Oilers at Bruins, G14, 09-10

In this photo, Dave Schultz is saying hello to Wayne Cashman and Bobby Orr will get the puck. I think this is a SCF photo which makes it 1974. We could use a Cashman. He was rugged, skilled, a master corner man, had an ability to take and make a pass and he was durable. A nice modern comparable would be Ryan Smyth.

Dustin Penner was already the best left winger on the club before he decided to go supernova. This season Penner’s fine play has dwarfed the other LW’s (mostly Comrie, Jacques and Moreau). As much as this team could use a quality, veteran center they could also use a solid left winger. There are some candidates in Springfield, and I wonder if the team may drop off someone while in Massachusetts. Chris Minard? He’s having a very nice start. How long can Steve MacIntyre not play?

The Oilers took a 4-pak of hurt guys (Lubo, Staios, Comrie and Pisani) with them but early word has Comrie and Visnovsky as “possibles” for today and the other two on the trip for the air miles. The Bruins have struggled this season, but I never trust that kind of thing. The Oilers have a way of ending slumps and Boston is a fine hockey club even with all the injuries. Both teams could use Cashman.

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  1. Dakin says:

    You say "tonight" but I hope everyone realizes this game starts at 11:00 AM!!! Jeebus.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Dakin: Good point. I've changed it to today, would hate to see anyone miss it.

  3. Schitzo says:

    Ugh. I'm not sure if I'm minorly hungover or reacting to the flu shot I got yesterday.

    Either way, a lunch beer is sounding tempting. HBomb, where are you? Tell me it's ok.

  4. NBOilerFan says:

    Certainly okay Schitzo… though you might want to make it a "red eye"… at least you'll get a some nutrients as well that way.

    Actally, you have now put the idea in my head… to the beer fridge I go.

  5. Lowetide says:

    I don't know how old any of you folks are, but as you age it becomes really important to hydrate. I'm very late 40's and am at a 1/1 ratio for water/alcohol and maybe that's too drastic (wouldn't want to slow you down!!) but when I was in my 20s I wish someone had told me about the water being important.

    :-)

  6. Schitzo says:

    I hear you, LT. I'm actually normally pretty good about having a couple of glasses of water before bed. But last night my wife decided she was taking me upstairs, and somehow it all just slipped my mind…

    :D

  7. B.C.B. says:

    I am looking forward to the game today. Always enjoyed watching the Bs play. Actually one of my most clear hockey memories involved the Oilers and the Bruins playing the 89-90 Final. I remember sneaking out of bed twice to finish watching game five. I'd sneak under the blanket, under the coffee table, and my Dad would pretend I wasn't there (we, both, got in a lot of trouble when he let me watch/sleep on the coach during the 3OT game one). My mother kept putting me back to bed, but I listen to Mr. Philips for the rest of the night. When the Oilers won the Cup, I walk straight out of bed and demand that I watch 99 accept the cup.

    Oh, today's game: I am drinking water and whiskey this afternoon. A little stronger then LT 1 to 1 ratio. My is more like 3 to 1.

  8. Schitzo says:

    Hey, I know this is a longshot, but does anybody want the first three books in the six-book series Churchill wrote about WWII?

    I ended up with duplicates of the first three books and I hate to throw away books, especially those that are older than LT is.

  9. spOILer says:

    Dammit, LT, I'm trying to forget The Penalty, and you keep bringing up the 74 Final and Orr.

    I know I should let it go after all these years but it still burns. I can still hear my dad's laugh as Clarke, the other Bobby, raised the Cup.

    It started a streak of my teams getting killed in Championships over the next few years (Red Sox, Riders).

    He laughed when the Reds and the Roughies won too.

  10. Black Dog says:

    Water water water and a couple of Tylenol before bed.

    Schitzo – my rule of thumb is to never drink before noon. Luckily its always noon somewhere so you're ok.

  11. PunjabiOil says:

    Brownlee says Visnovsky and Pisani will take the pre-game skate.

  12. Lowetide says:

    That 1974 final still kills me. Sometimes I count it as an unofficial 3rd Stanley for Orr because of that brutal call. Of course if Schmidt had kept Parent in the expansion draft…..

  13. Lowetide says:

    Just in case people have forgotten, the Oilers get killed in these early games. K-I-L-T!

  14. Bruce says:

    spOILer: That Penalty was high on the short list of absolute worst calls I've ever seen. In terms of timing, maybe The worst. Boston down 1-0 in Game 6, pressing hard, and Bill Barber of the Flyers got a break on the counter attack. Bobby Orr, the best player in the world, overtook Barber and stripped him of the puck as clean as a whistle. Somehow Mr. Stripes (Art Skov as I recall) saw an infraction – Barber was an expert diver, the Greg Louganis of the 70s — and whistled Orr off the ice. This in a time where the trailing team could pretty well get off with premeditated murder in the third period, a fact Philadelphia had used to good advantage at times.

    2:22 to go, I'll never forget it. Boston still might have scored shorthanded — Orr was that good — except, oh yeah, it was Orr himself in the penalty box. By the time he got out scant seconds remained and the Cup was lost.

    A criminal call, ranks right down there with the Don Denkinger Muff in the 1985 World Series.

  15. PunjabiOil says:

    Pisani has been activated from LTIR.

  16. Schitzo says:

    For those of us not alive at the time, is there a comparison in the modern era?

