Samwise

Sam Gagner enjoyed a night for the ages, providing Oiler fans with a wonderful memory that ranks right up there in terms of a single game, regular season performance. Gagner is an interesting piece in the rebuild, young enough and skilled enough to play with the “touched by God” group while also being a little older/experienced. Gagner should fit with any 5-year plan the Oilers management can place on the white board.

It was a spectacular evening, one we won’t forget for a long time. 8 points is historic–tied with 99 and 7 from the Glory team–and honestly it couldn’t have come at a better time. With Darren Dreger saying the same words every 15 minutes he’s on tsn–”the Oilers aren’t offering Gagner but they badly need defenseman and that’s the name mentioned by other general managers”–it gets a little depressing to think about another rob Peter to pay Paul deal that may or may not work out.

Gagner’s evening should give pause to the Oilers organization. On the list of vital things for NHL teams, contributing directly to goals for is still the mot valuable gem in the mine.

I sincerely hope the Oilers find another way to address defense. The inner circle list of unavailable players rightly includes 4, 14 and 93; I think there needs to be a secondary circle for the build that includes valuable players like Sam Gagner. He’s suffered through the pain with all of us and has not buckled from the strain. Oilers fans have seen him develop and should also be rewarded by seeing the heart of his career in an Oildrop.

The Oilers do need defensive help, but they’ll have to find another way.

Gagner’s 5×5/60 is listed at 1.48; when the new number hits it should see a healthy bump.

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Looks like one of the players we’ve both been pimping has finally shut everyone up for a long time.

    After last night, anyone in management daring to trade Gagner might as well be playing chicken with a circular saw.

    Now that Gagner’s been taken care of, I’m returning to my Cam Barker crusade. Both of his Oiler goals show me a player that actually calms down before shooting, which is the sign of a superior talent.

  2. Chris Hext---formerly EasyOil--- says:

    So annoyed I missed this game. But what a reaction when I woke up this morning and saw the boxscores. Couldn’t believe my eyes. Along with you LT I’ve been one of the few Gagner supporters over these last few years, kids got guts and he’s got talent. Last night proved it, although obviously that shouldn’t mean he’s now our saviour. He isn’t, but he’s a damn useful player to have around.

  3. Maverick says:

    What an amazing game by Gagner!!! PVR it at 11:30 on TSN2 definitely a game for the ages. This should help management decide who to keep and who should go before the trade deadline…. So Saturday night against Detroit will it be Hemsky’s turn to shine!?!

  4. rich says:

    I would hope this would shut people up about Gagner…but I never cease to be amazed about some. I’m just very happy for him because bad goaltending or not, Sam has the ability to produce and this reinforces why so many other GM’s were calling and asking for him. It’s a matter of putting him in the right place.

    Certainly will make things a tad bit interesting for Renney when he gets RNH back as to how he’ll roll the lines. Would love to see this line (Gagner/Hall/Eberle) kept together and put RNH w/Hemsky/Smyth. Might be an enjoyable couple of lines to watch until the trade deadline.

  5. tubes says:

    Went to the game and then watched most of it on TSN2 until I passed out. My notes…

    - Gagner looked much faster on TV than in person. Didn’t notice his speed at the game, but I was in row 35, which makes a difference. Right from the first period he was just flying out there. Fastest I’ve ever seen him.

    - Hemsky did very heavy lifting which hurt his offensive game. Looked decent on the PP but gave up chasing some pucks. I think he wants out.

    - Smyth isn’t as bad/slow as people on here are saying. Throw 14/89/4 out against Toews and Kane and see what happens. 89′s might have only had…4 points or so.

    - Our record with Barker in the lineup is what?! He is kind of a dumb dumb in his own end…

    - TSN’s colour commentator for the game was terrible but still better than Calgary’s Sportsnet guy.

    - Does Gagner bring back a Dman who can be a Top 3 in two years? Do you trade him or is he the 2C we’ve been looking for?

    Epic game.

  6. Jordan says:

    Considering what was being written here the last little while about Gagner (by me, among others) it sure is a big boost for the kid. Hope he’s when the good times roll – he’s earned it.

    Looking at the scoring chance numbers though… it really looks like this has more to do with the Chicago goalie tandem being terrible and Dubnyk being the better puckstop last night, no?

    I love how the team gets up for games against the skill teams – it’s great and was a hoot to listen to, but I really have to question the story line being rolled out here.

