Springfield EV Scoring

This is Chad Wiseman. Don’t know him from Adam, but he is in fact the leader in EV points-per-game for the Springfield Falcons so far this season. One of the main features of the Falcons in 09-10 is the number of AHL veterans and that is most definitely reflected in the numbers below. Wiseman, Charles Linglet, Chris Minard and Colton Fretter aren’t household names to Oiler fans but they’re a big part of Springfield’s early season success.

  1. Chad Wiseman (.786) 14gp, 5-6-11
  2. Charles Linglet (.777) 18gp, 5-9-14
  3. Colton Frett (.647) 17gp, 2-9-11
  4. Chris Minard (.636) 11gp, 4-3-7
  5. Bill Thomas (.400) 5gp, 0-2-2
  6. Bryan Lerg (.333) 9gp, 2-1-3
  7. Ryan MacMurchy (.286) 14gp, 1-3-4
  8. Colin McDonald (.278) 18gp, 3-2-5
  9. Ryan O’Marra (.222) 18gp, 2-2-4
  10. Ryan Potulny (.214) 14gp, 2-1-3
  11. Geoff Paukovich (.167) 18gp, 3-0-3
  12. Slava Trukhno (.118) 17gp, 1-1-2
  13. Liam Reddox (.076) 13gp, 1-0-1
  14. Kip Brennan (.056) 18gp, 0-1-1

And now the blue:

  1. Theo Peckham (.300) 10gp, 0-3-3
  2. Taylor Chorney (.250) 4gp, 0-1-1
  3. Chris Armstrong (.188) 16gp, 0-3-3
  4. Dean Arsene (.125) 16gp, 0-2-2
  5. Jake Taylor (.111) 18gp, 0-2-2
  6. Johan Motin (.077) 13gp, 0-1-1
  7. Cody Wild (.000) 12gp, 0-0-0
  8. Alex Plante (.000) 16gp, 0-0-0

NHL callups in bold. Clearly EV points per game haven’t had too much to do with callups (especially the F’s) but it’s also clear that (unlike the last couple of seasons) the men Springfield is counting on up front are not high draft picks and top level prospects. The days of Pouliot, Schremp, Jacques and Nilsson are gone. Devan Dubnyk’s .926SP is something to follow, though.

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  1. doritogrande says:

    Does that include tonight's result?

    O'Marra had a goal and an assist tonight of note.

  2. LMHF#1 says:

    I like O'Marra's game this year. His time in camp was good. In his NHL game he was alright.

    He might make it after all…

  3. Gord says:

    Having larger, experienced players on a farm team to help the youngsters mature…

    I never would have thought this might be a good idea… LOL

  4. PDO says:

    Rumour mill over at @ HF has Comrie with mono (nice call Coach) and Pisani being admitted to the U of A due to his condition….

    Really hope, at the worst, Pi's can live a normal life without life-altering surgery…

  5. Unleaded says:

    My first thought looking at who people are counting on in the A was "Geeze, the Oilers would be a much better team with Minard, linget, et. all up here that with the prospects we have…" But that isn't necessarily true. What makes them good AHL players will not necesarily make them even average NHL players. It could, but there's no guarantee.

    My next thought was that this is entirely due to the utter failure of the Falcons to get much done the last couple of years when their best players were regularly up in the Oilers lineup filling holes from injuries. Now that they have some decent players to make things happen down there who are staying down there, they're playing well, and succeeding. As is our goalie, and there are some good things happening on the back end down there too, from what I can tell.

    I don't know who was put in charge of fixing that mess over the summer, but they sure did a good job of it. Anyone know if that was Tambo's pet project? Or is there another Howson in the house that we don't know about yet?

  6. B.C.B. says:

    Potulny's 09-10 NHL's EV PTS per Game: 6GP, 0-0-0 (0.000)
    Both of his goals and his one assist have all come on the PP. Is this a reflection of his linemates or his (0.214 Pts/GP against the AAA pitching)?
    Reddox 09-10 NHL EV PTS per Game: 6GP, 0-2-2 (0.333)
    All of his points come from EV play, which is not shock since he has 0:06 PP TOI/6. Is this good luck in the NHL or is it bad luck in the AHL?

