We’re Not the Jet Set
This is Glen Sather. If you’re an Oiler fan, this is a day to turn back the clock and cheer like hell for “Slats.” Dany Heatley’s delay on giving the go-ahead on a trade that sees Edmonton loading up on a 1line L gives Sather and the Rangers a window of opportunity.
As I understand it, Heatley would prefer to play in New York City. I think it’s a good move for Heatley, he belongs with the Rangers and hopefully will join a long list of men who have carved out careers elsewhere before playing on Broadway.
In my lifetime, Bernie Geoffrion, Tim Horton, Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, Derek Sanderson, Barry Beck, Marcel Dionne, Pierre Larouche, John Ogrodnick, Mark Messier, Luc Robitaille, Kevin Lowe, Glenn Anderson, Esa Tikkanen, Glenn Anderson, Wayne Gretzky and a myriad of others have made their reputations elsewhere and arrived in New York as famous men.
This is a better stage for Heatley, and it’s certainly in keeping with Sather’s team building methods since arriving in New York. Buy high, sell low. Pay now, pay later. It looks for all the world like today will be a bidding war between the Oilers and the Rangers, with Cogliano, Penner and Smid (PLUS) representing the Oilers side and a plethora of young talent (well, the few young players who haven’t been sent away) from the Rangers side.
Late last night on the epic thread below, poster and friend PDO dropped a bomb courtesy Daren Millard:
- Heatley didn’t kill it. the oilers are on the list and he confirmed it with his agent.
- Still has to approve it etc- rangers have entered the fray. package is getting better.
- Callahan, Dubinsky and del zotto and are improving it.
- Senators still want mark staal.
- Rangers are top priority- oilers are still fully in this thing and they will improve the package to keep with the rangers.
- Sens are still talking with both teams and will squeeze both teams.
- Penner and cogliano have been informed they were traded
- Millard believes this is the rangers deal to lose.
- Millard believes the sens want staal or nothing.
- Oilers-Sens deal is still on the table.
- It’s Tambellini vs Glen Sather tomorrow.
My thanks to PDO for posting it and apologies to Mr. Millard if anything is untrue or misrepresented. We need to cheer like hell for Glen Sather today. The Rangers should win this battle, it’s what they do. The Oilers can return to building a team brick by brick.
The draft, intelligent free agent additions, smart trades. Measured and reasonable. Please.
"I had a dream last night I was an Oiler, and that Roloson was our goalie in the finals" Heatley on why he decided against joining the Oilers
Roli and Wang were meant for each other.
Roli to NYI. 2 yrs, 2.5MM/yr. Wow.
Good for Roli, and good for the Oilers to pass on giving him two years.
Biron at 3 would be an absolute coup.
Good for Roli, hope he does well on the Island.
best thing to happen to the Oil. move on. get a younger tender. Dump bad deals, don't deal for any. Poach next year when the cap falls.
Good for Roloson, nice move. Oilers should ask after Biron but the offer sheet for Harding is looking stronger imo.
Goodbye Dwayne Roloson. I will miss your beautifully orchestrated helmet shaking, dive taking, and calf-whacking. I will also miss your baseball zone clear. Au revoir!
coach
Here, here. Who else is looking?
Good for Roloson, but I'm glad we're not the ones paying it.
trade for Patrick Sharp from Chicago. Trade for harding. Dump Penner on Ottawa
The comments on TSN's live blog are priceless:
[Comment From Erik]
edmonton needs a goalie, but none are on the market , they need luongo
[Comment From leafsfan]
thats a steal for the isles
Pierre is awesome.
Cogliano with 18 goals in his second year "hasn't proven he can put up points", but Armstrong at 22 goals in his 5th year is a guy who "can put up points"
The comments on TSN's live blog are priceless
Hahaha, I saw that too.
July 1 is like federal budget day in terms of being an orgy of pointless spending.
Or what about Versteeg? he's an rfa. Chicago just seems like a team that has to make a deal
Got to think Biron's an option now.
What would you need a deal to look like with CHI to be willing to take Huet? Got to imagine they'll try and move some salary having added Hossa.
Larry brooks was on team 1260 and he seems to think the rags didn't offer that much. Pull the deal tambellini.
DarrenDreger: Roloson tells TSN he wanted a 2 year deal and the Isles were quick to offer. Oilers wouldnt offer a 2nd year..
