A Quality Taylor?

During MacT’s 8 seasons as Oilers coach his team sent a lot of rookie defensemen to the majors. There were high picks and low picks and kids who didn’t get picked in the draft. There were juniors and college seniors and puck movers and stay-at-homes. There were Canadians and Americans and Russians and there were studs and there were duds.

It is important to remember that there were also kids who played when they were too young but the organization wanted them at the big league level for one reason or another. Here are the significant defenders who made the grade during the MacT era in Edmonton, followed by the year they played and their minutes that season:

  1. Tom Gilbert (07-08) 1820
  2. Ladislav Smid (06-07) 1481
  3. Marc-Andre Bergeron (03-04) 953
  4. Alexei Semenov (02-03) 905
  5. Jan Hejda (06-07) 795
  6. Ales Pisa (02-03) 622
  7. Matt Greene (05-06) 303
  8. Danny Syvret (06-07) 295
  9. Mathieu Roy (06-07) 226
  10. Scott Ferguson (00-01) 218
  11. Theo Peckham (08-09) 174
  12. Taylor Chorney (09-10) 168 and counting
  13. Bryan Young (06-07) 151
  14. Kari Haakana (02-03) 103

Chorney didn’t make the team out of camp but was called up early on because of all the injuries along the blue. His first game was October 12, and it came about pretty much as predicted. In the post “Training Camp Hopeful #2: Taylor Chorney” on August 30th I wrote this in regard to his chances of playing in the NHL this season:

  • The Oilers usually play their top end D prospects for a game or two in year one, maybe 3-to-5 the next and then get serious about his future after that’s done. Peckham is ahead of him in this way but after that Chorney’s next up and his skill set is unique enough that he could get the call earlier than we think based on who gets hurt. That’ll depend on training camp and improvement at the AHL level in 09-10.

Which brings us here. Geoff Ward said Chorney is “steady in all areas; a strong passer, moves the puck well and what I really like is that after he moves the puck he follows it up the ice so he’s always in a position to be the 4th man.” And that’s how he appears to be developing in the show, a puck mover who can jump into the play.

How useful can he be as a rookie? To the naked eye he already looks ahead of both Strudwick and Peckham, which would put him 7th on a healthy depth chart (Lubo, Souray, Gilbert, Grebs, Smid, Staios) and could push Strudwick onto the IR or into retirement. He’d really have to earn it, though. Strudwick is a very popular player both with the media and apparently as a teammate.

There’s also injuries and that should keep him in Oilerville until close to Christmas based on what we’re reading about Souray. The question then becomes “is he any good?” and the answer is probably “yes, in a narrow view.” Chorney can move the puck but he isn’t going to impact games offensively at this point in his career. His Corsi number is -22.19, well clear of Strudwick and Peckham. He’s not facing the vaunt but isn’t playing the weakest opposition either. If the Oilers had all of their cannons pointed in the same direction (making the playoffs) then moving in a veteran NHL defender would be a priority, but the Oilers (as the list above proves) often play these kids earlier than optimum.

Chorney’s boxcars are 10gp, 0-1-1 E at this time. If the question was “should the Oilers acquire a veteran defender if Souray’s injury looks like it will cost his season?” the answer is yes, but I think the question the Oilers are asking is “can we count on Chorney to play at a level that won’t get him and us killed before Christmas?” and incredibly the answer may be yes.

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66 Responses to "A Quality Taylor?"

  1. Traktor says:

    The Mathletes were obviously wrong about Chorney but I don't even think the seen him good crowd could have expected this.

    The kid looks like a 1000 gamer.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Traktor: His AHL season was a disaster by math or by eye, previous to that both math and scouting liked him fine. The mystery (as I mentioned earlier in the week) is that AHL season.

  3. shanetrain says:

    Regarding Strudwick, does being popular in the media and dressing room give him a leg up on a more talented player playing the same position?

    Chorney is the future. Strudwick is bandaid.

  4. striatic says:

    how much of his success compared to last year is due to Quinn?

    Quinn seems to have a knack for putting struggling players into positions where they can succeed or at least not be liabilities. chorney's goldilocks minutes could be an example of that.

    I'm really curious to see how chorney's fares against tougher opposition. for all we know, he'll crumble. though as it stands he might do better than Peckham, who has really been struggling.

  5. Lowetide says:

    shanetrain: The argument for keeping Strudwick as the 7D is still strong. Chorney wouldn't develop in the pressbox.

