Why the Inertia?

Each summer failing NHL teams attempt to sell fans on the following year with new faces and new hope. The Oilers have some of that (Quinn, Renney, Khabibulin) but the team has been inactive for some time now and unless we’ve been misled there’s still work to do.

Among the possible reasons:

  1. No one wants our stuff.
  2. The Oilers are going to rely heavily on “in-house” solutions.
  3. They really are waiting on Heatley because he’s exactly what the coach wants.
  4. There’s another deal out there.
  5. They’re going to sign Jagr.
  6. They’re not that bright.

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114 Responses to "Why the Inertia?"

  1. misfit says:

    #6 is looking more and more like the right answer every day

  2. raventalon40 says:

    I hope every day to wake up to a big kerplunk in on TSN and I wake up disappointed every day.

  3. misfit says:

    I guess I could comment on each point:

    1. I doubt it. Teams have been making deals with similar and lesser quality players as we're trying to get rid of just about every day. Granted, most of which have had players going both ways which I doubt Tambellini is interested in doing

    2. It looks like it (proving #6)

    3. I think this is also at least mostly true (again proving #6 is probably correct)

    4. I doubt it

    5. I also doubt this, but that could change if they finally concede that Heatley isn't interested ala last year

  4. Mr DeBakey says:

    I think
    -The Heatley non-trade, and
    -The teams – Boston, San Jose & Philadelphia – who need to make Cap related trdes
    are holding things up

    Everyone's playing Cap Chicken right now.

  5. mindmasher says:

    Insight on the Heatley shenanigans (has the ring of truth)? http://bit.ly/90k2t

  6. Southern Oil says:

    Well,
    #6 can't be right because stupidity doesn't describe why a deal can't be made. Certainly management could screw things up if they wanted.
    I'm tending towards #1 and #3

  7. dave says:

    how much would we need for Jager? Could we get it done dealing Nilson and Staois for picks? Trading Smid and or picks for our 3C? Not only do I not want to lose Cogs I don't want to lose Penner either. With Penner still on the team we could have 2 equal PP units. If #5 happens and we don't lose NHL players we plan on playing. Then I'm havin what Tambo's havin.

  8. bookie says:

    #1: I don't think this is it.

    #2: I think that they are fine with the linup and I agree (with the exception of some help on the 3rd line). There are many unknowns with regards to how these guys will play with a new coach.

    #3 It's exactly what the President and GM want.

    #4 There are always lots of deals, particularly when you have our Defensmen to shop for a decent forward.

    #5: I still think they are going to try this once Heatley is officially gone.

    #6: It easy to be bright when I sit at the computer and can use my hindsite vision. I suspect that the fellows who run this organization are very very bright.

  9. bookie says:

    The hope is that we somehow get Jagr from the KHL in some crazyass beat the system type deal.

    No players would be lost.

  10. Coach pb9617 says:

    #6: It easy to be bright when I sit at the computer and can use my hindsite vision. I suspect that the fellows who run this organization are very very bright.

    Based on what evidence?

  11. DanMan says:

    LT: Can Jagr even opt-out of the KHL deal? And do you know what he actually got paid? I heard it would end up being something like $5 mil tax free. But didn't the KHL players have some kind of leauge-wide rollback of salaries?

  12. Hockey Noob says:

    You can only imagine my consternation when I heard the Prendergast promulgation on ?Tencer or the Pipeline show…

    I myself tend to oscillate between believing that Tambo's playing a game of chicken (with someone other than Heatley's camp) and the fear that they actually do believe that our lackluster roster of kids will be adequate next season. I can only hope that the former rather than the latter is the case.

    In this regard, I am tending to be swayed towards options 4 and 6 respectively.

  13. Lowetide says:

    DanMan: The original contract was reported to be $23M for two seasons. The re-draft came amongst reports of players taking 50 cents on the dollar.

    I imagine we could see a story somewhat similar to Emery's (this is from an article in the Star late winter):

    A handful of big-name NHLers went to the KHL in its first season, including goalie Ray Emery and forward Jaromir Jagr. Emery recently quit his team – Atlant Mytishchi – over a salary dispute. Emery believed he was not being paid what he had agreed to, which boiled down to an argument over the correct exchange rate between the ruble and the U.S. dollar. Emery has rejoined his club.

  14. Smarmy Boss says:

    Hmmm are you antsy for something to happen LT?

