Homestead Watershed?

This is Dominic Moore. He’s among a fairly large list of useful free agents who are still available this summer. The Oilers are in search of a scoring winger but also have a need for someone in the middle up front who can do the finer things (faceoffs, PK, etc).

Moore, Manny Malhotra, Mike Peca, Blair Betts, there are others and they are all available. Moore and Malhotra are likely to get solid paydays, but I’m beginning to wonder if we’re looking at another Homestead winter.

I talked about it here. The pertinent item here is “the NHL is in a similar situation now, as the new CBA continues to see the financial shift move from the 30s to the 20s and from the good ufa’s to the great players no matter their contract or age.”

I think it may happen again this fall. That post was written on August 24, 2007, and before TC that fall they did indeed invite Anson Carter to training camp. With that as a backdrop, how much impact would a call from Tom Renney to one of his old Rangers have in terms of a TC invite or an inexpensive one-way contract? A call from Pat Quinn to players he has coached?

Nothing earth shattering, but something to keep in mind as summer rolls on.

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28 Responses to "Homestead Watershed?"

  1. PDO says:

    The fact that the Oilers need one of those, and might get one of the cheap, is a gift from the hockey gods.

    … and I think we're ignoring this beautiful gift.

    I can't imagine the hockey gods will appreciate such blasphemy come October…

  2. mjsh says:

    So many questions and so few answers. Blair Betts has already said he would like to play for the Oil. Why have they not signed him? Is he good enough to kill penalties and be the third line center or is he an upgrade on Brodziak?
    Is Cogs a third line center, a second line winger or trade bait?

    Where is Heatley going to play next year?
    Does Souray really want to go to California to play?
    Will Renney and Quinn get Penner and Rowbear to play consistantly to their potential?
    Will JFJ play to his potential? Big, great skater. Could he be a top six forward?
    It really looked to me that last year a lot of the players left their "try" at home. I remember the Calgary game in preseason that was such a stinker and it went on from there. Was there a cancer in the room? is it gone?

  3. PunjabiOil says:

    I don't place much faith in Tambellini.

    The guy knew all of last year we were lacking a 3rd line C, and he didn't fix that situation.

    He gave away a very useful, versitile Kyle Broziak for magic beans.

    He paid a 2nd round for Kotalik when Satan was on waivers.

    He overpaid Khabibulin in both term and years. If you read the quotes on MC's site, it looks like no other team was offering him 4 years. All this while maintaining a hardline on Roloson. What's sad is with a lack of teams looking for goaltenders, the price could have been driven down for either Khabibulin or Biron. Foolish Steve.

    Peca, Moore, Malhotra, Betts all available players, and aparently no signs the Oilers are pursuing any of them. We'll go into the season with MAP as the third line center, Brule as 4th, and nobody that can win the faceoff or win defensive zone draws.

    It's the same old story year after year. To be fair Kevin Lowe has created much of his mess, but Steve Tambellini's job requires him to clean it up.

    He isn't.

    In other news, the government of Saskatchewan feels a new domed stadium will revitalize downtown Regina, and generate considerable economic impact:

    http://www.gov.sk.ca/adx/aspx/adxGetMedia.aspx?mediaId=876&PN=Shared

    It's quite sad, actually.

  4. Smarmy Boss says:

    Why is it dumb for the province to have a center that can host all the biggest acts?

    Why do you care anyways?

    Oh and if Tambo was gonna sign Malholtra, Betts, or Moore they probably would have already. Just cut and paste your update and email it to the Oilers office. Maybe they'll read it.

  5. PunjabiOil says:

    Why is it dumb for the province to have a center that can host all the biggest acts?

    That wasn't my premise. My premise was you're seeing the same type of nonsense and non-objectiveness as your saw in the ''arena report'' for Edmonton; studies without an ounce of evidence supporting the assertions.

    As for 'biggest acts' – outdoor/dome concerts are a thing of the past. If such can't be supported in Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal, how on earth would a village of Regina support such? Further, Taylor field has hosted the 1-2 concerts per year – there is negligible incremental impact that could be directly attributed to a domed stadium.

    If the absurd notions in the report are to believed, why aren't other [larger] cities lining up for similar projects? After all, the report seems to imply an astonishing ROI.

  6. doritogrande says:

    As for 'biggest acts' – outdoor/dome concerts are a thing of the past.

