G67 Canadiens at Oilers

Marc Tardif and Rejean Houle were two wingers in a phenomenal run of them by Montreal from 1969 through 1980. The list of Montreal rookies who played wing rivals the best in the game’s entire history. Even the WHA couldn’t stop them. Fast, furious, skilled, gifted. It was a Habalanche.

The Oilers need a Habalanche at wing. I think we can see their future at center (RNH, Gagner, Lander) and the defense will have a plethora of pro candidates by fall (drafting Ryan Murray–who could make the team, and then signing Marincin, Gernat, Bigos, Davidson, Blain plus maybe Klefbom and Musil), leaving goaltenders and wingers on the “need ‘em” list.

The player type Edmonton will pursue is the interesting item. I think it comes down to acquiring a physical winger with size and skill, someone like Teemu Hartikainen but with better footspeed. I think the Oilers probably feel they have the skill spots filled on the top two lines (Hall, Eberle, Hemsky, Smyth) and will not pursue Omark as an option after this season.

The signings last summer mean Ben Eager is going to be around a long time and one hopes Magnus Paajarvi will go “Hair” Krishna and shave all of the hair from his body.

I believe this summer’s draft is the easiest to project in many years:

  1. Ryan Murray (or someone with a similar wide range of skills)
  2. Big winger with goals and pims who plays in the CHL

One final note: WHERE is the Tambellini renewal? Renney?

 

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  1. oilersfan says:

    I think you could be wrong on murray lowetide. Stauffer has said bebelieves if the Oilers pick second it will be Grigorenko as they have long coveted the big skilled center.

    Murray will only be picked if they end up picking third.

    Regardless, doesn’t that Samuellson kid who came late to the Oil Kings make sense as the Oilers ‘ second round pick to be a big mean skilled winger? Makes sense to me…

  2. TheOtherJohn says:

    Think Gagner will not be the 2C on a perennial SCF contending team. 2RW maybe. Need a bigger body in that slot. Still need a goalie, 2C, 2 top 4 D men and some size. We have a very small team.

    Number of guys commenting how bad Gilbert is doing in Minny. That is absolutely great news!!! Maybe we can trade for him and get his 22 minutes+ back here. Then we only need 1 top 4 D man.

    Must lose game tonight!

    Forgot the Plan was that we are trying to lose, as opposed to assembling a real bad team. Guess we dress Hordichuk, Barker and put Whitney/Potter out against their #1 line. That shoiuld more than do it

  3. backlundblows says:

    The winger we need is Tom Wilson of the Plymouth Whalers, 6’4″ 203, 46GP 25points +21. 129 PIMS

    birthday, March 29 1994, is a mid bday.

    From the Whalers Site

    Considered the same as a first-round pick in his OHL Draft class, Wilson is a prototypical power forward type who doesn’t shy away from the physical side of the game. After playing just 28 games last year through the first half of last season (scoring three goals with three assists), Wilson missed the rest of the year with a wrist injury suffered in the World Under-17 Hockey Challenge while playing for Team Canada. He’s back this season healthy and playing a regular shift.

    Intelligent in the classroom, Wilson was named the OHL’s Academic Player of the West Division for Oct. 2010 last season. He’s taken younger players like Mitchell Dempsey, Matt Mistele and Danny Vanderwiel under his wing this year, driving them to and from school at the Plymouth-Canton Education Park and to practice.

    Mackenzie – said Lucic like style

    “Tom’s tenacity on the ice is the same kind of tenacity he shows academically,” Seidelman said. “He doesn’t seem to be content with mediocrity. He excels.”

    HE May be available at 32nd

  4. commonfan14 says:

    Does Tambo’s current deal run out before or after the lottery?

    Even if they’re planning to get rid of him, it would be crazy to send him packing before he works his Forrest Gump-esque magic with those ping pong balls again.

  5. Jordan says:

    oilersfan,

    I think you’re right. The two big benefits of drafting Grigs (if they can) is that he won’t start getting paid for a couple of years yet, immediately gives us that player Oilers scouts have been scouring the world for since bill hunter led the people of Edmonton out slavery and the oil mines of the Calgarians.

    It also gives the Oilers a lot of options with value to send down the line for a signed defenseman, including:
    – Gagner
    – Omark
    – Any defensman not named Smid or Petry (value will vary)
    – picks (2012/13)
    – Any of our 10 mid to high end big bodied defensive prospects.

    Samuelson in the 2nd would be okay, but him in the 3rd would be better – he’s dropped a fair bit since he came over to NA. I’d rather use the 31-36 pick on someone with 1st round skill who dropped.

    backlundblows:
    The winger we need is Tom Wilson of the Plymouth Whalers, 6’4″ 203, 46GP 25points +21. 129 PIMS

    birthday, March 29 1994, is a mid bday.

    From the Whalers Site

    Considered the same as a first-round pick in his OHL Draft class, Wilson is a prototypical power forward type who doesn’t shy away from the physical side of the game.After playing just 28 games last year through the first half of last season (scoring three goals with three assists), Wilson missed the rest of the year with a wrist injury suffered in the World Under-17 Hockey Challenge while playing for Team Canada.He’s back this season healthy and playing a regular shift.

    Intelligent in the classroom, Wilson was named the OHL’s Academic Player of the West Division for Oct. 2010 last season.He’s taken younger players like Mitchell Dempsey, Matt Mistele and Danny Vanderwiel under his wing this year, driving them to and from school at the Plymouth-Canton Education Park and to practice.

    Mackenzie – said Lucic like style

    “Tom’s tenacity on the ice is the same kind of tenacity he shows academically,” Seidelman said. “He doesn’t seem to be content with mediocrity. He excels.”

    HE May be available at 32nd

    Picking Wilson before the 7th round would be a mistake. at less than a PPG clip, the guy doesn’t have the skill.

    Size and Skill needed. Not just one. Choosing Tom Wilson at #32 would be worse than choosing Cam Abney with the 3rd.

  6. slopitch says:

    I like the idea of finding a coke machine with picks after the 1st but I’m fully behind Grigorenko as the Oilers 1st round pick. Everywhere I read has the Russians way ahead of the pack. There will be a lot of competition for that 2nd pick and I think the Oilers push for 4-5th so maybe we have no chance. Id also take Dumba over Murray.

    This summer is more about what they do outside the draft. They need to win a trade and make a smart signing. That hasnt happened enough. We can dream about Schneider and Suter but hopefully Katz learned after the Hossa chase that you cant bet it all on one horse.

  7. hunter1909 says:

    Jordan: Mackenzie – said Lucic like style

    The name Lucic has become to hockey what Renee Zellweger’s name means to ugly actresses(and their agents).

    eg/ Brad Winchester and JF Jacques both have “Lucic style” upsides.

  8. slopitch says:

    So if we can draft Grigorenko, it makes sense to keep Gagner at least one more year. But I can see Burke using his 10th overall as bait to get a forward.

    Trade Gagner, 32nd for Gardiner, 10th … and draft Dumba or Reinhart (d tend to slip)

    Is that too much? Burke sells it as we didn’t like anyone with the pick and had a chance to get a 1C. Don Cherry applauds the move of acquiring an Ontario boy.

  9. speeds says:

    I’ll be interested to see if EDM looks at a goalie in round 2, there’s 2 or 3 guys available that they might deem the BPA at 32-35, or wherever their 2nd rounder would be. They have picked a number of goalies the last 3 years, so they may shy away from the position if it’s close between a couple prospects.

  10. DSF says:

    slopitch:
    So if we can draft Grigorenko, it makes sense to keep Gagner at least one more year.But I can see Burke using his 10th overall as bait to get a forward.

    Trade Gagner, 32nd for Gardiner, 10th … and draft Dumba or Reinhart (d tend to slip)

    Is that too much?Burke sells it as we didn’t like anyone with the pick and had a chance to get a 1C.Don Cherry applauds the move of acquiring an Ontario boy.

    Don’t look now, but the Leafs are a couple of points from being in the lottery with some tough games coming right up.

  11. pboy says:

    One final note: WHERE is the Tambellini renewal? Renney?

    GM’s always like to pick their own coaching staffs. IF there is a new GM on the horizon, it makes sense that Renney hasn’t been extended yet. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see Lowe – MacTavish V.20 this summer.

  12. oilersfan says:

    I agree on not drfating Wilson. Might be Lucic but more likely to be Jacques.

    Slopitch, why Dumba ahead of Murray? I am worried with his size he will be injured all the time ala Brule.

    I think Renee Zellweger, while not drop dead gorgeous, is still cute. Not ugly at least, imo.

  13. Woodguy says:

    One final note: WHERE is the Tambellini renewal? Renney?

    Spector and Cole were talking about the same thing on Spector’s show yesterday.

    Neither can remember a coach and GM being this late in the season without extensions who actually came back the next year.

    Interesting.

    Maybe Lowe is waiting for the Wolves season to be over so he can talk to MacT first. :)

    Also,

    Spector had some good stuff with Renney and Omark on his show yesterday. Check out the archives at the theteam1260.com to find it.

    Renney was emphatic that Omark was on the 3rd line, not the 4th.

    I don’t know how Renney reconciles this with the fact that only Petrell has less TOI than Omark.

    Nice to see Spector “ask the tough questions”

    Renney obviously didn’t like the question.

  14. Ducey says:

    Tonight is a must lose.

    Re: Gagner. But for his once in a lifetime 8 pt game he would be at 34 points an on track to finish with 42 points – his apparent glass ceiling (except for his rookie year).

    His faceoffs have improved and he is still young but the size thing is always going to be there.

