G69 Sharks at Oilers

If we made a list of good things about this season, would it be enough to ease the pain of another year deep in the second division? No. How many of the current roster players are going to be on this roster when the team makes the second season again? Depends on how many Tom Gilberts get traded. Will they beat Columbus  to the promised land of the playoffs?

I’ve decided this week will be devoted to Craig Patrick (shown in the Oakland Seals uniform, so that’s the San Jose connection) and the Columbus Blue Jackets. CBJ is under new management even if Scott Howson still has the title–and Howson may not be in that job much longer. Craig Patrick’s hiring in early December meant that ownership (John P McConnell) was going with a new plan. Patrick represents the third stanza in management history for the Jackets, the first two playing like a funeral dirge. The Oilers play the Jackets later in the week, and I want to have a long look at the two teams and where they are heading.

Patrick is familiar with the Oilers current strategy–hell, he and others perfected it in Pittsburgh in the early part of the decade during which the club drafted elite level talents that would eventually bless Pittsburgh with a third Stanley. He also helped with the other two Pittsburgh Stanley’s, specifically a deal that brought Ron Francis from the Whalers, another one that gave the Steel City Joey Mullen for a load of hay and of course he was lucky at the draft when Jagr’s name was called.

Patrick’s record isn’t perfect, but it’s a huge upgrade from Howson. As hockey empire builders go, this is kind of David v Goliath when we compare Patrick to Tambellini. We know Columbus will be offloading their best player (Rick Nash) and there are rumors the club will also deal their #1 overall pick. One of the reasons is probably the presence of Nail Yakupov at the top of the player charts–the Jackets have had enough of the hammer and sickle for a lifetime.

Comparing the two teams as they sit idling in the driveway:

  • GP: Columbus 69; Oilers 68
  • GF: Columbus 161; Oilers 180 (average 187)
  • PPGF: Columbus 41; Oilers 50 (average 40)
  • PPGA: Columbus 53; Oilers 44 (average 40)
  • GA: Columbus 223; Oilers 206 (average 187)
  • SP: Columbus .901; Oilers .909
  • GAA per game: Columbus 3.16; Oilers 2.96
  • GF per game: Columbus 2.29; Oilers 2.59

Oilers PP is number one in terms of percentage in the league, Blue Jackets are at 25th; PK has the Oilers 17th and the Jackets 30th. Edmonton has 116 5×5 goals for and Columbus has 104. I would think both teams know well their weaknesses, now all that’s left is to solve them.

Patrick versus Tambellini. What say you?

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148 Responses to "G69 Sharks at Oilers"

  1. neojanus says:

    Posturing over these issues has begun to enrage me. I WANT ANSWERS NOW!

    For the most part, Tambellini makes me sad…

    Honestly, I just want the right people to take responsibility for this team, end the excuses, and get the job done.

    That’s all I want.

    The team stinks for a number of reasons and I find management savvy in their ability to evade the wrath of their boss for their three years of total beluga dick.

    Belanger Triangle? It’s the Oilers Triangle… for six f’ing years. Christ, I’d jump out of my own ass if we could be a fringe team actually playing real hockey by the first of January instead of wallowing with the godless team from Ohio.

    Somehow Florida managed to go from embarrassing to fierce in one summer. I’d rather look at that comparison because at least Tallon has something dangling between his legs and made abnormal amounts of progress.

    I’m just finally at the end of watching the Edmonton Soap-on-a-Ropers entrench themselves with the bottom feeders of the league.

    I’m going to get drunk now.

    By the way, Nation Radio is sweet and you do a fantastic job. Time to take some phone in questions for your guests from the Oil Faith(less)!

  2. DBO says:

    I have a giant lack of comfort heading into the off season. I have no faith in the Org making the right choices. I see it going one of two ways:

    1. Do nothing. Tambo will push the whole “kids improving and filling roles”, Bulin is motivated in last year, want to not add D so the kids think they have a chance (shockingly that was exactly what he said this year),
    RESULT: bottom 5 finish, improved stat line, not much in standings as the teams around them will make moves while we sit and wait for some magical run with the kids in 3 more years.

    2. Do too much. Tambo goes overboard in his search for “coke machines”, and deals away all the smaller players and overpays for big players with bad contracts in order to make us playoff ready, while sacrificing Omark and smaller players.
    RESULT: not much change, except going into 2013/14 we suddenly are talking cap issues, and now we look to move a kid cause we have to.

  3. Jordan says:

    You know, it really is quite remarkable how effective Tambi has been in appearing to make the right move (right in the sense that it appeased the masses of ignorant Oilers bandwagoners) while at the same time ensuring that the team has managed to get no traction, and still managing to give the kids the opportunity to develop AND manage to give them something to stay hopeful (Hemsky, Smyth).

