It's not like we're renewing a bargain contract here. Besides getting three years older, what has he done to possibly justify a raise over his already healthy stipend? I just don't see it.

    I agree with all of that. I just don't think that the Oilers failure to make the playoffs in that time period is particularly relevant, except insofar as it reflects Roloson's work.

  104. Bruce says:

    I agree with all of that. I just don't think that the Oilers failure to make the playoffs in that time period is particularly relevant, except insofar as it reflects Roloson's work.

    And I agree with that. So let's reflect on Roloson's work in 2007-08:

    Roloson: 15-17-5, 3.05, .901, $3.667 MM
    Garon: 26-18-1, 2.66, .913, $1.100 MM

    Missed playoffs by 3 points

    What's that? A raise, you say?

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