    I could have sworn someone around here said that we needed to sign Hemsky. 2 assists in 5 games and shaking off the managers signs to shoot don’t say “indispensable” to me. If Hemsky could get himself together, that would help this team a lot by itself.

  15. Masamax says:

    Here’s a question for you to consider Lowetide; you mention the need for a big winger, what about Parise? UFA this year, and certainly fills a need for us. Once Smyth retires our LW depth begins to look mighty shallow. That said, what do you guys think it would take $ wise to get him here? His cap hit is 6M right now, and I’d guess he could probably do 6.5 or 7 on the free agent market, despite his somewhat weaker season this year. Would he be a guy you’d boys look at trying to pick up at that price?

    In my mind I feel the joy of being able to pick up Suter and Parise in one fell swoop and laughing to the bank as Whitney’s and Bulin’s contracts come off the books next year. Of course, unlikely to happen, but stranger things of course have. I have heard rumours that those two might sign the same team together if they both end up UFA, and not many teams out there can afford both.

  16. sliderule says:

    Whenever I hear voices saying we will pick Murray at number three I get really nervous.

    Think of 2007 when LA took Hickey at four a little smaller than Murray but similar puck skills and about the same physicality .

  17. Bar_Qu says:

    At this point in the Oilers timeline, imo, it makes sense to trade down from the #2 slot (the way Renney is coaching, I think 29th place may be a lock). If there is a team willing to move from 3rd or 4th to 2nd in exchange for a roster player, and still leave Edm able to draft Murray or Dumba, then that is likely the best move for the team. Forward is already stacked with exceptional young talent, and I don’t know that adding another young offensive ability/defensive liability is something that is in the Oiler’s best interest.

    Time to start scanning the rosters/prospects of the Canadiens, Hurricanes and Islanders to see what’s worth picking over.

  18. hunter1909 says:

    Bar_Qu: Forward is already stacked with exceptional young talent, and I don’t know that adding another young offensive ability/defensive liability is something that is in the Oiler’s best interest.

    Obviously you forgot to include 2012 NHL dogma: every team needs “a Lucic type player” up front.

  19. nathan says:

    “WHERE is the Tambellini renewal? Renney?”

    Easy. ST is *completely* in charge of picking a new coach. If he happens to pick MacT he gets his renewal.

  20. bookje says:

    No Tambi and Renney Renewal???

    My speculation is that the mandate this year was to balance draft position, player development, and improvement (i.e. winning). I think that the goal was 20th to 25th and if at this time of year the team was within striking distance of the playoffs, then go for it.

    Basically, I think the message was “You have shown me that you know how to lose, now show me that you know how to win.”

    Tambellini has not delivered ‘improvement’ and many of the players expected to do well (other than the kids) have really struggled, most notably the players brought in by Tambellini. There have been enough positives and some uncertainties (is Hemsky going to rebound as he gets further from his injury, are Belanger and Eager going to ‘adjust’ and become positives on the team, etc), but things have not really come together. Without improvement from Belanger, Eager, Horcoff, Hemsky, and many others, the team is doomed going into next year. The kids can’t win by themselves.

    Note – I say this as someone who generally like Tambellini, but he has not brought in players who make this team better other than through the draft. That’s fine when the strategy is to lose (i.e. Foster, Fraser, etc.), but when winning is the goal, then its no longer ok.

    Renney – I am not sure what is going on here. The guy is either coaching ‘strangely’ as a means of player development, to intentionally lose, or for some other reason. I suspect he may simply have biases towards certain players and against others. If the goal this season was to improve, then Tambellini has to look at struggling players, poor roster and line choices and think about getting a different coach. Given that Tambellini may be out the door as well, perhaps it’s too late for him to do so.

    MacT as GM? I wonder if it was Katz who recommended that he go get his MBA when he left the team?

    Perhaps we will see Tambellini in the Senior Hockey Adviser position? I believe the position has been vacant since Quinn quietly left the Oilers employ a year ago.

  21. cabbiesmacker says:

    Curious as to what drafting Murray brings to the table that isn’t already there with the aforementioned Marincin, Gernat, Bigos, Davidson, Blain, Klefbom and Musil. Drafting Murray carries a lot more risk and hope than picking Grigorenko and gets us what McKenzie refers to as an “all-around” defenceman. Not exceptional at anything in particular…..just all-around. If Lowe and company pass on a fairly predictable, already big and talented C for “all-around” D the egg in face possibles are huge. About the only thing that would keep me from drafting the kid would be him saying he has his heart set on the KHL.

    Second best option if Grigorenko isn’t on the list is moving down and aquiring another asset , (player not pick) while still being in a position to take a D prospect if thats what they’re set on. Trouba, Reinhart, and Rielly will still be on the board 4 – 8 in all likelihood.

    Keeping the #2 overall and going D would be akin to taking Dubnyk at #14 on the yawn scale.

    As far as F is concerned a Max Pacioretty would be quite lovely thanks.

  22. Captain Obvious says:

    That Renney quote about Omark on the third line is hilarious. Renney is a hard guy to figure. On the one hand, he comes across as a literate and thoughtful guy. On the other hand, his decisions reflect the thought process of a retarded monkey.

    For instance, the stated explanation of bringing Omark along slowly and not thrusting him into a “top six” role actually makes a lot of sense. I really like the idea of playing Omark on a “third” line. What is retarded is the notion that Belanger and Petrell constitute or have ever constituted the “third” line on this team. Overall, Belanger is the team’s worst center and Petrell is one of the worst players in the league. Moreover, they are both terrible offensive players.

    I could deal with Renney’s natural conservatism if it wasn’t combined with mind-numbing incompetence in execution.

    The other side of this is that he apparently recognized how good Gilbert was. That’s a point in his favour. That said, Schultz has looked a lot better than I expected. He’s made some nice passes and has jumped into the play a little. Renney and I might both prefer Gilbert but Schultz is who he has. He needs to play him. Certainly ahead of that dead horse.

    Which brings up another fault/positive of Renney–his willingness to stick with veterans. When these veterans are good players (Horcoff and Hemsky) this is a positive trait. When these veterans are bad players (Whitney and Belanger) this is a negative trait. Renney’s problem is he doesn’t appear able to tell the difference. The chosen players always get more rope while those with sideburns get punished for every single mistake. If Omark had made the turnover on the second goal instead of Gagner we wouldn’t be having this conversation because he’d be on a plane to Oklahoma already. It must be hard to play knowing that you have to score to keep your job but you have to score without ever making a mistake.

  23. slopitch says:

    oilersfan,

    Sources like Red Line and Cory Pronman have Dumba ahead of Murray and improving faster while being 10 months younger. I dont watch a lot of these kids play so I rely on others so take my opinion for what it is…

  24. Captain Obvious says:

    I just listened to the Renney interview with Spector. He was very defensive. That doesn’t sound like a man who is sure he is going to be back. Strangely enough it made me like him more. In his own way Renney says all the right things. I love that he talked about “top 9″ forwards. This notion that a team has a “top six” is a major impediment to winning. I would never hire a coach who ever used the words “top six.” I also liked how he talked about the importance of depth. Still, it all comes down to execution. I don’t even have a problem with the ice time. Broken ankle, four games in five nights, first game back, all of these are reasonable points.

    But the execution is all wrong. Belanger is an entirely different kind of hockey player. He’s moving backwards while Omark is going forward. There was one time when Omark forced a loose puck and Belanger could have gotten it but he had already turned his back to vacate the zone. And Petrell, in addition to being slow, has horrible hands. That’s a line of guys whose skills don’t complement each other at all.

  25. knighttown says:

    Passing along an OT item I thought was pretty good news. The Hockey News annual Future Watch magazine is out. 300 prospects (Top 10 list for each team) are ranked by GMs and scouts throughout the NHL. Guys that have “made it” are not eligible. #1 this year is Kuznetsov from Washington.

    Unlike other lists which seem to just follow draft position one year out this one has massive variance up and down which I think is more accurate. Anyway, Oscar Klefbom is coming in at #22 overall whihc is fine but more importantly, seems to really have moved up in his draft class. Assuming the NHL are 1-4:

    1. RNH (1)
    2. Landeskog (2)
    3. Larssen (4)
    4. Couturier (8)
    5. Huberdeau (3)
    6. Hamilton (9)
    7. Zibanejad (6)
    8. Sheifele (7)
    9. Strome (5)
    10. Brodin (12)
    11. Baertschi (13)
    12. Klefbom (19)
    13. Armia (16)
    14. Saad (43)
    15. Murphy (12)
    16. Morrow (23)
    17. JT Miller (15)
    18. Beaulieu (17)
    19. Rackell (30)
    20. Namestnkov (27)
    21. Rattie (32)
    22. McNeill (18)
    23. Khokhlachev (40)
    24. Daneault (26)
    25. Oleksiak (14)
    26. Jensen (29)
    27. Jenner (37)
    28. Noesen (21)

    So not only did they get one of the bigger risers they avoided a ton of guys that have fallen off the map like Siemens, Connor Murphy, Biggs, Phillips, Puempel and Percy.

    I guess the real home run would have been to see Musil move into the Top 75 but the arrows for Klefbom are certainly good news.

  26. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    Really?

    Hemsky’s been a scoring chance machine.

    He Hall and Gagner were on fire against ANA, but the puck didn’t go in the net.

    He’s been great.

    Your disappoint in regards to results in 5 games is hilarious.

  27. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Any word from Omark’s Barber?

  28. DSF says:

    Woodguy:
    Ducey,

    Really?

    Hemsky’s been a scoring chance machine.

