Coach Renney

Tonight, in full view of microphones attached to the outside world, Tom Renney said the following: “It doesn’t take many for the wrong approach, wrong attitude, wrong give a shit to make its way thru your dressing rm.” #Oilers Tom Renney.

Which means Tom Renney is in the same spot as MacT three years ago. And it puts us right back here.

 

 

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  1. Traktor says:

    If Renney was pissed about a few of his players tonight it would likely show up in the TOI.

    Belanger, Horcoff, Hemsky, Smyth and Jones all seen significantly less minutes tonight. Jones and Belanger played on the 4th line so that would account for some of the missed time.

    It looks like Renney wasn’t happy with the veterans.

  2. Brett Gee says:

    I like that he finally let it out tonight. No more “we’ll teach Barker how to play hockey” or “We just need to be patient” stuff. Finally, a little emotion and a little honesty.

    As far as Horcoff’s comments, where have we heard this before? He’s been saying the same thing over and over again for the last 3 years! Get some freakin’ intensity and consistency already!

    It would be easy to put the blame on Renney and the players. However, the simple fact that this team has sucked forever is the main reason why they are finally cracking. You cannot purposely tank and expect it not to effect your players.

    I would hope for a major changes for next season. If you’re not going to fire Tambellini then the guy has to at least get some fresh faces in the room so that they can learn how to lose as well. Takes some of the pressure off of Horcoff.

    Would a guy like Horcoff even remember how winning feels?

  3. Brett Gee says:

    ‎”We’ve got a few people who need to take a look in the mirror.” – Renney.

    Fair enough. Horcoff needs to look in a mirror and remember that he’s played on a loser team his whole life.

  4. Traktor says:

    Looking at just the 5×5 minutes Renney didn’t really minimize that much TOI to anyone. He gave a big push to the kid line though.

    Weird. You would think if he had something to say he would have done it using the only currency that a coach has – TOI.

    I guess that tells us that there was so many players mail it in that he couldn’t single any of them out without playing the kid line 60 minutes.

  5. "Steve Smith" says:

    Traktor,

    I think he blames Khabibulin.

  6. Brett Gee says:

    I’ve got a question. What’s the deal with this line matching business? Is it really all that important, and if so, would there be any logical reason for Renney to completely ignore it?

    Sorry, Im a little ignorant on the subject, but it seems to come up a lot after home games. Losing 8 of 9 at home… geez.

    On the 4×4 I noticed he put Ryan Jones out there. What on earth would be the reason to give a sheet of open ice to Ryan Jones instead of just about anyone else?

  7. "Steve Smith" says:

    Brett Gee,

    Well, if you accept that different players are best used in different roles, it follows that putting players in those roles (which presumably includes quality of competition – as a concept, not as any specific statistical measure) is a useful aspect of coaching. Line-matching is the mechanism by which coaches control quality of competition.

    You don’t have to be a stat-head to believe in line-matching…the Anecdotalists would point to Esa Tikkanen shutting down Wayne Gretzky. But only when they were on the ice together.

  8. Brett Gee says:

    I guess my other question would be do a lot of other coaches ignore line matching as much as Renney? Did he line match in New York? WTF is going on here, for starters?

  9. Traktor says:

    The usually suspects are still facing BTN’s toughest QC so to say that Renney never matches lines is probably wrong.

    The kids are definitely getting a push in the offensive zone which is just as important as matching lines (even more so IMO).

    Basically Ozone starts and QC tell us Renney is doing a lot more than simply rolling lines.

    Renney might need to go but not because of how he matches or doesn’t match lines.

  10. bookje says:

    I posted this at the end of the game thread, but it fits better here.

    He mentions that he went to a funeral yesterday – I suspect that it was a meaningful one to him and he is carrying some of that emotion. He looks shook up right after he says ‘I went to a funeral yesterday’. If that is the case, I suspect that it won’t affect management’s opinion about him at all.

  11. LMHF#1 says:

    Renney chalking this up to effort shows just how little he’s been paying attention to his own team this year. His breakout schemes and offensive set up get beat by every team that sticks 5 in the middle in the defensive zone and covers the boards in the offensive zone.

    I thought this guy was supposed to be smart. It doesn’t make sense.

  12. D says:

    I’ll be happy when Renney is gone.

    It’s simple really, the Edmonton market is not one that has much patience for “defence first” hockey. I know that the general consensus is that defence first hockey makes sense (see: http://oilersnation.com/2011/10/21/defence-first-eat-your-broccoli), but any coach that tries to turn the Edmonton Oilers into a defence first hockey team should be fired on the spot.

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Tom.

  13. D says:

    Just to pile on a little more, I found this dandy from an article when Renney was fired from the Rangers. “Renney’s defense-first approach has been criticized, and he also has been questioned for relying too much on veterans, not being enough of a disciplinarian and juggling his lines too frequently.” Sound familiar?

    Here is the article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/129775-rangers-fire-coach-tom-renney

  14. BlacqueJacque says:

    D, what, exactly, is it about the Oilers that makes us immune to playing defence? The Oilers of today have absolutely nothing in common with the Oilers of the early 2000s, the 90s, or the 80s. Different players, the league has different rules, the players (especially goalies) have different gear, they train different, the strategies teams play are different…

    There’s nothing mystical about the Oilers, no such thing as “Oiler hockey”. There sure as hell isn’t a spirit of Gretzky, Messier, Kurri floating around the dressing room telling people to score 5 goals per game.

    The only connection the current Oilers have with the glory days is the delusions of fans who somehow think we’ll ever get back to that style of play.

    And please, name me one – just one – “offence first” coach. I guarantee that within 5 minutes I’ll find a half dozen “we have to play defence”, and “defence wins games” quotes from any coach in the league.

  15. BlacqueJacque says:

    BTW, LT, shame on you for perpetuating this Renney-is-getting-to-the-end-of-his-rope BS. There’s no reason Edmonton can’t have someone with the tenure and job security of a Barry Trotz, Lindy Ruff, or Mike Babcock. Well, other than irresponsible media folks perpetuating the myth that we can’t, and giving voice to idiotic fans whose solution to everything is firing a coach.

  16. Woodguy says:

    Traktor:
    Looking at just the 5×5 minutes Renney didn’t really minimize that much TOI to anyone. He gave a big push to the kid line though.

    Weird. You would think if he had something to say he would have done it using the only currency that a coach has – TOI.

    I guess that tells us that there was so many players mail it in that he couldn’t single any of them out without playing the kid line 60 minutes.