    The Gretzky high stick in 1993? Hull's skate in the crease?

  17. Schitzo says:

    Pisani played his college hockey in Boston, did he not?

    A nice choice for a return, if he plays today.

  18. pboy says:

    Gawd I love the mix of baseball and hockey on here. Hopefully one of Pisani or Vish draw into the line-up this afternoon, having them both would be too much to ask for. I know I sound like a broken record but why Macintyre is still with the team and Reddox is with Springfield continues to dumbfound me.

    LT, you are the king of the reverse jinx. Best of luck to the Bruins today!

  19. danny says:

    aparently todays game isnt available in HD?

  20. Julian says:

    Anyone got a decent link to the game?

  21. Dennis says:

    The Oil did well in a couple of early afternoon games last year, LT. They won in philly and car.

    But, Bos has been an absolute fucking graveyard for Edm over the years. The last time they won there was a Sat night in '96 and I believe Michel Petit had a goal.

    Also, I am so hungover today, it's one of the times why you question why you even drink:)

  22. Lowetide says:

    Bruins coach Bep Guidolin: "There were just too many of our guys counting on Orr. He was out there playing his heart out while guys who weighed 200 pounds weren't getting their hair mussed."

    The beginning of the end for Mr. Phil Esposito in Boston.

  23. danny says:

    SN-E and SN-W arent working, the game is on NHL1 without audio… not available in HD anywhere…

    $200 well spent ladies and gents.

  24. pboy says:

    Dennis: That sounds like a job for a McDonald's cheeseburger and a large coke

  25. Dennis says:

    So, I've got the game but there's no audio; fuck, I guess I gotta listen to CHED for awhile.

    Stauffer says 34's gonna pivot 18-46.

    Bruce: did you ever read about the guy who's sportsbook was ruined by that call in '85? I was once reading an old article on SI Vault about a guy who's dream it was to be a professional handicapper. So, I googled him and it turned out he eventually did quit his day job and move to Vegas and start his own book.

    Anyway, he put all his money on the Cards in '85 and when they lost, I believe his Sportsbook was mysteriously "vandalized" or burned down.

  26. Cory Klein says:

    Schitzo – i'll buy em off if you'd be willing to mail em. You have a price in mind?

  27. Bruce says:

    For those of us not alive at the time, is there a comparison in the modern era?
    The Gretzky high stick in 1993? Hull's skate in the crease?

    The Gelinas non-goal in Game 6 v. Tampa? Controversial calls, all, or non-calls as the case may be.

    The Orr call wasn't controversial so much as it was flat out wrong.

  28. Lowetide says:

    At this stage of my life drinking is purely for the joy and buzz. There was a time when it was to "angry up the blood."

    My audio isn't working. I'm enjoying it.

  29. danny says:

    Dennis, any idea why SN-W and SN-E HD are empty channels today? Just the (INFO) and no feed

  30. jdrevenge says:

    ATDHE isnt working for me for some reason. Does anyone have an alternate site i can view todays game at?

  31. Bruce says:

    Looks like wide screen but not HD. No sound either. Fuck.

  32. jdrevenge says:

    got it. cheers oilers mag!

  33. doritogrande says:

    Pisani's back on the ice. Sah-wheet.

  34. Bruce says:

    I absolutely 100% would have started JDD in this game.

  35. Bruce says:

    Not only is there no sound, there's a great big blue rectangle blocking the bottom quarter of the screen to tell us there's no sound.

    Fuckin' SportsNet.

  36. doritogrande says:

    This is actually a pretty cool way to watch a hockey game. No outside influence, I'm forced to actually watch the flow of the game. Which may explain some typos.

  37. PunjabiOil says:

    No Lubomir again. Seems like the coaches are ultra conservative this year. Apparently Visnovsky wanted to finish the game on Tuesday, but Renney wouldn't let him.

  38. Bruce says:

    Nice shot Ethan. How to turn a 3-on-2 into a muffin.

  39. danny says:

    How does Mr Fitness, Ethan Moreau, appear so lethargic and sloth-like?

    The guy is done.

  40. Bruce says:

    Rod's about 4 seconds ahead of the action here. Not sure which is worse.

  41. doritogrande says:

    Haha. Yet my commercials are full audio.

    Gotta get them advertising money for this shit broadcast.

  42. Lowetide says:

    They are going to have to do something with Ethan. He's hamburger helper at this point.

  43. doritogrande says:

    They are going to have to do something with Ethan. He's hamburger helper at this point.

    But he's one of the most respected leaders in the NHL. He's crust, he's jam, he's….he's….

    Useless.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Originally Bruin property? No. The pick was Boston's but they gave it up in the Guerin deal. Oilers had the option of flipping in '01 or '0 and flipped the first year.

    EDM: Ales Hemsky
    BOS: Shaone Morrisson

  45. CrazyCoach says:

    Schitzo just watch pretty much any game in which Cristian Ronaldo plays for Portugual and dives. That should give you a good idea about Bill Barber's proficiency at diving

  46. Steven says:

    Chorney is looking pretty good in this stint with the Oil. So much better than last year…

  47. Bruce says:

    MacT would have had Pisani at centre. Quinn's using Zorg.

    Whatever, it's great to see 34 back out there. Welcome back, Fernando.

  48. grant says:

    Thanks for the heads up people. I had NO idea the game was on so early.