    I mean, if it wasn’t for the incredible work to build a horrible team in Columbus, and watch the whole thing die a sick and painful death, the Oilers would likely be sitting in dead F***ing last for the 3rd straight season.

    Amaizingly effective tank job.

    Now, I really do have to ask this – considering how horrible the team has been, it’s also pretty clear that this team could be improved quite markedly, esp. with a 4th line of hockey players, a group of top 4 defensemen that doesn’t include any of Whitney, Sutton, Potter, Peckham, Barker, Schultz, and of course, an NHL Starting Goalie.

    While I have a hard time trusting that the current managment will be able to actually procure the necesary peices to make this happen, I do have to acknowledge that they have managed to finish dead last while providing glimpses of hope to the fanbase. That does take some skill. So the question is, does having the skill to tank the team so effectively also enable the construction of a competitive team?

    If it does, I would be fine with Tambi at the helm. If it doesn’t…. Hire Dale Tallon? Because you know he’ll get you at least 1 cup?

    Because honestly… If you’re not Ken Holland,,, is there really any other GM in the league who has built a Dynasty team? (Sather doesn’t count – its been 20 years w/o a follow-up).

    If that’s the goal, at some point we need to stop talking about the Detroit/Chicago/Pittsburg model and start talking about the Oilers model.

  4. Ducey says:

    I remember the days around here when people would put forth Howson as the smarts in the Oilers organization and demanded that he be made GM of the Oilers.

    Not so much now.

  5. rich says:

    I share the same lack of comfort w/what will happen in the off-season. A general unease because the holes that need to be addressed will likely:

    a) Receive band-aids or
    b) Involve over-pays

    I do think management sees (finally) there is a problem on the blue, but has lost the ability to deal with it effectively. Once upon a time it seemed like they kind of d-men in a blizzard, now not the case.

    I don’t think management will do anything about the goaltending issues for another season because they are not about to buyout yet another bad contract (having already done so with Nilsson and Souray) becasue Katz probably does not feel they are close enough yet to being a legitimate competitor (despite PR spin to the contrary about improvement).

    I fully expect Omark to be gone – and it would not surprise me if MPS gets packaged w/him given Renney’s inability to find a way to effectively use him. I fully expect Renney to be back next season but the team will be out of it by Boxing Day in which case there will be a big coach/management shake up when Katz finally realizes that the re-build is not proceeding the way it was sold.

  6. regwald says:

    There is no doubt in my mind that you will see a lot more action in Columbus from Craig Patrick. Now on the flip side, is that a good thing ? Look at the action that BUF and PHI and CLB took in the off-season. Do you think it was progress in PHI ? How are the Sabres looking ?

    And if you want to talk about that rebuild in FLO, give me a break he took a team to the brink of a playoff birth. That’s it. It’s not like they are a cup contender. If they weren’t in the South East division, they are a 7th place team, 1 point ahead of 8th place. Yes, a nice turn around but not like we are seeing in St. Louis.

    Slow and steady wins the race I think, but there is no such thing as a quick turn around.

    I wish Tambo was more active and more aggressive, but remember it doesn’t always pay off.

  7. Dipstick says:

    I give credit to the Oil for not panicking by trading away the future for an incremental short term improvement. Our fine neighbors in Calgary may come to regret not following this model. I realize that the window for opportunity with Hall, Eberle and RNH is limited, but the team will not add more pieces of that caliber through trade without giving up something of that caliber. Most of the right pieces will have to be drafted and developed.

  8. neojanus says:

    The brink of a playoff birth is fantastic for the Panthers!

    They had 72 points in 2011 (21 out of a playoff spot, best for 15th in the East!).

    They were 10 games under .500!

    Good god… Tallon has does wonders for the team over one summer.

  9. bendelson says:

    Things I would expect to see next September.

    1) Khabibilun
    2) Dubnyk
    3) Ryan Whitney in a top 4 role.

    I think managent ‘stays the course’ and changes very little continually preaching patience, continued evaluation and a 6 year rebuild.

    Maybe we see Peckham and/or Belanger moved at the draft for peanuts.

    Not trying to be a downer but urgency is not in managements vocabulary. They have been given a long leash and seem intent on using every last inch.

    I was of the opinion they would eventually find a way to hang themselves with said ‘long leash’ but what do I know.

  10. DSF says:

    neojanus:
    The brink of a playoff birth is fantastic for the Panthers!

    They had 72 points in 2011 (21 out of a playoff spot, best for 15th in the East!).

    They were 10 games under .500!

    Good god… Tallon has does wonders for the team over one summer.

    Considering he took over the Panthers less than 10 months ago, has his team on pace for 92 points (a 20 point improvement) stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league, and managed to do all this while remaining close to $10 million under the cap is nothing short of remarkable.