    23-89-83 missed two shifts in the 3rd. 89 and 83 were about 3min off their usual 5v5 TOI, and there wasn’t that many penalties.

    In terms of matching, Renney knows how, but his choices are odd.

    Look at the Dmen’s TOI vs. Thornton last night:

    Petry 13.4min
    Smid 12.5min
    Potter 2.6min
    Sutton 2.4min
    Whitney 2.3min
    Shultz 1.1min

    Interesting that Renney his his “Calming Vet D-pair” from Thornton as much as he could.

    I find it inexplicable that Renney is at home and lets 4-93-14 get the shit kicked out of them by the Marleau line all night.

    He matches 10 to Thornton hard, but lets Marleau own the kids (who were out shot horribly by the Marleau line)

    You would think that he’d put 89-83 there at home.

    That being said, 23-89-83 saw mostly Moore’s line, along with Murray and Boyle.

    You would hope that line would out shoot a checking line, but they didn’t . Didn’t get buried like 93′s line, but not going positive in the shooting column against Moore, Wingels and Mitchell is just as bad.

    The Oilers break out was non-existent.

    Forwards too far away from the D and covered.

    DIdn’t look like a well coached team, just a team that fled the zone as soon as a Dman had the puck and made them force a low percentage pass almost every time.

    No flow.

    No fun to watch either.

  17. rich says:

    Renney’s reputation is that he’s patient, a teacher and a nice guy. I can’t help but think that at some point in time guys will take advantage of this (who cares, we’re still going to finish 29th or 30th) with either poor or indifferent play. And it seems that the team has reached this point with him.

    Not saying that it’s time to bring back Quinn (OTC) but the next coach of the Oilers needs to be someone who will instill accountability. This seems to be the essential ingredient lacking since the final season of MacT and without it, we will not begin to climb the ladder back to respectability.

    I would just prefer if 3.5 would not hire yet another person from his Vancouver connections. It’s not as if they proved anything in the years he was there.

  18. Woodguy says:

    BlacqueJacque,

    Barry Trotz,
    Lindy Ruff
    Mike Babcock
    Tom Renney

    One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn’t belong.

    There’s no reason Edmonton can’t have someone with the tenure and job security of a Barry Trotz, Lindy Ruff, or Mike Babcock.

    You mean like MacT coaching here for 9 years?

  19. Woodguy says:

    rich,

    Last night I was kinda hoping for an OTC “trying to pass the puck into the net” tirade.

    22 shots is just brutal.

  20. Woodguy says:

    5v5 TOI DMen

    Whitney 21:17
    Petry 20:30
    Smid 18:22
    Potter 18:59
    Shultz 17:11
    Sutton 15:16

    So the one legged Dman plays the most.

    The calming presence vet who cost your TOI leader to acquire is 5th….again.

  21. Woodguy says:

    Playing 44 more more minutes than 15 is more inexplicable than letting Marleau beat the crap out of 93 all night.

  22. pboy says:

    Did anyone notice Taylor Hall’s reaction after he scored last night? He didn’t have one. Usually he’s pretty demonstrative after a goal but last night he deadpanned it.

    I hope the kids are getting frustrated with the constant losing. I hope that they can’t stand what’s going on and they use this to fuel themselves into becoming even better players. I really hope they don’t get so frustrated that one of them demands a trade out of here.

    It’s time to put the best team possible on the ice and really try to win. If not, one of these kids is going to force his way out of here and that will open the floodgates.

    I like to listen to Renney, he says everything you would want to hear from your Head Coach but it’s just not translating to what’s on the ice.

  23. russ99 says:

    Woodguy – Schultz logged only just under 2 minutes less than the only guy he could replace, Potter.

    And I don’t see Schultz making the mistakes with the puck that Potter did last night.

    Maybe Renney thinks that he’s not versed enough in the “system” yet. You know, the one that’s sure to go out the window by next season.

  24. Ducey says:

    Horcoff needs to look in a mirror and remember that he’s played on a loser team his whole life.

    I could have sworn he played on a Western Conference champion team at some point.

  25. DBO says:

    I wonder if we will start to hear the dreaded “rift in the room” between the kids and the old guard. All indications are that the team is tight, but as the season wears on and the losing piles up, I wonder if the inequality in TOI (starting to fix itself) and more importantly accountability, will wear on the relationships. Anyone who has been part of a team knows that by seasons end you know who is driving the bus, and if the coach gives way too much of a free pass to certain players whose play haven’t earned it, the other guys get frustrated. PBoy is right, if it continues one of them will Rick Nash it in the next few years.

    A lot of the old guard are gone (I think Willis did a review of the turnover, and almost all of them from the cup run are gone), but if you truly want to signal a new beginning of attitude and winning, maybe this off season you start with handing the C to Hall. he is the most passionate guy on the roster, and if you want to ensure he sticks around and owns the team, you give him and the kids the reigns. This will be made easy by buying out Horcoff’s contract this summer if there is an amnesty clause.

    Give the kids the team. Chicago did it with Toews, Dallas did it with Morrow (and Modano was still there). Hand Hall the C, do it loud and proud with a presser, and signal the “new beginning of winning”. Forget the “Fail for Nail”, enter the “New beginning of Winning”. Oh to dream.

  26. gcw_rocks says:

    LT:

    You recently noted you thought bringing MacT back was a good idea (and certainly Woodguy would be there with you with the Welcome Wagon basket in hand). And yet…

    In one of the articles you linked to, you said this about MacT:

    “The new GM should make sure there are enough veterans, that there is balance on the roster and that development doesn’t become the main goal of a season.”

    Man, that does not sound like a place the Oilers will be in next year. This is a 29th place team that damn well better improve, but there will be lots of teaching left to do. I think MacT is a great coach for a veteran team, and therefore I concur with your quote from a few years ago. He would be great to replace Dale Hunter in Washington, or Lindy Ruff in Buffalo, or Sutter in LA if they blow out the entire management team this summer. I absolutely do not think he is the right coach for the Oilers team at this stage of thier development.

    So, what has changed your perceptions of MacT from then to now?

  27. Ribs says:

    Aw, c’mon. No one is going to blame the medical staff for bringing Renney back too early from his head injury? Mood swings are a post-concussion syndrome symptom!

  28. D says:

    The Edmonton market.

    BlacqueJacque:
    D, what, exactly, is it about the Oilers that makes us immune to playing defence?

  29. pboy says:

    You didn’t hear too many complaints from the coaching staff or the players when the season started and the team was winning. It’s almost like there is some correlation between winning and people’s general attitudes. How in the fuck Lowe and Tambellini receive money for their “hockey expertise” is mind boggling to me. Someone needs to wake Darryl Katz up already.

