Hemsky!

Ales Hemsky signed a team-friendly 2-year deal this afternoon, meaning he’ll play the better part of a decade with ridiculous value contract (this one and the last one). There should be no argument about dollars or term, this is a very nice contract. If the hockey Gods are paying attention, 83 will rip it up for those two years and cost the moon in 2014 summer.

Via Oilers twitter, Tambellini on Hemsky: “Ales can see the level of skill that’s coming. The type of play we’ve seen lately with him and Hall is exciting.”

Oilers got terrific value here, and all of a sudden the roster looks much better for 2012-13:

  1. Gagner-Hall-Hemsky
  2. RNH-Smyth-Eberle
  3. Belanger-Jones-Paajarvi
  4. Horcoff-Hartikainen-Eager

 

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168 Responses to "Hemsky!"

  1. pmehta says:

    Weir be praised!

  2. stevezie says:

    Does this mean I’m about to lose another excuse for checking the computer instead of doing something productive? That’s wonderful!

  3. DBO says:

    oilers twitter: 2 yrs $10 mill

  4. Smarmy says:

    Well this blog should be happy. Glad to have Hemsky on board for a few more years. Glad to see a good talent eschew free agency and stick with the team. Maybe the culture is a changin’.

  5. Traktor says:

    Great deal by Tambellini. Hemsky could have hit it big via free agency but he obviously wanted to stay with the Oilers.

    Trade Gagner for pitching
    :)

  6. JamesL says:

    Fantastic effin’ news. You could feel this happening in the past couple of days with all those MSM idiots easing off on their Hemsky-bashing. Really goes to show you how “in the pocket” the Edmonton media is with this organization.

  7. cabbiesmacker says:

    Now what do we talk about?

  8. DBO says:

    peckham?

  9. jake70 says:

    Holy cow, did not see this materializing at all. RNH, Eberle, Hall, Hemsky – 4 out of your top 6, not too freakin bad.

  10. godot10 says:

    The square peg is dead. Long live the square peg.

    Outstanding deal.

  11. LP says:

    Fucking A. Excellent news. Very happy to hear this. What was Spec just saying on the team 1260? That he’d be traded?… Why do most MSM wanted to trade him?

    This after Horcoff, Hall publicly came out and said they wanted Hemsky to stay. This has to be very good news for Oilers long-term.

    LT, and other posters, please do not drink and drive tonight.

  12. OilClog says:

    I can’t believe something positive has happened!!

    are we at V3.5 yet?

  13. maudite says:

    Someone plz tell me how Stauffer pulls his foot out of of his mouth and shoves the other one in it.

  14. Smarmy says:

    OilClog:
    I can’t believe something positive has happened!!

    are we at V3.5 yet?

    He might be on a new version all together. If he extends Smyth and traded Khabby for a defenseman then I think he’s full blown 4.0

  15. CrazyCoach says:

    stevezie: Does this mean I’m about to lose another excuse for checking the computer instead of doing something productive?

    I’m still at work and should have gone home 40 minutes ago, but am reading the Twitter feed.

    AWESOME DEAL! Thank you Ales!

  16. stevezie says:

    I’m just so happy.

  17. Lowetide says:

    Woo hoo! Nice. I’m having a beer, and THEN I’M HAVING ANOTHER ONE!

  18. OilClog says:

    Only thing I can see moving between now and Monday are the prospects, picks, and Both Khabs, and Barker if there is atleast one hockey god not wishing us doom… seems there might be one!

    Wooooo Hemmer.

  19. ohhell says:

    CrazyCoach: I’m still at work and should have gone home 40 minutes ago, but am reading the Twitter feed.

    AWESOME DEAL! Thank you Ales!

    Me too! Happy days!

  20. DBO says:

    So forwards if Smyth resigns:

    Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
    Smyth-Nuge-Eberle
    MPS-Horcoff-Forsberg? (if Oil pick 3rd or 4th)/Omark/Harsky
    Eager-Belanger-Jones

    Makes me think he won’t move Bulin since he thinks Bulin is a playoff goalie and they aren’t sold Dubnyk can get us there. I think that’s wrong, and hope he gets something for Bulin.

  21. Bar_Qu says:

    I am very happy that so many of us are so very wrong about what happened. (years of marriage have allowed me this excitement over being wrong – a state I am very used to)

  22. Downright Fierce says:

    Very exciting news. Refreshing, too. Good on the Org & moreso on Hemmer. Swallowing a 2-year when a 3-year was probably just within reach, not to mention the fat payday he’s passing up on July 1.

    Thrilled to have the Prince of Pardubice in Oilers silks for another two years.

  23. LMHF#1 says:

    Wooooooooooooo…that is all :)

  24. skidplate says:

    Excellent deal for the Oilers!!
    I am very surprised Hemsky signed for only 2 years. You know some GM would have given him 4 or more on July 1st.
    Is this a turning point for the Oilers? Some people have complained about the Sutton signing, and I am sure there will be some complaining about this signing, but if we have experienced NHL players wanting to sign in Edmonton, that is very refreshing!!!

    Thank you Hemsky and Tambollini!!!

  25. delooper says:

    Somehow the Flames twitter feed announced the Hemsky contract, calling the contract “a joke”. See the PuckDaddy blog.

  26. russ99 says:

    Sweet. Ales is way too good a player to sell for pennies on the dollar.

    Hopefully Tambi isn’t done and can capitalize on those Khabibulin rumors.

  27. hunter1909 says:

    Good to see my blind faith re: Hemsky of late paying off.

    The kicker for me was last night when found out the young players all wanted him to stay on the team – exactly what everyone wants.

    If they play him with the kids, he’s going to shine.

  28. DBO says:

    TSN thinks Oil overpaid. At least Dreger mentioned “body of work”.

  29. Bar_Qu says:

    Best part is the chittering masses on the tsn comment page don’t like the signing. Anything that upsets them is a good thing in my books.

  30. hunter1909 says:

    jake70:
    Holy cow, did not see this materializing at all. RNH, Eberle, Hall, Hemsky – 4 out of your top 6, not too freakin bad.

    Don’t forget to add: Yakupov/ Grigorenko : p

  31. DBO says:

    And LeBrun saying Oil and Toronto have talked about Bulin.

  32. nathan says:

    Lowetide,

    Odds are you won’t end up with the same hangover:

    Lowetide: “Stauffer on the Team 1260 is saying 6 years/33 million for a 5.5 million per season cap hit.
    I’m having a beer, and then I’m having another one”.

  33. hunter1909 says:

    delooper:
    Somehow the Flames twitter feed announced the Hemsky contract, calling the contract “a joke”.See the PuckDaddy blog.

    Gee – the Flames who got whipped 6-1 at home this week by this 29th placed team, calling out the oilers – what a surprise.

  34. copperblueandwhite says:

    Lowetide,

    This is simply fantastic news….I am blown away by this…YAHOOOOO!

  35. PDO says:

    I’m shocked Hemsky signed that. Shocked.

    WHOOO!

  36. delooper says:

    The Flames are kind of a “Mickey Mouse organization.”

  37. rich says:

    This is great news. As McKenzie said, the Oilers had no one in the system to replace Hemsky. They made the right choice to sign and hopefully he continues to play with Hall.

    And I would not be surprised if 3.2 is not done yet (beyond re-signing Smyth). He does that, and he will be 4.0.

  38. Rondo says:

    LT,

    Does this mean Hemsky won’t be traded?

  39. DBO says:

    So now on to the D and goalie. Sign Smyth (I expect that this weekend).

    2 year run people. 2 year run, need a better dman, forwards are essentially set (with the draft pick if it’s a forward). I wonder if they’ll move one of the 4 promising young dmen and a pick for a better dman to add to the team for the next 2 years.

