G62 Oilers at Jets (+ trade deadline)

The Edmonton Oilers and Winnipeg Jets are tied together in so many ways. Brought into the world at the same time, their most famous players and teams were fast and skilled and talented. Winnipeg won the championships early, the Oilers a decade or so later. Winnipeg won three, Edmonton five. The great Oilers teams were modeled on the Winnipeg philosophy, which was their nickname: the Jets.

I used to catch games (this is miles ago) at the old barn in Winnipeg and can say the Jets and their town were/are as close as the Oilers and ours. The absolute heartache suffered by Winnipeg after the merger should have killed the entire fanbase, but the Mayans of the north would not be denied and are working on a fresh calendar.

The Jets are doing well this season, with a chance to win a spot in the playoffs first time around and they could win the division if the sun shines and the floodway holds.

It’s deadline day.

Butch Goring–from St. Boniface, Manitoba–represents the official starting point for what has now become the trade deadline. Bill Torrey’s Islanders had been strong contenders for about 5 years by the time 1980′s deadline arrived, but they could never get over the hump and win the day. Torrey had his sights on a center to take the pressure off Bryan Trottier–it was rumored to be Darryl Sittler from Toronto–but couldn’t close the deal as the deadline approached.

Torrey went with a player he remembered from a 1977 playoff series agains the Bruins–Butch Goring of the LA Kings. Torrey felt Goring was the best player for the Kings in that series and kept him in mind in case the opportunity ever arose. As it turned out, Torrey had to overpay–he gave up a quality winger and a fine defenseman–to get Goring at the 1980 deadline.This item is from March of that year:

Bill Torrey: “Every GM has the mandate to win the Cup, but you can’t just say it. You have to back it up with the steps that convince your owner, your fans, the media that, yeah, we’re headed in the right direction.”

I think the Oilers sent a very positive message to the fanbase this past week, adding Ales Hemsky to that gifted young forward group. The management team can do even more at the deadline, addressing (if possible) holes like:

  • A legit defenseman who can play the hairy minutes. A real one, someone with a resume that tells us he can do the job alongside Gilbert, Smid, possibly Petry and maybe a healthy Whitney. That player may not be available at the deadline, but maybe there’s something creative available.
  • A goaltending option that will either serve as a backup option to DD or perhaps more desirable someone to push Dubnyk and offer the organizaiton another possible #1 option.
  • A strong, effective 2-way winger. I know size and toughness are often mentioned, but if the club can add a Dvorak type who can score goals, be effective without the puck and help the PK that should be considered a major success.

 

 

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  1. JorgeR04 says:

    The least productive work day of the year for myself and many others I’m sure.

  2. BlacqueJacque says:

    To be honest, what really excites me today is what the Flames will do at the deadline. Will they stand pat (squeeeee! another 9th-11th finish with an aging and increasingly inept core!), or will they blow it up (squeeeee! Dramarama in Cowtown, fingers pointing, Jay Feaster eating some crow, will Iginla still be a Flame, who will be dealt/kept?)

    It’s like a win/win.

    The Oilers did what they had to: the signed Hemsky. Now it’s time to bust out the popcorn and browse the Flames section at HF.

  3. Mr DeBakey says:

    Dale Hawerchuk is the most underrated NHLer of all time.

    If he’d played for the Leafs, he wudda been better than Gretzky

  4. spoiler says:

    Barker in for Gilbert… or what we like to call, “Guaranteed Loss Night.”

  5. spoiler says:

    That old Winnipeg barn was something else. In the upper deck you felt like you were hanging over the rink. Whenever the action moved to the opposite side of the ice, the folks in the higher bottom bowl seats had to watch the play on the TVs bolted into the bottom of the upper deck, since it hung so low. Something else. I loved that front row of the upper deck though. Right on top of the action.

  6. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    Barker in for Gilbert…or what we like to call, “Guaranteed Loss Night.”

    That’s gross.

    Apparent sore back for Gilbert.

    The Oilers will have 1 actual NHL Dman (5), one promising young Dman (58), one lame horse (6), then assorted flotsam and jetsome (25,13,44).

    I probably take the over tonight. 5-3 Winnipeg.

    Also,

    Lots of smoke around Jones and Khabby.

    If v4.0 manages to move those two while signing Hemsky and (hopefully) not fuck anything else up my world view of the management team will take a dramatic shift.

    Go Oilers!

    Go v4.0!!

  7. JorgeR04 says:

    Should we be worried that Gilbert isn’t set to be in the line-up? If he gets traded this will not be a good day.

  8. Lowetide says:

    ST won’t drive the bus today, but could be very busy right at 1pm. A team that begins the day targeting Ott might check off to Moen and then call about Eager–who has been playing well. Maybe the Oilers trade him, maybe they don’t.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Eager gone today for an overpay. Peckham is also a candidate imo, and Jones might attract some interest too because he’s an “energy” guy and the old timey GMs love that stuff. It’s the Butch Hobson syndrome.

    NK? Again, old timey GMs will be in their war room and someone will say “he has a ring” and that could send it over.

    Opposite George day in the NHL. up was down, day was night, black was white.

  9. Woodguy says:

    Word is Garrison wants $4.0-$4.5MM/yr and Talon not sure he wants him at that price and might trade him.

    I think Garrison is worth that and would trade fluff (Jones, 4th round pick) if Tallon would take it for him and spend the rest of the year trying to extend him and see how he plays on the team.

    Mind you, if he’s available he’s get a 2nd easily.

    FLA has good D, but losing your #1/2 is a giant hole.

  10. Woodguy says:

    Sounds like two Kostitysns in NSH.

    Not sure what’s going back to MTL.

  11. DBO says:

    TSN mentioned Florida wants top 6 guy for Garrison.
    And looks like first deal is Kostitsyn to Nashville. No other details (as per Mackenzie)

  12. regwald says:

    DBO,

    Ryan Jones is a top 6 guy right ? right ? right ?

    Damn !

  13. FPB94 says:

    NOOOOOOOO GOD DAMIT!

    They’l send a good guy for cheap and he’l explode cause they’l actually god damn use him. (Sergei, Andrei, Grabovski, Ribeiro etc).

    He’s like the only guy that openly wants to stay and accept less money and boom, traded away.

    Sc””$( Pierre Gauthier.

    Oh well at least i will enjoy the brother being back together.

  14. Woodguy says:

    regwald:
    DBO,

    Ryan Jones is a top 6 guy right ? right ? right ?

    Damn !

    Yes! Yes he is! Do it Tallon!

  15. FPB94 says:

    WG: He won’t bite. He didn’t draft Jones in the first round. *cough* Skille *cough*

  16. FPB94 says:

    LOL at Button and Crawford. Rewarded for being a shitty scout and a shitty coach.

  17. Traktor says:

    BlacqueJacque:

    The Oilers did what they had to: the signed Hemsky.Now it’s time to bust out the popcorn and browse the Flames section at HF.

    All Edmonton hasve done is make sure they keep a 29th place club together.

    Not a great strategy if that’s all they do.

  18. Traktor says:

    regwald:
    DBO,

    Ryan Jones is a top 6 guy right ? right ? right ?

    Damn !

    On pace for 15 goals, kills penalties, leads Edmonton forwards in blocked shots, 2nd most hits, and he is only -5 with a tough zone start.

    He would be a good pickup for the playoffs.