  6. Traktor says:

    Credit to the scouts and management team for seeing through the blizzard.

    If Tambellini was planning on sending away one of our top 4 defenders for a top 6 forward then Chorney just guaranteed it.

  7. striatic says:

    "Regarding Strudwick, does being popular in the media and dressing room give him a leg up on a more talented player playing the same position?

    Chorney is the future. Strudwick is bandaid."

    all other things being equal, yes.

    it isn't easy to tell which D is playing better, since they are all facing different quality opp. I'm not saying that chorney and strudeick are equal, just that it'll take a bit longer and for chorney to be placed in a greater variety of situations, and spend more time on the ic. before we really know.

    personally, I think chorney has a cucumberesque calm out there, and should do well, but that should be proven absolutely before displacing a veteran.

  8. bookie says:

    I think that Strudwick is the best option to sit in the pressbox most of the time. I suspect that his value in the pressbox will far outweigh the value of Chorney or SMac in the Press box.

  9. Peter says:

    I've really liked Chorney's game so far. Obviously he needs to add strength and gain experience before he can be depended on against tougher competition, but playing the 3rd pairing with Strudwick a few weeks ago he looked pretty good, and playing the 2nd pairing with Gilbert he looks alright. It's a bad comparison right now because Peckham missed training camp and isn't up to speed yet, but Peckham makes Chorney look like a top pair defender.

    I think they'll send Chorney back if we ever get healthy on the back-end, but I'm sure he'll end the season with the big club. There's also a decent chance that he sticks the whole season, though I think they'd rather send him back and let him play against the toughest AHL competition.

    If the early feel-good stories of Dubnyk and Chorney tell us anything, it's that analyzing stats from last year's season in Springfield don't tell us much about a player's development. If they did, then Ryan Potulny would be in the NHL, and Chorney would be in the ECHL.

  10. Schitzo says:

    The debate shouldn't be Chorney versus Strudwick.

    It should be Chorney versus SMac.

  11. Woodguy says:


    If the early feel-good stories of Dubnyk and Chorney tell us anything, it's that analyzing stats from last year's season in Springfield don't tell us much about a player's development. If they did, then Ryan Potulny would be in the NHL, and Chorney would be in the ECHL.

    That was going to be my point too.

    Last year was a disaster on many fronts in Springfield.

    Good to see Chorney get through it.

    49 will be fine too, he just needs to get more games under his belt in the A to find his game again. He came up awful quick after missing of TC.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Schitzo: Great point. They could move Strudwick to forward and flush MacIntyre. Solid.

  13. Dennis says:

    The guy was ultra chaotic in his stint last year and I remarked he looked even worse than the kid version of MAB.

    But, I haven't really noticed him being awful many times early on this year and though it likely won't stay together, that pairing of 41-77 actually looks decent.

    His possible emergence helps the org in the cause of using depth to address the weakness at forward but maybe the bigger issue is one that discussed previous about picking up D vets for cheap on the dollar.

    I think it's time we start to consider 44 being out for the long haul so right now the depth looks like this:

    71-77-37-5-43-41-49 and hopefully 24's not too far away and if he's travelling with the team, he's probably close. So put him in there and move 49 back to SF and that's the way it should lay in a few days or so.

    But, in looking at that, would you be comfortable in moving 37 for a forward knowing what might be going on with 44?

    There's no question we need to shore up the forward corps because we're getting outchanced at evens almost every game – especially as of late – and something has to change and it might not be something that can be fixed with a promotion of 13. In fact, given the sinkhole that's been the 18-46 combo, you might need a big revamp down in the bottom six.

    But, we have to cover our asses on the backend before we move some of the depth we may have accrued back there.

    Hopefully, you 41 helps us in this regard but I don't want to have to bring both him and 49 along at the same time if there's any way possible of avoiding it.

  14. gogliano says:

    A goal (plus an assist) today by MPS, and a goal called off last game. It sounds like we are getting close to the point that the biggest strike against him on draft day has been refuted.

  15. Bruce says:

    I'm liking Strudwick as a swing man, 14F/8D. The more he sees of the pressbox the happier I am. Unfortunately current situation leaves us little choice, but he and Peckham are getting lit up every night.

    I'd sure rather have Struds in the PB than SMac, who is an anchor on this roster. Especially when he dresses. Given he's seen less than 5 minutes of actual ice time in 3 "GP", Quinn obviously feels likewise.

