Bad Back Jacques

Big man Jean-Francois Jacques’ back injury looks to be worse than originally expected. We could read between the lines a little (no update) but Matty in the EJ said today that the back spasms were worse than thought at the outset and that there’s no word on how long he’ll be out.

Stone’s gone, Horcoff is recovering and may play Sunday, Hemsky’s problem (according to Matty) may be something aside from the shoulder and he speculates back (too).

Reddox has a clear head but is bruised all over from that hit he took in Buffalo the other night. The Oilers up front were a dog’s breakfast at the starting gate; now it’s more like a cf.

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    It's like every other day the Oilers players draw lots and one of them gets a visit from the mafia hammer in the legs/knees squad.

  2. johnnyshaka says:

    It's really too bad for both JFJ and Stone because they showed a lot of promise in the system Quinn and company put in place to start the season.

  3. Oilerpinoy says:

    So when can we expect to see Colin McDonald be the next callup?

  4. Masamax says:

    Poor Springfield. As we call up AHLers, must they not call up ECHLers?

    And here's a thought: where do the ECHL teams call up from when their best talent is poached for the AHL squad?

  5. doritogrande says:

    Masamax:

    We haven an ECHL affiliate with the Stockton Thunder. Once the home of All-Star goalie Devan Dubnyk.

  6. Steve says:

    I think you misunderstood his question, DG. My best answer is that I thought ECHL (and AHL) teams carried large rosters, such that they had an ample supply of healthy scratches to rotate in and out of the lineup. I could be mistaken on that, though.

  7. B.C.B. says:

    As far as I know, there is not roster limit on AHL and ECHL teams (unlike the 23 roster of the NHL).

    Why are we not picking up actual NHLers from waivers to help with the injury problems. Seriously can't the Oilers retroactively put their 7 million dollar (sic) Horcoff on IR and use a waiver wire pick up for those games? After Horcoff returns, send them back through waivers, and there still would be some net savings to use at the trade deadline.
    If not Horcoff, since he might be out less then the 9 game minimum, someone else: Stone, Staios, Pisani, Souray, and Poo should all qualify (or had qualified) for the 9 game IR. With the exception of Stone (and maybe Poo) all the other make significantly more then the league average, so there should have been some savings to get an individua like Mair or Miller.l

  8. FlamingPavelBure says:

    There's so many injuries it's getting funny.

    Any Update on Robert?

  9. Ken says:

    This just in: Pisani headed back to Edmonton. Colitis problems.

  10. Ribs says:

    You're joking? Tell me you're joking.

  11. johnnyshaka says:

    So does O'Marra get another call?

  12. johnnyshaka says:

    MEDIC!!!!

  13. Ribs says:

    Tencers Twitter….

    Pisani's colitis has flared up and he has been sent home; Grebeshkov out weeks with MCL. Horcoff and Souray both probable for tomorrow.

    Fuck.

  14. Bar Qu says:

    I am laughing right now, simply to keep from cursing in frustration or crying.

    This is like 2 seasons ago. One big injury leads to another, which leads to another and so on. Unbelievable really.

    And I agree with the retro-LTIR thing. If it allows some cap-space to pick up NHL waiver fodder then do it. Is the issue with that the guy who is supposed to understand the salary cap for Edmonton or is it a limit on the number of contracts thingy?

    And how do I find out man games lost to injury? Is there a website or something that contains this information?

  15. DBO says:

    The injury bug is getting ridiculous. Painful, and unbelievably annoying. Hard to get a full gauge on this team without ever getting to have the whole team together. The fact hat we are close to 500 right now may be a minor miracle considering we've lost impact players from pretty much the get go.

    pisani leavign hurts since he's been much better the last few games on the PK, and his line has been very good on the forecheck. He is a valuable player to this team, and it hurts losing him.

    So if Pisani is gone, and horcoff and Souray are back any guesses on the lineup?

    Comrie-Horcoff-Hemsky
    Penner-Gagner-O'Sullivan
    Moreau-Cogliano-Storitni
    O'Marra-Brule-Reddox?Strudwick?

    Smid-Vish
    Souray-Gilbert
    Staios-Strudwick/Chorney?

  16. Kristopher Milligan says:

    this is looking worse and worse every day… If only there was an upgrade you could get in real life where your team would be less prone to injuries… everything is always better on xbox.

  17. DBO says:

    forgot potulny

    O'Marra-Brule-potulny

  18. FlamingPavelBure says:

    ''this is looking worse and worse every day… If only there was an upgrade you could get in real life where your team would be less prone to injuries… everything is always better on xbox.''

    You think Tambi would have enough GM Points?

