Oilers at Sabres, G19, 09-10

I don’t have any real idea about this edition of the Edmonton Oilers. I picked them 11th in the conference and that’s about where they are today. I don’t think you can make a strong case for this team being a playoff club unless they ride luck, good health and a trade deadline for the ages into the fringes of the second season.

If you’re going to counter that argument, the conversation begins with Dustin Penner. Whatever else we get out of this season, the absolute thrill of this guy emerging as a top flight talent is a major factor for the club. The Oilers are 1-0-1 on this roadtrip and 8-8-2 for the season. Buffalo is a superior team at a glance and upon review, and getting another point tonight would have to be considered impossible.

But Dustin Penner and the Oilers have surprised us before.

EDIT TO ADD: Hemsky may play tonight, Horcoff and Souray are skating but likely to play later in the road trip (if they play at all this trip).

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  1. Bruce says:

    Well thank goodness the "Hemsky is a bad, bad man" group has a place to meet.

    LT: Not me. Never said a bad word about 83 all night. You can read the transcripts. I did criticize the whole powerplay at the end though … am I wrong? They didn't get it done.

    I think a big key to it was Miller keeping the play alive. There wasn't one whistle in the whole 5 minutes I don't think, and Oilers' key players were gassed halfway through.

  2. PDO says:

    BTW.

    Oilers played 3 in 4 nights.

    They now have Thursday, Friday and Saturday off.

    And then play Sunday in Atlanta and Monday in CBJ.

    … big FU to the schedule maker.

  3. PDO says:

    Bruce:

    PP was very good most of the night IMO.

    Created high quality chances. Penner was a load in front of the net.

    Problem was, Miller was having none of it.

  4. Bling says:

    LT:

    Why does the PP have to run exclusively through Hemsky?

    Dustin Penner, when given the opportunity, has been an elite PP performer. Gagner, when given the opportunity, has been an elite PP performer.

    On the match penalty PP, neither guy had the puck for a significant length of time, and that is a problem that can be traced back to 83.

    I'm not arguing the result, and realize that you can't win them all. But damn! They didn't generate any really good chances on that PP until O'Sullivan's howitzer off the post.

    Hemsky needs to use his mates more. No question, IMO.

  5. Swabbubba says:

    Ryan Miller and his Posts. The Sabres are cheap bunch of players. They slash sticks, the hit in the second was right in the numbers. I guess if they don't call it in the second we will try it in the third. The officiating for a lot of games has been bad sometimes game changing bad.
    POS had 2 posts and goal and beauty assist on the EN. The dude just does not want to be in the NHL.

  6. godot10 says:

    //Not happy with Hemsky's decisions on the PP.
    Get the puck. spin, back to the point. 19 times out of 20.//

    The defenders are covering everybody else waiting for the passes. All Hemsky has to do is take the puck to the net occassionally from the half boards, and it would become an elite powerplay instead of a mediocre one.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Bruce: The Oilers PP had chances tonight to my eye. They cashed only once, but there were a lot of chances.

    As for the final 5-minute PP, I can agree there was no urgency but let's also agree that Penner had a glory chance without a stick AND the Sabres did a lot of really smart things (clogging lanes, plus were not predictable in their defense).

    rickibear is prattling on about Gagner, but let's remember that he's still prone to pressure and double team and is at this point a turnover machine when pressure is applied.

    And I hate like hell being criticial of Gagner, but that's the truth.

  8. Bruce says:

    I'll say this though. When we have Hemsky, Souray, Vis and Penner all available for the PP, we really should have a top 10, maybe better.

    Agreed. Add Gagner to that mix too. For sure Oilers have been missing the big shot from the point, and perhaps more importantly, the threat of the big shot from the point. Let Penner muck about in front and let the skill guys loose down low. They have to challenge the box though, just have to.

  9. kinger says:

    Bruce said…

    I did criticize the whole powerplay at the end though … am I wrong? They didn't get it done.

    Simply, yes. Often failing to "get it done" is not grounds for criticism. I hope you prefer to talk about process rather than result; there is an awful less noise in the former.

  10. Lowetide says:

    rickibear: please stop this. I don't want to close this thread, but will.

  11. knighttown says:

    Someone on the Oilers is going to snap and kill someone soon. Way too many cheap shots against and I can't recall a single "cheap shot-for". Are teams taking liberties because of our softness, is it luck or do the Oilers actually respect their opponents more than the average team.