  49. doritogrande says:

    Pisani's definitely not up to full speed yet. He was about a stride and a half off that puck that went for icing.

    Lots of good flow for this game. Jacques is being effective on the forecheck.

  50. Steven says:

    is it just me, or is this an incredibly fast-paced game? The Oil are actually on top of their game so far too. Pisani is flying.

  51. Lowetide says:

    Nice game so far. I'm liking Jacques despite the errors.

  52. Steven says:

    are the D trying to get Hemsky killed?

  53. Smytty777 says:

    A little chaos on that last shift, but very good pace to the game so far. Solid road period at this point.

  54. PunjabiOil says:

    I'm liking Jacques despite the errors.

    What happened with David Staples 'errors' tracking? Seems like that project was abandoned.

  55. HBomb says:

    JF Jacques is better than Ethan Moreau right now. Not that such a thing can be considered much of an accomplishment…

  56. doritogrande says:

    That period lasted less than 30 minutes.

    I feel somewhat cheated.

  57. PunjabiOil says:

    I cringe every time I see Strudwick and Peckham on the ice together.

    Funny game – the Oilers not allowing any scoring chances, but they haven't created any either.

  58. CrazyCoach says:

    Thanks for the awesome feed Oiler Mag

  59. danny says:

    maybe Ethan is injured or in the doghouse and sulking?

    Ive never seen him this ineffective. Fitness isnt an issue. Its compete level at this point and its not there. He seems disinterested.

    Maybe he saw an opening and felt this team could really use some Rob Schremp hockey.

  60. Ribs says:

    Yes, thanks for the feed OilerMag. I'm kind of amazed at the NESN coverage. It's very americanized and is visually very dynamic. I think NBC could learn a lot from these guys.

  61. Ribs says:

    That period lasted less than 30 minutes.

    I feel somewhat cheated.

    Oilers vs. Bruins games have been like this forever. Never any whistles during these games.

  62. Bruce says:

    According to CHED the first took just 27 minutes real time. 6 stoppages total … they didn't even get all their TV timeouts in.

    Too bad, this game could use a two hour glass-breaking delay so that the fuckheads at RSW can figure out a patch.

  63. Dennis says:

    PJO: I'd like to believe the coaches are being more conservative but I sorta think the reason 24 missed so many games is that the hit by Neal was his second concussion in a short time frame and we know those are the instances that really hamper a guy.

    LT: I"m not sure when it's gonna happen but hopefully the Oilers are gonna find a guy that can play with 22 and put the puck in the right corner for him and at the right time. He punishes D and they wind up being afraid of him and we get chances because of it. He's not great at all when it comes to handling the puck but he's certainly a guy that's worth working on.

    Bruce: I'm hoping that JDD gets the call on Monday but I agree with you that it would've been fine had he played today.

    Overall, the Oilers started out with a tonne of turnovers and weren't spending fuckall time in the O zone. 18 in particular couldn't even execute a dump in and just passed it to the B's right D; it's unreal just how done he looks right now. But Edm did a great job of getting in the shooting lanes and that negated all the time spent in their zone.

    They bounced back though and the 89 line had a couple of good shifts as did the 67 trio. I don't expect we'll get much out of the 46 line today and the 10 line are being hard matched with Bergeron and Chara so they're in tough.

    Finally, I had the chances as 2-4 and this team isn't nearly as much fun to watch without 71.

  64. Bruce says:

    LT: Agreed that Moreau has achieved a new plateau of uselessness. Not sure what's wrong with the guy, even his strengths are now weaknesses or simply nonentities.

  65. Bruce says:

    Dennis: The radio boys had the chances at 2-3.

  66. John says:

    Agree with LT and HBomb….Moreau has cap hit of $2.0m and Jacques is as effective offensively (not really effective), hits a ton more and costs 1/4 as much. If we could move Moreau and Nilsson we would have real cap flexibility

    Kid line is buzzing tonight

  67. Bruce says:

    I know the math says it's just +1, but 34 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 33

    If Moreau could pull his head out of his ass we'd have three experienced, responsible players on the fourth line.

  68. James L. says:

    What happened with David Staples 'errors' tracking? Seems like that project was abandoned.

    DS is a little too busy trying to write the latest feature-length article hyping the proposed future downtown arena's "starchitecture".

  69. spOILer says:

    Bruce said…

    spOILer: That Penalty was high on the short list of absolute worst calls I've ever seen. In terms of timing, maybe The worst. Boston down 1-0 in Game 6, pressing hard, and Bill Barber of the Flyers got a break on the counter attack. Bobby Orr, the best player in the world, overtook Barber and stripped him of the puck as clean as a whistle. Somehow Mr. Stripes (Art Skov as I recall) saw an infraction – Barber was an expert diver, the Greg Louganis of the 70s — and whistled Orr off the ice. This in a time where the trailing team could pretty well get off with premeditated murder in the third period, a fact Philadelphia had used to good advantage at times.

    2:22 to go, I'll never forget it. Boston still might have scored shorthanded — Orr was that good — except, oh yeah, it was Orr himself in the penalty box. By the time he got out scant seconds remained and the Cup was lost.

    Thanks, Bruce, that ought to help me forget it.

    ;o)

    2:22 has been burned in my mind since. Far moreso than the time on the clock in Amityville.

    Worst. Call. Ever.