  11. regwald says:

    DSF: Considering he took over the Panthers less than 10 months ago, has his team on pace for 92 points (a 20 point improvement) stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league, and managed to do all this while remaining close to $10 million under the cap is nothing short of remarkable.

    Not sure how in 10 months he could have stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league since he’s only had one draft. I suspect he inherited a nicely stocked prospect pool that he may have added to last June.

    Just saying.

  12. Captain Obvious says:

    neojanus:
    The brink of a playoff birth is fantastic for the Panthers!

    They had 72 points in 2011 (21 out of a playoff spot, best for 15th in the East!).

    They were 10 games under .500!

    Good god… Tallon has does wonders for the team over one summer.

    The unbalanced schedule makes the Panthers look better than they are. Conversely the unbalanced schedule makes Columbus look worse. It’s funny that the players didn’t like realignment because it wasn’t “fair” when the current system is, in many ways, less fair.

  13. DSF says:

    regwald: Not sure how in 10 months he could have stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league since he’s only had one draft. I suspect he inherited a nicely stocked prospect pool that he may have added to last June.

    Just saying.

    Actually both are true.

    Tallon traded a bunch of veterans and ended up with 7 picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft.

    Then, without touching his prospect pool, he went out and signed a competitive team.

    That the Panthers have been able to remain in contention despite long standing injuries to Kulkov, Jovo, Versteeg, Bergenheim, Goc and others is a testament to their depth.

  14. Robinthe403 says:

    Totally off topic but I know somebody in here will be able to answer this pdq… Can anybody explain to me why the Oilers played the Jets in WPG while the Flames hosted the Jets and the other NW division teams either hosted the Jets or played a home and home? I thought the schedule was set up in such a way that all teams within a given western conference division would play the eastern conference teams within a a given division the same number of times and all games would be hosted by the west or east? The current set up, while rather meaningless in another lost season for the Oilers, doesn’t make sense to me…at all.

  15. Ducey says:

    Florida is interesting in that Tallon went out and got a few retreads and guys teams were happy to move. Most of these guys are having better than average years (for them). Fleishman is leading them in scoring but played 45 games last year. He was lousy in WAS and good in COL.

    Many of the guys they brought in have big tickets (Fleishmann 4 x 4.5 M, Upshall 4 x 3.5M, Campbell 4 x 7.14 M, JovoCop 4 x 4.1M) and uneven histories.

    Did Tallon do a good job? Sure. But he has gotten a little lucky. And other than perhaps 2 Dmen, he hasn’t really broken in any of his prospects – meaning this is not an onward towards the Cup thing as much as its just setting a baseline from which they might move upwards (or not).

    It would be interesting to know how much the need to keep the fanbase happy was a factor as opposed to going this way. In other words, would Tallon have done it this way if he was in Tambo’s shoes two years ago – and if so, where would he get the lottery picks from?

  16. ItsTheBGB says:

    If the Oilers were some what close in their ES play I think we would be much better in the standings, the stats show a big improvement this year IMO, just not in the standings. The Oilers are on par with reasonable improvement, no? I don’t think we could realistically expect playoffs this year.

  17. DSF says:

    Ducey:
    Florida is interesting in that Tallon went out and got a few retreads and guys teams were happy to move.Most of these guys are having better than average years (for them). Fleishman is leading them in scoring but played 45 games last year.He was lousy in WAS and good in COL.

    Many of the guys they brought in have big tickets (Fleishmann 4 x 4.5 M, Upshall 4 x 3.5M, Campbell 4 x 7.14 M, JovoCop 4 x 4.1M) and uneven histories.

    Did Tallon do a good job?Sure. But he has gotten a little lucky.And other than perhaps 2 Dmen, he hasn’t really broken in any of his prospects – meaning this is not an onward towards the Cup thing as much as its just setting a baseline from which they might move upwards (or not).

    It would be interesting to know how much the need to keep the fanbase happy was a factor as opposed to going this way.In other words, would Tallon have done it this way if he was in Tambo’s shoes two years ago – and if so, where would he get the lottery picks from?

    Fleischmann was fine his last full season in the Washington (69GP 23G 51P) but was then hobbled by that blood clot thing.

    Tallon made a bet and it paid off.

    Tallon also had Kulikov, and Gudbranson to work with on D but now has Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Howden, Grimaldi, Petrovic, Robak and Markstrom near ready for the show.

    His signing of veterans allows him to bring these guys along at their own pace.

    Hell of a base to work from.

  18. gangplank says:

    The fact that their goal differential is -25, i believe that Florida’s rise up the standings is only an illusion. It will be interesting to see how many 1q goal games they have won.

  19. gangplank says:

    ItsTheBGB,

    I think an improvement in sv% would help a lot too

  20. hunter1909 says:

    Although I’m certain the management expected a better than lottery finish this season, kudos to them for not panicking.

