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  1. NBOilerFan says:

    This league needs more role models like Joe.

  2. hunter1909 says:

    Sakic's old school. I remember hearing that he wasn't interested in Lindros on the Nords either, given the fact Lindros was being a whiny diva.

    The Nords weren't even a playoff team at the time.

  3. Krankor says:

    One of my favourite quotes about Joe Sakic:

    Joe Sakic, floating into the slot on a fucking cloud and sifting in a shot that looked so natural you would swear to god he’s actually the last living descendant of an ancient tribe of people who communicated solely in wrist shots

  4. HBomb says:

    My absolute all time favorite player. He'll be missed.

    Best player to ever wear the number 19? Sakic vs. Yzerman, who was better?

  5. uni says:

    The only positive of Sakic retiring is now moot.

    I was going to say something along the lines of "About f-ing time!" in the hopes that the Oilers could gain some ground in the NW with both Forsberg and now Sakic gone.

    Colorado had gall to put 2 sieves in net and pile on injuries to tank the season and draft a replacement in Matt Duchene though. If that kid pans out, the Avs once again have a 1-2 punch down the middle with Duchene and Stastny…also don't forget Wolski on the 3rd line popping in 40-60 points and looking like he just might be a solid 2nd line centre one day in his own right.

    With this backdrop, Sakic retiring can only be a negative thing =(.

  6. RyanB says:

    Sakic was an Oiler killer but I could never help but the love the way he played. He was just an absolute class act and of course that wrist shot was just sick.

    @HBomb – I'd say Yzerman was the best 19 but only by a hair.

  7. HBomb says:

    RyanB: actually, I'd go the other way with it and argue Sakic was marginally better. He's got Yzerman beat in terms of points per game, 1.19 to 1.16

    He also had some pretty high-scoring seasons towards the end of his career, while Yzerman's numbers were on a steady decline towards the end. Prior to the last two injury-riddled seasons, Sakic was as elite as they come.

  8. Russ says:

    Had the pleasure to break brad with Burnaby Joe one summer at a Canada Day party here in Denver. We sat and bullsitted about 80's era CFL football for about 20 minutes…Aebisher was with him and he had no idea what the hell we were talking about…
    Sakic made going to avs game not against the oilers bearable…Stastny has some work to do to live up to that bar for me.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    "Colorado had gall to put 2 sieves in net and pile on injuries to tank the season and draft a replacement in Matt Duchene though."

    Sounds like solid team building management strategy to me.

  10. Phil says:

    @Russ,

    What did brad ever do to you to deserve that kind of violence?

  11. Coach pb9617 says:

    What a player – the league will miss him. So will my wife. She's convinced that he's Jakob Dylan's lost-lost twin brother.

  12. Coach pb9617 says:

    Sakic was the better 19. Yzerman was great, but, honestly, I never feared him as a fan. When Sakic had the puck, I always had a fear that it was going in the net.

  13. doritogrande says:

    Anyone else expect snowblower sales in the greater Denver area to tank for the next half-decade?

    In all seriousness, he'd lost a step and I don't think he could handle the toughest assignments anymore. He still had his perrennial 30-goal wrister, but I'm glad he retired now rather than try and plod out season after season of ineffective hockey a'la Messier and Lindros. Surely one of the greatest Canadians to line up down the middle. H-bomb I'm with you, I think I'd take Sakic over Yzerman.

  14. Masamax says:

    Sakic has always been one of my favourite players, but it is probably for the best he retires now. Colorado is in full rebuild mode, and he gave his time to Stasny for tutoring. Time for Joe to move on.

    Of course, in this case, "move on" probably means he'll start teaching all the Colorado players full time on how to beat the Oilers. *sigh*

  15. Oilman says:

    But Sakic didn't always wear #19 right – I'm pretty sure I remember him with #88 for a while in QC?

  16. Scott says:

    100% class. the nhl will sorely miss him. Joe i hope you stay in hockey in another role. we need you in the game for a lot of years to come.

  17. Promethian says:

    Does anybody remember his virtuoso performance in the Avs '96 cup run?

    Fantastic.

    Scoring HUGE goals.

    What a champ.

  18. oil dude says:

    My favorite Sakic memory will always be his CLUTCH 2 goal performance in the 2002 gold medal game. International tournaments are the only time I ever had the pleasure of cheering for him.