  70. Dennis says:

    Bruce: NESN had the same count; 2-3. BTW, NESN really does do a good job with the games and I find they're thankfully a bit muted this year given how their team's fallen a little bit;)

  71. Bruce says:

    We got sound!

  72. Bruce says:

    Another muffin from POS. When in doubt …

  73. Woodguy says:

    I think the new coaching staff see 18 for exactly what he is; old, slow, useless, and are using him as such.

    18 was used to getting his 3LW ice time regardless of his effectiveness.

    I think he's pouting.

    Great leader.

    No HD, but sound now.

    I prefered HD and no sound.

  74. PunjabiOil says:

    The video quality is worse in the 2nd period, I think.

  75. HBomb says:

    Watching Chara play, it's little wonder he won the Norris last year. News flash – when you beat out Nik Lidstrom for that thing, you are pretty damn good.
    And Patrice Bergeron, a personal favorite of mine, is the reason the Bruins probably let Savard walk (and join Kessel in TO) next summer.

  76. Woodguy says:

    NHL rule 13.d.
    Picking up Hemsky and slamming him dow shall not be a penalty.

  77. doritogrande says:

    Keep your head up kid. Peckham gets wreckingball'd.

  78. Black Dog says:

    Regarding Moreau, I think he's done anyway but apparently at least one of his kids have/had H1N1, maybe he's got it as well or perhaps his mind is on his family?

  79. Lowetide says:

    Bruins taking over the game now, I'd bet we get a goal either way in the next couple of minutes.

  80. PunjabiOil says:

    I think Savard goes back to Calgary, and replaces Jokinen. He was close to signing with them last time around.

  81. doritogrande says:

    Our coach did That? to the greatest defenseman that ever lived?

    Wow.

  82. PunjabiOil says:

    I feel I'm going to feel the same venom against Theo Peckham that I had against Matt Greene.

  83. Smytty777 says:

    Oilers have the suck knob cranked up this period.

  84. HBomb says:

    BDHS: So Moreau's kid has had H1N1 since the beginning of last season?

    Chara is getting away with stuff on a level on par with Pronger, Niedermayer, and Lidstrom. Having a Norris sure does seem to give a guy some degree of carte blanche, no?

  85. Bruce says:

    OTC looked like Ugly on that clip.

  86. doritogrande says:

    I think Savard goes back to Calgary, and replaces Jokinen. He was close to signing with them last time around.

    An Iginla-Savard-Whoever line would probably murder us three times before we hit the ground.

    That notion is Halloween scary man.

  87. Scott says:

    I dunno, PJO, Bourque is a major key to the Flames depth on offense and he'll be due a big raise next year.

    I don't see Savard signing for 4.5MM.

  88. danny says:

    Peckham/Strudwick corsi must be FUGLY

  89. Steven says:

    I love how Hemsky just tossed that one back to Struds, like F* Off, I'm not getting killed for that! lol…

  90. Bruce says:

    I feel I'm going to feel the same venom against Theo Peckham that I had against Matt Greene.

    PJO: Do you have this irrational hatred of all developing young players? Or just of the ones who are big and physical?

    They all make mistakes, you know. Especially in their first 100 games.

  91. Bruce says:

    Peckham/Strudwick corsi must be FUGLY

    Peckham -10
    Strudwick -8

    Also, 10-27-83 all -8

    Egads

  92. Woodguy says:

    HD feed back on SNW

    Wow 43 with 3 consecutive giveaways.

    Oilers are trying to pass the puck into then net, just like OTC claims.

  93. doritogrande says:

    Stop with the fucking slapper on a partial breakaway.

    What I wouldn't give for a power move once in a while.

  94. Steven says:

    Yeah, O'Sullivan and Gagner are going to make power moves… Lol…

  95. Bruce says:

    By my count that's 5 (attempted) slapshots for Gagner in this game. Wazzup with that?

  96. Dennis says:

    Theo Peckham is absolutely fucking brutal.

    Just mind-bendingly awful when it comes to handling the puck.

    The Oilers only have four scoring chances in ~36 min so the kid's got plenty of company but he turns nothing into something for the opp.

    Awful.

  97. pboy says:

    They all make mistakes, you know. Especially in their first 100 games.

    Particularly when they are being paired with a glorified 7th d-man who has zero skill set. I think Peckham will be fine but he needs a better partner who doesn't treat the puck like a hand grenade.

  98. Bruce says:

    Gilbert 6 miles behind the play for an odd-man rush against, then makes the great stretch pass sending the puck the other way.

  99. HBomb says:

    Horpensky NOT having a good night. They've turned the puck over a ton at the oppositon blueline and I think have managed to establish a sustained cycle in the Bruin end just once.

    We never do well in Boston. In fact, I think last time the Oil played there (Feb 2007), we got shutout.

    You know who is having a really good game though? Nilsson.

  100. Black Dog says:

    HBomb – lol

    Moreau just has looked like he has nothing in the tank the last couple of weeks, that would seem like flu to me.

    If not then if they ever get healthy he's coming out of the lineup I would have to guess.

  101. Steven says:

    Man, you guys are so negative. The Oilers are doing pretty well, I'd say. 2 periods on the road and we're still not losing to a better team…

  102. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Someone shoot link for the game :P?

  103. PunjabiOil says:

    Lordy

  104. doritogrande says:

    Ladislav Smid saved a goal.

  105. Steven says:

    Smid = awesome

  106. Bruce says:

    Did Dennis Grebeshkov just turn into a pillar of salt before our eyes?

