Canucks at Oilers, G8, 09-10

Jean-Francois Jacques made his NHL debut on February 2nd, 2006. 6 shifts, 4:31 time-on-ice. It was a veteran lineup, even the 4th liners (Todd Harvey, Marty Reasoner) he skated with had a lot of experience. This was the team that went all the way to G7, SCF later that spring.

Other notable forwards that night were Ryan Smyth, Michael Peca, Radek Dvorak, Georges Laraque, Raffi Torres, Jarret Stoll. The only current Oilers who played up front that night were Horcoff, Hemsky, Pisani and Jacques.

On October 10, 2009 JF Jacques scored his first NHL goal. Ales Hemsky did a mini-Denis Savard curl and bounced it off the boards to Ladislav Smid. Smid sent a seeing eye single through the ether that looked like Shawn Horcoff tipped and Jacques definitely got wood on for the score.

It was his 64th game in the show and he didn’t have a goal, which was close to a record. I think we need to factor in JFJ’s injury history to the “hands of stone” storyline that keeps popping up in regard to his offense.

First liner? Hell no. However, there are skill elements in his game and the big man has added three assists since the goal (4gp, 1-3-4 E since 10 October). I don’t think he’ll spend a lot of the season on the 1line but that’s not the most important element he’s bringing to his 09-10 game. The secret ingredient? JF Jacques is healthy.

The Canucks are on a bit of a roll right now and despite one of the piss-cutter twins being injured I’m not comfortable this will be a win. Kesler looks like a nightmare again, Jesus in pads can’t possibly play this badly against the “gang that couldn’t shoot straight” Oilers and it looks like Hemsky’s illness may take him out of the lineup again.

The Oilers are led offensively this season (so far) by Dustin Penner, Gilbert Brule and Mike Comrie among the forwards and on the blue by Denis Grebeshkov and Lubomir Visnovsky.

The important elements on defense are Horcoff (faceoffs and PK), an all hands on deck blue and by the “so calm he looks like he’s in a coma” Nikolai Khabibulin between the pipes.

Will they win? Hell if I know. It’ll be fun though. Go Oilers, and it wouldn’t kill you to knock off a loonie on the beer. Sheesh.

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  1. Kristopher Milligan says:

    First line experiment aside, the real question seems to be: Is this the year JFJ turns into an "Actual NHL Player"(tm).

  2. Doogie2K says:

    I hate to spoil your story, LT, but Jacques' first NHL goal was actually March 3, 2009, in a 6-5 OTL to Nashville, assisted by Smid and Stortini.

  3. quain says:

    Horcoff looked a lot better in the Minnesota game… not sure if it's because he had two decent players on his line or if Minnesota just sucks (probably both). If Hemsky is out, I'd like to see the Comrie-Horc-Nilsson line get another shot.

    Nilsson has been legit in his two games this year and if he throws in a third I'd like to see JFJ draw out for Hemsky rather than Rowbear. I think Stone can be an adequate top nine fill in… I haven't seen that same story from JFJ which means he should either be on the fourth line or the PB.

    I'm calling this game a win. Luongo can't play hockey in the first month of the season and we can't seem to miss, so call it 5-3. Which means it's going to be a 1-0 shootout loss.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Doogie: I know, but it's a better story this way. :-)

  5. Woodguy says:

    Finally able to go tonight. Had to give up Montreal and Minny tix due to prior commitments.

    Really want to see the crusty jam brigade of 22,32 and 46 plant Bieksa and Mitchell every chance they get.

    With Salo down these two guys are lugging piles of ice time, its key to beat these guys up and wear them out.

    The fun thing about going to the games this year is that you really don't know what you are going to see.

    If I had one wish, it would be that 27 gets mad at Kessler and beats the crap out of him. If 27 is good for one fight a year, let this be it.

    Really liked hearing the players talk about Khabby with so much confidence. Not getting down when they get scored on because they know Khabby will keep them in it. Mindset is a powerful thing.

    Everyone is right about Khabby being cool back there. It looks like his heart rate never gets above 60.



  6. Black Dog says:

    The Gang That Doesn't Shoot Much, maybe?

    They're sure scoring a ton.

  7. doritogrande says:

    If I had one wish, it would be that 27 gets mad at Kessler and beats the crap out of him. If 27 is good for one fight a year, let this be it.

    I hate Ryan Kesler for playing for Vancouver. And that's the only reason. He's a beauty of a player.

    This is my problem when you live in a town with an AHL team that isn't Springfield. I've watched countless Canucks develop and can't say two bad words about them because they help my hometown team win. Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows, Kevin Bieksa, Jannik Hansen, Alex Edler…They're all great NHLers and I wish they didn't play for Vancouver so they could be properly appreciated. Ah well.

  8. Phil says:

    The Gang That Doesn't Shoot Much, maybe?

    They're sure scoring a ton.

    This is the scary part right now. The team shooting percentage is at 17.2%. That's not sustainable.

  9. ian says:

    Doogie2K, We don need no steenkin fac checkin.
    or from an old Brit sitcom
    "Who is minding the asylum"
    "Sometimes you just have to look them right in the eye and tell them what the truth should have been"

  10. DBO says:

    the shooting percentage is weird right now, with a lot of players on either side of the spectrun.

    Players sure to have a drop:
    Cogliano 40%
    Penner 35.7%
    Brule 33.3%
    Comrie 30%
    Grebeshkov 21.4%

    Players sure to pick it up:
    O'Sullivan 6.7%
    Horcoff 6.7%
    Hemsky 7.1%

    So the good news is we are opportunistic, but our top scorers this season are sure to slow down. The real good thing is that you would expect an increase for O'Sullivan, Horcoff and Hemsky (although i don't know what their career averages happen to be).