  40. PDO says:

    Traktor:
    Great deal by Tambellini. Hemsky could have hit it big via free agency but he obviously wanted to stay with the Oilers.

    Trade Gagner for pitching

    Depends on what kind of pitching you can get for him, and where we’re drafting. Grigorenko makes things interesting… if it’s Ryan Murray, not so much.

    Also depends on if Fussy Britches nailed the Omark/Bernier talk, and if there’s anything to Khabibulin/Franson.

    The Oiler’s need a magic beans for a real D trade a lot more than they need to trade some hitting for pitching though. As it stands, they have a real nice top 5 F… cutting away from that doesn’t really help things.

  41. cabbiesmacker says:

    Would I be a downer if I said “Sign and Trade”?????

    Har.

  42. bill needle says:

    Signing a $5M/season deal in late February with only 26 points in 46 games makes it look like Hemsky’s the only one who got a “ridiculous value contract.”

  43. bookje says:

    Word eating session for all who called Tambellini an idiot over the Hemsky issue at 6:20 in room D.

  44. nathan says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    No. Trade value is way up. Before signing you add to get Brown. After signing LA has to add to Brown.

    We’ll see what the trade restrictions are. But it’s unlikely he’s going anywhere this season.

  45. bookje says:

    bookje:
    Word eating session for all who called Tambellini an idiot over the Hemsky issue at 6:20 in room D.

    That is, unless you don’t think Hemsky at 2 for $5 in which case I suspect you are always eating your words but are not aware of it.

  46. DBO says:

    A buddy and I were discussing the fuzzy britches idea. Wonder if the Kings wanted to do more if you could move Peckham/Barker, Omark and a 2nd for Bernier and Penner (to clear salary for another Kings move). You then flip Penner and Bulin to Toronto for Franson, and maybe a pick. Kills me , but the MSM seem to think Bulin has value. But like I mentioned earlier, I think this almost guarantees Bulin stays since Tambellini will be going for playoffs next year. For real this time.

  47. jb says:

    It was only a matter of time.. I hope this discredits the majority of the MSM. It was tiring watching those idiots flip-flop and bash Hemsky like that.

    As I’ve been saying all along, it was far more likely Hemsky re-signs. Always was based off the facts. What do I know though? lol ;)

  48. stevezie says:

    bookje,

    In my defence I only ever said Tambellini looked like an idiot, I always maintained that it was his results he would ultimately be judged on. So while I would have preferred 3 for 15… other Steve knocked this one out of the park and has earned a little faith for next time. He sure showed me.

  49. copperblueandwhite says:

    I cannot believe the nonsense from Marty McSorehead and Dumian Cox saying Oilers paid way too much…blah blah blah…that’s where the word eating session will be…

  50. steveb12344 says:

    I think Hemsky should be applauded for “taking one for the team” It would be nice to see him acknowedged by the fans at the next home game.

    This really could be a turning point for Tambo, and the org. As others have noted already, you can’t underestimate the importance of maintaining the culture in the locker room, and showing the kids that you can keep the team together, and work towards turning this into something special.

    Oh yeah, and….WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

  51. LP says:

    delooper:
    The Flames are kind of a “Mickey Mouse organization.”

    As much as I loath the flames, let’s not forget what the Oilers management have done in the past 20 years. Micky Mouse? Ya they’ll be struggling going forward.

    But Edmonton has done made some pretty shitty decisions too…

  52. Lowetide says:

    Rondo:
    LT,

    Does this mean Hemsky won’t be traded?

    Unlikely for the next 12 months. After that, who knows? Oilers need to show something in 12-13. Of course I’ve been saying that since 2007.

  53. bill needle says:

    So when do the 2013 draft prospect previews begin?

  54. stevezie says:

    copperblueandwhite,

    Really? I am thrilled to death that both Cox and Siimmons hate this deal.

  55. Lowetide says:

    Needle isn’t working Bill. Try something bigger.

  56. DSF says:

    Mark Spector Sports ‏ @SportsnetSpec

    Hemsky deal includes neither a no-move or no-trade. That means freedom for #Oilers to move at end of deal. #SNTrade

  57. delooper says:

    William the Cattle Prod

  58. Lowetide says:

    Playing with Hall for the next 2 seasons, I imagine Hemsky will either:

    1. Earn a big contract extension
    2. Have better trade value then than he does now.

  59. Woodguy says:

    The best part of this is that Slipper owes me money.

    *paging Mr. Slipper, Mr. Slipper a call for you on the white courtesy phone”

    Also,

    Marc Spector said on Gregor’s show (in regards to 2 years $10MM), “No way Hemsky signs that deal”.

    Given the amount the grief he gives Jonathan about “not being at the games, and in the locker room”, I think everyone who is inclined should ask him how he whiffed so bad since he’s “at the games, and in the locker room”

    I’m not one to pile on, but his douchery is a special case.

    Also,

    Regardless of how this happened, the bottom line is that Tambellini signed a very good player to a very good contract.

    Well done v4.0!

  60. Henry says:

    steveb12344:
    I think Hemsky should be applauded for “taking one for the team”It would be nice to see him acknowedged by the fans at the next home game.

    This really could be a turning point for Tambo, and the org. As others have noted already, you can’t underestimate the importance of maintaining the culture in the locker room, and showing the kids that you can keep the team together, and work towards turning this into something special.

    Oh yeah, and….WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

    I agree in every respect. Tambellini’s brinkmanship and silence shows more negotiating prowess than I gave him credit for. Hemsky gave up some dollars and security to stick with the Oilers. I give this guy a lot of credit.

    The top two lines are going to put huge amounts of pressure on defences. Two years from now they will be very very good.

  61. steveb12344 says:

    I can’t resist, My fave Hemsky highlight video. It seems appropriate about now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sh6ALwzchY

  62. Traktor says:

    PDO:

    I think I might take Ryan Murray over the Russian’s at this point. Or at least consider it.

    BPA works with the assumption that you can makes trades at a later time to address needs but that is easier said than done when trying to acquire elite talent at a certain position via trade.

  63. DBO says:

    Henry: they are very very good right now. In two years they will be exceptional.

  64. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    Woo hoo! Nice. I’m having a beer, and THEN I’M HAVING ANOTHER ONE!

    Enjoy that beer, lol.

    Any word on MPS? Sounds bad if there isn’t, on the other hand maybe he’s fine so will just suit up next game, whenever that is.

    It might be a good idea to put MPS back in the AHL. A player like that needs a few dozen games to get his North American bearings. MPS is going to be a very good player(imo he already shows grreat defence), but unless he learns how to deal with the rough stuff a whole lot more his NHL career is in big trouble.

    A THOUGHT: HALL RNH EBERLE
    YAKUPOV GAGNER HEMSKY

    yipes!

  65. gogliano says:

    Great news. 2 year term is perfect–significant flexibility going forward and if he explodes playing with Grigorenko and our #1 pick in 2013 then he’ll be worth a lot more 2 years from now. For a player who is oft-injured, getting him to ink for two years is a significant accomplishment for Tambs.

    The Oilers clearly had the cap space for the two years so it is also good to hear that they recognize the value that Hemsky brings to the team and are looking to keep players who can help them win now.

    As LT mentioned, Hemsky has to be thinking about the possibility of playing with Hall/RNH/etc. over the next two years and what it might do for his next contract.

  66. Rebilled says:

    bill needle,

    YouTube has a bunch of MacKinnon highlights, one vs. Grigorenko…

  67. russ99 says:

    As LT mentioned, Hemsky has to be thinking about the possibility of playing with Hall/RNH/etc. over the next two years and what it might do for his next contract.

    Also if the labor deal does include the buyout/amnesty provision and he’s free of the Horcoff shackles…

  68. DBO says:

    Tambellin has said he has made an offer to Smyth. Waiting on him

  69. bill needle says:

    I just hope Hemsky didn’t re-injure his shoulder reaching for the pen to sign that contract. It’d be the quickest move he’s made all season.

