G45 Oilers at Blue Jackets

The Edmonton Oilers have some very nice young forwards in their employ currently. NHL history can tell us a lot about what has to be done for this group to succeed over the next decade.

By 1967 summer, the Boston Bruins had a pretty good idea about their defense. Bobby Orr was ready to go super nova and they had a nice group of NHLers like Ted Green, Gilles Marotte and several “bubbling under” blue who could fit right in. They enjoyed so much goaltending the Bruins couldn’t keep it all, losing HOFer Bernie Parent and fine G Doug Favell in that summer’s expansion draft.

The Bruins also had some good to very good wingers (Johnny Bucyk, John McKenzie, Ed Westfall) but they were not strong up the middle. Boston needed size and skill; some of it would come from Derek Sanderson, a rookie (of the year) in 67-68. The rest would arrive via what is likely the most lopsided trade in history: Chicago acquired C Pit Martin (an undersized but quality 2-way C), defenseman Gilles Marotte (a big time hitter new coach Harry Sinden wasn’t fond of) and goalie Jack Norris for centermen Phil Esposito and Fred Stanfield and big winger Kenny Hodge.

The Edmonton Oilers don’t need wingers, but they sure could use a center, two defenseman and a goaltender. How are they going to get it?

The original Pronger trade might offer us a clue. That deal sent a young but experienced Eric Brewer, former 1st rd pick Jeff Woywitka and a solid prospect who had come through an injury filled season (Doug Lynch) to St. Louis. Now, I know the tumblers all fell into place and am not suggesting that the Oilers will score the Rake 2.0 for a package of a young defenders, but maybe there’s a trade out there that allows Edmonton to ice 4 dependable defensemen?

I don’t know, maybe it’s a trade for the right to negotiate with a Tim Gleason (in photo above) before free agency. Whatever it is, the Oilers are giving back too much this season due to the breakdown on the blue. I’ll blame the Whitney injury and Cam Barker’s signing, you may have other reasons for the poor performance. Goaltending is another issue. Edmonton still doesn’t know if Devan Dubnyk can play 50 games, but I will give credit to the organization for using him more lately and we should know about his performance over 35 games by the end of the season.

I don’t think Steve Tambellini has shown the ability to pull off a trade like the one Edmonton badly needs to address without poking a big hole in the other side of the boat. If they sign the current GM, there’s little doubt he’ll make the trade to address defense–ready or not–this summer. I believe the lottery pick and pretty much all of the prospects might be in play, plus a youngster like Magnus Paajarvi or Jeff Petry.

The wild card in all of this is Daryl Katz. Is he a quick learner? Does the fact that Steve Tambellini is without contract (as has been reported by many) mean that the owner has another plan for phase two of the rebuild?

I guess we’ll cross that road when we get to it.

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  1. regwald says:

    “The Edmonton Oilers don’t need wingers, but they sure could use a center, two defenseman and a goaltender. How are they going to get it?”

    Well, it only took the last 2 years to realize the Belanger was needed to replace Stoll and then Brodziak. By the time Tambo figures it out, someone else will be in his chair getting it done.

    One of my favorite adages is …. When faced with a decision you can do three things – the right thing, the wrong thing or nothing. And the first two are infinitely better than the last one.

    Tambo just waits and waits and waits. Moving him out the door sooner than later is important. I wouldn’t want him to burn down the walls like Gauthier in Montreal. Bring in the next phase GM, ASAP !!!

  2. Lowetide says:

    Regwald: One reason I believe ST will still be here in the summer is that they’re going to go through the deadline with him. If you’re going in another direction, wouldn’t you cut the ties right away?

  3. cabbiesmacker says:

    Thanks for reminding a longtime Hawks fan of the rape, er, trade way back when LT. That one left a mark that hung around until 2010 thank you very much.

    Agree 100% with the “require two defencemen” school of thought. How they are employed by this team is another question. For 2012 – 2013 I’d like to see…

    Gilbert – ?
    Smid – ?
    Potter – Petry
    (Peckham)

    but I’d be ok with

    Gilbert – Smid
    ? – ?
    Potter – Petry
    (?)

    So we need a #1 or a set at the 3 – 4 spots?

    I think there would be teams interested in taking a chance that Peckham becomes a consistent contributor and his penchant for the rough stuff should only make him more appealing.

    If they even think about trading Petry it’s a sign they really are in full helter skelter mode with no defined version of a rebuild on the table. The kid has picked up his game big time the past few games imo, and aside from the odd gaffe attributable to his experience I think he projects well in a couple of years. Somebody has to provide some offence in the backend equation and both he and Potter look like decent options on the PP.

    As far as forwards go we have 4 real top 6 versions if Hemsky stays. Centre is a CF with a soft minutes rookie, shutdown with no offensive ability contract albatross, and a smallish tweener. Apparently we have an issue with size + skill at the position.

    Would take issue with the we’re ok at wing thoughts. I think we need one of each at L and R. Particularly if Hemsky bids adieu. If our third line is Horcoff centering Smyth and Jones in 2012 – 2013 we’ve made some real nice progress but I doubt it happens. We seem to prefer the bandaid process over any sort of planning and skillful execution.

  4. Mr DeBakey says:

    I see in the opening paragraph of Staples’ Journal piece this morning the new arena is now more than “a state -of-the-art home for concerts and hockey games.”

    That guy slays me.

  5. Jordan says:

    I’m not going to lie – I’m a hell of a lot more scared of Katz having a plan and getting rid of Tambellini than I am of re-signing him.

    The suggestion that Katz might let Lowe and MacT run things because they’re all friends scares the crap out of me. And there’s enough connections there that I could see there being truth in it.

    I fully agree that there needs to be some moves made to create balance and move from being a developing team to a contending team… but considering how well stocked the cubboards are now for this team, I’m terrified that anyone else coming in will sqander it to try to win now.

    At least with V 3.0 we know he won’t dump the prospects. We may not have enough NHLers now, but the way the team is drafting and developing players, we will have them by the boatlaod in a few years.

    I don’t want to piss away a good shot at a new Oilers dynasty for a one year wonder run.

    Been there, done that.

  6. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Regwald: One reason I believe ST will still be here in the summer is that they’re going to go through the deadline with him. If you’re going in another direction, wouldn’t you cut the ties right away?

    Given that Vish still has his hand on the throttle (see what I did there?!?) I can see them running with v3.2 through the trade deadline AND punting him in the summer.

    When you here other NHL execs talk about the Oilers, the majority bring up Lowe’s name first. He’s still steering the ship. He says he has clarity now. He bloody well better show some clarity soon. Kevin Lowe Dcorps have never been as terrible as the one’s they have iced the last two years.

    That’s the reason I can see the scenario where v3.2 spends the rest of the season as GM, then gets pink slipped when real teams are playing in a big tourney for a big cup. He gets to do nothing without the blessing of one of the 6 rings (6!).

    Otherwise you have v3.2 deciding not only how to add D without giving up a lot, but also the future of the best Oiler since Doug Weight.

    It physically pains me when people are happy that Hemsky’s playing better because he’s get more in trade at the deadline.

    The Oilers need Hemsky waaaay more than he needs them.

    I really hope they sign him.

  7. SpotTheLoon says:

    Hey, I got to cross that road in September. There was some guy that walked back and forth across the cross walk on Abbey Road at least 50 times, having a friend take pictures. I thought I was bad doing it 5 times. lol

  8. Jordan says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy: He gets to do nothing without the blessing of one of the 6 rings (6!).

    Thanks Woodguy. I can’t help but think of Kevin Lowe as Sauron now. Good job.

    Since the team already has a Samwise, how much further can this ridiculous Oilers-themed rip off of Tolkien’s work go?

  9. regwald says:

    Lowetide,

    Yes, that’s exactly what I am worried about – going through the deadline with Tambo and having him give away Hemsky for magic beans.

    I think you are right, he’s here until the summer. Ugh.

  10. Woodguy says:

    David Staples refutes Ritch Winter’s take that the Oilers are making a mistake by not playing their teenaged Dmen in the NHL. Ritch’s post about playing teenage Dmen and blasting Oiler management is here.

    I agree with David that Ritch is off the mark. Its in an NHL team’s best interest to have player’s 7 year rights window overlap their most productive years as much as possible. Reams of information is available showing that Dmen usually peak from 25-32.(forwards generally 22-29)

    Ritch points to CHI as an example of his thinking, but conveniently leaves out the fact that Keith was 22 in his rookie year and Seabrook was 20 in his rookie year. They were both rookies in 05/06.

    The response by poster “Ice Rink Eschatologists” to WInter’s post is very good.

    You can blast Oiler management for many things, but not playing teenage Dmen in the NHL isn’t one of them.

  11. bookje says:

    regwald,

    You do realize that for much of the last two seasons the intent was to finish last. The filling of obvious holes becomes less important, and in fact detrimental in such a situation.

  12. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy: Given that Vish still has his hand on the throttle (see what I did there?!?)

    WG: You made me laugh out loud at 9 o’clock on an icy Tuesday morning, that’s what you did there.

    LT: The Esposito deal was a huge but I’m not sure I’d categorize it as the most lopsided in history, just because Chicago got some real value in return. Not full value obviously, but Pit Martin was a real player who was a fixture in the Windy City for the next decade, averaging ~25 goals and >60 points a season, while being a central player on a perennially strong team. Gilles Marotte didn’t last that long in Chicago, but was the centrepiece in a trade to the Kings that landed Bill White. In all Martin played over 1100 NHL games, Marotte over 800.

    To me a lopsided trade is something for nothing, e.g. Red Kelly for Marc Reaume or Kris Draper for a dollar. :) Whereas the Espo trade belongs in the category of the Gretzky deal or the Messier deal or pretty much anything Mike Milbury ever did.

  13. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    regwald,

    You do realize that for much of the last two seasons the intent was to finish last. The filling of obvious holes becomes less important, and in fact detrimental in such a situation.

    You can make an argument that they tanked last year (10/11)

    In 09/10, the signed Khabby, brought in Quinn, traded for Heatly, and spent to the cap….. and finished 30th.

    You cannot argue that they meant to tank that year, in fact all their actions say they were trying for the opposite.

    This year they talked about “meaningful games in March” and they are in the lottery again (and were there before RNH, Eberle, and Gilbert went down) and they have failed again.

    I have a really hard time buying into the “purposeful” tank outside of last year.

  14. regwald says:

    Woodguy,

    I don’t buy the purposeful tank theory – the word incompetence comes to mind actually.