  11. Woodguy says:

    I hate Ryan Kesler for playing for Vancouver. And that's the only reason. He's a beauty of a player.


    I was at the Dallas game and posted in the GDT that someone need to beat the %$@! out of Neal. Why? He was killing the Oilers all game with his physical play and was impossible to move off the puck or from in front of the net.

    That's another beauty player.

  12. kris says:

    Regarding shots and SH%:

    I highly doubt that Edmonton will keep either these insanely good SH%'s or these insanely bad shot differentials.

    We're at 23 shots for/game and 32 shots against per game. That doesn't reflect our play and it will get better. (How much better is the big question, which we'll know at the 20 game marker, IMO.)

    Calgary also is at about 24 shots for/game and 33 shots against/game.

    Anyone think Calgary's defense is going to allow that shot differential to continue? Or that Calgary has played that badly and is lucky to be 5-2?

    Right now the sample sizes are too small to look at ANY numbers.

    Give it a few games, and then we can see if we're getting lucky with the percentages.

  13. Icecastles says:

    Don't forget that after his first NHL goal, Steve MacIntyre had a shooting percentage of 100%.

  14. NBOilerFan says:

    Any chance that that this "flu" Hemsky has is moreso then that?… possibly even concussion type symptoms?

    Wouldn't 4 days be long for an NHL player with a seasonal flu?

    Maybe I'm just reading too much into it and hate seeing him miss another game.

  15. Bruce says:

    Stortini 50%
    Cogliano 40%
    Penner 35.7%
    Brule 33.3%
    Comrie 30%
    Grebeshkov 21.4%

    DBO: Fixed that for you. :) But even I, eternal optimist, fearlessly predict that all of the above will see their Sh% drop.

    Players sure to pick it up:
    O'Sullivan 6.7%

    I sure hope so. Believe it or not that 6.7% is higher than the 6.2% POS posted in 2008-09, and perilously close to his career rate of just 7.5%. Don't know why the guy can't seem to finish … to my eye he's playing excellent hockey, but sure can't seem to buy a break around the net.

  16. NBOilerFan says:

    Tencer twittered teh following….

    "Hemsky is on the ice for morning skate but wasn't on a line when they ran them. Game time decision, I'm guessing."

  17. Shaft19 says:

    Tencer's latest "tweet": Hemsky out again tonight. He says he's still not feeling well enough to go.

  18. MattM says:

    God I hate Ryan Kesler. Mostly because he's good and plays for the Canucks, but also because he seems like a real jackass. He's probably top 5 on my "Players I'd like to see get punched in the face" list.

    I'm mildly concerned Hemsky has the swine flu. Hopefully he will be good to go tonight.

  19. geowal says:

    The Canucks are on a bit of a roll right now.

    er., I watched a good chunk of the Friday game at the pub. I wouldn't call that a team on a roll.

  20. Dennis says:

    - I'm worried that the shooting pct isn't sustainable.

    - I'm worried that – at least for tonight anyway – the balance doesn't stand up and 83 isn't there to bail them out.

    - I'm worried that Luongo is about to go on a hellacious tear and begin to right his ship.

    Regarding 19, I have seen that guy get glorious chances ever since he's been an Oiler but it just doesn't seem to go in for him. We've got a bunch of stats that says that's unlikely to change anytime soon so you wonder how he managed to have such an awesome AHL rookie campaign?

  21. Yeti says:

    But Dennis, are you worried about the price of beer at Rexall? Your silence needs to be broken.

  22. CrazyCoach says:

    I'm glad the Oil are playing Vancouver, so that I can actually watch them on TV. That's the good news. The bad news is I have to listen to John Sh*thouse with the call and John Garret with their shameless manlove for the Nucks. Honestly if those two could have their lips surgically removed and sewn to Francisco Aquilini's arse, they'd do it.

  23. the 0 in 0rca is for 0 cups says:

    3-0 oil. vis, sully, and the electric cheeseburger.

    we will, of course, keep on par with at least 3 goals a game.

    hopefully the oil derrick drops on kunsler, piss twin, beeksa, bitchell, and borrows. and the rest.

  24. Ender says:


    If Hemsky has actual flu (Influenza) it's not unusual to be out for a week or more. With some flus, it can take a lot out of you for up to 6 weeks.

    If Hemsky has what most people call flu (gastroenteritis), then he'd likely be ok by now.

    The annoying thing is that sports teams call both "flu" so you never really know how sick a player actually is until they're back.

  25. dubya says:

    This is the scary part right now. The team shooting percentage is at 17.2%. That's not sustainable.

    No, but neither is only taking 23 shots a game. Last year the Oil were near the bottom of the league with 28 S/G.

    So, hopefully a decline in SH% will be accompanied by an increase in S/G. There not gonna score 3.86 G/G as they are now, but it might not be as catastrophic as some suggest. The "not-sustainable" comment can go both ways. If the Oil can get up around 30 S/G and shoot around 10% (like last year), 3.0 G/G is still pretty good.

  26. dubya says:

    Regarding 19, I have seen that guy get glorious chances ever since he's been an Oiler but it just doesn't seem to go in for him. We've got a bunch of stats that says that's unlikely to change anytime soon so you wonder how he managed to have such an awesome AHL rookie campaign?

    I dunno, he's got an amazing release. That shoutout goal was just a great shot.

    He's hit two crossbars. Yeah, they're just close misses but… those go in and he's got 3 in 7 games.

  27. rickibear says:

    Regarding 19, I have seen that guy get glorious chances ever since he's been an Oiler but it just doesn't seem to go in for him. We've got a bunch of stats that says that's unlikely to change anytime soon so you wonder how he managed to have such an awesome AHL rookie campaign?