    Some of you are from the Burke/Lombardi school of constantly wheeling and dealing, which invariably fucks up whichever team is getting this mirage-like treatment. Once again, thanks to Tambellini.

    The oilers sucked so bad 2-3 seasons ago it was frightening. POS, Mike Cogliano, and Nillsson, led by thecaptainethanmoreau does not make a quality NHL team in an Einsteinian universe. Not in a million billion years.

    Today, oilers not only have the NUMBER ONE POWERPLAY IN HOCKEY, but the AHL team is in first place, developing those endless prospects a whole lot better than the EIG model of dumping 1st round picks on other teams, who literally don’t give a fuck what happens to them.

    Ever the optimist, I seriously doubt if Tambellini’s next season’s agenda has got anything less than playoff contention or very very close to it, because otherwise he’s going to be out of a job. Renney’s looking more and more like he did in NY at the end, save no Lundquist to bolster his reputation as he leaves NHL coaching next month.

    Yet some of you, the 100% delusional ones opine for MacT to return. In what capacity? He’s no better qualified to GM an NHL team than he was qualified to be an NHL head coach for nearly a decade. Chris Pronger was the reason oilers made the finals, full stop. Remove Pronger and oilers would have failed to beat Detroit in 2006. That’s if they had even made the playoffs to start with.

    Talk about pissing on your feet and complaining about the rain. The one thing that most rational fans can agree on, is the old boys club has totaly failed.

    Oh yeah. One more thing. Was watching one of those “Oil Change” shows prior to the Taylor Hall draft, when during a visit to Stately Katz Manor – Kevin Lowe shows Mr Rexall an original scouting/draft list from the year he himself was drafted. That in a nutshell keeps Lowe employed – the ability to produce magical little rabbits and reminders of that wonderful era.

  21. Captain Obvious says:

    ItsTheBGB:
    If the Oilers were some what close in their ES play I think we would be much better in the standings, the stats show a big improvement this year IMO, just not in the standings. The Oilers are on par with reasonable improvement, no? I don’t think we could realistically expect playoffs this year.

    Except if you believe, as I do, that special team results are much more driven by luck than even strength performance. In which case the bad news is that a good deal of the improvement is a mirage.

    The good news is that this is counterbalance by the fact that so much of the ES struggles are driven by a horrible fourth line and four of the worst defensemen to ever play NHL hockey.

    The bad news from is that the team thinks that one of these NHL worst defensemen is their best defensemen. That’s a pretty big problem.

  22. bendelson says:

    hunter1909,

    In regards to your post re: Varlomov the other day. Which next great young goalie would you like to see the Oilersntrade for this summer in exchange for our 2013 first round pick?

    It’s an inherently risky move you suggested so I wonder which young tender are you that confident in?

  23. rickithebear says:

    DSF gets it :
    Many are starting to recognize the issue by looking at FLD.
    Shitty drafting left us minimal veteran base. 25Yr to 32Yr base.

    98 Draft: horcoff (99 4rd)
    01 draft: Hemsky (13 rd1)
    02 Draft: Stoll (36 Rd2); Greene (44 Rd2) got us Whitney
    03 Draft: Brodziak (214 Rd7) got us Bigos (99 3rd 09) and Roy (133 5Rd 09)
    04 Draft: Dubnyk (14 Rd1)
    05 Draft: Cogliano (22 1rd) got us 2Rd pick 2013

    So from 8 years of drafting our veteran base is Horcoff, Hemsky, Whitney, Dubnyk.

    Our future core years from 25 and Years from age 32
    32 – when you start to see decline in play.
    EX. you would not expect a reduction in play from RNH for 14 years.
    Gagner 3 – 10 years
    Eberle 4-11
    Hartikainen 4- 11
    Cornet 4 – 11
    Hall 5 – 12
    MP 5 – 12
    Lander 5 – 12
    Hamilton 5-12
    Pitlick 5-12
    Rieder 6-13
    Czerwanka 6 – 13
    RNH 7- 14

    We will basicly have 9-11 years of:
    Hall – RNH – Eberle
    MP-Gagner-Rieder
    Hartikainen-Pitlick-Cornet
    Hamilton-Lander-Czerwanka
    plus 1st Rd additions.

    Petry 1- 8
    Peckham 1- 8
    Bigos 3- 10
    Davidson 5 – 12
    Marincin 6 – 13
    Blain 6 – 13
    Klefbom 7 – 14
    Musil 7 – 14
    Gernat 7 – 14

    I am ok with a 1st pair of Smid – Petry for the next 8-12 years.
    12 – 16 years of Klefbom & Gernat might be awesome as well.

    Now! Now! Now! Now!

