G64 Stars at Oilers

The hope for Oiler fans today is that RNH and or Taylor Hall will enjoy Mike Modano-like success in the NHL–with one notable exception. Modano began his career in Minnesota and helped the franchise win a Stanley in Dallas. Oiler fans would much prefer seeing the Stanley (and the Oilers) remain in Edmonton.

Interesting quote in the paper from Tom Renney in regard to Taylor Hall: “But I have heard a couple of referees come back at this young fellow – with disrespect, if not worse. I’ve said why don’t you just back off and help this young fellow understand how this could work instead of being as ignorant, if not more so.”

What now? I was a little amazed that the coach passed that along, can imagine the situation getting worse before it improves. I like Hall’s swagger, he seems less of a whiner than a guy like Crosby was at the same age and there’s a tremendous amount of “I’ll take it into my own hands” and #4. I know that runs the risk of injury, but you can’t have a bunch of wallflowers either. Taylor Hall joins the game at all levels, and at some point the calls will go his way (once he reaches a certain status) and he’ll remain that aggressive kid who gives no quarter.

I think he’s going to be a real piss cutter.

I’ve been wondering about Jordan Eberle’s shooting percentage. Several have chimed in to say it isn’t sustainable, but my question is when does shooting skill become an established level of ability. Here are Ebs’ SP’s during the last two years:

  • 10-11: 11.39
  • 11-12:19.58

The only other shooting percentages we have on this player are WJ’s (20, 32, 23.53) and that stint in the AHL (25). Bill James used to say that a hitter’s established level of ability came after three consistent seasons at a certain level. Eberle’s first two seasons are not similar. How much should we expect him to fall back next season?

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  1. LMHF#1 says:

    fuzzy muppet:
    STAY ONSIDE HEMSKY!

    You do realize that those plays you’re referring to were the result of Hall and Gagner not making the play at the line correctly, right? Their job is to get the puck to the line and extend if necessary in order to keep the speed of the rush going. Both didn’t do that.

    And it is going offside, not going offsides.

  2. Schitzo says:

    I wonder if the Wild have buyer’s remorse on trading Burns last year. It obviously created a hole that they needed to fill. I’m nervous that we’re going to be in exactly the same boat going forward.

  3. loosemoose says:

    The oilers are like a Nicholas Cage movie…..

    Confusing and hard to watch….

  4. Woodguy says:

    Here’s the EVTOI in last nights game for Oilers D:

    Petry 21:41
    Whitney 21:24
    Smid 19:56
    Potter 19:21
    Sutton 15:26
    Shultz 14:18

    Here’s the EVTOI for the MIN D last night:

    Scandella 19:24
    Prosser 18:11
    Gilbert 17:12
    Spurgeon 17:11
    Falk 13:21
    Foster 6:55

    Gilbert and Spurgeon together is interesting. They are both puck movers.

  5. DSF says:

    mattwatt: Now don’t allow DSF to tell you how wrong you are Lowetide. As he stated, likely that Omark and MPS do not belong in the NHL, let alone in front of these guys!

    (Had to for all the nonsense he has spewed of late. Sunday I will put a more definitive post why Omark and MPS are better options than the current 4th line. Sad part is, it won’t be hard. At all.)

    I don’t disagree that Barbara Anne Paajarvi and Omark might be better options.

    Doesn’t make any of them NHL players though.

    Looking forward to your “definitive post” that will explain how Paajarvi and his 2 goals, 8 points and -7 make him an NHL player worth worrying about.

  6. Woodguy says:

    DSF,

    Looking forward to your “definitive post” that will explain how Paajarvi and his 2 goals, 8 points and -7 make him an NHL player worth worrying about.

    How about the fact that’s he’s got the 6th most points among forwards in his draft class?

    He was the 7th forward picked.

    Writing off this player is akin to you saying that Hall would never be more than Moreau.

    Just a bunch of hot air designed to rouse the denizens of Lowetide.

  7. DSF says:

    Nazen Kadri has scoored

    Woodguy:
    DSF,

    Looking forward to your “definitive post” that will explain how Paajarvi and his 2 goals, 8 points and -7 make him an NHL player worth worrying about.

    How about the fact that’s he’s got the 6th most points among forwards in his draft class?

    He was the 7th forward picked.