  19. regwald says:

    Traktor,

    Oh, I totally agree he’s a playoff type addition. But, it’s a stretch to say he’s a top 6 player to meet Tallon’s idea of a swap for Garrison.

  20. pboy says:

    Traktor: On pace for 15 goals, kills penalties, leads Edmonton forwards in blocked shots, 2nd most hits, and he is only -5 with a tough zone start.He would be a good pickup for the playoffs.

    He wouldn’t be a good pick-up, he’d be a GREAT pick-up! Teams should be fighting each other to get this guy. I just hope Tambo doesn’t lose his mind and throw Barker into this deal as well.

  21. LMHF#1 says:

    Looks like a draft pick or two can serve you quite well today. We need to take advantage of that to re-jig the toolkit a little bit. Some interesting guys out there that might only cost us a 2nd.

  22. Traktor says:

    I bet Garrison becomes the next Ballard when he signs long-term for big money. Tallon knows what he is doing.

  23. Traktor says:

    LMHF#1:
    Looks like a draft pick or two can serve you quite well today. We need to take advantage of that to re-jig the toolkit a little bit. Some interesting guys out there that might only cost us a 2nd.

    Like who?

  24. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    I bet Garrison becomes the next Ballard when he signs long-term for big money. Tallon knows what he is doing.

    The fact that he’s coming from the SE division is concerning, but his results in the last two years are impressive.

  25. Smarmy says:

    pboy: He wouldn’t be a good pick-up, he’d be a GREAT pick-up! Teams should be fighting each other to get this guy. I just hope Tambo doesn’t lose his mind and throw Barker into this deal as well.

    I’m not sure why you came to the conclusion that Ryan Jones belongs in the same category as Cam Barker but alright.

  26. LMHF#1 says:

    Traktor

    Wolski, Bishop and Kostitsyn all for not much. A bunch more guys at that sort of level (good but not great, or emerging but blocked-off young guys) around, no? If we move some of our players for picks, then pick for players it might not seem to improve you on paper, but sometimes adding a certain type of part can really make you go. I’d be looking for as Pitkanen-like a defenceman as they can find at a reasonable price, and trying to move some of the lower-end forwards (Jones, Belanger maybe but doubtful, Petrell, etc) and go with a different type of crew down there (but I of course believe in playing your best 12 forwards regardless of type and the team clearly doesn’t).

  27. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    I bet Garrison becomes the next Ballard when he signs long-term for big money. Tallon knows what he is doing.

    Tallon also gave Jovocop a $16.5MM 4 year +35yr old deal and he’s playing 3rd pairing for them in the first year of the deal.

    I wouldn’t auto assume his decision is correct.

  28. pboy says:

    Smarmy: I’m not sure why you came to the conclusion that Ryan Jones belongs in the same category as Cam Barker but alright.

    I’m just trying to pump up their value, you know, in case there are some GM’s reading LT’s site.

    I just hope V.40 doesn’t fuck up and trade Khabi for multiple assets. That might bring a mob with pitchforks down to Rexall.

  29. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    I bet Garrison becomes the next Ballard when he signs long-term for big money. Tallon knows what he is doing.

    I bet you’re just saying that because i like him.

  30. Clay says:

    JorgeR04,

    Gilbert out is scary! Fussy Britches last night:

    Lots of calls on Gilbert and Gagner , #Sharks #Leafs also interested

  31. Traktor says:

    LMHF#1:
    Traktor

    Wolski, Bishop and Kostitsyn all for not much. A bunch more guys at that sort of level (good but not great, or emerging but blocked-off young guys) around, no? If we move some of our players for picks, then pick for players it might not seem to improve you on paper, but sometimes adding a certain type of part can really make you go. I’d be looking for as Pitkanen-like a defenceman as they can find at a reasonable price, and trying to move some of the lower-end forwards (Jones, Belanger maybe but doubtful, Petrell, etc) and go with a different type of crew down there (but I of course believe in playing your best 12 forwards regardless of type and the team clearly doesn’t).

    Bishop would have been a decent bet but not so much the other guys.

    If we can trade for a quality UFA and sign him that would be nice but not likely imo.

  32. ashley says:

    The excitement that is generated on deadline day is now epic. I don’t really understand why when you consider that the majority of deals are pretty fair and amount to balancing out clubs that need to fill holes because of injury or other problems. Perhaps it is the faint hope that your GM is going to absolutely fleece another team for their best player? That blue moon rose and set in August 2006, and not at the trade deadline. Perhaps it is the idea that a single player can somehow revamp an entire club turning them from a contender to a favourite? Does NSH or PHI or TOR getting Rick Nash really make any one of those teams better than what VAN, DET, or STL already are?

    For the maybe 30-40% of trades that seem to have a “winner” and a “loser” like the Pronger one did, perhaps it is prudent to keep in mind that we could easily end up on the loser side of the ledger (see March, 2010 Whitney/Lubo; August 1988 “The trade”). So it would seem that this day should bring more apprehension than excitement. Brain Burke’s famous quote about trade deadline day: “More mistakes are made by GM’s on this day than any other day of the year”.

    Fortunately, we are a 29th place team with all kinds of time after the deadline to add things like a useful defender, two way forwards like Fernando of years gone by, and goalies. All we should be doing is sitting by the phone to see if anyone calls and listen to what they want to offer. If no one calls, then it is already a better trade deadline day than many others we have had around here.

  33. Traktor says:

    Woodguy: Tallon also gave Jovocop a $16.5MM 4 year +35yr olddeal and he’s playing 3rd pairing for them in the first year of the deal.

    I wouldn’t auto assume his decision is correct.

    Jovo bring a lot of things to Florida. He is Florida’s Ryan Smyth.

    If he retires before his deal is up it helps them get to the cap floor. The 35+ argument isn’t valid on budget team.

  34. LMHF#1 says:

    Traktor: Bishop would have been a decent bet but not so much the other guys.

    If we can trade for a quality UFA and sign him that would be nice but not likely imo.

    Today is a day where the inventive can win…unfortunately our crew doesn’t exactly scream inventive to me…

  35. LMHF#1 says:

    Has ANA been ruled out as a playoff team? Lubomir is out there and he’s one of the ideal types for a team with the forward group we have. A young goalie will of course be on our list, but maybe that’s more of a draft day thing? Bernier/Dubnyk splitting games would give us a good look at what we should do next year.

  36. Woodguy says:

    Traktor: Jovo bring a lot of things to Florida. He is Florida’s Ryan Smyth.

    If he retires before his deal is up it helps them get to the cap floor. The 35+ argument isn’t valid on budget team.

    Ryan Smyth won’t be making over $4MM on his next contract.

    Its a bad contract any way you look at it.

  37. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Ryan Smyth won’t be making over $4MM on his next contract.

    Its a bad contract any way you look at it.

    Are you absolutely sure about that?

    It could be argued that the Oilers have overpaid on every signing Tambellini has made.

  38. Traktor says:

    Woodguy: Ryan Smyth won’t be making over $4MM on his next contract.

    Its a bad contract any way you look at it.

    Its a bad contract the way you look at it but clearly Tallon thinks otherwise.

    Florida has over 40M in cap space today and they are winning their division. It appears Tallon knows what he is doing.