  16. Scott says:

    I seem to remember that organization comments and actions still liked the kid despite the math really hating him. They kept sending him over the boards for plenty of minutes and sent WIld down to the ECHL despite the math being okay for our other NCAA grad.

    And before last season we were hearing things like (paraphrasing) 'he won't need much time in the AHL, he'll progress quickly like Andrew did' from Lowe (who despite his shortcomings, can pick out quality D like few others).

    And looking at that list makes me miss Hejda again. I hate thinking about him because he's exactly what this team needs.

  17. rickibear says:

    "Regarding Strudwick, does being popular in the media and dressing room give him a leg up on a more talented player playing the same position?

    He is our Best PK dman and 36 best in the league. for the fifth time he should be our 12th forward and Played PK d when all are d are healthy.

    He is tough, and dominates a critical defensive situATION.

  18. PunjabiOil says:

    MPS has already matched last year's goal totals.

    This is an elite prospect folks, who can put the puck in the net. We haven't had that type of player since Ryan Smyth.

    We really needed a lot to go right to draft him. OEL, Kadri, and Glennie taken ahead of him.

    I'm guessing the North American bias lead teams to pass up on him? That doesn't however explain OEL taken 6th overall.

  19. Peter says:

    Dennis – couldn't agree more about the Stortini-Moreau line. Overall I'm liking Stortini's game – he seems to be progessing, especially with his skating – but the less I see of Moreau, the happier I am. He skates well, he has size and he's physical…and that's about it. He doesn't have enough hockey sense to help us with his limited skill set. I think a combo of Pouliot and an up-to-speed Pisani would help our bottom-6 a lot. If we had a guy like Travis Moen on the left side, that would be a nice line, or Daniel Paille, who got picked up for a song by the Bruins.

    The sooner we get Peckham back in Springfield, the better. Get Staios and Visnovsky back and our D will look like so:

    Smid-Visnovsky
    Gilbert-Grebeshkov
    Staios-Chorney
    Strudwick

    Did anyone else notice how terrible Grebeshkov was yesterday? He made a bad pinch which created the 2-1 for the Bruins 2nd goal, and he looked handicapped at the end of the 2nd period when the Bruins should have scored but were stoned about 4 times.

  20. Lowetide says:

    PJ Oil: It's funny because it seemed as though there were people saying he could play. Redline said "blazing speed and is the best pure skater in the entire draft. He's also got good size and strength, and has been competing against men in the Swedish Elite League all year, so he may be ready to step in and play in the NHL right away."

    Redline! They hate everyone, had MPS #6.

  21. Dennis says:

    Just a couple of things:

    - just why did young MPS fall so far in the draft? It looks like he's gonna put up a helluva season that could have him jumping to the bigs come 2011 so what did everyone else miss?

    - I really like RB's idea of 43 playing forward but coming in on D just to kill penalties. There might be a little something to that.

    - Peter, 78-34 have always played well together so that could help our bottom six but 78's still awhile away from playing and I'm afraid that I'm always waiting for the next 34 injury.

    - that was a good point about the Oil sticking with 41 last year in SF while a guy with better numbers in Wild was sent to the E.

    - Finally, Matheson threw out a few things today that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else so here goes:

    1. he mentioned that O'Marra's now a guy who might be able to come up right now and be a role playing centre. That seems like a drastic change of fortune, no?

    2. he also has a pro scout from the EC regarding 12 as nothing more than an AHL call-up.

    3. confirms the Oilers Kostitsyian interest.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Matty+Short+Shifts/2169416/story.html

  22. Peter says:

    After the top-5, it was pretty wide open. Usually teams start drafting based on specific needs. Pheonix needed a d-man, and Ekman-Larsson was the fastest riser in the whole draft. Toronto and Ottawa both wanted Kadri (as per the humorous exchange between Burke and Murray), maybe because he outplayed Tavares in the OHL playoffs (though Tavares had a suspected, fairly serious shoulder injury). Ottawa took Cowan, a guy who would have gone much higher, as high as 4th if he hadn't broken his leg last year, certainly 6th. He was dominant in the WHL playoffs in his 16 year old, rookie season. The only surprise then was Glennie going at 8. It was rumoured that we wanted him, but I'm glad we came up with MPS. I'm a little surprised that Dallas would pass on him for another forward, given their love of Swedes lately (Eriksson, Brunnstrom, Grossman). Maybe Joe Niewendyk is bringing a different philosophy?