    What do you have for a tally of cheap injuries caused vs. cheap injuries received?

  12. spOILer says:

    LT: yeah, I saw it, and Grebs curled up on the ice. Did they say after the game whether or not he is hurt?

    …Penner played over 24 effin minutes tonight. That's not beers. 24 minutes. He was owned in the FO circle going 0-11. 3 shots, PaddyO led with 5, 23+ TOI.

    Storts scarcely saw the ice in the 3rd.

  13. Traktor says:

    I'm almost forced to hate Gagner because of how much he is overrated.

    60 point one trick pony with average speed and below average size. Yippee.

  14. kinger says:

    Bling:

    Dustin Penner, when given the opportunity, has been an elite PP performer. Gagner, when given the opportunity, has been an elite PP performer.

    Care to provide evidence to support this argument?

  15. spOILer says:

    Traktor said…

    one trick pony

    That much at least is so very very wrong.

  16. kris says:

    We were very good at setting up, recovering, and moving the puck on the PP no doubt.

    Shot selection and our deployment of set plays, especially down low, looked a little weaker than it could've, IMO.

  17. knighttown says:

    @Trak

    You're entitled to your opinion but really? I thought he was excellent tonight winning battle after battle.

    Are 20 year old, 60-point guys that common?

  18. rickibear says:

    Prattling:

    LT: have you watched hemsky turn over the puck. I have paid to for the last 4 years. He is a great rush player with increadible stick skill. who has been lucky to have the best tough comp center in the league covering his mutlitude of turnovers. To deny this would be silly.

    Gagner is a great side board prescence. Right now he is more effective. For penner positional play.

    And generates better results.

  19. Lowetide says:

    Traktor: No. Not true. I can agree Hemsky is the man on the PP but Gagner (barring injury and assuming he'll develop some more and get stronger) is going to be silly good.

    All the things rikibear and others are upset about imo are with regard to "reflex" and "feel." These are the Guy Lafleur skills, and it is often difficult for other players to adjust to them.

    Gagner? Cerebral. Big brain. BIG brain. You can see it even now, his brain trying to do things his body isn't able to. If he can get stronger (and he's stronger now than he was a year ago) then we're talking about a guy who can make a difference in a lot of places.

  20. rickibear says:

    Are 20 year old, 60-point guys that common?

    His first two season point total is the 18th best 18-19 year old seasons in history.

    Around Gordie howes and Lecavaliers start to there career.

  21. Bruce says:

    Mike Danton hour-long interview just starting on RSW. It's a sordid tale, might be interesting to see his perspective, esp. 5 years on.

  22. Lowetide says:

    rickibear: Please provide proof over these 4 years. On the PP, using points-per-60 and not including guys who didn't play much 5×4.

  23. kinger says:

    To lighten the mood I suggest everyone go watch this video.

  24. kris says:

    Ahem,

    Our problems are not:
    Gagner, Hemsky, Horcoff, Penner, Souray, or Visnovsky

    Our problems are that we don't have Glenn X, Malhotra, Stoll, R Bourque, and a whole of other guys.

    Instead we have Comrie playing with Nilsson and an AHL'er and young Cogliano with Moreau and another AHL'er.

    Our depth is the problem, not our stars.

    Focus people.

  25. Bling says:

    kris said:

    With all due respect, the powerplay had an excellent night tonight. A lot of that had to do with Ales Hemsky.

    If you want to encapsulate an entire game into a small stretch in the third go right ahead, but don't expect levelheaded people to agree with your position.

    I was very impressed with the effort. The Oilers had their chances, no question about it, and by my eye outplayed the Sabres.

    However, I don't think it is incorrect to harp on that final PP sequence. It wasn't a "small part of the game." It was a 4 and a half minute power play that resulted in 2 good scoring chances (Penner without a stick and O'Sullivan's post). That "small part of the game" was the difference tonight.

    If we can criticize Moreau for taking boneheaded penalties, if we can criticize the smurfs for being mediocre defensively, if we can criticize Gilby and Grebs — and rightly so, on all counts — then we can sure as hell critisize 83 as well.

    This team is 8-9-1. Why are there sacred cows?