  15. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:
    David Staples refutes Ritch Winter’s take that the Oilers are making a mistake by not playing their teenaged Dmen in the NHL.Ritch’s post about playing teenage Dmen and blasting Oiler management is here.

    I agree with David that Ritch is off the mark.Its in an NHL team’s best interest to haveplayer’s 7 year rights window overlap their most productive years as much as possible.Reams of information is available showing that Dmen usually peak from 25-32.(forwards generally 22-29)

    Ritch points to CHI as an example of his thinking, but conveniently leaves out the fact that Keith was 22 in his rookie year and Seabrook was 20 in his rookie year.They were both rookies in 05/06.

    The response by poster “Ice Rink Eschatologists” to WInter’s post is very good.

    You can blast Oiler management for many things, but not playing teenage Dmen in the NHL isn’t one of them.

    Is that post by Winter an application for the GM job?

  16. Bos8 says:

    I don’t know. True the Oilers desperately need a big center and at least one top four D. The Whitney injury sure did throw a kibosh into the D core. On the positive side Musil, Klefbom and Marincin look like they’re one to two years away if they’re not all thrown into the deep end all at the same time.and Petry is looking better every ten games.. I’m very encouraged by his play of late. Teubert is another that shows positive flashes of a very good to excellent D.

    It all comes down to Whitney, if he can come back next year. If he can’t, then there is a problem but that can’t be addressed until later. I would really hate for the Oilers to panic and trade away one of the high end kids, especially Marincin or Klefbom. Marincin, looks like a monster aborning in Regina and Klefbom sure did look good in the WJ.

    I don’t think the Oilers will finish in the lottery so a Girgensons, Gaunce or Faksa should be available for a big center need.

    Basically the need is for an older, calm mentor type defenceman that could cycle the kids for a year at a time. If Klefbom comes over next year he could be ready a year later.

  17. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    Yep, they started year 1 trying to compete, then ST2 –>ST3 and the tank was on. As for this year, only ST and Katz know. The most likly goal was some improvement and finishing something like 20th.

    Reg- if you don’t understand that last year was a tank job, you’re not paying attention. I am not suggesting that ST is competent at building a winning team, but in evaluating the moves the team makes, you need to consider the overall strategy. If you don’t like the strategy, then focus on that.

  18. VOR says:

    LT,

    If you are going purely on math Tim Gleason would be a great pickup (for example his defensive point share is astounding – this is a guy who plays the hardest minutes, often with the worst team mates and holds his own). Interestingly if you are going on heart Tim Gleason would the #1 Free Agent in the off season.

    If all the Oilers did was sign Gleason in the off season they would have taken a huge step forward.

    Gilbert Smid
    Petry Gleason

    would be the beginning of a great defence by committee approach.

    You would still need a depth guy (Bruno Gervais, Mike Lundin) to go with the kids. But those competent no name players’ phones don’t start ringing until weeks after Free Agency opens. So no panic there.

    It would probably be worth giving up something to have a few weeks to negotiate with Gleason before anybody else got a shot. The question is how much would you be prepared to give up? I’d think every team with a legitimate shot at the cup and some prospects to give up will be at least slightly interested.

  19. jake70 says:

    “Traded for Heatley…finished 30th.”

    Woodguy, not trying to be an ass because you are top notch in terms of posters here IMO, but Heatley didn’t play 09-10 in Edmonton…would they have finished 30th if he did? Probably but who knows how mamy 1 goal games that year would have been won instead of lost with Heatley in an Oil jersey. Heatley >>>>> O;Sullivan.

    LT,
    Centers – RNH, Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger – we need a center? Who goes?

  20. VOR says:

    BOS8,

    If you are just looking for a calm mentor for the kids, how about Shaone Morrisonn? He logged massive minutes in Washington mentoring Mike Green and was rock solid on defence. Got in a numbers game, passed in Washington by kids he mentored, passed in Buffalo by kids he mentored – buried in the minors. 9000 plus minutes in the NHL most of it playing with kids and for all that a plus player. No offence at all, but the definition of solid journeyman.

  21. spoiler says:

    We need a Centre? Did LT just trade Gagner?

  22. FastOil says:

    “I don’t think Steve Tambellini has shown the ability to pull off a trade like the one Edmonton badly needs to address without poking a big hole in the other side of the boat”

    Nailed it LT. He is a scary man until he shows (or is allowed to) some sign of competence. I commented on ON that I find it concerning that they want Johansen and can’t pry him out of Howson who is likely getting pretty desperate and deep at centre. Given the hardest players to get are the ones the Oilers need most, Tambelowe should be moving heaven and earth to get them in place and move forward. Wingers, goalies, and second tier players are much easier to find.

  23. Bos8 says:

    VOR: BOS8,If you are just looking for a calm mentor for the kids, how about Shaone Morrisonn? He logged massive minutes in Washington mentoring Mike Green and was rock solid on defence. Got in a numbers game, passed in Washington by kids he mentored, passed in Buffalo by kids he mentored – buried in the minors. 9000 plus minutes in the NHL most of it playing with kids and for all that a plus player. No offence at all, but the definition of solid journeyman.

    I agree completely on your pick or at least someone like him. The Oilers can’t wait five years in developing their young D. The old lemons thingy. I partially agree with Winters in that I would plug in Klefbom next year with Teubert remaining on the team this year. The time frame with the forwards forces them to do that. If the Oilers don’t do that then the window will close. So the time frame woudl be Teubert this year, Klefbom next and Marincin the year later. Yes, Teubert has warts but he’s past the adrenalin rush and is starting to build confidence.

    My question is on the coaching because if you’re forcing young D you need a techician and I don’t know if Smith fits that description. Renney gets the gaffe but I wonder if Bucky and Smith are his boys or a force job. I remain sceptical of those two. The head coach doesn’t have time to be a Billy Moores.

  24. Woodguy says:

    jake70:
    “Traded for Heatley…finished 30th.”

    Woodguy, not trying to be an ass because you are top notch in terms of posters here IMO, but Heatley didn’t play 09-10 in Edmonton…would they have finished 30th if he did?Probably but who knows how mamy 1 goal games that year would have been won instead of lost with Heatley in an Oil jersey. Heatley >>>>> O;Sullivan.

    LT,
    Centers – RNH, Gagner, Horcoff, Belanger – we need a center?Who goes?

    Oilers finished 30th by 12 points. My crystal balls says that if they had Heatley instead of Penner, Smid and Cogliano, they would have finished 30th by maybe 8 points?

    Penner had 62pts that year, Healtly had 82pts (Heatly played a lot with Thornton that year, Penner with Horcoff). Assuming Cogliano’s replacement would have had his steller 28pts, I doubt the effect is much, if any at all.

  25. ashley says:

    regwald: One of my favorite adages is …. When faced with a decision you can do three things – the right thing, the wrong thing or nothing. And the first two are infinitely better than the last one.

    I don’t know who said that, but I don’t agree with it. Choosing “the wrong thing” is most certainly not better than doing nothing. This applies to a lot more than managing a hockey club. One bad blockbuster can ruin this entire rebuild in a single day. I know everyone likes trades (gives us something to talk about, something to analyze), but doing nothing when the right deals aren’t on the table shows more wisdom than incompetence (if in fact that is what is happening). Rushing to “do something, anything!” is the stuff that Mike Milbury is made of, and is a recipe for disaster.

    In every trade, there will usually, and ultimately be a winner and a loser. Like when you buy a stock, you always think it’s going to be the winner and if Tambellini was only to make a trade, it would most certainly make this team better. However, the person you bought the stock from believes just the opposite, and statistics show, for stock picking, that the average retail investor is going to be the loser more often than the winner. The pros (institutional traders) are patient, watch a lot, and do nothing unless the situation is obviously compelling. Could it be that Tambellini is just really good at this?

  26. Bos8 says:

    Gagner didn’t all of a sudden become four inches taller and develop a quick release accurate snap shot. Hall and Hemsky are as good as it gets, forwards. If you can’t look good with them you shouldn’t be up there. Last game, just that I noticed, there were at least four instances of puck on his stick in ideal circumstances and nothing happened. He can’t finish, that’s it that’s all. The Oiler centers are small or at least they play small. It’s not the size but how strong you are on your skates. I give you Omark as an example. We’ve all played against those 5’8″ square D that hit and hurt you.

    This trading or not signing Hemsky is so stupid that it boggles the mind. As soon as he’s gone you’re looking to replace him and it can’t be done without gutting the team.

  27. rich says:

    What is also scary is let’s say 3.2 does get punted this summer. Now you’ve got Vish who has to hire a GM and what experienced person is going to come in and allow himself to be turned into Pinochio while Vish is pulling the strings?

    You may say that part of the deal to get any one of real value is that they have to have complete autonomy but that’s not the Edmonton model that Katz/Vish are building.

    Or would they move MBS up into a GM chair and allow his lieutenants run the draft/scouting while he begins to clean up professional procurement?

  28. Jordan says:

    spoiler,

    No, but some people beleive the team should – there is a theory that you need BIG skilled centres to win.

    It’s quite true that Toews (6’2″) Malkin (6’3″) Bergeron (6’2″) Getzlaff (6’4″) have all played a big role in their teams cup runs. But they are certainly not the only pieces that needed to be there. Furthermore, Detroit managed their win without their top centreman being a load – Pavel Datsyuk is not a large man.

    There are much more important holes – namely #1 D and depending on how you role them, #2, #3, or #4.

    This team’s big problems are not in getting a big #1 (or #2) C. It’s getting more NHL calibre players (especially on the back end), playing consistently, and ensuring that young players are put in roles they can succeed in.

  29. DoubleJ says:

    Howdy Lowetide. I’m sure you guys have commented on this, but is Belanger back in the lineup? Just wondering because the last game that second pp unit looked way too good with PRV instead the stud faceoff man.

  30. DoubleJ says:

    I think the Oilers should look into Tuomo Ruutu(sp) from Carolina in the off season. He’s a big gritty forward who plays everywhere in the top three lines. He would be very usefull in Edmonton very simular to Jones, but more skill.

  31. Ducey says:

    Frankly, I am tired of all this talk of needing a top defenseman. The Oilers are 16th in goals against in the entire league and this is a team that doesn’t even play the trap (at least not the full blown version).

    St Louis is atop the NHL standings with a D core of Pietrangelo, Colaiacovo, Ian Cole, Cade Fairchild, Jackman, Russell, Shatenkirk, and Huskins. None of these guys was considered a #1 or #2 defenseman. Cade Fairchild??