    Only need is a solid veteran goalie in the leagu avg range.
    Vokoun 3yr………
    Tough Comp D for Whitney injury protection.
    Garrison
    Large mobile space eating Fwd on each line.
    Penner,

  24. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF: Considering he took over the Panthers less than 10 months ago, has his team on pace for 92 points (a 20 point improvement) stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league, and managed to do all this while remaining close to $10 million under the cap is nothing short of remarkable.

    You think Florida’s prospect pool is better than Chicago’s? I dunno about that.

    Kyle Beach, Brandon Saad, Andrew Shaw, Jimmy Hayes, Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri, Philip Danault, Mark McNeill

  25. Bos8 says:

    Optimum would be one D and Klefbom given a really good look. Put him in with Schultz. You want young D with time in play when the peak hits, three years down the road. Agree with Winters there.

    Upgrade the coaching, not necessarily Renney. Get him some technicians. My favorite Keuger move – bench Jones.

    - I’ve really liked Petrell’s play for the last two months, Eager showed some good things as well.
    - Ecstatic that Magnus is in OKC and should be there through the PS. It’s late but still good.

  26. Captain Obvious says:

    cabbiesmacker: You think Florida’s prospect pool is better than Chicago’s?I dunno about that.

    Kyle Beach, Brandon Saad, Andrew Shaw, Jimmy Hayes, Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri, Philip Danault, Mark McNeill

    That’s a good prospect pool? It sounds like a bunch of big guys without sufficient skill. Size is overrated.

  27. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker: You think Florida’s prospect pool is better than Chicago’s?I dunno about that.

    Kyle Beach, Brandon Saad, Andrew Shaw, Jimmy Hayes, Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri, Philip Danault, Mark McNeill

    Yeah, I think it is.

    Beach seems to be spinning his wheels (hasn’t played a game in the NHL at 22).

    Huberdeau, while being injured this season has 66 points in 34 games.

    Chicago’s guys look very solid but I think Florida’s balance of high end forward, defense and goaltending prospects is pretty tough to beat.

    FWIW, HF has Florida ranked #1 while they have Chicago at #10.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/nhl_organisation_rankings/

    “The system is laden with future NHLers at forward and defense, and boasts multiple skilled and physical players throughout. Weaknesses: With such a deep and well-balanced prospect pool, there are no salient weaknesses to be found.”

  28. Bruce McCurdy says:

    DSF: Considering he took over the Panthers less than 10 months ago, has his team on pace for 92 points (a 20 point improvement) stocked his team with the best prospect pool in the league, and managed to do all this while remaining close to $10 million under the cap is nothing short of remarkable.

    Florida 166 GF, 191 GA, GD = -25, GR = 0.869
    Edmonton 180 GF, 206 GA, GD = -26, GR = 0.874

  29. hunter1909 says:

    bendelson:
    hunter1909,

    In regards to your post re: Varlomov the other day.Which next great young goalie would you like to see the Oilersntrade for this summer in exchange for our 2013 first round pick?

    It’s an inherently risky move you suggested so I wonder which young tender are you that confident in?

    In answer to your fair question, I wouldn’t like the oilers to trade away any 1st round pick ever again, nor trade anywhere but up with them. That said, and in a world where a Colorado style trade is mandatory, 2013 is too close to this current rebuilding shiteshow, therefore put that idea on ice for the time being, until goal is the last piece of the puzzle.

    To tell you the truth, I’m more impressed by the Habs/Canes model, allowing rookie goalies to shine under the spotlight, as opposed to wasting time carefully developing this often overpriced position.

    As for targeting anyone specific, I have to say I haven’t got a clue who to target. I’m not an NHL general manager, without any resources to scout young players. That’s Tambellini’s job.

    Apologies in advance for not answering this perfectly.

  30. bendelson says:

    hunter1909,

    Well thanks for trying! I placed the 2013 pick in as I think that is the type of risk Colorado took giving up this years – last summer. Comparable risk.

    I agree that this is NOT the move for the Oilers – too risky and too early as you suggested.

    Thought you might have someone in mind that slipped my radar…

    Taking a run at signing Fasth might be a plan for next year given the relative lack of risk involved.

  31. DSF says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Florida 166 GF, 191 GA, GD = -25, GR = 0.869
    Edmonton 180 GF, 206 GA, GD = -26, GR = 0.874

    I’m still convoked that 6 weeks of HHOF goaltending and two games where the Oilers scored 17 goals against the Hawks are not the norm.

    GA/10 games (SO goals excluded)

    12
    33
    27
    34
    33
    38
    27

    The sample size is large enough to indicate that the Oilers W/L record and GA is being seriously skewed by that first 10 games.

    Of course it happened but that doesn’t mean it’s sustainable (as we’ve already seen) or repeatable.

    Even with that first ten games accounted for, the Oilers are 27th in the league in GA/G and would have been dead last if they had given up 30 goals in the first 10.

    Assuming their GF remained the same, they would be sitting at a nasty -44.