    Also, Paajarvi's situation reminds me of Frolik in 2006. Another guy who played in the WJC at age 16 and was looking to be a top-5 pick who wasn't terribly impressive in his draft year and slipped to 10th. He went right to the bigs from the Q at age 20 and had a really nice season last year. I see MPS doing the same thing when he's 20. I think next year would be too soon for him.

  23. Asiaoil says:

    Chorney was always a quality prospect – he just got killed making the jump last year as a realtively small kid having to play against large, very angry men every night in the AHL. Kind of a strange development curve but the end result isn't all that surprising. As for the need for another defensemean – I'll poach from Keith Olbermann.

    Day 1245 since the Oilers had a balanced roster…..and counting

  24. Boondock says:


    - Finally, Matheson threw out a few things today that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else so here goes:

    1. he mentioned that O'Marra's now a guy who might be able to come up right now and be a role playing centre. That seems like a drastic change of fortune, no?

    2. he also has a pro scout from the EC regarding 12 as nothing more than an AHL call-up.

    3. confirms the Oilers Kostitsyian interest.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Matty+Short+Shifts/2169416/story.html .

    Did they pull some of it down? Nothing on Kostitsyn or Nilsson when I open it?

  25. Bruce says:

    [Grebeshkov] looked handicapped at the end of the 2nd period when the Bruins should have scored but were stoned about 4 times.

    Keyword: "stoned"

  26. hunter1909 says:

    I read a very interesting article today regarding the dearth of parity in the NFL. The upshot being, there are basically 4 contending teams(Pats, Broncos, Steelers and the other one), who are virtually guaranteed to be there at the end of each season.

    I thought that this was odd, considering there is a salary cap.

    Apparently it all comes down to management. Each team is very well managed, which seems to guarantee year after year of great teams. Apparently the old adage of blowing the future for the present doesn't wash anymore in the NFL either.

    So with this in mind, you have to wonder which are the better managed teams in the NHL. The parallels between North American pro sports are too strong to ignore.

  27. kris says:

    If Magnum PS finishes the season at this pace, i.e. 0.43 goals/game or better, he's on the team next year, not as a star but as a decent rookie.

    Book it.

    I was just looking at guys like Bachman and other Swedes, and MPS is tracking very well right now.

    He might never amount to much or maybe ends up as a Dvorak-type player. You never know with prospects.

    But his size, speed, pedigree, and now scoring are the most exciting thing I've seen in an Oilers prospect since Arnott.

  28. Asiaoil says:

    Ah good old Radek – miss the guy and he's exactly what this team needs a lot more of in the bottom 6. Amazing the number of useful, affordable players this team has thrown away over the last 3 years while at the same time throwing crazy money and years at junk like Moreau and Nilsson.

    Dvorak, Hejda, GlenX – all vets, all real NHLers as LT likes to say, all affordable, and all wanted to be here.

  29. FlamingPavelBure says:

    With 3 shutouts in 4 games, i wonder why Quinn is still alive after playing Zorg on the Powerplay for most of those games.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    Quinn get's a free pass this season. He's inherited a disfunctional team. By 2010 he will have a pretty good idea about who can hack it and who cannot.

    We, the fans, see players like Moreau and Staios fucking up forever, but Quinn hasn't.

  31. Oiler Mag says:

    We might be happy with MPS – but Chicago have got be super happy with the way this guy is turning it on:

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=8311&lang=en

  32. Lowetide says:

    I think Quinn (OTC) is one of those guys who likes to reward hard work and maybe send a message to the fancy Dan wingers.

  33. Peter says:

    Hunter 1909 – I love when people pick on Moreau and Staios – cuz they SUCK. (Though I'd rather have Staios playing than Peckham; Strudwick and Staios are about even, except Staios makes $2M more, and for an extra season).

    On a somehwat related note, here are some forward lines I'd like to see:

    same top line (Horpensky)
    2nd line: Cogliano-Gagner-Comrie 3rd line: O'Sullivan-Brule-Pisani
    4th line: Jacques-*-Stortini
    *Stone when healthy?
    pine: Moreau
    AHL: Nilsson
    ECHL: MacIntyre
    IR: Pouliot (4th line when healthy)

    I also liked Quinn breaking up the big line last game when Chara was shutting them down, throwing Jacques on the top line. In those cases, I think a great 2nd line is

    Penner-Gagner-O'Sullivan

    -our 3 most gifted players not named Hemsky.