  7. TheOtherJohn says:

    Was at game. Sam had fire in belly and wingers complemented his play superbly. I have not been one calling for a trade of Gagner. But part of the reason it makes some sense is size and style of play. We play Chicago and play wide open firewagon hockey and the skill on our forward lines flourishes. We play Calgary, ST Louis, Bos, SJS teams with real big bodies and our lack of size is on open display. Frequently it ends badly for us

    When we are good (please Oiler management don’t screw up last 6 years of unbelievable paid for misery) we will have to beat two or three big body teams in 7 game series to hoist Lord Stanley’s Cup. We are not going to do that with 3-4 small forwards in our top 6.

    So bask in glow of special, special night but recognize the Plan, if it actually exists, requires us to be capable of beating all types of teams when it matters and other teams are finishing checks.

    So do I want to trade Gagner? …… nope but you better find some big body forwards that can muck it up AND score if we roll with a number of smaller forwards

  8. knighttown says:

    Tubes kind of nailed it with the comments about Hemmer playing against Toews/Kane/Sharp. You try to survive that assignment and then hope your scoring line does their job…and tonight they did.

    Here’s the few thing about that though; 83/10/94 are the best option for power vs. power on home ice but they can’t “win” many of these matchups anymore. If you’re going to get buried in that matchup why not just put Jones (or Eager or Lander) there and leave Hemsky on a scoring line?

    Tom Renney needs to start understanding why this team succeeds against certain teams and in certain situations. The first move is to send Lander down for a real winger…Cornet/Keller/MPS/Omark. You’ve got your 4 centers so stop fucking around.

    Scenario 1- At home (any situation)

    Go with hard matchup of 10/94/28/5/77 against the big line (Thornton, Toews, Sedins)
    Load up the two scoring lines; 4/89/83 and 55/93/14
    Garbage 4th line who doesn’t play much 20/37/91

    Scenario 2- On the road versus bad matchup like Dallas, Calgary because of size or Vancouver/Chicago because one bad matchup will cost you the game.

    Achieve balance of skill and size and defense and offense and try to win 1-0

    55/10/14
    4/89/28
    94/20/91
    37/93/83

    You’re going to hate these lines but it’ll keep you in the game. Roll them over and hope your PP wins it. You can’t go 4/89/14 cause teams won’t go power versus power. They’ll get shutdown by Polak/Jackman/Langenbrunner/Sobotka/Arnott and then you’ll spend the next three shifts holding on as Peitrangelo/Shattenkirk/Oshie/Backes/Perron/Stewart/Berglund/Steen and D’Agostino come in waves.

    On the road against better marchups (Colorado, C-Bus, eastern conference team)

    Let the kids start to handle some tougher assignments but without exposing yourself entirely to a Nash vs. Petrell/Hordichuck/Belanger scenario.

    14/93/55
    4/89/91
    94/10/83
    37/20/28

    Again, there is nothing wrong with trying to achieve balance throughout the lineup as long as there is enough depth and skill to share the load. Oshie and Berglund play “3rd line” in St. Louis but they are deep enough that they still have some skill to play with.

  9. itsaleaf says:

    With RNH coming back, I was hoping the Oilers would do the right thing (finally) and send Lander down to OKC to play meaningful games the rest of the season. There are a host of other players that can play 4th line winger minutes on the big club.

    Alas, Oilers management fails again.

    At Least Gagner pretty much cemented the fact that he won’t be moved. The fans might burn rexall down if 3.0 traded him after that peformance. Alot of us are guilty of forgetting that 89 is only SIX MONTHS older that Eberle…

    That’s the brightest spot these poor Oilers have seen in years. Good job Samwise

  10. FastOil says:

    I was thinking about Gagner’s situation after the game, and thought they can’t move him now as well. As it percolated through my mind and I came down from it all, it occurred to me that if certain opposing GM’s over-react to the game, and now Gagner is straight up for Tyler Myers say, what then?

    I can’t decide if this made him a keeper or raised his value enough that offers will be good enough to tempt Loweinni. I am enjoying the moment after that little trip to the distant past, but man it is hard on the brain being an Oilers fan!

  11. Smarmy says:

    Good for Sam. Game for the ages. That said, this is a site that talks about having the long view and adequate sample sizes, so to see posters saying this should change the way the Oilers look at Gagner or that he’s reached a new level or even directly (or indirectly) sticking it to Traktor because he gets under their skins seems beneath what this site tries to be.

    I’m still a bit skeptical that there is another level that Gagner can reach but I’m fine with the Oilers wanting to see if there is another level in him.

  12. DSF says:

    “If Rangers general manager Glen Sather is interested in reuniting with Ryan Smyth by acquiring Edmonton’s veteran left wing to bolster the attack, the feeling may well be a reciprocal one, The Post has learned.