    Just a little serendipity to shine things up a little.

  32. bookje says:

    A couple of years ago Bruce and I were the lone holdouts against the tide of ‘Fall for Hall’ proponents. I don’t know about Bruce, but I am ready to admit that I was wrong (March 12th, 2012 at 1:59pm). Watching Hall and RNH (and the nice bonus of Eberle who was unrelated to Losing) makes it all worthwhile.

    With the exception of a handfull of moves/signings (Shultz, Hemsky, Belanger, Eager, Whitney, and somebody I am forgetting), I chaulk most of ST’s moves to his ST1.0 period when Lowe and Katz were in charge, or to ST2.0 through 3.2 where losing was the primary goal. I am willing to give ST 4.0 a chance to see this thing through. I think there can be no doubt that the team is going to try to compete in 2012/13 and as such any success or failure can and should be judged on it’s merit alone as opposed to any ‘not so secret’ strategy to lose.

    He has until Christmas 2012 in my books.

  33. bookje says:

    bookje,

    It was Potter that I was forgetting. Is there anyone else that Tambellini has signed/traded that is meant to be a meaningful part of the competitive team going forwards (other than prospects)?

  34. neojanus says:

    Bookje,

    I give him to November 11 (as well as Renney).

    By Christmas this season, we were out of it pretty much. We can’t afford another year of non-compete.

    Tambellini is on very thin rope, I expect. I basically give him one month to prove his moves over the summer pay dividends or I will damn well tar and feather that guy

  35. bookje says:

    neojanus,

    Sure – in fact, if the Oilers were to be entering the start of the season without the problems in Goal and on Defence fixed in a manner that looks reasonable, its probably time to send Tambellini off to be senior hockey advisor.

  36. FrankenOil says:

    Consider this a conspiracy theory of sorts (and more than a little off topic)

    I believe LT (correct me if I’m wrong) has long suggested a K-Lowe return to the GM’s chair at some point (or the formation of a Detroit Mgmt-style model and job-titles). The appointment of K-Lowe to the GM chair of the WHC entry definitely got the conspiracy theory alarm ringing. Lowe’s decision to accept a position as the GM of Team Canada smacks to me like a bit of a test drive to see if he has the passion required to be “the man” again. There was the rumor at the beginning of the season from the Fan590′s Greg Brady I believe that was saying he had good information that Lowe would be back sooner or later to assume day-to-day control. Despite all the rumors that Tambo was set to get an extension, to this point, that has never materialized. I am beginning to wonder if Tambo was offered a new contract with a changed role in the organizational structure (ie. VP of Player Personnel) with the caveat being that someone else would be assuming more direct control of the team but Tambo is still mulling this over and as such, why he hasn’t accepted it. I believe the organization has faith in Tambo (or else why would they allow him to trade a player of Gilbert’s caliber?) and hence, why there are rumors and strong suppositions that Tambo will get an extension.

    Just thinking out loud.

  37. bookje says:

    FrankenOil:
    Consider this a conspiracy theory of sorts (and more than a little off topic)

    I believe LT (correct me if I’m wrong) has long suggested a K-Lowe return to the GM’s chair at some point (or the formation of a Detroit Mgmt-style model and job-titles). The appointment of K-Lowe to the GM chair of the WHC entry definitely got the conspiracy theory alarm ringing.Lowe’s decision to accept a position as the GM of Team Canada smacks to me like a bit of a test drive to see if he has the passion required to be “the man” again. There was the rumor at the beginning of the season from the Fan590′s Greg Brady I believe that was saying he had good information that Lowe would be back sooner or later to assume day-to-day control. Despite all the rumors that Tambo was set to get an extension, to this point, that has never materialized. I am beginning to wonder if Tambo was offered a new contract with a changed role in the organizational structure (ie. VP of Player Personnel) with the caveat being that someone else would be assuming more direct control of the team but Tambo is still mulling this over and as such, why he hasn’t accepted it.I believe the organization has faith in Tambo (or else why would they allow him to trade a player of Gilbert’s caliber?) and hence, why there are rumors and strong suppositions that Tambo will get an extension.

    Just thinking out loud.

    My own feeling is that Lowe does not want to be GM – for one thing GM’s get fired, Presidents are always president.

    I think he is happy to take on roles like GM of Team Canada because they are pretigious, fun, and short term.

    Just my guess, I don’t have any real info on this.

  38. ed says:

    Goaltenders get hot, their SP will fluctuate over their careers and during a season. FLA, who seem to be getting kudos in this thread, have Theodore suddenly with a SP over 10 points above his career average. I wonder what FLAs record is if he gives up ten more goals over the 43 games he’s played.

