G62 Oilers at Jets (+ trade deadline)
The Edmonton Oilers and Winnipeg Jets are tied together in so many ways. Brought into the world at the same time, their most famous players and teams were fast and skilled and talented. Winnipeg won the championships early, the Oilers a decade or so later. Winnipeg won three, Edmonton five. The great Oilers teams were modeled on the Winnipeg philosophy, which was their nickname: the Jets.
I used to catch games (this is miles ago) at the old barn in Winnipeg and can say the Jets and their town were/are as close as the Oilers and ours. The absolute heartache suffered by Winnipeg after the merger should have killed the entire fanbase, but the Mayans of the north would not be denied and are working on a fresh calendar.
The Jets are doing well this season, with a chance to win a spot in the playoffs first time around and they could win the division if the sun shines and the floodway holds.
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It’s deadline day.
Butch Goring–from St. Boniface, Manitoba–represents the official starting point for what has now become the trade deadline. Bill Torrey’s Islanders had been strong contenders for about 5 years by the time 1980′s deadline arrived, but they could never get over the hump and win the day. Torrey had his sights on a center to take the pressure off Bryan Trottier–it was rumored to be Darryl Sittler from Toronto–but couldn’t close the deal as the deadline approached.
Torrey went with a player he remembered from a 1977 playoff series agains the Bruins–Butch Goring of the LA Kings. Torrey felt Goring was the best player for the Kings in that series and kept him in mind in case the opportunity ever arose. As it turned out, Torrey had to overpay–he gave up a quality winger and a fine defenseman–to get Goring at the 1980 deadline.This item is from March of that year:
Bill Torrey: “Every GM has the mandate to win the Cup, but you can’t just say it. You have to back it up with the steps that convince your owner, your fans, the media that, yeah, we’re headed in the right direction.”
I think the Oilers sent a very positive message to the fanbase this past week, adding Ales Hemsky to that gifted young forward group. The management team can do even more at the deadline, addressing (if possible) holes like:
- A legit defenseman who can play the hairy minutes. A real one, someone with a resume that tells us he can do the job alongside Gilbert, Smid, possibly Petry and maybe a healthy Whitney. That player may not be available at the deadline, but maybe there’s something creative available.
- A goaltending option that will either serve as a backup option to DD or perhaps more desirable someone to push Dubnyk and offer the organizaiton another possible #1 option.
- A strong, effective 2-way winger. I know size and toughness are often mentioned, but if the club can add a Dvorak type who can score goals, be effective without the puck and help the PK that should be considered a major success.
hags9k,
On the downside, the Oilers are worse at hockey than they were yesterday. On the upside, their intangibles are through the roof!
As Captain Obvious is fond of pointing out (in the context of size), intangibles matter…insofar as they are reflected by results. If you apply intangibles to offset a difference in results, you’re double-counting intangibles.
I’ll also admit that that was a hell of a defensive play by RNH.
“Steve Smith”,
I agree. I’m just trying to figure out the the giant WTF that took place in Tambo’s head today.
In backwards land anything is possible!
Horcoff did a head deke thingy there, it was funny because the defender did ZERO to react. Poor Horc, everything he does offensively is low percentage at this point. If he plays to the end of this contract the Mendoza line might have a name change.
hags9k,
Gotcha. I’m feeling charitable, so I’m adopting, utterly without evidence, the “Gilbert demanded a trade to Minnesota” hypothesis.
Picky fucking icing call
Crazy oilers defending the slot by stickhandling up the middle – suicide play but they’re all at it. Mark of a great team in development, methinks.
Great game for the hockey purist tonight.
Kyle Wellwood has infinity percent more goals tonight than Sam Gagner.
hunter1909,
Yes, they are having flashbacks to the 80′s when we owned them.
The man said, “DRINK!”. Goddammit.
No need to make 0.25 PPG, -7 and a shooting percentage of 2.5 (terrible for a defenseman) any worse than it is.
The only bright spot is his performance last season although that included quite a bit of time in the top 6 which is likely not coming around again anytime soon.
The larger sample size likely is mkore accurate.
This best of 1 series is pretty good this year.
Yeah. That was as picky as I’ve ever seen. Linesman mighta had a brain fart.