    A well-placed source told The Post that Smyth, who was drafted sixth overall in 1994 by Sather and then played the first five years under his direction while he was general manager of the Oilers, would give serious consideration to waiving his no-move clause in order to pursue a Cup on Broadway.”

    http://tinyurl.com/6ljwo24

  13. D says:

    I readily admit that Samwise shut me up last night. Was never a fan of Gagner and now I get to eat a dose of humble pie. Even last night before the points onslaught, during one of the early power plays, Gagner was in front of the net and the shot from the point hit him rather than reach the goalie – I said there goes Sam again, can’t even get out of his own way. Then he turned into Wayne Coffey for the rest of the night…

  14. DeadmanWaking says:

    Nice finale. I like this version better. Mr Cellophane snaps out of it, plugs the flamboyant Billy Flynn eight times (he had it coming), then runs off with Velma Kelly (Zeta-Jones) and they live out the rest of their days “with glamor, high style and the delicious confidence the world forces on you when you are one of its most beautiful inhabitants” (Ebert, from his least searchable review).

    On ESPN, Ebs is now the league-leading winger in the PTS/G column at 1.06, just a hair ahead of Sedin and Hossa, and all he gets is a line on page 13. How fickle is fame?

    Honestly, it’s the first game all season where I’ve been at my keyboard and not at least checked the box scores between periods. Missed the entire spectacle. All I got was the big fat headline in the morning paper.

  15. Bos8 says:

    I’m reminded of an old Cossack joke.

    The kid is standing guard in a Cossack encampment surrounded by Tartar hordes. All of a sudden there’s a cry “Help, Help”.
    Everyone jumps up, weapons in hand. Comes the cry again “Help, I’ve caught a Tartar”
    “Well, bring him in”
    “He won’t let me”

    Yep, you give Sam a suicidal 90 mph winger, a thinking man’s hockey player and the Chicago defense and he’s great. Other teams won’t let him.

    I cringe to say this but Barker made some nice passes and looked faster.

    Whitney was almost Whitney. According to Renney, he’s skating pain free. If this is true, when Gilbert comes back, all of a sudden we have a defense and Renney is about to become a genius.

  16. nathan says:

    LT, This being Feb. 3rd, thought you’d have an old timey photo of waking up to Andy MacDowell after finally mastering everything in sight, sculpting a beauty on ice, and befriending everyone in town.

    Something is different.

    Good or bad?

    Anything different is good…

    but this could be real good.

  17. DeadmanWaking says:

    LT, your images are sublime without my help, but this one is priceless:
    http://www.pricescope.com/files/images/Mr_-Cellophane.jpg
    One mitt for goals, another for assists.

  18. nathan says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    And buried on page 14 (thought DSF would have mentioned it by now) guess who moved in the PTS/G column to .92 a hair ahead of Segin’s .90 (on the #1 scoring team)

  19. Rondo says:

    This reminds me of the so called “global warming” it is hot one day and everyone comes out see see global warming.

    I’m happy for Sam he had a night he will never forget. But this does not change my mind about him. He is still small and I would trade him for the right price.

  20. bookje says:

    Sam Gagner scored the same number of goals in two periods as Dustin Penner has scored since his trade to LA.

  21. Ribs says:

    Gregor with some great post-game quotes over at Oilers Nation

  22. DSF says:

    nathan,

    I actually have Hall at .93 and Seguin at .89.

    Amazes me though how much credence is being lent to a sample size of 1.

  23. striatic says:

    Smarmy,

    if the same people haven’t been saying for *years* that people need to be looking at Gagner’s fundamentals and consider his age, then yeah, maybe you could chide them for jumping on this single game performance as proof of anything.

    if RNH’s absence has shown us anything it is that this team is very shallow at C, and the Oilers are not going to be able to trade gagner for a better option there.

    my opinion has always been that the team should be hanging on too their young core, and building out their D through free agency, draft, and trading utility players and draft picks.

    the Oilers can learn a lot about how to do this by looking at the Canucks, who have a strong assortment of D obtained exactly that way. we can look at their failures too. the one time they deviated from that strategy they ended up losing Michael Grabner for Keith Ballard and i believe that’s how a Gagner for D-Man trade would end up looking for the Oil.

  24. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Smarmy,

    Thank you for the voice of reason. Amazing night, but It’s all about the return. This team needs a Canucks style D corps to be a contender. If Gagner’s 8 point night plays a big part of getting there in 2-3 years then it should be strongly considered.
    You have to give to get in the trading game – and yes there’s risk involved. Ouright fleecings are quite rare since Milbury and Clarke got out of the trading game. Sometimes there’s trades that address need for for both teams. To say ST has to get D help without trading Gagner is limiting your options.