  70. DSF says:

    Staples has this roundup of Tweets from hockey “experts”

    David Shoalts, Globe and Mail: “Has The Riddler or The Joke been seen lately at Edmonton Oilers HQ with cannisters of stupid gas?”

    Scott Burnside of ESPN: “Ales Hemsky; two years $10 million just goes to show you $10 million doesn’t get you too far these days in the NHL does it?”

    Dennis Berstein, the Fourth Period: “NHL math theory Hemsky = 5M/yr then PA Parenteau =7.5M and then Dustin Brown = 10M.”

    Brian Hayes of TSN: “Hemsky is a perfect example of a guy who’s living off of past achievements. Could get back on track, but not worth that money until he does.”

    @rcamcole (Cam Cole of the Vancouver Sun): Break out the wrap-around sleeves. Team’s gone mad @NHL_Oilers: #Oilers have agreed to terms with RW Ales Hemsky. 2 years $10 million.

    @DarrenDreger: Oilers management sees Hemsky as a big game player. He’s healthy and pts per game is very solid. Hemsky wants to be part of the solution.

    @tsnjamesduthie: Hemsky agrees to 2y 10million deal with Oilers. #amillionagoalrightnow

  71. sliderule says:

    This is an example of a good deal for both sides.

    Hemsky stays home and gets about the same he would have got as U FA per year but shorter term.If he performs with golden ones he will get another good deal at age 30.

    Oil keep fans happy and help bridge the gap until golden ones can totally take over.

  72. TemujinBC says:

    Hemsky is on pace for 9 goals. And yet, $5 mill doesn’t seem like an overpay.

    I’d bet there are a lot of happy Oilers in that dressing room tomorrow night.

  73. Smarmy says:

    Bill Needle!

  74. nelson88 says:

    Great result for all involved. Glad they got it done.

    LT; I know you and others have commented in the past that the first contract was some smoking hot value for the Oilers and it has become the conventional wisdom around here. How do you figure?

    If you take both Hemsky’s expiring contract and Penners and make an educated guess of how they end 2012 stats wise you end up between $95,000 and $100,000/point. Do you think the Oilers/Kings got a ridiculous value contract with Penner?

  75. PDO says:

    Hey, remember in 2006, when we gave away Pronger because his wife hated it here?

    Well it’s 2012 now, and we just had our best player take a home town discount because his hometown GF doesn’t want to move, and we have two real assets from that trade.

    Took god damn long enough to see some positive news from this, but I’d say we’re finally seeing it.

  76. jake70 says:

    The pro-trade camp’s major concern, rightly so, was the injury history. For me, the concern was not so much the health but Hemksy having chemistry with other high end players. I wondered if anyone could click with his style. I like him with Hall, and maybe 91 can mesh as well. It’s subtle but it appears from games I have watched lately, Hemsky;s game is changing to allow him some better chemistry with these players (not trying to do it all himsefl). He appears to be attempting more shots also, which should in theory open up some ice for him.

  77. Woodguy says:

    bill needle:
    I just hope Hemsky didn’t re-injure his shoulder reaching for the pen to sign that contract. It’d be the quickest move he’s made all season.

    He’s on pace to play 70 games this year.

  78. Henry says:

    DSF:
    Staples has this roundup of Tweets from hockey “experts”

    David Shoalts, Globe and Mail: “Has The Riddler or The Joke been seen lately at Edmonton Oilers HQ with cannisters of stupid gas?”

    Scott Burnside of ESPN: “Ales Hemsky; two years $10 million just goes to show you $10 million doesn’t get you too far these days in the NHL does it?”

    Dennis Berstein, the Fourth Period: “NHL math theory Hemsky = 5M/yr then PA Parenteau =7.5M and then Dustin Brown = 10M.”

    Brian Hayes of TSN: “Hemsky is a perfect example of a guy who’s living off of past achievements. Could get back on track, but not worth that money until he does.”

    @rcamcole (Cam Cole of the Vancouver Sun): Break out the wrap-around sleeves. Team’s gone mad @NHL_Oilers: #Oilers have agreed to terms with RW Ales Hemsky. 2 years $10 million.

    @DarrenDreger: Oilers management sees Hemsky as a big game player. He’s healthy and pts per game is very solid. Hemsky wants to be part of the solution.

    @tsnjamesduthie: Hemsky agrees to 2y 10million deal with Oilers. #amillionagoalrightnow

    I wonder what Ray Ferraro is thinking or saying. He’s seen Hemsky play a lot and knows the game. I bet he likes the deal.

  79. PDO says:

    Oiler trade bait for Monday:

    Khabi
    Omark
    Jones
    Belanger
    Peckham

    Think that’s it? Maybe Hordichuk/Barker if someone is feeling like giving up a 7th?

    Draft is a different story, as Traktor already pointed out.

  80. Woodguy says:

    DSF:
    Staples has this roundup of Tweets from hockey “experts”

    David Shoalts, Globe and Mail: “Has The Riddler or The Joke been seen lately at Edmonton Oilers HQ with cannisters of stupid gas?”

    Scott Burnside of ESPN: “Ales Hemsky; two years $10 million just goes to show you $10 million doesn’t get you too far these days in the NHL does it?”

    Dennis Berstein, the Fourth Period: “NHL math theory Hemsky = 5M/yr then PA Parenteau =7.5M and then Dustin Brown = 10M.”

    Brian Hayes of TSN: “Hemsky is a perfect example of a guy who’s living off of past achievements. Could get back on track, but not worth that money until he does.”

    @rcamcole (Cam Cole of the Vancouver Sun): Break out the wrap-around sleeves. Team’s gone mad @NHL_Oilers: #Oilers have agreed to terms with RW Ales Hemsky. 2 years $10 million.

    @DarrenDreger: Oilers management sees Hemsky as a big game player. He’s healthy and pts per game is very solid. Hemsky wants to be part of the solution.

    @tsnjamesduthie: Hemsky agrees to 2y 10million deal with Oilers. #amillionagoalrightnow

    Thanks for that.

    A very good example of the “experts” really not having a clue.

  81. godot10 says:

    Next summer, after the new CBA and new cap limit, Tambellini can sit down Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, and Hemsky in a room and offer them all the same deal (or basically the same deal). Hemsky might get a little less term, but a touch more dollars. It could make the negotiation a lot easier. Do the R.E.M. or Radiohead thing. Divide up the pie equally.

    Sort of like Stan Bowman did with Keith, Kane, and Toews.

  82. Lucinius says:

    Wish I could find the quote, but I remember back in ’09 (or was it ’10?) where a CBC segment had a bunch of hockey players (including a quote from Gretzky) calling Hemsky one of the most under appreciated players in the game by the media.

    He isn’t a media guy. He’s not a scorer, often shuns the media, has the injury issue and plays in Edmonton and spent mos of his career on a bad Edmonton Oiler team at that.

    Anyone who thinks this is a bad deal quite simply doesn’t know hockey in the modern era.

    There is no way you can replace what Hemsky does on this team for less, or equal pay, at similar term without risking a flop. We know who and what Hemsky is. We know how he fits in with the team chemistry and locker room. We know he works with Hall. And most of all, he wants to stay here (as proven by taking a deal he had no other reason to take, imo).

    Its a fantastic deal and while I wish it was longer term I’m pretty stoked about it.

    Now we can only hope he stays healthy next season (if he plays 75 games next year it’ll probably lead to his best offensive season ever.. that many games played and on a much better team — offensively, at least, than he’s had since he played that many).

  83. Chunklets says:

    hunter1909,

    According to a tweet by Tencer earlier today, MPS skated at practise today and looked fine. I’ve read somewhere that he’s expected to play tomorrow.