  19. Smarmy Boss says:

    Sakic was at his peak the best hockey player in the world. Fantastic junior player too. Check out this link and look at that team photo for a young #19

    http://www.scbroncos.com/History/4_Broncos_Memorial/

  20. misfit says:

    Easily my favorite player never to wear the Oil drop. I also think it's a shame he never won a Selke, as he definately deserved it on more than one occasion.

  21. Russ says:

    oops bad typing break bread…
    and bullshitted…

  22. spOILer says:

    Class player, wonderful talent, and I'd probably take Burnaby joe over Cranbrook Steve too.

    I'd rank the modern day clutch captains Messier, Sakic, Yzerman in that order and am grateful to have seen all three play.

    The National Team retired #19 for Yzerman, what do they do for Sakic (did he wear 91 when they were both on the team, I can't remember)?

    Now that he's retired, does he write the tell-all memoir about his Bronco days? Assuming he can type with snowplow fingers.

  23. raventalon40 says:

    Joe Sakic, floating into the slot on a fucking cloud and sifting in a shot that looked so natural you would swear to god he’s actually the last living descendant of an ancient tribe of people who communicated solely in wrist shots

    That quote is gold. I hope that makes its way to Burnaby Joe.

  24. PDO says:

    2002 SLC, Gold Medal game.

    Best individual performance I've ever seen.

    Beauty player.

  25. Lord Bob says:

    Mats Sundin. Owen Nolan. Adam Foote.

    To my knowledge, the last three Quebec Nordiques. An era spirals slowly to a close.

  26. Steve says:

    Joe Sakic, floating into the slot on a fucking cloud and sifting in a shot that looked so natural you would swear to god he’s actually the last living descendant of an ancient tribe of people who communicated solely in wrist shots

    You just sort of killed the moment, since I'm now sadder about the retirement of the Covered in Oil guys than I am about Sakic's.

  27. doritogrande says:

    LB:

    I'm not sure if they're worthy of consideration, but both Milan Hejduk and Wade Belak were drafted as Nordiques, not Avs.

    Martin Gelinas may still come back across the pond too.

    Other than those, a brief glance at hockeydb suggests you're right. And then there were three.

    Now find my remaining Jets.

  28. Coach pb9617 says:

    Kotalik to the Rags.

  29. Ender says:

    Forget "one of." I used to be a Habs and Oilers fan, and now I'm just an Oilers fan. I've hated playing against him way too many times in a year since he entered the league, but I'll say this:

    When other kids were Gretzky or Messier playing a pickup game, I was Sakic.

    Hands down my favorite player of all time.

    Easy.

  30. Steve says:

    Kotalik to the Rags.

    Source? Money?

  31. Lord Bob says:

    Being drafted by Quebec no more makes you a Nord than having shaken Kevin Lowe's hand makes me an Oiler.

    Also, if Kotalik is going to the Rangers, he has apparently consciously decided to follow Petr Nedved's exact path to obscurity and retirement. I wish him all the luck in the world, particularly when we grab him off waivers in a couple of seasons and he gets something like four points.

  32. doritogrande says:

    Sad story. I told my dad Sakic retired and he responds with:

    - Well, now the number of NHL players I know is down to about three.

    He listed Lanny MacDonald as one of the three.

  33. mattwatt says:

    Burnaby Joe. Got to love him.

    Back when my dad use to watch hockey with me, he would always rave about how good of a player that "Joe Sakic is." My dad always had a keen eye for the game, and for him to give praise to someone like that he must have been damn good.

    As I grew older, I realized just how right my dad was. Burnaby Joe, you were not damn good. You were great.

  34. PDO says:

    Boynton signs in Anaheim.

    Not sure if he can still play.

    No dollars out yet for Kotalik…

  35. bookie says:

    I think that if the Oilers continue to wait on the sidelines hoping for Dany Heatley, they may end up having to sign Lanny MacDonald to fill the role of a tough forward….

    What were Lanny's stats like last year?

  36. PunjabiOil says:

    It's too bad Kotalik wasn't signed.

    Tambellini beter damn well be confident that Heatley will still consider the Oilers.

    Otherwise, this team will still continue having trouble scoring goals, and have lost a very serviceable Kyle Brodziak. Likely a decline in the goaltending department as well.

    It's quite sad, actually.

  37. pboy says:

    What makes you so certain that Khabibulin will not be able to outperform Roloson this season?