  15. Lowetide says:

    I'm impatient for this team to settle the Heatley fiasco and address:

    1. 3line C
    2. a veteran W who could serve as Pisani/Moreau insurance
    3. Another good, dependable D.

  16. blackadder says:

    What Steve Tambellini is discovering, I think, is how hard it is to make changes when your predecessor saddled you with a series of long term, overly generous contracts for a group of players on the wrong side of 30 (Hemsky being the lone exception, of course). I'm betting that there are plenty of teams who would love to have a Staios, Visnovsky or Souray on their team – or even take a flier on a Robert Nilsson – but each comes with a contract that makes them virtually untradeable. I don't think the team wants to go into TC with a team virtually unchanged from last year's disaster, but they're probably going to be stuck with it.

  17. DanMan says:

    Thanks LT.

    Even if he did get out of the deal, I doubt we could sign him under the cap.

    As for #2 on your most recent list: Doesn't Todd Bertuzzi look more and more attractive by the day? What would it take for a one year? I would guess $1.5-2 mil.

  18. Coach pb9617 says:

    Doesn't Todd Bertuzzi look more and more attractive by the day?

    No. Not at all.

  19. Bank Shot says:

    I don't know Black Adder.

    The only thing Tambellini has done so far is add to the long term generous contract count by adding O'Sullivan and Khabibulin.

    Sutter didn't have problems moving out Vandermeer, and Primeau. Boston moved Ward. I suspect if the Oilers brain trust really wanted to move a contract they could get it done.

  20. DanMan says:

    Why not coach? Size and grit is an issue with our forwards, and he is the biggest, baddest MFer available. And probably on the cheap.

    But, then again, if he mailed-it-in under Carlye and Keenan, could Quinn get him to turn back the clock?

  21. Lowetide says:

    DanMan: I don't think Bertuzzi can play anymore. He had quality linemates and soft parade opponents a year ago and did zero with it.

    He might be one of the least effective regulars in the NHL now.

  22. DanMan says:

    He started the season on a tear last year. 4 goals in his first 4 games. He was hurt soon after and only had 11 in the last 62. I wouldn't write him off just yet. If his back is healthy, he is a different player.

  23. blackadder says:

    Not sure if that's fair comparasin, Bank Shot. Ward and Primeau's contracts both end in 2010. A lot of teams are positioning themselves for 2011 when the cap is expected to drop so acquiring those two guys isn't going to have a long term impact on a teams salary costs. Except for Pisani all the overly long, overly generous Oiler contracts (including now Khabibulin and maybe Dany Heatley) last through 2011 and beyond.

    Right now, the Oilers only have 2.5 million in cap space left and a few holes left to fill (most notably third line center). Not much room to make a lot of changes.

  24. oil dude says:

    Obviously 3 is true (although maybe it's the GM/Prez/Owner that wants him) and depending on that outcome either 4 or 5 (maybe both).

    If they sign Bertuzzi then 6 is true.

  25. Kent W. says:

    I don't think Bertuzzi can play anymore. He had quality linemates and soft parade opponents a year ago and did zero with it.

    He might be one of the least effective regulars in the NHL now.

    Ding ding ding!

    On top of all that, he's lax defensively, injury prone and the refs watch him like a hawk. He wasn't even all that effective on the PP either.

    Naturally, I would love it if the Oilers signed Bertuzzi.

  26. Coach pb9617 says:

    He started the season on a tear last year. 4 goals in his first 4 games. He was hurt soon after and only had 11 in the last 62. I wouldn't write him off just yet. If his back is healthy, he is a different player.

    He's garbage and he's been garbage since 2005.

  27. PDO says:

    Calgary pulled off a very nice trade today, giving up a 2nd round pick or not, they got out of a pretty gross contract with Primeau and picked up two kids with some upside.

    … though I thought Burkie was the guy usually dealing those away for guys like Wayne Primeau?

    As for the Oilers?

    I'm leaning more and more to incompetence.

    Again.

    Sigh.

  28. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    In other news….the Flames have moved Wayne Primeau and second round pick to Toronto for Anton Strahlman and Colin Stuart.

    Flames clear cap space and Burke is up to something.

  29. DanMan says:

    How in the Mother%$@! did they get Stralman?

  30. Lord Bob says:

    After four seasons of not plugging the same holes, I think this has crossed the boundary between "inertia" and "heat death of the universe".