  107. HBomb says:

    Ladislav Smid has arrived as a top four D-man, gentlemen. My suggestion would be that as soon as everyone is healthy, Grebeshkov is shopped.
    Also – I do not like O'Sullivan's game one bit today.

  108. PunjabiOil says:

    Get a point tonight and we did well.

  109. Smytty777 says:

    Oilers are getting outplayed significantly right now, but if they squeak a point out of this without Lubo, Souray and Staios in the lineup that's a win in my books.

  110. Woodguy says:

    Uh oh.
    18 took the last shift with 19-67.

    I hope 22 just had an equipment problem.

    5 became a veteran over night. So awesome.

  111. Bruce says:

    Smid was great on that sequence, doing his job and Grebeshkov's as well. Nilsson with a fine defensive play moments earlier.

    And by the grace of the hockey gods, that's five straight regulation periods between these two clubs without a goal.

  112. FlamingPavelBure says:

    And now, with the off-season working his magic on Ladi Smid, and now he makes the situation of the Dmans all less worst, as you can now trade one of the puck moving guys.

    Thank you Ladislav :P

  113. danny says:

    Dennis and other easternish NHLCI users: HD Feed is back on NHL2

  114. Lowetide says:

    O'Sullivan has to be better, Cogliano too. The top line isn't going to get us much at evs this game so the PP or someone (kids?) is going to have to score.

    Bruins look big and huge, which is your basic nightmare.

  115. PunjabiOil says:

    I don't see any reason to move Grebeshkov. None.

    Defencemen always get hurt, so you can never have enough top 4 defenceman.

    You first get rid of the guys that are hurting you the most in terms of cap hit. Moreau, Staios, Pisani, and Nilsson are all guys you look to get rid of before trading top 4 defenceman.

    I'm also not adverse to moving POS this year. It's appearing more and more every game he's not carrying the weight of his salary, and that he'll be a perimeter type of player. With MPS, Eberle, and Omark appearing to be ready to step to the NHL next year, I really don't think we'd miss POS much, and he probably still carries some trade value.

  116. Dennis says:

    12 IS having a good game today, lots of compete in him this afternoon.

    I have the Oil being outchanced 7-17 and they get outchanced all the time so it's obviously a problem.

    I guess we can't expect to be good considering we're missing all these D but it's tough to watch with the Oil being outplayed just about every night.

    And this B's team isn't all that great so we shouldn't be getting schooled like this by them.

  117. CrazyCoach says:

    Dorito Grande-Are you talking about the Mighty Quin laying out Bobby Orr at the Gahden? Quinn said after the game, as a rookie, he had to go get the beer for the bus, which might have been a little difficult seeing he just knocked out the unofficial mayor of Boston. Well luckily for Quinn he went to Sharkie's Bar, which was an old Irish bar, and he said if his last name wasn't Quinn, he would not have finished his rookie season.

  118. Ribs says:

    By my count that's 5 (attempted) slapshots for Gagner in this game. Wazzup with that?

    He's being outskated on every rush. It's hard to get a wrister with any kind of velocity off when there's a guy with a stick in your mitts right behind you.

  119. Gerta Rauss says:

    PJO

    What is Moreau or Nilsson or Staios going to get you..?

    Agree with you on POS…he's Eric Cole all over again.

  120. doritogrande says:

    What.The.Fuck. Is Principe wearing?

  121. mc79hockey says:

    Anyone got a link for a feed?

  122. Traktor says:

    If anyone taped the game go back and watch the play O'sullivan made in the first period with about one minute left to play. About the softest player I've ever seen in my life.

  123. Bruce says:

    Strudwick with 0 official giveaways. The minor official must have thought this was a night game.

    Horpensky with 0 shots, combined Corsi of -29. Horc 3/11 on the dot. No possession time, no zone time.

    LT: Powerplay? What's that?

  124. Bruce says:

    Geno is the cock of the walk. I think.

  125. Icecastles says:

    MC79: Game Link.

    It's the US feed though. Don't know if anyone's found a Sportsnet one.

  126. PunjabiOil says:

    PJO

    What is Moreau or Nilsson or Staios going to get you..?

    You take what you get.

    I'd imagine there still is a market for Moreau given his ''grit'' and the fact he'll have only 1 year left on his contract.

    Nilsson is a young guy, so some team might take a shot at him.

    Sutter got rid of Vandermeer, who had a contract comparable to Staios, so there should be some type of market out there for him.

    Alternatively, if you can't find an interested third party, send them down to Springfield. That's hockey – that's business. Of course that would require some level of commitment from Daryl "I haven't shown my face in public since July 2007" Katz.

  127. Gerta Rauss says:

    I'm not aruging with you PJO,all valid points.
    I'd drive all 3 to the airpot given the chance.

  128. PunjabiOil says:

    Fuck you Peckham

  129. Gerta Rauss says:

    ummm…airport….

  130. PunjabiOil says:

    Quinn is to blame here though. Puts the 4th line and Strudwick/Peckham out there on an own zone draw, and the rest is history.

  131. Icecastles says:

    Seems like their was a certain degree of inevitability in that goal. Sigh. Maybe the scoring will open right up now.

  132. CrazyCoach says:

    Why are 43 and 49 on the ice? Can someone please tell me why? If we have 4 legitimate top 4 D, play them and everyone else have a seat.