  38. bookie says:

    What makes you so certain that Khabibulin will not be able to outperform Roloson this season?

    I think that Khabibulin will be able to outperform Roloson this season.

    Roloson was good enough, but not fantastic.

    Sad to see Kotalik lost if it is true.

  39. Lord Bob says:

    The fact that since the lockout, Roloson has been a superior goaltender to Khabibulin in every individual measurement, most likely.

    Unless the Oilers were right all along and Deslauriers is now ready to round into Vezina-winning form.

  40. PunjabiOil says:

    What makes you so certain that Khabibulin will not be able to outperform Roloson this season?

    Historical save percentage since lockout. Injuries are also of concern. Note that Nikoli 'West Edmonton Wall' Khabibulin played 42 games last year – can he handle 65+ games in a year?

    Roloson could also play for long stretches of the season without adverse consequences.

    Tambellini/Lowe/Prendergast continue having multiple oilgasms over JDD, who is likely to cause the Oilers points in the standings.

    The 2009-2010 season will be decided on whether Heatley waives his NMC to Edmonton.

  41. Lord Bob says:

    The 2009-2010 season will be decided on whether Heatley waives his NMC to Edmonton.

    As will every season up until I believe 2014 when that albatross of a contract for a malcontent who doesn't want to play here comes off the books.

    Forget adding $7.5 million, we should be trying to shed salary. Forget magic bullets, we should be trying to reload and get as many NHL players as we can. I've been toying with the thought of trading Hemsky just because with that great contract you should be able to get a sweet haul of B/B+-level players from a team looking to make a move.

  42. hunter1909 says:

    "Roloson could also play for long stretches of the season without adverse consequences."

    What season was that? Because Roloson in the first half of last season was about as dependable as a George Laraque breakaway goal.

    Of course once he got 367 straight games his sinovial fluids started working and he was fine.

  43. bookie says:

    I've been toying with the thought of trading Hemsky just because with that great contract you should be able to get a sweet haul of B/B+-level players from a team looking to make a move.

    On a similar vein of thought, I have been toying with sticking my elbow in a meat grinder.

  44. kris says:

    Mattwatt just made me feel old.

    Yeah, my grampa used to love old man Sakic, back in the days when hockey was 5×5 and the mole people didn't have a team.

  45. bookie says:

    I hear that the Mole People are just above Edmonton on Heatley's list of places he is willing to go…

  46. Psyche says:

    Kotalik signed with the Rangers:
    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=284213

  47. Steve says:

    $3 million per year for three years. At that price, I'd say we're better off without him.

  48. LittleFury says:

    It's too bad Kotalik wasn't signed.

    Tambellini beter damn well be confident that Heatley will still consider the Oilers.

    Otherwise, this team will still continue having trouble scoring goals, and have lost a very serviceable Kyle Brodziak. Likely a decline in the goaltending department as well.

    PJO: Kotalik was as superfluous as they come. Penner's a better option for 1LW and O'Sullivan is already tracking ahead of the Czech in offensive production. He was a waste of a second rounder is all.

  49. PDO says:

    Good non-signing at that price.

  50. LittleFury says:

    Three years at $3M per, according to TSN. Not sorry we passed at all.

  51. Lord Bob says:

    On a similar vein of thought, I have been toying with sticking my elbow in a meat grinder.

    Sometimes, I really do miss the Oilogosophere. Good line!

    $3 million a year for Kotalik? At this stage of the game, could you not upgrade to Tanguay for around $3.5 million? Would that deal not get signed?

    Forget Heatley. Tanguay – Horcoff – Hemsky, Penner – Gagner – O'Sullivan. Doesn't look great, but that top line outscores just about anyone and the second line treads water.

  52. bookie says:

    $3 million per year for three years. At that price, I'd say we're better off without him.

    I would say that it is most likley an overpay, but he could rise to the occasion and be worth more.

  53. Oilmaniac says:

    Kotalik signing:

    Too bad.. I really liked the scenario JW put out there on ON.. (if heatly came to Ed, then Kotalik would be a decently (sized) addition to a second line of gags and POS)..

    anyways, he seemed like a good complementary player to gags in theory… alas… another case of insulting a player with a low ball offer when they wanted to stay (we'll see how much he went for soon enough) and see the available options fizzling (while nothing happens)… Fk.. this offseason started with so much promise…

  54. LittleFury says:

    Forget Heatley. Tanguay – Horcoff – Hemsky, Penner – Gagner – O'Sullivan. Doesn't look great, but that top line outscores just about anyone and the second line treads water.