    P/G 2009 Draft Class – Forwards

    Tavares – .81
    Duchene – .72
    Kane – .58
    Smith – .52
    O’Reilly – .47
    Johanssen – .47
    Kadri – .38
    Paajarvi – .35
    Schenn – .30

    Looks to me like he’s 8th in PPG in his draft class. Most teams develop their players in the minors rather than in the NHL so GP can be deceiving.

    When you consider there are also two defensemen (Kuikov .36 and Leddy .33) scoring in the same range as Paajarvi, I think you have to conclude that Paajarvi has been very underwhelming.

  8. PunjabiOil says:

    Notice how:

    1. DSF ignored the point about his Taylor Hall – Ethan Moreau comparison
    2. Ignored Paajarvi’s successful rookie season?

    Sigh.

  9. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Notice how:

    1.DSF ignored the point about his Taylor Hall – Ethan Moreau comparison
    2.Ignored Paajarvi’s successful rookie season?

    Sigh.

    Paajarvi has scored .35 PPG including his “successful rookie season”.

    Defenseman level.

    He can’t even score in the AHL.

  10. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF,

    Actually it’s 0.43. Respectable for a rookie who did not get a ton of PP time.

    And as usual, you dodged your way on the Taylor Hall point.

    Turtle much?

  11. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    DSF,

    Actually it’s 0.43.Respectable for a rookie who did not get a ton of PP time.

    And as usual, you dodged your way on the Taylor Hall point.

    Turtle much?

    Apparently math eludes you.

    Paajarvi has scored 42 points in 121 games played.

    That’s .35 PPG.

    He’s also a sparkling -20.

    Kid can’t play.

    You need to take your Hall point up with Traktor…but I also don’t think Hall is all that.

    Kessel without edge control.

  12. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF,

    We were on the topic of the rookie season, in which he scored at a 0.43 PPG.clip.

    There’s no question he’s had a poor season this year, but you’d be brain-dead to assume he won’t improve. To write him off in his 2nd season is absurd.

    All while you are pimping Kassian, who coming into tonight is scoring at a 0.26 PPG. Hypocrite much?

    As for Hall – you, king troll DSF, proclaimed Hall is the next Ethan Moreau. Now you’re backtracking from your claim in your skirt.

    It’s not even sensible to discuss anything with you. You are a troll, add nothing of value to the message board, and deliberately attempt to ruin everyone’s mood.

    Carry on.

  13. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    DSF,

    We were on the topic of the rookie season, in which he scored at a 0.43 PPG.clip.

    There’s no question he’s had a poor season this year, but you’d be brain-dead to assume he won’t improve.To write him off in his 2nd season is absurd.

    All while you are pimping Kassian, who coming into tonight is scoring at a 0.26 PPG.Hypocrite much?

    As for Hall – you, king troll DSF, proclaimed Hall is the next Ethan Moreau.Now you’re backtracking from your claim in your skirt.

    It’s not even sensible to discuss anything with you.You are a troll, add nothing of value to the message board, and deliberately attempt to ruin everyone’s mood.

    Carry on.

    What a joke.

    No one was talking about his rookie season in isolation.

    Small sample sizes and all that.

    You’d be brain dead not to look at his entire body of work.

    Oh wait….

  14. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF,

    Apparently an 80 game rookie season is a small sample size (0.43 PPG), but the next 41 games in his second season (producing at a 0.19 PPG) clip is vital in determining the ”entire body of work”

    You do realize young players can struggle, having confidence issues, and that development isn’t linear?

    Your boy, Ryan Kesler produced at a 0.27 PPG after 158 games. Did you hold him to the same standard?

    Sort it out, son.

  15. DSF says:

    PunjabiOil:
    DSF,

    Apparently an 80 game rookie season is a small sample size (0.43 PPG), but the next 41 games in his second season (producing at a 0.19 PPG) clip is vital in determining the ”entire body of work”

    You do realize young players can struggle, having confidence issues, and that development isn’t linear?

    Your boy, Ryan Kesler produced at a 0.27 PPG after 158 games.Did you hold him to the same standard?

    Sort it out, son.

    There’s a reason he is the AHL and not performing there either.

    You’ll figure it out eventually.

  16. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF,

    Just like you figured out that Taylor Hall is not Ethan Moreau?

    Ryan Kesler – first 33 AHL games – 3 goals, 11 points.

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