  39. DSF says:

    Ryan Rishaug ‏ @TSNRyanRishaug

    According to Brian Burke, no discussions, or interest in Khabibulin at this time. #tradecentre

  40. Bar_Qu says:

    DSF:
    Ryan Rishaug ‏ @TSNRyanRishaug

    According to Brian Burke, no discussions, or interest in Khabibulin at this time. #tradecentre

    Is Burke the Oilers GM now?

  41. jake70 says:

    Peca, Button talking with Reda……they have Landeskog locked up for Calder…..hope 93 rips it up the rest of the way.

  42. Downright Fierce says:

    Waiver news! Subsequent overanalysis! TRADECENTRE!

  43. Ribs says:

    Can’t wait for the Ryan Smyth trade to Columbus at the last possible second of the deadline.

  44. DBO says:

    Is this forward line enough to compete? Shore up goaltending and one more D of course needed, but is this a solid option

    Hall-RNH-Hemsky
    Penner-Gagner-Eberle
    Smyth-Horcoff-MPS
    Eager-Belanger-Jones

    I think that is enough to compete as long as those other issues are dealt with. Penner prob not coming back, I see him going to Anaheim for cheap.

  45. DBO says:

    Commodore traded to Tampa for? according to Kypreos

  46. Smarmy says:

    pboy: I’m just trying to pump up their value, you know, in case there are some GM’s reading LT’s site.

    I just hope V.40 doesn’t fuck up and trade Khabi for multiple assets. That might bring a mob with pitchforks down to Rexall.

    Ah. Good thinking but you forgot Khabibulin.

  47. DSF says:

    Neil Smith ‏ @nycneil

    Tom Gilbert to Minnesota Wild

  48. Ribs says:

    Nick Schultz for Gilbert…

  49. DBO says:

    wtf? gilbert dealt to Wild for shultz. i hate tambellini

  50. DSF says:

    Edmonton Oilers ‏ @NHL_Oilers

    #Oilers acquire defenceman Nick Schultz from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for defenceman Tom Gilbert.

    Fussy Britches called a Gilbert trade.

  51. spoiler says:

    Holy Shit.

  52. oilersfan says:

    well this explains Stauffer’s comments about Gilbert being too similar to Petry and Whitney.

    i don’t think anyone here can or will complain about getting Nick Schultz.

  53. oilersfan says:

    i wonder if this is about the Oilers wanting to draft Ryan Murray? He sounds similar to Gilbert and Petry

  54. Ribs says:

    Well…I guess it’s nice that Gilbert gets to play for his home team….Ugh.

  55. spoiler says:

    I was just going to post how much I enjoy the Trade Deadline because it has distracted the media from the incessant Sidney Crosby Watch (which will be Topic #1 by Wednesday at the latest).

    Now I am not so sure how much I like it.

  56. Clay says:

    Sore back, my ass.

  57. "Steve Smith" says:

    I don’t know much about Nick Schultz, but he must have negative value – I have it on good authority that it would take a second rounder as sweetener to even get a seventh rounder for Gilbert.

  58. spoiler says:

    oilersfan: i wonder if this is about the Oilers wanting to draft Ryan Murray? He sounds similar to Gilbert and Petry

    Similar? Besides the 7-8 years of experience?

  59. LMHF#1 says:

    Don’t get it. Gilbert finally learns how to hit and you deal him? Stupid.

  60. MattM says:

    I actually quite like Nick Schultz, but that’s still a silly trade.

  61. Gerta Rauss says:

    Holy shit-if the TSN panel likes this I’m a little worried.

    What do we know about Schultz?

  62. Downright Fierce says:

    Have to live with it, but more palatable if another D added today or July 1. Hurting for puck movers more than ever. Dammit, Toonces.

  63. DSF says:

    Tracy ‏ @TreenasOil

    Flyers Leafs and Hawks all in on Khabibulin looks like he will be gone

  64. "Steve Smith" says:

    Schultz has the worst RelCorsi among Wild defencemen, and he’s played middling competition. His zonestart sucks, but so do the zonestarts of all of his teammates.

    I don’t think I like this trade.

  65. JorgeR04 says:

    Two successful moves in a row is asking too much for this team. I wonder why we seem to be weak at D…

  66. bookje says:

    Thank God, I was just starting to get some actual work done this morning!

  67. ashley says:

    You wonder if the trade was requested by Gilbert. Maybe he traded himself to Min like Smyth, and the Oil didn’t have a lot of leverage in the deal.

  68. Nicholas says:

    Ffffffuuuuuu….

    Not happy about this – not happy at all.

  69. DBO says:

    Gilbert saying he’s excited to be going home. where he thought he’d finish his career eventually.

  70. SK Oiler Fan says:

    WTF? I love Shultz in his own end, but TSN is selling Gilbert short in his own end. Before his injury he was great in his own end and dropped off a bit in production in the O-end which was ok.

    Gilbert has shown ability to play with almost anyone.

    Looks like a favour being done for Minny – Gilbert is exactly what they need.

    You trade a 2-3 tool D-man to a 1-2 tool Dman – ST is a tool!

    I don’t get it – at all.

  71. Downright Fierce says:

    According to @russostrib, sounds like MIN’s players are choked about losing Schultz and their admin’s pissed that Oilers leaked trade early.

    So that kinda makes me happy.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    Anybody else having problems with capgeek..?…page not found error….

  73. Smarmy says:

    I don’t pay attention to the Wild or Schultz’s play but I’ve always liked the guy. A friend co-worker friend of mine is friend with Schultz and if memory serves me my friend said that with Nick’s first NHL pay cheque he bought a playstation and the NHL game so he could play himself. (Which is probably what I would have done)

  74. Captain Obvious says:

    oilersfan:
    well this explains Stauffer’s comments about Gilbert being too similar to Petry and Whitney.

    i don’t think anyone here can or will complain about getting Nick Schultz.

    I will. Gilbert is far and away the better player. If this is true, typical behaviour. Take one step forward and then turn around and take one step back.

  75. "Steve Smith" says:

    He’s got the second lowest GA/60ON of Wild defencemen, which I can’t imagine has anything to do with his .940 on-ice SV%.

  76. PunjabiOil says:

    Mixed emotions – loved Gilbert. Deal may turn out okay if they get a puckmover in the summer

    Nick Shultz:

    6’1 200 lbs
    LHD
    60 hits
    121 blocked shots

    #1 ES TOI for Minny
    #1 PK TOI for Minny

    This is for the 9th best GA team in the NHL and 9th best GA/G team in the NHL.

  77. Lois Lowe says:

    I am at a loss. I just don’t see how this helps the Oilers long term.

  78. bookje says:

    Zona talked about this last year (hate to give any kudo’s to Zona).
    http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/6/23/2236663/oilers-summer-trade-target-nick-schultz

  79. "Steve Smith" says:

    ashley,

    Possible – the only angle from which I see this making sense.

  80. Traktor says:

    Does this mean the Brown/Gilbert rumor had some truth?

    I would rather have traded for Brown.

  81. DSF says:

    Russo:

    Defenseman Nick Schultz, the Wild’s franchise leader in games played with 743, has been traded to the Edmonton Oilers for Bloomington’s own Tom Gilbert, a puck-moving, offensive defenseman.

    The Oilers made the announcement via Twitter just as the Wild was leaving the ice from practice. Schultz had not yet been informed by the Wild — much to the chagrin of this organization.

    Wild players were shocked when I told them. Kyle Brodziak, a buddy of Gilbert and former teammate, talked about the loss of Schultz and that friendship.