  34. Ribs says:

    Chorney has NHL legs, that's for certain. That can get you pretty far in this league alone. I think his overall game needs still needs some real work and I hope they don't rush him too quickly. If he can pick up the defensive positioning ala Gilbert he'll be a real keeper.

  35. Ribs says:

    Do they not have a radio broadcast of the Falcons games anymore? I can't seem to locate it on their site.

  36. Ribs says:

    Well I guess listening to the other teams feed is an option. Too late now!

  37. Gerta Rauss says:

    Quinn off day

    "our team defense sucks right now"

    Vis,Comrie game time decisions

  38. Yeti says:

    And notably Horcoff struck with flu, a doubt for tomorrow.

    "While Horcoff was off the practice list, Mike Comrie and Lubomir Visnovsky were back in their gear after missing recent games due to illness. Injured defenceman Steve Staios also skated, proving he is one step closer to returning to the line-up." – Oiler's site.

  39. Lowetide says:

    For those who haven't read it, the Nilsson comment from Matty reads like this:

    One eastern NHL scout clearly wonders about the enigmatic Robert Nilsson. He grades him like a callup from the AHL, at least right now.

    Nothing we didn't know, and I think the Oilers wonder too about him. But he keeps showing flashes and until something clearly better comes along–or a team offers something of value–running in place has its own merit.

  40. spOILer says:

    According to Matty, work ethic is the big difference maker in O'Marra's year.

    Made a diff in Penner's year too.

    We toss around numbers a lot, and "saw him good", but no one has seen like the staff has. And after the top 6, they're always looking for coachable hard workers.

    Good for him.

    As for Chorney, I think the jury is still out, but it looks like he will be a player (which bodes well for Petry, I would think). He might have to have his physical shortcomings protected a bit with a proper pairing, but he doesn't look any worse than Bergeron or Stralman, had has done well to keep caution in his decision-making.

  41. Lowetide says:

    O'Marra has played 105 games in the AHL for Springfield and has 4 goals (I believe that's correct). I understand they project him as a checker but you have to hit enough to stay in the lineup.

  42. oilerdiehard says:

    Interesting that you used the word "dud" in your post. As it reminds me of a blog post you made around the 15-20 game of the AHL season last year. I think at the time you suggested Chorney might be a dud prospect. Good to hear he is changing your mind.

    I personally never had any doubts after watching him a bunch in college. Though I will certainly admit. After his season past, I thought we would be looking at a full year in the A. Before he got anywhere near the point he seems to be at right now.

    Strudwick terrifies me each and every shift these days. I love the guy off the ice but on it he turns my stomach into knots.

  43. FlamingPavelBure says:

    LT: I'm all for giving hard workers a candy from time to time, but when you still do it, by getting shutout 3 times out of 4 with a perpetual candy strategy, it lasted too long already.

  44. Lowetide says:

    oilerdiehard: The post you remembered is this one:

    http://lowetide.blogspot.com/2008/12/11-prospect-winter-2008-taylor-chorney.html

    Like you, I was a big fan, as represented by the final paragraph:

    Taylor Chorney has always been a favorite of mine. Sure he's undersized and there's always a learning curve but at the World Junior's it was obvious he could play and he had a nice career at UND. I didn't think these would be the early results and at some level you can justify it and say well he's 0-for-April but those line drives will find their way eventually. I'll tell you, this is a helluva slump.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    Nilsson is playing about as poorly as any Oiler I've seen in years.

    He makes me pine for the 2001 lineup, with all those grinders, who at the time used to make me want to endlessly vomit.

  46. spOILer says:

    Ryan Howard is gonna pummel that strike out record.

  47. Lowetide says:

    One of the big surprises for me this year is the gap between Gagner and Cogliano. 5×5/60 pts are an example: 2.07 for Gagner and 1.10 for Cogliano.

    He is way better than that.

  48. spOILer says:

    Speaking of Magnum PS and Kruger, Kruger has 5 of his 6 goals on the PP. MPS 1 of 7.

    MPS is getting 15 min/gm, about 30 secs less than Lander, and 4th among Timra LWers although it looks like at least one of those wingers is playing centre, if not two.

    Kruger is getting 2 minutes more a game than that, on what looks like it might be a thinner team up front.

  49. spOILer says:

    Cogs was identical in P/60 last year to Gagner, and a full half point better than he is this year.

    Their stats last year are pretty close all the way through the columns, except Cogs played with poorer teammates.