  31. DanMan says:

    KentW: LOL You made the budlight lime come out my ears

  32. PDO says:

    FCM:

    What could he possibly be up to? I suppose that 2nd round pick might help him out finishing off a deal – but I have a hard time believing that kid D he just dealt didn't have some good value anyway.

    He just added a big North American body who likes to hit.

    Seems typical Burke to me.

  33. DanMan says:

    coach: garbage since 07 would be more accurate.

    He can't have back-to-back-to-back $hit seasons can he?

  34. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    He needs to get a second round pick if he's going to make an offer sheet. Chicago has Toronto"s second round pick via Montreal.

    That's one scenario and another could be he's needs that pick to complete a trade.

    I'm sure he wasn't wetting his pants in anticipation of getting Primeau. He's 33 and has only played about 90 games in the last three years and I'm sure will be buried in the minors or bought out by Burke.
    He's got a cap hit of $1.4M so that's pretty easy for the Leafs to deal with.

  35. PDO says:

    FCM:

    You can only use your own picks for an offer sheet.

  36. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    @PDO.

    I'm aware of that. But Burke could easily flip Calgary's second to Chicago to get their own back.

  37. Kevin says:

    Good point, Bank Shot. I agree that Calgary's ability to move out overpaid veterans this summers and bring in 'grit' (Prust) and organizational depth (Stuart and Strahlman) makes it clear that this sort of thing was possible, even if it meant moving extra pieces (picks). Since both were stated goals of the Oiler management team, it seems somewhat strange that we're left waiting while a division rival facing an even worse cap crunch moves bad pieces for good ones.

    Black Adder: Your point is also a good once, and the 'expiring contract' trade is already more common in basketball. Certainly it seems like it will become so in a capped hockey league as well. Nevertheless, Vandermeer's contract isn't up until 2011, and Toronto isn't facing a cap problem next year as they dip to under $35 million. I think the deals are out there (or maybe were prior to Calgary's moves).

    I fully admit to being pessimistic and fatalistic about this team, but I strongly advocate 3 and 6 (and, in fact, that 3 somewhat indicates 6) as likely reasons.

  38. Fake Craig McTavish says:

    @ Kevin.

    The difference is Vandermeer is actually a useful player to Phoenix and makes almost half a million less than Staios.

    Nilsson might be useful to someone but, based on his play last season, and his contract, I can't think who that might be off the top my head.

  39. Lowetide says:

    Burke has the weirdest group of forwards since Del Hall roamed the earth.

  40. PunjabiOil says:

    Maybe the Oilers are holding on to all of Staios, Moreau, and Pisani in the name of loyalty when/if the next contract is signed.

    Suddenly, these guys at ~1-1.2 range have the ability to become outperformers.

  41. Coach pb9617 says:

    Wow, Tanguay to Phoenix/Saskatoon/Halifax

  42. jaredmc0 says:

    I've heard rumblings about Kessel (admittedly, eklund rumbles, which sound a bit like my stomach after a 5$ pizza and crazy bread). I personally don't think Kessel is the guy we need, although he would be an upgrade on O'Sullivan. We certainly wouldn't need both. what thinks the board?

  43. PDO says:

    Coach:

    Link?

  44. SK Oiler Fan says:

    If the Rangers walk away from Zherdev's arb award that makes him a UFA correct?

    Can the Oilers trade for his rights before arbitration and accept his award at around 4M per?

    He's only 24, good size, 57GF, 47GA.
    2nd F on team at +6
    4th forward on team for ESTOI and 4th forward on team for PP time at 3:00 / game.
    He wasn't the greatest PP performer with 11 points, but led the team at evens with 46 points.
    5/14 in shootouts.

    Negatives: He's Russian (could flee to the KHL) and it would be his 3rd team allready, which sets off the attitude alarms. I'm not sure if he's ever played LW.

    Of course the Oilers would have to dump 2M worth of salary somehow.

    The Rangers are in serious need of Defensemen as they only have 4 signed. They would seem like a logical trade partner. And there's the Slats connection. Would Staios and Nilson get it done?

  45. Lord Bob says:

    I just got a text message from Daryl Katz saying that Burke has traded Ned Braden and two first-round picks for Jeff Hanson.

  46. the gabe says:

    Braden isn't going ANYWHERE.

  47. kris says:

    Yeah LT,

    That team in TO looks terrible. If they succeed in moving Kaberle for youth, they're tanking on purpose. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  48. Gord says:

    3. Another good, dependable D

    Lowetide,

    Please clarify – other than Staios, I love our defense.