    Cal Clutterbuck literally stopped short in the locker room and was stunned.

    “It’s shocking,” Clutterbuck said, having trouble getting out words. “He’s what this organization is all about. Has been for 10 years.”

  82. fuzzy muppet says:

    Most of you are selling Nick Schultz short as a player. He’s a great leader and has a game very similar to Smid.

    This tells me that the Oilers are taking Murray at 2 (if they don’t win the lottery

  83. Captain Obvious says:

    This is terrible. Gilbert might be the most underrated defenseman in the league. By the numbers, this season Schultz was the fifth best defenseman on one of the worst teams in the league.

    The Oilers went from being one player away to two players in one fell swoop. Simply terrible

  84. Henry says:

    Does Tambi remember what the Oilers looked like in January without Gilbert? Couldn’t get the puck to the forwards with any speed.

    Schultz is fine, but they needed more with this trade. Lots of pressure on Petry now.

  85. Captain Obvious says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    Have you seen his numbers this year. They are dreadful. Middling competition and horrible shot numbers. Calling him the fifth best on the team was charitable. Now he was much, much, better last year but we just traded our best defensemen and one of the best defensemen in the league. You can’t waste talent like that.

  86. fuzzy muppet says:

    It’s essentially a choice.

    Grigorenko and Gilbert

    or

    Murray and Schultz

  87. fuzzy muppet says:

    What’s more concerning to me is the fact that the Organization AGAIN has screwed up the handling of the situation. Now the Wild are pissed at the Oilers.

    Someone in the front office has got to be held accountable for the leak.

  88. spoiler says:

    WHY WOULD WE DO THIS WITH A TEAM IN OUR OWN DIVISION?

  89. DSF says:

    Michael Russo ‏ @Russostrib

    Nick Schultz wasn’t even told by #mnwild that he was traded before #oilers tweeted it. Pretty ticked off organization here

  90. Captain Obvious says:

    fuzzy muppet,

    When you put it that way [referring to likely draft of Murray) you make me want to puke even more. Not only are the Oilers never going to be good, they are never going to make the playoffs. This just proves that even when they do things right they do it right by accident.

    They had no idea what they had in Gilbert and so they gave him away for nearly enough.

  91. spoiler says:

    fuzzy muppet: It’s essentially a choice.Grigorenko and GilbertorMurray and Schultz

    How the hell is that the choice? This isn’t a zero sum dilemma.

  92. russ99 says:

    I like it. Not only for the cap implications (both contracts end in 2014, and Schultz’s hit is half a million less) but also for the makeup of our team.

    Schultz is a quality defenseman in his zone and can support a weaker defenseman, and with Petry’s improvement this year, we have a similar puck mover to Gilbert at a fraction of the cost.

    Gilbert has played better in his end this year than in years previous, but he’d never be mistaken for a player of Schultz’s quality in our end of the ice.

    Fans are clamoring for improvement on defense, this move improves our defense.

  93. commonfan14 says:

    Meh on the leak. If it was the reverse, people would be ripping the Oil management for not geting to Gilbert right after the deal was done.

    Not the Oil’s fault the Wild had the guy practicing while they were shopping him.

  94. "Steve Smith" says:

    russ99: Schultz is a quality defenseman in his zone

    What’s your evidence for this statement?

  95. cabbiesmacker says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    What’s more concerning to me is the fact that the Organization AGAIN has screwed up the handling of the situation.Now the Wild are pissed at the Oilers.
    Someone in the front office has got to be held accountable for the leak.

    Who gives a rats what the Minnesota Wild think really? Once the deals done it’s fair game ffs. I don’t remember any rule regarding having to synchronize the timing of trade announcements with your partners.

  96. spoiler says:

    Sweet Baby Jesus, if the Oil hadn’t tweeted it, Kypreos or Dreger would have.

  97. Smarmy says:

    Oilers can only announce a trade after it’s been okay’d by the league so if the Wild are mad then it’s their own incompetence in dealing a player that was currently in a practice and could have been injured.

  98. Traktor says:

    Qual Comp is a joke. Its probably worse than +/-

    Schultz was playing the tough minutes according to zone starts.

  99. pboy says:

    Myabe Tambo was uncomfortable with the fanbase being happy with his work (Hemsky) this week, so he decided to do something that would make everyone questions his abilities?

    We need to hire a team shrink.

  100. MattM says:

    russ99,

    Gilbert is an all arouind better player than Schultz. Schultz is an excellent guy in his own end, but brings absolutely nothing else in terms of helping possession.

    Schultz is a good player, I would have been pretty happy to see the OIlers take advantage of what looks like a down year on a bad team to acquire someone who could help the PK and cover in his own end, but not at the expense of the guy he could have played with to make a very good pairing.

  101. spoiler says:

    The only thing I can see in this is that Schultz is a left-handed shot, which makes perfect sense to me since ALL of our other defensive type Dmen are too. *shakes head in disbelief*

    Another shoe dropping later today? Has to be.

    I

  102. cabbiesmacker says:

    Quite confident that this is just Captain Ahab setting the table for the imminent Shea Weber presser.

    (cough)

  103. "Steve Smith" says:

    Traktor,

    Everybody on the Wild not named Kurtis Foster (who’s no longer on the Wild) is playing the tough minutes according to zone start. Most of them are doing better than Schultz.

  104. ashley says:

    I don’t think it is as lopsided as it is being made out to be. Perhaps the endowment effect at work.

    Nonethless, it is curious. As Lowetide points out, we need more balance, yet this brings another hard nosed defensive defenceman into the mix. How many of those are necessary? I would submit that the quality puck moving offensive defenceman is a more scarce commodity. We just traded a pretty good one in his prime which makes me think that Tambellini’s hands were somehow tied on this one.

    If Gilbert had requested a trade to MIN, then Tambellini knew that if he decided not to trade him, then he had an asset with zero value after this contract runs out…which will be just when they need to be firing on all cylinders to make a push for a playoff spot. He got something for him.

    If that’s the context, then the deal is more than reasonable. If that is not the context, then the brass has a lot of faith in Whitney’s health over the next few years.

  105. Traktor says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Traktor,

    Everybody on the Wild not named Kurtis Foster (who’s no longer on the Wild) is playing the tough minutes according to zone start.Most of them are doing better than Schultz.

    Interesting.

    Do you also think that winning 40% of draws = winning half?

  106. cabbiesmacker says:

    Can’t believe the best return for a “well-shopped” Gilbert was Nick Schultz. Have to think a team like the Blackhawks with their D issues would have offered more.

    Good trade by Burke to get Ashton.

  107. "Steve Smith" says:

    Traktor,

    No, but I have stopped beating your wife.

  108. spoiler says:

    ashley: I don’t think it is as lopsided as it is being made out to be. Perhaps the endowment effect at work. Nonethless, it is curious. As Lowetide points out, we need more balance, yet this brings another hard nosed defensive defenceman into the mix. How many of those are necessary? I would submit that the quality puck moving offensive defenceman is a more scarce commodity. We just traded a pretty good one in his prime which makes me think that Tambellini’s hands were somehow tied on this one. If Gilbert had requested a trade to MIN, then Tambellini knew that if he decided not to trade him, then he had an asset with zero value after this contract runs out…which will be just when they need to be firing on all cylinders to make a push for a playoff spot. He got something for him. If that’s the context, then the deal is more than reasonable. If that is not the context, then the brass has a lot of faith in Whitney’s health over the next few years.