    The difference in teammates is even greater this year, but Cogs has been helped by facing poorer dregs.

    Is that enough to overcome the Moreau drag factor?

    He's a streaky scorer though and it's still early.

    I'm beginning to believe Cogs doesn't like wing because he doesn't like to play along the wall–he seems to struggle whenever he ends up there. Yet the only thing the two guys he's centering can do is cycle.

  50. spOILer says:

    Just get on base, Howard.

    Eberle and Cornet are still hmmering it out of the park. Eberle has a better PPG ratio, but they have identical birthdays… there may come a day when Cornet passes him, after all he's 6'1". HF has him at 5'11", but the Q is listing him at 6'1" this season.

    Now I'm not saying that outcome will occur, but with Cornet's improved production and growth spurt, they might be closer than we thought on draft day.

  51. doritogrande says:

    Seems we should again be keeping all our important prosepects away from Springfield this year. Last year it was a lack of team defense, and this year it's because the team is playing goon hockey.

    Check out the penalty bracket from today's game: http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1006222

    That's a lot of misconduct.

    To play Chorney (and I guess also all our offensive prospects) on this team seems to me like an exercise in futilty. That Chris Minard and Charles Linglet are performing is, simply put, astounding.

    It would seem a perfect development place for Peckham though.

  52. logical thinking says:

    Too bad Chorney did not spend more time in the ahl this season before being called up to the nhl. Over 20 minutes a night plus lots of powerplay time in the ahl.

    What is up with the Strudwick hate around here? The guy is a monster. Will take on near anybody in the nhl. He can play F or D. Plus he has a tiny contract.

    Who in the nhl is better than Strudwick and cheaper?

  53. Schitzo says:

    I took my kid to his first Oil Kings game today. Not particularly impressed with the product.

    Cameron Abney in the third round. Tomas Vincour in the 5th.

    It is a curious world we live in.

  54. Woodguy says:

    One of the big surprises for me this year is the gap between Gagner and Cogliano. 5×5/60 pts are an example: 2.07 for Gagner and 1.10 for Cogliano.

    He is way better than that.

    I'd like to see 89's numbers with and without 27.

    That might tell the story.

    Does anyone know a site like http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ that has these numbers for this year?

    I was wandering around a few sites and couldn't find anything.

  55. woody says:

    Sorry to do this but I simply must…This 'Brugal' rum I have read about on this blog…where can I find it in Edmonton? I have asked about in in Lethbridge where I live but apparently nobody knows of its' existance. Well, one merchant thought it was a Scotch… Additionally, what formats (by volume)is it sold in? Approximate cost? How does it compare to, say, Pyrat? I know some of you are 'in the know' a propos this subjecto, please informo.

    -Woodrow

  56. Steve says:

    What is up with the Strudwick hate around here? The guy is a monster. Will take on near anybody in the nhl. He can play F or D.

    Sure. And he plays both badly.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Phillies don't deserve to win the WS if they can't come back to win this, but I'm hopeful they can because it could be a classic if this things goes 7.

    Man the Yankees have some bats, and so do the Phils.

  58. Bruce says:

    Does anyone know a site like http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ that has these numbers for this year?

    Woodguy: Both hockeyanalysis and timeonice seem to be down for the count. Too bad, there was a ton of info on both sites.

    I'd like to see 89's numbers with and without 27.
    That might tell the story.

    I'd like to see 13's numbers with and without 18. That might tell the other half of that story.

    One of the big surprises for me this year is the gap between Gagner and Cogliano. 5×5/60 pts are an example: 2.07 for Gagner and 1.10 for Cogliano.

    LT: Superficially, Cogs has made up that gap with his defence. Behind the Net has both guys at +1 when 5v5. Gags is +9/-8, Cogs +5/-4. A closer look at Gabe Desjardins' outstanding new Corsi page suggests that Cogliano's "superior" defence to this point may simply be a matter of riding the percentages, specifically Sv% ON as featured. He and especially Moreau have absolutely dreadful Corsi results, with Stortini measurably better but still really bad.

    It's interesting to reorganize this data by Corsi, by Relative Corsi, and also by the nifty new PDO# feature. Every Oiler forward has a negative Corsi, but there's mildly negative and then there's black hole negative cough*thecaptainethanmoreau*cough .

    But even after all these fucking shutouts, every Oiler forward but one is well above the 1.000 mark in PDO. That one, Shawn Horcoff, has been plagued by both the worst Sh% ON and Sv% ON … his Corsi is actually relatively good.