    The more I watch O'sullivan the more I think Jason Blake.

  28. raventalon40 says:

    If Khabibulin looks like he's in a coma then DesLauriers must be dead already.

  29. Bruce says:

    He's hit two crossbars. Yeah, they're just close misses but… those go in and he's got 3 in 7 games.

    Dubya: I tend to agree. I've been as noisy about O'Sullivan's poor shooting percentage as anybody, but to this point in this season I see it as more bad luck than anything that he only has the one goal. Nobody can stay snakebitten forever, as POS has been his first 26 games as an Oiler. Rather than fixate on results in such a small sample size, I'm more interested in what the guy actually does out there.

    In Patio's case he does waste shots so his Sh% will never be elite, but in truly dangerous situations I like his instincts for both getting in position and for his release. Not all of his shots are low-percentage shots in other words. A favourable bounce or two in off the post or the D-man or whatever will set things right.

  30. Dennis says:

    Yeti: I am a long way from Rexall but in a sign of solidarity, I will agree that, yes, the price of beer should be lowered:)

  31. Black Dog says:

    Solidarity Forever!

    High beer prices anywhere have a negative impact on all of us. I was in a pub the other day and the fellow behind the bar was musing about how he might raise prices – they get away with it at the ACC was his comment.

    I smashed his face!

  32. CrazyCoach says:

    …Whiskeys too rough, Champagne costs too much, vodka puts my mouth in gear. This little refrain should help me explain as a matter of fact I like beer.
    -Tom T Hall


  33. Bruce says:

    Fuckin' Jeter.

  34. danny says:

    Low beer prices = Lots of face smashing :)

    Dennis can probably attest to this, but years ago our local drinking street (George Street) had a price wars happening. For about four or five years many bars started .50 or 1.00 a beer from 7pm to 12pm in order to get customers out early and often.

    The street was quite the party spot, but the local police had their hands full to say the least. At least 3 or 4 brawls happened in the streets each night during weekends.

    Since they set a minimum price of $2.75 per beer/drink, far fewer people go downtown before 12pm. Fights are semi-rare now.

    I'd imagine sitting in front of a bunch of Canuckleheads fans, cheering in their shit disturbish ways, are very lucky beer prices are insane. Otherwise, bottles of bravery take control of the situation in quick order and you wake up the next day with a busted lip and chipped tooth.

  35. hunter1909 says:

    Sorry to butt in but return from a rest where oilers won 2 out of their last 3 games, so I expect they are pretty good under Quinn, lol, and so now we can all finally and totally forget MacTavish ever coached the Oilers, ever.

    Avs in first lol, even funnier if they win this season.

  36. Black Dog says:

    Cheap beer is a recipe for both fun and disaster. Back in the day we used to go to the local union local hall and buy trays of draft, I believe the glasses were 75 cents or some such thing, pitchers were in the six dollar range, soemthing like that, for some reason I can't remember.

    We'd play pool and shuffleboard, get nice and oiled up and then hit the bars where it was (gasp) three bucks or more for a bottle of beer.

    Those were the days.

    Thing is that eleven dollar beers don't really seem to stop foolishness either based on whenever I get out and catch a game.

  37. CrazyCoach says:

    The worst ever sports promotion was in 1975 when the Cleveland Indians held 10 cent Beer night. Game was eventually called in the ninth when fans stormed the field and cause all sorts of ruckus.

    Second worst sports promotion of all time? The Ryan Smyth trade.

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    Absolutely loving my Yankees playing like my Yankees again.

    If only the Oilers had a Jeter.

  39. FlamingPavelBure says:

    I wonder which arena has the costiest beer.

    I doubt anyone would beat this but. here's the price for one beer at the Bell Centre:


    Nah you don't get change for that painting of Jonh Macdonald, nope.

    Anyone can beat this :P?

  40. Bruce says:

    here's the price for one beer at the Bell Centre:

    You can tell that's somewhere else because if it were Edmonton they'd set the price at $10.25 so that the vendors could spend half of their time making change instead of serving the next patron.

    Pet peeve of mine, how everything at Rexall has these oddball prices. If you're already marking up your nachos by 7000%, why do there need to be quarters and toonies in the change? FFS

  41. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lots of talk about Frolov being a healthy scratch tonight.

    I guess it would depend on what the Kings want in return from an Oilers pov.

  42. danny says:

    Pet peeve of mine, how everything at Rexall has these oddball prices. If you're already marking up your nachos by 7000%, why do there need to be quarters and toonies in the change? FFS

    The most likely thing I can think of is that change is more conducive to tipping the staff.

    An ex of mine worked as a waitress, and she easily doubled her income via tips.

    Its the only thing that makes that industry workable when you're being paid minimum wage.

  43. Marc says:

    My favourite bar in the world – a place called the Village Idiot in the Meatpacking District in Manhattan – used to have $5 pitchers of MGD, $2 cans of Pabst Blue Ribbon and $1.50 shots. All day every day. It also had nothing but country music on the juke box, smoking hot waitresses who danced on the bar (the bar in Coyote Ugly was largely based on the Village Idiot), a friendly laid-back vibe with no fighting and none of the pretentious wankers that make so many bars in New York suck.

    It was the best bar ever.

    Sadly the whole area got gentrified, the landlord quadrupled the rent and I think it's now an Apple Store.

  44. Smytty777 says:

    The Basement Pub, formerly across from Safeway on Whyte, was an excellent place for a cheap beer/hi ball. They had comfortable (if not exactly clean) couches, big screen TVs and pool tables. They had a ridiculous drink special every night, even Friday and Saturdays. $6 Jugs, $2 hi-balls, $2.50 shooter specials, there was always something on special as long as you weren't picky (and we weren't).