    We are inches away from having four of them being in the top 30 defensemen in points in the NHL.

    Considering only Detroit has a better offensive group & their top two are a year or two away from retiring…

    Having Smid & Peckham anchoring the bottom two a year from now – I'll take that six over any team in the NHL…

  49. DanMan says:

    Gord: I think its quite possible that Staios will be fighting to keep his spot in TC this year.

    Peckham did many similar things as Staios last year. If they sit down and decide that Peckham at 800 K (just guessing, will check capgeek.com later) is not much of a dropoff from Staios at 2.7 mil, it is likely Staios is moved or sent down imo.

  50. DanMan says:

    Nashville would be a good fit for Staios, they only have 3 legit d-men and are close to the cap-floor.

    We wouldn't get Smithson, thats for sure, could we do it for Joel Ward and a 3rd?

    He's a fan fav there, but that franchise is in trouble anyway

  51. hunter1909 says:

    7. Not developing Rob Schremp.

    lmao

  52. Woodguy says:

    1) I think its more or less, do the Oilers want what others are willing to give them for "our stuff"

    2) For the bottom 6, I agree

    3) This is the biggest thing. This deal takes care of damn near everything they need, and doesn't cost them one thing they don't want to give up.

    4) If Heatley falls through, there will be another deal.

    5) I think that is a back up to the the back up plan now. They need to clear cap space so a pure signing is off in the distance unless they do a pure purge of $$$ for picks and prospects, which I think they are loathe to do (but should in a couple of cases)

    6) I wouldn't go that far, but the supposition that they are very good is also a stretch.

    You can point at the senior management of this team and accuse them of not being wise to the reality of today's market.

    Thinking that Khabbi is a great deal is a good example of this. It would have been a great deal 2 years ago, today not so much.

    Does this mean that they are dim? Perhaps, but probably not on all fronts.

    The Heatley deal is truly the GOLDEN EGG, THE WHITE WHALE, WHAT WE NEED FOR WHAT WE DON'T NEED.

    Its the magic bullet, and until that deal is done one way or another, this organization will do very little.

  53. danny says:

    You see a GM like Mike Gillis in Vancouver. He recognized holes and made moves to address them. Its such a novel idea, i really hope Tambellini takes notice and catches the crest of that wave thats sure to take the GM world by storm.

    … honestly though, every year we have been waiting for such simple moves to happen for such glaring holes. We ask ourselves every year, do they know something I dont? They must… surely.

    I think theyre still drunk on the Pronger binge. They had a taste of what a dominant player could do and are starving for another. meanwhile they are completely abandoning logic and reason, letting key guys sign everywhere not edmonton.

    AFter Pronger we needed a veteran D or two. Guys like Eaton were around, but nothing happens.

    Then we let Reasoner Glencross walk, trade Stoll, and dream of Hossa. No help comes.

    Now we wait for a veteran C + W… and frankly im pretty gunshy. I just don't know anymore if its gonna happen. Its very obvious we need these things. Except to the Oilers, who are too busy sending love letters to Dany Heatley.

  54. Coach pb9617 says:

    Lightning buyout Prospal. Interesting player at $3.5 million a year…

  55. Ribs says:

    Another Czech left winger…But I do wonder if the one we just let wander into the wilderness was the better bet.

  56. Coach pb9617 says:

    Well, if he makes it through waivers, which is likely, he's going to come cheap if he wants to stay in the NHL. He's already getting 2 million a year from Tampa.

  57. Ribs says:

    Cheap is good. I like cheap.

  58. Dave says:

    Oh, god.

    I just know we're gonna get Prospal. What a nightmare. Another top 6 forward that tops out around 45-50 points.

  59. Coach pb9617 says:

    I just know we're gonna get Prospal. What a nightmare. Another top 6 forward that tops out around 45-50 points.

    Only 96 forwards topped 50 points last year – 3 per team.

    A full season of Horpensky is 80+ for Horcoff and Hemsky and 50+ for Penner. If Prospal and Gagner were to put up 50, Edmonton would be well ahead of the curve.

    Some nightmare.

  60. knighttown says:

    I just know we're gonna get Prospal. What a nightmare. Another top 6 forward that tops out around 45-50 points.

    Except for the two seasons he scored 80. He's an extremely interesting option. He's not overly fast or big. He doesn't possess and cannon. His main atribute is smarts.

    He's a cerebral guy who can give and receive a pass, find holes and when he gets an easy opportunity he doesn't miss. He'll produce with talent…he always has.