    He Hall and Gagner were on fire against ANA, but the puck didn’t go in the net.

    He’s been great.

    Your disappoint in regards to results in 5 games is hilarious.

    Of course, counting scoring chances is akin to counting how many belles you can dance with at the Senior Prom.

    Sealing the deal is kind of important in both hockey and love. :)

    Being “on fire”, not so much, in either endeavour.

  29. Andrew W says:

    TheOtherJohn,

    I find the common comment about the Oilers not being able to compete for the cup without improved size at centre to be an odd one.

    Having won the cup last year, and having a solid chance to repeat this season, wouldn’t Boston qualify as a perennial contender? Their underrated centres measure in at 6′, 6’2″, 6′, 6′, and 6′, with not a single player weighing in at 200lbs or more. The corresponding list of names is Krejci, Bergeron, Kelly, Campbell, and Peverly, and the tallest of the lot is probably the least physical – Bergeron. (They are listed in order of draws taken, btw.) In my opinion, this suggests that critical skills at C are more important than size – this group excels by being good defensively, on the dot, positionally, and by having decent to excellent offensive abilities.

    I’d readily agree that the group of Oilers’ forwards as a whole need more effective players with size. It’s also easy to agree that a centre with a combination of size and skill would be ideal, so if Grigorenko is deemed to be an elite prospect with both then I’d support picking him. But I cannot agree that winning without monsters down the middle is impossible. A balance of skills is way more important, and Gagner is still a strong candidate to be a valuable contributor at this position.

  30. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DSF,

    I’m going to pack this one in my vault: “scoring chances don’t matter, signed DSF”

  31. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Obvious:
    .This notion that a team has a “top six” is a major impediment to winning.I would never hire a coach who ever used the words “top six.”

    Really? Without googling can you name San Jose’s “bottom” 6? Detroits? The Rangers?

    It’s when your “top 6″ F are indistinguishable from your “bottom 6″ that things get ugly. Oilers have a top 3 – 5 depending on who’s doing the counting and adding to that certainly wouldn’t be a problem.

  32. DSF says:

    Romulus Apotheosis:
    DSF,

    I’m going to pack this one in my vault: “scoring chances don’t matter, signed DSF”

    Don’t pack too tightly.

    Scoring chances do matter…scoring counts for an awful lot more.

    They actually decide games by goals scored for and against.

    Revolutionary.

  33. cabbiesmacker says:

    Andrew W:

    Nobody’s saying it has to be improved size at C although one can certainly argue the size/ strength assets when it comes to faceoffs.

    Oilers need to be bigger with more grit at Forward. Unfair to cite Boston’s C size while ignoring Horton, Lucic, Marchand who plays 6’1, and maybe Seguin in the near future.

    We’re too small and relatively easy to play against.

  34. rickithebear says:

    backlundblows: Mackenzie – said Lucic like style

    Lucic: had one year of .50G/60 at even and the rest 1.02G/60 Top 50
    Eager: one year of .59G/60 at even the rest .94G/60 top 70>
    the look for a 20G over the edge Power forward does not have to go far.
    Eager-RNH-Eberle.

    Post lock out would love to see:
    1. Horcoff amnesty buy out and resigned under 2M
    2. Smyth signed at a 35+ modanno Contract 2..75-3M per; .89G/60 top 90
    3. Sign Dustin Penner who had his best goals year with Gagner 1.26G/60 and was .94G/60 top 70 at evens. Can play both sides of wing and will be cap cheap.

    Hall-Gagner-Penner
    Eager-RNH-Eberle
    Smyth-Horc-Hemsky
    MP-Lander-Belanger
    Jones-????

  35. rickithebear says:

    DSF: They actually decide games by goals scored for and against.
    Revolutionary.

    The Red from 70 show dumbass award of the year.

    Sometimes the obvious gets missed. Like breathing

  36. Bar_Qu says:

    I despise Lucic simply because he has created a mythology that he is a player that is a) valuable and ii) easy to find.

    As I read it, on a much superior team, Lucic is only a little ahead of Hall and far behind Eberle. Yeah, apples and oranges, but still, the player is overrated for his impact on the game (and I’m not even going to behind the net to check on his corsi, etc)

  37. Andrew W says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I think we’re basically on the same page: contending teams need bigger effective size in their forward corps, from the top three to the bottom three. Boston’s wingers definitely compensate for their lack of an Arnott or Getzlaf down the middle.

    I just took exception to your statement that there needs to be a bigger body than Gags at 2C. There could be other solutions to the size issue.

  38. Woodguy says:

    So DD wins the last game (albeit in a SO) and Khabby starts tonight.

    Why?

    I don’t get it.

  39. Andrew W says:

    Andrew W,

    Wait – it wasn’t your comment, cabbie, it was theotherjohn’s.

    I think the point stands anyway…

  40. pboy says:

    Are you questioning Renney’s choices? Do you want to get chewed out like Spector?

    lol

    I was listening to Spector’s show yesterday when he ran the playback of his question to Renney and the “aggressive” response. If Spector got his back up over that, Torts would make him cry like a little girl after every game. Those clips of Torts and Larry Brooks look like a scene out of 300 compared to Renney vs. Spector.

  41. Jordan says:

    Woodguy,

    Management isn’t bringing him back and he knows it, so he’s having a tantrum because after coaching this horrible team for 2+ years, he’ll never work in the NHL again.

    Not that I blame him – working with these fools would drive me mad too.

  42. Traktor says:

    Renney isn’t playing a mediocre goalie b2b? Crazy.

    DD must have sideburns.

  43. Jordan says:

    Traktor,

    Yeah, because St. Nik is SO much better…. *eyeroll*

  44. Traktor says:

    Is there anyone here that wouldn’t trade Hemsky for Lucic?

    Not that Boston would ever do it but I’m just trying to grasp exactly how much Oiler fans overrate their players.

  45. Traktor says:

    Jordan:
    Traktor,

    Yeah, because St. Nik is SO much better…. *eyeroll*

    Well, Bulin’s stats ARE better and more importantly its a b2b game with travel.

    Feel free to go all-in on trivial matters though.

  46. ashley says:

    knighttown,

    Interesting. Thanks for passing it along. I remember a number of posters here talking about Rattie and Saad at pick 31. Someone was a Jenner fan too. Hindsight is 20/20, of course. There is still lots of time. Hopefully Musil will cover his bet.

    It’d be nice to hit on a second rounder like DAL, PHI, NYR and DET have been successful with over the past few years.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    DSF: Don’t pack too tightly.
    Scoring chances do matter…scoring counts for an awful lot more.
    They actually decide games by goals scored for and against.
    Revolutionary.

    ~Wait you mean the team with the most goals wins?~

    You’re biting sarcasm would have more oomph if it didn’t come at the cost of aligning yourself with a vicious case of BCP: BoxCar Partisanism leaning heavily toward BCO: BoxCar Onlyism.

  48. HeavySig says:

    DSF…snippy snip…

    Scoring chances do matter…scoring counts for an awful lot more.

    They actually decide games by goals scored for and against.

    Revolutionary.

    You came close to: “The game is played on the ice, not on the spreadsheet!”

    DSF, your onion belt is showing.

  49. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: Ducey, Really?Hemsky’s been a scoring chance machine.He Hall and Gagner were on fire against ANA, but the puck didn’t go in the net.He’s been great.Your disappoint in regards to results in 5 games is hilarious.

    Please let me know at what number of games my disappointment will not be hilarious. Will it still be funny when he finishes with 37 points in 69 games this year (his current seasonal pace)? Will that be a sad enough season to kill the humour?

    How about if he gets a whopping 44 points in 82 games next year (assuming he plays that many) and is outscored by some rookie (perhaps Grigorenko)?

  50. Woodguy says:

    Ducey: Please let me know at what number of games my disappointment will not be hilarious.Will it still be funny when he finishes with 37 points in 69 games this year (his current seasonal pace)? Will that be a sad enough season to kill the humour?

    How about if he gets a whopping 44 points in 82 games next year (assuming he plays that many) and is outscored by some rookie (perhaps Grigorenko)?

    Would you care wager on Hemsky’s point totals?

    Seriously, if you don’t know why juding anyone on 5 games is not smart, then it explains a lot of things.

  51. "Steve Smith" says:

    cabbiesmacker: Really? Without googling can you name San Jose’s “bottom” 6? Detroits? The Rangers?

    It’s when your “top 6″ F are indistinguishable from your “bottom 6″ that things get ugly. Oilers have a top 3 – 5 depending on who’s doing the counting and adding to that certainly wouldn’t be a problem.

    If, as Captain Obvious states (correctly, to reveal my bias), the concept of “top six” is stupid, then it follows (assuming twelve forwards) that the concept of “bottom six” is also stupid. In other words, you’re missing the point. Again.

    rickithebear: Sometimes the obvious gets missed. Like breathing

    Um, most of us have no trouble remembering to breathe, Ricki.

  52. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    To be clear.

    You are betting that Hemsly scores 44 points next year. Correct?

  53. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    LT should take advantage of all the betting going on here… it’s like hockeystars or something.

  54. Woodguy says:

    Traktor: Well, Bulin’s stats ARE better and more importantly its a b2b game with travel.

    Feel free to go all-in on trivial matters though.

    The Oilers played Tuesday, today is Thursday, how is that a back to back.

    DD’s SV% is better since DEC than Khabby.

  55. "Steve Smith" says:

    Woodguy: The Oilers played Tuesday, today is Thursday, how is that a back to back.

    Kyle Welllwood is superior to Shawn Horcoff.