    Now that they are atop the standings in points and Goals against, the smart fellas on TSN will start talking about how great Pietrangelo, Huskins and Colaiacovo (their D leaders in Rel Corsi) are. With the exception of Pietrangelo and Sahttenkirk all of these guys was generally available at one time or another for a song. Was it some magic roster construction by the GM that put all these guys together or was it the new coach (Hitch) and his new defensive style?

    As for the Oilers, how can you say that a team that has gone from 28th in GA to 16th has no made substantial improvements on defence?

    There is one easy way for the Oilers to make even more improvements. Just play the trap like St Loius and LA do. Shut it down 5 on 5 and then rely on their highly ranked PP to score goals.

    Look. I don’t have a problem with improving the team, but so much of the analysis around here has fallen into the gutter. It seems that much of what is going on around here (and in the City) is that people are looking at the standings and saying we are near the bottom so nothing has improved. Thats no better than just looking at a guys points and plus minus. Are we not supposed to be a little smarter than the average puckhead around here?

    Shouldn’t we be looking at why Shea Weber and Ryan Suter are supposedly so good? Sure they are talented, but doesn’t the fact they play on a trap team play into that? Do you think Marty Brodeur would have been just as good if he didn’t play behind the Lemaire trap?

    Shouldn’t we look at the fact things have improved (and substantially) on this team on virtually all fronts statistically? Or are we just going to wait for the Oilers to go on a winning streak to say “Gee, the Oilers have improved”.

    Because if the sum total of your analysis is that the GM sucks because the Oilers lost 5-0 to the Ducks, the flip side is that he is pretty fucking smart when they beat Chicago 9-2.

  32. DoubleJ says:

    Why is it a given Bobby Ryan is going to Toronto? I think the Oilers could package up something better then Kadri and Schenn. He’d be a perfect replacement for Hemsky if that’s the way Oilers are leaning.

  33. Clay says:

    A lot of the talking heads on the sports networks keep saying that they’re “hearing” that virtually everyone in Buffalo is available, including Tyler Myers.

    As armchair GMs, would you go after him, and for what price?

  34. DSF says:

    Ducey,

    Ducey, the Oilers are only 16th in GA/G because of Khabibulin’s out of body experience in the first 12 games of the season.

    They were 1st at that time and have been dropping like a rock ever since.

    They gave up 15 goals in the first 10 games and 33 in the second 10 and have maintained that level,or worse, ever since….36 GA in their last 10.

    They are currently .03 GA/G from being in 21st and will no doubt reach that level in a matter of days.

    The PP is certainly better this season but 5V5 play remains abysmal (24th and dropping) and the PK is about league average.

    Some progress, sure but, at the rate they are no giving up goals, the picture at the end of this season isn’t likely to differ much from last season.

  35. DoubleJ says:

    Buffalo needs to change the coach it’s time. That will probably happen before a big trade. IMO.

  36. rickithebear says:

    Oscar Klefbom performed to WJC allstar status (Musil was better). Of the past 11 WJC allstar teams. 17 of the 19 Dmen played the next year in NHL.
    Phanuef was held back for a red deer team the gm’s brother owned.
    The other played out his SM-ligga contract before coming over.

    We have two Junior dmen that would be on any other NHL team next year as a 6.
    Our Problem: (cabbieSmacker)
    This year two of tour three dmen who were top 20 in the last two years are hurt.

    Looked At 10 Categories for Dmen
    1. Top 50 Hits/GM
    2. Top %0 Blocks/Gm
    3.Faced Toughs (comp)
    4. Top Corsi on
    5. Denalties Taken below avewrage
    6.Penalties +/- betterthan AVG
    7. Points /60 around .6 or better
    8. top GA/60 ADJ save %
    9. Zone Finnish +/-
    10. Top PK

    There are currently 3 dmen who cover this
    Gleason
    Smid
    Weber

    Take out the RTSS categories there are 12:
    Jackmann
    Vlasic
    Letang
    Mcdonagh
    Suter
    Weber
    Spurgeon
    Doughty
    Smid
    Gilbert
    C. butler
    Gleason

    So while i am torn between introducing two young Dmen.
    Petry is on the cusp of the categories. Potter needs to play 2nd/3rds.

    And whitney was in the group that ended up being 18 Dmen last year.

    Whitney-XXXX
    Smid-Gilbert (top 5 pair this year) Have to change this (top2 Pr)
    XXX-Petry
    Potter

    When I look at this and expected injury history,
    We need Gleason,
    Musil and Klefbom will get games.

  37. DeadmanWaking says:

    When faced with a decision you can do three things – the right thing, the wrong thing or nothing. And the first two are infinitely better than the last one.

    It was just like Paton to charge into the infirmary and threaten the PTSD cohort into a quick recovery with his pearl-handled revolver. The man never saw a Hippocratic oath he didn’t spit out. History is written (and graves are filled) by the decisive. Sometimes the shovel is mightier than the sword. Horses for courses, my friend.

    I’ve seen mentioned “the” rebuild a fair amount lately. “the” is a problem word. “a” means “I’m still thinking about it”. “the” means “I’m done thinking about it, and here is how we screwed up”. “the” is blame in motion.

    Personally I think we’re in the middle of a quadruple rebuild.

    A = arena
    O = organization
    R = reputation
    T = talent
    A = arrows

    I just added that last one for no reason. Particularly the “no excuses” crowd is complaining about “the” rebuild, which cracks me up, because I blame precisely this “no excuses” sentiment for spurring Katz’s episode of whale hunting, which set the whole program back by another year or two.

    GM suite: Seriously, boss, we throw money at them, they won’t sign here.
    Batman: I don’t believe you. Green is green is green is green.
    GM suite [sighing]: I smell another full court press.
    Batman [post Kelowna]: You told me the girl wouldn’t put out, and now I believe you. Not even batman’s special eau-du-fat-wad. Bah, she’s not such a looker anyway.
    GM suite: Sometimes you’re better off with the girl next door.

    The good news is that arrows are finally pointing up: the new kids are carrying the mail, more so than last season, only not with standings.

  38. bendelson says:

    In regards to David Staples article: when discussing players that peaked or near peaked in their 4th seasons as a pro – how do we know these players didn’t benefit long term from those first three or four years in the NHL? Would their breakout seasons come in and around the same time if they spent those early years developing in the AHL? Would Chris Pronger have taken that leap forward if his first season in the NHL was at 22 years old or would he have still needed a few years in the NHL before stepping forward – thereby not reaching his high end until 24 or 25?

    I guess I’m wondering if the growing pains would exist regardless of when a defencemen first enters the league.

  39. bendelson says:

    I know I’ll likely be taken to task over these suggestions but for elite defencemen does the two step process of development help or imped their progress into elite NHL defencemen? Entry level contracts aside, don’t you want your high end defencemen to reach their peak NHL performance ASAP?

    Has Kulikov’s progress been delayed or advanced?

  40. hags9k says:

    I just have to get it out…..
    We have patiently waited for Hemsky to break out for years and years. Every year he plays the same way. Hold on too long, pass up the shot, cough it up at the blue line, spit in the face of puck possession. This year he looks a combination of hurt, disattached, frustrated, and just not very good. So BUTTER SOFT, guys look forward to playing him. The break out year is not coming. I really don’t think we will miss him as much as LT and others tend to think. Ask yourself why he isn’t wearing the C by now. Because he simply hasn’t ever taken to playing winning hockey, and seems unwilling. Born of the Kovalev tree, he is the anti-Smyth. Where 94 simplifies, 83 complicates. I appreciate his skill and abilities, but he does not have true winning hockey sense like a RNH (not many do I know but you can see the difference between a real player). He does not appreciate the consequences of turnovers and he just hates sending the puck to the net at the right time. The object of the game is to get the puck in the net, but Hemmer seems to think the only way to do this is to pass it around until the goalie is in the corner and the shooter has an open net. But send him in 1 on 3 and he is more than willing to try and dangle both D and send a harmless partially blocked wrister right on the ice, wide of the net. Over and over and over he just doesn’t get it. I wish he would be re-signed but only for the optics and the message to the kids because we need to at some point make a stand and keep our vets and our skill. But if he is sent out I for one will be happy. I don’t think he is a leader, don’t think he is tough enough, fast enough, or smart enough to play the way we want Oiler hockey played. Nice kid, all the best, but guys he’s just not a winner. Miss him sorely? Hardly. Jones has more jam in his pinky finger. I think we will get by without his 35 games and 5 ginos. Here’s an apple and a roadmap.
    I feel better now.

  41. Bruce McCurdy says:

    DeadmanWaking: One bad blockbuster can ruin this entire rebuild in a single day.

    Yeah, like the Phil Esposito deal ruined it for Chicago.

    DeadmanWaking: Personally I think we’re in the middle of a quadruple rebuild.
    A = arena
    O = organization
    R = reputation
    T = talent
    A = arrows .

    A quadruple bypass, more like it. Nice acronym, btw.

  42. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    A lot of Dmen that a bunch of us want for the Oilers aren’t the Suter/Weber types, more of the Garrison/Weaver/Gleanson types.

    We’re realists.

    DSF is right, most of what you quote in terms of “defensive play” is a left over mirage from when they lead the league in goals against/gm after 12 games.

    They’ve gone from 1st to 16th in 25 games.

    What does that say? (besides the fact that Khabby can’t be .965 all the time.)

    Seriously Ducey, if you can’t see the need for better Dmen on the team then I’m sure what you are watching.

    The Oilers need better players to be a better hockey team. Pretty simple really.

  43. bookje says:

    hags9k,

    If you find hockey interesting to comment on, you might want to start watching the games at some point. What do you mean ‘Patiently waiting for Hemsky to break out’? I seem to remember him having seasons with more than 60-70 points? How do you criticize him for not being ‘tough enough’ or ‘caring enough’ when he is typically criticized for taking too many risks to get to open pucks.

    Let me say this – Hemsky has been hurt a lot over the last couple of seasons and that affects his value to this team (and any other team). Hemsky played poorly to start this season, but anyone who actually watches hockey and pays attention has to be aware that most players coming back from serious injuries take anywhere from a few months to an entire year to get back into form.

    So BUTTER SOFT, guys look forward to playing him. – After re-reading this comment, I realize that you must simply be making ridiculously ignorant comments just to get a response. Nobody could be that stupid. Good job, you got me. Its just that it almost seemed like you were being serious.

  44. Woodguy says:

    hags9k,

    We have patiently waited for Hemsky to break out for years and years.

    He’s a career 0.80pts/gm. Best Oiler since Weight. What exactly are you waiting for? 0.85? 0.90?