  59. Cory Klein says:

    Schitzo: shoot me an email and I'll send back my address and a few DeNiro's to cover your shipping costs. Its a gmail account. corykg@

  60. Bruce says:

    Wow, see that one-man double steal there? Second one I've ever seen … I was just describing the one by Brandon Phillips (the erstwhile Expo prospect now thriving in another organization) in one of your comments sections the other day, LT. Both were against The Shift. This one was different in that Damon slid, popped up and got behind the 3B, whereas Phillips was more premeditated, he simply rounded the bag and beat everybody over to third. Still, hat tip to Damon, that was a real heads-up play. Lidge never regained his composure after that … hit a guy, then gave up two rockets and it's game over, Series over.

    Fucking Yankees. Bastards are good, though.

  61. Peter says:

    spOILer: I like Cornet, but I wouldn't compare him to Eberle yet. Eberle is doing 2 points per game in the dub (25 points in 12 games), Cornet has 28 points in 21 games in the Q. You could put together a huge list of guys that put up easily a point and a half per game in the Q and ended up going nowhere. I'm not saying Cornet isn't good, only that we can't judge him much by his stats till he graduates from junior.

    Trukhno for instance (6'1, 197) put up 96 in 60 and 102 in 60 his last 2 years in the Q. He was also described as fairly gritty; a bit rare for a Russian player. He hasn't even become a consistent AHL player.

    Based on where we got Cornet (5th round, 133 in '08) if he ever becomes a decent top-6 forward in the NHL, that would have to be considered a bonus. If he only becomes a solid AHL scorer, that would be slightly disappointing, but probably more realistic. He clearly has talent though, as he was drafted 2nd overall into the QMJHL. If he has a defensive conscience and good hockey sense, then he has a great shot at the NHL someday somewhere in a top-9 role.

    I think Eberle is a special player. I'd compare him to a young Steve Sullivan, but not as small, (and hopefully a lot more rugged). A guy who is very well-rounded offensively – great puck handling, shooting, passing. He also seems to have those intangibles – awareness and a nose for the net – that many otherwise talented players lack.

    We have a nice young core of forwards with Gagner, Cogliano, Eberle, and MPS – and I think a few of Nash, Hartikainen, Rajala, and Cornet could also turn out to be pretty good. Brule looks like he might be a keeper too. Could we even salvage O'Marra?

  62. Woodguy says:

    That one, Shawn Horcoff, has been plagued by both the worst Sh% ON and Sv% ON ..

    The goalies have been playing well against 10.

    They keep getting their crest in the way. :-)

  63. spOILer says:

    Peter,

    hey, I'm not saying they're the same guy today, I'm just saying that Cornet with his increase in size, and well above average production, is trending very well and could pass Eberle some day if Jordan plateaus or can't handle the size.

    Nor would Cornet had gone in the 5th if he had been 6"1" a year and a half ago.

    I'm raising the possiblity; not that doing so means much, throw enough donkey poo at a wall and you will paint a horse.

    I hope that doesn't happen to Eberle, and from the looks of things it won't (he looks AHL capable already), but that extra 2 inches and soft hands is verrry interesting.

  64. digger says:

    The mileage of others will certainly vary, but this upcoming WJHC is shaping up to be the most fun for Oiler fans in quite a while:

    Eberle
    MPS
    Lander
    Rajala

    …and outside shots like Cornet and Roy have at least a small chance of making Canada's team as well.

    It's going to be really fun to watch how a 19 yr old Eberle compares against an 18 yr old MPS in a head to head matchup.

  65. uni says:

    Oiler Mag said…
    We might be happy with MPS – but Chicago have got be super happy with the way this guy is turning it on:

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=8311&lang=en

    spOILer said…
    Speaking of Magnum PS and Kruger, Kruger has 5 of his 6 goals on the PP. MPS 1 of 7.

    MPS is getting 15 min/gm, about 30 secs less than Lander, and 4th among Timra LWers although it looks like at least one of those wingers is playing centre, if not two.

    Kruger is getting 2 minutes more a game than that, on what looks like it might be a thinner team up front.

    Kruger and any of a 50 other players would have been a lot better than Abney at the 3rd round slot. Oh well.

  66. doritogrande says:

    Digger:

    You forgot Hartikainen. He's sure to be a lock for the Finland WJC team.

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