G51 Hawks at Oilers

Chicago’s hockey team is off the pace. The Blackhawks have allowed 30 more goals than conference leading Detroit but trail by only 4 points. Chicago actually has fewer losses, which I blame on the Bettman point but stand to be corrected. Corey Crawford’s SP is .902 and  Ray Emery’s is .907. I keep thinking Chicago will make a move to address goaltending but it hasn’t happened yet.

The Scooter line was a terrific trio during the 60s. I believe (Bruce?) Ab McDonald was the original LW on the line and do know that Kenny Wharram’s career ending when he had a heart attack at training camp 1969.

Sept 25, 1969 Saskatoon Star-Phoenix

The Hawks had another line that was dominant at the same time. It was basically Bobby Hull and the other two guys on his line, although Bill Hay, Chico Maki, Phil Esposito, Pit Martin and others certainly had a lot of talent. The modern Hawks have some splendid talents up front, including Toews, Kane, the sublime Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Viktor Stallberg, Dave Bolland and others.

Ales Hemsky is a player teams covet, because he’s not out of place in very skilled company. Oh hell, I’m not saying he’s Bobby Hull or Stan Mikita, or even Jonathan Toews or Marian Hossa, but he’s a very good forward with miles and miles of miles and miles ahead of him.

And he’s available.

Oilers may get RNH and or Barker back tonight and it looks like Gilbert is a little ways from being ready. Oil look good lately but the Hawks must have some venom for the 29th place Oilers and losses in the last two get-togethers. Patrick Kane has vowed revenge and Chicago has some real firepower. If their goalies can stop some pucks this should be a W for Chicago tonight.

If I were a zillionaire I’d buy the Oilers and hire Scott Reynolds to dig deep into the minor, Euro and junior leagues. His look at OKC’s estimated time on ice and their scoring rates during that time on ice is a look inside a window we rarely enjoy. With hockey apparently unwilling to count at-bats in the AHL, this method (painstaking as it may be) offers us a very nice glimpse into how coach Nelson is using his team. I could link to something at C&B daily, but Scott’s stuff about OKC is always a real treat.

John Mackinnon writes an item about brave Peter Puck here. Mr. Pocklington will have to wait until all of us are dead if he wants to change the story to fit his book. ALL of us.

 

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  1. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    That was remarkable.As evidenced by my remarking on it.

    When you put it that way, a lot of things are remarkable, which in turn, kind of makes the notion of remarking on something being a measure of impressiveness rather somewhat unimpressive, yet still remarkable (apparently).

  2. "Steve Smith" says:

    Comment from a friend of mine on Facebook that perfectly captures my own reaction:

    After scoring eight points(!), Sam Gagner is named the first, second, *and* third star, which gives me the odd feeling of simultaneously thinking, “What kind of cheesy bullshit is that?”, and, “Yeah, obviously.”

  3. bookje says:

    I have a new schedule to propose to the league. The Oilers play each team twice (home and away) and play Chicago 24 times.

  4. Bos8 says:

    Hall was in overdrive tonight, flat out all night. He is scary both for and against.

    I cringe every time he does that.

    He is turning before hitting the boards, so there is that.

    47 shots on goal. Dubnyk with a 915 after that. Lordy, Lordy

  5. godot10 says:

    Taylor Hall creates an incredible amount of space for Gagner.

    If Nugent-Hopkins and Eberle can anchor one line, I think Hall and Gagner could anchor another.

    Hartikainen with the first two, and flipping Paajarvi on the right side with the second two.

  6. "Steve Smith" says:

    You know, Gagner actually scored eight points in two periods. So, really, he had a twelve point night.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Well, and I hate to say this, but if it isn’t clear now that the mad Russian doesn’t belong with the maniac kids tonight’s the night.

    93, 89 at center for the skill lines. Full stop.

  8. hunter1909 says:

    On a brighter note, tonight’s game means Gagner won’t be getting traded this season.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Here’s a fun thought: Gagner could have got traded just before the all star break, and scored 8 in his very first game for his new team.

  10. speeds says:

    Pretty quiet 4 point games out of Eberle and Hall, relatively speaking.

    Actually, that’s Eberle’s 2nd 4 point game against CHI this year, the other was Nugent-Hopkins 5A game, where Hall had a hat trick.

  11. Bos8 says:

    Not to be the #2 in the chariot in the Triumphal Parade.

    Remember Samwise, you’re still Gagner.