    I watched many Oiler games through bleery eyes down there. It was a nice dank hole, and is now a parking lot. Much missed.

    Oh, but Moe: the dank. The dank!

  45. CrazyCoach says:

    I grew up in a small town in Northern BC where the local watering hole is called "The Zoo."

    It got the name from all the stuffed animals lining the bar such as the famous "beer cub".

    Characters aplenty, from Pinky Pius, Steakface, and Moosenose to name a few.

    Probably the only bar in Canada where the patrons practice weight lifting when it rains. If you don't lift, the pool table might get soaked from the water leaking in.

    Now that's character

  46. Phil says:

    @Crazycoach – Fort St. John?

  47. commonfan13 says:

    A quick start playing with Kopitar (a guy with way more talent than anyone he could have played with here) and suddenly I'm seeing a lot of Smyth trade bashing on these boards.

    Really? It would have been a good idea to re-sign him to what's turned out to be one of the worst contracts in the league and still be living with that $6.25 million cap figure for another three years?

    I've always thought going with his head and not his heart on that one (which would have been easy to do and would have made everyone happy in the short-term) was one of K-Lowe's better decisions and easily his gutsiest.

    Even if it did end up destroying Mark Messier night, even that gave us the amazing comedy of watching MacT being forced to awkwardly read K-Lowe's speech for him.

    Why isn't that on YouTube?

  48. CrazyCoach says:

    Phil close. It was Fort St. James. Home of Spinner Spencer and Larry Playfair.

  49. hunter1909 says:

    I just was in a city where beer costs euros it's like burning your money lol but then you get to go home and laugh so wtf

  50. hunter1909 says:

    Who have been the best Oilers last week?

  51. spOILer says:

    Is there a small town Alberta that doesn't have a bar named or nick-named "The Zoo"? Seems like there's one everywhere.

  52. Lowetide says:

    Vladdy Guerrero. Pretty much my 2nd favourite Expo (the other being Raines, whose power is so tremendous he once made me cheer for the Yankees).

  53. CrazyCoach says:

    Spoiler they are all mere copies of the original "zoo"

  54. Lowetide says:

    From Islanderspointblank:

    Asked about Schremp, the coach said many aspects of his game have surprised him in a positive way and said he met today with the waiver pickup. “I told him we need more from him.”

  55. commonfan13 says: reporting that Frolov is being benched tonight for LA. Let the trade scenarios begin!

  56. commonfan13 says:

    Stolli and Greene need to storm Dean Lombardi's office and tell him how much they'd love to play with Staios and thecaptainethanmoreau again.

  57. MattM says:


    Bit disingenious to evaluate that trade considering the FA deal he ended up signing, considering that the dollar value to stay in Edmonton was significantly lower.

  58. Bar Qu says:

    Is Frolov really in play? Is he one-dimensional or an actual player the Oil could use?

    I'm asking because I don't care about other teams so much and I don't know the guy.

  59. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Alexander Frolov is a +60 pointer. He's pretty good and normally turns around that 30 goal mark.

    Generally pretty high on his team for the +- mark. I just think that at some extent, some GM are Xenophonics toward Europeans and just can't get theyr game. At even stats they will take the NA guy, even times where the European is better than the NA guy. Grab him while he's cheap.

  60. commonfan13 says:

    Not low enough for a career high 70 point guy who's a lock to miss 10-15 games every other year.

    Plus I think he was determined to test the FA waters that year no matter what. Even if he might have re-signed, I think he would have made us pay through the nose for it.

    And I still loved Smytty. If things had gone different in Game 7 and they'd inked him to an extension right away, I would have loved to watch them raise #94 to the rafters some day.

    Nevertheless, I'll always believe trading him was the right thing to do.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Darren Dreger is one of the best hockey reporters in the game, but his twitter just said "James Duthie just won his first Gemini!"

    I love the Al Gore, but twitter is just a bit below interesting most of the time.

  62. raventalon40 says:


    Except Smyth wasn't asking for 6+ from Edmonton.

  63. Alice says:

    From "Nadir Of Western Civilization To Be Reached This Friday At 3:32 P.M"

    Experts predict that the penultimate catastrophe will occur at approximately 7:15 p.m. Thursday night, when the social networking tool Twitter will be used to communicate a series of ideas so banal they will instantaneously negate the three centuries of the Renaissance.

    So, um, yeah.

  64. Bar Qu says:

    We haven't reached the nadir yet? How much bleaker does it have to get? The peasantry of the early middle ages are already laughing at our society's ignorance!

    Next stop neolithic stone-age without the ability to make our own tools or fire.

  65. PunjabiOil says:

    I just asked Patrick LaForge a bunch of 'tough questions' on

    Patrick will be answering questions throughout the week. Here's your chance gentlemen.

  66. doritogrande says:

    I'll chime in with what used to be the local dive bar for the University students.

    The Lid was its name, nestled in the back of some hotel and located farther than stumbling distance from the dorms.

    The place was a dive, but drinks were 2.25. You got there early enough on a Saturday night (around 9pm) and they gave you "reverse cover". Yeah, that's right. They gave you 10$ to spend that night at the bar. For those without the 2nd grade math skills required, that's 4 free drinks.

    Stupidity ensued.

    One memorable (or at least parts of it) evening my two cousins were in town and we decided to go get schmammered. We're belting back rye and coke all night when out of the corner of my eye I catch a glimpse of the massive projector screens. They're playing the X-rated version of Satisfaction on a 12-foot screen.

    Free booze, porno and pool tables? New candidate for best night ever. And that was before the ride home where I pissed on a rain barrel beside the train tracks and woke up spread-eagle on my bathroom floor without pants.