  56. Woodguy says:

    Sounds like the lines are:

    4-93-14
    23-89-83
    94-10-20
    16-20-37

    I like the looks of that, except it would be nice to have a hockey player on 4LW.

  57. Woodguy says:

    “Steve Smith”: Shawn Horcoff sucks.

    Gilbert is -4 with MIN EL-OH-EL

  58. bendelson says:

    In a must lose game playing NK is not a bad move. Since his crazy first 10 or so games, his numbers stink to high heaven and are clearly worse than DD who himself has not been very good.

    Playing to lose. Its what Renney and Tambo know best. Let them both go and bring in a few winners over the summer to move this team forward.

  59. Captain Obvious says:

    cabbiesmacker: Really? Without googling can you name San Jose’s “bottom” 6? Detroits? The Rangers?

    It’s when your “top 6″ F are indistinguishable from your “bottom 6″ that things get ugly. Oilers have a top 3 – 5 depending on who’s doing the counting and adding to that certainly wouldn’t be a problem.

    Steve beat me to it but your response proves my point. San Jose isn’t as good as they should be precisely because they have only two good lines. By contrast, the Rangers are good precisely because their three top lines are pretty indistinguishable.

  60. Traktor says:

    Woodguy: Gilbert is -4 with MIN EL-OH-EL

    With zero points.

  61. Traktor says:

    "Steve Smith": Kyle Welllwood is superior to Shawn Horcoff.

    65 14 25 39 +6 750k
    66 12 20 32 -20 5.5M

    Its quite sad, actually.

  62. Captain Obvious says:

    Eager out with the flue. Hordichuk in. It will be interesting to see how this effects Renney’s “third” line, whichever line that might be.

  63. Ducey says:

    Eager out with the flue.

    Whats he doing in a chimney in the first place?

  64. cabbiesmacker says:

    “Steve Smith”: If, as Captain Obvious states (correctly, to reveal my bias), the concept of “top six” is stupid, then it follows (assuming twelve forwards) that the concept of “bottom six” is also stupid.In other words, you’re missing the point.Again.

    Um, most of us have no trouble remembering to breathe, Ricki.

    Top 3? Top 6? Top 9? Top 12? How does it matter how it’s broken down qty wise when it ends up being …simply not enough talent in any of them? Fairly important when icetime alloted seems to be directly related to line designation and a teams win/loss results predicated by the success of it’s top 3 and 6 moreso than the bottom 6 I would think.

    If you’d like to rebut that a teams bottom 6 is more attributable to wins than their top 6 while playing close to half the minutes please feel free.

    I never said bottom 6 F isn’t important. It just isn’t AS important. Securing more “top 6 talent” types should result in players previously designated as such being pushed down and a team getting stronger as a result i.e Horcoff to 3C

    Lets just suppose for interests sake my team has Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Tikkanen , and Simpson for a “TOP 6″. I should lose a bunch of sleep over how MacTavish, Krushylneski, Hannan, Lacombe, and McLelland are playing? Valuable? Sure. As valuable? In your world I guess Steveo.

  65. Ducey says:

    Woodguy: Would you care wager on Hemsky’s point totals?Seriously, if you don’t know why juding anyone on 5 games is not smart, then it explains a lot of things.

    No, I don’t want to bet against Hemsky, I want to cheer for the guy. He is making pretty hard to do so.

    I am just interested when you will stop handing out “Hemsky Fanclub” memberships and admit that he is not having a good season. Will this season be enough? Or will he have to bomb out next season on the scoresheet as well ?

  66. Jordan says:

    Ducey: No, I don’t want to bet against Hemsky, I want to cheer for the guy.He is making pretty hard to do so.

    I am just interested when you will stop handing out “Hemsky Fanclub” memberships and admit that he is not having a good season.Will this season be enough? Or will he have to bomb out next season on the scoresheet as well ?

    So, is your position that he’s having a bad season? Or that he is no longer a player with who can be counted on to score 60 pts / season? Because you are talking about them like one is the same as the other, but they are different.

    I would have to suggest that if you think Hemsky is having a bad season this year (what with the first half being ass) then you probably think he still has 60 pt potential.

    That’s the camp I’m in. And I’d say that his season has been sub-optimal. But there has been marked improvement from his play early on to his play recently.

  67. Woodguy says:

    Ducey,

    I am just interested when you will stop handing out “Hemsky Fanclub” memberships and admit that he is not having a good season. Will this season be enough? Or will he have to bomb out next season on the scoresheet as well ?

    i have said in many threads that Hemsky isn’t having a good season. Very slow to start after the surgery and said he didn’t feel right until early Jan in CHI.

    SInce that time he has 18pts in 28 games.(0.642pts/gm) Not great, but he’s playing well and the points will come.

    I don’t understand this:

    admit that he is not having a good season. Will this season be enough? Or will he have to bomb out next season on the scoresheet as well ?

    Are you asking me if he needs to have a bad season next season in order for this season to be bad?

    Its confusing.

    If you look at the scoring chances that Dennis counts, he is 32-24 = +8 in the last 5 games. That’s the best number among Oiler forwards over that stretch.

    He playing well and if you can’t see that, that’s your issue.

    Saying he makes it hard to cheer for him with how well he has played is quite bizarre, as he’s been the best OIler on more than one night.

    Are you watching the games at all? Serious question, because even the Hemsky haters I know agree he’s been better, but you, a fan who wants to cheer for him, say he’s junk…..does not compute.

    Daniel Sedin has 1 point in his last 6 games, is he garbage too?

  68. bookje says:

    I am a little pissed off now. I have defended Hemsky many times on this blog and have yet to receive my Hemsky Fanclub membership!

    Now that I hear that Woodguy is in charge of them, I am wondering if maybe he is hording them with a plan to sell them later when Hemsky returns to form. I am beginning to think that he might have a gambling problem and might be desperate for money. Maybe he is not the best person to be in charge of the Hemsky Fanclub memberships?

    Has anyone else received theirs?

  69. Captain Obvious says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    I’m not sure you understand the issue we are discussing. The reason thinking about hockey in terms of a “top six” is wrongheaded is because it leads to throwing away talent (like Omark) because they don’t fit into your lineup. Thus teams that are constructed around the notion of top six forwards inevitably get rid of talent because of a magical idea that is not reflected on the ice.

    Your comments are non-responsive to this point.

  70. Woodguy says:

    bookje:
    I am a little pissed off now.I have defended Hemsky many times on this blog and have yet to receive my Hemsky Fanclub membership!

    Now that I hear that Woodguy is in charge of them, I am wondering if maybe he is hording them with a plan to sell them later when Hemsky returns to form. I am beginning to think that he might have a gambling problem and might be desperate for money.Maybe he is not the best person to be in charge of the Hemsky Fanclub memberships?

    Has anyone else received theirs?

    You are getting uncomfortably close to the truth.

    Careful, I know a lot Czech’s in this city who owe me “favors”

  71. spoiler says:

    LT said…

    One final note: WHERE is the Tambellini renewal? Renney?

    Well Kevin Lowe is the GM of Canada’s 2012 World Championships entry.

    You’d think they’d actually ask/appoint an actual GM of a team…

    Or did they?

  72. "Steve Smith" says:

    I hereby predict that Kevin Lowe will never again be General Manager of the Oilers, and that Craig MacTavish will never again be head coach of the Oilers. I’d also be surprised to see MacT as GM, but I’m less confident about that. The optics would be too bad: the Oilers, failing, reaching back to a different era of failure.

    I’d actually like to see MacT back in either capacity (in that he’d be an improvement over the status quo, though I have to imagine there’s someone better out there looking for a job), but I can’t see it happening.

  73. Bar_Qu says:

    Woodguy: You are getting uncomfortably close to the truth.

    Careful, I know a lot Czech’s in this city who owe me “favors”

    Too bad the Czechs don’t owe you cheques *sad noise*

    I am sorry, couldn’t help myself.

  74. spoiler says:

    “Steve”, I pretty much agree. I don’t know how they would be able to spin it either. Was just throwing Lowe’s impending GMship out there. See if a match can start a fire.

  75. Woodguy says:

    spoiler:
    “Steve”, I pretty much agree. I don’t know how they would be able to spin it either. Was just throwing Lowe’s impending GMship out there. See if a match can start a fire.

    These guys have been out of the playoff for 6 years.

    1st team to go to the SCF and then miss the playoffs for 6 consecutive years.

    They call this year 2 of the rebuild.

    There is a waiting list for season tickets.

    They are top 10 in the NHL for gate revenues.

    I don’t think they worry too much about spin.

  76. Ducey says:

    Are you asking me if he needs to have a bad season next season in order for this season to be bad?

    Its confusing.

    I was asking at what point you would admit that Hemsky was having a bad season. Apparently you already do. That was hard to discern from “He’s been great”.

    Regardless of “saw him good” and scoring chances, Hemsky needs to actually put up points. Until he does at something close to his normal clip, he will be a disappointment.

  77. jake70 says:

    What’s the scoop on the timing out of the messages? Can’t seem to post,

  78. jake70 says:

    Oh there we go…..anyway, Halifax in town….going to check out the Nathan Mackinnon kid….who knows we may be discussing him in the spring of 2013.

  79. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Obvious: Steve beat me to it but your response proves my point.San Jose isn’t as good as they should be precisely because they have only two good lines.By contrast, the Rangers are good precisely because their three top lines are pretty indistinguishable.

    Gotcha now. In NY Dubinsky (at times), Prust, Boyle, and Fedotenko are lifting heavilly at F and a major reason the Rangers are near top of the league and Richards, Callahan, Gaborik, Stepan, Hagelin, and Ansimov are not driving the bus. A very good defence and all world goaltending from Lundqvist aren’t worth noting.