  84. ashley says:

    Great news. Another feather Tambellini’s cap. This has Smid value written all over it. I wish it were 3 years @ 5.

    I’m surprised by those tweets. I don’t follow any of those guys too closely, and I don’t have twitter, but their opinions suggest that maybe they are just looking at this year’s boxcars and actually haven’t seen Hemsky play? Hemsky is giving up a significant free agent opportunity and more importantly security, so he needs some compensation for that. The contract shows that he has a lot of confidence in his health unlike the rest of the league which seems to think he is glass.

    I like Hemsky as much as all of you. I’ve met him many times. We’ve had our share of conversations dating right back to when he was a rookie. I would confidently say that all the “attitude, bad body language” commentary that floats around shows a real misunderstanding of Ales. He is a real down to earth, insightful guy, but wears his emotions on his sleeve. He’s also a fierce competitor. That look of disgust you see on his face after a missed offensive opportunity where he didn’t get the puck? That’s not him upset with his teammates as it is often interpreted. That’s more likely him upset with himself for not getting it done on his shift. He wants to win. He knows he’s got the goods to make things happen. And he wants to be in Edmonton!

    Hat tip to #83 today.

  85. gogliano says:

    I think the media has always been a lot slower when it comes to Edmonton. I mean, generally, I don’t trust their judgment but I also think Edmonton is so off of the radar of people in the center of universe or in THE WORLD’S MOST BEAUTIFUL CITY, ISN’T IT BEAUTIFUL??!!one1! so the media there simply don’t have a clue about Edmonton players. Outside of Edmonton, Ethan Moreau was still a clutch player well after he was responsible for 20-30 losses a season.

    Hemsky is about a .8 ppg player. You have to pay $5 million for that if you’re buying UFA years.
    Fantastic news.

  86. Lowetide says:

    Thanks Chunklets, I knew that I’d read something somewhere but it was a crazy day.

  87. stevezie says:

    Brian Hayes of TSN: “Hemsky is a perfect example of a guy who’s living off of past achievements. Could get back on track, but not worth that money until he does.”

    This one’s true, actually. I just think it’s a good bet that he does, and if he doesn’t we can still trade him. The “experts” problem is they’re looking at this in a vacuum. “Would I give this guy that much? No.” The needs of the Canes and the Oil are not the same as the needs of the Leafs or the Rangers. As Rutherford said, “It doesn’t make sense to trade anyone you can’t replace.” (paraphrasing.)

    Maybe great signing is pushing it. I think it’s a good signing, and it’s incredibly great that it happened. I hope it leads to our core R.E.M-ing it, but that’s for another day.

    There was at least one east-coast expert who liked the deal: Puck Daddy outlined all the reasons this was a solid signing.

  88. PunjabiOil says:

    I pay nominal attention to what the main-stream media thinks. Twitter has just delivered a channel for them to display how out of touch with reality they are. I mean, you have Terry Jones today suggesting the NHLPA wouldn’t be happy about Hemsky taking a discount. Really? REALLY? Such a statement would have been apt pre-2005 CBA. 7 years too late. Then you have Jason ”YOU ARE WRONG” Gregor who didn’t know until 4 years into the new CBA that the cap hit is based on average salary, not actual salary. Combined with their fetish for grit and no desire to look into advanced statistics – it’s not surprising why bloggers are rapidly taking away market share.

    The boxcar fan (BCF) will look at goals, assists, and points and perform a simple analysis based on that. Most members of the media and fans general are like this. So what they think is highly irrelevant.

    As for the signing – I echo Lowetide’s comment ”I’m having a beer and then I’m having another one.” Trading Hemsky would have been a step back for the organization, and a move poor teams tend to make. There was no replacement internally, and odds of landing a replacement externally would be less cost effective. It’s always a great feeling when a good player is willing to take a hometown discount, and perhaps the bigger news is this signing symbolizes the organization will be more active this summer in improving the team and winning hockey games.

  89. Schitzo says:

    I’ve been very critical of Tambo up until now, but huge credit for this one. I have to admit, he has a hell of a poker face. I have no idea if he’s a genius or just winging it, but I’ll admit that negotiating against that blank stare would be a challenge :)

  90. Chunklets says:

    Lowetide:
    Thanks Chunklets, I knew that I’d read something somewhere but it was a crazy day.

    It certainly was that, although a good one for our poor ol’ hockey franchise!

  91. pboy says:

    That’s a fantastic deal for the Oilers. Tambo V.035 did pretty well here.

  92. Gret99zky says:

    I said I would be shocked if Hemsky signed anything less than 4 years.

    I am shocked!

    I credit both Hemsky and Tambi for doing what is best for the team.

  93. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s great news.

    side note-have we ever seen Bill Needle and Art Vandelay in the same room together..?

    They are both much funnier on television.

  94. Wolfie says:

    I have tickets to the Monday game when the Oilers come to visit the Jets. I was hoping beyond hope that Hemsky wouldn’t be gone on deadline day.

    For once the Oilers haven’t robbed Peter to pay Paul. Keeping the scoring depth and looking for other solutions to bolster the roster signals that the tank is over. The results this year don’t particularly matter but there are less question marks today about next year’s roster then there was a few hours ago.

  95. Schitzo says:

    Both sides are in a good position if Hemsky stays healthy over this deal – he’ll be 30, and we could look at a retirement-type contract at that point – something like 21 over six years, structured 6-5-4-3-2-1.

  96. uberdoodles says:

    Hey Lowetide. Long time reader, first time poster. I’m really glad your instincts were wrong on this one!

  97. Lowetide says:

    uberdoodles:
    Hey Lowetide. Long time reader, first time poster. I’m really glad your instincts were wrong on this one!

    Me too. I think this–along with Smyth’s return–are a nice bookend to drafting the kids. Building via actual NHL players and they got one signed today. A very good one.

  98. DeadmanWaking says:

    This contract makes more sense than I thought possible. Hemmer could be on the brink of a breakout season with the talent around him. The timing is good with respect to the CBA on Hemmer’s side and RFA realities on the team’s side. The short term of his contract insulates him from becoming the next Wade Redden if his shoulders give out. I never understood athletes pricing themselves right into the pulping machine. Sure you rack up maximum coin, but do you feel good about wearing the DiPietro smirk? He’s the only one who can really assess his body. It makes sense for him to in-source that risk if he has a good sense of it. With 1A/1B PP options shaping up, opposition liberties will be on the wane. If he piles up the points for two full seasons, then blows the shoulder out in the last month of this deal, the Oilers owe him a moderate overpay on a discount continuation.

    Hemmer needs to make one big adjustment to his game: he’s enough talent around him that he doesn’t need to do it all himself. The worst shovel pass known to man is good enough for a quick one-touch by the Nuge. Hemmer has to get over worrying about the ugly move. Not grease in the crease so much as grease between the feet. Some Japanese Go players will nearly walk out of the room if the opponent makes an effective yet ugly move. Beauty is nice, but so are results.

  99. Clay says:

    DSF,

    Here’s to hoping Hemmer gets 85 points next year and makes all the “experts” look foolish.

    Tambo wins the Hemsky sweepstakes. Many have said it, but it’s worth repeating – Hemsky for two years at what amounts to a discount contract is miles and miles ahead of anything they could’ve gotten for him via trade.

    I’ve been thinking he was gone since he broke camp without a contract. Glad I was wrong. Stay healthy, bud!

  100. Gret99zky says:

    Now that Hemmer has been signed I can now focus my attention on the Flames missing the playoffs by 3 points and the Canucks going out in the first round.

    Please forward all my calls to the universe c/o the Hockey Gods.

  101. sliderule says:

    Gregorenko with three goals and assist .

    Don’t believe all the bs about taking nights off etc.

    Think of 2011 where we heard about Halls dad interfering and how Seguin was soft.