  25. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    Gagner excelled in a few areas last night, but one in particular was utilizing Hall’s speed and Eberle’s patience. This team has some incredible individual talent and they will improve in leaps and bounds as they learn to play into eachother’s strengths.

    I’m surprised with the other views on Whitney. While he can move a little more now, he still seemed to lose nearly all the races to the puck. Seems to me he is playing with more knowledge that he is still slow for the time being and is adjusting accordingly by boxing out the opponent and maintaining position. Good on him, but hopefully there’s still a lot of healing still to come.

  26. hunter1909 says:

    SK Oiler Fan: This team needs a Canucks style D corps to be a contender. If Gagner’s 8 point night plays a big part of getting there in 2-3 years then it should be strongly considered.
    You have to give to get in the trading game – and yes there’s risk involved. Ouright fleecings are quite rare since Milbury and Clarke got out of the trading game. Sometimes there’s trades that address need for for both teams. To say ST has to get D help without trading Gagner is limiting your options.

    Yeah riight. Pitkanen for Cole says hi.

  27. striatic says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    yeah but that’s the thing, the Canucks did not get their core D via trade. not saying the Oilers have to do it exactly that way but it is evidence that there are other ways to build out defense than via trade, especially of young assets.

    part of why the 8 point night was so special is that no one in the NHL has done it since 1989. 22 years ago! Sam Gagner wasn’t even *born* the last time someone did this, and not to diminish the accomplishment but i think that fact underlines how young Gagner is.

    Cody Hodgson is having a similar season to Gagner’s over in Vancouver, and they’re essentially the same age… yet Hodgson is lauded as a rookie phenom and Gagner is proposed trade bait. this is crazy to me.

  28. striatic says:

    Edler – Draft
    Bieksa – Draft
    Hamhuis – UFA
    Rome – UFA
    Salo – Obtained for a utility player
    Alberts – Obtained for a pick
    Ballard – Obtained for Michael Grabner and a 1st round pick [dumb]

  29. cabbiesmacker says:

    FastOil:

    I can’t decide if this made him a keeper or raised his value enough that offers will be good enough to tempt Loweinni. I am enjoying the moment after that little trip to the distant past, but man it is hard on the brain being an Oilers fan!

    Either or? It’s just nice to have decent options for a change. The bigger question might be how much it’s going to cost to re-sign him if he’s thought of as a viable option for the next 5 years.

    Sample sizes still have to be measured in seasons or large parts of however, and this was one game against a good team having an off night. If a light has come on for Sam then lets see it against some of the teams mentioned above, notably Calgary and Vancouver. Lets not overlook how a top 2 C combo of RNH and Sam might match up against the better teams for the next 3-5 years. I’m from Missouri.

  30. Ducey says:

    Anyone notice Whitney get the monkey off his back?

    TSN said that this was the first 8 point game in 24 years!! The last was Super Mario in 1988.

    Maybe Hemsky was playing the toughs but he was brutal on the PP. He had the puck mulitple times at the top of the circle and simply put it back to the point. The one time he shoots he is actually playing the point and stands around deep. He was the guy caught on the shorty.

    Good news the Oilers might be able to rent out Ryan Smyth to the Rangers.

    The Samwise 8 has convinced me the Oilers should move Hemsky and keep Gagner. Then bring in a couple of freeagents in the offseason to audition in the top 6. Guys with some size and experience Offer them them a chance to play with the kids.

  31. Woodguy says:

    Renney will have 89 back on the wing within 5 games.

    He might even be back with 20 within 10 games.

    That’s how Renney rolls.

    I bet that within 3 games he’s not playing with either 14 or 4.

    I like the idea of the 14-93 and 4-89 tandems, but Renney won’t do it.

  32. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Two of the Oilers next three games are against the Redwings.

    They totally dominated Vancouver last night , outshooting them 43-25 causing Vigneault to split up the Sedins.

    That should provide a good measuring stick.

  33. art vandelay says:

    So now he’s a key building block?
    Check the standings. You’re a BJ away from a third consecutive No. 1 pick.
    When your team is reaching historical levels of cr@pitude, support players like Gagner should always be available, esp after that highly entertaining night.
    Did everybody forget the first period where Barker basically fell down trying to turn right? The guy is barely a rec-hockey Dman, much less than NHL D. Your nominal No. 1D just scored his first goal since Mulroney was Prime Minister. The rest of the guys back there are 3s or worse. And the goaltending is AHL calibre.
    Gagner’s trade value will never, ever be higher than it is today.

  34. Woodguy says:

    Hemsky was awful.

    Horcoff was awful.

    Hesmky’s been good to very good away from Horcoff this year, and dismal with him by my eye.

    I like Horcoff, but he’s not what he used to be and offense is drying up around him.