    Get rid of a 0.80 player because you think he should be 0.90?

    So BUTTER SOFT, guys look forward to playing him.

    Really? Why do opposition coaches put their best Dpairing against him when Hall-RNH-Eberle were all healthy then?

    . Ask yourself why he isn’t wearing the C by now.

    Every player needs to be captain? Mike Bossy must have been shit then. Jari Kurri too.

    Because he simply hasn’t ever taken to playing winning hockey,

    You know he’s playing for the OIlers right?

    Over and over and over he just doesn’t get it.

    I wish the other Oilers didn’t get it to the tune of 0.80pts/gm.

    The object of the game is to get the puck in the net, but Hemmer seems to think the only way to do this is to pass it around until the goalie is in the corner and the shooter has an open net.

    The Oilers have scored more goals with Hemsky on the ice than any other player since Weight. Pretty sure he knows how they go in.

    . I don’t think he is a leader,

    Neither was Glenn Anderson, and he did ok.

    Why do you hate Hesmky for what he’s not (gritty, jammy, tough leader), instead of appreciate him for what he is (play maker, best offensive Oilers since Weight)?

    That goddam Kurri never said much in the locker room either. Should have run him out of town too.

  45. hunter1909 says:

    All this Hemsky talk makes me think of Alan B’Stard: “Why can’t they just kill all the endangered animals so we don’t have to hear about them anymore?”

  46. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    More specifically, the Oilers need a better defence core to play hockey. I think a lot of the problems at forward (including guys like Eagar and Belanger doing far worse than they have elsewhere) are related to the fact that they are playing in front of such a marginal group of defensmen.

  47. LMHF#1 says:

    hags9k:
    I just have to get it out…..
    We have patiently waited for Hemsky to break out for years and years.Every year he plays the same way.Hold on too long, pass up the shot, cough it up at the blue line, spit in the face of puck possession.This year he looks a combination of hurt, disattached, frustrated, and just not very good.So BUTTER SOFT, guys look forward to playing him.The break out year is not coming.I really don’t think we will miss him as much as LT and others tend to think.Ask yourself why he isn’t wearing the C by now.Because he simply hasn’t ever taken to playing winning hockey, and seems unwilling.Born of the Kovalev tree, he is the anti-Smyth.Where 94 simplifies, 83 complicates.I appreciate his skill and abilities, but he does not have true winning hockey sense like a RNH (not many do I know but you can see the difference between a real player).He does not appreciate the consequences of turnovers and he just hates sending the puck to the net at the right time.The object of the game is to get the puck in the net, but Hemmer seems to think the only way to do this is to pass it around until the goalie is in the corner and the shooter has an open net.But send him in 1 on 3 and he is more than willing to try and dangle both D and send a harmless partially blocked wrister right on the ice, wide of the net.Over and over and over he just doesn’t get it.I wish he would be re-signed but only for the optics and the message to the kids because we need to at some point make a stand and keep our vets and our skill.But if he is sent out I for one will be happy.I don’t think he is a leader, don’t think he is tough enough, fast enough, or smart enough to play the way we want Oiler hockey played.Nice kid, all the best, but guys he’s just not a winner.Miss him sorely?Hardly.Jones has more jam in his pinky finger.I think we will get by without his 35 games and 5 ginos.Here’s an apple and a roadmap.
    I feel better now.

    Why yes, he is the anti-Smyth. He didn’t stink up the 2006 finals.

    Seriously though, this is one the most ridiculous rants I’ve seen considering you appear to have been keeping this under wraps (and I still post on HF…). Typical though if you think the Jones and Smyth types are the end all and be all when it comes to winning games. The shooting/passing stuff is so old (he happens to know what he’s doing…I know most people think SHOOOOOOTT is the solution to everything…it ain’t), soft? seriously? that’s funny stuff there. Not a winner? How short your memory must be. And yeah, slow and dumb, that’s him…jeez…

  48. Darren_V says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy,

    Kurri wasn’t run out of town because there was no internet for morons to gather to spout off their stupidity.

  49. Woodguy says:

    You know maybe hags9k is right.

    I think the Oilers need more Buckberger types. Gritty jammy leaders.

    Bless Kelly’s soul he scored 0.261pts/gm as an NHL’er but I’m sure his talent level was only 0.085 so he actually exceeded his ability.

    Fuck these players with 0.95pts/gm potential who play on horrible teams with Horcoff as his C types oif guys who only score 0.80pts/gm

    Run em all out town!

    What? There’s only been one since Weight? Well run his ass out of town alone then!!

    I gel my goddam car and drive him myself!!

    Throw Harski in his spot. I’m sure his 0.63pts/gm in AHL will fit right in and the Oilers won’t miss a beat.

    30th place forever!!!

  50. rickithebear says:

    Woodguy:
    Last year Garrison-Weaver were the best D pr against tuffs. Bad example.

    I do not think you are saying we should get better than weber and suter. We should seek out good for dollar. Gleason

    Problem is, that elite group the last two years (3 of the 30 Smid, Gilbert, Whitney), two are out. The other is asked to play with Petry and are bairly maintaining.

    Smid-Gilbert
    Gleason-Petry
    Klefbom-Potter

  51. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    Woodguy, I for one, can’t understand people who go to the games and DON’T boo Hemsky, Horcoff and Gilbert. I mean, how do we ever expect to have a winning team in this city if we don’t get rid of those losers loosers.

    I’ve also started to notice that sometimes Hall’s shoulders sag a little – I think we better start watching that guy as well.

  52. PDO says:

    I don’t think the question is how does Tambo deal with the Hemsky situation?

    I think the question is, how badly does Tambo fuck up the Hemsky situation?

    Just imagine how good our team will be next year with Hemsky in Detroit!

    We can go from

    Smyth – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Gagner – Hemsky
    Paajarvi – Horcoff – Jones/Harty
    Eager – Belanger – Jones/Harty

    To

    Smyth – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Gagner – Jones
    Paajarvi – Horcoff – Harty
    Eager – Belanger – Lander

    Yup.

    Won’t miss him at all no sir.

  53. Woodguy says:

    rickithebear:
    Woodguy:
    Last year Garrison-Weaver were the best D pr against tuffs. Bad example.

    I do not think you are saying we should get better than weber and suter. We should seek outgood for dollar. Gleason

    Problem is,that elite group the last two years (3 of the 30 Smid, Gilbert, Whitney),two are out. The other is asked to play with Petry and are bairly maintaining.

    Smid-Gilbert
    Gleason-Petry
    Klefbom-Potter

    rickibear,

    Actually I used them for exactly that reason. That and their salaries.

    Weaver just re-signed for 1.1MM/yr for 2 years (way less than what he could have got on the open market imo)
    Garrison is in the last year of a $675K contract. He’s up for a big raise, but if Weaver re-signed for 1.1M, then maybe 2.5MM is the top end?

    I think Weaver’s agent did him a bit of dis service signing that contract before he got to the open market. MInd you, he’ll be 34 next summer and probably wanted a bit of security, but probably left at least $1MM/yr on the table.

    These are guys like Scuderi (3.4MM), Orpik (3.75MM), Georges (3.9MM)

    They can handle toughs, aren’t flashy, don’t bring a pile of offense, but the puck generally goes in the right direction against the toughest in the NHL.

  54. Woodguy says:

    Darren_V,

    Terry Jones did a good job running Jason Arnott out of town before Al Gore and his tubes.

    Arnott’s saggingshoulders/60 and justnotintoit/gm were higher than Hesmky’s.

    He only scored 689pts in 930 games since leaving the Oilers.

    I’m sure he was capable of 820pts in those 930 games, so its good the Oilers got rid of that slacker. I heard he left the ice right after practice too.

    Glad he left too. He would have got in the way of the 1997-2010 rebuild as well.

  55. shanestrain says:

    I’ve fucking had it with the Hemsky loving. It’s out of control and unrealistic .. like grasping at straws pathetic.

    hags9k: You have an ally in me. This is the wrong site to be talking logically with regards to Hemsky. I swear his family runs this blog.

  56. delooper says:

    Renney had a money quote on the Oilers site “we won’t overlook anything other than our next game.”

  57. IceDragoon says:

    shanestrain:
    I’ve fucking had it with the Hemsky loving. It’s out of control and unrealistic .. like grasping at straws pathetic.

    hags9k: You have an ally in me.This is the wrong site to be talking logically with regards to Hemsky.I swear his family runs this blog.

    No one is making you stay.

    Hemsky is one helluva hockey player on a horrible team.

  58. Woodguy says:

    shanestrain,

    This is the wrong site to be talking logically with regards to Hemsky

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

    Whohohohohohohohohohohohoho!!!!

    Perfect!

  59. bookje says:

    shanestrain,

    If you suggest that Hemsky has an injury problem and that there are serious questions regarding his ability to contribute long term, no one will be overly critical about your comments. However, if you are going to make comments that are simply ludacris on a site where there are intelligent people who actually know a lot about hockey, you can expect to be bitch slapped.

    Its a bit like going on a science website and telling people about how silly the concept of evolution is because the Earth is only 4000 years old. You can do it, but it only makes you look stupider to the rest of the world. Maybe, you are proud for standing up for your ideas, but it doesn’t make you any less wrong.

  60. Darren_V says:

    Woodguy,

    Don’t get me started on the Arnott fiasco. That was the moment I stopped believing anything the Main Stream Media said.
    What a load of utter BS was written. Kind of like what’s going on with Hemsky oddly enough.

  61. bookje says:

    Oh wait, I forgot, I am approaching this all wrong with logical arguments. Please disregard everything I said.

    Hemsky is a Communist! Let’s burn him at the stake and if he lives then he is innocent!

  62. DeadmanWaking says:

    This is fabulously written piece, from the genre of the tireless reader: Do Sports Build Character or Damage It? by Mark Edmundson. Let me just snip a few seasonings for the fast twitchers:

    The first year I played high-school football, the coaches were united in their belief that drinking water on the practice field was dangerous. … Some of us began without proper equipment. I started without cleats. But that was not a problem: Soon someone who wore your shoe size would quit, and then you could have theirs. … I was buttery soft around the waist, nearsighted, not especially fast, and not agile at all. It turned out that underneath the soft exterior, I had some muscle, and that my lung capacity was well developed, probably from vicious bouts of asthma I’d had as a boy.

    One night, scrimmaging, I went head-on with the star running back, a guy who outweighed me by 20 pounds and was far faster and stronger. I did what the coaches said: I squared up, got low (in football, the answer to every difficulty is to get low, or get lower), and planted him. I did that?, I asked myself.