    A guy who averages 35 PIM and 80 hits a year is not “hard-nosed”. He’s also smaller than Gilbert. He’s a smart in his own end, positional Dman who cannot pass, skate or shoot to the extent that Gilbert can. He has some grit, but so did Gilbert.

  109. MattM says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Schultz isn’t having a great year, but he’s got a pretty good track record as a defensive guy and isn’t that old, so you’d expect him to bounce back a bit. Zona and Willis have both put that up. Ignoring his longer track record and focusing on just this year isn’t a fair way to look at this.

    That said, that moves this from being a disaster to being an explicable but very poor move overall, so, you know, still not a good day here.

  110. Captain Obvious says:

    I repeat this trade is a full blown catastrophe. On good teams Schultz is a #5 while Gilbert is a #2, a #3 at worse. You have to go into full blown tractor rationalization to make this a good deal. It’s not just bad, it’s the worst deal any team will make this deadline.

  111. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Traktor,

    No, but I have stopped beating your wife.

    That doesn’t fit – Traktor did not ask you a ‘loaded’ question. Now, if he said “when did you stop believing that half is equal to 40%?”, your comment would make sense.

    Also, it’s YOUR wife, not Traktors.

  112. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje,

    It wasn’t a loaded question; it was a nonsensical one. I thought I answered in kind. And I don’t have a wife.

  113. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje: That doesn’t fit – Traktor did not ask you a ‘loaded’ question.Now, if he said “when did you stop believing that half is equal to 40%?”,your comment would make sense.
    Also, it’s YOUR wife, not Traktors.

    Beating your wife is just the trendy new way to say ….spankin my monkey.

  114. DBO says:

    pahlsson traded to canucks. Winnich and T.J. galardi traded to san jose form colorado

  115. russ99 says:

    This is also a deal for the future as all our good D prospects are puck-movers except for Teubert. Truth is, we’re not going to get a guy like Suter without moving one of the Kid line so this is kind of deal is how we have to improve our play in our own zone.

    I have to wonder though about this fanbase – all into adding grit for skill up front and totally against it in the back… Unless Corsi says its OK.

    I do agree that we should have gotten a bit more for a player like Gilbert, though.

  116. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Are you absolutely sure about that?

    It could be argued that the Oilers have overpaid on every signing Tambellini has made.

    What does what the Oilers do have to do with my opinion on the Jovo contract?

    I like Shultz, but not for Gilbert.

    Not a good trade.

    RH Dmen on roster – 58 and 44.

    Ugh

  117. "Steve Smith" says:

    russ99: I have to wonder though about this fanbase – all into adding grit for skill up front and totally against it in the back…

    Oh, I’m sure this move will be wildly popular among the fanbase.

    The issue I have with the trade isn’t that Gilbert’s style was better than Schultz’s; it’s that Gilbert’s more effective at his style than Schultz is at his.

  118. Bos8 says:

    Just for consideration

    The Oilers have brought in a mentor for the Klefbom, Marincin entourage. Professional Quiet D. It might not be bells and whistles, the shiney bauble, but it’s establishing a base line. Someone has to ease the kids into the NHL. Teach them the fundamentals. Anyone think Smid couldn’t have used a mentor and cut down his development time by a couple of years.

    The other option is, to scream and shout and run about.

    Two ways of looking at it. Management have lost their collectives minds or there is a reason for their madness.

  119. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bos8,

    Seriously? You’re suggesting that Smid developed slowly because there was nobody in the organization who could tell him how to play defence?

  120. Traktor says:

    Anyone want to trade me 50 dollars for 2 twenties?

  121. "Steve Smith" says:

    Traktor:
    Anyone want to trade me 50 dollars for 2 twenties?

    Check with Steve Tambellini.

  122. Captain Obvious says:

    Bos8,

    They never had minds to begin with. This is all about the supposed need for grit. But this need is imaginary. Grit doesn’t matter any more than size does if it doesn’t include performance. Once you account for performance then grit no longer matters. I’d take six Rafalski’s any day of the week. Now Gilbert isn’t as good as Rafalski but he is better than Schultz.

    Dreadful. Being competitive next year is now off the table.

  123. Schitzo says:

    I’m enjoying Yzerman’s nefarious plan to acquire all the defencemen in the league.

  124. Bos8 says:

    “Steve Smith”: Bos8, Seriously? You’re suggesting that Smid developed slowly because there was nobody in the organization who could tell him how to play defence?

    Yessir, I am.

    That line of thinking goes back to minor hockey.

  125. "Steve Smith" says:

    MattM,

    I had only looked at this year, and you’re right that he looked much better last year. The year before that he played high-medium competition, and had the second worst RelCorsi on the team (with a really tough ZoneStart, but a lower-than-expected ZoneShift).

    You’re right that you have to look at a pattern broader than one year, but I’m not convinced that this year is the anomalous one.

  126. spoiler says:

    Bos8: Just for considerationThe Oilers have brought in a mentor for the Klefbom, Marincin entourage. Professional Quiet D. It might not be bells and whistles, the shiney bauble, but it’s establishing a base line. Someone has to ease the kids into the NHL. Teach them the fundamentals. Anyone think Smid couldn’t have used a mentor and cut down his development time by a couple of years.The other option is, to scream and shout and run about.Two ways of looking at it. Management have lost their collectives minds or there is a reason for their madness.

    Andy Sutton, Ryan Whitney, Gilbert, Smid himself… any could have fulfilled this role.

  127. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    ‘Quick – the top forward signed himself. Trade our capable D before they use the internet’ Oh Tambi.

    Long term, Shultz’s type could be a good compliment for the expected D to be arriving in the next few years. Don’t see why one would trade an all-around D like Gilbert to acquire a solely defensive alternative though – especially at this timeframe. It’s a definite MO of Lowe’s, if a young player of similar ilk is advancing then trade the senior asap.

    Gilbert was playing some fantastic hockey before his injury – it will be a tough loss.

  128. "Steve Smith" says:

    spoiler: Andy Sutton, Ryan Whitney, Gilbert, Smid himself… any could have fulfilled this role.

    Or, um, Steve Smith.

  129. bookje says:

    "Steve Smith":
    bookje,

    It wasn’t a loaded question; it was a nonsensical one.I thought I answered in kind.And I don’t have a wife.

    I thought you were referring to the well established example of a loaded question “When did you stop beating your wife?” See

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

    for more details.

  130. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje,

    Oh, I’m familiar with it, and was certainly alluding to it, but in a thoroughly nonsensical way (combining nonsequitur with a shift in the possessive pronoun). I’m fucking brilliant.

  131. Ducey says:

    Captain Obvious: I repeat this trade is a full blown catastrophe. On good teams Schultz is a #5 while Gilbert is a #2, a #3 at worse. You have to go into full blown tractor rationalization to make this a good deal. It’s not just bad, it’s the worst deal any team will make this deadline.

    Hey Chicken Little, everyone could read your first post. No need to repeat it.

    I am not that familiar with Schultz and I am going to wait for the balance of the season to make a call on this. There has traditionally been quite a difference between the way the Oilers and Wild play. I would expect that Schultz’s offensive numbers will go up here. Maybe he will be exposed as weak defensively or maybe he will stabilize things.