  39. FrankenOil says:

    bookje,

    Good Point :)

    It just seems strange (for lack of a better term) that Lowe would pick THIS year to step in the manager’s chair when his involvement (nee cronyism) with Hockey Canada for the last dozen years or so would basically leave the door open to do it any year he wants.

  40. DSF says:

    ed:
    Goaltenders get hot, their SP will fluctuate over their careers and during a season. FLA, who seem to be getting kudos in this thread, have Theodore suddenly with a SP over 10 points above his career average. I wonder what FLAs record is if he gives up ten more goals over the 43 games he’s played.

    Khabibulin’s SV% in the first 10 games was in the vicinity of .965 while his career SV% is .907.

    There’s a hot streak and then there’s an out of body experience.

  41. hunter1909 says:

    bookje: A couple of years ago Bruce and I were the lone holdouts against the tide of ‘Fall for Hall’ proponents.

    Hall possesses something that can’t be quantified – heart. He’s the oilers Messier 2.0, and will certainly win them a cup eventually.

    Seguin appears to be an excellent hockey player for Boston. He’s going to make Toronto Maple Leafs fans very, very unhappy. For a long time.

    Leaf fans currently watching their team’s stagnation under Burke have barely scratched the surface of this torment – in fact they’re only just starting to realise it.

  42. cabbiesmacker says:

    Captain Obvious: That’s a good prospect pool?It sounds like a bunch of big guys without sufficient skill.Size is overrated.

    So what you’re really saying is you have no idea who 3/4 of them are yes?

    Might want to take a quick scan of their dimensions for starters

  43. Ducey says:

    Seguin appears to be an excellent hockey player for Boston. He’s going to make Toronto Maple Leafs fans very, very unhappy. For a long time.

    Leaf fans currently watching their team’s stagnation under Burke have barely scratched the surface of this torment – in fact they’re only just starting to realise it.

    Just wait until they see 6’4″ Dougie Hamilton (he of 67 pts in 47 games with a +34 in the OHL) feeding Seguin in a year or two. Couple that with his ongoing war with the media and unless he comes up with a Chris Pronger type miracle they will be hanging him by that tie he so fond of hanging on his shoulders.

  44. godot10 says:

    Lowe get the Team Canada gig because he is bilingual. He has his spot up in Team Canada management until another bilingual GM shows up.

    The Oiler blogosphere picks a new GM to trumpet as a genius every year. There was Howson for awhile. Then Sutter for awhile. Doug Wilson always got a lot of love over the years (even though he has now blown his window, and choked when he declined a Pronger deal). Poile still gets a lot of love, even though he drafts defensemen in the first round all the time. Lombardi was a genius just a couple of years ago.

    Now its Tallon. The Tallon bubble will burst too. Sure he signed all those free agents, but he signed them for too much money and more importantly, too long duration, and those contracts are going to come back and bite him in the a@# in a few years.

    Renney screwed up Tambellini’s work last summer with bad coaching and player utilization decisions. Tambellini is responsible for the coach. If Tambellini doesn’t turf the coach this summer, then Katz and Lowe should turf both Tambellini and Renney.

  45. ohhell says:

    DSF,

    Nice to see you have dialed back you .965 SP from 15 games down to 10. Do you actually have any idea how often a goalie is able to sustain a rediculously high SP for a 9 or 10 game stint? What evidence do you have that this is abnormal? When one of the Sedin’s goes several games with a 0.200 PPG when their statistical norm is greater than 1.0 PPG what does that mean? Don’t the peaks and valleys help form the norm?

  46. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF: Yeah, I think it is.

    FWIW, HF has Florida ranked #1 while they have Chicago at #10.

    I’d be one silly guy if I put a whole ton of stock in HF’s Prospect List rankings DSF. I see far too much weighting towards teams with recent #1 – 5′s in their system without taking current performances into account.

    The Hawks graduated Kruger this year, have had Shaw, Hayes, and Dylan Olson contribute decently albeit with limited stints, Ben Smith arguably would have made the team as a 10 – 12 F based on his 2011 PO performance vs Van, and Morin and Pirri both had real strong TC’s. Morin would likely be a callup without the injuries he’s had this year. MacNeill and Danault have had decent years in junior also. MacNeill on an absolutely putrid PA team.

    Outside of Huberdeau and maybe Howden I don’t really get the love for Fla. Graduated Gudbransson and I guess Markstrom this year. Guddy’s been not very good. Markstrom should be the real deal.

    Guess I’m not going to be a HF prospect guide writer anytime soon.

  47. knighttown says:

    Yeah, so on the goalie discussion (and the Florida improvement discussion) I think my take will be rather radical. Before I start let me give you an idea how biased I am…I wouldn’t vote Martin Brodeur into the Hall of Fame as I think he’s the most overrated player in hockey history. I think he was a damn good goalie but I do think that if a few of the 90′s other goalies were put in that spot; say Sean Burke, Felix Potvin or Curtis Joseph; we might be talking about HOF admittance for them.