  30. bookje says:

    pboy:
    Did anyone notice Taylor Hall’s reaction after he scored last night? He didn’t have one. Usually he’s pretty demonstrative after a goal but last night he deadpanned it.

    I noticed it, but it looked to me like he was totally gassed and simply out of oxygen, thats all.

  31. pboy says:

    bookje: I noticed it, but it looked to me like he was totally gassed and simply out of oxygen, thats all.

    I hope you’re right. He had definitely just skated his ass off to get to that puck.

  32. bookje says:

    DBO,

    NHL players are a prideful bunch and I would think that guys like Horcoff, Smyth, Hemsky, and others are tired of slogging the tough minutes so that the kids get the glory and they age prematurely.

  33. DBO says:

    bookje:
    DBO,

    NHL players are a prideful bunch and I would think that guys like Horcoff, Smyth, Hemsky, and others are tired of slogging the tough minutes so that the kids get the glory and they age prematurely.

    agreed, why I wonder if there is or will be a rift. Both seem or may be resentful of the other.

  34. hunter1909 says:

    Obviously the veterans have en mass decided to mail it in for the rest of the season. Who can blame these guys? It’s not like they’re accountable for their play. That’s Renney’s job, lol.

    Barry Trotz needs to be handed the keys to the city, lured away from Nashville by the highest salary offer in the NHL. Dude’s like a coach that’s been designed perfectly for the young oilers.

    I hope they don’t hire Mark Messier.

    Nice goal allowed by Flubnyk in the opening minutes of the game. He must be popular in that(suddenly explosive) dressing room.

    Re the Vets v kids debate: Fuck the “vets”. They’re second and third rate players, with either so little talent or accomplishments or else so close to being washed up that every last one of them could dissappear and no one but the most fanatical would miss them.

    The team is about the kids, and only a fool would think otherwise. Horcoff should have his C ripped from his chest in a centre ice ceremony set up like the opening of that Chuck Connors tv western “Branded”.

  35. pboy says:

    You’re millionaires.

    Suck it up and play hockey.

    - Tom Renney.

    This annoys me to no end. Hey Tom, you”re a millionaire too and professional hockey coach. You get your lunch eaten almost every game by the opposing coaches, home and away. Suck it up and start fucking line matching.

  36. ashley says:

    I think Renney was done in the offseason independent of last night’s comments. All part of the grand plan.

    I will say that it is a shame that the Oilers missed out on Hitchcock who was sitting in the wings forever. A great man, great hockey mind, and and Edmonton boy. Jesus.

    MacT would be good though. Dare to dream?

  37. hunter1909 says:

    Ribs:
    Aw, c’mon. No one is going to blame the medical staff for bringing Renney back too early from his head injury? Mood swings are a post-concussion syndrome symptom!

    Who shot that puck that concussed Renney? I doubt if it wasn’t intentional.

  38. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks,

    I think if MacT comes back, its in a managerial capacity.

    I don’t think you can bring him back as coach.

    Also,

    Anyone who has been part of a team knows that by seasons end you know who is driving the bus, and if the coach gives way too much of a free pass to certain players whose play haven’t earned it, the other guys get frustrated. PBoy is right, if it continues one of them will Rick Nash it in the next few years.

    I think the Oilers are getting to (or are at) that tipping point that separates the CHI/WAS/PIT rebuilds from the CBJ/ATL/NYI rebuilds.

    Adding players to help win rather than to help lose.

    The accountability for what happens on the ice starts in the GM suite.

  39. hunter1909 says:

    ashley: MacT would be good though. Dare to dream?

    I suppose if they revert to making these kind of foolhardy moves I’ll save a lot of time in future, not bothering with this shit franchise, while you can spend hours on cold winter nights, dissecting why the team’s underachieving.

    Boy, for the coach oiler’s fans were perpetually being told “would get an NHL gig handed to him in a Cincinnati second”, MacT sure is doing well in the AHL.

  40. Traktor says:

    Woodguy:
    5v5 TOI DMen

    Whitney 21:17
    Petry 20:30
    Smid 18:22
    Potter 18:59
    Shultz 17:11
    Sutton 15:16

    So the one legged Dman plays the most.

    The calming presence vet who cost your TOI leader to acquire is 5th….again.

    Big Ben ect.

    Would you like the trade more if Schultz played 25 minutes and finished -2 with no points?

    Schultz has 4 points in 7 games and is +1

    The coaching staff might not be playing him enough but losing Gilbert isn’t the big deal that you make it out to be. Yeah played a lot. Great. So does Horcoff.

  41. ashley says:

    hunter1909: I suppose if they revert to making these kind of foolhardy moves I’ll save a lot of time in future, not bothering with this shit franchise, while you can spend hours on cold winter nights, dissecting why the team’s underachieving.

    Boy, for the coach oiler’s fans were perpetually being told “would get an NHL gig handed to him in a Cincinnati second”, MacT sure is doing well in the AHL.

    I think that is you disagreeing with me, but I could be wrong. ;)

    (But we do still have so much else in common….)

  42. misfit says:

    D:
    Just to pile on a little more, I found this dandy from an article when Renney was fired from the Rangers.“Renney’s defense-first approach has been criticized, and he also has been questioned for relying too much on veterans, not being enough of a disciplinarian and juggling his lines too frequently.”Sound familiar?

    Here is the article: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/129775-rangers-fire-coach-tom-renney

    Yes, it sounds very familiar indeed. It’s what people say about EVERY coach when their team is losing.

  43. Traktor says:

    bookje:
    DBO,

    NHL players are a prideful bunch and I would think that guys like Horcoff, Smyth, Hemsky, and others are tired of slogging the tough minutes so that the kids get the glory and they age prematurely.

    If the veterans are resentful that the kids are being put in a position to succeed and jealous that they are capitalizing on their opportunities then the vets should be traded, waived or bought out.

    Horcoff is making 6.5M this year. Suck it up and play.

    Guys like Dom Moore happily take on tough assignments for 1.5M bucks.

  44. Esa10 says:

    Next manager: Ron Hextall
    Next coach: John Stevens

    Hextall is brought in to tell Lowe to shut up once in a while.

    Heard it here first

  45. BlacqueJacque says:

    It’s obvious Renney line matches. Perhaps not the way you want, but he does so. The fact is this team doesn’t have the talent on the back end or the size up front to match up well with other teams.