July 1 is like federal budget day in terms of being an orgy of pointless spending.
I liken it more to a Boxing Day sale, where every store only stocks a handful of the desirable items and you end up buying the Shitsonic DVD player for twice what it's worth just so you don't go home empty handed.
mc79: funny you make a government joke. It's free agency day and Canada Day but instead of celebrating I have been watching Obama discuss US Health Care. Days like this make me feel OLD.
speeds: was thiking the same thing. Lots of salary, but what could we get if we took that deal? That allows them to sign both Khabibulin and havlat. Mind you. why don't we just sign them? Just saying.
Hard to believe that Roloson contract. I mean, the Islanders have such a history of making the right decision on goaltenders, it's hard to believe they could screw up like that!
(Thank you, Garth Snow, for saving Tambs from himself.)
Chicago signs korecky form Det for 2 years $2.4 mill total. Trade with them!
kopecky
Lord Bob: Credit to Tambo, though, for sticking to his guns with a one-year offer. I was starting to worry that he'd soften on that and get stuck with Roloson's Geritol bills for another year.
Would you guys sign Biron for 3 years and 10 million? I would.
JW: at the cost of guys now, i would do 3 years for $9 mill.
I think you only offer Biron one year, $4 million.
No. No to Biron at 9m/3years. It's crazy. Trade for Harding if you must, but an offer sheet is the better plan.
Nothing has changed today in regard to goaltending.
According to the TSN "Reporters" Edmonton is the Gitmo of the NHL.
what about the same deal for heatley to chicago for Sharp, Huet and a prospect or someone else.
One thing people haven't discussed re Heatley's apparent "indecisiveness."
What if the Rangers spend their cap room on someone else today and walk away? If we assume the Rangers had the only offer that was close, can we lower our offer once they're out of the running?
Granted other teams will be interested in Heatley once they find out Gaborik is gone, but there are few teams willing and able to give up as much for Heatley, given his contract.
Fingers crossed.
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I'll be interested to hear what actually went down last night. My guess is that this is Heatley's agent's odd plan to try to keep Heatley out of Edmonton if possible. I doubt he planned it this way, probably just sort of happened.
We'll see.
10 million to a 40 year old goalie? This is madness.
Lt – Biron appears to have no suitors – that is new info.
We may be the only team with starters minutes to give.
"But Dany, no one else will take you but Edmonton".
Chris – that would be madness. Who are you referring to?
LT: Harding at 2 or Biron at 3.3? I'll take Biron.
I mean, planned it in advance.
Deano: Fine. 3 years, $7.5M. Take it or fuck off.
"But Dany, no one else will take you but Edmonton".
"Aw, shit. Can you bury me in the minors? I hear Rochester isn't too bad."
Jonathan: We're building a team and Biron isn't Hasek in his prime. Offer sheet Harding or deal for him.
Harding.
you don't like Biron at 9 over 3 LT?
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
I can see going in another direction but if they go with Biron at that price it seems like a pretty good deal.
LT – Edmonton's new motto – "We're not the KHL."
Haha
2/5 for Roloson skitzo. That's alot of money for a player on the wrong side of 36.
Obviously try and get him for less, if you can though.
I'd rather spend that money up front. Harding.
Chris – it was 5 million total, not per year.
LT: If it were Harding and someone else as a reliable backup I'd say sure. But JDD is the backup, and that means this team needs a no-questions-asked starter. Biron's the only one left on the market who I think meets that description.
(And yes, I know about Khabibulin. My memory just stretched back to 2005-06 and 2006-07.)
Biron is only 31 guys.
Will Harding become as good as Biron is now?
Edmonton=29th most desirable location (ie 2nd worst)in a survey of NHL players. Oiler brain trust=over-reaching panic stricken wild bunch riding into the guns.
I'm fine with Biron, but not at 3M a year and not for three seasons.
Good for Tambi for remembering Roli 07/08 as opposed to Roli 08/09 who was made to look better than he was.
Good for Roil for getting some retirement $$.
I'm still a fan of Legace for 1.5 and Labarbera for 1.
What are you going to get Harding for?
2 mil get it done, or does MIN match that?
LT – But you were fine with $4MM for Roli?
Yea looked again I appear to have misread that.
Well I'd trade for him and sign him to a couple or three seasons (on the upswing). I'm not certain what they'd sign him for but it must be well short of 3M per season.