    Better tell that to ACDC. Seems every concert in Canada they're doing is an outdoor/dome concert.

    http://www.ticketmaster.ca/search?tm_link=tm_homeA_header_search&q=ACDC

    Even Rock on the Range which played Winnipeg recently had great success in the cold wet weather. If anything, I'd say they're in a resurgence. We haven't had a stadium show for nigh on a decade, and now two in the same summer.

    On LT's musings, It's hard to figure any of those players you mentioned will be available come TC, but the same could have been said for Dan Cleary when he travelled to Detroit on a similar understanding. Hard to really gauge the consensus from GMs this off-season. They aren't all sticking to the same game plan. Some, like Tambellini get slagged on for keeping status quo, and others (Ex: Bob Gainey) get hassled for blowing up their teams.

  7. PDO says:

    Kenny Chesney just played at Commonwealth a couple weeks ago.

    Tim McGraw is playing BVJ in two weeks.

    Aerosmith and ZZ Top are coming to Commonwealth later this Summer.

  8. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    In the next 3 months, BC Place is hosting Aerosmith, ZZ Top, AC/DC and U2.

  9. bookie says:


    That wasn't my premise. My premise was you're seeing the same type of nonsense and non-objectiveness as your saw in the ''arena report'' for Edmonton; studies without an ounce of evidence supporting the assertions.

    Yes, and the opponents are usually so rational about their position. Most are happily living off the tax dollars of earlier generations (Commonwealth, Coliseum, roads, etc) and not wanting to contribute their share to making the City something more than a backwater.

  10. PunjabiOil says:

    Taylor Field is hosting 2 of those artists/bands.

    Hence the term, 'incremental' concerts.

  11. Woodguy says:

    He gave away a very useful, versitile Kyle Broziak for magic beans.

    I do not drink the Oiler Kool-Aid.

    That being said, if you are keeping Kyle Brodziak on your roster to the detriment of seeing if either 78 or 67 can be useful in the NHL, you have a either a drafting problem or an eyesite problem.

    Brodziak's minutes are not tough to duplicate. You probably end up upgrading as well in terms of offense and defence.

    I hate how Brodziak coasted into the defensive zone, terrible back checker. Real bad habit for someone of his skillset.

    And you get to see how 78 or 67 does, which is way more important than anything Brodziak brings in the next few years.

    Magic beans may be a good return.

    After all, he was a 7th, and they turned him into a 4th and 5th (is that right?)

  12. Smarmy Boss says:

    Taylor Field is almost a 100 years old. I know its fashionable to rag on cities who want to upgrade or build new arenas or stadiums but this really isn't one of them.

  13. Woodguy says:

    Oh and if Tambo was gonna sign Malholtra, Betts, or Moore they probably would have already.

    There is no evidence that that.

    If they are going to do something like that, it has to be preceded with some other player movement.

    Try as they might, they haven't landed Moby Heatley.

    They might land something though, the what is left on the roster will dictate the next move.

  14. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    PunjabiOil said…
    Taylor Field is hosting 2 of those artists/bands.

    Hence the term, 'incremental' concerts.

    If doubling the number of concerts is incremental, I guess so.

  15. P-Ow says:

    There's no guarantee that a domed stadium in Regina would bring in all those concerts. They go to Vancouver and Toronto because those are huge cities, not simply because they have domed stadiums. U2, for example, are playing Chicago in Soldier Field (open air) and not playing Montreal (covered).

  16. PunjabiOil says:

    If doubling the number of concerts is incremental, I guess so.

    Bands play in venues where they will generate revenue. There is no evidence Taylor Field is insufficient to host events. The City of Regina's population, on the other than…

    Or what P-OW said.

  17. slipper says:

    In the next 3 months, BC Place is hosting Aerosmith, ZZ Top, AC/DC and U2.

    If you build it, the has beens will come.

  18. PunjabiOil says:

    Taylor Field is almost a 100 years old. I know its fashionable to rag on cities who want to upgrade or build new arenas or stadiums but this really isn't one of them.

    By all means, upgrade or build it.

    Just be straight up about the matter – no need to use faulty numbers/formulas as a supporting consideration. There isn't going to be an economic impact as evidenced by top sports economists – so why argue such? It's a massive public subsidy – inform the general public as such.