  26. spOILer says:

    PPGFON/60 08-09 // 09-10

    Penner 6.88 // 10.95
    Gagner 6.50 // 9.82
    Hemsky 6.30 // 7.81

    The problem isn't any of these three guys. The problem for me is that when Horc returns Gagner will likely be out, just because he can't win a face-off and Penner struggles against the good FO men.

  27. spOILer says:

    Sorry, for accuracy, 7.91 for Hemmer.

  28. kris says:

    And we once played:

    SMac-Stortini-Strudwick

    Says it all.

  29. kris says:

    Did I say that Bling?

    Uh oh, better take my crazy pills. I'm doing stuff I don't remember.

  30. Woodguy says:

    The defenders are covering everybody else waiting for the passes. All Hemsky has to do is take the puck to the net occasionally from the half boards, and it would become an elite powerplay instead of a mediocre one.

    Agreed, and a quality LH shot who can hit the one timer. POS and Potulny (if he sticks)can both do that. 10 used to do that until he shoulder cratered and he went to the south pole to find hockey sticks.

    LT – never ever in my life or a previous life said Hemsky = bad man. I think he needs to add some skating to his PP work to get the box moving to help open up shooting lanes though.

    Having his shooter(s) move to softer ice in a shooting positing would probably help that out immensely as well.

    You also forgot to mention 83's great play to keep the puck in after Vis got a shoulder on it and it was bouncing out, then the buttery pass to 19.

    Oilers 9/10 5v4 all positions GFON/60 min 2m/60, min 5 games played.

    O'Sully 11.56
    Vis 11.14
    Big P 10.05
    Gagner 9.82
    Comrie 8.31
    Hemsky 7.91
    Grebs 6.80
    Horc 4.46
    Gilbert 2.66

  31. Showerhead says:

    Lucinius: Maybe its just me; but when Hemsky does that bit on the powerplay, where he circles around a few times, I always get the impression he's trying to draw more defenders to him (which usually happens) and waiting for someone else to get open.. and they often don't, but instead stand stock still, and then look surprised when he gets the puck to them and they aren't ready for it at all.

    This is exactly what I see. When the only player willing to move to open spaces is Vis on the far point things can get killed pretty quickly but when the unit is mobile it can work pretty damn well. I'm not sure I'm 100% sold on it as THE way to run Edmonton's powerplay but it is a reasonably good one at times. Tonight, goal aside, I thought the other unit looked more effective but if you want to know why look at the difference in puck retrieval between tonight's versions of 13 and 91.

  32. Bling says:

    kinger:

    Dustin Penner was 17th in the league in PP goals 2 years ago and is tied for 15th in total PP points this year.

    This season, the only LWs ahead of him are Ryan Smyth and Dany Heatley. Funny, that :P

    I'll have to dig up Gagner's PP/60 over his career.

  33. Bling says:

    Ooh, Spoiler beat me to it:

    Spoiler said:

    PPGFON/60 08-09 // 09-10

    Penner 6.88 // 10.95
    Gagner 6.50 // 9.82
    Hemsky 6.30 // 7.81

    My arguement is that Hemsky should use his teammates. It's not like he's playing with a bunch of Peewees out there; he's got some skilled men on his side and should take advantage of that.

  34. kinger says:

    Bling:

    Your assertion was two fold:

    a) Dustin Penner and Sam Gagner are elite PP performers

    b) They are not being given opportunities.

  35. Bling says:

    Kris:

    oops, that should have been addressed to kinger.

    My apologies.

  36. Lowetide says:

    So, we're using 09-10 games as the argument?

  37. Bruce says:

    I hope you prefer to talk about process rather than result; there is an awful less noise in the former.

    Official play-by-play:

    [14:12 Gilbert returns to ice, starting powerplay]

    14:39 BLOCK EDM # 89 Gagner

    15:08 MISS EDM #19 O'Sullivan slap wide of net, 55 ft.

    15:38 MISS, EDM #37 Grebeshkov, Slap wide of net, 58 ft.

    16:00 SHOT, EDM on goal #77 Gilbert, Wrist, 55 ft.

    16:45 GIVE, EDM giveaway #83 Hemsky, Off Zone

    17:06 GIVE, BUF giveaway #55 Hecht, Def. Zone

    18:03 SHOT, EDM on goal, #19 O'Sullivan, Slap, 58 ft.