  35. Bar_Qu says:

    Mackenzie was tweeting last night how Gagner is a natural centre who needs to be playing with skill guys in order for him to continue to have success in the league. Keeping him with Hall and leaving Eberle and Nuge together is the nucleus of two very good lines. Making 10 & 20 the centers for the other two lines just makes sense. You can sort out the extra wingers from there easily enough.

    OTOH, I can’t believe I am letting myself get sucked into one these circular discussions again…

  36. Ducey says:

    Amazes me though how much credence is being lent to a sample size of 1

    I have thought Gagner has looked real good for a month or so.

    I am not as good at the math as some around here but he has a +6.5 Rel Corsi while playing against second line competition with third line teammates. Thats a full season sample size.

    For a 22 year old, that sounds good to me.

  37. Jordan says:

    DSF: Two of the Oilers next three games are against the Redwings.
    They totally dominated Vancouver last night , outshooting them 43-25 causing Vigneault to split up the Sedins.
    It’s going to be painful to watch this team get beaten with a stick.

    There – fixed it for you.

  38. russ99 says:

    Gotta give Renney some credit. He really took the reins off since the all-star break.

    Maybe he got the message, players were tuning out his system. Let’s hope it continues…

  39. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF:
    cabbiesmacker,

    Two of the Oilers next three games are against the Redwings.

    They totally dominated Vancouver last night , outshooting them 43-25causing Vigneault to split up the Sedins.

    That should provide a good measuring stick.

    If he doesn’t get 8 per game he’s outa here.

    Seriously tho, if the kid can measure up against tougher comp for longer periods then building the future gets a whole lot easier.

    We still gave up a ton of shots last night which isn’t all on the D, and got a good but not great night in goal. Lots of work to do yet and it’s going to be real interesting how ST handles the next few months.

  40. nelson88 says:

    SK Oiler Fan: Smarmy, Thank you for the voice of reason. Amazing night, but It’s all about the return. This team needs a Canucks style D corps to be a contender. If Gagner’s 8 point night plays a big part of getting there in 2-3 years then it should be strongly considered.You have to give to get in the trading game – and yes there’s risk involved. Ouright fleecings are quite rare since Milbury and Clarke got out of the trading game. Sometimes there’s trades that address need for for both teams. To say ST has to get D help without trading Gagner is limiting your options.

    Interesting comment as I have often thought that the Oilers need to get to a Canucks level of D to compete with the upper echelon. However; I also don’t think there is that much of a difference currently if; and I realize this is a huge IF when it comes to Whitney, the Oilers D is healthy. that seemingly runs counter to most people’s view which is fair enough.

    The Canucks have good quality and depth but no significant “star power” on D. Are their top 3 really that much better than Whitney, Gilbert and Smid? The keys for the Oilers is whether Whitney’s ankle can get back to 100% and finding/developing a strong #4 before the window closes and contracts for the top 3D expire and/or they can’t afford the forwards. Lastly they need to build the organizational depth (as Vancouver did last year) for a long playoff run. The addition of Potter and natural maturation of Tuebert, Plante, etc., etc. demonstrate that is not overly difficult and already in process. Hell. sign a Barker reclemation project as the #7/#8 for next year if you can do it cheaply enough.

    Obviously it is very hard to tell the future w/r/t Whtiney’s ankle so that is the tricky part. I don’t believe it should take a “back up the truck” haul to find a good #4. Gleason would have been nice and only cost $$. A young guy with a good ceiling and on the verge of breaking through ala Smid circa 2010 (Sbisa, Kulikov,). No doubt not growing on trees but some combination of Hemsky, high level prospect, 2013 1st round pick must surely be enough to plug that hole.

    It is frustrating as hell to watch the valleys but the Oilers are making progress. Yes, they need help at D but it isn’t that bad. The worst mistake would be to become so fixated on it that they send the team into 2012 unbalanced yet again.

  41. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    A this point, I would play the hell out of him with Hall and Eberle and let him decide his own fate.

    I doubt Renney goes that route, as Woodguy mentions, but it should provide a clearer picture of that the team has in Gagner.

    The worst thing that could happen is Lowe/Tambellini keep him and overpay him based on a very short stretch of success.

  42. Smarmy says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Mackenzie was tweeting last night how Gagner is a natural centre who needs to be playing with skill guys in order for him to continue to have success in the league. Keeping him with Hall and leaving Eberle and Nuge together is the nucleus of two very good lines. Making 10 & 20 the centers for the other two lines just makes sense.You can sort out the extra wingers from there easily enough.