    No chance in hell.

  19. Rod says:

    B.C.B. said:
    Seriously can't the Oilers retroactively put their 7 million dollar (sic) Horcoff on IR and use a waiver wire pick up for those games?
    —–
    Ignoring your curve ball reference to 7 million, putting a player on IR does nothing in terms of cap space. LTIR does (in a round about way), but it also means said player must miss a minimum of:
    - 24 calendar days
    AND
    - 10 games

    Grebs is a likely candidate for LTIR given the rumblings of being out weeks. If Horcoff joins him, say hello to a lottery pick…

    On the topic of LTIR, the Oilers have to make a roster move before Souray could play (44 off LTIR would put the Oil over the cap). Well, barring injury. Grebeshkov onto LTIR would once again allow the Oilers more time to decide…dither.

  20. Showerhead says:

    You think Tambi would have enough GM Points?

    BUT HOW MANY BLACKBERRIES DOES HE HAVE??!?!?!

  21. digger says:

    As bad as I feel for Pisani, it was only a matter of time before the Colitis flared up again.

    Not exactly what he wanted to deal with in the final year before hitting UFA.

  22. Showerhead says:

    PS: As a potentially more legitimate response to the latest injury news: "Fuck".

  23. Downright Fierce says:

    Anyone else feel like it's time to put Jeffrey Drouin-Deslauriers in to take some games off of Niko's back nine?

    Fern's bout with colitis could add fuel to LT's retirement theory. If he hangs 'em up mid-season, does it open up cap room? Could probably still sign some "real NHL" PK bangers for 1.25 milli each…

  24. kinger says:

    Hey, you, Steve Tambellini, time to step up to the plate and do your fucking job.

  25. digger says:

    Just curious, but how many games does Pisani have to play before qualifying for a pension? Replacement over at HF mentioned 400 games, is that right?

    If so, Fernie is 32 games short.

  26. Traktor says:

    "Hey, you, Steve Tambellini, time to step up to the plate and do your fucking job."

    I agree he needs to be more active but the last thing we need is Tambellini trading assets for a bunch of patch work.

    I'm hoping that he uses the injury excuse to blow this fucker up and get in the lottery.

  27. LittleFury says:

    I'm hoping that he uses the injury excuse to blow this fucker up and get in the lottery.

    At it stands the team is coming apart at the seams anyway, so no need to blow it up. Besides: what is there to blow up?

  28. Black Dog says:

    Yeah Fernando still doesn't have his pension.

    I think he'll be ok though.

    The fact that he's going home leads me to believe that its a serious flareup.

    I think that might be it for San Fernando. He might ride off into the sunset. What's the chance of any club taking a chance on a guy with a chronic condition like this?

    Unless he rebounds strong this might be it for Fernie.

    And the Colin McDonald era might be about to begin.

    The curse of Ryan Smyth. ;)

  29. Schitzo says:

    I'm incredibly bummed about Pisani. I hope he finds a way to keep playing, but I think that if he hangs them up he'll be ok. He doesn't strike me as the type to have blown his big payday.

  30. shanetrain says:

    It aint cheap to see the boys live on my birthday no less!

    Myself and three others will be up there for the Dec 28th game against the fLAMES .. heads touching the ceiling type tix for 125 a pop!

    Cant wait!

  31. PunjabiOil says:

    I'd sign Pisani to a 1 year deal at nominal amounts next year ($600,000)

  32. Black Dog says:

    where are you going to get that money PJO? I thought you were a student.

    Oh … right.

    you might and I might but if he misses over a game or two I would bet that we'd be in the slim slim minority

  33. Bar Qu says:

    Interesting fact I just noticed. Edmonton has played the second most games in the league to this point (19 along with 5 other teams – the most by any other team is 20 by the Canucks and Sharks). Most teams sit at the 17-18 mark and will tie the Oilers for games played by the end of the weekend, but a bunch have only played 15 or 16, including a bunch of Eastern teams and the Calgary Flames.

    Not that it is an excuse, but I imagine the compressed schedule along with the early loss of a couple of key players is what is contributing the rash of injuries. Especially if Quinn has got them playing a more banging style. I wonder if the schedule maker giveth back later and allows the Oilers a lighter time of it with fewer back to backs (and 3 in 4's) later in the season. Maybe if the curse lifts by that time they could be healthier and make hay.

    It's reaching, but blind devotion to a team does create that kind of grasping at straws hope.

  34. Traktor says:

    "At it stands the team is coming apart at the seams anyway, so no need to blow it up. Besides: what is there to blow up?"

    Moreau and Staios for starters.

    Horcoff if there's a team desperate enough to take on his contract in hopes of making the playoffs.