I think our best move would be to offer sheet Harding and then sign Labarberra to something reasonable. Between the two of them the job should get done.
LT: Fair enough. We obviously have different views of the player. What about Nittymaki?
deano: Not fine, but guessed at the price.
What are the compensation packages / salary ranges for tendering an offer sheet to Harding?
Knuble to WAS for 5.6 over 2 years.
Good player that outscores tough comp, even if he's getting older.
@DarrenDreger: Heatley has yet to decide. Oilers are still very much in play.
Oh FFS.
I'm fine either way with the Heatley deal UNLESS they sweetened the offer. I don't like giving up Cogliano and the rest of that package but if Heatley shows up in shape and plays well/is healthy it might work out.
The Oilers do their best to look desperate and pathetic.
It's funny, a few threads ago discussing Rollie at 3MM/yr, I said something like, "who's gonna give Rollie 3MM a year or a second year at more than league minimum? The CrazyTown Moneythrowers? Oh wait, they don't exist?"
Turns out they do exist and they play on Long Island.
I agree, LT, but I'm sick of this thing dragging on.
Smarmy
Worked for me with women.
And the award for worst contract on UFA day 09 is….
NYR – Donald Brashear – 2 years, 1.4M per year.
Mike Russo of Minny Star-Trib tweets Oilers are taking a run at Scott Clemmensen.
Please please no, he's the worst of the bunch.
Anon: Dear God, no.
Well, I'm going to go have a shower and then hang myself.
They really do love Deslauriers.
Biron or Clemmensen, folks? There isn't really a choice methinks.
Update on Clemmenson tweet: This was reported on the NYT live blog, now edited to add the phrase "…and considering Josh Harding".
The CrazyTown Moneythrowers?
Man. I misread that as CrazyTown MonkeyThrowers. I liked it better that way, too.
If JDD is ever a top 16 starter in the league, I'll never question EDM management again…. and I plan on bitching an moaning for a long time.
Seriously, the parallels between Scott Clemmensen and Scott Fraser are terrifying.
Harding/Deslauriers is a little lack in experience, that's the only negative imo. Where's LaBarbara?
Showerhead said…
Please please no, he's the worst of the bunch.
I totally agree. Clemmensen is what 30 years old and besides last season. The numebers he has put up in the minors are only moderately better than JDD for crying out loud. Labarbera even has a better track record.
I'd say you could toss a coin and have just as good of chance to predict which one of these tenders will have the best year next season.
Sign the cheapest one and move on.
Damn, that Montador deal is a nice one.
Gregor likes Clemmensen because of his "experience". I'm assuming he's echoing something someone else told him, but I sure as hell hope that's his personal and not the Oilers' opinion.
7 years of experience as an NHL backup/AHL goalie I could do without.
.//Damn, that Montador deal is a nice one.//
Adults in charge in Buffalo.
I hope they're just leaking info to lower Harding's price.
Funny joke: Starbucks in Chicago has announced a new drink in honor of Hossa. It's served without a cup.
Todd Richards had Nilsson and Schremp in Wilkes-Barre.
That probably won't help the Oilers move them to Minnesota, though.
Another test for Tambo. Don't let Roloson be next seasons Reasoner.
Get a damned goalie.
Marty Biron and Nik Khabibulan have to be getting desperate, don't they?
They plan to use Strudwick as #1G, #7D and #13F.
This Heatley is thinking aout it angle is so absurd. What's he thinking about? He's looking at Google maps trying to figure out if Edmonton has enough Denny's restaurants for his liking, how many art house movie theatres there are. Does Edmonton have a Red Lobster? Heatley loves him some Red Lobster.
kris
Heatley is waiting for Sather to make a better offer.
I'd rather go to the prom alone than wait and see if Heatley can find a better looking date.
This is so embarrassing.
Todd Richards had Nilsson and Schremp in Wilkes-Barre.
That probably won't help the Oilers move them to Minnesota, though.
He had JDD and Pouliot too.
Joke's on Heatley: if he goes home with the Rangers, he'll wake up with the clap for sure.
Clemmenson is just Dwayne Roloson born a decade later. Played behind a superstar goalie and never got a chance until he was 30.
I'm indifferent as to the outcome so it's kind of interesting. Unless I'm wrong, this is a giant game of chicken with Murray counting on the Oilers not signing a UFA and taking the offer back.
Niedermayer resigns with Anaheim 1yr, $6 mil…TSN
We will go through this Heatley sh*# until Katz gets the trophy for his wall.