    19:28 STOP, Offside, visitor timeout

    19:37 GIVE, Edm giveaway = #19 O'Sullivan, Neu Zone

    19:41 GOAL, BUF #55 Hecht , snap, Neu. Zone, 78 feet

    Now I think they missed the goal post in there which was something of a chance, I don't think there was room but Patio did tinkle the outside of the iron. Officially though, in 5:29 of 5v4 or 6v5 the Oilers generated two shots on goal and two wide shots, all of them from 55 to 58 feet out. Call it results or process, that's not getting it done.

    The powerplay WAS much better earlier in the game, but the last 6 minutes was pretty much epic fail. I wish it were otherwsie, believe me.

  38. PDO says:

    Oilers have given up 10 5v5 goals since Horcoff went down 4 games ago and are 1-2-1.

  39. Bling says:

    Kinger/kris :P

    1- I didn't say Gags and Penner weren't getting opportunities. They were on the ice with Hemmer! I was arguing that they aren't getting the puck as much as they should from the PP QB (83). They call it "touches" in basketball ;)

    2- Penner is elite on the PP, and that's evidenced by his top 20 finish in PP goals 2 years ago and his ranking in PP points this season.

    Spoilers numbers show that Gagner is in Hemsky's range as a 19 year old and beating him this season as a 20 year old.

    Elite may have been the wrong word for 89, but my point was that he isn't chopped liver and Hemmer should use him more when they're out there together.

  40. kinger says:

    Bruce:

    Would you characterize both the post and the scramble in front of the net where Penner did not have a stick as 'quality chances'? Neither of those are reflected in the NHL play by play log. To sum up our chances as "two shots on goal and two wide shots, all of them from 55 to 58 feet out" is being disingenuous.

  41. PDO says:

    Grebeshkov down.

    Being flown back to Edmonton.

  42. Traktor says:

    The good thing about having Steve Tambellini as a GM is Daryl Katz saves a ton on his phone bills.

  43. Bruce says:

    Instead we have Comrie playing with Nilsson and an AHL'er and young Cogliano with Moreau and another AHL'er.

    Now it's my turn to call bullshit. "Another AHLer" played 6:28 tonight and in that time produced 1 shot (a very dangerous chance), a team-leading 2 hits, 1 blocked shot, and a 100% success rate in the faceoff circle (2/2). 6 positive plays on the Event Summary, 0 negative ones. He also had the second best Corsi on the team (0, behind only linemate Cogliano's +1; everybody else was in the negative). He deserved more ice time than he got, especially after playing a strong game in Ottawa last night (14:18, +1), but with the team trailing Quinn shortened the bench. So it goes sometimes.

    But I don't see how you can possibly say Zack Stortini didn't do his job tonight. Why the drive-by of one of the Oilers hardest working players? He's in his fourth NHL season for goodness sake.

  44. Lowetide says:

    Stortini's line was the best on the ice for EDM imo. The only thing I can think of saying about him (in a negative way) is that one of his shifts seemed a little long.

    And that's just by visual, I don't have any proof.

  45. kris says:

    Sorry Bruce,

    I didn't intend to call Stortini an AHL'er. He's been very good so far in the 4th line role. He's clearly not the problem.

    I was thinking that the problem with the lineup was that we have too many guys who are more offense and shaky defense -Nilsson, Comrie, Cogliano- playing with some somewhat promising AHL'ers, e.g. Stone, Jacques, Brule, Reddox, Potulny, etc.

    I know we've been playing Moreau-Cogs-Zorg lately, but I didn't mean to refer to that line specifically, just the imbalance between smurfs and recent AHL'ers.

    Again, my apologizes to you and Zach's mother.

    :)

  46. Woodguy says:

    Grebeshkov down.

    Being flown back to Edmonton.

    Oi vey!

    Well, looks like the D trade to make the top 6 stronger in on the shelf for another 6-8 weeks.

  47. kris says:

    That is, the mess we have at forward, causes us to put out lines like

    Moreau-Cogs-Stone

    or

    Comrie-Potulny-Jacques

    No matter how you blend them, they're all bad.

    But no doubt Stortini is turning into a solid 4th line guy, who -if we had the right vets for him to play with- could look okay on a third line, especially in the event of injuries.