    The Oilers had the worst GA last season and are 21st this season. Gilbert has been a part of that.

    At some point you have to change things. Its not some fantasy league where they can just go out and sign Suter.

  132. spoiler says:

    “Steve Smith”: Or, um, Steve Smith.

    Is that an “own goal”? Lol.

    Sadly, I think his on-ice mentoring days are behind him now.

  133. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    bookje,

    Oh, I’m familiar with it, and was certainly alluding to it, but in a thoroughly nonsensical way (combining nonsequitur with a shift in the possessive pronoun).I’m fucking brilliant.

    Yes, Yes you are, but I fear that the audience stopped listening some time ago – Let’s hope Steve T’ trades somebody soon or this could get boring…

  134. Bos8 says:

    Captain Obvious: Bos8, They never had minds to begin with. This is all about the supposed need for grit. But this need is imaginary. Grit doesn’t matter any more than size does if it doesn’t include performance. Once you account for performance then grit no longer matters. I’d take six Rafalski’s any day of the week. Now Gilbert isn’t as good as Rafalski but he is better than Schultz. Dreadful. Being competitive next year is now off the table.

    It’s not about grit, It’s not as if Shultz has all this size and is able to bang bodies. He is known for good positional defence. That is something the Oiler D lacks top to bottom. Schultz would effectively become the on ice teacher, lead by example. The runaround D that we’ve seen all too often needed addressing and this should help a lot. It’s like the hidden planet theorem, the influence on other bodies.

    Consider Schultz the finishing school. Telling people how to play defence doesn’t pass the reality check.

  135. MattM says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Hey, I’m not arguing in favour of this move, just suggesting that there is some evidence that Schultz doesn’t suck. Finding someone to fill the Schultz role, even if he was more clearly going to be good at it, is still an easier hole to fill than Gilbert.

    At this point I’m hoping the Oilers can pull a similar trade in reverse farther down the roster with Peckham in the Schultz role. Teams love toughness for the playoffs, right? Right?

  136. "Steve Smith" says:

    MattM,

    No, I thought your post was entirely reasonable, and warranted a response.

  137. Bos8 says:

    It’s where stats run into a snag.

    “Hey, Petry is sure looking great”

    “Yep, it’s because Smid lets him”

  138. Captain Obvious says:

    Ducey,

    I agree the Oilers need to change something but they just robbed Peter to pay Paul. Before today, the Oilers had three good D (Gilbert, Smid, Petry), one guy playing surprisingly well (Sutton), and a collection of the worst D in the league (one-legged Whitney, Peckham, Barker, Teubert). Blaming Gilbert for the goals is a classic mistake mismanaged teams do. They blame the best players for the problems of the team instead of the worst players, or the fact that they don’t have enough of their “best” players.

    The best case scenario of this trade is that it ends up treading water. The worst case scenario is that the team is significantly worse. There is no scenario in which this is a win for the Oilers. Even if Schultz plays the best hockey of his career the Oilers still don’t win.

  139. bookje says:

    Just so that everyone knows – LT has a new post with 60 or so comments already about this (in case you have been sitting here refreshing without checking like I have).

  140. DSF says:

    Woodguy: What does what the Oilers do have to do with my opinion on the Jovo contract?

    I like Shultz, but not for Gilbert.

    Not a good trade.

    RH Dmen on roster – 58 and 44.

    Ugh

    You were asserting Tambellini won’t overpay Ryan Smith.

    I wouldn’t assume that to be true.

  141. rickithebear says:

    Gilbert has been a 2.40Ga dman all year. he was historically a 2.99GA dman.except this year with Smid.
    First 2/3 of the season petry facing seconds and was in the 3.15GA
    Last 1/3 facing toughs with smid. GA down to 2.88.
    Petry is what 2.43GA with Smid.
    The glue in those D pairings did not get traded.

    we just traded for a Dman who faced
    lower 1st with a 38% zone start and a 2.22GA the last 5 years.

    Who was the mexico holiday group?
    Could they all be here after 3 years?

  142. Dipstick says:

    Bos8:
    Just for consideration

    The Oilers have brought in a mentor for the Klefbom, Marincin entourage.Professional Quiet D.It might not be bells and whistles, the shiney bauble, but it’s establishing a base line.Someone has to ease the kids into the NHL.Teach them the fundamentals.Anyone think Smid couldn’t have used a mentor and cut down his development time by a couple of years.

    The other option is, to scream and shout and run about.

    Two ways of looking at it.Management have lost their collectives minds or there is a reason for their madness.

    I appreciate the sentiment, but I think that “mentor” is not a prudent use of a roster spot. That type of mentoring should be done in the AHL.

  143. Woodguy says:

    DSF: You were asserting Tambellini won’t overpay Ryan Smith.

    I wouldn’t assume that to be true.

    Right.

    I’m not betting on that, but Tambellini didn’t want him here in the first place.

    Apparently Smyth wants at least two years and Tambellini is offering 1.

    I would do Smyth 1 year at a time, like any other +35 guy.

  144. bill needle says:

    Gilbert is a good dman, but if you look up “easily replaceable” in the dictionary, his picture is right there. His offensive ability plateaued a couple of seasons ago, and defensively, he is only adequate.
    I suspect Schultz is pretty good too. Like refs, the less you notice defensive dmen, the better they likely are.

  145. Lucinius says:

    I’ll say what I said when we traded Vis for Whitney;

    Bad trade made because of a disconnect between player/management/howling masses.

    I.. don’t mind Schultz. Trading Whitney for him makes this a dumb deal.

    The Edmonton Oilers should not be allowed to trade defense-men in hockey trades. They lose every time.

  146. Lowetide says:

    1. Hall
    2. RNH
    3. Eberle
    4. Hemsky
    5. Gagner
    6. Smyth
    7. Horcoff
    8. Belanger
    9. Eager
    10. Paajarvi
    11. Jones
    12. Lander

    1. Smid
    2. Whitney
    3. Schultz
    4. Petry
    5. Sutton
    6. Potter
    7. Peckham

    1. Dubnyk
    2. Khabibulin

    Roster is fairly set. I don’t like the top of the blue, the goaltending and the weird looking middle of the forward group.

    1. Tom Gilbert
    2. Josh Harding
    3. Radek Dvorak 2.0

  147. Lois Lowe says:

    I think we have Dvorak 2.0 in MPS.

  148. Ducey says:

    In thinking about it, there is some similarity between how Tambo describes Schultz and how Steve Staios was in his prime. They are about the same size, both known for great fitness, great character guys, and sort of stay at home guys. Staios got a lot more PIM’s though.

    Staios bounced around before he came to the Oilers at about the same age Schultz is now, and then he really blossomed into a heart and sole guy who could put up 30 pts. Hopefully Schultz can take another step up and do the same.

    I have a soft spot for Staios and Smyth as about 5 years ago my son (who was about 8) had a 9 am practice at Bill Hunter arena. When we got there the Oilers were practicing. The kids all got geared up quickly and then watched the Oilers finish up from the players box. Most of the Oilers pretty much ignored them. Staios stopped and talked to them (all of them were too much in awe to say much) and signed a few sticks and Smyth went by and high fived them all.