    We wouldn’t even be in 29th if we hadn’t lost so many defencemen, at the same time, in the middle of the season. Odds are we’d be closer to 10th-11th in the conference and still conceivably in the playoff hunt. Yes, other teams have injuries. No, other teams haven’t had two thirds of their defencemen out all at the same time.

    If you want to pin the blame on someone for this season, pin it on Tambo. All summer we discussed our weakness on defence and he did next to nothing to shore it up. An increasingly failing project in Cam Barker and one decent veteran in Sutton and that was the extent of his offseason activity for the D corps. But even then, if it wasn’t for injuries, the Oilers would still not be this bad.

    As regards their 5-year plan, the Oilers are on schedule. Two years out of the playoffs (this being the second), next year making the playoffs or being damn close, and then contending the two years after that. Of course, if Tambellini doesn’t manage to sign some actual NHL defencemen and get us some depth on the blue line, that isn’t going to happen.

  46. Woodguy says:

    Traktor,

    I was commenting on how the coach was using him.

    I like Shultz.

    I think paying Gilbert was too much though.

    My problem is with how they are doling out ice time.

  47. FastOil says:

    I see the problems that seem to be reoccuring are a reflection of how the organization is being led. When there is a lack of clear direction things go haywire, when there are statements made that don’t bear out on the roster people get frustrated.

    Babcock was mentioned. Would he be as good a coach if his management wasn’t so stable, had created such a enticing environment for players, and been so clear in the team’s direction?

    To succeed over time in such a competitive environment, everyone needs to be very good, top down. Which is why so few teams can do it. I hope the blame game gets put to rest at least in public which I think is part of the problem. It’s been a rough season again, I am sure everyone is frustrated, have another good draft and hopefully some smart moves get made.

  48. DBO says:

    So just talked with a buddy up in Edmonton and he mentioned that on Team 1260 it was mentioned last night after the game that in the dressing room Hemsky was in an argument with someone, and that Smid had thrown something across the room in anger. Anyone else hear that? If true then the room being split and people being pissed is coming true. Bye bye Renney. And man I hope bye bye Tambo.

  49. cabbiesmacker says:

    I get that some are scratching their heads regarding Renney’s employment of players or his line matching but I have zero problem with what the man said about this teams compete level. There is none most nights.

    Some of us have referred to the Oilers being an easy team to play against and last night I halfheartedly took an in jest jab at Woodguy re the 23-89-83 triad not being tough enough to skate through wet kleenex. Little did I know that Gagner would actually do his best to prove me right during the game.

    I feel for Renney. To use the old adage he’s been handed a sows ear and asked to make a silk purse out of it. I have a tough time ripping the guy for his inadequacies as a coach when he’s been handed a lineup like this one from the gathering of cretins above him.

    I could honestly give a rats ass if they just held on to Hall, RNH, Eberle, Smid, Petry, and Schultz and relegated the rest to the SSAC with hopes they can help a Midget AAA team make a run in the playoffs.Useless doesn’t even begin to describe a few of them. I have a passion for minor hockey so I wouldn’t be cruel enough to burden them with anyone from the management team.

    If LowExpectations follows his normal business plan and grants Gagner a 15 year $5M per contract for his uncharacteristic and never to be seen again 3-5 game run it’ll be sad but hardly unexpected. Overcompensating marginal players while casting exceptions to the rule off the cliff has been this teams corporate mandate since the cup run sadly and theres only one man responsible for most of it. Good old Ahab Lowe. the CF looking for a place to happen.

    Simple recipe for success. 1) 86 the mensa candidates running the show.2) Ditch half the players. 3) Force fan base to watch countless Red Wing and Canucks games until they figure out what a real hockey and hockey management team looks like and stop dropping to their knees with mouths agape every time an 80′s Oiler walks by 4) Destroy all historical evidence that there was an 80′s team 5) Lock Rexall doors 3 hours prior to home games – the new Schticky commercial has more entertainment value.

  50. Ducey says:

    I will say that it is a shame that the Oilers missed out on Hitchcock who was sitting in the wings forever. A great man, great hockey mind, and and Edmonton boy. Jesus.

    Hitchcock is a good coach for a team like St Louis that has lots of vets and not a lot of holes but that needs a kick in the ass. He tends to get good results based on defence first for about 3 years and then his team tunes him out.

    They would be tuning him out here right when this team should be pushing for the top 4 of the Western Conference.

    Hitch has also got lucky in that his trap tastic interference hockey has made a come back thanks to the lack of penalties being called.

    Watching that game last night I was absolutely struck at how much clutching and grabbing and interefering was going on. There were 4 or 5 plays on some shifts which would have been penalties 30 games ago. If I am a GM and was trying to adapt my team thru the draft/ free agency to be able to succeed in the non- interference league of 3 months ago, I’d be screaming bloody murder.

    A guy like Alex Plante might just find a role in the NHL if this is the new norm.

    As much as the everyone wants to jump on Renney and the effort and the goaltending, the reality is that this team was not that good 5 x 5 and relied on the PP. Now they don’t have those PP opportunities and have a bunch of young players struggling to adapt to new interference rules made up on the fly. As a result they are losing. Go figure.

    I have always been able to look the other way when it comes to NHL BS, but this secret and drastic change in the way the game is called is frankly an abomination. Can you imagine if the NFL went midseason from a rule that you couldn’t touch a receiver to one where you could drag him to the ground before the ball was thrown and that change was not announced or even discussed publically?

  51. DoubleJ says:

    I hope the Oilers wait until after the playoffs to look for a coach. There has been rumors that if phx moves to Quebec that Roy would become the coach. The Oilers would be foolish to pass up that oppertunty. Also Quinville out of CHI might be on the outs as well. Those are two great choices for replacement.

    Renney has been terrible al year. Tambi has been terrible as well. No idea on who would be a good replacement for him. Just hope it is not Lowe. This team needs better vets it’s that simple. Probably getting close to giving the C to one of the young guns. It’s time.

    So tired of this team being out coached and out played. I still think Omark is just as good as Hemsky. IMO.

  52. Gret99zky says:

    Yeah, bring back MacT.

    Actually, if we are going to drive the Delorean at 88mph, might as well bring back Slats.

  53. cabbiesmacker says:

    DBO:
    So just talked with a buddy up in Edmonton and he mentioned that on Team 1260 it was mentioned last night after the game that in the dressing room Hemsky was in an argument with someone, and that Smid had thrown something across the room in anger.

    Wonderful. About time Hemsky and this team showed some emotion. Hate losing boys? Excellent.