    Switch Tanguay and Penner and baby you got a stew goin'.

  55. PunjabiOil says:

    If that's the price, then the Oilers made the right choice.

  56. bookie says:

    If that's the price, then the Oilers made the right choice.

    I pretty much agree, but the team is looking pretty thin right now. Not sure who we are going to ice this fall and am even less sure if we see Heatley come here in exchange for 3 players.

    Maybe Robbie Schre'emp (I now pronounce it much like Tom Hanks with Gu'ump) will rise up and lead us on to victory!

  57. ian says:

    At 3mil I think Kotalik is too rich for the Oilers blood right now.
    I think the Oilers have to be looking at a trade to bolster the team as we appear to be sitting in the bleachers.
    Someone early mentioned a deal that involved keeping out top 4 D intact I like that idea if possible, this puts the spotlight on to the current [small] forwards and parts

  58. Traktor says:

    I like my dirt more than most but Sakic truly personified class. They don't make 'em like that any more.

    As for Kotalik, he scored 7 goals in 19 games for us which translates to 30 goals every 82 games.

    Kotalik has scored 121 goals in 445 games which translates to 22 goals every 82 games thus gar in his career.

    Fact: There isn't one player on the Edmonton Oilers who has a better career goal per game rate than Kotalik.

    Tambellini sucks.

  59. PunjabiOil says:

    Would Rosie (Grier) be interested in coming back to the land of milk and honey?

  60. PDO says:

    Traktor:

    Way OT.

    Think I'm crazy for thinking Alves at +262 is insane value? I love GSP, but…

  61. jon k says:

    I actually think that the top two lines of Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky, Tanguay-Gagner-O'Sullivan look much better.

    Tanguay has shown repeatedly over the course of his career that he cannot handle the tough sledding that comes with being on a top line.

    Further to that I think he would complement Gagner and O'Sullivan quite nicely.

  62. Alice says:

    /What were Lanny's stats like last year?/

    +/- was Even, I think.

    Not sure about his golf.

  63. Oilmaniac says:

    The JW justification for 2->3M (perhaps 3 is too much at the higher end of the spectrum but..) was that its Kotalik or Nilsson (at 2M)..

    So we are looking to upgrade the second line it would have been at 1M or less.. easier to take on that 3M, no?!..

    Perhaps the deal could have been done for less than 3M (?speculation of course?) if the first offer from the oil wasnt a low ball, 2M (again speculation)…

  64. oilerdago says:

    I could have lived w/Kotalik coming back but not at that price.

    Again, the bigger issues w/this team still remain:

    - Redundancy of small forwards
    - Lack of a 3C
    - Lack of a #1LW

    Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. But w/the exception of behind the bench, I don't think Tambellini has done a thing so far to make Oil fans get excited about the future of this team (draft aside).

    Is this year going to be about getting the most out of the dregs?

  65. Smytty777 says:

    No thanks to Kotalik at $3M per. Glad the Oilers passed.

    I don't really understand why there is such a delay in signing a 3C, it needs to happen regardless of how the Heatley fiasco winds up. Get it done already.

  66. Oilmaniac says:

    Fact: There isn't one player on the Edmonton Oilers who has a better career goal per game rate than Kotalik.

    C'mon Traktor.. your bringing me down.. thats one nasty, yet totally not unexpected, fact…

  67. Traktor says:

    It's nice value but only for a little sprinkle.

    GSP is just too good mentally.

  68. Oilmaniac says:

    Kotalik > Nilsson + 1M in cap…
    anyways,.. decision made…

    And to echo the rest, still no 3C,.. frick…

  69. Bruce says:

    For better or worse that $3 MM per has been invested in Patrick O'Sullivan. Taking that contract at trade deadline limited the options in free agent season, ironically at the expense of the other scoring winger acquired on the same day. Indeed it was an extension of the same deal, as the second rounder used to acquire Kotalik came with POS. Easy come, easy going, going, gone.

    Incidentally Eric Cole signed for virtually the same amount in Carolina (I think his cap hit is $25K less than POS for the same two years).

    Can't say who is the best or worst of those three options, just that we could only afford one of them, and wound up with the smallish softish skill guy yet again.