    In SJ McGinn (then), Mitchell, Handzus are a major reason the Sharks aren’t higher up in the standings. Not defence, timely goaltending, special teams or injuries. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Lets just saw off on decent Depth being the major factor in Oilerland ok? Oilers suck because they don’t have much of it…at any position.

  80. cabbiesmacker says:

    “Steve Smith”:

    I’d actually like to see MacT back in either capacity (in that he’d be an improvement over the status quo, though I have to imagine there’s someone better out there looking for a job),

    Ya think?

  81. VOR says:

    Returning to the last post for a moment. Over the last two years the goalies who have played anything like regular minutes can be described the following way:

    Horrible games = anything under .800 SV% 5.6% percent of all games average worst outing .677
    Bad games = .800 – .899 SV% 30.6% of all games
    Mediocre games = .900 – .913% 11.5%
    Above average = .914% – .949% 30%
    Great = .950+ 23.3%

    This gives us a new way to review goalie performance (an average goalie takes you out of about 36% of games, holds you in about 41% and flat out steals 23%)

    A year ago Devan Dubnyk looked pretty good

    HG = 5.7%
    BG = 31.4%
    MG = 8.5%
    AAG = 25.7%
    GG = 28.6%

    He cost the Oilers 37%, kept them in 34% and stole 29%

    This year

    HG = 8.6%
    BG = 40%
    MG = 5.7%
    AAG = 25.7%
    GG = 20.0%

    So we are right, this year he is playing badly, the question is, of the free agents who is better that Dubnyk this year?

    The list is shorter than you would thinking of UFAs who are as good or better than Dubnyk amongst UFAs who played in the NHL this year..

    Josh Harding

    HG = 3.8%
    BG = 40.7%
    MG = 0%
    AAG = 29.6%
    GG =25.9%

    Evgeni Nabokov

    HG = 5.7%
    BG = 22.8%
    MG = 11.4%
    AAG = 22.8%
    GG = 34.3%

    Ray Emery

    HG = 6.9%
    BG = 27.6%
    MG = 13.8%
    AAG = 24.1%
    GG = 27.6%

    Al Montoya

    HG = 0%
    BG = 40.9%
    MG = 0%
    AAG = 27.3%
    GG = 31.8%

    Johan Hedberg

    HG = 4.2%
    BG = 33.3%
    MG = 16.6%
    AAG = 25%
    GG = 20.8%

    Scott Clemmensen

    HG = 12%
    BG = 28%
    MG = 12%
    AAG = 24%
    GG = 24%

    Thomas Vokoun

    HG = 11.6%
    BG = 30.2%
    MG = 11.6%
    AAG = 18.6%
    GG = 28%

    I think we could argue each guy is better, at some part of the game, than Dubnyk but that the clear winner is Nabokov. Then Emery, Vokoun, Montoya, Harding, Hedberg, and Clemmensen.

  82. TheOtherJohn says:

    Delighted to see Hemsky resign here and think it is a good deal for a team with no possible replacement on immediate horizon but I, too, have not received my Hemsky fan club membership. Must be holding off until I get my Lowe/Tambellini/the Plan Fan Club membership. Oh wait, that is never gonna happen.

    Andrew if you believe RNH are big enough at 1C and 2C we agree to disagree. I do not worry about how tall you are as 1/2C. Bryan Trottier was 5’11″ and was plenty big. RNH is slight (and some slight LH centers were very very good in the playoffs) and Gagner is short and a twitch slow.

    Lowe/MacT will happen if Katz wants it to happen. Do not think that will be straw that broke MSM back, resulting in a series of critical columns on Oiler management. Course to have a series of critical articles, we would first have to have one. Wonder if resigning Barker would be sufficiently bad to result in critical article

    Would have no difficulty with MacT back. Lowe not so much, he has already failed at the job.

  83. Lowetide says:

    I checked it out, and apparently you must be a “leave work early” kind of person in order to qualify for the Hemsky fanclub. Everyone who posts here works too hard to qualify.

    Damn.

  84. knighttown says:

    jake70:
    Oh there we go…..anyway, Halifax in town….going to check out the Nathan Mackinnon kid….who knows we may be discussing him in the spring of 2013.

    Was at the Moose game last night. They destroyed Bathurst 7-0 and MacKinnon had 2-and-1 I believe. Draft eligible Frk looked terrific too which is nice cause I hated his game the first few times I saw him this year coming off a serious injury.

    No question MacKinnon has the goods. Elite skater at that level, pretty good size and as smooth as silk. Skates kind of like Modano actually with the jersey flapping. My worry is that Quebec hockey seems to have fallen off the map. There are 13 legit NHL prospects (out of 300 in THN’s Future Watch) compared to close to 50 in the O and 30+ in the Dub. MacKinnon and Grigorenko are terrific prospects but I’d trust the more battle tested Yakupov, Hall or Nugent-Hopkins all things being equal.

    With Frk, he was a Top-5 guy last year but had some weird concussion thing that cost him the World Juniors and frankly, he just looked terrible around then anyway. He does possess a massive shot and his skating looks much better including one rush where he dangled the whole Bathurst team. He might well slide into the middle of the second round (Bobby Mac has him at 32). At 6’0″, 205 he’s kind of got that Kovalenko build.

  85. knighttown says:

    Woodguy (who fixed TSN) or someone else:

    Can someone please explain the blackout rules the NHL uses? I live in Halifax so attending the game tonight in Edmonton seems unlikely. But for some reason my Centre Ice package is blacking out tonights Oilers/Habs game. Before I unload on CI can someone explain the rationale?

  86. DSF says:

    knighttown:
    Woodguy (who fixed TSN) or someone else:

    Can someone please explain the blackout rules the NHL uses?I live in Halifax so attending the game tonight in Edmonton seems unlikely.But for some reason my Centre Ice package is blacking out tonights Oilers/Habs game.Before I unload on CI can someone explain the rationale?

    The game is being broadcast on TSN Habs.

    Is that available in NS?

  87. Traktor says:

    Jack Johnson with another goal tonight.

    2 goals, 4 points, +2 in 6 games so far with the 30th place jackets.

    I think it will be another year before he puts it all together but I think he will end up an absolute beast for CBus.

  88. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    I checked it out, and apparently you must be a “leave work early” kind of person in order to qualify for the Hemsky fanclub. Everyone who posts here works too hard to qualify.

    As evidenced by all the weekday morning/afternoon posting that gets done around here?

  89. godot10 says:

    If Centre Ice doesn’t have the game, it is probably because RDS has it on your IPTV, satellite, or cable service. (speculation on my part).

    When Cornet was called up, Renney played him on the 2nd line.

    It is impossible to protect more than one centre on a hockey team in terms of line matching. Nugent-Hopkins probably needs two more years of “protection”. I don’t see one can run both Nugent-Hopkins and Grigorenko simultanously and win hockey games in the short term. The Oilers would be a lottery team next year again.

    Murray is getting the Couturier treatment.

  90. Traktor says:

    godot10:
    I don’t see one can run both Nugent-Hopkins and Grigorenko simultanously and win hockey games in the short term.The Oilers would be a lottery team next year again.

    Edmonton is already looking at a lottery finish next year with or without Grigorenko. If they don’t improve their D and get a real goalie then sure, playing Grigs would likely mean another lottery finish but they would finish in the lottery even if they kept their 4 C’s intact.

  91. jake70 says:

    knighttown: Was at the Moose game last night.They destroyed Bathurst 7-0 and MacKinnon had 2-and-1 I believe.Draft eligible Frk looked terrific too which is nice cause I hated his game the first few times I saw him this year coming off a serious injury.

    No question MacKinnon has the goods. Elite skater at that level, pretty good size and as smooth as silk.Skates kind of like Modano actually with the jersey flapping.My worry is that Quebec hockey seems to have fallen off the map.There are 13 legit NHL prospects (out of 300 in THN’s Future Watch) compared to close to 50 in the O and 30+ in the Dub.MacKinnon and Grigorenko are terrific prospects but I’d trust the more battle tested Yakupov, Hall or Nugent-Hopkins all things being equal.

    With Frk, he was a Top-5 guy last year but had some weird concussion thing that cost him the World Juniors and frankly, he just looked terrible around then anyway.He does possess a massive shot and his skating looks much better including one rush where he dangled the whole Bathurst team.He might well slide into the middle of the second round (Bobby Mac has him at 32).At 6’0″, 205 he’s kind of got that Kovalenko build.

    Just back from the game. Sorry Knighttown but Moncton just put a beating on Halifax 7-1…lol. MacKinnon was covered pretty good by the cats, but you could see the finesse and skill easily. You’re right, his skating is pretty smooth, easily the best skater out there. I counted 3 times he lost the puck at the blueline on the rush at full flight, trying to dangle.

    DSF – TSN is a national network, we all know that Canada ends at the Quebec-NB border, so no TSN in Nova Scotia……;-)

  92. Woodguy says:

    Cunneyworth counters Khabby starting with Budaj in “The Race for a Russian”

    Well played Mr. Cunneyworth.

  93. DSF says:

    jake70: Just back from the game.Sorry Knighttown but Moncton just put a beating on Halifax 7-1…lol. MacKinnon was covered pretty good by the cats, but you could see the finesse and skill easily.You’re right, his skating is pretty smooth, easily the best skater out there.I counted 3 times he lost the puck at the blueline on the rush at full flight, trying to dangle.