    Is this too weak or do you expect more of Zorg?

    I'm hoping

    Moreau-Brule-Stortini

    will be a really nice 4th line when we can get healthy and/or add some vets.

  48. Bruce says:

    Kris: No sweat. I just couldn't let that pass, is all.

    Would you characterize both the post and the scramble in front of the net where Penner did not have a stick as 'quality chances'? Neither of those are reflected in the NHL play by play log. To sum up our chances as "two shots on goal and two wide shots, all of them from 55 to 58 feet out" is being disingenuous.

    Kinger: I very specifically mentioned that post in the same comment as I documented the official play by play. Did you miss it?

    I also mentioned earlier that Penner-with-broken-stick should have been a penalty. It might have been a chance, it's kind of hard to know. It's good that we got the puck to the goal mouth once during that sequence, and the fact that our big gun didn't have a stick at the time sucks. But the rest of the unit didn't get the puck into his area hardly at all, and that sucks too.

    What also sucks is Grebs getting hurt on what appeared to be a vicious knee check. Even if we got the PP and scored it would suck, but as it went uncalled it really, really sucks. I got him in my pool which sucks that much more.

    With all that sucking I'm out of breath. :) The temperature is pretty high around here. We couldn't win the game and nobody's going to win the argument either. I'm checking out for awhile.

  49. kris says:

    Last post:

    You all do agree that the 4th line with Moreau and Stortini is not the ideal use of Cogliano, no?

    He'd be better playing LW with a good, defensively reliable center, with decent size and speed who could pass, yes?

    Maybe Horcoff or Pouliot?

    Cogs-Horcoff-Pisani

    ???

  50. Lowetide says:

    kris: Actually, I think we're at a point with Cogliano that a few weeks with the same linemates might be a good idea. He's an energy player on that line, helps the forecheck and has breakaway speed. He has way more skill than the other two but at this point we need a few weeks of level par.

    He seems to be coming out of the fog with those two. Wouldn't you agree?

  51. spOILer says:

    Injuries are becoming a nightmare for this team. Quinn, not happy with PP tonight, picked on PaddyO a bit. We don't shoot the bloody puck. Not playing simple enough, no common sense.

  52. Woodguy says:

    OTC post game

    A highlight:

    "We've got people who want to do all the dinky little crap to figure they'd put the puck in the net that way.
    Every powerplay that I've ever seen that's worth its salt shoot the puck and we don't shoot the bloody thing. It's tiring to watch and Pat's (19) there for that reason, he's supposed to have a good shot but we don't see it. He scored one tonight but that even took a long time to deliver to the net….
    All we want is simpicity and our guys wants to make something out of nothing."

  53. kris says:

    Yeah LT,

    They were good tonight and last night too.

    1.) I think Brule is even better suited for that energy role.

    2.) Cogs isn't getting shots and the chances he could be. His speed with the puck can really back off defenders, and if somebody were hittong him with nice passes on the fly, he'd be giving defenders fits, IMO.

    3.

  54. Woodguy says:

    Oops, link is to Phillips' calls.

    Speed to the end of that and OTC comes up.

  55. Lowetide says:

    kris: I agree Brule is better suited to the 4line energy role. But is the Cogliano-Moreau-Stortini line getting fewer minutes than Brule's line? I think they're getting more.

  56. rickibear says:

    Jesus LT:

    I looked at the last four years of 5X4 GF/60 and PPpts/60. took only the 1.5Min guys or better. for a minimum 50 games.

    1.5min is a line in the sand for the above average 2nd unit pp guys and 1st unit pp guys.

    I looked at his totals on an excel page and looked at his rank versus the +1.5min guys for each year.

    06/07 167 guys #100 Gf #52 PPP
    07/08 202 guys #18 GF #2 PPP
    08/09 130 guys #101 GF #53 PPP
    09/10 147 guys #62 GF #37 PPP

    Four year average:

    161 Guys #70 GF #37 PP

    That is what i looked at.

  57. Lowetide says:

    rickibear: Ah, I see. We disagree.

    Let's take 08-09 as an example. I think it's fair to ask for at least 50 games. Fair? I mean, we're comparing a player for a specific season, so 50 games is over half and that takes out the guys who got called up early in the season, didn't play much but then found themselves riding shotgun for Crosby.