I kinda like the Montador deal. He didn't play tough competition but did well against those he did play and with a lot of minutes to boot.
$1.55 /yr isn't a Sauer deal but it isn't bad either imo.
Deano,
Uh, I got that. Humor and all.
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Deal for Harding. Please.
I unconvinced that Montador is an NHL defenceman.
kris
Sorry, I missed the nuance.
Can Quinn even discipline Heatley if he isn't performing up to snuff?
If the PP is struggling can Quinn even change it up?
If we sign Toby Petersen then maybe.
Schitzo: I don't think so. Roloson had 102 games over four previous seasons (average: 25.5/yr) before he got the starting job in Minnesota at age 31. Clemmensen had 28 over seven previous seasons.
Plus Roli's record in the AHL and NHL was better than Clemmensen's.
Knuble signing nice.
C'mon Tambs, sign Biron now.
Heatley = Terrell Owens
//Heatley = Terrell Owens//
A fat Terrell Owens.
I blame Bettman.
Haven't heard much about Havlat, Tanguay, or Gaborik as yet.
Or Cammalleri.
I thought he'd be a Leaf by now.
Look at the bright side! By no marquee players willing to sign with EDM, they will inevitably end up with a ton of cap space. Once the salary cap drops, the top UFA's in the next couple years will have NO CHOICE but to sign with the OIL because it will be the only place left with ANY MONEY. Schedule the Stanley Cup parade for June 15th 2014!
Man, if Pronger is the key to getting Philly deep in the playoffs, I'm not sure of the wisdom of a Boucher/Emery tandem.
@DarrenDreger: Boston Globe is reporting Spacek to Mtl. 3 years, $11.5 mil. Ouch!
The Team 1260 just announced that the Oilers have "made a move". They will announce what it is after the ads. It must be small.
According to TSN the Oilers are one of 3 or 4 teams that have made an offer to Neil, and at least one of them has offered 4 years.
tsn is reporting Oilers are in on Chris Neil sweepstakes.
Question: why are we not in the Phil Kessel race?
Depending on the money I like the idea of Chris Neil as an Oiler.
Chris Neil? Why?
Behindthenet doesn't flatter Chris Neal.
tsn is reporting Oilers are in on Chris Neil sweepstakes.
How? Are they going to put Moreau, Staios and Nilsson in Springfield?
Would you rather have Spacek or Ohlund? I'm not sure the answer is as obvious as most people seem to think.
He has some grit, rugged player. Perhaps some insurance against injury to some often-injured veteran wingers.
Something like that.
Admittedly I haven't gone to the trouble of looking at his advanced statistics. But he would provide some of the toughness that was sorely lacking last year.
Ohlund
As an actual question – no sarcasm, I don't have a good read on Neil – what does Chris Neil bring that Zack Stortini doesn't? I assume he wins more fights?
I have to say if we're unhappy with our GM, I'd be appalled if I was a Canadians fan. Gomez and for fairly big money is not how I'd want to spend that cap space expecially when Gomez mant surrendering Higgins and a very good prospect.
I thought we needed inexpensive 3rd and 4th liners.
I thought we had too many contracts.
Stortini can do everything Neil can do.
I am peering into the abyss of a hockey-free world, and diving into it is beginning to have a great attraction to me.
I would rather they go for Manny Malholtra
Fuck.
Tratkor: I think I agree, but Ohlund hasn't hit 35 points since 2001-02. Last year Spacek had 45.
BULIN WALL
Khabibulan.
Good signing, depending on numbers.
Khabby an Oiler?
Khabi to EDM?
bulin wall!
… at least he's a Flame killer. Hope the money isn't too big.
Fuck 2.
This obviously depends on $$$
Come on short term deal… He always put up big numbers in contract years.
Needs to be a 1 year deal under 3.
Khabibulin? Really?
2 years, 6MM. Not a penny more.
Source?
Khabibulin to Oilers, but it's only TSN so we're waiting for confirmation.
I want Madden, not Malholtra. He plays the toughs: 0.03 QualComp (2nd highest of all Centres in NJ, playing 50+ games) but with -0.37 QualTeam (the lowest of all centres). He did have the worst GAON/60 and traditional plus/minus of all those centres, but those can be related to his play the toughs with the dregs. I think we can get Madden for a reasonable price tag: I'd give him 2.5 million for one year, so that he clears the cap so it would be easier to resign Gags.