    DSF– TSN is a national network, we all know that Canada ends at the Quebec-NB border, so no TSN in Nova Scotia……;-)

    Can we stop sending those equalization payments then?

  94. Lowetide says:

    Christ, if there were a male with a peg leg available one guesses one of the teams might dress him in goal. My apologies to those with orthotic devices.

  95. Woodguy says:

    jake70,

    smooth, easily the best skater out there. I counted 3 times he lost the puck at the blueline on the rush at full flight, trying to dangle.

    If he like to leave the ice after practice he’d be hated in Edmonton.

    I’d start his fanclub though.

    During my coffee break at work.

  96. Lowetide says:

    Geez, Hemsky looks like he left the bench before this ceremony. Should have been working on his shot.

  97. jonrmcleod (aka GospelofJon) says:

    Anyone have a link to a feed? I live in NS and don’t have RDS. Can’t get it on GameCenter.

  98. Lois Lowe says:

    I know I have been harping on the penalty thing a lot, so this will be my last comment about it. Louie said that the Oilers we 1/3 in 4 games. Less than a powerplay per game is bizarre.

  99. Lowetide says:

    Oilers get a nice PP goal, RNH gets to 40 points and Horcoff adds to his HHOF qualifications.

  100. "Steve Smith" says:

    Rob Brown has never been a big fan of matchups. His reasoning is that if you think you have players good enough to face any players in the league, you should just let them play and let the other team try to match against you.

    And all you need is a roster full of tough comp outscorers.

  101. Traktor says:

    Bishop 2-0, .925 sv%

    What is DD’s trade value if Bishop is worth a 2nd?

  102. Lowetide says:

    Bieska hurt. Dammit!

  103. Bos8 says:

    First row sports.eu works fine

    NB Don’t fall for any gimmicks. Ignore and delete

  104. Woodguy says:

    Interesting goalie stat for the Oilers (I think LT had these up the other day)

    5v5 SV%

    DD .921
    Nik .912

    4v5 SV%

    DD .843
    Nik .913

    Nik’s the only goalie with 20+ games to have a better 4v5 SV% than 5v5. BIg aberration there.

    Someone was talking the other day about DD not being mobile enough from side to side.

    I wonder if that’s why his 4v5 is so bad this year.

    Last year:

    5v5 SV%

    DD .921
    Nik .905

    4v5 SV%

    DD .889
    Nik .815

    Nik was awful last year 4v5.

    Interesting that DD is posting the same number 5v5 as he did last year.

    DD’s .925 5v5 ranks him 26th among NHL goalies who have played at least 20 games this year.

    I don’t think you throw him away yet.

    At the very least he’s a capable back up.

    He may be more yet, he’s only played 89 NHL games.

    Odometer is still near showroom condition.

  105. "Steve Smith" says:

    Stauffer just speculated that if Smyth re-signs, he’ll be a frequent healthy scratch.

    Makes sense – there’s no room for him in the top six, and he’s not a bottom-sixer.

  106. Traktor says:

    Ugly attempt by Gagner on the 2-1 goal.

  107. SK Oiler Fan says:

    That’s a dangerous, dirty play by Cole – should be more than 2, but they never call it that way.

  108. ASkoreyko says:

    I think OMark got the message about defense first. He missed out on a opportunity there right after the PP as he was busy getting back into a defensive position.

    Might be hard to send the guy back down…

  109. Rebilled says:

    no goal

  110. Lowetide says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Stauffer just speculated that if Smyth re-signs, he’ll be a frequent healthy scratch.

    Makes sense – there’s no room for him in the top six, and he’s not a bottom-sixer.

    This is actually crazy. I know we use the word a lot, but this is beyond what we might call sanity.

  111. SK Oiler Fan says:

    BS – you can’t push the goalie’s pad over the line anyway – no goal

    And how was the zebra so adamant about it being in, when he’s staring right at it as it sits on the line?? Bizarre.

  112. Woodguy says:

    Harding hurt again tonight.

    I wouldn’t sign him.

  113. pboy says:

    Lowetide: This is actually crazy. I know we use the word a lot, but this is beyond what we might call sanity.

    I know that Stauffer is a mouthpiece for the club but there’s still a ton of speculative bullshit that comes out of him.

  114. SK Oiler Fan says:

    VOR: Returning to the last post for a moment. Over the last two years the goalies who have played anything like regular minutes can be described the following way:Horrible games = anything under .800 SV% 5.6% percent of all games average worst outing .677Bad games = .800 – .899 SV% 30.6% of all gamesMediocre games = .900 – .913% 11.5%Above average = .914% – .949% 30%Great = .950+ 23.3%This gives us a new way to review goalie performance (an average goalie takes you out of about 36% of games, holds you in about 41% and flat out steals 23%)A year ago Devan Dubnyk looked pretty good HG = 5.7%BG = 31.4%MG = 8.5%AAG = 25.7%GG = 28.6%He cost the Oilers 37%, kept them in 34% and stole 29%This yearHG = 8.6%BG = 40%MG = 5.7%AAG = 25.7%GG = 20.0%So we are right, this year he is playing badly, the question is, of the free agents who is better that Dubnyk this year?The list is shorter than you would thinking of UFAs who are as good or better than Dubnyk amongst UFAs who played in the NHL this year.. Josh HardingHG = 3.8%BG = 40.7%MG = 0%AAG = 29.6%GG =25.9%Evgeni NabokovHG = 5.7%BG = 22.8%MG = 11.4%AAG = 22.8%GG = 34.3%Ray EmeryHG = 6.9%BG = 27.6%MG = 13.8%AAG = 24.1%GG = 27.6%Al MontoyaHG = 0%BG = 40.9%MG = 0%AAG = 27.3%GG = 31.8%Johan HedbergHG = 4.2%BG = 33.3%MG = 16.6%AAG = 25%GG = 20.8%Scott ClemmensenHG = 12%BG = 28%MG = 12%AAG = 24%GG = 24%Thomas VokounHG = 11.6%BG = 30.2%MG = 11.6%AAG = 18.6%GG = 28%I think we could argue each guy is better, at some part of the game, than Dubnyk but that the clear winner is Nabokov. Then Emery, Vokoun, Montoya, Harding, Hedberg, and Clemmensen.

    Interesting stuff VOR – I think this shows that standard deviation from goalie to goalie is all over the map.
    Just for comparison purposes how does a Lunquvist grade out using these metrics?

  115. bendelson says:

    It is becoming very enjoyable to watch Petry play hockey. His recent elevation in play, multiplied by the Smid factor, equates to the makings of a really solid 20+ min pairing looking forward. I didn’t see this coming.

  116. knighttown says:

    I posted this a few days ago but was told to wait a few games before calling it a trend. So…I’ve waited a few games.

    Why is Nick Schultz playing #6D minutes? He’s usually around 17 minutes and hasn’t played more than 181/2. Meanwhile Whitney has a game over 25 and Potter has a few over 22. Even Peckham played more than Schultz the other night? Again, this is not a comment about his play so far which has been just fine but I’ll ask again…

    Why trade your #1D in terms of ice time for a player who you will use as your #6D?

    There are no financial reasons, no age difference and no vastly different skill sets. I’m actually not going to wait for your answer like last time…I believe this is Tom Renney’s way of protesting the trade as nothing else makes sense. If the GM thought he was a #6D he’d never have made the trade but if the coach thinks he’s the equivalent of Gilbert he’d play him 22+ minutes a night.

    Dysfunction.

  117. bendelson says:

    I’m having the complete opposite reaction watching Peckham.

  118. striatic says:

    it is like they’ve sent Peckham out there with explicit instructions to throw the game.

  119. striatic says:

    knighttown,

    going by Renney’s post trade reaction, i think that isn’t outlandish speculation.

  120. rich says:

    I miss the first two periods and come in to see that Peckham and Khabibulin are doing their best to make sure that we don’t pass Montreal.

    My bad, should also thank Renney for putting Khabibulin in tonight. That was a lovely five hole on him.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Boy, they’re bad. Just mind bogglingly bad. I don’t even care if that’s a word. Mind bogglingly bad. That’s what they are.

    Peckham has no brain, Whitney is hobbled and Schultz is stapled to the third pairing. Mind bogglingly bad.

  122. bendelson says:

    Shultz and Petry? What’s this?

  123. knighttown says:

    I can see Theo and Cam out for a drink tonight.

    (Barker raises glass)
    Epic performance my friend

    (Peckham clinks glass and tips hat)
    Your move Barker. Your move.

  124. DeadmanWaking says:

    They actually decide games by goals scored for and against.

    Yeah, and they aggregate and report these totals on the internet, almost up to the minute, to universal agreement. People even mostly agree when a number in the Pts column is odious (or insufficiently odious, for our out-of-closet affineurs). The soft numbers come into play when people gather to debate whatcha gonna do about it. Hard numbers are rarely central to divergent opinion.

    Pre-date pit sniff: ugh, rank factor six (this is the fairly objective part). Supplementary pit sniff: a tinge of rancid willow bark. Decision time! Man of action: you plow aside the bubble atomizers and reach for the Brut.

    Most of the arguments here are along the lines of whether (enough) Brut solves for need. After you’ve taken the rancid smell in the Pts column as given, it’s the soft data that feels the limelight. Crunch time, we all sort our potions by scoring chance.

    The other discussion goes like this: “My pits smell like champagne! How do I apply for an Appellation d’origine contrôlée?”

  125. Lucinius says:

    Is Sutton hurt or something? I’ve seen nothing this season to suggest Peckham or Barker are superior options to him.

  126. Ducey says:

    Subban is eating Eberle’s lunch.