  12. Lowetide says:

    Eberle got his 20th tonight, I kind of knew it at the time but the excitement of 89′s evening washed it away. Terrific kids, this group.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Traktor:
    Gagner is only 2 goals back of Cogs

    I’m happy for Gags and his supporters.

    Please remove that meal from your mouth.

  14. delooper says:

    It’s been a *long* time since we’ve talked about an Oiler having a quiet 4-point night.

  15. peeps says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    You know, Gagner actually scored eight points in two periods.So, really, he had a twelve point night.

    That’s just cheating now… Like pro-rating someone’s points to “correct” for missed games due to injuries :)

  16. "Steve Smith" says:

    Random observation: Ryan Whitney now has nine shots on the season. Yowza.

  17. "Steve Smith" says:

    peeps,

    No, if I was cheating I’d point out that Gagner got three points in the first half of the third period, meaning that it was actually an eighteen point night.

  18. Gerta Rauss says:

    Jesus-at the 21 minute mark down 2-0 I thought we were in for another stinker.Wow.

  19. OilClog says:

    I hope it’s clear to everyone running the team, that Horcoff and Belanger are 3/4 centers. After the last 4 games, withstanding more injuries.. is this team really still a lottery team? I don’t think they are.

  20. "Steve Smith" says:

    Another random observation: the NHL’s current survey question is the following:

    Which team is most likely to miss the 2012 playoffs?
    Dallas Stars
    Minnesota Wild
    Colorado Avalanche
    Toronto Maple Leafs
    New Jersey Devils
    Other

    Is it just me (it’s not), or is the inclusion of “other” in that question monumentally stupid?

  21. cabbiesmacker says:

    Gagner now officially a little M U D D E R

  22. speeds says:

    Lowetide:
    Eberle got his 20th tonight, I kind of knew it at the time but the excitement of 89′s evening washed it away. Terrific kids, this group.

    Also hit 50 points

  23. oilersfan says:

    Hey who’s the asshole who deleted my post from this morning predicting the Oilers win 8-4 , Gagner with 8 points, Hall and Eberle with 4 each FFS?

    (LOL)

    And Horcoff and Hemsky are -2 in an 8-4 win, Gagner +6. WTF?

  24. unca miltie says:

    watching espn as I listen to the waves hit the beach in Maui. They showed highlights of Samwise’s game. Said it was first time oil have been on sports centre since Charlie Huddy was playing. KInda bad, eh

  25. oilersfan says:

    I bet Doug Gilmour never got 8 points

  26. peeps says:

    “Steve Smith”
    Peeps

    No, if I was cheating I’d point out that Gagner got three points in the first half of the third period, meaning that it was actually an eighteen point night.

    cool… Can we cheat and make Barker seem like a real top 4 d-man?

  27. commonfan14 says:

    Hall now with 38 points in 41 games…

  28. spoiler says:

    I started to get worried for Safeway there towards the end.

    But wow, just wow. Life will never be able to take this moment away from the young lad.

  29. oilersfan says:

    Hall now with more points per game than Seguin. Hall with 38 in 41, Seguin with 43 in 48.

    Where is that asshole DSF*ckhead and his Kyle Wellwood comparison now?

    Now if Gagner could win faceoffs, get a bit faster and be a prick he could be a lot like Gilmour.

  30. DSF says:

    oilersfan:
    Hall now with more points per game than Seguin. Hall with 38 in 41, Seguin with 43 in 48.

    Where is that asshole DSF*ckhead and his Kyle Wellwood comparison now?

    Now if Gagner could win faceoffs, get a bit faster and be a prick he could be a lot like Gilmour.

    Wellwood only scored once tonight.

    He’s got 10G 21A 31P +3

    Sam has 9G 21A 30P +2

    Remarkable isn’t it?

  31. Ducey says:

    Barker: +3, 1 shot, 1G
    Hemsky: -2, no shots

    Ales still sleepwalking.

  32. "Steve Smith" says:

    Remarkable isn’t it?

    That you’d leave out games played? Nah, we’ve come to expect that.

  33. DSF says:

    "Steve Smith": That you’d leave out games played?Nah, we’ve come to expect that.

    Oh, are we pro-rating again?

    Might want to throw PPTOI in there.

    Despite playing 8 fewer games, Sam actually has 20 more PP minutes played.

  34. HBomb says:

    "Steve Smith": That you’d leave out games played?Nah, we’ve come to expect that.