So we find out how much it takes to keep Khabby here for 1 more year.
At the right number, i am okay with this. I would rather have a longer -term solution but this is not much different to me than Roli for 1 more year.
Bulin wall to Edm? I would have preferred Harding but Khabby is a bonafide number one. Let's wait for contract details first.
The double whammy of Bhulin here and the Bouwmeester presser in Calgary has crippled me. Sounds like Calgary signed Pardy, too.
Jonathan, he's an NHL vetran with seven years of NHL experience. As LT has said this team could use some "NHL hockey players". Neil is a gritty guy who throws his weight around and fights. I believe his upside would be "he's a hard player to play again".
How bad can this get, they wouldnt give anything more than 3would they? I mean Kevin Lowe isnt in charge anymore.
Chris: But not a hard player to score goals against? I like grit, but I prefer grit that doesn't drag around ugly goals against numbers.
lol, what are these guys doing?
15 over 4 for Khabi?
Four years at $3.75M per? Yech.
4 years – $15MM for Khabby FUCK!
Where are we getting that horrible horrible number from?
4 years / 15 million per Bob McKenzie
Blogger needs a puke smilie.
Fuck.
Uh oh.
As I indicated Jonathan my approval is contingent on the money involved. Neil definately doesn't appear to be one of the best shut down options available. On the other hand, as an energy guy he's certainly worthwhile.
What??? There's another anchor contract.
Dear God No
what can you do but laugh?
All this leverage and opportunity and they give a 35+ goalie a 4 year deal at 3.75 mil.
WTF?
So we didn't give two years to Roloson because of age…
4/15 for Khabbibulan Christ..that guys so old I grew up watching him play for the Jets. What the hell are they thinking?
4 years? I just threw up in mouth.
All of a sudden Old man Rolie in a 2 year deal looks good.
http://tiny.cc/eJHJJ
Trying to put a positive spin on this….. the above stats paint Khabi in a decent light…. not working….. want to cry
Screw this deal please
What are they doing?!
He's 36 years old.
Where's our capologist when you need a screaming lunatic in the room saying "NOT FOUR YEARS!"
Fire Tambellini! I'm getting on this train early.
And Fire MacT while we're at it..oh wait.
Hopefully Khabby needs to think on the deal to see what Washington wants to do.
It has to be 15 years for $4MM.
Well the good thing about overpays in net, unlike players, is that they can still contribute when they are over the hill or washed up, just like Kipper down the road.
(We're screwed for four years)
This isn't the end of the world – but it sure ain't good. I can't gloat about Kipper nearly as much anymore.
I must be nuts. The deal seems okay to me. It screams "Buy Out" but I thought that was supposed to be okay now that Tony Stark is in control.
It's a year too long, but that tends to happen on UFA deals.
He's a flame killer, and a legit #1 right now.
We did just sign the best best available goaltender.
Well, it's not all bad. Maybe he retires in 2 years. I mean it's either that or keep living in Edmonton.
4 year, 15 mill. decent money but too long of a term. But I'm sure that's how they got him. What does this do to our cap? I believe Biron at the same term for 12 mill. would have been doable. I guess we'll never know.
Guess that E-town is so bad that we have to overpay most of our players. Kind of like a northern living allowance!
I hate this deal now. 4 yr deal to a 36 yr old? No way.
I'd have been much happier with an offer sheet to Harding and signing Labarbara. This Khabbibulin for four years at that money is insane. How do they intend to make this work with the cap and fill in holes in the roster?
If he retires aren't we stuck with the cap hit because 35+?
Because he's over 35, he counts against the cap even if he retires, right?
Bye Heatley
I'd rather this team was run by online voting by the fans than some of the deals our management makes.
Actually the deal is okay. He'll likely be bought out or retire before its completed.
I don't get the Biron fixation. In what world do people want goaltenders Philadelphia no longer wants?
Yes.
I'm pretty sure there's some fun ways to get around that though that we'll explore when we get there.
It's a year long, but the cap hit is good, and he was the best goalie on the market.
3.75 + whatever JDD makes is a lot less than most teams spend in net.
Chris, that depends on which sites the votes are coming from…
PDO:
It is 3 years too long.
This one naturally Scott
Did he sign that contract with his right Khabi, or his left Bulin?
Bwa ha ha ha, I slay me.