    All totally crap!

  102. fuzzy muppet says:

    *slow clap*

    Now go MAKE it a value contract

  103. Lucinius says:

    Just watched the Hemsky availability presser after he signed. A lot of good stuff. Signed the two year deal in part because he knows his year hasn’t been great, etc., and just wanting to stay.

    He’s gotten a lot better at talking to the media. He used to be horrendous when he had to deal with them.

  104. Henry says:

    Tambellini seemed a lot more comfortable with the media too. Maybe everybody in the room was happy about the deal.

    Very pleased. Luongo is not going to like this deal..

  105. regwald says:

    Clap, clap, clap ! This news made me very, very happy ! Great stuff !

    Cheers Hemsky ! Cheers LT !

    Two more years of exciting hockey ! Hope he tears up the Yotes tomorrow afternoon to celebrate !!!

  106. hunter1909 says:

    Chunklets: According to a tweet by Tencer earlier today, MPS skated at practise today and looked fine. I’ve read somewhere that he’s expected to play tomorrow.

    That’s very very good news. I’d still want to stick him in the AHL for the rest of the season, to teach him about playing in NA at a level he can star(get confidence) in.

    What’s staggeringly different this season? The times oiler’s have taken the game to some of the better teams in the NHL(Flames don’t count). They’re like an excellent young team, still in the learning process, but dang do they ever resemble the dynasty when they cross the blue line.

  107. oilersfan says:

    The article in the last thread about Grigorenko not having passion is food for thought. Is this the next Malkin or the next Filatov? The next Datsyuk or the next Zherdev? It is more complicated by him having a high ankle sprain as we know those can take months to fully heal.

    Maybe it is best if the Oilers pick third so they aren’t tempted to pock Grigs. Now we have to figure out who is best netween Ryan Murray, Dumba and Reinhart. I can’t remember a draft with such bad forwards.

    As for Hemsky,, fantastic news. I think we here who appreciate Hemsky should appreciate what Gregor did to make some noise to keep Hemsky. Not sure if he made a difference but it seemed to help turn the tide when he got on the sign Hemsky bandwagon.

    Ashley if you read this, what are the prospects for Whitney to play at this current level without a high ridk of reiinjuring his ankle?

    Happy to have Hemsky!

  108. oilersfan says:

    Marincin with a three point night tonight, he now has 18 in 19 games with Regina. Back on track.
    Lowetide would you look into getting one of the Regina coaches or the play by play guy to talk about Marincin and Davidson? Marincin had a good start with Regina, a slow few games, then has been on fire. Not sure but about 10 points in his last 6 or 7 games. I would love to hear how he looks, if he is still playing 30 minutes a night like he was in PG, if he looks ready to take the next step to the AHL, and if he appears like he is a legit NHL prospect like some other Pats (eberle especially)

    Also Ryan Murray with an assist but a slow season so far offensively. Again like Grigorenko coming off a high ankle sprain, and like Maricin in PG it is tough to get points as a dman when your forwards suck. Earlier this week Everett lost 7-2 and Murray was +2 (he plays for Everett) so that is impressive.

    I wonder if we can convince Gregor to go on a sign Penner campaign. It worked once, maybe he can bend Tambo’s ear.

  109. bookje says:

    Confessions of a Tambellini Apologist

    There are a few of us here who have defended Tambellini a fair bit and I wanted to explain the roots of the positive belief in Tambellini. This is not an ‘I told you so’ post in light of the Hemsky signing. I fully accept that Steve Tambellini may turn out to be a terrible GM for the Oilers. This post is simply meant to explain why some of us still have faith in him.

    I am not stating ANY of this as a fact, but rather as one possible interpretation – it has a lot of assumptions in it and I fully accept that I could be proven wrong on some of it. Tambellini may be the worst GM in history, but my point is that I currently don’t see it that way. I think we need a bit more time to truly judge him.

    Note – I tend to be a bit of an optimist about the Oilers – so there is a natural bias that probably affects my views here. Here we go…

    First – I suspect that much of the decision making PRIOR to the decision to tank the 09/10 season was decision by committee. I suspect that the trajectory was set by Lowe and Katz prior to hiring Tambellini (Sign a big fish and go for it now) and I believe that Lowe and Katz had the biggest influence on the ‘big’ moves (Khabibulin, going after Heatley, etc.). A more experienced GM (such as Burke) would assert control, but Tambellini was ok with the ‘govern by committee’ approach. I think he was really seen as doing more of the old job done by Howson with a bit more power, but basically he was an Assistant GM at the time.

    Second – Once the failure of the Lowe-Katz model was undeniable, Tambellini made a gutsy call – he decided (and stated) that the Oilers would not try to salvage the 09/10 season by trading for or signing a goalie. He basically announced that they were going to accept their fate and allow the team to finish last – no help was on the way. He rightly predicted that the market could handle it and that the fans would not revolt. I don’t think he gets enough credit for that decision. Many people here say it is ‘easy to lose’ and in some way they are right, but if it were that easy, teams like Calgary and Toronto would do it as well. It takes some level of courage to tell the owner that his team and plan stinks and that the only way to salvage it is to let the team languish in last for 2-3 years. Hall and RNH are in Edmonton because of that. I think he team would be worse off if it tried to compete.

    Third – He announced the ‘culture change’ and proceeded to jettison Moreau, Staois, Nillson, and POS – he even got something in return for Staois. I get a sense that the dressing room is a better place now, even if the team still sucks. I am not saying this is a major achievement, but the point is that he dismantled some of the mistakes of the past. He also fired Quinn because Quinn was not the right coach for the job.

    Forth – he treated Souray the same way any other GM would – he dumped him after Souray pridefully stood up and very publicly criticized management. What have other GM’s done in similar situations? Well, there have been almost no prior examples because it is such a taboo in the NHL. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you is well understood. Trade demands are fine, if you are tradeable. I think Souray was untradable after this and I think he (and his contract) were untradeable PRIOR to this. So, the Oilers were stuck with him and tried to get something for him by keeping him for a year. When that didn’t work, they bought him out (mercifully). Souray came back to the NHL and after a quick run of points at the beginning of the year, he has proved to be a solid defensive defenseman who doesn’t have much in the way of offence (just a few points after the third week of the season). Many argue that the Oilers could have brought him up and it would have helped them to be more competitive. I don’t understand why they would do that when the goal was to finish 30th.

    Fifth – The team was trying to lose for half of 09/10, all of 10/11, and I suspect that they were seeking to finish around 20-25 in 11/12. The goal through this period was acquisition through the draft, taking long-shots on washed up players (Brule, Foster, Potter, Fraser, Barker??) in the hopes that you find a gem or two, and player development. So, criticisms about the team failing to fill obvious weaknesses (3rd line centre, defense, etc.) can be countered by the “The goal is to lose” argument. Some of the players were short term space fillers helping the team get to 30th. As fall 2011 came, the team tried to legitimately fill some of these weaknesses with players like Belanger and Eagar, while leaving others for summer of 2012 to fill.

    Sixth – Belanger, Eagar, and Hortichuk all kind of suck this year. Yep, but the moves were thought of as fairly positive when they were made and Eagar has started to come around. It is not unreasonable for Belanger to turn it around as well. However, given the length of the contracts and the costs, I think criticism for these moves is perfectly valid, particularly if things don’t get better.

    Seventh – Many of the players moved out by Tambellini have gone on to do no better elsewhere. It is not as though Cogs, Penner Stortini, or POS are tearing up the league (proving how badly they were mismanaged in Edmonton). The biggest ‘outward bound’ failure by Tambellini is Brodziak (and I still don’t understand it but accept that GMs make mistakes). The second failure is Vis for Whitney. I think that trade was forced (Vis wanting out) but Whitney in exchange for an older Visnovsky is not a terrible move. Whitney’s feet, however, has resulted in the trade turning out quite bad. Its reasonable to criticize Tambellini for this trade – however, I wonder what the doctor reports said. As per players remaining on the roster, somf of them (Gagner, Smid, Gilbert) are looking to be key parts of the team moving forwards.