  67. Black Dog says:

    I'm sorry, I was sitting at dinner and suddenly my Spidey Sense started tingling. Well something did anyhow.

    Did someone say porno?

  68. Lowetide says:

    Jesus Pat, they're going to have to bury you 6 feet, 6 inches under.

  69. knighttown says:

    Mariano Rivera does it again. Death, taxes and Mo's cut fastball are pretty much the only sure things in this universe.

    I'd imagine the KC Royals are watching NY, LA, LA and Philly compete and wondering why they even bother. Wonderful sport but the powers that be will not address the lack of parity so they're cutting their own game off at the knees when 2/3 of the markets have given up on the game, save the odd miracle Florida Marlin run.

    Bettman's a super douche but I'd hug him if I could for bringing a cap into the NHL.

  70. Showerhead says:

    LOL. What a great time to check in for the first time today. I spent all afternoon on a physics assignment, am getting notes from doritogrande for the class I skipped, and I am putting off preparing tomorrow's presentation until after the final buzzer just to take in this game.

    The only thing working against me is the GF working on sewing her (very delightful) halloween costume. It's rather… distracting (in the best way possible).

  71. spOILer says:

    Screw you, Jeter and ARod.

  72. Showerhead says:

    and dorito: Amen to the Lid and it's addictive brand of cheap booze and complete sketchiness. I do have just one awful tale to tell about that place but it's best told drunk because of just how ridiculously its events unfold.

  73. Woodguy says:

    At the game.

    No Brule at pre game skate.

    Hemsky and MacIntyre were out there though.

    One of those two won't play.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Brule has the flu, it's either Hemsky or MacIntyre to draw in. Jeebus.

  75. doritogrande says:

    To Mudcrutch (and the other lawyers lurking).

    You guys must be some kinda different to enjoy what you do. Canadian law is un-intelligible bullshit. And I'm just talking about the area of Natural resources and Environment. I'm quite sure it gets worse the farther I delve.

    Is it supposed to be this boring, cut-and-dry shit? Or does my fat instructor just take everything remotely entertaining out of it?

    Conversely, how the hell does Microsoft Word's Canadian spell-check give the word "metis" a red-underline wrong word thingie, but apparently the word "inalienable" gets the free pass?

  76. Showerhead says:

    I like that we get the "stomach flu" diagnosis so soon after Ender (correctly) pointed out that no one in sports differentiates their illnesses. Appropriate :)

  77. Lowetide says:

    Somewhere in an office tower in Metropolis, a young internet cop is cutting and pasting dorito's post and sending it to Bill Gates.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  78. Bruce says:

    Doug McLean just called Shawn Horcoff "The Seven Million Dollar Man". I know there are "average fans" who don't get the salary cap, but did not this guy used to be a GM in the salary cap NHL?

    (Key words: "used to be". The man is without a clue.)

  79. Lowetide says:

    It's not just MacLean, Sportsnet overall is just putrid. I mean, the Score has a hand saw, three willows and a Fresca and they're kicking Sportsnet's ass.

    They should turn in their cameras.

  80. Showerhead says:

    I think Sportsnet jumped the shark with their whole Eklund at the trade deadline segment. Either that or have just fallen off the cliff since then by coincidence. I remember when I used to consider them very close to TSN's equal.

  81. Bruce says:

    the Score has a hand saw, three willows and a Fresca and they're kicking Sportsnet's ass.

    LT: Hehe and fuckin' aye. RSN's crew is brutal in 6 time zones.

    Alas, I have a direct clash tonight and have to bail just as the game is starting. PVR time, but it's not quite the same.

    Enjoy the game, everybody!

  82. doritogrande says:

    I won't complain about Sportsnet for one simple reason:

    They give me free Oilers games to watch instead of studying.

  83. Steve says:

    Not to defend Doug McLean, but while the cap hit is obviously the more relevant number for almost all purposes, it is a fact that Horcoff is being paid $7 million this year. I don't see a huge problem with invoking that for rhetorical purposes, as long as in 2013-2014 he calls him the $4 million man.

  84. Showerhead says:

    Hemsky playing!

  85. doritogrande says:

    Even sick off his ass, Ales Hemsky still gets in over a healthy Steve MacIntyre.

  86. Lowetide says:

    They're cheap. If they wanted to take a run at TSN they could, just hire Lebrun and Duhatschek along with a talking head and that's your panel.

    They have that cute girl from SK, she could be the host. But they don't have the national games, they don't have the quality hosts and experts and they don't compete.

    Hemsky's IN? Lordy.

  87. Dennis says:

    There was a time when there was a bar named Benders down on George St and the price of a beer corresponded to the year.

    In cents.

    So, I first moved to the city in '93 and every Wed you had 93 cents a beer from 8-12 (and yes you were allowed to buy as many as you wanted just before the clock struck 12.) They had the same thing going on Thurs night but it was a liquor special and I managed to mostly stay away from that because I have Never been able to handle liquor; I can drink beer until the cows come home – though these days I'm a lite beer drinker so it really doesn't count – but give me too much liquor and it's like someone cuts the top off my scalp and removes my brain.

    And I learned another lesson about that this past Saturday night.

    Anyway, during the week leading up to Halloween in '93 the good folks at Benders had a costume parties on Wed and Thurs nights with dual specials being in effect.

    So, you can imagine where this is going.

    I didn't bother to wear a costume down there on the Wed night but I went down and me and a bunch of guys from Labrador who were dressed as the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ended up spending a good penny on Prarie Fires.