  133. Woodguy says:

    Peckham loses his stick and 18 just stares at him.

    Christ.

  134. PunjabiOil says:

    If this was a March game, Visnovsky would have been allowed to play. But it's only October, these losses don't matter.

  135. Woodguy says:

    Be nice to see the Oilers get a powerplay.

    Its not like the Bruins have been getting away with murder, but they could have been called 5 times at least and they have not had a penalty.

    27 switching lines.

    Would like to see him with 89-12

  136. Smytty777 says:

    CrazyCoach: What else can you really do? Realistically this team is still not healthy, you can't kill your top 4 by not playing Peckham and Struds. They have more games to play this week.

  137. LittleFury says:

    Would have liked to see penner spear Chara there. Hateful, hateable team, the Ruins.

  138. PunjabiOil says:

    That's the game.

  139. HBomb says:

    Trade Grebeshkov.

  140. andy grabia says:

    Nice move by Quinn forcing Julien to play Chara against either Penner or Hemsky, and not both. Too bad the game is already over.

  141. Woodguy says:

    This ones over.

    37 decides to stop skating for no good reason to give up the 2-1.

    This looks like boys against men and the B's are missing Savard, Lucic, etc.

    *sigh*

  142. HBomb says:

    Smid saves another goal.

    PJO: you trade Grebeshkov because he's going to be your fifth best defenseman and will want 4 million a season. Pretty simple. He'll have value as a puckmoving D to help upgrade the forward corps.

  143. Hockey Noob says:

    For the love of … can we get a vet blueliner, so we don't run Chorney, Peckham, and Strudwick?

  144. Ribs says:

    Poor Smid. He's playing a lot of tough hockey tonight and not getting much help.

  145. PunjabiOil says:


    PJO: you trade Grebeshkov because he's going to be your fifth best defenseman and will want 4 million a season. Pretty simple. He'll have value as a puckmoving D to help upgrade the forward corps
    .

    GMs don't base organizational decisions based on 10 games.

    Already forgetting Grebeshkov's strong season last year?

  146. Bruce says:

    Hemsky with the Brutal turnover on that second goal. had full possession with nobody around, made a fancy move pullingthe puck into his skates, and lost control. Grebs obviously didn't help matters.

    If we need our best players to be our best to win, we have No chance on a day like today. The big money guys have been MIA.

  147. CrazyCoach says:

    Smytty, true enough.

  148. Lowetide says:

    We've moved from Barbara Ann Scott to Barbra Streisand.

  149. HBomb says:

    PJO: His "strong season" came against middle of the road opposition with the best partner available.
    Straight up, it's him or Gilbert, and when you add his RH shot to the fact Gilbert is flat out a better all around D-man than Grebeshkov, it should be obvious that 37 is a trade asset at this point.

  150. Jfry says:

    "I guess it's just the way Pat and Tom just let me play," Penner said."They don't get too critical. They just let me play my game. My one year in Portland (in the American Hockey League), I just played hockey and ended up getting 39 goals and 84 points. The coach there, Kevin Dineen, he just let me go play my game."

    sounds likedustin is playing sugartits hockey

  151. Black Gold says:

    Chara is a big dude.

  152. CrazyCoach says:

    I miss Lubo.

  153. Smytty777 says:

    Oilers are just giving points away with this D lineup.

  154. PunjabiOil says:

    PJO: His "strong season" came against middle of the road opposition with the best partner available.

    His +12 lead the Oilers last year (Shawn Horcoff was 2nd at +7). No need to add quotations around strong season.


    Straight up, it's him or Gilbert, and when you add his RH shot to the fact Gilbert is flat out a better all around D-man than Grebeshkov, it should be obvious that 37 is a trade asset at this point
    .

    The better option would be trading Sheldon Souray, if you deem it neccessary to move a top 4 defenceman at all. The guy has missed a number of games since he signed the contract, and may not neccessarily coincide with the Oilers rebuilding efforts.

    Just because Smid has arrived doesn't neccessarily mean he's a better option than Grebeshkov. Besides, Smid better replicates Staios's skills (grit, shut-down qualities, PK, etc.) as opposed to Grebeshkov (moving puck quickly north, jumping into the offense, etc.)

    Your argument is not much different from the HF guys keen on moving Horcoff.

  155. PunjabiOil says:

    Oilers are just giving points away with this D lineup.

    They should have let Visnovsky play. Guys around the league play through the flu all the time.

  156. Ribs says:

    Shut out three games in one week. Ouch.

  157. shanetrain says:

    Holy fuck this Oiler team sucks right now.

    Paging Steve Tambellini .. hello?!

  158. CrazyCoach says:

    Never missed Lubo quite so much as I do now.

    Smid has arrived. I can't say that enough.

    Strudwick should be in the pressbox with Nilsson beside him.

    Love that fact that Stortini works hard every shift, but my washing machine works hard to and it wouldn't be playing a regular shift.

  159. HBomb says:

    PJO: Comparing me to HF guys? Stuff it. Seriously.
    Grebeshkov's skill set is duplicated by Visnovsky and Gilbert, that plus/minus last year by opposition and QUALTEAM, and he's going to want more money than he's worth.
    My logic is solid. Yours is what needs reviewing.

  160. shepso says:

    just out of curiosity, what the hell was that? Did I seriously just spend 2 hours watching a hockey game? The NESN guys kept talking about the pace of the game being incredible, but that didn't look like much of anything. And effectively this team now has seven goals in their last 5 games. Yikes. Not good news.