    There are a few players that get by on craftiness and guile. You look at the scoring race and see these neames that don't seem to belong. Some examples are Ray Whitney, David Krejci, Slava Kozlov and JP Dumont. Prospal is in that group.

    IF he's cheap, you sign hin for 1-2 years.

  61. Black Gold says:

    Would you put him with Horc and Hemsky and let Penner take care of some combination of POS/Gags/Cogs?

    Even if you put him with the kids,I like any signing that bumps Moreau to the 4th line.

  62. Coach pb9617 says:

    Would you put him with Horc and Hemsky and let Penner take care of some combination of POS/Gags/Cogs?

    Even if you put him with the kids,I like any signing that bumps Moreau to the 4th line.

    If you can get him for something in the $2 million range for this season or this season and next, put him on the second line behind Horpensky and let O'Sullivan and Pisani play with Pouliot.

  63. godot10 says:

    //AFter Pronger we needed a veteran D or two. Guys like Eaton were around, but nothing happens.//

    Lowe gave MacT a stud defensive defender to replace Pronger, i.e.Jan Hejda, and MacT didn't play him.

    Ken Hitchcock had no trouble playing Hejda till he dropped.

  64. DanMan says:

    Why can't Prospal be the 3rd line C? He has played a lot of center, I haven't checked the fo% yet.

    Teams with depth have no issues with putting a veteran known more for scoring on the 3rd line.

    Plus, Pat Quinn has tradionally went with 3 scoring lines with an energy/checking line as the 4th.

  65. Ribs says:

    I can't seem to find the "Shun" button on here…

  66. Mr DeBakey says:

    Lowe gave MacT a stud defensive defender to replace Pronger, i.e.Jan Hejda, and MacT didn't play him.

    Dan Hejda had language issues when he arrived, all this Bohemian jive talk.
    I don't believe he had that great a camp,
    I seem to recall that Roy outplayed him.

  67. Promethian says:

    Anyone see this yet or care to comment? I might have missed someone else posting this earlier, but…

    http://oilrumblings.blogspot.com/

    Gilbert + Nilsson for Horton + McArdle?

    Would love to see Horton here, but would really miss Gilbert. It would not be easy to replace his minutes and wide-range of skills.

    However…

    Penner – Horcoff – Hemsky
    POS – Gagner – Horton

    …is a nice top 6.

  68. Alice says:

    I dunno, but being Minus 20 doesn't speak well for his 3rd-line potential. As a complementary player w stud linemates like Horc/Hemsky he could do alright, Penner moves back adds some size beside Gagner.

    Maybe.
    Need to pull the rug out from under the Heatley deal first tho, else they don't strike.

  69. Traktor says:

    "I don't believe he had that great a camp, I seem to recall that Roy outplayed him."

    I said he was our best defender in preseason.

  70. Coach pb9617 says:

    Would love to see Horton here

    He needs some protection – he got it in Florida and still didn't blow anyone away.

  71. RiversQ says:

    Re: Horton

    He played with Weiss a couple of years ago and they took the tough matchups at that time. He's a pretty good player and he's reasonably cheap isn't he?

    I can't see why Fla would trade him though.

  72. Traktor says:

    "I can't see why Fla would trade him though."

    Satellite Hotstove suggested that he wanted out of Florida back in January or so.

  73. Coach pb9617 says:

    Weiss took the tough minutes last year and outperformed. Horton took the third minutes and didn't do much with them.

    Seems like Weiss was behind that line two years ago.

  74. Traktor says:

    Prospal-Horcoff-Pisani works for me.

  75. godot10 says:

    If management really hates Penner, Penner and Smid for Horton.

  76. rickibear says:

    Prospal-Horcoff-Pisani

    How many people put that line to paper at lunch time!

  77. Promethian says:

    //If management really hates Penner, Penner and Smid for Horton.//

    Good for us, but they have to want that deal as well and I doubt they would. Despite his naysayers in the 'sphere, Gilbert is a quality hockey player signed for long term at a reasonable price.

    Can't say the same for Dustin.

    Plus, Horton comes in at $4M, just like Gibby, and if Nilsson went the other way it would essentially drop $2m off the payroll.