    OTOH,I can’t believe I am letting myself get sucked into one these circular discussions again…

    I can see that but the thing is. Taylor Hall doesn’t need Sam Gagner. Doesn’t mean you get rid of Sam Gagner but you have to structure his pay scale to insure he’s paid like the complementary player he is. Save the money for the guys who drive the team.

    Only reason I mention that is because I think Lowe and his motley crew were terrible at signing their guys to extensions. Tambillini is kind of a mixed bag when it comes to contracts. I think if they decide to keep Gagner they’ll be overpaying him. I also believe that to keep Hemsky it’s going to take a sizeable contract in both terms and length that few here would feel good about it.

  43. tubes says:

    Woodguy,

    Hemsky and Horcoff played against Toews and Kane all night. Thornton and Marleau could look “awful” against them. Hemsky did give up on a couple plays though…

  44. Smarmy says:

    tubes:
    Woodguy,

    Hemsky and Horcoff played against Toews and Kane all night. Thornton and Marleau could look “awful” against them. Hemsky did give up on a couple plays though…

    Horcoff had this one awful pass in the first period where Hall sent him in with speed and he circled around the Hawks net and sent the lamest pass to the defensemen. It was so slow that the Hawks defender caught up to it and got an odd man rush the other way.

  45. Captain Obvious says:

    Woodguy,

    I’m afraid you are right. I have infinite faith in Renney’s ability to screw up lineup construction.

  46. bendelson says:

    Horc is struggling – there is no doubt. Hemsky is a different case. Last night is another example of extremely lackluster play. I don’t care who he is playing against 5×5 – effort should not be the issue! His time on the PP was a joke. At one point they were playing 4×4 on the PP as Hemsky stood in the corner eventually sauntering out to the blue line to stand 4 ft from another Oiler.

    If he had a little try in his game I would back off but I just don’t see it. Hell even that hockey genius Darren Pang called him out last night for bailing out CONSTANTLY.

  47. Ducey says:

    Lebrun is reporting that the Wings are no longer interested in Hemsky given his recent wimpass play. Apparently NSH and LA are still interested.

    Doesn’t sound like the market is as strong for Ales as it could have been.

  48. Woodguy says:

    tubes:
    Woodguy,

    Hemsky and Horcoff played against Toews and Kane all night. Thornton and Marleau could look “awful” against them. Hemsky did give up on a couple plays though…

    Last CHI game 4,89,83 outchanced Toews/Hossa.

    10,83 had a tough game. They may get beat, but they shouldn’t get buried, and they were buried.

  49. SK Oiler Fan says:

    striatic,

    True enough, but if they’re wating on 3 or 4 of Tuebert, Plante, Klefbom, Musil, and Marincin to get them to a contender level D corps they truly are in KLowes year 2 of a 6 year rebuild.
    Smid, Gilbert, Petry, Potter – yep sure they’re a big part of getting there. Whitney – who knows? It’s the other 3-4 D plus 3 injury fill in D this team needs to hammer down yet.

    The other thing to think about is that of course you can only dress 6 or 7 D at a time. IMO those 6 or 7 D need to be all above average defenders and you need at least 2 that are approaching the level of an elite defender to be a contender.
    Point taken though – trades aren’t the only way to get there.

  50. bendelson says:

    Ducey,

    Based in his recent play, I would suggest any teams continued interest in Hemsky is a clear sign of said teams level of desperation.

    Detroit is out you say? Not surprising – the organization knows what they are doing.

  51. DSF says:

    SUN_TYCHKOWSKI Rob Tychkowski

    “I’ve moved four times in the last five years. I came (to Edmonton) for a reason.” – Ryan Smyth, saying he’s not interested in the Rangers
    8 minutes ago

  52. bookje says:

    Woodguy:
    Hemsky was awful.

    Horcoff was awful.

    Hesmky’s been good to very good away from Horcoff this year, and dismal with him by my eye.

    I like Horcoff, but he’s not what he used to be and offense is drying up around him.

    Were you aware that he makes $7.5 a season?

  53. Woodguy says:

    bookje: Were you aware that he makes $7.5 a season?

    That’s just his cap hit, his salary is like 12MM for the next 52 years.

  54. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy: That’s just his cap hit, his salary is like 12MM for the next 52 years.

    Has anyone ever played 52 years with the same team? Gordie Howe must have been close.

  55. hockeyguy10 says:

    I see Hall and Tambellini are on After Hours this week. @Scott Oake if you have any questions.

  56. oilersfan says:

    Hemsky played poorly last night but was very good against Colorado and Vancouver. I totally agree with Woodguy about playing Gagner with Hall (and I would add Hemsky) with RNH with Eberle and an unnamed LW. Maybe MP can fill that role one day but for next season i would advocate signing Penner to a one year $1.5 or 2 year $3 million if Penner would do that.