    Eighth – Tambellini worked the Smyth deal, the Penner deal, and the Hemsky deal to get maximum value for the Oilers. He didn’t blink and did well.

    Ninth – Since he took over, the backstage elements of the team have improved greatly. He replaced an out of date group of staff (and gave them cushy jobs). He has built an impressive development system, including the hiring of a number of new positions to help develop players in the system and make them feel good about being part of the Oilers organization. He has a successful franchise going in OKC.

    Tenth – He lies without difficulty which frustrates many fans (and blog commentators), but I am glad to have someone who can look into the camera and say “We are competing for a playoff spot” this year when it’s clear that the intent is not to do so. A good GM has to be a good liar – Sather was great at lying.

    Well, that’s it I think. If I owned he Oilers, Tambellini has one year from today to prove himself. If the Oilers are not competing for a playoff spot (or in one) by this time next year, he is gone (actually about 11 months from now).

    I see, and fully accept some of the criticisms of Tambellini, but other criticisms, such as not filling the 3rd line centre roll in 09/10 are not valid if you believe that the team was intentionally tanking.

    The good news is that there is no uncertainty now – the goal of ST and the Oilers is to win hockey games in 2012/13. If they do anything else, ST is fully culpable.

    I, for one, hope he has tremendous success.

  110. bookje says:

    Lucinius:
    Just watched the Hemsky availability presser after he signed. A lot of good stuff. Signed the two year deal in part because he knows his year hasn’t been great, etc., and just wanting to stay.

    He’s gotten a lot better at talking to the media. He used to be horrendous when he had to deal with them.

    His English is much better AND its much easier when talking about good news.

  111. Denniss says:

    I know I’m preaching to the choir here but holy fuck did 83 ever do the Oilers a solid here: took less money and term and didn’t even get a NTC or NMC.

    Happiest and most positive I’ve been about the direction of this team in a long time so I will join the masses and blue sky a bit and hope this bit of altruism by 83 trickles down to the rest of the boys when the time comes.

    We saw a few fellows go public in the press expressing their wishes for him to stay and tonight I saw all of 4-6-91 throw out some props on twitter.

    I hope Ales sets the standard and that when it’s time for the three kids to get new deals they do it with an eye to keeping everyone together like what’s happened in Van for instance.

    And, yeah, as my uncle LT said, 83 has been on a value pact for years now. Doesn’t mean he won’t be able to afford the good process Cheese spread, but, still, the guy’s owed a nice bit of karma for all this.

    Haven’t said this in a long time in a month not called June but great day to be an Oilers fan.

  112. Denniss says:

    PS: I want Joel Ward or Dustin Penner on a value contract here for next year to help out 10 on the none 93-89 lines.

  113. bookje says:

    Lucinius:
    Just watched the Hemsky availability presser after he signed. A lot of good stuff. Signed the two year deal in part because he knows his year hasn’t been great, etc., and just wanting to stay.

    He’s gotten a lot better at talking to the media. He used to be horrendous when he had to deal with them.

    You know, I just watched the whole thing on the Oilers site and I was shocked. I know he signed a two year contract and he talks about how much he likes the team and sees the potential, BUT I am an expert in interpreting body language and I am afraid it tells a very different story about Hemsky’s true feelings and even his true nature.

    According to his body language, Hemsky hates Edmonton more than any other city on earth. He wants the entire city to die a painful death and is working towards that goal. He is either building a nuclear bomb in his basement OR he is building a knuckleball in his face mint (it was hard to tell because he kind of wiggled his left ear and I couldn’t tell if this was due to an itch or if it was body language) and hopes to use it to destroy this city. He also really really likes feta cheese. I don’t know what the cheese thing had to do with it, but perhaps he was sending that message out to his girlfriend regarding supper or something. Lastly, he secretly wishes he were Robbie Schremp.

    So, I think its pretty clear what a bad deal this is now! Its all in the body language.

  114. regwald says:

    Denniss,

    Dennis, agree with you. A lack of NMC or NTC is big for flexibility.

    On top of it all, Hemsky did not get a raise. The idiots down east crying about the outrageous contract are a bit naive here. Hemsky’s current salary this season is $5M. He basically agreed to keep the same salary for the next two years.

    In Salary Cap terms, yes his cap hit increases from 4.1 to $5M but the next effect in real dollars is nothing.

    I don’t know the intricacies of the CBA, but could someone comment if there is any limitations in terms of reducing a players salary who is already under contract ? Or would that only be covered under a RFA and not UFA situation ?

    So, could the Oilers offer Hall or Eberle or Paajarvi less money on their next contract due to underperforming ? Just for example, not saying they would. I do know RFA qualifying offers have all kinds of rules about raises and the like.

    Thanks

  115. DSF says:

    Clay:
    DSF,

    Here’s to hoping Hemmergets 85 points next year and makes all the “experts” look foolish.

    Tambo wins the Hemsky sweepstakes.Many have said it, but it’s worth repeating – Hemsky for two years at what amounts to a discount contract is miles and miles ahead of anything they could’ve gotten for him via trade.

    I’ve been thinking he was gone since he broke camp without a contract.Glad I was wrong.Stay healthy, bud!

    If he stays healthy, it’s a decent contract.

    If he doesn’t it isn’t a disaster because of the term.

    The dollars are really irrelevant at this point.

    The best you say can say about it is Tambellini could have made another major gaffe and didn’t.

  116. Woodguy says:

    Anyone else notice that the EDM MSM is trashing Tambellini and the deal and the majority of the group here is very positive of the deal?

    How the worm has turned.

    *note to Danny* – I am not suggesting that Tambellini has gotten to us and now we are his mouth pieces. Simply pointing out the comedy.

    I’m a little taken aback as to the massive criticisms from a lot (but certainly not all) of the MSM.

    They love Jack Johnson and hate Ales Hemsky.

    Standard?

  117. Woodguy says:

    DSF,

    If he doesn’t it isn’t a disaster because of the term.

    Please explain how two years is a disaster.

  118. bookje says:

    Woodguy: They love Jack Johnson and hate Ales Hemsky.

    Yeah, but have you heard Jack Johnson sing his monkey songs – they’re awesome – I don’t even think Hemsky can even play the guitar.

  119. kinger says:

    Woodguy: I owe you $25.

    Glad to pay as well, it’s a good day for the Oilers.

    What can I use to contact you?

  120. DSF says:

    Dmitry Chesnokov ‏ @dchesnokov

    One Russian sports reporter on the Hemsky deal: “And we all thought there was no money laundering in the NHL.”

  121. DSF says:

    Woodguy:
    DSF,

    If he doesn’t it isn’t a disaster because of the term.

    Please explain how two years is a disaster.

    I said it isn’t.

    Easy to deal with a two year contract.

    I expect he’ll suffer more injury in the next two seasons, play half the games and the contract expires.

    No big deal for two seasons.

  122. Woodguy says:

    DSF: I said it isn’t.

    Easy to deal with a two year contract.

    I expect he’ll suffer more injury in the next two seasons, play half the games and the contract expires.

    No big deal for two seasons.

    Wow, I read that totally opposite.

    I apologize.

    Now on to business.

    What it the wager on Hemsky playing 82 regular season game in the next two years?

    I’ll take the over.

  123. Gerta Rauss says:

    DSF: I said it isn’t.Easy to deal with a two year contract.I expect he’ll suffer more injury in the next two seasons, play half the games and the contract expires.No big deal for two seasons.