    Doesn’t mean there are any rifts in the room. All accounts say otherwise. Just a bunch of guys tired of residing in the netherlands of the standings. As long as it doesn’t lead to finger pointing, at anyone but LowExpectations, it’s all good, but it’s natural when mired in a losing streak, (5 years in this case), for players to start looking down their noses at those not capable of contributing.

    I hope theres a small ceremony in the room today where current members have their letters ripped off their chests and they’re handed to Hall, Eberle, and Smid. Message sent to players and fan base alike.

  54. cabbiesmacker says:

    Esa10:
    Next manager: Ron Hextall
    Next coach: John Stevens
    Hextall is brought in to tell Lowe to shut up once in a while.
    Heard it here first

    I’ll take Jim Nill and our current farm team HC for a thousand Alex…I mean Esa

  55. cabbiesmacker says:

    Gret99zky:
    Yeah, bring back MacT.

    Actually, if we are going to drive the Delorean at 88mph, might as well bring back Slats.

    Don’t forget to point the Delorean towards the river

  56. bookje says:

    The thing is that when you are 20, you are going to go out every night and play your heart out – you are just wired that way.

    By the time you are 30, your body is a little more tired and more importantly, you are a little more thoughtful about how you expend your energy.

    I think the veterans see management ‘mailing it in’ and are happy to do the same. Basically, the message is – if you really don’t want to win – ok, no problem, happy to oblige.

    I wonder if the loss of Gilbert has some veterans in a tizzy.

    Probably the biggest challenge of the ‘tank job’ approach to rebuilding is avoiding these types of drama in the dressing room. I think the team needed to get to 25th overall to avoid the dressing roo breakdown – the ping pong table appears to be unable to counter the impact of being a last place team for more than 2 seasons.

  57. DBO says:

    So if Renney is out, does anyone want Ted Nolan? he must have really pissed some folk off to never get another chance.

  58. FastOil says:

    Bad teams make everyone look bad. It would be a mistake to keep finding fault in the good players we do have because they can’t climb Mt. Olympus every game carrying a bunch of guys on their backs.

    Even without an elite defensmen, by just replacing the non NHL calibre players with stable vets the team and everyone on it would play and look a lot better. Not that hard a fix to decent hockey. Great hockey more harder. A few years ago Lowe seemed to know what a good defenseman looked like and where to find them, what happened?

  59. bookje says:

    DBO:
    So if Renney is out, does anyone want Ted Nolan? he must have really pissed some folk off to never get another chance.

    That was the story a few years ago, but since then he got his second chance with the Islanders and coached them for a couple of years with modest success.

  60. hunter1909 says:

    ashley,

    That’s what helps make our relationship blossom.

    ps: next time ASIAOIL wants you to buy his sister, take my advice and forget about it. He sold her to me and ever since I complained she was no good, he’s really been pissy.

  61. pboy says:

    Apparently, Nolan has a history of going over his GM’s head directly to the owner and that’s why he isn’t even mentioned when Head Coaching vacancies come up. No GM wants to hire a guy who will try to cut him out of the loop and cost that GM his job. At least, that’s the rumour I heard about Nolan. He’s been a really effective coach in the NHL though.

  62. Woodguy says:

    Matheson had a piece about college Dman Justin Shultz

    Sounds like a shorter version of Petry and Gilbert. ANA owns his rights, but he might go UFA according to Matty.

    I think I just figured out the Gilbert/Shutlz trade:

    KLowe; “Wow, this Shultz kid has 91 points in his last 78 games, pretty good for a Dman”

    v4.0:(thinking to himself) “It was coffee crisp last time, but Ales was wrong, I didn’t fall in love all over again. I’m thinking crispy crunch”

    KL: “I think he might be able to replace Gilbert one day”

    v4.0: (still thinking to himself): “But I really like Twix and you get two bars! Two!”

    KL: “Tamby, you listening to me, this Shultz kid is great”

    v4.0: (startled back to reality) “Wha, ya! Shultz, Gilbert, got it Kev…….yeah, a Big Turk is what I’m going with”

    Before you dismiss it out of hand, remember that Cliff Fletcher signed Finger based on Kurt Sauer’s stats.
    :)

  63. DBO says:

    bookje,

    He is a former Jack Adams winner, has shown he can bring the best out of his teams and is still not an old man by NHL standards. He is still coaching (albeit with the Latvian national team right now), and he may be the kind of tough guy this team needs. No idea if he is a fit. hope Willis adds him to the coaching series.

  64. UndisclosedPersonalReasons says:

    Brett Gee:
    ‎”We’ve got a few people who need to take a look in the mirror.” – Renney.

    Fair enough.Horcoff needs to look in a mirror and remember that he’s played on a loser team his whole life.

    I’m sure Horcoff avoids mirrors at all costs.

  65. DBO says:

    from stauffer as per lines:
    Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
    Jones-RNH-Eberle
    Smyth-Horcoff-Omark
    Eager-Belanger-Petrell

  66. Ducey says:

    hunter1909: ashley, That’s what helps make our relationship blossom.ps: next time ASIAOIL wants you to buy his sister, take my advice and forget about it. He sold her to me and ever since I complained she was no good, he’s really been pissy.
    ———————
    Whoa, I think Hunter dialed the Delorean back to slavery times.

    Either that or he, Ashley and AsiaOil live in some sort of isolated bayou in Saskatchewan.

  67. pboy says:

    DBO: from stauffer as per lines:Hall-Gagner-HemskyJones-RNH-EberleSmyth-Horcoff-OmarkEager-Belanger-Petrell

    That’s right, keep re-arranging the deck chairs. There’s no way this ship will sink now!

  68. "Steve Smith" says:

    If last night’s comment thread was the best ever, then this is the worst. Where’s DeadMan?

  69. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m trying man.

    I guess I don;’t have my best stuff today.

  70. hunter1909 says:

    FastOil: To succeed over time in such a competitive environment, everyone needs to be very good, top down.

    There is another way. Have players so far ahead of their competition talent-wise(eg 1970 Bruins) that everything good happens, despite management.

    I don’t see much from Tambellini to suggest he’s either clueless or incompetent. Yet.
    Lowe, for all his perceived and very real faults as a GM, still gets to be GM of Team Canada. Mr. Katz is totally committed as the owner, after years of drifting in the wilderness with post-Messier Pocklington and the EIG.

  71. gcw_rocks says:

    Woordguy:

    Why would they bring him back in management, and in what capacity?

