Linus Rising

Linus Omark via twitter: Im ready to play but wont play tonight. Next week on thursday for sure !!

I believe that’s his twitter account, buddy is so popular there’s more than one account that claims to represent him. Either way, he’s apparently back next week.

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  1. regwald says:

    I guess we might see him back in Edmonton as soon as they “give away to a good home” #83.

  2. Lowetide says:

    Yeah, it looks like things are heading in that direction.

  3. regwald says:

    Friggin’ management. Finally got to pull my Smyth jersey outta mothballs and now I will have to hide the Hemsky.

    I am not happy. Not happy about it at all. And obviously, based on the body language, Hemsky is not happy with things either.

  4. Schitzo says:

    Can’t believe we’re doing this two years in a row – am I misremembering, or did Penner not say exactly the same thing after he was traded? Liked Edmonton, wanted to stay, nobody asked him.

  5. Schitzo says:

    Also, bold move by the OHL to suspend Yakupov for missing the top prospects game.

    “Dr. R. Giffin of the Fowler Kennedy Clinic in London has advised the hockey club that it is in the best interest of the player not to partake in the Top Prospects game on Wednesday in Kelowna,” said Sting general manager Jacques Beaulieu in the statement.

    Doctors, what do they know? And since when does Kevin Lowe have a role in the governance of the OHL?

  6. Woodguy says:

    That’s not Linus Omark’s twitter account.

    His account is @Limpanomark

    Its got the blue check mark thingy and its the one that Lander said was his.

  7. ASkoreyko says:

    The real Linus account however did post something very similar LT.

    “Linus Omark @Limpanomark
    Im ready to play but wont play tonight. Next week on thursday for sure !! #comback”

  8. Woodguy says:

    regwald:
    I guess we might see him back in Edmonton as soon as they “give away to a good home” #83.

    I prefer to think of it in terms of taking Hemsky out to a farm to run and play for fans and a coach who will appreciate him for what he is (528gm, 0.786pts/gm player), and what “they think he should be”

    Assholes.

    Everyone of them.

    Especially Renney.

  9. Lowetide says:

    WG: Is that the one?

  10. regwald says:

    Woodguy,

    I will have to print your reply off and read like 10 times a day until I believe it.

    How long before the Oilers mgmt and critical fans, then cry because no one is there to play the tough minutes … and that the kids have regressed because they are getting schooled by the other team’s top line … arghhhh …

  11. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    WG: Is that the one?

    For sure its @Limpanomark

  12. Ducey says:

    Schitzo:
    Can’t believe we’re doing this two years in a row – am I misremembering, or did Penner not say exactly the same thing after he was traded?Liked Edmonton, wanted to stay, nobody asked him.

    Probably a good thing. His twelve points and the pancake ambush wouldn’t have helped much this year and the Klefbom looks like a keeper.

  13. Schitzo says:

    Ducey: Probably a good thing.His twelve points and the pancake ambush wouldn’t have helped much this year and the Klefbom looks like a keeper.

    I think you need to distinguish between the trade itself and the thought process that led to the trade. The fact that the Oilers (allegedly) moved a 30 goal scorer without even having a discussion as to his long-term interests should be upsetting. I mean, you might still decide to trade him after you have a heart-to-heart, but at least you can say that you’ve made a fully informed decision.

    The fact that the trade worked out is a blessing that covers up a lot of blemishes. Not sure we should be tempting fate a second time.

  14. cabbiesmacker says:

    Serious questions here. Does anyone see an Oilers top 6 that can employ RNH, Eberle, Gagner, AND O’mark at the same time? Then some have mentioned tossing MPS into the fray as well?

    Can a top 6 with Taylor Hall representing your biggest physical presence be successful?

    What might O’mark bring in return if he were offered? 3rd rounder ballpark?

    (O’mark spelled improperly for a reason. Everyone deep down really wishes they were Irish. Swedes in particular)

  15. Schitzo says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Well, Detroit seems to find a way, although I guess Franzen and Bert are no pushovers. Sure could use a Dustin Penner type here in Edmonton.

  16. cabbiesmacker says:

    Schitzo,

    Not one guy in Detroits top 6 under 195 pounds or shorter than 6 feet, unless Hudler draws in for a shift or three and he’s pretty solid for a semi hobbit. In fact they don’t have a runt anywhere in their top 9.

    Acknowledging 100% of course that with sublime talents such as Zetts and Datsyuk in a top 6 you could play 2 MacIntyre’s + 2 Stortini’s at wing and still win a good share of games.