    Hilarious-I read it as “is a disaster” as well…I saw the source and just assumed…

  124. Woodguy says:

    kinger:
    Woodguy: I owe you $25.

    Glad to pay as well, it’s a good day for the Oilers.

    What can I use to contact you?

    Woot!

    We’ll have to figure that out.

    I suggest creating a pool towards beer and watching an Oiler game at a local establishment. You live in Edmonton?

  125. kinger says:

    Woodguy,

    Unfortunately I do not. Do you have paypal?

  126. misfit says:

    Very good news, but I have to say I did NOT see this coming. I was certain Hemsky was a goner on Monday.

  127. kinger says:

    I could also do INTERAC e-Transfer. It’s pretty easy to setup with your bank (any major canadian bank has it).

  128. Lowetide says:

    oilersfan:
    Marincin with a three point night tonight, he now has 18 in 19 games with Regina. Back on track.
    Lowetide would you look into getting one of the Regina coaches or the play by play guy to talk about Marincin and Davidson? Marincin had a good start with Regina, a slow few games, then has been on fire. Not sure but about 10 points in his last 6 or 7 games. I would love to hear how he looks, if he is still playing 30 minutesa night like he was in PG, if he looks ready to take the next step to the AHL, and if he appears like he is a legit NHL prospect like some other Pats (eberle especially)

    Also Ryan Murray with an assist but a slow season so far offensively. Again like Grigorenko coming off a high ankle sprain, and like Maricin in PG it is tough to get points as a dman when your forwards suck. Earlier this week Everett lost 7-2 and Murray was +2 (he plays for Everett) so that is impressive.

    I wonder if we can convince Gregor to go on a sign Penner campaign. It worked once, maybe he can bend Tambo’s ear.

    Sure. I had someone on from the Pats last year, will check it out. Maybe next week’s show.

  129. TheOtherJohn says:

    Insane that Hemsky got the right to go UFA and signed a two year contract. Only other player looking at 4-5 year contract that signed for short term was Hossa signing that 1 year contract in attempt to win a Cup

    Very good deal for the Oil now if only we can trade Peirre-Marc Barker and flotsam for PK Subban, just saying when cards coming your way…… Let them run!!!

  130. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Wow, I read that totally opposite.

    I apologize.

    Now on to business.

    What it the wager on Hemsky playing 82 regular season game in the next two years?

    I’ll take the over.

    Hemsky is taking all the risk here…you have to give the man credit for that.

    I’m sure his agent is pissed.

  131. wuthering says:

    Super glad Hemsky signed. Hopefully this will help alleviate the anfechtungen so rampant in these here parts :)

    Book¡e: well said–I’m no management apologist either, but these guys have much more difficult jobs than most appreciate. I’d add some to your second point. If maturity is the ability to delay gratification, then Tambo has done the right thing by tanking huge. “Dithers” did his duty and kicked up a little dust to make it look like he was at least trying to rectify the team, but the real plan has been to totally rebuild through drafting and development, which has some positive arrows (OKC).

    For those who want the here and now, well, we could always go back to trying to win 18 out of the last 23 to sneak into the playoffs (see Calgary Flames). Does anyone here really want this? To re-live that twenty-year stretch of “we have a good shot at the playoffs”? If you are that person, here are some suggestions:

    -Bust out a VHS tape of Ilya Byakin trying to score with the opposing goalies’ stick.
    -Find an archived post-game show of John Short (back in the 790 days) and listen to him explain to callers that Luke Richardson was not a reliable source of offense.
    -Bust out another vintage VHS and watch Vladimir Vujtech do this “cool new move,” that every pee-wee house player can now perform with ease.
    -Watch the sniper, David Oliver, miss an open net.
    -Recall the numerous times when you listened to Rod Philips on the way home from work, turned on TV, then discovered that the game was suddenly much worse than what you had thought (the Oilers owe Rod a lot . . .)
    -Remember that special feeling that occurred when the Oilers actually made the playoffs, and then came to the queazy realization that they would be facing Dallas again.
    -Review newspaper headliners of the singular talents who were always traded.

    This is what I remember. I don’t want this. It leads to anfechtungen.

  132. geeker99 says:

    wow, dont really know how to feel. i really wonder if everybody reacts the same if we lose the flames and philly this week. i have to admit hemmer has looked good in recent games. playing with hall i”m sure plenty of players would look better. we need a top six forward with size and a temper. Hartnell should of had his ass handed to him last night and sent a message to all teams. i know its hordichuks job but where was he. i know it was tight game but we are lottery team. so if dustin brown was on the table with hemmer and a maybe a prospect going the other way i do that deal. anyway i am glad we got him signed so he didnt walk for nothing and please stay healthy. make it a value contract bud!

  133. Lewis Grant says:

    THANK YOU ALES!!

    This is the best news to come out of Oiler country in a long time. Dollars and term that are great for the team. Here’s hoping he rips it up for the next two years. And that his discount sets an example for the young guns. Great to see their public support for Hemsky, and let’s hope it’s the start of a true team culture.

    If Hemsky’s shooting pct (and the team’s shooting pct. with him on the ice) was at normal, Hemsky would have over 40 points and about .9 ppg. Wonder what the Eastern media would be saying then. They’re just upset because they’ll have little to talk about now, after having hyped the trade deadline every damn day for the last two weeks.

    Props to Tambellini where truly deserved.

  134. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje:
    According to his body language, Hemsky hates Edmonton more than any other city on earth.He wants the entire city to die a painful death and is working towards that goal.He is either building a nuclear bomb in his basement OR he is building a knuckleball in his face mint (it was hard to tell because he kind of wiggled his left ear and I couldn’t tell if this was due to an itch or if it was body language) and hopes to use it to destroy this city.
    So, I think its pretty clear what a bad deal this is now!Its all in the body language.

    Did you notice he left the presser early?

  135. Gret99zky says:

    Still can’t believe he signed here for 2 years. UFA and could have signed for a boatload more cash. No trade restrictions. WTF?

    If I’m his agent I fire myself.

  136. geeker99 says:

    quick question, anyone know how to change your password? the one they gave me is a nightmare

  137. Gret99zky says:

    This short term deal tells me all I need to know about his shoulders.

    They are A-OK.

  138. CrazyCoach says:

    The twitter feed is just showing me how stupid MSM is at times. Does sitting your fat ass behind a keyboard for 30 years makes you an expert?

    I may not agree with every poster in here at times, but the stats they use in here are pretty convincing, unlike the MSM.

  139. Gerta Rauss says:

    CrazyCoach: The twitter feed is just showing me how stupid MSM is at times. Does sitting your fat ass behind a keyboard for 30 years makes you an expert?

    I can’t speak for the MSM,but in my case,yes.

    Yes it does.

  140. CrazyCoach says:

    Then why oh why do so-called geniuses like Terry Jones lament what a horrible deal this is?

  141. regwald says:

    Oilers win here on two fronts – don’t need to worry about the financial commitments of a long term contract that would limit the Oilers ability to pay 4, 14, 93 long term. Given Hemsky’s young age, he’s still looking at a nice payday in 2 years if he can get back to playing between 72-75 games a year.

    The second front is the dollars are reasonable in that, there is no increase in actual $$ – i.e. he makes the same $5M per season he is making this year. Yes, increase cap hit, but no huge increase to 6 or 6.5 ot 7M per season. His contract will end and the Oilers can evaluate and make a decision of keeping him longer when the kids are a more known entity.

    The downside is a hit to the cap for two years of an additional 900K per year. Also, the ability to sign Hemsky long term will be tested heavily at his next contract. Unless Hemsky outperforms the kids and the cap goes up and up, this is probably his last Oiler contract. Unless they sign Hemsky to a Kovalchuk type long, long term deal to enable them to drop the cap hit.

    But those 2 years that Tambo bought with a real NHL player under contract are key to moving this team forward and helping out the kids.