Kane has had some penalty issues along the boards the last few weeks. Might turn into that kinda player.
PARLIAMENT!!
DRINK!!
So it was more of a “want”, then?
Quick strike on the PP.
BIG BEN! DRINK!
I didn’t like Hemsky’s body language in putting that guy in a headlock. No passion.
Did Hemsky just steer wrestle someone to the ice?
spoiler,
Yeah, but he was only doing it in the hopes of getting a penalty, so he could leave the period early.
Everyone with a PVR rewind and see who hauled LIttle out of the scrum with a headlock after he jumped Hall.
Soft, not caring Euro Hemsky.
That’s all Petry
Petry with the poo tree.
It’s going to end 7-6 LOL
Okay. 6-5
Tonight, Jet’s fans seeing oilers like their very own past/future version of the Dallas Stars, kids.
Tonight is hockey school night for the young oilers.
There’s the new #1 Jeff Petry everybody.
Nice turnovers there by Hemsky and Petry.
Young defensemen. God almighty I’ve seen enough for a lifetime.
That ended well
DSF,
Almost as if “willingness to put people in headlocks” had very little to do with winning hockey games. Almost.
Sure could of used Schultz there.
Obviously, you aren’t current on the MSM’s party line. It wasn’t Hemsky’s fault after all. It’s been that butter soft, pass happy, Minnesota loving’ Tom Gilbert whose been responsible for the fact that the Oilers have been the worst team in the NHL the decade.
Things are looking up though. Nick Schultz is from the same province as Gordie Howe, so we’re cool.
Hall looks bad after the late shot there, I think there’s some maturity to go for the young man. Petry’s confidence has been on high lately, but just like kids everywhere he’s been pushing things and that play should serve as a slap and a reminder.
Strangely enough, what I need or want seems to have little effect on Paajarvi’s actual performance on the ice.
But when you’re a healthy scratch in favour of Ryan Jones you may want to start start studying the collected works of Gloria Grahame.
Wow. Dreadfully Slow Fox, how do you expect anyone to give anything you write any cred whatsoever with random Junior High comments like that?
I like these Jets.
They play good clean skilled hockey, and have the toughies like Kane and Bryzguffalin to show Eberle(?) how to do a somersault over a defenceman’s back.
DSF: How does Paajarvi at 19 compare to Gretzky at 27? Might want to run that.
Or study the mental capabilities of the head coach.
Lowetide,
Fuck that, I want to hear more about Kyle Wellwood.
Petry just brutal… Among the worst plays of the season there.
Or change coaches.
He’s gotta stock beaking the refs too. Doesn’t get any calls and his ticky-tack ones end up with him in the box.
Vanmassenhoven is a dick and a bad ref, but beaking him doesn’t help.
How about Dustin Brown?
He’s no Kyle Wellwood but 4G 5P in his last 2 games.
I can’t keep up anymore.
So Paajarvi is scratched for Howe?
Didn’t they already try that three times in the last four seasons?
Who were you hoping for?
Khabby would like to be part of the team for years to come… Has he looked at the birthdate on his driver’s license lately? Or did they take that from him?
Lol
Man that looks like a fun rink to watch a game in. Good for the Peg. I originally predicted a 3 year honeymoon and then they’d be in trouble, but as long as the dollar stays close to par I think they’ll be fine. Definately on my list of rinks to see a game in.
EVERYONE THE OILERS DO NOT HAVE ARE GOOD
EVERYONE ON THE OILERS IS BAD
WE ARE AT WAR WITH EURASIA
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAS WITH EURASIA
Craig MacTavish
Horc on the #1 PP unit? Renneyyyyyyy
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel!
I did manage to edit it.
DSF,
It’s generally the first, actually.
(Credit: Ambrose Bierce)
Jones!!
Petrell!!
Boy am I glad Paajarvi got scratched!!
:p
Not sure which is the bigger shock… Jones getting PP time after HS time or Petrell scoring.
Woot. Sean of the Dead pots a softie
fucking Paajarvi. He’s nothing like Bob Baun. Or paint!
Renney is a genius.
I’m calling Hordichuk with the empty-netter.
I’m sorry…. but Petrell just looks creepy.
Missed the second goal by Winnipeg and first by Edmonton, but I really don’t like Hall on/near the blue line on the powerplay at all.Not the first time I’ve said that, though.