  70. Alice says:

    /- Lack of a #1LW/

    ?
    I think 1LW is Penner until it's not
    No MacT – the only guy who hates him anymore is Terry Jones. Which is why I hope he sticks around and pots a hat-trick this season and the real donut-killer gets an interview.

    In terms of 3C is it crazy to wait and see what falls through other teams at TC? If we're hoping for a bargain it sounds like a better place to hunt than where they're taking the Kotaliks at 3/3

  71. spOILer says:

    I guess my $3M per yr assumption wasn't too far off. Just sayin'. ;o)

  72. Lord Bob says:

    Wow, I haven't been around much lately I know, but where'd all the resentment for Bobby Nilsson come from? The guy didn't get sixty points playing with Ethan Moreau and Francois Boot for four and a half minutes a night, and all of a sudden he's worse than herpes?

  73. Traktor says:

    I'll predict right now that the 3 million dollar Kotalik will score more goals Horcoff or Hemsky next year.

  74. Bruce says:

    Alice: Yeah, you'd think Jonesy would have a little sympathy for supersized Dustin. Instead he launches a smear campaign worthy of Roy Cohn. Self-loathing?

  75. oilerdago says:

    //I think 1LW is Penner until it's not//

    I would agree except that Tambellini does not want to let that trade go.

    So what are we selling this for this season?

  76. bookie says:

    Wow, I haven't been around much lately I know, but where'd all the resentment for Bobby Nilsson come from? The guy didn't get sixty points playing with Ethan Moreau and Francois Boot for four and a half minutes a night, and all of a sudden he's worse than herpes?

    I think everybody caught MacTnuttiness and we are beginning to cannibalize one another around here much like the Oiler dressing room last season.

  77. Sean says:

    I wasn't overly impressed with Kotalik and glad they passed at the price.

    Tambellini isn't going to get fair value for the smurfs unless we're talking deals involving Gags or Cogs. This team has no flexibility with cap or contracts and there are no UFAs who want to play here. Unless Heatley waives the NTC I'm not expecting much. Maybe adding a 3C or 4C but our only real hope is that Gags or Cogs break out. Which may be our best bet.

  78. Alice says:

    When he's not, Heatley is. 1LW is pretty settled. Heatley coming moves some Other deck chairs tho.

  79. Oilmaniac says:

    Lord Bob, nils is fourth in line as far as smurfs go.. where does he fit in…? agreed he was put in craptastic situ's last year, but the question remains.. where does he fit in…

    Traktor: stop putting out cigarettes on my eye.. not liking the taste of pain today…

  80. PDO says:

    Traktor:

    Pretty much where I'm at on that fight. Henderson is too juicy, but I'm all over Frank Mir. The GSP/Alves fight reminds me a bit of Cote/Silva. GSP should win… but there's no way Alves isn't worth the unit because the line is just too far off.

    And it's not how many goals Kotalik scores versus Horcoff or Hemsky that we should be worried about…

    It's how many he scores versus O'Sullivan.

    I'm not so sure that's not a coinflip depending on who hits more iron.

  81. Traktor says:

    Oilmaniac: The good news is I heard that JBo wants to come home and play for the Oilers. It's not all bad.

  82. BBZC says:

    PJO- I had just posted about Grier/Kotalik over at HF boards.

    I would say it is a wash at EV strength. One is a high end PP point man and the other a high end Penalty Killer.

    The only difference is one is going to make twice as much as the other. I know who would be a better fit for the Oilers.

    Sign Grier 2 years 3.5 mill total.

    RW depth Chart

    1. Hemsky
    2. Pisani
    3. Grier
    4. Zorg

  83. bookie says:

    Isn't Grier having injury problems?

  84. Smytty777 says:

    BBZC: I would prefer Moen to Grier, fill him in on 3LW and on the PK for Moreau. I would think he is available for much less than $2M. Add toughness, check, improve penalty kill, check. Move Moreau and add cap space, check.

  85. ian says:

    I am not too keen on Grier, I think the Oilers will trade to fill the 3rd line center position but if they did go for a FA other than the much talked about Malhottra or Betts what about Robert Lang
    Played 50
    Goals 18
    Assists 21
    Points 39
    He is 38 so maybe too old and too slow [Like Jagr?]but he did put up decent points, I wonder how much $ it would take?

  86. spOILer says:

    Does anyone really think the Oil are going to make a move for 3C while Cogs remains on the roster? Seems pretty unlikely.

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