    Next up, 3 minutes per game on the PP. I think that's fair, because we're talking about a guy who gets a lot of time and this makes sure that every player would have 150+ minutes with the man advantage.

    Based on that, here are the 5×4 numbers for the Oilers in 08-09:

    1. Hemsky 5.00
    2. Horcoff 3.68
    3. Gagner 3.12

    This takes out the Robert Nilsson's and the Andrew Cogliano's.

    Now, using those criteria (50 games and 3 minutes) he ranks 26th overall. Remember, this isn't his best season (injury, ineffectiveness) but he's still inside the top 30 PP performers.

    It's probably even better than that. If you cluster these guys on their respective teams you get a tremendous amount of duplication.

    For instance, there are Capitals at #1, #2, and #10. They are Semin, Backstrom and Ovechkin. Hemsky has no such help.

    Anaheim has Selanne, Perry and Getzlaf above Hemsky, and on it goes.

    I understand the idea that Hemsky's numbers aren't what you want them to be and do agree that Gagner will one day replace him (barring injury) but at this point I cannot see the argument holding water.

  58. Lowetide says:

    Oh, and as an addition: he ranks 3rd in the division using 50gp and 3 minutes as a line in the sand.

  59. dubya says:

    Oilers have given up 10 5v5 goals since Horcoff went down 4 games ago and are 1-2-1.

    Two questions:

    1. What was their record and 5v5 GA in the 4 previous games with Horc?

    2. How many 5v5 goals have they scored in these 4 games vs. the previous 4 with Horc?

  60. godot10 says:

    Because Hemsky has okay numbers on the power plays doesn't meant he can't be better.

    Hemsky is not playing to his potential on the powerplay, and one can see it in the power play stats of his teammates.

    Hemsky doesn't attack the box enough or shoot enough (i.e. mix up his strategies). He is too one dimensional which leaves less margin for error in his preferred strategy.

    He is like a wide receiver who refuses to run short routes to set up his deep routes later in the game. The deep routes then become much harder to execute.

    This is true of Hemsky's passing on the powerplay. Because he doesn't attack the box, or shoot, the opposition concentrates on taking away his passing lanes, which mean his passes have to perfect. His one-dimensional attack also takes away time and space from the teammates he is passing to, since the defenders are overplaying them.

    Hemsky should be a 90-point player, and an elite power play producer. He is not performing to his potential. He isn't because he refuses to chip-n-chase at even strength to set up his one-on-one moves, and he doesn't attack the box on the power play to set up his passing.

  61. Lowetide says:

    Yes, yes. Hemsky is "bad, bad man" alright. The sooner we get his kind out of town the better off we'll bee.

    When we speak about Hemsky as a 'wide receiver' we're at a point where we don't really even care about the heart of the argument, we're just throwing up shit and agreeing.

    If we're going to use football in a conversation about Hemsky, can we agree that he's the QB?

    The QB needs someone to break coverage and then deliver a pinpoint pass to the open man before the window of opportunity closes.

    That my friends is Ales Hemsky. Those curls he does are re-sets (as mentioned above). He doesn't like the high risk options and is looking for others.

    With regard to Penner, if he's a shooter then the Oilers need to either:

    1. move Penner from the front of the net or

    2. Turn him around ala Phil Esposito or Tim Kerr and deliver pucks to him from Gretzky's office.

    Passing to Penner with his back to the goalie doesn't seem to be a high percentage play.

    Anyway, I think this conversation is lost. Hemsky joins Horcoff on the list of players Oilers fans don't believe in.

    If the Oilers players were a church they'd tear it down. What DO you people believe in anyway?

  62. Black Dog says:

    They love whoever is the flavour of the week until he is replaced by the next flavour of the week.

    Nobody on the team is any damn good. Its amazing it took this long for everyone to turn on Hemsky.

    Even the kids – Cogliano, Gilbert, Gagner

    They're all terrible. Ship the lot of them out. We need fresh meat.

  63. godot10 says:

    //The QB needs someone to break coverage and then deliver a pinpoint pass to the open man before the window of opportunity closes.

    That my friends is Ales Hemsky. Those curls he does are re-sets (as mentioned above). He doesn't like the high risk options and is looking for others.//

    Criticism does not mean I don't like the player. I like Hemsky a lot. He is just not reaching his potential as a player.