    My big questions is what is the quality of competition for the AHL veterans? I can't find JW rankings for this season. Is it that the O'Marra, Reddov and MacDonald are getting the tough minutes while Linglet, Wiseman, and Minard are getting a lot soft minutes?

  7. Mr DeBakey says:

    I don't know who was put in charge of fixing that mess over the summer

    KP

    Its hard to know why it was so bad, but two possibles:
    - the bean-counters; quality, veteran AHLers don't come cheap.
    - rebuilding from scratch, when the Oilers gave up their team, they cut all the Dan Smiths from the system

  8. kris says:

    Is Arsene more useful as the 6/7 guy for us right now or Chorney?

    Forget giving Chorney minutes here for his development.

    Who helps the team more, Arsene or Chorney?

    I haven't seen a whole lot of Arsene, but I think he may be the better defender for us right now.

    Thoughts?

  9. PDO says:

    Kris:

    I think it depends on Grebeshkov's health (out 6 weeks for the record).

    If Greb's is in the lineup, then you want Arsene.

    If Strudwick is in, then you want Chorney.

  10. kris says:

    Also, a question about injuries:

    Stone should've been back by now given initial estimates. Has there been any updates?

  11. kris says:

    PDO,

    Are you saying that the third pairing needs a puck mover like Chorney? I'm not convinced that's true.

    As long as the third pairing is reasonably okay in their own zone, I'm happy. And I suspect Staios-Arsene might be more steady than Staios-Chorney.

    But that's just an opinion, I suppose.

  12. PDO says:

    Kris:

    Ideally, I'd like to have two puck movers on every pairing. However, since there aren't many guys who can break a cycle and move the puck, you tend to have to pair them together, regardless of pairing.

    JMO.

    Healthy, I think our ideal D is probably something like:

    71-5
    44-77
    37-24

  13. Smytty777 says:

    Kris/PDO: I would think if Grebs is healthy both Chorney and Arsene are in the minors. Once Chorney is healthy I think he should go back to the minors to get some time in as he has been off for awhile now, which would mean the Oilers keep Arsene up as the 7th D while Chorney gets back up to speed.

    On an unrelated note is Pouliot back skating? I seem to recall reading he was close to returning to skates.

  14. PDO says:

    Smytty:

    You forgot about 43.

    And I heard Pouliot was supposed to start skating today or tomorrow IIRC… I read too much to remember where from.

  15. melman says:

    How nice is it to have 25 minutes of the Big Sexy back on D. I can' wait until he gets his offense in rhythm. His size and nastiness was sorely missed.

  16. Steve says:

    The better question is whether we'd rather have Arsene or Strudwick as the 7D, once everyone's healthy. Obviously Chorney's better off actually getting playing time in the minors than he is sitting in the pressbox here, but development's not an issue for Arsene. Is he less reliable as an occasional option than Strudwick?

    Besides that, you'd have to think that after his lengthy career of playing every night in the AHL, half a season as an NHL 7D would be just fine with him. Money's better, too.

  17. doritogrande says:

    Kris:

    I personally see no reason to be placing Chorney behind Arsene on our depth chart, and based on how Quinn has deployed the two I think it's pretty obvious that Chorney is the better option.

    Chorney's young and has warts but based on the showing from Arsene, he's a good AHL defender.

    We're not in win-now mode (right? please tell me we're not going to flush prospects for a Leaves type fix) this year, so why give sheltered minutes to a 9-year AHL vet?

    Dean Arsene is this year's Allan Rourke. A great option for when the depth chart goes to pot, but not someone you keep around because he's had a nice stretch.

  18. Unleaded says:

    DG:

    There were some comments made by Quinn in the past week that went something along the lines of "We liked what we saw of Arsene in camp, and he was going to be our first call-up but when he got sick down there, we needed to go with plan B."

    I think Arsene is going to be up here until our top Seven is healthy, and I think that's a good thing for everyone. I'd rather have Chorney in the minors if simply to keep pushing this "no sense of entitlement" idea that seems to have developed this year. It's a much better culture to cultivate.