  17. Traktor says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    Serious questions here. Does anyone see an Oilers top 6 that can employ RNH, Eberle, Gagner, AND O’mark at the same time? Then some have mentioned tossing MPS into the fray as well?

    Can a top 6 with Taylor Hall representing your biggest physical presence be successful?

    What might O’mark bring in return if he were offered? 3rd rounder ballpark?

    (O’mark spelled improperly for a reason. Everyone deep down really wishes they were Irish. Swedes in particular)

    We might be able to compete against Detroit or Chicago but against clubs like Boston, St Louis, Vancouver, or Calgary I don’t see it. I suspect Edmonton needs to get swept in the playoffs before others realize we’re too small. Even our bigger players like Horcoff get slapped around by guys like Bieksa.

    If we had Chara, Weber and Suter on D we might be able to balance things out but easier said than done.

    As for Hemsky, can you really blame a club that has been devastated by injures the last 3 years to have minimal interest in signing Ales Hemsky? To top things off he is playing like shit.

  18. "Steve Smith" says:

    Serious questions here. Does anyone see an Oilers top 6 that can employ RNH, Eberle, Gagner, AND O’mark at the same time?

    I think it’s pretty well-established that top nine is a more meaningful categorization than top six. And I think a good team has room for all those guys in the top nine (and, if not, put Omark on the fourth line – why not?).

  19. Traktor says:

    If Hemsky stays healthy for the rest of the season and keeps his pace this year he will finish with 100 points over the last 3 years.

    33 points per season.

  20. "Steve Smith" says:

    Traktor,

    How does that compare to Horcoff?

  21. Traktor says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Traktor,

    How does that compare to Horcoff?

    Horcoff is also averaging under 35 points per season over the last 3 years.

  22. Ducey says:

    Schitzo: I think you need to distinguish between the trade itself and the thought process that led to the trade.The fact that the Oilers (allegedly) moved a 30 goal scorer without even having a discussion as to his long-term interests should be upsetting.I mean, you might still decide to trade him after you have a heart-to-heart, but at least you can say that you’ve made a fully informed decision.

    The fact that the trade worked out is a blessing that covers up a lot of blemishes.Not sure we should be tempting fate a second time.

    If the Oliers had/ have no interest in keeping Penner or Hemsky why do they need to have a heart to heart?

  23. OilClog says:

    couldn’t we sign penner again in offseason?
    I’d still view it as a upgrade to what we have in terms of needs. I’d gladly replace hordichuk/eager all at once with just a penner. Then Omark, Magnus, and himself can hang out on the 4th line together chippin in every 4 games, I’d hope he’d hold pancake breakfasts regularly. Him and Hemmer can have some shifts, save smyths legs later in the season. Big reason for Hemsky’s decline I think is Penner not being there, they knew how to play together. Unlike our courageous el’ captino horcuffio

    I want Hemsky to stay, this pisses me off. We don’t need to move him, it’s not really the forwards that need work, atleast on the high end. This seems to be clear to everyone but the people running the outfit. It’s hard as a fan to understand why we would get rid of hemsky.. he won’t as it stands.. right now.. get us a top 2 dman. Sign the man! Sick of seeing our established talent leave.

    All the trade talk should be around Khabby.. future considerations?? i.e. We want laugh at you, we all make mistakes.

  24. Schitzo says:

    Ducey,

    Ducey: to come to that conclusion, you’re basically suggesting that there is no dollar value where the player would be an asset to the team. That’s simply not the case – to use an extreme example, what if Penner said he felt bad for taking all that money in his first deal and would play for the next three years at 600k per?

    If the Oilers have no interest in keeping these players under any arrangement whatsoever, there are two possible explanations. The first is that the player is a locker room cancer whose on-ice contributions are no longer a consideration. The second is that the GM has made up his mind and its turned into a point of pride.

  25. Schitzo says:

    Also, has anyone (MSM or otherwise) offered a solution to our RW depth if Hemsky gets moved?

  26. Schitzo says:

    Oh, and Ducey, the other way to look at

    Ducey: If the Oliers had/ have no interest in keeping Penner or Hemsky why do they need to have a heart to heart?

    One more point – if I’m Tambo, you need to have that conversation from a cover-you-ass perspective. Say Hemsky gets healthy, signs in San Jose, and puts up 80 points next season, and Katz asks “dammit Tambo, why didn’t we sign him? What was he asking for?”

    If I’m Tambo, I need a better answer than “ummm… I didn’t ask”.

  27. cabbiesmacker says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Serious questions here. Does anyone see an Oilers top 6 that can employ RNH, Eberle, Gagner, AND O’mark at the same time?