    Ok, now that I have wasted what could have been a great afternoon of homework, I am going to do some homework. Happy Hallowe'en? Not for this guy…

  161. Bruce says:

    I'd rather have a washing machine that actually works than a Lamborghini with its head up its ass.

    Or something like that.

  162. CrazyCoach says:

    Very True Bruce. Is that washing machine Nilsson by the way?

  163. Ol' Jase says:

    Hbomb:

    Your logic is solid, and a few of us HFclowns agree.

    Is this a guy you sign long term to $3.5M+?

  164. shepso says:

    @ PJO, I have to agree with H-bomb on this one. If (and only if) there is a defenseman to trade this year, it has to be the one whose contract is only a one year deal. At the moment he's not playing like a 3.5 million dollar man. The blind passes and soft coverage is killing the team right now. Ok, to be fair, the lack of goals is killing the team right now…
    I don't like the idea of trading any of the puck movers, but based on numbers, prospects and potential, I think 37 has to be the one to go. It's too bad, because when he is on the ball, I actually think he has more upside than Gilbert does, but when he's off his game, he's almost as defensively horrible as 43 and 49.

    I don't know, I just don't get the team this year. They are completely different away from the Rex. I don't want to claim that the sky is falling (it isn't…it's just a game) but I am lost trying to figure out what this team is actually capable of. They, as OTC has stated, are a fragile group and I don't think they are really sure who they are or what they can do as of yet. But these soft efforts, especially by guys like thecaptain and trying to be too cute against big, trap happy teams is not a recipe for success. The oilercoaster ride continues…

    Ok, now homework…

  165. godot10 says:

    //For the love of … can we get a vet blueliner, so we don't run Chorney, Peckham, and Strudwick?//

    There is the "small" problem of the salary cap. 3 defenseman injured is tough. Peckham himself is coming off of an injury and hasn't gotten enough games in before being called up.

    Visnovsky is short term. Staios is travelling.

  166. Woodguy says:

    Shutout in the last 3 of 4 games with all the "offensive" players in the line up.

    It should be noted that this streak corresponds with 27 playing with Hemsky.

    Those two on one line depletes all secondary. They just didn't need any secondary scoring against the Jackets and the Wings.

    OTC finally moved 27 off of 83's line, but by then it was too late. Chara played against 27 whatever line he was on. Other coaches will do that too, and free up 83 from playing against 1-2D all the time.

    I really want to see:

    13-10-83
    27-89-19

    in the top two lines.

    Ineffective forwards in the last 4 games given their ice time:

    89,13,12,19

    None of these guys can keep the cycle going with any regularity.

    We really could use a 2LW with size and skill.

    12 had a decent game, backchecked well, but still not strong enough on the puck in the Ozone.

  167. PunjabiOil says:

    PJO: Comparing me to HF guys? Stuff it. Seriously.

    I compared your 'evaluate based on last game' mentality to HF, but by the sounds of the rest of your argument, your posting style was akin to an HF poster.


    Grebeshkov's skill set is duplicated by Visnovsky and Gilbert, that plus/minus last year by opposition and QUALTEAM, and he's going to want more money than he's worth.
    My logic is solid. Yours is what needs reviewing
    .

    Grebeshkov is still young and will improve over the years. That's not to say you can't trade him, but he is a top 4 guy, and your top 6 defenceman rarely stay healthy for the year. I'd be more interested in getting rid of the dead-weight cap guys in Moreau, Nilsson, Pisani, and Staios before moving a bonafide developing top 4 guy.

    Lets put is this way – the Oilers losing games lately has more to do with injuries than Grebeshkov/Gilbert.

  168. Schitzo says:

    Cory Klein: Beats me if they actually have any value, I'm happy to throw them in the mail if you want them.

  169. Lowetide says:

    I thought Nilsson had one of his better games. Just saying.

  170. kinger says:

    PJO: Comparing me to HF guys? Stuff it. Seriously.
    Grebeshkov's skill set is duplicated by Visnovsky and Gilbert, that plus/minus last year by opposition and QUALTEAM, and he's going to want more money than he's worth.
    My logic is solid. Yours is what needs reviewing.

    I think that durability and age are the most significant factors in choosing which defenseman we should move.

    If i'm GM, 44 (his NMC is expiring at the end of the season) gets moved in the offseason. As much as I like his game, I think the physical part of his skillset (what sets him apart from 71, 37 and 77) is easily replaceable through the FA market.

  171. Ol' Jase says:

    So if Souray gets moved (probably makes the most sense), what kind of contract does one offer Grebeshkov?

    If Grebs is looking for a 4-5 year deal, does he take around $3M per?

  172. HBomb says:

    PJO: I am not going to argue the point about Moreau and Staios for a second. You can effectively replace the contributions of those guys for about 1.2 million total at this point. Which equates to 3.5 million of dead cap space.

    Nilsson I think still has value, and Pisani's contract is expiring and I believe the Oilers could re-sign him at a greatly reduced rate next summer, barring him going on a goalscoring tear.

    Grebeshkov as an asset, to me, is more about improving this team than it is a cap concern, but there is some consideration that has to be given to what he wants versus what the Oil should be willing to pay him.

  173. kinger says:

    Shutout in the last 3 of 4 games with all the "offensive" players in the line up.