  19. bookie says:

    There's no guarantee that a domed stadium in Regina would bring in all those concerts. They go to Vancouver and Toronto because those are huge cities, not simply because they have domed stadiums. U2, for example, are playing Chicago in Soldier Field (open air) and not playing Montreal (covered).

    True, but at least the citizens of the city would not have to sit in crappy weather while enjoying events over the next 40 or so years…

    Just be straight up about the matter – no need to use faulty numbers/formulas as a supporting consideration. There isn't going to be an economic impact as evidenced by top sports economists – so why argue such? It's a massive public subsidy – inform the general public as such.

    Fair enough, except that these types of politics are an exercise in ridiculousness. The need to justify everything in some kind of economic rhetoric is necessary in this strange world we live in.

    Some time around the 1960's the idea of building things in a collective fashion for the good of society and for future generations disappeared (this was a side-effect of the anti-communist movement and of the modernist trends of efficiency). So we see that a major government building built in 1905 looks like this . Whereas a similar building built in the 1960's on the same site looks like this!

    The first is the Alberta Legislature and the second is the Alberta Legislature Annex. They are on the same site and it is the best demonstration of the change in perceptions of public design that I have ever seen.

    They are tearing one of the two of them down…guess which one!

  20. Coach pb9617 says:

    I hate how Brodziak coasted into the defensive zone, terrible back checker. Real bad habit for someone of his skillset.

    He couldn't have done it all that often. He had the highest % of defensive zone faceoffs in the league.

  21. bookie says:

    I hate how Brodziak coasted into the defensive zone, terrible back checker. Real bad habit for someone of his skillset.

    He couldn't have done it all that often. He had the highest % of defensive zone faceoffs in the league.

    Perhaps he was coasting because play was stopped and MacT was, once again, sending him out to take the defensive zone faceoff.

  22. Coach pb9617 says:

    Perhaps he was coasting because play was stopped and MacT was, once again, sending him out to take the defensive zone faceoff.

    And that was only when the paddles couldn't zap some fight into Horcoff's limp body on the bench.

  23. bookie says:

    And that was only when the paddles couldn't zap some fight into Horcoff's limp body on the bench.

    Thanks coach…I tried to think of something witty to say about Horcoff on the bench in that comment, but its been a long day and I am tired so I just gave up trying.

  24. DanMan says:

    On Brodziak coasting into the defensive zone:

    I'm not a Brodziak fan, but I'd rather have him coasting than water-skiing like "Minor Penalty" Moreau.

  25. NBOilerFan says:

    How many of these UFA's do you think will still be available come TC? Is there anyone that is going to be a difference maker that is available? Or is this more about driving down asking prices?

    Off topic – But what do you make of this Sanford signing in Montreal? Does this mean that Halak might now be available?

  26. Promethian says:

    Before we question Oiler management for not filling important holes in the lineup, can we really assume that said players even want to sign in Edmonton?

    Not just high-profile players snub certain locations.

    Maybe Malhotra and Moore for instance are NOT in fact at all interested in playing for the Oilers. Apparently Betts is, but do you replace Poo or Brule with him?

    I'm not sure Tambellini's doing the wrong thing at all, just reacting to the market and his options in it.

    People criticize managements for not signing players (when maybe there'e no one to sign anyway), and they criticize them for signing players (because they're too expensive).

    Puts a lot more emphasis on "home-grown", doesn't it?

  27. LittleFury says:

    In the next 3 months, BC Place is hosting Aerosmith, ZZ Top, AC/DC and U2.

    The most convincing argument against outdoor stadiums yet.

  28. SK Oiler Fan says:

    If the Oilers are still in win now mode:
    What are the chances that Pou or Brule become significantly more valuable players than Malhotra, Moore, Betts, or Marcel Goc? Cut bait with both or send them to Springfield. Then replace them with two of the cheapest above names. We at least know what they are. Moves the median age forward for a bit more $.

    If Heatlygate is indeed over maybe the Oilers are back into development mode. Even though management will never admit it.

    I'm fine with at least another year of development which means giving Pou and Brule some at bats. At the very least the Oilers increase the value of some of their assets. They have too many players that have zero or negative value in the eyes of other teams.

    Making good trades must be tough when every conversation with Tambs starts with: give us Cogs, Gags, Grebs, Hemsky, or Gilbert then we'll talk. Not many others on this team are desired by other teams if you consider their performance last year and their salaries for next year.

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