    Not to mention, Kyle Wellwood never MADE the NHL as a regular until age 22, Gagner’s current age. Say what you want about Gagner maybe being in the league 1-2 years too early, but it takes some pretty impressive & willful ignorance to try and draw a comparison between those two players.

    For the record, in 30 years of going to Oilers games, I don’t remember ever once saving a ticket stub. Until tonight. Unbelievable – words cannot describe what I witnessed this evening. When Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle both pot 4 points each and it goes virtually unnoticed, you know something special happened.

  35. James says:

    DSF: Oh, are we pro-rating again?

    Might want to throw PPTOI in there.

    Despite playing 8 fewer games, Sam actually has 20 more PP minutes played.

    Jeeeeeeesus, guy. Not tonight.

    He’s been killing it since his ankle healed up. You can ignore games played, age, injury, and cherry pick whatever stats you want, but at the end of the day he’s exactly the type of guy you want on your bench. He deserved tonight.

  36. Bos8 says:

    Boy, let’s give Hemsky a shot. He was on the heavy lifting tonight.

    The Oilers still have two smallish centers. Yes, everything Gagner touched turned to gold tonight. But he needs room which Hall and Eberle provided tonight. He skated very well tonight, the best I’ve ever seen from him. But he’s still Gagner with all the warts.

    Chicago had only five D, one got injured, and their Goalies were suspect all night.

    It’s never as high and never as low.

    The encouraging thing is that Whitney is skating pain free according to Renney and Barker is moving better. That’s two goals from the D.

    That’s the good news

  37. HBomb says:

    Some quick research has revealed that neither Andrew Cogliano or Kyle Wellwood ever have scored 8 points in a hockey game. It also should be noted that no, Doug Gilmour never pulled the feat off either.

  38. Schitzo says:

    Hah, according to Dennis’s review of the game, Gagner was on the ice for 8 scoring chances for. Now that’s efficient.

  39. nwgy says:

    LT : read your comment on dubnyk re: the first goal by mayers and NHL goalies. Sutton screened him as if on purpose, bent his body just so, wasnt even a good shot by mayers but 40 did react a bit slow. Otherwise, easily the #4 star tonight!

  40. Lois Lowe says:

    Traktor gets props from me for making a funny comment in true Traktor form.

    DSF is just coming across like an ass in true DSF form.

  41. bookje says:

    Lois Lowe:
    Traktor gets props from me for making a funny comment in true Traktor form.

    DSF is just coming across like an ass in true DSF form.

    If only there was a button for that – Danny – did you throw away all of those like buttons or do you have a few boxes of them left ?

  42. rickithebear says:

    The thing that gets me:
    Cody hodgson Rookie
    Sam gagner season #5
    Both 22 years old at the end of the season.
    Ie: playing there 22 year old season.
    Gagner 64G 131A 195pts.
    Hodgson 15G 17A 32Pts

  43. Schitzo says:

    rickithebear:
    The thing that gets me:
    Cody hodgson Rookie
    Sam gagner season #5
    Both 22 years old at the end of the season.
    Ie: playing there 22 year old season.
    Gagner64G 131A 195pts.
    Hodgson 15G 17A 32Pts

    Personally, I’m inclined to draw the conclusion that the effect of AHL development and NHL development is basically the same.

  44. hags9k says:

    More C A N N O N than fodder. Great night for the Oil drop.

  45. stevezie says:

    See how much fun hockey can be with shitty goalies? The league should ban goaltending coaches, that would sure spice things up.

  46. russ99 says:

    Bos8,

    Agreed, but the thing to take out of this is that Sam is still 22 and he can do what we saw tonight when healthy, motivated and with quality linemates.

    That to me says that he should still be part of the rebuild and not sold low at the deadline because the Oilers are afraid of paying him as an RFA.

    Maybe some of what we saw this year is being pushed to wing and playing with the likes of Horcoff/Belanger… Not to mention how our skill players other than the kid line have struggled with Renney’s system.

  47. Woodguy says:

    Schitzo: Personally, I’m inclined to draw the conclusion that the effect of AHL development and NHL development is basically the same.

    I’;ve been looking into this and I think you are mostly right.

    Its a matter of physical and mental maturity, regardless of where they play.

    That being said, getting into the NHL early and getting killed can be a negative, but that’s not totally clear from what I’m looking at.

  48. unca miltie says:

    got the feed thanks so much

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