    Just out of Curiosity, how much of that culture was a result of MacT, and how much simply developed as we kept bringing in more young guys? I remember there being questions about it in 07, especially when Stoll and Reasoner were getting hung out to dry. Any thoughts now that we are 2 years removed?

  19. kris says:

    Okay, fair enough DG.

    Nonetheless…

    1. Doesn't Chorney need some more AHL time? Play big minutes against men, develop some offense on the PP, etc.

    2. Even though we're developing and not likely making the playoffs, you still want to win games. I know that some people want us to tank for a lottery pick, but I really think it's better to have Gagner, Smid, etc. developing on a winnig team. It also helps us get cheap FA's for next year, IMO.

    3. Chorney is a nice prospect, but his underlying numbers show he's been part of the problem not part of the solution so far. He's got the worst +-/60 of all Oilers so far at -1.70, and the worst GA/60 at -3.40 GA/60. (Strudwick is close, obviously) His Corsi (-21.1 is almost as bad as Strudwick's (-22) And even Strudwick has seen slightly harder comp. with worse teammates.

    I get that the kid was acnhored to Strudwick while he was here, but Strudwick's other team mates have done slightly better with him than Chorney.

    4. Arsene might be a decent fill in on the third pairing for Strudwick while we wait for grebs and/or a trade.

    If all 4 are true, I think Arsene should stay.

  20. Oilmaniac says:

    Wow… That blows me away,.. how preferential is treatment when a player goes 1-0-1 in 13 games and gets a call up to the big show…

    I have been fairly happy with how reddox has played since being called up but I am very surprised at how bad his springfield stats are…

    Is this the line that I have to ground myself with, "What makes them good AHL players will not necessarily make them even average NHL players. It could, but there's no guarantee." but what about 'bad' AHL players (stats wise)? how come they have 'any' NHL career – simply still been seen good? (ala last year, reg season for reddox)

  21. doritogrande says:

    Unleaded:

    Looking at TOI, it would appear that Chorney was pretty well liked by Quinn.

    Chorney:

    13 games, 218minutes, ~16:47 per game

    Arsene:

    2 games, 15:54minutes, ~7:57 per game

    It's a small sample size yes, but let's also acknowledge:

    Strudwick:

    20 games, 319.02minutes, ~15:57 per game

    Based on this aspect, it would seem that Chorney commands more attention from Quinn than either.

    You could argue that Arsene's minutes are smaller because we've played the last two games with 7 defenders, but I think that actually lessens the impact of Arsene's minutes. When we've got 7 defenders and we're playing three defenders for more than 22 minutes (Staios, Souray, Visnovsky) and we've got Gilbert riding pine, you'd think that if Quinn was trusting enough of Arsene he'd have seen siginificantly more ice time.

    He didn't. I don't think the coach trusts him as much as TC leads us to believe.

    I'll be surprised if Chorney is sent down before Arsene, because once again we'll be sending out the better player.

  22. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Wow, talk about zero offense from the blue in Springfield!

    Sorry about looking at Springfield stats in a negative view, but thereis an absence of young prospects lighting it up points wise. However, a few of the prospects with the big club should be in the A who would most likely be producing points.

    We need more F'in Rob Schremp hockey down there dammit!

    Off topic, and insensitive, but, the Oilers may have some salary cap room assuming Pisani is placed on the LTIR for a while, perhaps the year.

    What's the first hole to fill with about 2M?

  23. kris says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    That's a very good point. If Pisani is out for at least a couple of months, which seems highly likely to me, Tamb. has the ability to add a body.

    Moreover, Tamb.'s explanation for why he isn't adding to the roster, i.e. there's no cap room and he wants to see this lineup for a while, no longer hold any water.

    Oilmaniac,

    Reddox had a bad stretch to start the season in the AHL, but he's proven he can do very well at that level for a prolonged period.

    And he didn't get the call over any Oiler, or Oiler signed prospect, that had a better record. Remember Minard is injured and some of these guys are on AHL deals.

  24. B.C.B. says:

    "What's the first hole to fill with about 2M?"

    A Veteran Center.