    Souray and Visnovsky if a team willing will be pay a premium.

    O'Sullivan is another guy that might have some decent value at the deadline.

  35. PDO says:

    Trak:

    I think we need to be careful about blowing it up too much though.

    Losing breeds losing, and while a lottery pick would be damn nice, entering next season [i]yet again[/i] with new faces all over the place just doesn't strike me as a way to build a team.

    I think we desperately need to settle the fuck down, quit whale hunting, and just move out a few faces at a time. I know it's not the sexy choice, but I think it'd help us more long term than having a few million available next off season and a top 5 pick.

    JMO of course.

    Ideally at least one of Staios or Moreau is moved, and Nilsson is absolutely gotten rid of someway, somehow.

    And I think Grebveshkov is starting to look more and more like the guy to move on the back end, but maybe that's just me.

    Maybe we finish with another top 10 pick, and have dealt Moreau and Nilsson for a net gain of a 2nd round pick.

    Pair Grebeshkov with our top 10 pick to move up a few slots in the draft towards that magical top 5 spot and see what happens?

  36. chartleys says:

    Grebs is worth more than a throw in to skip a few spots south in the draft….

    Defense on the cusp of blossoming into their potential are years of work in the making. To toss one out that quite argueably is getting near the top of the bell curve is a crazy suggestion.

  37. knighttown says:

    I'm not normally an idiot but I'm really having trouble with this LTIR stuff.

    Can someone please explain to me what our GM has to do to sign someone to a 1 million dollar contract right now?

    And where can I find a list of unsigned UFAs?

  38. Schitzo says:

    knighttown – the easiest way to look at the salary cap is that each team gets a daily allowance.

    $56.8 million salary cap, divided by 180 days (approximately) in the season gives you $315,000 per day to spend on players.

    Just like a kid with an allowance, you can save your money. If you only spend $300,000 one day, you can spend $330,000 the next.

    With LTIR things change a little bit. Souray makes approximately $30,000 per day. He still gets paid when hurt. What the LTIR does is allow the Oilers to exceed the cap by $30,000 per day while he's on the LTIR.

    So if Souray is on the LTIR today, the Oilers can spend up to $345,000 per day.

    The problem is that you cannot bank this extra cap room like normal. If we only spend $330,000 on a day Souray is on the LTIR, that's it, we don't get to keep the $15,000 we didn't spend for a rainy day.

    So even though Souray has basically missed 20% of the season, we don't get an extra million of cap room for the rest of the season. Even if we LTIR him to go sign a UFA, we're right back to the $315,000 per day limit when he's healthy. Which means someone [Nilsson] is going on waivers to clear cap space.

  39. Dennis says:

    A few of us have been talking about this for awhile now but there's no way you can count on 34 anymore.

    The big picture is he's healthy enough to be a proper husband and father and anything else is a sidebar.

    But in regards of being a lineup constant, that's probably over.

    The one guy I'm worried about is 32 because the orig diagnosis was 2-4 weeks and I'm sure he hurt his knee four weeks ago tonight vs Minny and we don't get updates on the guy anymore.

    On the plus side, I imagine 10-44 will be back on Sun and 22 should be back on Wed if the next couple of skates go well – Gregor says he's hitting the ice tomorrow.

    But, overall, yes, another season begins to slip away and when you look at the standings, it's hard to picture us making the playoffs unless a couple of teams hit the edge of the cliff in terms of inconsistency or injuries.

  40. Woodguy says:

    Stone doing well and expected back when the Oilers get home. (As per Tambellini on Oilers.com)

    Good news, but not earth shattering, Stone was one of two guys with a negative +/- when he went down. (10 was the other)

    Also mentioned that if they make a call to the farm, its for a defenseman.

  41. Woodguy says:

    Oilers cap situation today according to Capgeek.com

    OVERALL SUMMARY

    Allowable salary through 43 days

    $12,654,922

    Salary through 43 days

    $13,261,891

    Salary less bonuses through 43 days

    $13,006,735

    LTI exemption through 43 days

    $351,814

    Remaining salary over 150 days

    $46,639,895

    Remaining LTI exemption over 150 days

    $4,838,082

    Salary cap

    $56,800,000

    Projected final cap num

    $54,711,889

    Potential performance bonuses

    $1,165,000

    Cushioned projected final

    $53,546,889

    Cap space

    $3,253,111

    Adjusted cap space (full season cap hit)

    $4,185,669

    I'm not sure how to read this but I think when 44 comes off the LTIR either 37/34 goes LTIR or 12 gets waived.

    Gotta think 37 goes LTIR.