    I think it’s pretty well-established that top nine is a more meaningful categorization than top six.And I think a good team has room for all those guys in the top nine (and, if not, put Omark on the fourth line – why not?).

    I don’t think you can get it done with a high % of smaller finesse types SS. Not even with as many as we’re talking on the Oilers in the top 12. Somebody, sometime, has to put thoughts in a Dmans mind that he’s going to get hit on a forecheck ,or apply enough body to separate opposing players from the puck. Thats part of the game and separating your opponent from the puck, not your opponets head from his body, is taught as soon as a kid reaches hitting age in amateur hockey.

    I also cannot think of one smallish, finesse first team that has gone deep in the playoffs for a long, long time. By the time the final round rolls around it’s become a battle of attrition and physicality comes into play huge. For that simple reason I wouldn’t put a nickel on Florida’s chances of making any noise this year. They might not be as small as we’re talking but they have zip in the top 9 thats going to scare anyone on the forecheck, crashing the net, etc. The Habs were seen as being a little small with decent skill types like Gionta, Cammelari, Gomez ,etc and the pundits may have been correct re the direction that team has taken since they went that way.

    We lead the league in giveaways just as a btw and not to try to lend any creedence to the discussion above. Just that it might segue to us being 29th in shots for, and 7th worst in shots against. No thats not all just about size but finesse players should be able to hang onto the puck no? Freeking Columbus has outshot us by 213 and allowed 40 fewer against and have played one more game. WTF? I guess if they had a sniper or two and decent goaltending we’d be partying hard on draft day..

    As for Omark on the 4th line I guess it just becomes that lines role, how much he’s earning back there, his TOI, and if he’s happy with that. Or would he be more value in trade as a package sweetener.

  28. Ducey says:

    Ducey: to come to that conclusion, you’re basically suggesting that there is no dollar value where the player would be an asset to the team. That’s simply not the case – to use an extreme example, what if Penner said he felt bad for taking all that money in his first deal and would play for the next three years at 600k per?
    …..
    One more point – if I’m Tambo, you need to have that conversation from a cover-you-ass perspective. Say Hemsky gets healthy, signs in San Jose, and puts up 80 points next season, and Katz asks “dammit Tambo, why didn’t we sign him? What was he asking for?”

    If I’m Tambo, I need a better answer than “ummm… I didn’t ask”.

    Penner was not a UFA last year. He was locked in for another year at $4.25 million. The trade was a good one. The fact that Tambo didn’t give Penner a hug or engage in contract talks he had no interest in doesn’t change that.

    Covering ones ass isn’t a legitimate hockey reason.

    Look, I understand that letting Hemsky go is controversial. But if I am a GM and the combination of the information I have from my coaches, the medical staff, and my scouts says we need to turf Hemsky, I don’t engage in fake contract negotiations.

    I have no inside info but something is wrong with Hemsky. Its likely that Renney has tried any number of ways to get Ales going and has reported up to Tambo. The fact is that the guy is not giving anything close to his max effort on the ice, is not getting results despite ample PP time, is shying completely away from any contact (those shoulders fucked still or he is scared to get re-injured?), and apparently is not into practicing. On top of this maybe his attitude sucks whenever they try and have the heart to heart. I think its very likely that Renney is fed up with him.

    There is certainly some basis for a hockey operations department to say lets trade his ass. Maybe its the sideburns or that lack of glowing eyes. Maybe it will be a huge mistake. But if they have decided (and it certainly does) that they are going to trade him, there is no need to talk to him about staying.

  29. godot10 says:

    There is no rule saying management has to make the first offer.

    Based on Hemsky’s play this season, Hemsky might view the offer he gets from management as an insult, so it might be better on the Oiler’s part for Hemsky’s agent to make the opening offer.

    Based on the way Hemsky is playing, if I were GM, I would wait as long as possible to make an offer to give Hemsky the time to demonstrate that he can return to his previous form.

    I’m not opposed to a one year offer at the actual salary (or slightly higher) that he is being paid this year to give him another year to regain his form and demonstrate durability. I think this is $5 million. So my offer would be 1 year, $5.5 million. My preference would be to trade him. If a trade was not possible at the deadline, then the offer would come with the proviso that the offer expires on June 1.

    I don’t think a heavy back and forth discussion with the agent would be productive right now, because of the mismatch between past and current performance. It would be too much like an arbitration hearing where you have to tell the player what is wrong with him. If no reasonable trade is prospective near the deadline, make the one year offer with a 10% raise.