    Mostly, I liked the whole process because it was so damned hard.

    The game was much more about practice than about the Saturday-afternoon contests. And practice was about trying to do something over and over again, failing and failing, and then finally succeeding part way. … I simply never got very good. But I came to see that I was actually quite a success. I was able to show up every day, to work hard at something that was extremely difficult for me, and to improve little by little.

    Straight from the dirty Russian school of sports achievement, only this author’s story doesn’t end with a coaching plum.

    No one really noticed my improvements, least of all the coaches. But I did, and I took great pleasure in them. Football became a prototype for every endeavor in later life that required lonely, pains­taking work and that was genuinely demanding. Through the game, I learned to care more about how I myself judged this or that performance of mine and less about how the world did.

    After the grand belly-flop [in the postgraduate job market], I knew that I’d have to work on a level far higher than anything I’d approached. … I began living in the library … I built a wall of books on my table, as though to cloister myself, like a medieval monk. Did I call on the old spirit of double sessions? Quietly, I did. I kept it largely to myself, since most scholars don’t see much symmetry between what they do and what runners and jumpers and (especially) blockers and tacklers attempt. … “Diversity of strength will attend us,” Wordsworth says, “if but once we have been strong.”
    .

    Hear the chorus of “amen, brother” reigning down from the old boys lounge.

    Sports are many things, and one of those things is an imitation of heroic culture. They mimic the martial world; they fabricate the condition of war. (Boxing doesn’t fabricate war; it is war, and, to my mind, not a sport. …)

    In the Western heroic tradition, the paragon of the humane warrior is Homer’s Hector, prince of the Trojans. … Even on an unexceptional day, Hector can stand up to Ajax, the Greek giant, and trade blow for blow with him. Yet as fierce as Hector can be, he is also humane. … Hector can turn it off. He can stop being the manslayer that he needs to be out on the windy plains of Troy and become a humane husband and father. … In a sense, he is the figure that every fighter and athlete should emulate.

    After Hector kills [] Patroclus, Achilles goes on a rampage, killing every Trojan he can. All humanity leaves him; all mercy is gone. At one point, a Trojan fighter grasps his knees and begs for mercy. Achilles taunts him: Look at me, he says, so strong and beautiful, and some day I, too, shall have to die. But not today. Today is your day. … Achilles is drunk on rage, the poem tells us. His rational mind has left him, and he is mad with the joy of slaughter. … This ability to go mad—to become berserk—is inseparable from Achilles’ greatness as a warrior. It is part of what sets him above the more circumspect Hector on the battlefield. When Hector encounters Achilles for the last time, Hector feels fear. Achilles in his wrath has no idea what fear is, and that is part of what makes him unstoppable.

    What was it Bruce was saying yesterday about Anderson and Billy Smith?

    They leave the field of combat or of play and are still ferocious, or they can be stirred to ferocity by almost nothing. They let no insult pass. A misplaced word sends them into a rage. A mild frustration turns them violent.

    Some athletes take crude pleasure in dominating others; they like to humiliate their foes, off the field as well as on it. … All too often, the players who go all out on the field but can’t readily turn it off elsewhere are the best players. They’re the most headlong, the most fearless, the most dedicated. … By his own account, [Lawrence] Taylor led the life of a beast—drunk, brawling, high on coke, speeding in his car: He was a peril to anyone who came near him.

    Playing football made me more confident; it gave me powers of resolve that I’d draw on later in life, and I’m grateful for those things. But it also made me more brutal. I came to crave the physical stimulation of the game—I came to like hitting and even being hit. When the season ended, I found myself recreating the feeling of football in a string of fistfights and all-in brawls. … Once the punch in the mouth is part of your repertoire—once you’ve done it a few times as an adult—it never really goes away.

    When males murmurate under dismal drizzle, they often riot like spoiled suburban frat-brats. They appoint by quiet consensus an alpha jock and follow his lead. They become more literal, more obvious; they jostle and compete (ed. and pose for the evening news)

    Sport is also—it almost goes without saying—an intensely hierarchical world. … In sports your identity and prowess are one and the same. When one teammate looks at another, what he sees first is how good the other is. He makes a quick calculation: Am I more or less able than he is? Or are we the same? If we are, what can I do to surpass him?

    What was it our ankle-seeing doctor chick was saying the other day about sports ego? Just like a women not to give a man a cinquante chance.

    Everyone has a place in the hierarchy, and that hierarchy is constantly shifting. This sense of relative human importance is almost completely unsentimental—there’s an accuracy of evaluation in sports that presides nowhere else in the world. There’s no affirmative action on a football field. Everyone on a team knows who he is better than and who is better than him, and he acts his part.

    Yet a world of omnipresent hierarchy is also, by definition, a world that is low on compassion and kindness. … The world of sports is a pagan world … Professional athletes spend a lot of time pretending that they are part of the compassionate world …

    On the whole, hockey players manage with far less pretense, not to exclude any errant ex-pat MBA MVPs.

    But there is something in the drive for glory that despises all reflection. A certain sort of glory-seeking must in fact overcome reflection, as Achilles shows, and go headlong.

    So there’s my1% extract in the prelude to Wikipedia darkness. It’s a sad world where great writing can’t be admired and distilled for the broader audience. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s certainly not SOPA.

  63. DeadmanWaking says:

    I meant to add that off the field (or the ice)—encumbered by those fat rings—the magic confluence of clarity and competence evaporates completely. It were quite so simple after all, this would be a dull blog.

  64. DoubleJ says:

    I really doubt Hemsky is here after the deadline. When Hemsky has success next year somewhere else “everyone will say I told you so” even when the people including myself already know that he is too good not to succeed. It’s like MacT he’s had his run here time to move on.

    Hemsky doesn’t follow any system coaches put in place, the fact that he gets as many points as he does really does show how talented he is. I’m personally tired of watching his linemates guess where they should be while playing with him. He just does what ever he wants. and it usually turns into holding onto it way too long and turning it over.

    To be a good team you need to have a good system in place with everyone on board. Hemsky hasn’t showed me in my opinion how to follow a system. Of course he will in Detroit or where ever he goes, because it’s a new place different leaders to follow.

    And everyone will see him succeed and say “I told you so”. I will say you’re right he’s better then what we recieved for him, but if he’s here he’d still be making lazy circles and turn overs, and scoring an amazing goal every 4th game or so. I’m fine with moving on.

  65. Bos8 says:

    Yep, That’s like having Manning at QB and the coach’s system is smash mouth football. Christ on a crutch Hemsky has been hauling Horcoff around all his professional career.

    In hockey, Winnipeg – Souhonen had established a beautiful system geared to the players’ strengths – skating and passing – scared the crap out of Edmonton. Management wasn’t happy, brought in Paddock – Paddocks are known for horseshit and that’s what Winnepeg got.

    You think the great Edmonton teams had a system? As Sather said “You throw them out there and let them improvise”. That’s what makes player’s great, the ability to think and create opportunities at high speed.

    Over the years Horcoff has screwed up thousands of passes in the slot and mufffed them. How is it that Hall is playing better with Hemsky every game? Hemsky loses possession one on three because dinglenuts have to figure out which way is north every time.

    A great passer has no one to pass to, must be on the passer.

    Do you watch games or do you inhale that papsmear as gospel?

  66. rickithebear says:

    Smyth – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Gagner – Hemsky
    Paajarvi – Horcoff – Jones/Harty
    Eager – Belanger – Jones/Harty

    PDO:
    While i want Good hemsky to Stay, he is as double j says non System. His time here is dependent on Contract Accepted. 3M hemsky would be Great.

    Smyth – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Gagner – Omark/Pajarvi
    Paajarvi/Harty – Horcoff – Jones/Omark
    Eager – Belanger – Jones/Harty

    Is the assets from hemsky, and omark on a cheaper contract, Better than Hemsky on a Cap eating contract. Be aGM.
    What is the proper answer?
    I look at the end of the year for my Answer.

  67. Bos8 says:

    As to where Hemsky’s linemates should be – head for open ice, that’s where you should be, not charging the net.

    Hemsky, Horcoff and Smythe. Smythe heads for the net and Horcoff can’t take a pass – oops.

  68. Ribs says:

    Jeebus. Hall has left the ice after getting hit in the head with a puck and is bleeding.

  69. Ribs says:

    Well Tencer says puck in the head and Principe is saying cut with skate.

  70. Ribs says:

    Tencer now…

    Looks like Hall went down after catching a rut and then got clipped by Corey Potter’s skate. Tough to tell, but that’s what it looks like.

  71. Lowetide says:

    He lost an edge from what I saw and either hit his head or took a skate blade. Bad damn luck and sure hope he’s okay.

  72. Woodguy says:

    Apparently he wasn’t wearing a helmet in the warm up.

    Might be hurt bad.

    Jesusmaryjosephandthedonkey.

  73. rich says:

    When does it end?

  74. Lowetide says:

    Well let’s not get ahead of ourselves but yeah this is becoming Python level wobbly.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Oh man.

    That looked horrible.

    Potter stepped right on his face.

    I hope he didn’t lose an eye.

    Hall taken to the hospital as per Principe.

  76. DeadmanWaking says:

    From War Illustrated, a nice coda: Lawdy, Lawdy, He’s Great

    The scene cannot be forgotten; this good and gallant man lying there, embodying the remains of a will never before seen in a ring, a will that had carried him so far — and now surely too far. His eyes were only slits, his face looked as if it had been painted by Goya. “Man, I hit him with punches that’d bring down the walls of a city,” said Frazier. “Lawdy, Lawdy, he’s a great champion.”

    From what I can see, only Goya’s self portraits have Taylor’s lips.

    Muhammad Ali caught the way it was: “It was like death. Closest thing to dyin’ that I know of.”

    In another piece I once read, he wasn’t sure he had what it takes to get up off his stool if it had gone another round. He was beyond fumes.

    Head up and unprotected, Frazier stayed in the mouth of the cannon, and the big gun roared again and again.

    Intimidation by quadruple concussion. The Smid tactic.

    A hint of shift came in the fourth. … at the end of the round, sensing a change and annoyed, he glared at Frazier and said, “You dumb chump, you!”

    Ali fought the whole fifth round in his own corner. Frazier worked his body, the whack of his gloves on Ali’s kidneys sounding like heavy thunder. … Two hooks ripped with slaughterhouse finality at Ali’s jaw, causing Imelda Marcos to look down at her feet, and the President to wince as if a knife had been stuck in his back. Ali’s legs seemed to search for the floor. He was in serious trouble,

    “Old Joe Frazier, why I thought you were washed up.” Joe replied, “Somebody told you all wrong, pretty boy.”