  149. Smarmy says:

    rickithebear:
    Gilbert has been a 2.40Ga dman all year. he was historically a2.99GA dman.except this year with Smid.
    First 2/3 of the season petry facing seconds and was in the 3.15GA
    Last 1/3 facing toughs with smid. GA down to 2.88.
    Petry is what 2.43GA with Smid.The glue in those D pairings did not get traded.

    we just traded for a Dman who faced
    lower 1stwith a 38% zone start and a 2.22GA the last 5 years.

    Who was the mexico holiday group?
    Could they all be here after 3 years?

    It seems people don’t enjoy your delivery but I like the effort you put into your posts. You have your own analysis and I think it’s worth discussing, BUT it seems that people want to rabble rabble rabble today so you get drowned out in all the white noise.

    I just wanted to point out I read your thoughts and enjoyed them.

  150. Lowetide says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I think we have Dvorak 2.0 in MPS.

    Maybe. Oilers could help his development imo with a Dvorak/Pisani mentor.

  151. Smarmy says:

    I have little to no emotion invested in the Oilers or the players these days (except Smytty) but I still enjoy the team and I still consider myself a fan. (otherwise why read the blog)

    I have nothing bad to say about Tom Gilbert.

    With Nick Schultz I think the OIlers felt that they needed a little more balance on their back end. (Another Smid like player) I think he’ll be a good player for a team or at least I’m willing to wait and see.

    Everything I’m reading out of Minney today is that they lost a really important piece of what they are as a hockey club. He seems like a great teammate and I’m looking forward to seeing if he brings this to the Oilers.

    So the long and short of it. I’m interested to see what he can do with Edmonton going forward.

  152. Mr DeBakey says:

    The reason why its good that Gilbert was traded is because he didn’t get angry enough about all the losing these past few seasons.

    How do I know this you wonder.

    I heard it on the radio – from a guy who has a daily radio show, and does a spot M-F on another radio show and appears on Oiler TV broadcasts.

    I’ve wondered about this myself – How do you not get angry playing for a team that doesn’t want to win – How do you not go in and ask to be traded to somewhere where they do.

  153. DSF says:

    Lois Lowe:
    I think we have Dvorak 2.0 in MPS.

    That might be just a tad optimistic.

    At Paajarvi’s age, Dvorak has already scored 62 goals and 145 points in the NHL.

    And that was in the dead puck era when the top teams in the league were scoring around 250 goals.

  154. Mr DeBakey says:

    1. Smid
    2. Whitney

    The guy who can’t pivot right is the Oilers number 2 D-man?

    Time to start eying the 2013 draft.

  155. doritogrande says:

    Nice floodway reference LT. We ski on it now. Just don’t make that joke around rural Manitobans, it might get kind of awkward when they reach for their pitchforks.

    And no reference of our grand ol’ Queen? She’s back, didn’t you hear?

    GOilers. I still know where my allegiances lie, Gilbert trade notwithstanding.

  156. spoiler says:

    Only DSF would dispute a Dvorak comp on Dvorak’s offense.

  157. Woodguy says:

    DSF: That might be just a tad optimistic.

    At Paajarvi’s age, Dvorak has already scored 62 goals and 145 points in the NHL.

    And that was in the dead puck era when the top teams in the league were scoring around 250 goals.

    Either you screwed up the math on the points or the years, or you are deliberately lying.

    MPS turns 21 April 12th.

    The season ending when Dvorak turned 21 (March 9) would be 97/98

    He finished that season (his 3rd full NHL season) with career totals 219gp 43 goals 59 assists 102 points.

    Also,

    If you look at MPS’s rookie season, his 19 year old season, he scored 15g,19a 34pts
    The same age season would be Dvorak’s second season, he scored 18g, 21a, 39pts.

    Look pretty close up to that point.

    MPS is off the rails this year, but the coach needs to wear some of that. I think MPS can rebound.

    Not sure if he can with this coach though, Renney scratched him again tonight.

    Why the fuck would you scratch MPS right now?

  158. spoiler says:

    I think the Gilbert trade comes down to Culture Change yet again. Maybe Gilbert doesn’t have the killer instinct mentality. As Mr Debakey said above, maybe he didn’t hate losing enough. I’m grasping at straws here, but that’s all I got.

    I feel even worse when I see what Zanon went for.

  159. Lois Lowe says:

    DSF: That might be just a tad optimistic.

    At Paajarvi’s age, Dvorak has already scored 62 goals and 145 points in the NHL.

    And that was in the dead puck era when the top teams in the league were scoring around 250 goals.

    I think it’s an apt comparison and I think that when MPS hits 300 GP that he could be close to 145 points too.

  160. pboy says:

    Woodguy: Either you screwed up the math on the points or the years, or you are deliberately lying.

    MPS turns 21 April 12th.

    The season ending when Dvorak turned 21 (March 9) would be 97/98

    He finished that season (his 3rd full NHL season) with career totals 219gp43 goals 59 assists102 points.

    Also,

    If you look at MPS’s rookie season, his 19 year old season, he scored 15g,19a 34pts
    The same age season would be Dvorak’s second season, he scored 18g, 21a, 39pts.

    Look pretty close up to that point.

    MPS is off the rails this year, but the coach needs to wear some of that.I think MPS can rebound.

    Not sure if he can with this coach though, Renney scratched him again tonight.

    Why the fuck would you scratch MPS right now?

    This last 3 or 4 games is the best stretch of hockey that Magnus has played all season. Unless he’s physically unable to play (maybe there’s been after effect from the Hartnell cheap shot) there’s no reason why he isn’t in the line-up.

  161. Woodguy says:

    Boys its a good thing the Oilers have Paajarvi in the press box so goddam Petrell and Hordichuck can play on the 4th while Jones plays on the 3rd.

    Just fire Renney now please.

    Please????

  162. Woodguy says:

    pboy: This last 3 or 4 games is the best stretch of hockey that Magnus has played all season. Unless he’s physically unable to play (maybe there’s been after effect from the Hartnell cheap shot) there’s no reason why he isn’t in the line-up.

    Its possible MPS is nicked up.

    Its also possible Renney should be fired.

    Everyone with a PVR, rewind the Wellwood chance. Watch Jones back check, have a look at Kane twice and still not cover him.

    FFS.

  163. stevezie says:

    That ice is slippery tonight, eh?

  164. Gret99zky says:

    Somebody please implant a Corsi rating into my retina because I just don’t see how Horcoff can be considered a good hockey player.

  165. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Boys its a good thing the Oilers have Paajarvi in the press box so goddam Petrell and Hordichuck can play on the 4th while Jones plays on the 3rd.

    Just fire Renney now please.

    Please????

    I am usually slow to jump on the fire the coach bandwagon, but the team seems worse with Renney at the helm.

  166. Lowetide says:

    DRINK!

  167. "Steve Smith" says:

    So I lose track – with the NHLPA’s rejection of the re-alignment plan, does that put the Jets in the Southeast next year too, or does that remain to be seen?

  168. pboy says:

    Lowetide:
    DRINK!

    Lol

  169. striatic says:

    how do you think RNH is doing in this hockey match?

    also, Seattle needs an NHL hockey team, for real guys.

  170. bookje says:

    RNH is sublime with the puck and sees the ice better than any current player in the NHL.

  171. striatic says:

    Woodguy,

    isn’t Pääjarvi in the PB coz they want him AHL playoff eligible and he needed to be off the roster at the deadline?

    or am i wrong about that?

  172. "Steve Smith" says:

    McSorley: The Gilbert trade was good, because Nick Schultz is a prairie boy while Tom Gilbert is from Minnesota.