    Cut to the next morning and I wake up in bed on my back and I thought there was something wrong with my legs because I was having a hard time moving them. I looked down at the blanket around my feet and I'd pretty much covered the area in vomit.

    And considering I awoke on my back, I realized I was pretty lucky that I hadn't pulled a Keith Moon or a John Bonham.

    But back to hockey:)

    I'd love to get a crack at Frolov because even though he's not the pivot we need, he can play tough min and he's a guy with some size. But there's obviously an issue with his next contract and if the Kings would take back one of our pricey D and if the problems with Frolov are real or perceived.

  88. Woodguy says:

    Hemsky playing.

  89. Dennis says:

    I guess it doesn't mean much but I usually tape an hour of The Score's morning coverage to watch while I ride the exercise bike. On the weekends they end their coverage early for other sports so I have to either tape my highlights off TSN2 or SN.

    I would tell you right now I'd much rather watch SN than TSN. The latter's all fucking gimmicky and trying to be funny while SN will give you highlights of every friggin' game and that counts in my book.

    Tonight's lines according to Debrusk:


  90. doritogrande says:

    I would tell you right now I'd much rather watch SN than TSN. The latter's all fucking gimmicky and trying to be funny while SN will give you highlights of every friggin' game and that counts in my book.

    After waking up to TSN for the last month or so, I'd have to say you're spot on. What's more, the back half-hour of their broadcast rifles through the highlights even quicker so they can get more pity stories in.

    I'd change the channel, but it's enough that I can find the remote in the morning as I'm waking up.

  91. Showerhead says:

    One thing in TSN's favour over sportsnet is that there will soon be a generation of hockey diehards who grew up with Pierre and Gord at the WJHC as well as Bob Cole and Harry Neale in their twilight with CBC. The reverence for HNIC could expire, depending on how CBC holds on to their talent of course but I'm not going to bet they rock the joint on that front.

    And of course… the hockey song. TSN's coup.

    Just my two cents of course.

  92. William says:

    Anyone have a working feed for the game? atdhe doesn't seem to work for me.

  93. Jfry says:

    i second william

  94. doritogrande says:

    there will soon be a generation of hockey diehards who grew up with Pierre and Gord at the WJHC

    That's not a good thing any way you want to say it.

  95. Ty says:

    I hear that has some "moving pictures" of the game, for students who can't afford cable like myself… ;)

  96. doritogrande says:

    Another Manitoba Moose product, that Rypien.

    Pound for pound, probably the most entertaining fighter in the NHL.

  97. doritogrande says:

    Nice pinch by Strudwick leads to a terrible decision by Gagner.

  98. William says:

    This one works though quality is less than great:

  99. doritogrande says:

    Pat Quinn looking positively dapper tonight. That's an opera-type suit there, no onion-belt though.

  100. doritogrande says:

    Grebeshkov on the acid leads to the Canucks goal.

    Beer me.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Wow. Just wow. That's some terrible hockey.

  102. Ty says:

    Man, tape to tape pass by Nilsson!! ….. too bad it was right on a Van players stick…

  103. doritogrande says:


    Hell no man. That was tape to tape to Grebeshkov, who looked like Dustin Penner circa 2008. Lazy play with the puck on his stick.

  104. Ty says:

    Looked to me like Grebs cleared it out from behind the net to the corner where Nilsson picked it up and attempted to clear it from the zone, right to Bernier… but I have a crappy feed, so I could very well be wrong

  105. Black Gold says:
    pw: sgtv
    (you need the sopcast plugin for this one)

  106. Lowetide says:

    Grebs played the entire shift poorly, but I thought I saw a wonky Nilsson pass too, dorito.

    Christ, do they ALL HAVE THE FLU?

  107. doritogrande says:

    Where's Katz with the Rexall(tm) brand chicken soup??

  108. Lowetide says:

    Ethan with another high percentage shot. Some guys wait for traffic or change the angle, but Ethan likes to loft it in there with nothing on it. If the goalie has a heart attack, he might score.

  109. Showerhead says:

    On the turnover, it looked like Nilsson hit Grebs with the puck on his stick but Grebs just couldn't control it. I'd believe flu too because I thought he was Strudwick the last time I saw him chase down a loose puck.

  110. danny says:

    I hope Smid has a place in his memory banks for that dipshit Raymond. Kids at home, don't punch someone in the face and hide behind the ref.

  111. doritogrande says:

    Wow. Hemsky seriously that sick?

    I love watching him and all, but can't that have serious repercussion?

  112. doritogrande says:

    They should post Penner up more often. That looked dangerous at the end of the powerplay.

  113. Showerhead says:

    All of those clearing attempts that Edmonton stopped and then wasted the puck on make for kind of an ugly juxtaposition against Vancouver's goal.

  114. Lowetide says:

    Stortini gets the puck out against two guys, Lupul couldn't do that against one guy. Ever.

  115. danny says:

    One good thing about Quinn not giving the kids (Gags/Cogs) a soft parade high event free pass together, is that the counting numbers wont be inflated through their contract years.

  116. Showerhead says:

    OT: Hey dorito, did you forget to include an attachment in that ENVR mail?

  117. doritogrande says:

    …I may have.

  118. doritogrande says:

    Nice shot Rifles.

  119. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Link for the game please =D

  120. Showerhead says:

    Really Ethan? That's your 2-on-1 pass?

  121. spOILer says:

    Another nice little play by Smid there to gain the zone. He's definitely gained some confidence offensively.

  122. Alice says:

    If Comrie stayed on the gas, it's dead on – the pass missed because Comrie let up.

  123. doritogrande says:

    If Comrie stayed on the gas, it's dead on – the pass missed because Comrie let up.

    Um. Check that replay again. That was Moreau fanning on a shot. Definitely not a pass.