    Who is Penner playing with in LA? whoever it is, he needs a playmaking center, he can’t create offence on his own. However, he creates space with his size and I bet would score a lot of garbage goals with those two.

  57. striatic says:

    SK Oiler Fan:
    striatic,
    True enough, but if they’re wating on 3 or 4 of Tuebert, Plante, Klefbom, Musil, and Marincin to get them to a contender level D corps they truly are in KLowes year 2 of a 6 year rebuild.

    that isn’t the case. they are maybe waiting on 2 of those guys to fill the bottom 2 D in the next year or two. probably Plante and Teubert. Plante was actually doing very well n OKC before he got Carcillo’d, and Teubert is pretty far along in his development.

    Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, Barker, Potter, Petry are all decent players. Problem is that only 3 of those guys are top 4, heavy minutes defensemen and Whitney is .. of questionable dependability due to injury.

    a Vancouver style D corps would look something like ..

    ______ + Gilbert
    ______ + Smid
    two of Barker, Potter, Petry, Teubert or Plante

    on the one hand, you can see why Edmonton is so terrible once they get hit with injuries. They only have 2 out of 4 top minutes Dmen.

    .. but on the other hand, it’s only two roster slots and all of Potter, Petry, Klefbom, Musil and the others have a legit chance to fill one of those roles within the next 2 years. maybe even both slots, though i doubt it.

    don’t forget that Whitney is only 28, and is going to be here at least another year. if he fully recovers from his surgeries, which i don’t think we can bank on at this point, the rebuild is a lot farther along.

    if Whitney isn’t ok, you’ve got two years to replace him. land the right UFA to fill the remaining slot and that’s a decently deep D corps. if that doesn’t work, *then* you trade someone like Gagner.

  58. bookje says:

    Woodguy: That’s just his cap hit, his salary is like 12MM for the next 52 years.

    Cap hits and salaries are the same thing. Also, players on two way contracts are not waiver eligible. Lastly, MacT isn’t going anywhere.

  59. oilersfan says:

    can anyone show me how I can find out who Penner is playing with in LA?

  60. delooper says:

    Watch a hockey game that LA is playing in?

  61. striatic says:

    and if they land Suter this summer, which again i doubt but is within the realm of possibility, you’ll see ..

    Whitney, Suter
    Smid, Gilbert
    Barker, Potter
    Petry

    with a bunch of guys coming up behind. admittedly that’s best case scenario though – signing Suter and Whitney bouncing back to 100%.

  62. DBO says:

    So Gregor at ON has a post up about how the Oil have not offered or spoken to Hemsky’s camp about a deal and how he would like to stay but he hasn’t heard from them. I hope this is not true, as it points to the continued lack of communication from the Org to the players. I know Hemmer has struggled, and maybe that means we get a discount, but not even offering or finding out what he wants is crazy. So not feeling confident we do the right things. I hope Katz finds out and kicks some butt. If you want to deal Hemsky for pennies on the dollar then fine. But for a guy who has been your best player until this year and who is finally healthy with his shoulders, you can’t dump him. Sell high and buy low dammit, not the other way around (Tambellin is crazy like a fox). Some GM is gonna fleece us and it’s gonna hurt.

    Hoping to see for Saturday night

    Smyth-RNH-Hemsky
    Hall-Gagner-Eberle

    Protect the kid with some vets, and let the Gagner gang run wild. One of them will get softer comp, and both lines are set up to outscore weaker comp. You then have Horc-Jones with someone else taking on a checking role. Ideally MPS gets brought up and Lander sent down. Run MPS-Horc-Jones. MPS is responsible in his own zone, and his speed will add an element of attack to the two checkers. Be a bigger Dvorak and I’ll be happy, especially if we resign Hemsky and actually try for a playoff spot instead of heading into year 2 of the rebuild (for the 3rd year in a row)

  63. Woodguy says:

    oilersfan:
    can anyone show me how I can find out who Penner is playing with in LA?

    Go to leftwinglock.com and click on “Line Combinations”

  64. Woodguy says:

    hockeyguy10:
    I see Hall and Tambellini are on After Hours this week. @Scott Oake if you have any questions.

    Tambellini is the most uncomfortable interview subject and Oake is The Master of the uncomfortable question.

    I will set the PVR for sure, thanks for the heads up.

    Also,

    Over/under on the number of times v3.2 re-asks himself the question in his answer is set at 12.

  65. DBO says:

    woodguy: depends on the # of questions. I think a good guess will be 1.5 repeats per questions asked. Now I know this moves into the advanced stats category and that can be a touchy subject. But I think it’s a better measure of Tambellini’s effectiveness on After Hours.