Nice pass by Hemsky to Nuge.. and Nuge then tries to one up Hemsky with the pass to Jones for the goal.
But Hemsky is such a bad man. Surprised they let him stay with the kids. He may make them too soft.
I’m really getting a kick out of watching an old timey game of shinny tonight.
Jets play regularly vs Ovechkin and Stamkos. Taylor Hall is relatively easy for them, lol.
Come on Jets, show up and win this meaningless game while you still can.
Hesmky is a point per game player since signing his extension.
Disgustingly Syphilitic Fox…
Only you would go with a quote that is more famous for its lack of context than its meaning.
Way to stay true!!
Don’t tease people, Woodguy. its not nice.
Hemsky is trash and we grossly overpaid to keep him here for two years. He’s soft, disinterested, doesn’t score goals and I hear he kicks a puppy and eats a kitten before every game.
Or something to that affect. I lost track of all the Hemsky bashing and where they are at.
Gagner with a poor play at the blue and then Petry with a nice one at our blue.
Yeah, weak no look back hander into 4 jets with his wingers in deep. Not good.
Even with his foibles, Petry looks a lot better lately. Seems to have added a fair bit of grit to his game along the boards in the defensive zone this year.
Creepy scored again!
Lenny Pets!
Also, I love these announcers. “Hemsky may have gotten a stick on it” regarding rbekaing up that 2v1 pass. I don’t think they got the memo — woo, another!
Petrell, unbelievable.
*runs outside to make sure there’s still a moon*
Wait.
Oh man, looks like Creepy uncle Lester got a bit of that for his 2nd.
“Petrell will get an assist, because he gave the puck to Hall.”
Sterling analysis. Just terrific stuff.
Wheeler loves the low percentage wrist shot ala theformercaptainethanmoreau
@shorcov will be on fire after the game with Madman Petrell lighting it up.
I think it would speed up the rebuild if we could spend a
couple of seasons in the SE div
Hall .. Belanger? Petrell?
you really can play anyone with Taylor Hall, i guess.
wow.
hockeyguy10,
Have you looked at the Northwest lately?
If there was any argument whether or not this is Taylor Hall’s team I think his actions over the past few weeks have answered any questions. This is his team.
Yeah, the SE is a joke. Largely because of Washington’s issues (seriously.. now that team, in spite of some fantastic players is in a lot of trouble from a culture/management point of view).
Hell, being in the East would likely lead to the Oilers having a better record just due to more bad teams and the SE division.
But Boston would probably break half our players in half.
great work on wheeler by smid
Steve Smith; yes, the NW is a semi weak division but you do have Vancouver in there and teams the Oilers tend to suck against (Calgary and Minnesota road games…. guaranteed losses for awhile there).
And.. Petrell. Totally a “fuck this” play there.
“Steve Smith”,
Yes. Not as bad as the SE
Love Laddy’s game this year. What’s his next contract worth???
No goal
You can’t push the goalie into the net with the puck anyway – no goal
Smid gets traded for that puck moving defenceman the team needs.
Jesus, Eberle.
Sick. Just filthy
Sorry, let me try that without the comma: Jesus Eberle. Jesus H. Eberle.
What hands! – dam I love watching that guy play hockey
Eberle is a god damn maestro on the backhand.
Eberle is a gift, like the Hockey Gods added up the first rounders from the 90s and said “Jeebus, we were kind of hard on tequila Barry back then” and gave us 14.
and the hockey city of Winnipeg hates the hockey city of Edmonton once again.
Hall and Seguin tied in points now this year.
Hall with 7 less games played.
Taylor Hall, or as Douchy S. Fox calls him. Ethan Moreau.
Dumb penalty to take from jones. Very Moreau-esque.
Horcoff…..nevermind.
83 with a great pass, 10 with a wide open net, and I mean really wide open……chunk, chunk.
I’d trust Eberle with my life in downtown Baghdad. There is no one I’d rather see with the puck when something needs to get done.
Horcoff, right there proving why Hemsky is never a point per game player.
How do you mess that up!?
HorcaFlub – hilarious!
Eberle needs to give Hall a tutorial on how to finish close in like that. Hall needs to cut his stick as well. Sick goal.