  78. Oilmaniac says:

    Prospal… wow… how desperate for something to happen, and that any player on the market could be 'the right fit' for edmonton', that people are jumping on this…

    Hey.. he just got cut from one of the worst teams in the league.. now he gets paid for not showing up…

    Where do we sign… *headshake*

  79. Oilmaniac says:

    nice one RickiBear…

  80. Steve says:

    Hey.. he just got cut from one of the worst teams in the league..

    Well, he got cut because he was badly overpaid; I don't think anyone's suggesting that we sign him at the price Tampa Bay was paying. But if we can agree that he's one of the top 360 forwards in the league, then it makes sense for some team to give him a regular spot at some price.

    I have no particular opinion on whether it should be the Oilers, because I know nothing about him apart from his counting stats, which I like. I also don't know what money he'd be looking for.

    But being bought out by a bad team is not prima facie evidence that it's a bad idea for a team to sign him.

  81. Oilmaniac says:

    Yeah he was badly overpay, sure.. but it also shows that tampa wasnt to concerned about cutting bait.. the loss was a net gain..

    anyways.. at least one vote for a big – PASS!

  82. Oilmaniac says:

    (point taken tho steve,.. as i continue to clutter the board)

  83. misfit says:

    Coach:

    Agreed. Weiss definitely drives the bus there. The thing about Horton is this year he was the only full-time Panther to start more often in the other team's end than his own (it was a dreadfull team), and still managed to be runner up for the green jacket on his team.

    I'd hate to see Gilbert go for Horton, but after the Heatley debacle and offering Chris *&$%'n Neal $2M a year (long term!), it looks like Tambellini and co. are just dying to do something stupid this offseason.

  84. DBO says:

    Not for anything, but would anyone want Prospal? he's been put on waivers/bought out. He's a solid two way winger who can score some goals, and he doesn't cost too much. He's 6'2, and shockingly actually had 126 hits last year (which puts him in our top 5), and can play wing or centre. He has killed penalties, and is basically close to a tanguay with more of an edge to his game. He might be a great fit on our 2nd line as a veteran solid two way player who can take a faceoff if Gagner is struggling. Since he has almost $1.16 per year in a buyout, i wonder if it would take less then $2 mill to sign him. that is the kind of move we could use, and it will not cost us a lot and if the Heatley deal happens he fills a need.

  85. Jonathan Willis says:

    Pass on Prospal.

    The Bertuzzi talk is sheer lunacy.

    When LT talks about Moreau/Pisani insurance we should look for:

    a) someone for the 4th line
    b) given a), someone cheap
    c) someone who knows where the defensive zone is and what to do if he somehow finds himself there

    Andy Hilbert.

  86. Dyckster says:

    offering Chris *&$%'n Neal $2M a year (long term!), it looks like Tambellini and co. are just dying to do something stupid this offseason.

    This comment confuses me, albeit the $2 million offer was a little rich for what you get in return, a lot of folks commenting this summer on the oiler blogosphere have stated we need a crash and bang guy for the 3rd or 4th line. Doesn't Chris Neil fill that role quite nicely? I'm not necessarily saying it would have been a good signing but, …..

  87. misfit says:

    You've got to wonder how many more years a guy like Prospal has left. He's 34, and heading dangerously close to the point where players tend to fall down the ol' elvevator shaft production-wise. Plus, outside of 1 55 point season, he's never put up more than 36 points outside of Tampa Bay.

    I have a feeling we could ultimately sign him, but something about him just screams Nedved pt2. I could see this guy turn out to be a complete disaster in the NW division.

    I can understand going after Heatley. Sure, if you see him as one of the game's elite players, then you go for it, even if your lineup has bigger holes. But if it falls through, you don't just go down the line of available LWs until you end up chasing a player who isn't any better than what you've already got, all while still neglecting to adress the real problems.

  88. misfit says:

    Dyckster: I don't think that we need more grit all that badly. Sure it's nice, but Neil would essentially just replace Stortini in the lineup, and you aren't getting more grit in that case, you're just getting different grit…for an extra $1.3M a season.

    And for a team who was basically guaranteeing a goal against on every 5th or 6th penalty, do we really need a guy who's going to spend over 200 minutes a season in the penalty box?

  89. Dyckster says:

    misfit: I totally agree with you,

    If we could upgrade our grit to a guy that can actually produce offensively as well (Sean Avery w/o the off ice nonsense) I'm all for it. My comment wasn't directed specifically at you. Lots LT and ON bloggers say we need more grit and Neil definately is sandpaper like. Personally I'd like to see more skill, I still hold hope Schremp or Brule along with the current cast can make this team fun to watch again (just like when the Oil used to beat my Wpg Jets)
    :(

  90. Steve says:

    I still hold hope Schremp or Brule along with the current cast can make this team fun to watch again

    Don't forget Ryan Stone.