    Renney either has to line match or get someone to repeatedly drive Subban’s head thru the boards.

  127. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lucinius,

    Sutton’s another guy Stauffer predicted would be a frequent healthy scratch next year. Which will actually make a lot of sense, assuming the Oilers acquire about four legitimate NHL defencemen between now and then.

  128. knighttown says:

    Seriously though, I don’t fucking get it. Peckham has played a minute more than Schultz and he’s been in the box for 6 fucking minutes. Please someone help here. Bookie…you sometimes take the Devil’s Advocate role and do well.

    You’ve got three defensemen who are literally killing this team and two that are absolute studs. Early results from Staples show #15 is part of the solution but they won’t fucking play him.

  129. Woodguy says:

    Gagner is having a really shitty game.

    Lots of weak giveaways, poor passing, his check scored the 2nd goal.

    Not good.

  130. pboy says:

    DeadmanWaking: Yeah, and they aggregate and report these totals on the internet, almost up to the minute, to universal agreement.People even mostly agree when a number in the Pts column is odious (or insufficiently odious, for our out-of-closet affineurs).The soft numbers come into play when people gather to debate whatcha gonna do about it.Hard numbers are rarely central to divergent opinion.

    Pre-date pit sniff: ugh, rank factor six (this is the fairly objective part).Supplementary pit sniff: a tinge of rancid willow bark.Decision time!Man of action: you plow aside the bubble atomizers and reach for the Brut.

    Most of the arguments here are along the lines of whether (enough) Brut solves for need.After you’ve taken the rancid smell in the Pts column as given, it’s the soft data that feels the limelight.Crunch time, we all sort our potions by scoring chance.

    The other discussion goes like this: “My pits smell like champagne!How do I apply for an Appellation d’origine contrôlée?”

    Are you currently wearing a tinfoil hat?

  131. knighttown says:

    Love the tweet below…

    “Theo Peckham thinks he’s invisible, but he isn’t”

  132. Lucinius says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Which makes no sense, honestly. I think he’s shown well enough this year that he’s a solid third pairing guy with a little offensive upside and can put people in their place without screwing over the team like Teddy Peckman.

    I don’t know. A lot of this is likely coloured by personal bias/impatience, but.. for every good decision Renney makes it feels like he makes two bad ones.

  133. Henry says:

    knighttown:
    Seriously though, I don’t fucking get it.Peckham has played a minute more than Schultz and he’s been in the box for 6 fucking minutes.Please someone help here.Bookie…you sometimes take the Devil’s Advocate role and do well.

    You’ve got three defensemen who are literally killing this team and two that are absolute studs.Early results from Staples show #15 is part of the solution but they won’t fucking play him.

    Renney doesn’t have a new contract. Maybe they aren’t even talking to him about one. Maybe he’s pissed.

    Maybe he’ll pull Khabbi with 6 minutes left. Hall plays a pretty good net you know.

  134. "Steve Smith" says:

    pboy,

    A tinfoil hat MADE OF AWESOME.

    Seriously, I love DMW. So much that I forgive him for making those favourable comments about the Big Bang Theory a while back.

    (Recent quote from someone in my Facebook feed: “Arrested Development: Smart jokes about dumb people. Big Bang Theory: Dumb jokes about smart people.”)

  135. pboy says:

    Bob Loblaw.

  136. Woodguy says:

    That Hall is ok though.

  137. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lucinius,

    Yeah, totally agree. I think I’m actually slightly higher on Sutton than most here, which is odd because he’s so Truculent. At this point, he’s the Oilers’ third or fourth best defenseman (which is not high praise, but he doesn’t belong in the pressbox).

    Maybe Renney’s not just giving an F-you to management by limiting Schultz’s play so much, but also by sitting their prize free agent signing. Hemsky’s exempt, because Renney knows that management didn’t really want him.

  138. bendelson says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    Is ‘the rank factor 6′ Ryan Whitney?

  139. "Steve Smith" says:

    Schultz with another assist. Turns out he’s an offensive dynamo, smothered by Minnesota’s stifling defensive system.

  140. Lucinius says:

    Only so long the good young forwards can carry the sheer number of anchors, though.

    I’ll agree Gagner has been poor tonight. You take him away from 14 and he really doesn’t seem to do as well. Those two have to stay together if we want to run two top lines, I think, based on how the various players mesh.

    Gagner/Eberle, RNH/Hemsky and you throw Hall and Omark on those two as needed throughout the game (going by current roster).

    I think Gagner simply has to play with other cerebral players and not an instinctive skill player like Hemsky.

  141. SK Oiler Fan says:

    knighttown,

    That should result in immediate dismissal. Contunually putting Belanger on the PP was another action that should have resulted in a firing.

  142. knighttown says:

    Habs are pretty similar to the Oilers. They’ve got some pieces…man, do they have some pieces in Pacioretty, Subban and Price. For that team to be in 3rd last they must have one shit load of passengers.

  143. Woodguy says:

    Whitney needs someone to push him from behind to get up to speed.

    He’s good enough to trade your TOI horse though.

  144. Lucinius says:

    SK Oiler Fan,

    We have the best PP in the league, though! Obviously its working!

    Anyways; completely winnable game tossed out the window.

    The refs even gave out penalties to both teams! How often does that happen now!?

    I do find it amusing that the Oilers’ powerplay gets good as the league continues to reduce penalties to new modern lows.

  145. knighttown says:

    Gotta think McCurdy is strongly considering handing out only his second 1 (out of 10) to Peckham after that performance. The shift where he took his game-losing-goal penalty was the worst Oiler shift since the legendary Chorney/Strudwick shift in Detroit. He missed the pass at the blueline, skated back and had position on Eller a much smaller guy but yet got destroyed on the puck battle and had to hook in to save a goal. Before the Oilers could touch the puck to get the penalty called he should have had 5 other penalties and in between managed to cause 3 or 4 “sure” goals against while running around smashing the wrong guys with his stick.

  146. Lois Lowe says:

    I hate the word truculent. No one used it until Brian Burke brought it back into favor during his first media appearance with the Leafs and now its just become part of normal hockey parlance.

  147. knighttown says:

    Nick Schultz with 15:25 in ice time tonight to go with his +1. Absolute fuckery.

  148. hunter1909 says:

    Gagner looks 5 years older now he’s stopped playing with his mouthguard.

    Hall on a 3 game pointless streak wasn’t not going to score tonight. Hall’s going to score the same goals in cup winning games of the future.

    Cheery Habs fans comment tonight: “Can’t compete with a team with a PHD in tanking”.

  149. Lucinius says:

    Lois Lowe,

    Really? I hear it daily and have for at least the last twenty years.

    To be fair, however, at least 80% of the time it was used wrong.

  150. knighttown says:

    I mentioned after the game last week that Petrell and Jones scoring a goal was the worst thing possible for this team in that, knowing Renney, it’d buy them each 7-10 days of supplying nothing before the coach would start to take notice.

    I’ve been all for having 91 spend some time in the NHL but c’mon, it’s garbage time here now. Shouldn’t we see what he can do for the last 15 games?

    Actually, one thing I do support is dressing Hordichuk. Let me qualify that; I support it because 16 is so terrible he doesn’t get any ice time and the Oilers can (and do) sneak 14, 4 or 83 out there against the softs. NHL teams don’t need 12 forwards and I’m shocked every team still dresses 12 simply because 4 divides into it cleanly. 11 forwards and 7 defense everyday for me.

  151. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lois Lowe: I hate the word truculent. No one used it until Brian Burke brought it back into favor during his first media appearance with the Leafs and now its just become part of normal hockey parlance.

    Agreed – I prefer the word Crust

    OOOh = LA looses to CBus – of course they only scored 1 goal. Lombardi is toast after this year.
    Crust, toast – see what I did there?

  152. Gerta Rauss says:

    CBus has won 4 in a row and sit 7 back of the Oilers-if they catch us before the end of the year I need to get that paper bag out of storage and start wearing it again when I wear my Oilers jersey in public.

  153. Woodguy says:

    Perhaps its not too late for the Oilers to go 30th,30th,30th.

  154. wuthering says:

    knighttown:
    Gotta think McCurdy is strongly considering handing out only his second 1 (out of 10) to Peckham after that performance.The shift where he took his game-losing-goal penalty was the worst Oiler shift since the legendary Chorney/Strudwick shift in Detroit.He missed the pass at the blueline, skated back and had position on Eller a much smaller guy but yet got destroyed on the puck battle and had to hook in to save a goal.Before the Oilers could touch the puck to get the penalty called he should have had 5 other penalties and in between managed to cause 3 or 4 “sure” goals against while running around smashing the wrong guys with his stick.

    This.

  155. Woodguy says:

    knighttown:
    Seriously though, I don’t fucking get it.Peckham has played a minute more than Schultz and he’s been in the box for 6 fucking minutes.Please someone help here.Bookie…you sometimes take the Devil’s Advocate role and do well.

    You’ve got three defensemen who are literally killing this team and two that are absolute studs.Early results from Staples show #15 is part of the solution but they won’t fucking play him.

    Agreed.

    Its bizarre.

    Its either:

    1) Pissed off coach
    2) Intentional tanking
    3) Incompetence

  156. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    Hall’s going to score the same goals in cup winning games of the future.

    He’s requested a trade already?

  157. Woodguy says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    CBus has won 4 in a row and sit 7 back of the Oilers-if they catch us before the end of the year I need to get that paper bag out of storage and start wearing it again when I wear my Oilers jersey in public.

    I was looking at CBJ schedule. Its a real bitch.

    Home and Home with STL coming up, then STL again at the end of the month.