If Horcoff had a breakaway on the ocean he would miss wide.
Classic Horcoff on that empty net. Haha, wow.
My hockey life flashed before my eyes ….. Flick, flick, flick
Deja vu all over and over and over
Great game, too bad oilers aren’t allowed to decline the 2 points though.
Winnipeg fans treated to yet another dose of oiler’s hockey.
Probably a 2 pt per game player over his career if he wasn’t playing with a stiff like Horcoff. Nice hands there Shawn. Is that the new Easton Cement you’re using?
DD played well. Stopped some grade A chances. The grade A chances don’t seem to be a problem for him though.
Flames getting another nail in the coffin tonight.
3-1 Blues after two.
I know the conversation has moved past this but Hall and the late shot/elbow to the glass afterwards endears as much as it bothers. The kid is intense even though they’re fighting for 28th spot. Even with Seguin doing as well as he is doing I’m still happy they took him over Seguin.
4-93-83 looked like they were on another planet for 1/2 the night.
A few times each of them looked surprised to see the puck on their stick.
That is a pile of talent to put on the ice at once.
Will be fun to watch them for the rest of the year, and for at least a year after that.
The old joke is that Hemsky’s shoulders gave out because he’s been carrying Horcoff for 8 years.
Pay the man!
Epic. Simply wonderful. That play is a microcosm of them playing together.
Thanks for the great laugh. After Gilbert… I needed that.
Of course there is always that pesky +31.
It’s all Gilbert’s fault!
Where are the context police?
At the game tonight… RNH impressive. He hardly ever has the puck, for the split seconds he has it though, great things happen.
Sitting here wondering why you still don’t understand the limitations of +/- after all these years.
It’s all good though…They got Jackman re-upped. Priorities, priorities.
Gotta feel for Feaster fielding calls the last few days.
“Hi Jay it’s “every other GM in the league calling. Lets talk Iginla”
“I can’t….Ken King says he’s golden and he’s got a NMC”
“How about Cammalleri?”
“NTC”
“Tanguay?”
“NTC”
“Jokinen?”
NTC
“Glencross?”
“NMC”…Is this a prank call?”
“No Jay…how about Moss or Backlund then?”
“Injured”..(sob)
“So you have nothing of value at F to trade me Jay?”
“I could probably get Stajan to wave HIS NTC”
“Bwaahaahaa…now who’s pranking who?”
How bout we try for a D then Jay?”
“Ok” (sound of kleenex box being opened)
“JBo?”
“NTC”
“Giordano?”
“NMC..then NTC”
“Sarich?”
“FULL NMC”
“Ok Jay…lets make this easier then…Babchuk?”
“NTC”……(sound of bullets being loaded into revolver)
“Well Jay I don’t know what to say man. About the only other guy we’d be interested in is Kipper”
moment of silence
BANG
You murdered them a long time ago.
He does.
He makes Lucy look like the best holder in the history of football.
You mean the guy who has one of the highest shootout percentages in the NHL?
Horcoff is fine on breakaways and shootouts because he already has the puck.
His problem is he cannot take a pass if he’s looking at an empty net.
Of course there is always that pesky +31.
Where are the context police?
How about the context that Boston is +61 in goal differential, while the Oilers are -17.
Just acknowledge your sentiment in comparing Hall to Moreau was either:
1. Absurd
2. or Trollish behavior.
I’m convinced they operated on the wrong shoulder. Hemsky must shake his head after chances like that.
Nice win.Fun game to watch.
Re: The Nuge
2 gp. 1-1-2.
Still tearing it up.
2 gp. 2 for 20 on FOs.
Still torn up.
That is not good news for the shoulder. Not that he was king of the dot before. But 10%?
Hall with only 3 recorded shots tonight. Only 3. And the number looks light to my eye.
Since Christmas, Hemsky has been more physically proactive than I ever remember seeing him before. Signing him was the right thing to do.
DSF,
that’s not Tom Gilbert’s fault, it is Zdeno Chara’s fault.
Tyler Seguin’s +/- should really be thought of as Zdeno Chara’s +/- versus soft opposition.
not that Seguin isn’t excellent and defensively responsible. as a centre, he is.
still, Chara.