  124. Lowetide says:

    Alice: Good eyes. I saw the play, didn't recognize what happened until reading your post. That's spot on.

    If you're the Oilers, it's a break to be down 1-0 in this game right now.

  125. jon k says:


    password sgtv

    If Moreau still had his hands we might have goals from his line.

    I think the Oilers had a few more chances than the Canucks, despite some extremely sloppy play from the backend in general.

  126. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers look like fighting for the slot! Does anyone know when the last time they did that? Was it in the nineties?
    Comrie and Moreau together is a good for a laugh. But you expect Comrie reads this blog avidly.

  127. kris says:

    I think our problem is all our players are really pixelated, and their skating is too choppy. Sometimes our guys totally blank out for like a minute at a time.

    Also, this game appears to me not to have a puck.

  128. Lowetide says:

    hunter: Put on the tinfoil!

  129. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: No need for tinfoil, I just believed everything Quinn said since the first introductory press conference.

    What I am noticing is, Quinn's got them playing like the 1960's Leafs. They won 4 cups, LOL.

  130. jon k says:

    Kris: I suspect Canucks are using voodoo. The game will disappear and go all black, but when it re-appears the Canucks have scored.

  131. Showerhead says:

    Alice (and LT): hmmm, I will have to keep my eye out for that on any possible replays. I just might have to give Comrie the REALLY treatment :)

  132. Lowetide says:

    hunter: Well the 60s Leafs had oodles of talent, too. I didn't find that period to be very entertaining from an Oiler pov. They played very sloppy in their own end, completed very few passes and generally looked like the 2nd best team on the ice.

  133. Showerhead says:

    I'm from the viewpoint that hits only help win hockey games if you get the puck back…

    …but stylistically I was disappointed to see just the one good hit (by Storts) after they've come out banging so much in the early going this year. You know, for aesthetics.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Yeah but it's the Canucks.

  135. Dennis says:

    I hate Rypien because he's dirty and likes to hit guys from behind. He did it last year on a couple of Oilers (Roy's the first guy that comes to mind) and him and Hordichuck double-teamed a Blue Jacket this year as well.

    BTW, for those american Oilers fans, Yahoo's showing the game for free.

  136. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Hunter: Yes then after came this 40+ year debacle, with the leafs trading Taylor Hall for Phil Kessel!


  137. Lowetide says:

    Showerhead: Keep in mind I'm also watching the hockey game and am nodding off here and there. Also, there are kids in my backyard and a rabbit is also out there.

    I'd shoo him away, but he's talking to the kids and settling them down.

  138. Black Gold says:

    Also, there are kids in my backyard and a rabbit is also out there.

    I'd shoo him away, but he's talking to the kids and settling them down.

    …you been hanging out with Grebeshkov? ;)

  139. hunter1909 says:

    Now that the Oilers look like a winner again, Mister Katz shouldn't have trouble attracting more Russians to the Oilers. Then, to lure Kovalchuck in the new Russian friendly Oilers.

  140. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Tikilive not working… someone shoot me the Ustream feed?

  141. Showerhead says:

    Black Gold: I'd have gone for that exact joke had you not beat me to it. Great minds and all that.

    Speaking of minds, I have to say thank you doritogrande: I'm going through those notes now and the info for the midterm (and there was a note in there about the final too I think) will be invaluable. Huge thanks.

  142. Lowetide says:

    Are you children CHEATING???? Is this where you say "it's an open book test?"

    My son told me his homework was done tonight, I asked to see it and he hasn't done a damn thing.

    Apple didn't fall far from the tree. :-)

  143. Black Gold says:

    FPB, these were all posted already in the thread.
    pw: sgtv
    (you need the sopcast plugin for this one)

  144. Alice says:

    atdhe is working now,

  145. Lowetide says:

    O'Sullivan. He's no good.

  146. jon k says:

    You have to feel badly for Horcoff there. Deserved one.

  147. Lowetide says:

    Note to Shawn Horcoff: I don't mind defending you, but throw me a fricking bone here!

  148. Black Gold says:

    Smyth has a three point night on the go after two periods.

    Horcoffian drop pass? feel bad for him on that one.

  149. kris says:

    I really hope the fans don't turn on Horcoff over his boxcars. More than they have already, that is.

  150. Alice says:

    That puck isn't sitting for anyone tho – Rexall guys do keep them cold don't they?

  151. Lowetide says:

    Sam Gagner wins battles you think he has no business winning.

    Stone hurt in the first, not back yet.

  152. jon k says:

    Alice: the puck has been bouncing like that for at least two years.

    Possible reason is thought to be poor ice at Rexall now but no one knows for sure.

  153. kris says:

    Hemsky: I is take penalty?

  154. jon k says:

    Hemsky doesn't look like he's in game shape.

    How many times has he fanned like that this season?

  155. kris says:

    Hemsky took the penalty for the chance at a breakaway.

  156. Lowetide says:

    Chorney is turning into a real nice player. I think we need to have a long hard look at these wonky NCAA rules about fighting because the game changes so much when you add that physical element.

    Took him an entire year to adjust, would he have taken as long coming out of the WHL? The OHL?

    Of course if he'd been in the QMJHL he wouldn't have been drafted.

  157. Alice says:

    Was it just wide or did Luongo get a bit – couldn't tell from here

  158. Lowetide says:

    Jesus got a piece of it.

  159. Lowetide says:

    Stone injured right leg and won't return. Pouliot close? Reddox? Colin McDonald? Ryan O'Marra?

  160. danny says:

    Tencer twitter: Stone with a nasty looking leg injury.

  161. Alice says:

    Pisani? How long there?

  162. Lowetide says:


  163. jon k says:

    Looks like an absolutely terrible call is coming up.