    It should be noted that this streak corresponds with 27 playing with Hemsky.

    I agree with your general premise Woodguy. I would like to see Quinn go back to the idea of 'duos' that we talked about going into the year.

    ?-10-83
    27-89-?
    91-19-?
    ?-67-13

  174. Dennis says:

    I know we have to live with the growing pains of young 49 and perhaps the kid's hurt but right now 41 might be a young fella who can hang in the 6 slot if he's paired with a vet. Him and 77 came out fine today and Gilbert laid back and let the kid jump up and take a chance or two and it seemed to work well.

    I mention this as a starter because outside of giving 13 a chance in the top six, there really don't appear to be a lot of in-house options.

    You're probably just as stuck with 24's contract – though the Vandermeer and Rivet deals come joyfully to min – as you are with 18's so let's pick one of the top four to move and then have 24-41 as the third pairing.

  175. Lowetide says:

    Grebeshkov needs to be more consistent if he wants to make the big money. And that's not just in EDM but all over the NHL. If you look at the Smyth trade, what did COL get back?

    Value priced two-way D.

  176. Jfry says:

    since everyone is calling for trades…i'm just curious what we really think POS's value is?

    i'm not impressed with him at all. lots of crap wrist shots from 3 feet inside the blue line. and while he's 'positionally' sound (to a degree), he's not "hard" on the puck. he'd be my candidate to trade for a 3C or a LW, rather than trading one of the D.

  177. PunjabiOil says:

    In the last 5 games, only 1 forward has scored a goal not named Horcoff/Hemsky/Penner.

    The Oilers depth is just not getting it done. This falls on POS, Cogliano, Gagner, Nilsson, Moreau, Brule, etc.

  178. Woodguy says:

    Tencer makes a good point.

    One of the most effective players for the Bruins today was Sobotka.

    Listed at 5'10" 180 lbs.

    Out battled both 49 and 18 to get the puck for their 1st goal and went to the net well on their 2nd goal.

    13, 12, 19 and 89(kinda) should watch some tape on how Sobotka played today.

  179. Traktor says:

    Horcoff only has two 5×5 goals in the last 32 games.

    What a player.

  180. Lowetide says:

    Traktor: I'm glad you agree. He's a beauty player.

  181. Dennis says:

    19's a hard guy to peg. At some point you have to think his 47 goal rookie A campaign was akin to the year that Smid actually had points down there;) but that's not to say the kid doesn't have value.

    I always find he finds himself in great positions to score but he really does; sometimes he's hard on the puck and sometimes he isn't and when we always talk about how we need that extra guy to round out the top six, we pencil him in as the 5th guy but he's not consistently productive.

  182. Bruce says:

    Woodguy: I just made the identical point in the postgame thread over at Copper & Blue. I have Sobotka slightly larger at 5'11, 193, but he was a bigger man than most of the guys wearing white today. Won a ton of puck battles, played with smarts and edge. He was first star in my book … well, maybe Chara had a bigger influence. (The goalie? Spare me)

  183. Bruce says:

    Dennis: Is POS $925 K better than Nilsson? He's probably an upgrade, but not a major one. I'm just not seeing value for money here.

    How did you score the scoring chance "battle"?

  184. HBomb says:

    Oilers who were "good" today in my books?

    Khabibulin, Smid (best Oiler IMO), Brule and Nilsson all caught my eye.

    Gilbert and Gagner were OK. The rest? Everything from mediocre to Grebeshkawful.

  185. Traktor says:

    I'm going to be the scariest looking guy at my Halloween party tonight.

    I have decided to dress up as Shawn Horcoff's contract.

  186. Ribs says:

    Sounds like a pretty dull halloween party, traktor.

  187. HBomb says:

    Traktor: who else is invited? Terry Jones and Doug McLean?

  188. Traktor says:

    Yep, they will be there.

    I was going to invite Horcoff but he has a habit of not showing up.

  189. HBomb says:

    Traktor: I wouldn't bank on Cogliano making it either then, based on the season thus far.

  190. Traktor says:

    Horcoff total PP time 44:31
    Cogliano total PP time 6:30

    Horcoff PP points: 2
    Cogliano PP points: 2

    There's a difference between not showing up and not being given an opportunity.

  191. HBomb says:

    Traktor: Cogliano's been an non-factor most nights and has been pretty much invisible since he scored the goal in Chicago over two weeks ago. Frankly, he hasn't earned an opportunity on the PP.

    Horcoff's got a longer track record backing him up, not to mention the ability to, you know, win a faceoff (which can help with scoring PP goals, since it gets your team possession sooner rather than later).

  192. Jfry says:

    why isn't cogliano given a better chance?

    He's been putting up consistent offensive numbers in "limited" opportunity. But this is two coaches in a row that have pegged him a developing third liner and we tried to trade him in the summer.

    He obviously has weaknesses, but given the teams we're icing, his downside isn't any bigger than most the other LGs (little guys) other than faceoffs.

    Anyhow I've always been curious why he hasn't been given a better opportunity. at camp he said he was prepared to play left wing if that's what the team wanted him to do, so why not give him some minutes on the LW in the top six and a little PP time…see what we really have before we ship him out at the end of the year because of the RFA situation?

  193. Traktor says:

    "Horcoff's got a longer track record backing him up"

    Sure, considering Cogliano scored more goals than Horcoff last year.

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