Well, Calgary lost and we won, so that’s good. Takes the edge off not getting enough for Gilbert.
Also just realised we just matched our Wins from last year (25) with 20 games to go, and are only 6 points back of where we ended last year.
Even with the injuries the team seems to be moving in the right direction — even if there are still areas that drive us up the wall and into the ceiling fan.
cabbiesmacker,
that was epic.
Oh he absolutely does. No doubt about it.
I don’t normally waste my time with him. Gilbert trade must have got to me.
I shouldn’t make jokes at the expense of the handicapped but wth.
Best part of the game down south was seeing Al MacInnis at his appreciation night…wearing a bag over his head.
Landeskog with 2 pts tonight. Uh oh. Cmon Ryan Nugent Gretzky.
Gold, Jerry, pure gold.
Cabbie, that was wonderful, thanks.
Hall officially passes “Snake Bite” Seguin tonight.
Of course we can excuse Hall from any participation in that dreadful result as it is after all a team stat.
Eberle is somehow +5.
BTW, Chara is only +22 while Seguin is +31.
Go figure.
What does Seguin have to do with your comparison of Hall to Moreau?
Hall is even on a team with a -17 goal differential. Not to mention the powerplay being #1 in the league, which makes the even-strength metric look worse.
Kid is a player – and you still can’t even acknowledge that your comparison to Ethan Moreau was asinine?
that’s probably because Chara faces tougher opposition than Seguin, but Chara is very often on the ice when Seguin faces soft opposition.
factor in Rask and Thomas..
point is that if Seguin faced tougher opposition on a poor defensive team, his +/- would suffer greatly. fortunately for him, this isn’t the case.
Petry with 24+ minutes tonight.
I had the pleasure of watching this game live at the MTS Centre. The kids are a treat to watch zip around creating offense.
Since the Jets have been reborn I’ve shelled out some bucks to split season seats with some friends and family. The rink has been rocking all year and tonight was a little bizarre for me. I’ll always be an Oilers fan to the core but being a Manitoban and loving the fact the Jets are back I feel a responsibility to support the home team.
So there I was with my nephew wearing my Oilers jersey under my Jets jersey awkwardly cheering every goal, except the Petrell goal (wow was that a bad one). I was really hoping for a Jets win (they need the Ws more than the Oilers do this year). I’m glad they only play once this year.
It was like the 80s all over again. Gretzky with a couple of points, Kurri with a snipe with the supporting cast chipping in a couple.
.. the fact that they are dueling with the Leafs for a playoff spot makes it all the more difficult to cheer against them.
it is almost like .. in a way .. cheering for the leafs.
yuck.
WHIT FOST
SMID PETR
SUTT POTT
PECK
UFA DEPTH SIGNING
Just trying to get my head around the Oil D for the next year.
My questions are:
1. Does Schultz in for Gilbert reduce the Goals Against?
2. Does Schultz in for Gilbert reduce the Goals For?
3. Will Schultz help you win more hockey games
From the sounds of it, he’s a guy who hates too lose, who is calm and cool under pressure, does the simple things well. (Don’t mind me, I’m just trying to rationalize things so I can sleep.)
Is that the kind of guy this defence needed? Yes.
At the cost of Gilbert? Only if Ryan Whitney can play like his former self AND stay healthy.
That’s the only way I can see making this bet, Gibby for Schultz, without there being a second piece to the move.
Cabbiesmacker wins the thread. That was pure gold.
x- Schultz
Smid-Petry
Whitney-Potter
Sutton
That’s the best we can hope for.
The good news is that Schultz can play either side so we can target a RH or LH D…whether that’s a UFA signing like Zannon or trade for a Beauchemin/Gleason/Gorges type or the home run like a Suter.
There has to be another piece coming though…you can’t just swap Gilbert for Schultz and hope that solves all your problems.
As bad as some of the decisions made by our GMs have been, I am glad that they have been very very limited in their willingness to give out NMCs and NTCs.
I seriously died laughing, absolutely brilliant,
That was awesome Cabbiesmacker. Do all those guys really have no trades? Wow are the fLames screwed. I want to hear Fatster run his mouth next year about finishing higher than us.
Cabbie killed it, no dount. Loved when they moved to the defense.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel!”
DSF,
And the first refuge is trolling.