    If Hemsky is a quarterback, he is a quarterback who refuses to run the football even though the defense doesn't have a spy on him, and they are only rushing three men, and dropping 8 or 9 in coverage, because they know he is only going to pass.

    It means every pass has to be a perfect pass because one is always throwing into coverage.

    The point is to throw to wide open guys, like Peyton Manning does, by confusing the opposition as to what you are doing. You run the ball to set up the pass. You run the ball to set up the play action pass.

    Hemsky wants the challenge of throwing the ball into double coverage all the time, instead of setting up the play so it has a higher probability of success.

    Hemsky's passing on the power play would be much more effective if he would just attack the box on occasion. His one-on-one moves on the rush would be much more effective, if he chipped-and-chased on occassion.

    It is what is preventing him from being amongst the eltie players in the NH, which is where he should be.

  64. dubya says:

    Oilers have given up 10 5v5 goals since Horcoff went down 4 games ago and are 1-2-1.

    OK, so I answered my own questions.

    In the four games since Horcoff went down: 1-2-1, 5v5 GF=6, 5v5 GA=10, FO%=47%

    In the previous four with Horcoff: 1-3-0, 5v5 GF=5, 5v5 GA=12, FO%=41%

    Sample size is way too small to say anything either way, but if you were intending to show Horc's value to the team, these numbers don't do it. And I think they've played better, though Penner and less sick players are probably the biggest part of that. I like Horc and the Oilers need him to succeed, but I really don't think he's pulling his weight this year.

  65. Woodguy says:

    Yes, yes. Hemsky is "bad, bad man" alright. The sooner we get his kind out of town the better off we'll bee.

    That's a straw man, no one is saying that on your blog.

    Those curls he does are re-sets (as mentioned above). He doesn't like the high risk options and is looking for others.

    Perhaps you are correct.

    Or maybe he is looking for an option that won't fumble the pass and get a one timer off for a change.

    Some of us have said that if his options were better, he would be better as well.

    Vis isn't shooting much from the point (shoulder still screwed?) and OTC said they put 19 there to shoot (when he was lambasting him for not shooting)

    10's shooting hasn't been the same since he messed his shoulder up.

    If the Oilers ever get enough defencemen healthy a 2LW with a LH shot to play opposite 83 on PP1 for the one timer while 27 plays road block would help.

    In the meantime 10 and 19 really need to work on the one timer.

    A lot of us just want him to achieve more and are frustrated when he doesn't.

    Its like two brothers in highschool. One scores 70-80% without opening a book, the other works himself to death to achieve 70%.

    If smarty averages 76% and brother averages 68% who is getting more from their ability?

    Maybe those of us who think 83 has more to give are just confused, because with more offensively gifted teammates on the powerplay what he current gives would result in more points.

    Either way, I think your characterization of us who where questioning Hemsky on the PP as hysterical idiots who want him railroaded out of town was unfair.

    Most of us idiots know he's one of the few contract outperformers on the team, and he is perpetually hurt given that he doesn't shy away from tough areas to make plays.

  66. Dennis says:

    This thread's probably cold but here's what i saw from last night's game:

    - Ty's site won't let me add the latest SC's but I had them at 20-17, 9-13 at EV and 11-4 on ST.

    So, I think it's a positive sign that we only finished -4 in SC's when we're playing the second half of BTB and the third game in four nights; plus, we're playing a well rested team that by virtue of it's record probably isn't giving up a whole lot of EV chances in the first place.

    - I didn't mind Khabby's game – holding his position and making that save when Roy walked 24 was a dandy – but he has to stop that Montador goal.

    HAS to.

    - the PP did have a lot of chances and I think the reason why most folks were pissed is because they came up so relatively dry for that last 5 min chance; before that, though, they were in the right position for a lot of plays but Miller was up for the challenge.

  67. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy: What I don't understand is this: WHY is Hemsky the lightning rod? WHERE did this come from?

    Oiler fans seem to be out for blood with regard to Hemsky, and it's a complete mystery. I have no answer for it.

  68. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy: What I don't understand is this: WHY is Hemsky the lightning rod? WHERE did this come from?

    Oiler fans seem to be out for blood with regard to Hemsky, and it's a complete mystery. I have no answer for it.

    He's the lightning rod on the PP because he's in charge.

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