  30. godot10 says:

    Schitzo,

    I believe the CBA states that a team cannot open negotiations with a player on a new contract until July 1 of the last year on the contract.

    The Oilers were contractually obligated to not negotiate with Penner or his agent on a new contract since he still had over a year left on the contract.

    This provision is for the benefit and protection of the player.

  31. dohfOs says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    Serious questions here. Does anyone see an Oilers top 6 that can employ RNH, Eberle, Gagner, AND O’mark at the same time? Then some have mentioned tossing MPS into the fray as well?

    Can a top 6 with Taylor Hall representing your biggest physical presence be successful?

    (O’mark spelled improperly for a reason. Everyone deep down really wishes they were Irish. Swedes in particular)

    Do we know? Suppose my real name “Martin” could be Irish. Hmm..

    Either way. Why wouldn’t the Oilers top 6 be able to consist all of the mentioned above? Omark is a solid player, even more so if played in a position where he can succeed. Funny enough Cornet was put in a better place to succeed than Omark. Omark have been used with a neutral top-line once as far as I can remember (Calgary away).

    And there is no need to utilize MPS on a top-6 if there’s no room. He’s better of playing solid minutes on a 3rd line. He’s a two-way player and not a scorer/sniper/playmaker/powerforward, never have been except a WJC-tourney or so.

    Omark-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Omark

    ..either one of these lines look good to me.

  32. spoiler says:

    Ducey is wrong about Hemsky shying away from contact. He’s thrown more bodychecks this year than all his other years put together.

    That said, I think managment wants Hemsky gone. Tambo has been talking about culture change since the retroactively announced rebuild.

    I don’t think they want a moody mercurial star who is last on the ice and first off every practice.

    A lot of Detroit’s success comes from the way they practice. Hemsky would need to change to fit in at a Wings practice. And I think change would be good for him. Might make him more aware of his. attitude and work ethic.

    If he scores 80 points next year it’s irrelevant, unless you’re DSF. He wasn’t doing it for us and needed the kick in the ass that a trade gives you to get the light to go on. Ask Cogliano. Dan Cleary.

  33. Ducey says:

    TSN has Hemsky with 15 hits for the season. He has looked like a rag doll out there most nights.

  34. Clay says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I’m not trying to be confrontational, but your comment isn’t entirely true. Both Hockeydb and the Red Wing’s website have both Datsyuk and Z listed as 5′ 11″ and sub 200lbs. In fact, only one of Detroit’s 5 top scorers is over 6′ and over 200lbs (Franzen).

    1 – Datsyuk 5’11″ 198lbs
    2 – Filppula 6’0″ 195lbs
    3 – Franzen 6’3″ 223lbs
    4 – Zetterberg 5’11″ 197lbs
    5 – Hudler 5’10″ 186lbs

    The youngest of these players is Filppula at 27 years old. so they’ve all finished “filling out”. Compare that to the kids:

    RNH – 6’1″ 175lbs
    Hall – 6’1″ 194lbs
    Eberle 5’11″ 184lbs
    Omark 5’10″ 180lbs
    Gagner 5’11″ 195lbs

    I think Omark and Gagner may be finished “filling out”, but the top 3 certainly have a ways to go in the size department. Omark has proven he is much tougher to handle along the boards than his size would indicate. Add in one bona fide power forward a la Franzen, and a few years of weight training for the teenagers, and I have absolutely no problem with this top 6.

    You don’t notice Detroit’s lack of size up front, because they play that skilled, puck control game. If you’re a dump ‘n chase team, yes, you need some bigger bodies to bang with big defencemen down low. However, I think the skill on the Oilers top 6 going forward will easily overcome their size limitations.

  35. rickithebear says:

    Last 41GM(half Season)
    Hemsky 41GM 5G 16A -10 4.1M will sign for ??????
    Omark 41GM 3G 16A -12 .875M will sign for 1M

    Uh yeah lets trade hemsky for 2 Assets ????????
    Use omark as a trade stocking stuffer. ???????

  36. cabbiesmacker says:

    Clay,

    My fault for not wording things properly.

    1) I was referring to those Detroit players outside of Zetterberg and Datsyuk

    2) Hudler usually draws third line duties. Cleary is in the top 6 more with Hudeler getting more time on the PP

    3) Some of those weights for the Oil kids? Were they weighed on “pockets full of gold bars day?

    Yes Detroit plays a puck possession game and outside of Z and D’s obvious elite skill level assisting that the other 4-5 are damn tough to separate from the puck as well.