  142. Gret99zky says:

    What’s Smyth need? 3yrs @ $3M-$2M-$1M?

  143. Gerta Rauss says:

    Gret99zky,

    Tambo mentioned in his presser that an offer has been submitted to Smytty and it’s up to him now.

    I would prefer 1 year deals-I know that might not be popular but I think it’s prudent.
    I also would have preferred to wait until after the draft and see how the rest of the roster shapes up but again,I think I’m in the minority.

  144. Gret99zky says:

    C’mon, it’s Smitty. Jersey sales alone over 3 years are worth $6M.

  145. regwald says:

    Gret99zky,

    I might offer him 2 years, but in general agree with Gerta here … 1 year deals only. there’s no cap relief if he retires on that contract. only if he goes on LTIR. It may seem like a small amount of $$, but the shorter term is better.

  146. Gret99zky says:

    How much will one year of Captain Canada cost from “love everything from the past town”?

  147. DSF says:

    CrazyCoach:
    Then why oh why do so-called geniuses like Terry Jones lament what a horrible deal this is?

    The numbers.

    None of them are good.

  148. Schitzo says:

    My two thoughts:

    Tambo is probably a pretty good poker player.

    I truly hope Hemsky stays healthy through this deal. Not so much for the team (but that too), but because he just gambled $15M in future salary on staying healthy.

  149. Gret99zky says:

    Schitzo:
    My two thoughts:

    Tambo is probably a pretty good poker player.

    I truly hope Hemsky stays healthy through this deal.Not so much for the team (but that too), but because he just gambled $15M in future salary on staying healthy.

    I can get down with this bro.

  150. art vandelay says:

    Anyone who thinks this is a bad deal quite simply doesn’t know hockey in the modern era.

    Yah, those 5 goals playing for a team on a nearly unprecedented streak of finishing last overall screams $5M deal.

    Oilers fans are the most deluded in the NHL, next to maybe Leafs and Habs honks. You cheer for a perennial loser franchise that makes the Islanders look like a well-oiled machine. You’ve got an owner who is basically robbing you in broad daylight. And all you’ve got is a rear-view mirror on a once-in-a-lifetime era when players had no freedom of movement so had to play in a tunderized sh!thole like Edmonton.

    Have fun with that 2d overall pick and get ready for the “who should we take with the first pick” discussions in 12-13.

  151. art vandelay says:

    Oh, but wait, his RelCorsi numbers in the zone starts against the toughs prove this is a value contract.

    Phhht. Wake the fk up , Edmonton. That fluke Cup run was thanks to one guy who got salary dumped on you by STL and, like Keyser Soze, was gone in a puff. BEcause his wife thought living in Edmonton was akin to being imprisoned in Guatanamo.

  152. fuzzy muppet says:

    From what i’ve read, the majority of people not on this blog and copper and blue think this is overpayment for hemsky.

    Hemsky, if he is paying any attention at all, has to feel slighted by the perception of this deal. More fuel for the fire, I say. It is ENTIRELY possible that (shocker!) injuries account for his reduced producion.

  153. Lucinius says:

    Art; well, we’ll see over the next two years who is correct. Its that simple. We’re right or we’re wrong. I believe you’re quite wrong.

    I’ll admit I’m not the smartest or most hockey knowledgeable person out there. My big issue with all those slamming the contract (and Hemsky) is the over emphasis on his five goals this year. Everyone knows this year is a bad year — including Hemsky. Its likely one of the main reasons he chose to take the shorter deal — to prove (or try to) in the next two years that he’s healthy and can once more produce at his historic (or higher, given quality of team mates) level and earn that long term, high dollar contract he wants.

    But when knocking his points and goal totals you have to understand; he’s never been a scorer and he’s coming off of major surgery to repair his shoulder (and both of his shoulders have been holding up very well since he returned). It took him awhile to get back into the games. You could tell when he first got back that he seemed to be missing the mental aspect of trusting his shoulders to take the hits.. something that he seems to be over now.

    The emphasis on goals just drives me nuts. Yes, goal scorers are very, very important and goals > assists, but not by as large a margin as some (many?) like to make it out to be. A lot of goals are only scored because of the pass that found them while they were open.

    And for the first time in a long while he’s getting put on a line with someone who can actually bury those chances he has been giving out routinely the past couple years.

    But, we’ll see. He’ll be a bust or a bargain. I don’t think he’ll be in the middle. I’m betting, and hoping, on the latter based on his past performance and his recent play.

  154. oilers89 says:

    art vandelay,

    Are you being sarcastic or do you just not understand what it takes to have a good team? If you are serious: More good players > less good players, I would hope that you agree.

  155. oilers89 says:

    bookje,
    In response to your long post earlier on Tambi, I think that you are very spot on, I enjoyed that read and would bet that most of it is right. If we can see the holes in the lineup it is obvious that a man in charge of running a hockey club can see them also, great post.

  156. jb says:

    Hemsky’s had it rough here no doubt.. Huge expectations while beginning his career on a sinking ship.. It’s not easy for a player to grow statistically while the teams trending downwards..

    Let’s be honest, he could have waited until the summer to sign and not care about hockey for the rest of the year. Simply coast while trying to decide whether or not he should go to a Contender, or maybe the Florida/Cali weather trumps all..

    The unconnected MSM, with their outside views, fabricate the Hemsky body language BS sitting in a circle parroting each other over and over because they had no idea whether or not Hemsky wanted to sign, or if the Oilers were even interested…

    Plenty of people knew Hemsky wanted to stay… why didn’t the MSM? (Rhetorical questions need not be answered)

  157. Marc says:

    The Journal’s report states:

    “Hemsky’s deal will expire at the same time the entry level contracts for Hall, Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi do, which gives Tambellini two years to figure out that coming salary crunch.”

    Is it too much to ask for basic factual accuracy from your newspaper?

  158. bookje says:

    kinger:
    I could also do INTERAC e-Transfer. It’s pretty easy to setup with your bank (any major canadian bank has it).

    Woodguy deals in hardwood – stuff is more profitable than cocain. He doesn’t need the money. Donate it to charity in his name and then email him the reciept.

  159. Woodguy says:

    kinger:
    Woodguy,

    Unfortunately I do not. Do you have paypal?

    I don’t.

    Why don’t you donate it to a local Women’s Shelter or a program for poor kids to play sports.

    Please make the donation in the name Lowe Tide.

    Cheers.

  160. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Woodguy deals in hardwood – stuff is more profitable than cocain.He doesn’t need the money.Donate it to charity in his name and then email him the reciept.

    Ha! I swear I din’t see your post when I made my response.

    The margins on cocaine are much greater than hardwood, but I don’t get shot at when I gain marketshare…for the most part.

  161. PerryK says:

    steveb12344,

    That is a heck of a compilation! Thanks.

  162. Woodguy says:

    kinger:
    Done:

    http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9079/wgdonation.png

    Excellent!

    You are man of your word sir!

  163. Bruce McCurdy says:

    wuthering: -Bust out a VHS tape of Ilya Byakin trying to score with the opposing goalies’ stick.
    -Find an archived post-game show of John Short (back in the 790 days) and listen to him explain to callers that Luke Richardson was not a reliable source of offense.

    Haha, I will NEVER forget that Byakin play as long as I live. If only he had found twine, it would be on all the blooper reels until the end of time. Even if it wouldn’t have counted cuz the humourless bastard in stripes gave him two for playing with an illegal stick.

    As for John Short, I’m a little confused about which “back in the 790 days” you are referring to. Would that be 790 AD or BC?

    Hat tip to Kinger and Woodguy, you are both honourable gentlemen. Very well played.

  164. Ribs says:

    I suppose I must say it, as I’ve been pleading for months now…..

    Thank you for not trading Hemsky.

    *still smiling*

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