    Stauffer also asked Tambellini about the ability to make a trade with so many players out, and Tambellini said he'd like to see his whole team play together before he knows what he has.

  42. Gerta Rauss says:

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=505991&navid=DL|EDM|home

    Tambi,Quinn,others off day

    That Capt Picard facepalm can be used any time now LT.

  43. Rod says:

    Argh…pesky > popped up in a bad spot. Here's another attempt….

    Pretty close Schitzo. The key element you didn't mention is the one that makes it really confusing.

    With LTIR things change a little bit. Souray makes approximately $30,000 per day. He still gets paid when hurt. What the LTIR does is allow the Oilers to exceed the cap by $30,000 per day while he's on the LTIR.
    —–
    We're fine up until the last sentence. If the Oilers were far enough away from the cap ceiling, the LTI exception wouldn't apply (even if Souray had a LTI). The LTI exception to exceed the cap only kicks in when replacement player(s) would put the team over the cap ceiling. To make it more confusing, the exception is *not* necessarily for the full amount of the LTI player's contract. The exception is for the portion of the LTI contract that would exceed the cap (that could be the full amount of the contract…but not necessarily).

    So, using the numbers you provided (Souray ~$30,000 / day; daily cap limit of $315,000):
    - if the Oilers daily payroll was <$285,000, a LTI to Souray alone would not allow the Oilers to exceed the cap (while he's hurt)
    - if the Oilers daily payroll was $290,000 when Souray was designated a LTI, the exception would allow the Oilers to exceed the cap (while Souray was out) by $5,000 per day (not the full $30,000 of Souray's contract). As you said, the team can't carry forward unused exception amounts for future use ($5,000 in this example).

    Essentially means the exception amount is dependent on the team's cap number on the day the player went on the LTI. That could explain why teams don't automatically put a player on LTIR, even though they know the player won't be back for months. The team might be closer to the cap later on…and putting a player on LTI at that point effective buys a larger exception…meaning more cap flexibility.

    Back to Schtizo's post:
    So if Souray is on the LTIR today, the Oilers can spend up to $345,000 per day.
    —-
    As explained (hopefully) above, an exception to go up to $345,000 would only be allowed if the Oilers were already right at the cap when Souray went on LTI. The Oilers are close to the cap…so this distinction is largely just splitting hairs. Still, I think it's a relevant point: the LTI exception is not necessarily for the full amount of the LTI contract.

    Clear as mud yet?

  44. anonymous says:

    Looking at all the holes in the roster and trying to imagine it without Penner, Cogliano, and Smid. Shudder.

  45. knighttown says:

    Thank you to both Schizo and Rod. Excellent explanations that help a lot.

    So if Grebeshkov and Horcoff get hurt (about $25,000/day) and we recall Potulny and Peckham ($2750/day) the team on that day hurts the Cap more than if 10 and 37 were playing? That means if no one is on LTIR, every call up gets us closer to to that $315,000 daily budget.

    No wonder we can't pick up Adam Mair**. We're going to get to the point here soon where we can't afford to call someone up. I assume this is what happened to the Flames last year?

    Does anyone know what our cap hit is for today, November 13th? With Potulny, Horcoff, Souray, Reddox, Grebeshkov, Chorney etc all on the active roster we've got to be over. And I assume, if we're over on any given day we have to get under by that amount sometime down the line so our daily budget in January may be $300,000?

  46. Woodguy says:


    Does anyone know what our cap hit is for today, November 13th? With Potulny, Horcoff, Souray, Reddox, Grebeshkov, Chorney etc all on the active roster we've got to be over.

    That's what I posted courtesy of capgeek, except Souray hasn't been activated.

    Gotta think 44 comes off and 37 goes on LTIR.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    For me the season is already getting near lost.

    What I get in some kind of compensation is to watch Penner making with his Phil Esposito impression, and wondering if Brule+O'Sullivan are going to develop into real NHL players or not.

    The rest of the team barely interests me, the way they sputter away.

    Fire Tambellini.

  48. Jenga says:

    Schizo

    "Souray makes approximately $30,000 per day."

    Seeing Souray's salary expressed on a per day basis Changes the perspective somehow. Crap these guys make a lot of money!

  49. Rod says:

    knighttown said:
    And I assume, if we're over on any given day we have to get under by that amount sometime down the line so our daily budget in January may be $300,000?
    —–
    No. A team cannot go over the cap ceiling. In turn, that means the Oilers cannot be over on a given day and then make up for it later by going under the cap. Not at all possible.

  50. Schitzo says:

    Rod, thank you for adding that. I figured that we were close enough to the cap to gloss over that part, but it's a really important consideration.

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