    In the 11th, Ali got trapped in Frazier’s corner, and blow after blow bit at his melting face, and flecks of spittle flew from his mouth. “Lawd have mercy!” Bundini shrieked.

    The moment of truth is a gaping wound.

    The world held its breath. But then Ali dug deep down into whatever it is that he is about … Now, Frazier’s face began to lose definition; like lost islands reemerging from the sea, massive bumps rose suddenly around each eye, especially the left. … [Ali] sent Frazier’s bloody mouthpiece flying into the press row in the 13th, and nearly floored him with a right in the center of the ring … [Frazier is fighting blind] … Ali raked him with nine straight right hands …

    Ouch.

    “Sit down, son,” said Futch, pressing his hand on Frazier’s shoulder. “It’s all over. No one will ever forget what you did here today.”

    Posterity is so overrated. I’m with Woody on his sentiment of achieving immortality by not dying.

    [Post game interview] You get so tired. It takes so much out of you mentally. It changes you. It makes you go a little insane. I was thinkin’ that at the end. Why am I doin’ this? What am I doin’ here in against this beast of a man? It’s so painful. I must be crazy.

    Sounds a lot like Big Georges after a tilt with Boogaard.

  77. Jon K says:

    I’m not a superstitious person by any means, but what the fuck is wrong with this team? Someone STEPS on Taylor Hall’s FACE in a freak accident?

    Peter Puck sold his soul to the devil and we are paying the price for the 80s. Now and forever.

  78. Lowetide says:

    Well at least it allows the 4th line more playing time.

  79. Jon K says:

    Also, what the hell was Potter thinking there? It all happens fast but he reacts by jumping onto the person? That’s a dangerous and stupid reaction. What would be the downside if he just fell onto Hall?

  80. DeadmanWaking says:

    Geez, I didn’t know Hall was down while collecting the gruesome excerpts. I usually skim the game thread in the 2nd intermission. Unbelievable.

  81. Smarmy says:

    Apparently, Hopkins just spontaneously combusted and Eberle was caught in the flames.

    I hope Hall is okay and he just gets a cool scar that he can make up an awesome hockey story about.

  82. Gret99zky says:

    I’d like to propose a team name change.

    The Edmonton Fucking Jinx. Logo to follow.

  83. Lowetide says:

    Lander. Nice.

  84. Jon K says:

    Hopefully Hall is okay. The upside for Potter is that he potentially just became famous. Ending the career of a player like Hall would certainly be Potter’s most noteworthy accomplishment.

  85. Gret99zky says:

    Howson just put a noose around his neck.

  86. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers without RNH/Eberle I can just about hack, but no Hall?

    Good luck watching the game tonight guys…I just got a call from my bartender.

  87. Woodguy says:

    So Lander and Eager score and Hall gets his face stepped on.

    Yup, just like we predicted.

  88. nelson88 says:

    Can’t get the game in my region. Anyone have a link?

    I see Hemsky has an assist on Eager’s goal. Is 55 up playing with Gagner and Hemsky?

    Eager takes some idiotic penalties but was thinking last week that he has shown some skill and they should give him an honest shot on a skill line and they may find they have a “Lucic light”

  89. PDO says:

    So, Hall has a serious cut in the “eye region,” and the Oiler’s are fucking around trying to get him on the ice instead of getting him to the hospital in a game that they’re probably better off losing?

    S-M-R-T.

  90. Woodguy says:

    PDO,

    I heard that when v3.2 was a young child he shoved a crayon up his nose and it remains lodged there to this day.

  91. Jon K says:

    Well, if Hall hasn’t gone to the hospital that is an unqualified good sign. It would mean that the cut is just to the face and the eye isn’t affected. Might just be getting stitch work right now.

  92. bookje says:

    Ok Folks, I want to point out that I called this a couple of weeks ago. Here it is – on LT’s old blogger site. I am telling you, you don’t want to mess with Tambellini’s plan or else you are next.

    The fix is in – Taylor Hall better cut back the production or pretty soon he is going to come down with that pubis thing. I think Tambellini is going all Jeff Gillooly on his own players here, just with a deeper level of stealth. How else do explain the top two D-men and top – two forwards being out for the count. Tambellini wants that top draft pick and wants excuses to go with it.

  93. Gret99zky says:

    Hall’s face getting sliced up looks pretty bad after multiple replays.

  94. PDO says:

    Woodguy,

    Well, I just hope once we pull it out he doesn’t wish it was back in there.

  95. Woodguy says:

    6 points for Hemsky in the last 7 games.

    Fucking bum.

  96. DeadmanWaking says:

    Just in: We’ve been awarded the All-IRs game by acclamation after the league denied Sami Salo’s petition to locate a time machine and field his own team. If three Salos go down in the pre-game skate, he can Time Bandit another batch, they’re already pencilled in on the game card. It seemed unfair.

    EYES SHOULDER-1 NOSE
    RIBS BACK KNEE
    ANKLE GROIN-1 WRIST
    MCL LEG-1 UNDISCLOSED-2

    UNDISLOSED-1 LOWER-BODY
    SHOULDER-2 GROIN-2
    GROIN-3 FLU

    GROIN-2 tasked for light-minutes stay-at-home role. No other Salo makes eye contact.

    Bloody hell, we’re beyond fumes.

  97. Lowetide says:

    Well that was another pretty good period. I’m liking Dubnyk a little more–now he’ll give up three this period but what the hell this is a lottery game–and as mentioned Eager seems to be improving lately. I thought he’d show better, hope he continues it.

    Lander’s goal was real nice too. Paajarvi needs to do that too.

  98. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    6 points for Hemsky in the last 7 games.

    Fucking bum.

    Well, maybe if we package a 2 we could get a 3?

  99. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: Well, maybe if we package a 2 we could get a 3?

    At least not as bad as the bum Gilbert. Needed to send a 1st to get a 7th back for that guy.

  100. Gret99zky says:

    So is “the bum” really going to make the Oilers enter a bidding war in the summer or are the Oiler brass just not offering enough to sign him before them?

  101. PDO says:

    83 sucked in the LD on that Eager goal that opened up the lane for 58.

    What an asshole. He should have just fired that into somebody’s shin pads and got in a fight.

    How else are we supposed to know he cares?!

  102. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    6 points for Hemsky in the last 7 games.

    Fucking bum.

    Yes, but those were Butter soft points, the kind that other teams like to have scored against them.

    Also – note that this means that he is not a point a game player and as such a total failure.

  103. Woodguy says:

    That was a great release by PRV.

    I hope he can buy one soon.

  104. PDO says:

    Woodguy:
    That was a great release by PRV.

    I hope he can buy one soon.

    Shifty.

    Looked a little like 14 there, changing the angle and ripping it through a screen at the last second.

    PRV should be getting mega minutes tonight with the few good players we have left.

    Don’t like that goal on DD.

  105. Gret99zky says:

    Scarface is officially out of this game.

  106. Woodguy says:

    Gret99zky:
    So is “the bum” really going to make the Oilers enter a bidding war in the summer or are the Oiler brass just not offering enough to sign him before them?

    Gret99zky,

    If the OIlers’ don’t offer the term he’s looking for he probably won’t sign.

    The top forward Free Agent forwards this summer are:

    Parise
    Semin
    Hemsky
    Huselius (less games than Hemsky last 2 years)
    Jokienen
    Whitney (old, but still good)
    Penner
    Doan
    Rutuu
    Stoll
    Arnott
    A. Kostitsyn

    Not a lot of top end talent.

    If you were in Hemsky’s shoes, what would you do?

    He’s stated he likes Edmonton and likes where the team is going.

    Its up to the Oilers to figure out if his shoulder is healed enough to offer term. (my guess is 4 years)

    If they don’t someone else will.

  107. Woodguy says:

    PDO: Shifty.

    Looked a little like 14 there, changing the angle and ripping it through a screen at the last second.

    PRV should be getting mega minutes tonight with the few good players we have left.

    Don’t like that goal on DD.

    It seems like he gets beat along the ice a lot for a butterfly goalie.

  108. itsaleaf says:

    Woodguy,

    That’s Ryan Smyth’s fault on that goal. Stopped skating and just watched him go to the slot.

    Petry looks really good by my eye. He’s a keeper

  109. Gret99zky says:

    Woodguy,

    If I am Hemsky I am looking for a big payday. I talk my agent and ballpark what a four year deal might bring in.

    I tell the Oilers 4 years at $x.x Mil/per with a 2 year NMC.

    And wait for Lowe and Tambi to figure it out.

    Some team is going to take a flyer on the rebuilt shoulders.

  110. pboy says:

    bookje: Yes, but those were Butter soft points, the kind that other teams like to have scored against them.

    Also – note that this means that he is not a point a game player and as such a total failure.

    Lol

  111. Rebilled says:

    it must be nice being in a building where you have a better record than the other team.

  112. PDO says:

    itsaleaf,

    He did, but Woodguy is bang on about Dubnyk giving up a lot of goals along the ice. Bad back check or not, that’s a goal that should have been stopped.

  113. pboy says:

    The Rangers took a risk when they signed Gaborik and it’s worked pretty well for them so far. I think that there will be at least 1 team out there willing to roll the dice with Hemsky. Personally, I think he will be a 60 game a season guy, in his relatively healthy seasons going forward, so I would be unwilling to give him a long term deal.

  114. ashley says:

    Woodguy: He’s stated he likes Edmonton and likes where the team is going.
    Its up to the Oilers…to offer term. (my guess is 4 years)
    If they don’t someone else will.

    Well said. Just the facts. The emotion from all of us Hemsky-lovers can cloud the situation. I’m still holding out hope that the Oil shows some commitment.

    Why does McSorely look so old? Wasn’t he just playing a couple of years ago? The Brashear incident seems like last week. And why does Kypreos look so young? Didn’t he play in, like, the Beliveau era?

    I think the Oil are going to lose this one.

  115. PDO says:

    Loved the push back by 91 after he got smoked earlier in the period. Would have preferred that he fed a guy his stick and took a penalty, but he needs to show he can’t be shoved around; both to his teammates and his opponents.

  116. voxwah says:

    I think they need to keep Hemsky for sure. Replacing him will be a 10 year project with this management. I’m also a bit worried what the do with young Sam. This is not a good time to trade him at all. Look at these numbers from the sisters compared with Gagner.