    Detroit isn’t my waterline team really. Out in round 2 the past two years and doubtful to get past that mark this year as well. They’re aging up front and I don’t think they have the grit to match up against teams like Boston, Philly, SJ, Van, STL. Highly unlikely to come out of the West unless Howard goes all world.

  37. cabbiesmacker says:

    dohfOs: Do we know? Suppose my real name “Martin” could be Irish. Hmm..

    Either way. Why wouldn’t the Oilers top 6 be able to consist all of the mentioned above? Omark is a solid player, even more so if played in a position where he can succeed.

    Omark-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Omark

    ..either one of these lines look good to me.

    Martin O’ Swensson? Cmon dude. If you’ve ever consumed green beer on St Patty”s day it’s a given. If you’re still in Sweden then you probably don’t get that, but in North America being Irish for one day is a tradition whether your last name is Klopchuk, Desjardins, or Himmler.

    Pretty unique occurrence I think all things considered. The equivalent to us all dyeing our hair blonde and pounding down Lingonberry Jam for 24 hours.

    As for your propsed top 6, I guess it could happen. 3 – 5 years down the road maybe when Hall, RNH, and Eberle are strong enough to compensate for the rest.

  38. dohfOs says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Martin O’Lunden if anything hah, nah.. we don’t do St. Patrick’s day here but I’ve read about it. Funny thing about Lingonberry. It’s a word the English language have taken from the Swedish word Lingon. Yet ,for some strange reason you had to add the berries-part. Not like we say “Lingonbär” (where “bär” is berries).

    And, another somewhat funny thing (and perhaps more on topic). I continue hearing the Oilers should use MPS in a top 6 role rather than a bottom 6 (or well, 3rd line-) ditto, when it’s in fact Omark that is the better suited player of the two for a top 6 role. Put Omark with a scorer and wonders could very well happen.

  39. MDUB99 says:

    Oilers fans are the worst for turning on a dime on their players, if I was Ales Hemsky I would want out of this ungrateful town, the quicker the better. I like how everyone turned on a dime for Sam lately too…next week he’ll be a no good piece of crap that doesn’t produce or work hard (both false of course).

    Oh how quickly we forget that run in 2006 that was largely due to the toughness and effort put forth of a hard working team, one of the most hard working and tough was a 22 year old Ales Hemsky. He’s 28 now and he’s a home grown talent with injury issues and massive natural talent, show him some loyalty and respect, at least be straight with the guy.

    I would submit that the real issue in Edmonton continues to be a weak, spineless, soft coaching/management staff that has more cliches prepared for the post game show than in game strategies or hockey sense. We had strength behind the bench in MacTavish. Even Pat Quinn inspired the troops more than Renney has in my opinion, stencils of “Relentless Together” aside.

    Also if Ryan Smyth opts to go somewhere else at the deadline, it should speak volumes to the clown college management & coaching in place in Edmonton. Only in Edmonton is incompetence allowed to sail on under the guise of a “rebuild”. As evidenced by their blessing to allow the marketing material that is “Oil Change”. I felt shame when I watched it, and was free’d when I swore I wouldn’t watch it ever again. Embarrassing.

    Yet we extend Tambellini and banish Ales Hemsky…Can you blame this team for being lost? Top down organization that name drops like a high school prom queen amongst the runners up. Chicago model my ass, other teams would deal with Chicago…no one wants to deal with us (ask Lombardi in LA). Detroit model my ass, if a rookie can skate we give him time in the NHL and ridicule them for not being consistent.

    As a season ticket holder I am pondering letting my tickets lapse, which is hard after continuing to support them over the past 6 years of futility. They will get better and become a strong team over the next 5 years despite management decisions, not because of them. Losing I could handle, but it’s hard when you see incompetence rewarded (Tambellini extension baffles me beyond belief). He’s an exceptional politician as he has convinced all of Oiler nation that this is how you build, shut it down for 6 years…drop a deuce on the ice most seasons and draft yourself back to the promise land. 6 years in…not even a sniff of the playoffs…3 separate coaches. The result is apparently an extension. I wish my job was that forgiving. Have you noticed everyone has been accountable except management, hell we even fired our training staff. Whats next, Joey Moss pays the price?

    Last couple of games have been great, I hope this team has a great finish to the year and that they continue to progress, however I know I will not understand or agree with management decisions. Especially in regards to dealing with their players, they should show a little class on occasion. Especially after the Souray garbage.

    I’m usually a positive guy, I realize this post is very negative. I apologize, but this is how I feel right now. Enough is enough.

    Belanger on the PP and Shootout tonight ahead of RNH, Smyth, Horcoff, Hemsky? Really???

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