  25. doritogrande says:

    Kris:

    good job backing up your assertions. It's not a shot at your logic, but:

    1: What's better for the kid to develop? Riding the bus playing 20 or so minutes per night with players (the majority of whom are)on the downward slide of their careers; or playing every second game with sheltered (let's say) 12 minutes but learning how to defend against "Actual NHLers"(TM) and having access to the best coaching techniques and strategy? In addition to that, he should certainly get powerplay time with the Oilers if he was healthy. Seriously, Staios on the powerplay? We need some healthy offensive D-men more than Arsene at this point.

    2: Count me as one of those people that would like a good draft pick again. It's early to call the season a lost cause, but we aren't getting any better and the injuries are really starting to get serious. I've been down with mono before during final exams. I couldn't get off my bed to study if I wanted to, let alone try and play hockey. Pisani, well let's hope he can manage his ailments and enjoy time with his kids. If PDO's rumour mill is credible, I think he's going going gone and it's quite a shame. Horcoff's going to be battling this injury all season by all accounts and if he can't win a faceoff we're doomed.

    3: Can't argue with stats here. He's bleeding but we don't have Arsene's number to compare with.

    4: I think it's fair to say that Gilbert > Arsene for the third pairing, no?

    —————–

    The team has nice surprises (Penner, Brule, Smid) but not enough of them this year. If we can turn this season into a top-8 pick I'd still call it a success. If we happen to pull Hall or Seguin out of our asses, I'll be praising hockey gods for a decade.

    I'm just so sick of middling teams that sell the future to pick 14th that I've allowed myself to permit a couple years of absolute garbage hockey, provided we have the right man at the helm to rebuild us.

    I'm starting to question that last bolded aspect.

  26. Bill Needle says:

    "The days of Pouliot, Schremp, Jacques and Nilsson are gone."
    Thank goodness.

  27. kris says:

    DG,

    Quite right. The fact that Quinn is giving the kid minutes -or we should say Renney really- does suggest it's unlikely he'll get sent down over Arsene.

    Of course, that doesn't mean sending him down isn't the right thing to do. It may even be that management is pushing for minutes for Chorney.

    It looks like Chorney isn't back next game, so Arsene will get at least one or two more chances to show that he can be steady.

  28. doritogrande says:

    Sorry about looking at Springfield stats in a negative view, but thereis an absence of young prospects lighting it up points wise. However, a few of the prospects with the big club should be in the A who would most likely be producing points.

    I kinda saw this coming in the off-season based on who graduated. We knew Motin wasn't here to provide offense, and I had a hard time believing that Plante's offense could translate well from the WHL. The organization doesn't like Wild as a prospect and have said so on occasion so he's not going to be getting the cherry minutes. And Chorney's been up with us.

    We're developing defensive defenseman this year. If you're from Sask I'm almost positive you're familar with the concept of "monoculture agriculture". That's what we've been doing the last couple years with our "farm" team. The first crop was puck-movers and small forwards. Now it's bottom 6-ers and defensive defenseman.

    As an ecologist, we're taught that monoculture eventually fails because you rob the soil of specific essential nutrients. Problem is, management is playing our farm like Monsanto and growing the "fad items" while completely ignoring all other crop/player types.

    It'll be nice when we finally harvest those elusive "oversize starting goalies" we planted almost a decade ago.

  29. kris says:

    I should also add, since it hasn't been mentioned, that Arsene can be goon-ish.

    Not that I care about goon-ery, but if we need it, he brings a bit of it.

    And DG, those are all points well taken. I guess we'll see what happens.

  30. kris says:

    Wait a minute. Comrie has mono.

    Mono is "the kissing disease."

    Which means…

    … Haley Duff…

    Dear God. No.

  31. doritogrande says:

    I should also add, since it hasn't been mentioned, that Arsene can be goon-ish.

    Not that I care about goon-ery, but if we need it, he brings a bit of it.

    The $100,000 question then should be, is he a better police-man than Strudwick?

    I really like Strudwick in this role and did last year too. He's got the versatility factor of being a swingman, but if it's determined that Arsene's the better protector, then we have to start considering Arsene as the 7th guy.