    Van in there, DET twice (I think)

    Only real soft spot is EDM twice.

  158. DBO says:

    The Schultz lack pt seems very much like an FU from the coach to tambo. He is playing great. Only way I see the “sense” of it is that he wants Schultz to help the shittiest dman. Off course if he played him with Whitney then u sort of have real top 4. More and more, lineup makes little sense.

    And on Omark. He competed harder and more physically then half the team. No reason he isn’t in our top 9. Play him with Horc and MPS and you have 3 scoring lines with that line bring defensively responsible.

  159. fuzzy muppet says:

    Theo Peckham has pretty much played himself out of the NHL. I doubt he gets a qualifying offer.

    Gagner was terrible tonight.

    And its official, Im on the Fire Renney bandwagon. He sure is dumb for a supposed smart guy.

  160. bendelson says:

    Woodguy,

    With Renney’s decision making in recent games it is possible.

    I’ll be genuinely surprised if we don’t see Barker back to settle things down a little.

  161. wuthering says:

    Jones is lost out there; floating, befuddled, and discombobulated. At least twice, in his own zone, he was fed the puck on his wing and he reversed it into trouble instead of moving it south. Kruger’s benching of him was the correct choice.

  162. Ribs says:

    Throwing Whitney out on the point when the goalie is gone is a bad idea. Why do they keep doing it?

    That Eberle pass to Schultz near the crease was worth watching the game for. Beautiful.

  163. bookje says:

    knighttown:
    Seriously though, I don’t fucking get it.Peckham has played a minute more than Schultz and he’s been in the box for 6 fucking minutes.Please someone help here.Bookie…you sometimes take the Devil’s Advocate role and do well.

    You’ve got three defensemen who are literally killing this team and two that are absolute studs.Early results from Staples show #15 is part of the solution but they won’t fucking play him.

    From the evidence we have at this point (mostly Renney not being renewed at this point – never mind Tambi) is that this is a coach who is ‘losing it’ while fighting for his job. Coaches tend to start overthinking things and playing gut instincts once all else is lost (see MacT about 3 years ago).

    The other possibilities are things like intentionally losing, or perhaps some kind of ‘development and evaluation’ strategy. I would buy the latter if Renney had been renewed. I believe it drove a lot of his coaching last year.

    I think the coach might be done.

  164. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Stauffer just speculated that if Smyth re-signs, he’ll be a frequent healthy scratch.

    Makes sense – there’s no room for him in the top six, and he’s not a bottom-sixer.

    Lends credence to the notion that the GM didn’t want him back (maybe that is why the GM doesn’t have a contract – Katz is a big Smyth fan I think).

    I would think of he and Horcoff as great top 9ers (i.e. the core of a third line, perhaps with Ryan Jones again).

    It is going to be an interesting summer…

  165. TheOtherJohn says:

    Only thing that will change anything is if 2000-3000 season tickets are not renewed. Could see a whole lot of changes then. Absent that, Lowe still makes all decisions related to hockey operations. Coach- irrelevant. GM – irrelevant

  166. pboy says:

    “Steve Smith”: I hereby predict that Kevin Lowe will never again be General Manager of the Oilers, and that Craig MacTavish will never again be head coach of the Oilers. I’d also be surprised to see MacT as GM, but I’m less confident about that. The optics would be too bad: the Oilers, failing, reaching back to a different era of failure.I’d actually like to see MacT back in either capacity (in that he’d be an improvement over the status quo, though I have to imagine there’s someone better out there looking for a job), but I can’t see it happening.

    The last couple of days on the Spector and Stauffer shows, they have been discussing the job performance of V.035. Basically, they are both saying that considering what a mess the organization was in when Stevie got the job, he’s done about as well as can be expected. The guy responsible for the initial mess, was not fired by the Oilers when he lost his GM job, he was promoted, given more responsibility and he kept his decision making authority over “Hockey Operations”.

    Do you honestly think that an organization that would do that, would hesitate to worry about the optics of re-visiting Lowe as GM and MacT as Head Coach? I don’t.

    It’s pretty clear that no one in the front office gives a shit about what might be said by the fanbase. As long as the tickets are still being bought, that’s all that matters. They’ll continue to run this ship as they see fit, outside pressure be damned.

    What would happen in Montreal this summer if the Molson’s promoted Gauthier instead of firing him? Or if LA kept Lombardi in the family?

  167. Smarmy says:

    I suspect if you asked Renney about Schultz he would say he is easing him into the lineup and people could believe that considering it was Schultz’s first pro trade leaving the only org he played with and apparently had no idea he was being shopped.

    Schultz looks fine by my eye but I bet he’s going through a bit of Colby Rasmus syndrome and just wants the year to end.

  168. DSF says:

    Matheson talks to Renney about his contract status:

    http://tinyurl.com/6utemdx

  169. Bar_Qu says:

    Taylor Hall sucks as a goalie. IMO, this casts new light on the Talor/Tyler question. Do we know Seguin’s save %? ‘Cause so far Hall’s is 0%.

    The loser.

  170. Dipstick says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Taylor Hall sucks as a goalie. IMO, this casts new light on the Talor/Tyler question. Do we know Seguin’s save %? ‘Cause so far Hall’s is 0%.

    The loser.

    I love that he tried to break his stick in disgust at failing to stop the shot. That kid has something.

  171. Ribs says:

    I’m surprised he didn’t take it out on Whitneys ankles.

  172. commonfan14 says:

    Dipstick: I love that he tried to break his stick in disgust at failing to stop the shot. That kid has something.

    Speaking of Hall’s on-ice displays of emotion, is it possible that the story on Renney’s extension is simply that it went up in smoke the minute PJ Stock read Hall’s lips about the useless goalie pull earlier this year?

  173. Dipstick says:

    commonfan14,

    I don’t see it like that. Renney’s first priority is not to screw up the development of the kids. I say that he has been very effective in that job. When the team is ready to move on to the next level, they may need a different coach. I think that he still has something to offer for a couple of years at least.

  174. bookje says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Taylor Hall sucks as a goalie. IMO, this casts new light on the Talor/Tyler question. Do we know Seguin’s save %? ‘Cause so far Hall’s is 0%.

    The loser.

    Nice!

    Yes, he smashed his stick on the crossbar, actually reminded me of Kevin Lowe or Messier who both went through a lot of sticks for the same reason.

  175. cabbiesmacker says:

    pboy: considering what a mess the organization was in when Stevie got the job, he’s done about as well as can be expected.

    Do you honestly think that an organization that would do that, would hesitate to worry about the optics of re-visiting Lowe as GM and MacT as Head Coach? I don’t.

    I think Lowe and Katz want MacTavish back as HC and are pissed that ST openly expressed his thoughts about it on the first episode of this years Oilchange.

    ” I don’t know if I trust that guy around our kids”

    I expect ST and Renney to both be gone soon as a result.

  176. Ducey says:

    Wow, dead thread. Maybe I should mention how disappointed I am in Hemsky not scoring again :-)

    One thing I have been wondering. Lets say Katz is contemplating firing Lowe/ Tambo. Who should he bring in that would be better? Lombardi might be available but I am not sure his drafting record is any better than Tambo’s and his big trade moves have flopped. He can’t seem to press the right buttons to get the Kings over the top.

  177. Cactus says:

    Ducey:
    Wow, dead thread. Maybe I should mention how disappointed I am in Hemsky not scoring again

    One thing I have been wondering.Lets say Katz is contemplating firing Lowe/ Tambo.Who should he bring in that would be better?Lombardi might be available but I am not sure his drafting record is any better than Tambo’s and his big trade moves have flopped.He can’t seem to press the right buttons to get the Kings over the top.

    These were my thoughts as well Ducey. I would assume there are some good options out there, but is there anyone in particular to think about?

    Then again, maybe it’s not a good idea to speculate – it could be too disappointing when the wrong people are signed.

  178. Downright Fierce says:

    Willis has been killing it with his Better Know A GM Candidate over on Cult of Hockey. Really good stuff.

    His latest on Rick Dudley. Scroll to the bottom for the (exhaustive) list of other potential GMs he has profiled.

  179. FastOil says:

    Cactus: These were my thoughts as well Ducey.I would assume there are some good options out there, but is there anyone in particular to think about?

    Then again, maybe it’s not a good idea to speculate – it could be too disappointing when the wrong people are signed.

    For a GM in a capped league, knowing the value of players is key. It is also clear that there are ways to find this info out that doesn’t involve sitting in arenas or some esoteric knowledge that only the chosen posses. Any business minded person who reads Oiler blogs, gets along in the sandbox and can cut a good deal could run a decent team now IMO.

    For HC I found an interview with Dallas Eakins pretty interesting. I liked his take on getting to know each player personally and helping them find their best game. He feels you can’t treat everyone the same.

    I think that is a perfect demeanor for a young team full of talent. And also for the way the world is today. Just being a distant tough guy is from a bygone era. Penner is a great example of how the cookie cutter approach won’t work with some players. He seems like a fickle guy, but he’s a 240lb talented fickle guy who drives good numbers and is a beast when at his best. Worth the effort IMO.

    To weigh in on top 6 / bottom 6, I think it’s just an innacurate use of words that causes pigeon holed thinking. Every team should want to ice as many quality players as they can afford to. I think the issue partly lies in the fact that a lot of lower paid players are better tough guy hitters than hockey players perhaps. The Oilers have a brief window now where they could have four good lines while the talent are on ELC’s or low contracts. It won’t last long though.

    Hopefully at some point when the GM can’t afford to overpay bottom players, they realize sound players are better than goons if winning is the priority.

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