    To the best of my knowledge, MacT has never:
    - made a trade
    - negotiated a player’s salary
    - managed against a salary cap
    - created or managed a player development system
    - signed a free agent

    And I am not talking at the NHL level, as far as I know he hasn’t done it at any level.

  72. hunter1909 says:

    Dubnyk has simply got to go.

    Horcoff has seriously got to be stripped of the C. He’s pathetic, should be off the roster like Dubnyk.

    Khabibulin’s done after next season, and they need a young first class goalie – from somewhere.

    I don’t think Peckham, MPS, Omark have at all been coached/managed properly this season. I’d give them all another chance under a new head coach.

    Barker has to go.

    I don’t watch a lot of the bottom line forwards, because they’re not often worth watching. No opinion to offer, but I’m sure a better coach then Renney knows how to run an NHL lineup. Renney, he’s been set up to fail, yet has also once more been exposed(exactly like in NY save Lundquist, who basically gives the Rangers respectability) as a seriously flawed NHL coach. Too much reliance on veterans, and as everyone knows the veteran oilers are the biggest losers on the team.

  73. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy,

    It’s not you, though I suppose that you haven’t been enough to remedy it (but what one man could be?). We’ve got people talking about Heart and Grit and Crust and Platitudinity; we’ve got people pledging to have nothing further to do with the team if X occurs (if you’re still following the team, you’ve proven you’ll tolerate anything, and you should stop pretending otherwise); we’ve got people worshipping coaches elsewhere with greener grass; we’ve got people repeating bullshit MSM talking points like “the Edmonton market won’t tolerate defensive hockey” (I seem to remember the Edmonton market being pretty happy in early 2006)…and to top it all off, Traktor’s making sense.

    I swear, if I see one more post about how anybody needs to Look in the Mirror or Learn to Hate Losing, I’ll stop following this site.

  74. Captain Obvious says:

    DBO:
    from stauffer as per lines:
    Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
    Jones-RNH-Eberle
    Smyth-Horcoff-Omark
    Eager-Belanger-Petrell

    I like those lines. The Hall line is the best line they’ve put together all year. That line can play against the toughs freeing up Eberle for finishing opportunities in softer minutes. I also like putting Omark with Horcoff and Smyth. For whatever reason by my eye Omark has played his worst games with top O talent while his most consistent run of success was with secondary talent like Paajarvi last year or a couple of games with Horcoff in the preseason.

    The calls for Renney’s head is that they are coming from both poles of the dysfunctional fanbase. The Woodguy’s of the world (the analytical pole) have been critical for a while but now the everyman pole Neanderthal (Eberle walks on water while Hemsky is a bum) is also shoving him out the door. What is interesting is that their reasons are diametrically opposed. Since the neanderthal faction is always wrong I’m lead to the conclusion that we should keep Renney.

    In seriousness, this shows that Renney is in an untenable situation. Not because Hemsky is a bum or because Eberle doesn’t walk on water but because they traded Gilbert away and Ryan Whitney is awful. That’s the problem. Full stop.

    Also, I agree with Ducey.

  75. Woodguy says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Woordguy:

    Why would they bringhim back in management, and in what capacity?

    To the best of my knowledge, MacT has never:
    - made a trade
    - negotiated a player’s salary
    - managed against a salary cap
    - created or managed a player development system
    - signed a free agent

    And I am not talking at the NHL level, as far as I know he hasn’t done it at any level.

    They would bring him back due to relationship with Katz.

    You are right in that he’s never been in a managerial capacity and that’s a concern.

    He’s need someone with experience to help.

    I’ve always like the way MacTavish thinks the game and I think he would know how to flesh out the roster and build a winner.

    A lot of what you are referring to is the nuts and bots stuff, and its possible to get a good support staff (aast. GMs etc)

    I’d be comfortable with his vision driving the organization.

    A guy who when asked about why he traded for a player doesn’t staryt with “Stve Yzerman thinks he’s a good guy”
    t

  76. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    I’ve always like the way MacTavish thinks the game and I think he would know how to flesh out the roster and build a winner.

    I can tell you straight up that he doesn’t think it via advanced stats. I believe the exact words were “I guess those sorts of things are good for keeping the internet types busy.” (grin) “I put my lines together and make adjustments during the game depending on who’s going well and who’s not.”

    As much as people like Steve Smith would like to guffaw at the whole notion of those kinds of tools being underutilized by NHL teams to date I do believe the fact that the Oilers are NOW taking interest proves the point.

    But maybe MacT’s changed. Maybe he’s figured out John Toews is a really, really good hockey player too.

    As for the Katz – MacT connection being a hiring factor….Hows that been working out for us so far?

  77. spoiler says:

    Some stuff….

    Tough to place all the blame on the defense when the forwards are evacuating the zone like George Costanza at a kitchen fire.

    I think the guys were pissed last night because this was another home loss. Ducey has it right above when he points out that home matchups have led to penalties which have led to success.

    Those lines look good. I’ve been asking for Gagner between Hall and Hemmer since RNH came back. That should help out the matchups.

    Interesting comment by Ferraro last night on Whitney… He needs time in the gym to work on strength and mobility issues. Hoping to rectify that over the off-season. Everybody knows he isn’t the same player right now.

    Schultz has been real solid. Don’t know why he isn’t getting more TOI. That one makes no sense to me.

  78. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    You would take him over a Paul Fenton, Joe Will, Dave Nonis, or Jeff Gorton?

    He may have the potential to do the job, but it would be a risky hire and the last thing the Oilers need at that key position is a gamble. If he was willing to take some other management roles and learn the ropes like Yzerman did, I would be a lot more comfortable. As they say, the devil is in the details.

  79. Ducey says:

    Come on Smith,

    If you have a problem with the thread, do something about it. Woodguy can’t do it all. He is losing credibility each game Hemsky falls behind Brown. Its time you posted something with less Heart and Grit and Crust and Platitudinity.

    Take a look in the mirror, pal.

  80. DSF says:

    Ducey:
    Come on Smith,

    If you have a problem with the thread, do something about it.Woodguy can’t do it all. He is losing credibility each game Hemsky falls behind Brown. Its time you posted something with less Heart and Grit and Crust and Platitudinity.

    Take a look in the mirror, pal.

    I approve of this post. :)

  81. CrazyCoach says:

    Esa10:
    Next manager: Ron Hextall
    Next coach: John Stevens

    Hextall is brought in to tell Lowe to shut up once in a while.

    Heard it here first

    Nah, I like;
    Next Manager: Joe McGrath
    Next Coach: Reggie Dunlop

    McGrath is brought in to have fashion shows at WEM.