  32. Ribs says:

    TSN confirming Comries mono – Link

  33. doritogrande says:

    From TSN, regarding LTIR in the case of Cam Ward:

    Long-term injured reserve requires a player to sit out 24 days or 10 games. The team is targeting Ward's possible return for December 5 against Vancouver. .

  34. Coach pb9617 says:

    I have to change my login to Diagnostician pb9617

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    ha….I was going to ask you Coach-my arm hurts when I go like this…

  36. SK Oiler Fan says:

    dorito,
    You're relating the Oilers developmet strategies to agriculture?
    That's an insult to a noble industry isn't it?

  37. Ed says:

    sk: there ain't much noble about the industrial food system / big ag.

    At least the oilers systems looks like it has the potential to turn the corner. I'm much less optimistic about where my food comes from.

  38. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Question to All:

    For you, has Gilbert Brulé shown enough of his potential, so that we can now trade Cogliano for diverse assets? (Defensive veteran, defensive defenseman) You know history of not having to play Ethan Moreau, Steve Staios on the PP or Jason Strudwick at all.

    Any toughts?

  39. Black Gold says:

    fpb, I think regardless of brule, cogs is in tough with horc and gags ahead of him. The only way i see him helping this team is on the second line wing. I'd like to see what cogs can do after he earns himself some decent linemates before moving him.

  40. B.C.B. says:

    fpb: I have always been on the trade Cogs wagon, I just don't see him long term as a center on this team. But him and Brule bring different skills, and play a different role. To get top value for Cogs, we need to put him on a better line for a while so he gets better numbers.

  41. johnnyshaka says:

    DG,

    Looking at TOI, it would appear that Chorney was pretty well liked by Quinn.

    Chorney:

    13 games, 218minutes, ~16:47 per game

    Arsene:

    2 games, 15:54minutes, ~7:57 per game

    It's a small sample size yes…

    If I'm not mistaken, I think Chorney's time in the lineup was spent while Souray, Viz, Smid, and Staios missed time…with several of those games with more than one of those guys out of the lineup.

    I'm not exactly sure what my point is but I think it might be that the defense, as a whole, was in much worse shape while Chorney was in there…not necessarily because of him being there but moreso because others weren't there…if that makes any sense?

  42. dubya says:

    ha….I was going to ask you Coach-my arm hurts when I go like this…

    Careful, I heard that will make you blind too!!

  43. Bails says:

    Just wondering..

    Those wonderful AHL vets that the oilers signed this past offseason are all on one year deals, no?

    Capgeek says yes, unless I'm missing something. Good job by KP to get help for the farm and the kids this year but the same task is going to be there this offseason.

  44. Asiaoil says:

    FPB – sure I think Cogs can be traded along with one of the PMD (Grebs or Gilbert) to get a serious top 6 LW (Scott Hartnell please but I know it's not happening). If we did not have Gags and Brule around then clearly you keep Cogs longterm – but one of those 3 has to go. Gags has more offensive upside and Brule brings some other stuff to the bottom 6 – no slagging Cogs – it's just a business decision.

    Pisani – he's done folks sad to say

    Arsene and Chorney – send Chorney down and keep the vets. Arsene is fine and Struds can play both D and LW – you lose D at a frightening pace in todays NHL so combo guys have value.

    Let's get on with it already – Pisani and Comrie to LTIR and waive Nilsson to bring in some guys who can actually play a 3rd line role. Trade Cogs and Gilbert/Grebs to get the top 6 LW and another 3rd liner.

    Penner Horc Hemmer
    xxx Gags Sully
    xxx xxx xxx
    Moreau/JFJ/Stone Brule Stortini/Reddox

    Vis Smid
    Souray Grebeshkov
    Staios Arsene/Strudwick

    Gaping holes on the 3rd line and we really need another top 6 LW – good news is the top line is OK and we have a bunch of guys who can fill in the 4th well enough.

    Earth to Tambo – anyone home???

  45. FlamingPavelBure says:

    Asia: If you think thecaptainethanmoreau takes stupid penalties.

    Just wait to see Scott Hartnell play.

    In the top 10 of MINOR penalties year after year.

    (Once i saw him get 2 penalties with 7 seconds of separation (Both High Sticks))

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