    Henrik Sedin

    2000-2001 — 82 9-20-29
    2001-2002 — 82 16-20-36
    2002-2003 — 78 8-31-39
    2003-2004 — 76 11-31-42
    2004-2005 — Lockout
    2005-2006 — 82 18-57-75

    Daniel Sedin

    2000-2001 — 75 20-14-34
    2001-2002 — 79 9-23-32
    2002-2003 — 79 14-17-31
    2003-2004 — 82 18-36-54
    2004-2005 — Lockout
    2005-2006 — 82 22-49-71

    Sam Gagner

    2007-2008 — 79 13-36-49
    2008-2009 — 76 16-25-41
    2009-2010 — 68 15-26-41
    2010-2011 — 68 15-27-42

    Looks very similar to me and I think Sam is on a similar career path. Losing him now to have him break out for the next 10 years for a different team would suck.

  117. itsaleaf says:

    Teddy Peckman isn’t very good.

  118. itsaleaf says:

    Stupid penalty=goal

    Theo should sit for that stupid play

  119. Jamie says:

    Gret99zky: Woodguy, If I am Hemsky I am looking for a big payday. I talk my agent and ballpark what a four year deal might bring in.I tell the Oilers 4 years at $x.x Mil/per with a 2 year NMC.And wait for Lowe and Tambi to figure it out.Some team is going to take a flyer on the rebuilt shoulders.

    I love watching Hemsky, hell he has been the only thing worth watching on the Oilers until Hall showed up, but he is too big a risk to sign for 4 years. I’m fine with an overpay for 2 more years but he would have to be dirt cheap to be worth 4 years (and that is not happening). Which forces the Oilers to try to get something for him at the trade deadline.

  120. Lowetide says:

    Well I don’t think that was on the goalie.

  121. PDO says:

    Petry lost his guy and that’s a bad rebound.

  122. Gret99zky says:

    PDO:
    Loved the push back by 91 after he got smoked earlier in the period.Would have preferred that he fed a guy his stick and took a penalty, but he needs to show he can’t be shoved around; both to his teammates and his opponents.

    This is most certainly true. PRV needs to grow a pair and not be so afraid of getting a black eye every now and then. Makes the interviews better too.

  123. Gret99zky says:

    Jamie: I love watching Hemsky, hell he has been the only thing worth watching on the Oilers until Hall showed up, but he is too big a risk to sign for 4 years.I’m fine with an overpay for 2 more years but he would have to be dirt cheap to be worth 4 years (and that is not happening).Which forces the Oilers to try to get something for him at the trade deadline.

    I will be choked if he signs a short term deal with another team. It would mean Tambi cheaped out on a short term offer, or Hemsky snubbed the team.

  124. Traktor says:

    Ales Hemsky is better without Horcoff on his line?

    Who knew?

  125. Gret99zky says:

    I have been hot and cold on Hemsky the last few seasons but I have more confidence in #83′s shoulders than Tambi’s ability to build a playoff team.

  126. edwards_daddy says:

    voxwah:
    I think they need to keep Hemsky for sure. Replacing him will be a 10 year project with this management. I’m also a bit worried what the do with young Sam. This is not a good time to trade him at all. Look at these numbers from the sisters compared with Gagner.

    Henrik Sedin

    2000-2001 — 82 9-20-29
    2001-2002 — 82 16-20-36
    2002-2003 — 78 8-31-39
    2003-2004 — 76 11-31-42
    2004-2005 — Lockout
    2005-2006 — 82 18-57-75

    Daniel Sedin

    2000-2001 — 75 20-14-34
    2001-2002 — 79 9-23-32
    2002-2003 — 79 14-17-31
    2003-2004 — 82 18-36-54
    2004-2005 — Lockout
    2005-2006 — 82 22-49-71

    Sam Gagner

    2007-2008 — 7913-36-49
    2008-2009 — 7616-25-41
    2009-2010 — 6815-26-41
    2010-2011 — 6815-27-42

    Looks very similar to me and I think Sam is on a similar career path. Losing him now to have him break out for the next 10 years for a different team would suck.

    I take your Sedin-Gagner comp and raise you a Patrick Marleau, more goals but less P/G in his first 4 years:
    74 13 19 32
    81 21 24 45
    81 17 23 40
    81 25 27 52

  127. PDO says:

    Gagner’s game is far more similar to Sedin’s than Marleau’s.

    It’s also very similar to Weight’s.

    Still holding out hope he can pull it all together and become a similar player.

  128. Brett Gee says:

    I just saw the Taylor Hall injury. Slips on puck, casually slides into Smid, Potter tries to jump over Hall, but instead jumps ON HIS FACE! What is happening with this team?

    I know things happen fast and you react to them, but you think Potter could have slowly fallen down ontop of Hall instead of just trying to jump over him. Maybe he forgot he was wearing skates.

    Looks like he’ll be alright.

  129. bookje says:

    Gret99zky: This is most certainly true.PRV needs to grow a pair and not be so afraid of getting a black eye every now and then.Makes the interviews better too.

    I hear that Potter is willing to step on your face for you if you want to look tougher!

  130. PDO says:

    Sloppy backcheck by Green and more bad goaltending by DD.

  131. pboy says:

    bookje: I hear that Potter is willing to step on your face for you if you want to look tougher!

    Lol

    Eberle made it sound like Hall was going to okay during that 3rd period interview. Maybe they’ll both be in the line-up for the next game…..

  132. Lowetide says:

    Oilers caught napping to start the period, probably leftover angst from the 1959 goal.

  133. danny says:

    Hemsky is only 28, so it’s not a high risk contract monetarily. If he retires or miss games, they get the money in LTIR relief or retirement relief.

    The risk with Hemsky, is competitively. You can’t replace him with waiver wire pickups each season, so before you invest $5M per season, you have to consider the fact that the GP per season might not be there, and the replacement level plugs you end up playing 30 games a season with, wont get the job done.

    I think playoff bound teams would, and should, be weary of investing that money into a guy like 83. Fantastic player sure, but unless its a perfect fit, i don’t know that hes worth a gamble, like a 40+ goal guy such as Gaborik warrants.

    Ideal scenario for EDM is signing 83 to a two year $10M deal, and make their real decision on him with more time to evaluate the shoulders, and when theyre more likely a playoff bound team.

  134. Brett Gee says:

    The funny thing about the Hall injury (that is, if he’s okay) is that Potter didn’t just step on his face, he literally jumped on it. accidentally, of course.

  135. DSF says:

    edwards_daddy,

    Of course, the interpretation of the rule book changed during the lockout to eliminate clutching and grabbing.

    At the same time, Kesler emerged allowing the Sedins to face softer competition.

    Gagner has always played in the non clutch and grab era and has never played the toughs.

  136. Gret99zky says:

    Potter is a member of this team and therefore must be held to the same standards as the other players and management for that matter.

    Especially against Columbus.

    These Motherfuckers wanna take our pick! Our first round pick!

    Potter did what had to be done. He did what others didn’t have the stomach to do.

    All y’all can thank Corey Potter when y’all and all y’alls’ loser friends are drunkingly high fiving each at the draft party in June.

    Also thank Jamie Benn and the blue line/boards duo.

  137. PDO says:

    Fantastic officiating there.

    Not often I say it, so I really should when it’s good.

  138. Lowetide says:

    I get the feeling this Oiler team could go years at a time without scoring a goal.

  139. Woodguy says:

    You’re a tough marker PDO.

    On the 3rd goal Potter shits the bed and gets caught in no man’s land and waves at the puckas Colton bloody Gilles goes around him.

    Peckham is forced to leave his check to take Gilles and Green is a little behind but if potter takes his man he is where he is supposed to be, cleaning up garbage and looking for the trailer.

    Don’t see how you can blame DD for that one.

    Its all on Potter.

  140. Gret99zky says:

    I hope we don’t finish 30th. Picking 2 to 5 is okay by me.

    But I hope we win the lottery, ala NJD last year.

    Man that would piss off the Flames and Canucks fans.

    And prove that God wants the Oilers to do well in the new arena.

  141. Gret99zky says:

    Too many men.

    Renney playing his part.

  142. Lowetide says:

    lol. The Edmonton Oilers are kinda funny right now.

  143. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Gret99zky,

    God hates the Oilers. Their best player just got his face stepped on in warmup. FFS

  144. Paulus says:

    Potter should have committed seppuku before the game. Or after.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    Back from the bar, loaded with single malt whisky. I can’t afford it really, but when I’m old I don’t want to regret not having abused myself correctly either.

    Nice to see the losers lost. I want Yakupov.

    Hall’s only got 30 stitches to the face…good..it will help give him character.

    I pity that poster who ragged on Ales…but I do understand the frustration. I see the majority view, that he’s a very good player on a totally shite team. But, with Katz(who really could use a good nickname) manipulating everything like he no doubt did when his thugs strongarmed all of those Mom and Pop drugstores into joining his personal russian style Oligarchy….aww hell…that’s all I really wanted to say.

  146. PDO says:

    Woodguy:
    You’re a tough marker PDO.

    On the 3rd goal Potter shits the bed and gets caught in no man’s land and waves at the puckas Colton bloody Gilles goes around him.

    Peckham is forced to leave his check to take Gilles and Green is a little behind but if potter takes his man he is where he is supposed to be, cleaning up garbage and looking for the trailer.

    Don’t see how you can blame DD for that one.

    Its all on Potter.

    I think he got caught deep in his net and reacted slowly. Not like it was a great pass or a great finish. Too passive, too deep, and too slow to react. Same reason he’s beaten along the ice so often imo.

    And I saw Green pretty bad there too.

    Didn’t notice Potter, but that’s the forward in me I suppose.

  147. hunter1909 says:

    I’m so happy we’ve found a new whipping boy, now that Hemsky’s all but been run out of town on a rail.

    Corey F. Potter. I always hated that creep.

    To be honest, I don’t even know who Potter is, aside from his being one of the plethora of lousy Oiler defencemen. . But there’s nothing like jumping on bandwagons before they get rolling!

  148. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    lol. The Edmonton Oilers are kinda funny right now.

    Cheering for last is so much healthier for fans – it takes away all of the pain and makes it all feel good again.

  149. Paulus says:

    hunter1909,

    You’re right about the defence, but Potter is the only one that stepped on Taylor Hall’s face.

  150. hunter1909 says:

    I also love the “Russians 100 metres down the street(strasse?) mentality with Oiler fans, as the “team” lurches from pillar to post.

    We all want to win the lottery, yet from time to time our sensibilities rise up and then we want the boys to go on a tear, no matter how much it screws up the Big Bhoys(Kevin Lowe et al) plans. We’ve all been driven crazy, and we know it.