  82. CrazyCoach says:

    DoubleJ:
    I hope the Oilers wait until after the playoffs to look for a coach. There has been rumors that if phx moves to Quebec that Roy would become the coach. The Oilers would be foolish to pass up that oppertunty.Also Quinville out of CHI might be on the outs as well. Those are two great choices for replacement.

    The Roy thing makes no sense to me. Why would they turf Tippet who took them from the craphole to two consecutive playoff appearances? For the mere folly of fan appreciation?

  83. Woodguy says:

    All,

    I’m pimping MacT to come back as GM over others.

    I’m saying if he came back, it would not be as coach, but as a manager, and that he would be better than Tambellini.

    I think he is as likely as other candidates, if not more, due to relationships.

    I’m guessing what might happen, not hoping.

    Also,

    I still like my Hemsky bet. Its early. DSF can chirp me, its his bet.

    I have no idea why Ducey is chirping.

  84. bookje says:

    WoodguyI’m trying man.
    I guess I don;’t have my best stuff today.

    I am tired of the incessant criticism of Woodguy. Let me be clear on this

    WOODGUY IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!

  85. asiaoil says:

    Same old same old – certain players that the GM signed are junk – but we still need to evaluate the GM – right.

    hunter1909,

  86. ed says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Woodguy,

    You would take him over a Paul Fenton, Joe Will, Dave Nonis, or Jeff Gorton?

    Who would take a job with the oilers right now knowing that lowe still pulls the strings?

    It sounds like many of the best candidates are already in Tambellini type positions but in better organizations.

  87. asiaoil says:

    Your usual classy self this AM I see

    Ducey:
    hunter1909: ashley, That’s what helps make our relationship blossom.ps: next time ASIAOIL wants you to buy his sister, take my advice and forget about it. He sold her to me and ever since I complained she was no good, he’s really been pissy.
    ———————
    Whoa, I think Hunter dialed the Delorean back to slavery times.

    Either that or he, Ashley and AsiaOil live in some sort of isolated bayou in Saskatchewan.

  88. CrazyCoach says:

    Woodguy:
    All,

    I’m pimping MacT to come back as GM over others.

    I’m saying if he came back, it would not be as coach, but as a manager, and that he would be better than Tambellini.

    I think a monkey with an Ipad tuned to behindthenet could do a better job right now than Tambo.

  89. "Steve Smith" says:

    Ducey,

    Fine, you win.

    Jesus, I hate losing.

  90. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    All,

    I’m pimping MacT to come back as GM over others.

    I’m saying if he came back, it would not be as coach, but as a manager, and that he would be better than Tambellini.

    I think he is as likely as other candidates, if not more, due to relationships.

    I’m guessing what might happen, not hoping.

    Also,

    I still like my Hemsky bet.Its early.DSF can chirp me, its his bet.

    I have no idea why Ducey is chirping.

    Wow, did I screw that up.

    I’m NOT pimping MacT to come in as GM over the other guys.

    Just trying to read the tea leaves.

  91. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy: I’m pimping MacT to come back as GM over others.
    I’m saying if he came back, it would not be as coach, but as a manager, and that he would be better than Tambellini.

    Hey Numbers Guy, where are your figures to back up such a statement?

    is it the 9 seasons of terminal hockey MacT coached, or his ‘ex-con made good’ feelgood story, or just the cut of his jib while tossing individual players like Rob Schremp under the bus, after he’d had his heart broken, like Jani Rita before, under his ‘teacher’s pet’ schtick?

    Perhaps it’s his magical MBA that impresses. Or his awesomeness for the Chicago Wolves.

    So many points to consider.

  92. "Steve Smith" says:

    …and Hunter’s taking himself seriously. Did I forget that in my list of reasons I hate this thread?

  93. Woodguy says:

    bookje: I am tired of the incessant criticism of Woodguy.Let me be clear on this

    WOODGUY IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!

    The vote of confidence death sentence.

    I expect to get IP banned any minute now.

  94. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909: Hey Numbers Guy, where are your figures to back up such a statement?

    is it the 9 seasons of terminal hockey MacT coached, or his ‘ex-con made good’ feelgood story, or just the cut of his jib while tossing individual players like Rob Schremp under the bus, after he’d had his heart broken, like Jani Rita before, under his ‘teacher’s pet’ schtick?

    Perhaps it’s his magical MBA that impresses. Or his awesomeness for the Chicago Wolves.

    So many points to consider.

    See the post above yours.

    I missed a key word.

    Still think he’d be better than Tambellini.

  95. TheOtherJohn says:

    Steve

    Relax. To win, we have to lose: BAD! Its part of “the”Plan”. Then when it matters, we will simply win.

    Someone posted it today on ON. Would you trade our 1st overall, asuuming we do not beat out CBJ for Yakubov, to PHX for Ekman-Larssen? Would they do it? He is pretty good D man and much closer to contributing Top 4 minutes next year

  96. Ducey says:

    I have no idea why Ducey is chirping.

    The whole post was in jest. Including the crack about you. Obviously your credibility doesn’t go down just because Hemsky doesn’t score – fortunately for you.

    Sorry, I did it again :)

  97. HeavySig says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    If last night’s comment thread was the best ever, then this is the worst.Where’s DeadMan?

    Do you have any statistics to back up your best ever/worst claims?

    Or are you just one of those heretical Anecdotalists I have been hearing about?

  98. Captain Obvious says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    I would do that in a second. The problem is you’d have to trade more than the pick. The question isn’t whether to trade the pick or not. That’s an easy yes. The question is how much you have to add on top of the pick?

  99. Clay says:

    I just lost my mirror. Jesus, I hate it when that happens!

  100. Dipstick says:

    Woodguy: The vote of confidence death sentence.

    I expect to get IP banned any minute now.

    Not quite. Rumor has it that you are being traded to Huckeybuzz!

  101. Jordan says:

    Dipstick: Not quite. Rumor has it that you are being traded to Huckeybuzz!

    E4? ;-)

  102. OilLeak says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Woodguy,

    It’s not you, though I suppose that you haven’t been enough to remedy it (but what one man could be?).We’ve got people talking about Heart and Grit and Crust and Platitudinity; we’ve got people pledging to have nothing further to do with the team if X occurs (if you’re still following the team, you’ve proven you’ll tolerate anything, and you should stop pretending otherwise); we’ve got people worshipping coaches elsewhere with greener grass; we’ve got people repeating bullshit MSM talking points like “the Edmonton market won’t tolerate defensive hockey” (I seem to remember the Edmonton market being pretty happy in early 2006)…and to top it all off, Traktor’s making sense.