  164. Smytty777 says:

    LT: You mean is Pisani close right? Pouliot is out for 8-10 weeks after his hernia surgery. I believe Pisani has now started skating though, not sure when he is eligible to return from LTIR.

  165. Alice says:

    Sold that one hard,

  166. R O says:

    Worthy of the whale on that sweater.

  167. CrazyCoach says:

    How many of you poor buggers have the Sportsnet Pacific feed here AKA the roberto Luongo Love CHannel?

  168. Bar Qu says:

    Have to say, I'm not minding Strudwick and Chorney all that much tonight. But I think I am the only guy who defends Strudwick regularly anyways.

  169. Black Gold says:

    khabby is a hell of a pker.

  170. spOILer says:

    Nope. I've got the Khabibulin Love Channel

  171. Alice says:

    Ethan have a hole in that stick? Jesus, get the puck out buddy.

  172. kris says:

    We can play
    LW:Jacques, Penner, O'Sullivan, Moreau
    C: Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, Brule
    RW: Hemsky, Nilsson, Stortini, Comrie

    That's 12

  173. CrazyCoach says:

    Kerry Fraser with a discretionary call.

    I bet dollars to doughnuts that the Kitty Wells Hairpray Company went broke when Fraser started wearing a helmet!

  174. jon k says:

    Chorney is so much better at the NHL than the AHL level it must be some sort of developmental anomaly.

  175. Lowetide says:

    Yeah, I meant Pisani. I've got to stop eating these mushrooms.

    Much better period, seems to me Mel Torme's rebound control is a little bit better tonight.

  176. kris says:

    Crazy Coach,

    Just be happy their play by play guy can read the names and not stutter constantly.

  177. Bar Qu says:

    The Velvet Fog?

  178. kris says:

    Hemsky looking better this period, no?

  179. Lowetide says:

    Yep. And the Mel-Tones.

  180. CrazyCoach says:

    Kris, that's because he works on the phrase, "Nice Save Luongo!" 3 hours per day

  181. Alice says:

    Once upon a time Mike's Dad must have pawned some bad bedroom furniture on our ref

  182. Jonathan Willis says:

    Jon K:

    It's playing with Strudwick. Anyone looks like an NHL defenceman sheerly by contrast.

  183. Bar Qu says:

    I think Mel Torme is what makes Night Court (tv show) memorable for me. That and John Larroquette who was never funnier in anything else he did.

  184. Jonathan Willis says:


    Comrie already got away with interference once; the slashing call was a weak one but other than that I think he's earned it.

  185. CrazyCoach says:

    That's a good one Alice. I remember buying our first colour TV at Bill Comrie's Brick Warehouse way back when.

    Back in my onion belt days

  186. CrazyCoach says:

    Nice to see Patty-O get one tonight. Here's hoping the momentum swings

  187. kris says:

    Mike Brophy on Horcoff

    "the player with the bad hands"

  188. Jonathan Willis says:


    Admittedly, I'm a Horcoff zealot, but by the same token Brophy's an idiot.

    Meanwhile, which breakaway was worse: sick Hemsky, or end-of-shift Horcoff?

  189. kris says:

    Just looked at the injury report on to find out about Pisani. (Didn't say much)

    But is says Souray has a "mild concussion" while Staios has a "concussion."

    I had the impression Souray's was worse. Anybody know?

  190. pboy says:

    Mel Torme on Seinfeld was the best. Kramer had a his mouth frozen with novocaine and he was wearing special workout shoes and they thought he was mentally challenged so they invited him to sit at the head table besides Mel for the Able Mentally Challenged Adults banquet.

  191. Jonathan Willis says:


    Just that they started Staios in another game after he suffered his concussion.

    Maybe that's why it's been upgraded.

  192. Lowetide says:

    This is a big period in the young season. A win in regulation and the Oildrop are in the range with the Avs and Flames. Canucks and Wild in a clear second division.

    Do they have the stones?

  193. kris says:

    Agreed on Brophy JW.

    Horcoff's gotta go on a run though if he wants to stay popular in town. Not saying that's how it should be, but that's how it is. The average fan only knows boxcars.

  194. spOILer says:

    After two…

    Horc getting owned in the FO circle.

    Hits have slowly fallen every game this year it seems, till now we're at an averge of 4 a period.

    Gagner with 3 shots on net but all have been from an "obtuse" angle.

    Only Stortini has less minutes than Nilsson, who certainly looks like he has fresh legs every time he gets on the ice.

    …"Mel Torme" for the calming influence of our aged goalie. Jesus LT that's funny.

  195. Smytty777 says:

    JW: considering Horc failed to get a shot on net and Hemsky was about one inch away from roofing it over Luongo's glove rather than just off it. I'll go with Horc's as significantly worse.

  196. Alice says:

    Well, at least Hemsky's shot was directed Toward the net. That has to count for something.

    as to the ice, the puck should get worse as the period goes, that wasn't the case. Seriously, it was snaky for 3 minutes, Horc's self-deke, but also several passes on the shifts afterwards. We'll see next frame if there's anything to that or not

  197. Jonathan Willis says:


    I think that battle's lost. Honestly.

    But guys getting paid for their opinion need to be brighter than the average fan and I don't think it's true.

  198. Bar Qu says:

    pboy, I had totally forgotten about that one. A classic Mel tv moment before Michael Richards became a pariah.

    JW, I thought that was stupid of Staios to play so soon after. Someone medical should've told him so.

  199. Steve says:

    If we look only at his play this year, Horcoff's not worth a $5.5 million cap hit. He needs to be better at pretty much everything (which is true only because we've learned to expect him to do pretty much everything).

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