    Just being silly fans, we hope to see character, and grit, and all those things, while the rest of the NHL curses the Oilers for taking the tank job into a whole new dimension.

    I’m lucky I suppose. I have a fantastic bar just across the street from where I live, a veritable refuge from all things Oilers. On the other hand were I still in Edmonton, I might be trying to organise university students to sack and burn Rexall Place.

  151. russ99 says:

    You know, Mr. Tambellini. You can get us that actual NHL defenseman any day now…

    But Renney’s not changing anything to suit the game situation either. 3 losses vs. the Islanders, Ducks and now Blue Jackets. We’re officially the worst team in the league.

    Ryan Jones summed it up for me completely how clueless the coaching staff is with his “better defense will lead to more offense” quote.

  152. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Peckham takes bonehead penalty leading to tying goal in dying second of 2nd period. Renney responds by starting Peckham in the third along with Potter, Green, Eager, and Hordichuk. 32 seconds later it’s 3-2 CBJ and that’s all she wrote. They could have played 2 more periods and the Oil wouldn’t have scored on HHoF candidate Curtis Sanford.

    Peckham with a shitty breakout pass, Eager with a shitty lazy play trying to take it in his skates, Potter with an uber-shitty check on the counterattack, Green with a shitty backcheck and Dubnyk with some shitty goaltending. If I rewind a little further I have no doubt there’s a shitty play by Hordy in there somewhere too.

    That wasn’t Johnny “Pieface” Mackenzie from Clark Gillies who scored either, it was Derek F. MacKenzie from Colton F.F.S. Gillies.

    Start it with the star getting his face stepped on in warmup, and finish it off with the worst goalie pull in the history of the sport, and all in all it’s a shitty Tuesday in January. Fuckin’ cold too.

    /Oil fan’s lament

  153. DSF says:

    Oilers go from 16th to 19th in GA/G in one evening.

    Should be 22nd by the end of the week.

  154. Traktor says:

    Ales Hemsky 1 goal in 17 games
    Shawn Horcoff 1 goal in 23 games

    Pathetic.

  155. OilClog says:

    I don’t know why it took me so long to sign up, or to come across this blog.. could be I’m transported to the coast stuck in the filth of fans that believe their team has ever accomplished anything worth of mention.

    I’m amazed that I’m not the only person that wants Hemsky to stay an Oiler, especially now that he has some help to play with.. unless is F’N HORCOFF! feels like I’ve been saying that for a decade.. wait.. F’N HORCOFF! was this K4′s master plan when he gave that contract. I think that may be why I moved. There’s currently a drinking lied to me about fixing all my problems commercial on.. I’m beginning to see my early season dreams for what they were.

    I hope when the new CBA comes around.. we again get that one time one player buy out, F’N Horcoff!.. the cap ceiling lowers again, so we can sign this stable of guns to smaller contracts til the next round.

    I hated the Tambi signing, hated the Quinn signing, laughed at the Renney signing.

    I cheered at the Quinn firing, cried at the Renney Hiring, clicked my heels together.. cried again.

    I shake my head every period, and wonder if I’m really the only person wondering just what the hell is going on in Renney’s head, is it his personal goal to lose to everyone? Well I guess you have to be the best at something.

    I birthed at the starts of the 80′s, my first memories started at the end of the run. Ranford will always be #1, Dougie a close #2. I have memories and hockey cards proving my team has won, guess I have something over the Canucks as it stands.

    If they actually trade Hemsky, and don’t trade that top pick for a #1 defenceman or top 5 goalie (Dubnyk is awful and the only thing awesome about him is that brute John Garrett’s reaction everytime he says his name and makes a pot reference) then I don’t know if I will allow alcohol to keep telling me these lies I hear about, I may sober up.

  156. oilersfan says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Bruce that was an awesome post. Full agreement here.

    One thing I was wondering as this board did not exist in 2004, but why the hell was Dubnyk ranked as a first round pick, and why the hell did the Oilers take him? He played for a shitty team in Kamloops, had a shitty GA, Shitty Save %, and Shitty won loss record. What was it about him that made scouts say “geez he should go in the first round!” Kind of like the Cam Barker of goalies in 2004. Same draft year too. Hmm. What a shitty draft year that was if those two and Rob Schremp are all first rounders. I know many of you don’t like Mark Spector but at the end of the second he said NHL goalies don’t allow one bad goal per game, no matter how many good saves they make.. No, no they don’t, as Dubnyk is riding the train to the AHL faster than we can all say Jeff Deslauriers.

    One can see on the first goal why Eager is so maddening, just lets the bad pass from Peckham go into his skates and cause the turnover that leads to the first goal, although it was a shitty goal by DD. Then one can see why fans are so pissed with Renney for starting his 5 worst players in the third period. Can’t understand why the Oilers are 0-8-2 when tied after 2 with that line matching!

  157. hags9k says:

    First, glad to see a rant like mine stirred up some passion and anger as it should, but I am a bit surprised at how many people disagree. I’ve always backed Hemmer but this critical line of thought has been simmering for years and the reason it has boiled over and why I’m quitting on him is very simple. HE’S QUITTING ON US. Wish this wasn’t the case but it’s the truth and it’s about the crest on the front. You guys are just living in denial. The guy is made of paper mache and glass and come deadline day will officially be an Oiler castoff shoulda coulda woulda. Does every player need to be a captain? No, but it says something when you can’t slap the C on Hemsky after all the years of being the face of the team and the top forward. (For one thing it says the management has done a horrible job finding him help but still). And I love the skill players as much as the Bucky’s and Jonesy’s too but a skill player who scores far less than the league’s best while turning the puck over far more than the other teams skill is not helping win games. The only way he helps us is for less $ and less Ice time. If our 3rd line the next few years was Smyth Horcoff, Hemmer we would be getting somewhere but that’s not happening. His heroic .8pts/gm will not be missed once the kids are chasing Art Ross. Is he a good player on a bad team? Absolutely. Is he talented and have I enjoyed watching him? You bet. Will he do better with a good team? Probably. (because he will actually be trying again.) Do I still want him gone? Yup. I for one have had enough of the way he plays. Seen this movie too many times. Thanks, you are fancy and put up some assists, NEXT. Our best forward since Weight and where has he taken us? To the league sewer. And to top it off now he wants out (assumption based on solid evidence) as if he had nothing to do with taking us there and couldn’t care less about helping us crawl out. Really though a quick look at his season stats (because I know math is god around here) or better yet the play tonight on the empty netter says it all. See ya.

  158. hags9k says:

    And besides that last play, I counted another half dozen “butter softs” last night for 83 vs the worst team in the league. Also Desjardins has informed me he is considering adding it to his site. BTRSFTS/60.

  159. bookje says:

    assumption based on solid evidence

    Nice – Your too over the top to be serious.

  160. "Steve Smith" says:

    Fortunately, Hags’ lack of paragraph breaks means I don’t read his post. Don’t ever change, buddy.

    Traktor: What do you think of Shawn Horcoff?

  161. edwards_daddy says:

    DSF:
    edwards_daddy,

    Of course, the interpretation of the rule book changed during the lockout to eliminate clutching and grabbing.

    At the same time, Kesler emerged allowing the Sedins to face softer competition.

    Gagner has always played in the non clutch and grab era and has never played the toughs.

    Yeah – the increase in NHL G/G from 5.28 to 5.57 in their respective debut years certainly puts a huge hammer straight through the middle of that comparison. As does 5’10 against 6’2, I suppose.

  162. russ99 says:

    hags9k,

    I really don’t think Hemsky is quitting on the team, he along with many other players is quitting on Renney’s defensive system that A) obviously doesn’t work considering how many leads we’ve blown and B) should have been dropped when it was obvious that this wasn’t even close to a playoff team.

    A lot of players have to be unhappy that Renney is also dishing out ice time based on “commitment” to a system that leaks goals and gives ice time to 4th liners when the game is on the line. It’s like beating a dead horse. Maybe that’s why the team has looked so flat.

    Truth is that this day and age, NHL players are happy with their games if the team wins and they contribute to the scoresheet. Many skill players are able to do neither in Renney’s system. Good coaches aren’t rigid to the detriment to the team’s success and player development.

    Also, Hemsky is not and will never be a defensive player. He should be allowed to play his game.

  163. Woodguy says:

    I was going to write another Hemsky rebuttal.

    Instead I stuck a toothpick in my eye and broke it off.

    I think I made the right choice.

  164. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    I was going to write another Hemsky rebuttal.

    Instead I stuck a toothpick in my eye and broke it off.

    I think I made the right choice.

    I am tired of your lack of effort Woodguy. You are soft – giving up when the going gets tough. Folding with your toothpick in your eye the minute that you face determined opposition. I see it in your body language buddy. You are already gone, thinking about the greener pastures of Copper and Blue or Leafs Nation or something. You know, its sad because I used to like you as a commentator, but you used to give a damn back then.

  165. Woodguy says:

    bookje: I am tired of your lack of effort Woodguy.You are soft – giving up when the going gets tough.Folding with your toothpick in your eye the minute that you face determined opposition.I see it in your body language buddy. You are already gone, thinking about the greener pastures of Copper and Blue or Leafs Nation or something.You know, its sad because I used to like you as a commentator, but you used to give a damn back then.

    I don’t know if its the lack of “bookiethingy” on the new site, or whatever, but you have been on fire since the move to the new site.

    Well done sir.

  166. Lowetide says:

    Hags: Wow, man. PLEASE make use of the paragraph option.

  167. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: I don’t know if its the lack of “bookiethingy” on the new site, or whatever, but you have been on fire since the move to the new site.

    Well done sir.

    Seconded.

    Lowetide:Hags: Wow, man. PLEASE make use of the paragraph option.

    Negative firsted.

  168. bookje says:

    Woodguy,

    That bookie was a buttersoft pussy – BOOKJE don’t suffer no fools!

    It’s probably because I draw upon the deep emotional pain of watching the Oilers and then bring that pain into my craft. One day I will probably just come in here and shoot up the joint or be found on the floor by the twitter tag below having choked on my own vomit with a bottle of aged rum and a bunch of prescription pain pills nearby. But you all got a few laughs out of me – so good on ya – thanks for caring.

  169. hags9k says:

    Yes guys. No question my posts look horrid, and I probably would not have read those either so I apologize for the lack of paragraphs.

    I don’t post often so don’t realize how long winded I am being. I don’t regret any of the content though and know the paragraph reaction is more due to the fact y’all are hardcore Hemmer lovers and I respect that.

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