    I swear, if I see one more post about how anybody needs to Look in the Mirror or Learn to Hate Losing, I’ll stop following this site.

    Darn, where’s the “Like” button when you really need it?

    Oh Danny…

  103. "Steve Smith" says:

    OilLeak,

    I assume the part that you liked was my pledge to go away.

  104. Lowetide says:

    you’re all pricks. Even the women.. Except Louise. Sorry for saying pricks, Louise.

  105. Lowetide says:

    BlacqueJacque:
    BTW, LT, shame on you for perpetuating this Renney-is-getting-to-the-end-of-his-rope BS.There’s no reason Edmonton can’t have someone with the tenure and job security of a Barry Trotz, Lindy Ruff, or Mike Babcock.Well, other than irresponsible media folks perpetuating the myth that we can’t, and giving voice to idiotic fans whose solution to everything is firing a coach.

    I’ve actually defended Renney several times. I think the problem goes way beyond the coach. I’ve been saying that since MacT btw.

  106. Lowetide says:

    gcw_rocks:
    LT:

    You recently noted you thought bringing MacT back was a good idea (and certainly Woodguy would be there with you with the Welcome Wagon basket in hand).And yet…

    In one of the articles you linked to, you said this about MacT:

    “The new GM should make sure there are enough veterans, that there is balance on the roster and that development doesn’t become the main goal of a season.”

    Man, that does not sound like a place the Oilers will be in next year.This is a 29th place team that damn well better improve, but there will be lots of teaching left to do.I think MacT is a great coach for a veteran team, and therefore I concur with your quote from a few years ago.He would be great to replace Dale Hunter in Washington, or Lindy Ruff in Buffalo, or Sutter in LA if they blow out the entire management team this summer.I absolutely do not think he is the right coach for the Oilers team at this stage of thier development.

    So, what has changed your perceptions of MacT from then to now?

    Nothing. I think MacT would be great for this roster, especially if they did the right thing and added a useful winger to go with Smyth, Hemsky, Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi. Tom Renney could do it too, imo. He hasn’t had a good season but neither did Davy Crockett at the Alamo.

  107. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy:
    “Steve Smith”,

    I’m trying man.

    I guess I don;’t have my best stuff today.

    I liked your conversation about Schultz, and legend has it the Penguins once traded a bounty–including their 1st rd pick–for Rod Schutt thinking it was Steve Shutt.

  108. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide: I liked your conversation about Schultz, and legend has it the Penguins once traded a bounty–including their 1st rd pick–for Rod Schutt thinking it was Steve Shutt.

    Wow.

    I would love to hear that story from someone involved on either side.

    Who was GM at the time?

  109. Lowetide says:

    Sam fucking Pollock for Montreal and Baz Bastien for Pens.

    • Legend has it that then-general manager Baz Bastien, on October 18, 1978, sent a first-round draft pick to the Montreal Canadiens believing that the player he acquired – Rod Schutt – actually was future Hall of Famer Steve Shutt.

    http://pittsburghhockey.net/old-site/PensPages/GM-Coach.html

  110. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Sam fucking Pollock for Montreal and Baz Bastien for Pens.

    • Legend has it that then-general manager Baz Bastien, on October 18, 1978, sent a first-round draft pick to the Montreal Canadiens believing that the player he acquired – Rod Schutt – actually was future Hall of Famer Steve Shutt.

    http://pittsburghhockey.net/old-site/PensPages/GM-Coach.html

    Of course.

    Pollack never, ever saw and edge he didn’t exploit.

    The story on how Torrey got the best of him was one of my favorites in the GM Bible.

  111. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide,

    Lowetide, as a fellow Seal fan I was wondering: How do you think Guy Lafleur actually being drafted by Oakland would have probably worked out, for both player and franchise?

    Also, given the fact it took 3-4 seasons before Lafleur “got it”, plus considering the perilously moribund state of the 1970′s Seals, do you think the potential was there for the unthinkable, namely a Guy Lafleur as busted NHLer?

    PS: Come to think of it, Dionne would have ended up going to Montreal, lol.

  112. hunter1909 says:

    Even though tensions around this blog are sky high, I’d like to state for the record here that in my opinion the rebuild is technically still going properly, sans any team improvement in on ice production lol.

    Let’s see…30th last year, 29th this season. From the available data, we can conclude the President’s Cup will arrive in 2041; when by that time Steve Smith will have become the senior partner and curmudgeon of his thriving law firm of 70 lawyers, barristers, and Queen’s Councellors.

  113. Lowetide says:

    Hunter: I think Lafleur would have found a way no matter what, but I also think Dionne might have been drafted first overall. They were both outstanding juniors.

  114. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide,

    Lafleur’s 130 goals say hello.

  115. Lowetide says:

    Dionne’s total same season broke the OHA record, and the Ontario league was vastly superior. If I’m not mistaken, the QMJHL was in its first or second season at that time.

  116. Bruce McCurdy says:

    I think we should lock up Woodguy to a medium-term deal. Too valuable a glue player to let go. So I’m gonna step up to offer a Jones-type pact, 2 years, $1.50 a year. Guaranteed. He can even cheat for offence if he likes. Heaven knows we could use some more offensive commentary around here.

  117. gcw_rocks says:

    Woodguy,

    Ahh, I did not get that from your posts. Sounded to me like you were advocated for him. Ignoring Lowe’s cronyism, who would you pick?

  118. gcw_rocks says:

    Lowetide,

    Wow, I don’t get that. The roster is going to be kid heavy again next year, even if they do prop up the defence this summer, with a high probability of breaking in another lottery pick. That does not sound like a team I would let MacT anywhere near.

  119. FastOil says:

    gcw_rocks:
    Lowetide,

    Wow, I don’t get that.The roster is going to be kid heavy again next year, even if they do prop up the defence this summer, with a high probability of breaking in another lottery pick.That does not sound like a team I would let MacT anywhere near.

    No doubt. Whatever coach leads the Oilers, given the players they have assembled at the top, should play a high tempo pressure oriented style. Defence for me is a given always, the difference being clog it up and wait, or attack all the time responsibly.

    It would be a mistake to play too conservative a style because I don’t think we have the forwards to grind it out on the boards. No Alex Steens on the Oilers at the moment. They are much better off the rush.

    Time to think outside of the box for coach. I have no idea who should be GM if Lowe goes, except they had better be stats informed and make a permanent anaylitics position with the team. It’s not going away, might as well be good at it.

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