  66. Woodguy says:

    I want Scott Oake to ask Tambellini:

    “How do you feel about Bill Torrey feeling about trading you away from a Stanley Cup Dynasty after their first cup”

  67. Woodguy says:

    DBO:
    woodguy: depends on the # of questions. I think a good guess will be 1.5 repeats per questions asked. Now I know this moves into the advanced stats category and that can be a touchy subject. But I think it’s a better measure of Tambellini’s effectiveness on After Hours.

    Good point.

    V3.2′s RQ/15 is usally 15.2/15, but with Hall involved he probably won’t get as much Camera time.

    * RQ/60 = re-questioning per 15 minutes of interview time. Its a big number, but v3.2 is king of the short answer (when you exclude the re-question portion)

  68. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    I want Scott Oake to ask Tambellini:

    “How do you feel about Bill Torrey feeling about trading you away from a Stanley Cup Dynasty after their first cup”

    The edit function shouldn’t have a timer dammit!
    t

  69. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy: Tambellini is the most uncomfortable interview subject and Oake is The Master of the uncomfortable question.I will set the PVR for sure, thanks for the heads up.Also,Over/under on the number of times v3.2 re-asks himself the question in his answer is set at 12.

    I sent this:bh@hockeyguy_10 @ScottOake Can you ask ST why the Oilers haven’t approached Hemsky yet when he has publicly stated he wants to stay.

  70. Lowetide says:

    yet another post caught in the spam, this time it is a double link (above). That must be it, more links than copy.

  71. Master Lok says:

    I know that there’s a fair amount of criticism and doubt on Barker, but by my eye this season, I’m fine with resigning him for next season. I’ve seen Peckham bad, Potter has dropped, Petry is inconsistent (there’s a lot P’s). Barker is slow, but holds onto the puck and has a decent outlet pass. That’s better than fast and a high turnover machine imo.

  72. Gerta Rauss says:

    Master Lok,

    I’m not a huge Barker fan but I haven’t “seen him bad” as most folks around here..he’s been vanilla useful at best. My problem is the qualifying offer-the next contract starts at $2.25 and then add term. Is that what we want for a 3rd pairing defenceman..? I haven’t seen anything that suggests he should be playing 2nd pairing minutes.

    We need 2 established NHL defenceman to go with Smid and Gilbert. We’ve got enough candidates to play 3rd pairing and pressbox and that’s not even counting the kids that will be pushing for minutes next year.

  73. nathan says:

    hockeyguy10: I sent this:bh@hockeyguy_10 @ScottOake Can you ask ST why the Oilers haven’t approached Hemsky yet when he has publicly stated he wants to stay.

    Of course Oake asks Hall rather than Tambellini.

  74. Brett Gee says:

    I thought the management was happy with the defense. I mean, they were talking playoffs at the beginning of the season. What ever gave them the idea that the defense wouldn’t be compete even if Cam Barker joined the fold?

    Gagner is a tough little cookie that can move the puck around. It’s clearly visible that he his holding his own in the physicality department these days. I don’t think the size thing is as big of a deal as people used to worry about. Plus, he’s now on pace to have a career high in scoring… i think.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Brett Gee:
    I thought the management was happy with the defense.I mean, they were talking playoffs at the beginning of the season.What ever gave them the idea that the defense wouldn’t be compete even if Cam Barker joined the fold?

    Gagner is a tough little cookie that can move the puck around.It’s clearly visible that he his holding his own in the physicality department these days.I don’t think the size thing is as big of a deal as people used to worry about.Plus, he’s now on pace to have a career high in scoring… i think.

    All the MSM have stated they want to trade 83 or 89 for a top 4 Dman.

  76. DeadmanWaking says:

    If Tambi was twitching his trigger finger earlier last week, that snowman could have been run up on the out-of-jersey scoreboard. Wonder if Tambi wet himself.

    Sozzled: Samday you’ll regret losing me.
    Plotzed: It’s “someday” you old drunk.
    Sozzled: Samday you’ll regret … losing me.

    On another note, concerning Samwise the Stouthearted: “Rose bore a record thirteen children, beating Adamanta Chubb, the wife of the Old Took, by one.” Not all in one night, Sam! Pace yourself. “Rose wanted me to try for one more … but my weak ankle finally gave out.”

    Adamantium Chubb? Tolkien, you old dog! Arrrufff. City folk seem to define that term differently. I grew in the foothills, and for me a chub was one of these:
    http://jimcartertruckparts.com/Showcase/images/1937_logging_truck.jpg
    Going over the top to Lake Louise there were all those logging truck run-outs, in case of brake failure.

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