  173. Lowetide says:

    SE next year I think, SS.

  174. Scottingham says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s entirely possible I misunderstood but Stauffer was saying something about there being a temporary transaction done so Paajarvi was eligible to play for OKC in the playoffs. I’m assuming that’s why he is sitting out tonight… Can’t be in two places at once.

  175. "Steve Smith" says:

    striatic:
    Woodguy,

    isn’t Pääjarvi in the PB coz they want him AHL playoff eligible and he needed to be off the roster at the deadline?

    or am i wrong about that?

    Well, according to the Oilers’ site he’s on the roster now, so I don’t think that’s it.

  176. Woodguy says:

    striatic:
    Woodguy,

    isn’t Pääjarvi in the PB coz they want him AHL playoff eligible and he needed to be off the roster at the deadline?

    or am i wrong about that?

    He’s been on the OKC roster this year, he can go after the NHL season.

    Its a really fast game so I can see why Renney left his fastest player in the PB so Hordichuk and Petrell can play.

    He has 55-10-28 chasing around Kane’s line too.

    Defensively responsible, faster PRV would look out of place there, better put Jones on RW in that spot.

    edit: I think I’m right about the roster thing. Players who haven’t been on the AHL roster have to be on it today to qualify for the playoffs.

    Pretty sure I’m right, but not 100%.

  177. Smarmy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    McSorley: The Gilbert trade was good, because Nick Schultz is a prairie boy while Tom Gilbert is from Minnesota.

    That’s not the reason he said it was a good trade.

  178. Woodguy says:

    Scottingham:
    Woodguy,

    It’sentirely possible I misunderstood but Stauffer was saying something about there being atemporary transaction done so Paajarvi was eligible to play for OKC in the playoffs. I’m assuming that’s why he is sitting out tonight… Can’t be in two places at once.

    If that’s actually it my blood pressure will be happy.

    If not, I’m gonna have an embolism.

  179. "Steve Smith" says:

    Smarmy,

    I’ll admit there was some inference there on my part, in that he never really said why it was a good trade, beyond saying that Schultz was a good addition (which almost everyone here seems to agree about anyway). The only comparison he made between the two players (i.e. the basis on which trades are evaluated) is about where they were from.

  180. Smarmy says:

    He did say where they came from but I recall that he said that Schultz is tough to play against in his own end and a great leader. (but I could be melding all the hockey analysts into one by this point)

  181. hunter1909 says:

    Traktor: All Edmonton hasve done is make sure they keep a 29th place club together.
    Not a great strategy if that’s all they do.

    What exactly do you suggest? Tambellini making a strong push for 22nd?

    On a positive note oilers look better than usual tonight. And the Jets are a cool hockey team, and city.

  182. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Either you screwed up the math on the points or the years, or you are deliberately lying.

    MPS turns 21 April 12th.

    The season ending when Dvorak turned 21 (March 9) would be 97/98

    He finished that season (his 3rd full NHL season) with career totals 219gp43 goals 59 assists102 points.

    Also,

    If you look at MPS’s rookie season, his 19 year old season, he scored 15g,19a 34pts
    The same age season would be Dvorak’s second season, he scored 18g, 21a, 39pts.

    Look pretty close up to that point.

    MPS is off the rails this year, but the coach needs to wear some of that.I think MPS can rebound.

    Not sure if he can with this coach though, Renney scratched him again tonight.

    Why the fuck would you scratch MPS right now?

    Dvorak:

    18 year old season – 13G 14A 27P
    19 year old season – 18G 21A 38P
    20 year old season – 12G 24A 36P
    21 year old season – 19G 24A 43P

    Total – 62G 83A 155P

    Paajarvi:

    20 year old season – 15G 19A 34P
    21 year old season – 2G 6A 8P

    Total – 17G 25A 43P

  183. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909,

    He was advocating selling, not buying. You don’t try to charge up the standings by selling.

  184. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    SE next year I think, SS.

    Yes.

    Apparently too late to change the schedule.

  185. hags9k says:

    “Steve Smith”: Check with Steve Tambellini.

    A rare LOL.

  186. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Dvorak:

    18 year old season – 13G 14A 27P
    19 year old season – 18G 21A 38P
    20 year old season – 12G 24A 36P
    21 year old season – 19G 24A 43P

    Total – 62G 83A 155P

    Paajarvi:

    20 year old season – 15G 19A 34P
    21 year old season –2G 6A 8P

    Total – 17G 25A 43P

    Shit, you might be right.

  187. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s spelled “YOU ARE WRONG”.

  188. "Steve Smith" says:

    I kind of like that Winnipeg’s in the southeast – it’s charming, like having 25% of a league’s teams called the Rough[ ][R/r]iders.

  189. "Steve Smith" says:

    I’ll admit that Jones has looked good tonight.

  190. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Dvorak:

    18 year old season – 13G 14A 27P
    19 year old season – 18G 21A 38P
    20 year old season – 12G 24A 36P
    21 year old season – 19G 24A 43P

    Total – 62G 83A 155P

    Paajarvi:

    20 year old season – 15G 19A 34P
    21 year old season –2G 6A 8P

    Total – 17G 25A 43P

    You are calling 97/98 Dvorak’s 20 year old season. He was 20 at TC and he turned 21 that season in March.

    You are calling 10/11 PRV’s 20 year old season. He was 19 at TC and he turned 20 that season in April.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  191. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woodguy,

    It’s spelled “YOU ARE WRONG”.

    I had to double check.

    He’s trying to twist it to make PRV look worse.

    You know, standard DSF stuff.

  192. Lucinius says:

    Smyth being incredibly lazy there in his own zone. Several times he opted to not even skate towards the puck, forcing another Oiler to go for it and leave their man open.

  193. Woodguy says:

    Rob Tychkowski ‏ @SUN_TYCHKOWSKI

    #Oilers Magnus Paajarvi is at the other end of the press box. I can actually see him developing from here.

  194. hunter1909 says:

    Jets playing good clean shinny; real old timey atmosphere at the game…brilliant!

    Hall getting booed LOL. Jet’s fans know a great hockey player when they see one.

  195. hunter1909 says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    hunter1909,

    He was advocating selling, not buying.You don’t try to charge up the standings by selling.

    Schooled!

    I’m excited about draft day.

  196. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    Well, in fairness, he can have it both ways if he establishes that the date cutoff sometime between Dvorak’s March birthday and Pajaarvi’s April one. That would look a whole let less fishy if it was established before this specific debate, though.

    (And when you’re just comparing two players, especially two with such similar birthdays, there’s really no need to establish a cutoff – just use closeness of fit, which here clearly corresponds to your classification.)

  197. hags9k says:

    I think I’ll have to wait and see on this one. The positives I see are an upgrade in toughness, and character. Possibly a good mentor for the defensive Ds in the system as mentioned. Also it puts miles of open road in front of Petry, and if drafted Murray.

    The downside is that we traded our best all around D for what appears to be by any reasonable estimate a weaker player. (hemmer with a buttersoft on the wall there), The question as I see it is whether it is possible that by trading a better player for a weaker one ST has improved the team by achieving now or in the near future better roster balance?

    I’m not buying it but am trying to figure this out…

  198. godot10 says:

    Renney is a %^$&^$% &$&^$%%^ &$&^%$^& $%^&%$& ^%$^&$&^^!

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