  91. Oilmaniac says:

    I thought the vibe on stone is that he is likely to remain AHL material.. does anyone else hold out hope that he will become much else?

  92. Traktor says:

    Prospal has average 63 points per 82 games since the lockout and would probably finish 2nd in team scoring this year behind Hemsky for 2-2.5 million dollars and he's getting snubbed around here.

    "Plus, outside of 1 55 point season, he's never put up more than 36 points outside of Tampa Bay."

    What a stupid thing to say. Prospal has only played 3 compete seasons away from Tampa and one of those years he put up 54 points.

  93. Traktor says:

    "Don't forget Ryan Stone."

    "I thought the vibe on stone is that he is likely to remain AHL material.. does anyone else hold out hope that he will become much else?"

    That was beautiful.

  94. Oilmaniac says:

    I dont get why your (traktor) so up on prospal… give gagner those minutes (not like he wouldnt get his anyways) and if you really wanna spend 2M+ go fill a serious need w maholtra…

    just my take on prospal (or a roster need)..

  95. oilersinsider says:

    Why would you not express some interest in Prospal if he can be had for the right price?

    If he asks for anything close to the $3.5 he was making then no, and the Oilers couldn't make that work anyways under the cap, but if $2.5 or so on a short term say 2 years, I'd like that move.

    He's a LW and maybe could click with Hemsky. If he doesn't he makes sense at $2.5 on the second line. He had a bad year last year but so did most of Tampa.

  96. shanetrain says:

    You know things are bleak when your getting excited about possibly adding Vinny Prospal.

  97. oilersinsider says:

    Things are somewhat bleak, but that doesn't mean that at the right price, Prospal is not a viable option or at least something the Oilers might decide to at least pick up the phone for.

  98. DanMan says:

    Andy Hilbert is a small soft AHL all-star. He is best in a top 6 role on a crappy team. I wouldn't wan't him on our 4th line taking valuable minutes away from Jacques or McDonald.

    The reason Bertuzzi and Prospal are mentioned is that, in limited minutes, they actually bring something to the team that a rookie may not. Hilbert is pretty much done at the NHL level.

  99. Jfry says:

    quinn is not looking to get his 2nd back for an RFA signing as has been suggested. to quote JW, "that's lunacy".

    TO has an absolute crap roster and Burke only resigned a few players he thinks he wants to keep moving forward. Come the trade deadline when they're in the Taylor Hall sweepstakes, he'll be handing out stempniak, mayers, pono, etc for draft picks.

    from there, look for him to secure multiple first round picks in the top ten by trading all his other second rounders.

    burke is in a great position heading into next summer, it's just a shame that you're allowed to intentionally able to ice such a crap team for a full year. i think they'll be hard pressed to win 25 games this year.

  100. DanMan says:

    This might be the first year since i've been a hockey fan that I might actually pull for the Leafs.

    I really wanna see if the SWedish Monter Gustavsson turns into a quality goalie.

    I like how they are going to "go young" but don't really have any good prospects other than Kadri and Schenn. That $hit is just funny.

  101. DanMan says:

    And Tyler Bozek, supposedly the best unsigned, undrafted college player to graduate this year

  102. Lowetide says:

    DanMan: You've gone off the rails here. Cheering for the Leafs?

    Also, what proof (and I'd like numbers please) do you have that Hilbert is a lesser player than Bertuzzi?

  103. boopronger says:

    hey come on now, the leafs have a great prospect in Stralman….Oh wait a second….

  104. DanMan says:

    LT: I don't know what it is but I love when a team just hits absolute rock-bottom and has to basically start from scratch. Its one of those good-ol redemption stories, I'm such a sucker for those.

    Andy Hilbert: 5'11" 191

    2007-08 New York Islanders NHL 70 8 8 16 18
    2008-09 New York Islanders NHL 67 11 16 27 22

    Todd Bertuzzi: 6'3" 235

    2007-08 Anaheim Ducks NHL 68 14 26 40 97
    2008-09 Calgary Flames NHL 66 15 29 44 74

    Hilbert is a small softie, Bertuzzi is a big meanie. Bertuzzi brings you something offensively. Hilbert can PK, there's no doubt, but he is just as injury-prone as Bert.

    To me, looking at this Oiler team, the numbers that look good to me are 6'3" 235 that can still move decently for a player of his size.

  105. Oilmaniac says:

    plently of other options Danman,
    Get over Big Bert…

    Save us all the headache…

  106. Oilmaniac says:

    man, 'prospal' comes into the market and all of a sudden bertuzzi looks good… can believe this poor digression… signing out…

  107. Jfry says:

    bertuzzi was not a "big meanie" here in calgary last year. frankly, he wasn't even as good as conroy. here's some numbers i through around with some flames fans early last summer after he signed:

    here's his last year's numbers:
    qual/comp
    -0.06 (getzlaf= -0.04, iginla= 0.03)

    qual/teamate
    0.43 (0.34, 0.35)

    goals for in 60min
    0.64

    first assist in 60min
    0.78

    second assist in 60min
    0.56

    points for in 60min
    1.98 (2.26, 2.85)

    corsi for last year
    0.6 (10.2, 7.4)

    that's for last year. so in brief, bertuzzi played against easy competition with good teammates and put up acceptable pts/60…to put this in perspective, bertuzzi's stat line from last year is almost identical to Craig Conroy.

    the year before he played 15 games and his numbers were total shit, which you'd expect in that number of games post injury, although he was given the best linemates possible in detroit.

    if there's one consistent thing with bertuzzi's statline, he's always given the best linemates.

    ______________

    by nov 05, 2008:
    right now bert has 9 total points, with 6 coming on the PP, so he has 3EV pts this year and is -minus 10, which means that he's been on the ice for 13 EV goals against.

    which means, BERT has been on the ice for half (50%, WOW!) of the 26 goals against the flames at 5on5 so far this year. Conroy has 5 points, all EV and is -1, so he's been on for 6 EV goals… (conroy only on for 25% of GA). Bertuzzi averages 14min EVs and Conroy 12min.

    as it stands, at EVs, conroy is playing the second hardest quality of competition on your team behind only langkow (bert ranks 6th among forwards). conroy ranks 7th on your team amoung forwards with regards to quality of linemate (bert ranks 4th).

    bertuzzi GF/60 at EVs is 2.62 and his GA/60 is 3.93 for a massive gulf of -1.3 goals a game

    conroy GF/60 at EVs is 3.61 and GA/60 is 4.01 for a minimal spread of
    -0.4 goals a game

    Conroy, at EVs pt/60 = 2.01
    Bertuzzi, at EVs pt/60 = 0.97
    which means that Conroy is twice as effective offensively at 5 on 5 play so far this year. this means that Conroy is contributing to 56% of his line's points, while Bertuzzi is only contributing to 38% of his…with linemates that are performing below their yearly averages…so is bert the problem or his linemates? i read the stats as bert is the anchor, even though captain Iggy is having a struggle as well…just for reference, Bert also started 31 more plays at EVs in the offensive end, so he's being protected.

    ——

    by nov 08, 2008:
    big bert, the wonderful off season pick up is tied for 662 worst plus/minus in the league…better than only Schneider in Atl.
    _______

    Bertuzzi only got worse as the season went on and is incapable of keeping his worn out body in NHL game shape. please pass. i'm not crazy about hilbert, but as an oiler's fan last year, watching the 'tuz suck as a flames was sweet action.

  108. Lowetide says:

    Conroy had a beauty season, Bertuzzi (unless I've missed something) was the 1996 Rob Deer.

  109. Jfry says:

    @LT

    not being a baseball guy, i had to look that up…wow…tough last season for Mr Deer

  110. digger says:

    For shits/giggles (not a big baseball fan either), I looked up Rob Deer's career stats as well.

    Holy moley.

    How the hell does someone hit 32 HRs in a season, and only get 64 RBI's? That be wacky.

  111. DanMan says:

    Rob Deer LOL, I loved that guy

  112. DanMan says:

    Don't you guys remember Glen Sather's reclamation projects?

    I remember he tried to get Daigle in TC one year, but he wanted to go hollywood.

  113. knighttown says:

    How the hell does someone hit 32 HRs in a season, and only get 64 RBI's? That be wacky.

    Check out Jay Bruce. Before he snapped his wrist:

    18HR/38 Runs/41 RBI batting .207.

    Somewhere Pete Incaviglia was heard saying "Dude. Mix in a single from time to time."

  114. Bruce says:

    Bertuzzi is a big weenie

    DanMan: Fixed that for you.

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