    Of the Top 50 goaltenders in the planet I don’t see much of a difference between #5 and #45. If #5 was given the identical opportunity as #45 I think the results would be shockingly similar. To me it’s 90% system/team and 10% goaltending.

    Exhibit A Phoenix Coyotes

    Mike Smith

    .906 Dallas
    .893 Tampa
    .916 Tampa
    .900 Tampa
    .899 Tampa
    .927 Phoenix

    Ilya Bryzgalov

    .907 Anaheim
    .909 Anaheim
    .921 Phoenix
    .906 Phoenix
    .920 Phoenix
    .921 Phoenix
    .907 Philadelphia (still a good team)

    So let me ask you these questions.

    If Devan Dubnyk (.907/3 years) got traded to Edmonton for Mike Smith who do you like to post the better Save Percentage next year?

    I’ll set Dubnyk’s SP at .918 in Phoenix. You taking the over or under?

    Smith in Edmonton at .912. Over/under?

    Exhibit B- Nashville Predators

    Rinne .925
    Rinne .930
    Rinne .911
    Rinne .917
    Ellis .909
    Ellis .900
    Ellis .921
    Ellis (Tampa) .889

    Before that Vokoun was posting crooked numbers. And don’t forget Chris Mason who has two of the three best save percentages (.926 and .925) in team history. Barry Trotz and David Poile with assists from Ryan Suter, Shea Weber, Greg Zanon and company are far more important to this team’s save percentage than the guy standing between the pipes.

    Exhibit C Career Save Percentage

    Points per game (career)
    Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossy, Orr, Crosby, Dionne, Stastney, Forsberg, Nillson, Esposito, Jagr, Ovechkin, Malkin, Lafleur, Sakic, Hawerchuck, Lafontaine, Yzerman, Lindros. Any surprises there? Nilsson and maybe Hawerchuck get a boost from the crazy-puck era but most of these guys are first ballot HOF’s.

    Goals against average (career)- skipping the era where they used a frozen piece of cow shit as a puck
    Hasek, Brodeur, Dryden, Lundquist, Turek, Turco, Nabokov, Legace, Backstrom, Kiprusoff, Huet, Thomas, Osgood, Belfour, Fernandez.

    I should have stopped at Turek cause any stat that shows Roman Turek 5th at anything can be immediately dismissed. He sucked.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that good defensive teams have good goalies. Bad defensive teams have bad goalies. Average defensive teams have average goalies. And really, this makes sense. SOOOO many shots are classified as a easy save and so many goals are shots that “he had no chance on”. Goalies are huge. Nets are tiny. 5 players collapse so goalies can’t see.

    I’d say that only 5% of shots would there be a difference between Henrik Lundquist and David LeNeveau. DLN would stop almost everything Lundquist would and Lundquist wouldn’t save nearly any of the goals that DLN would let in.

    The market was right two years ago when goalies were getting paid peanuts cause it doesn’t matter worth shit. Dubnyk is fine or not. Get Harding if you like (just don’t pay much). Jose Theodore. Maybe Tomas Vokoun…it don’t matter.

    You get me Ryan Suter and Dan Hamhuis with Ken Hitchcock behind the bench and bam….925 save percentage.

  48. Woodguy says:

    Lines tonight:

    4-93-14
    23-89-83
    94-10-37
    55-20-28

    Interesting that it took Renney 68 to deploy his forwards properly.

    I’d have 91 in 37′s spot, and 37 in 28′s spot, but its nice to see him deploy a 4th line that isn’t going to be crushed and a 3rd line that can play against NHLers.

    D-pairs

    5-58
    6-15
    25-44

    Boy, I’d rather see 77 in 15′s spot, but that looks optimal given who is on the roster.

    14 games left, time to coach to win?

  49. Woodguy says:

    Principe has the offensive lines the same, but;

    94-10-55
    28-20-37

    I like 55′s forecheck game lately.

  50. Lowetide says:

    Knighttown: Brilliant post.

    WG: Agree completely. 91 should be here and one of Jones/Eager should have been dealt at the deadline.

  51. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy,

    Theres a second line that wil put the fear of God into opponents huh? Of course I say that and they’ll rack 10 pts tonight but I think it’ll look a lot damn finer with Grigorenko’s #94 between Hemsky and ???. As it is I’d rather see Smyth on LW.

    Maybe they could stretch a line of wet toilet paper side to side across centre ice and let the trio try to skate through it?

  52. Marc says:

    Lowetide:
    Knighttown: Brilliant post.

    Second.

    On a semi-related note, I posted this at the end of the last thread on the subject of upgrading in goal this summer:

    “I doubt they do as well, but I think it will be the market that keeps them from acting rather than confidence in the guys they’ve got.

    By my count there are at least four teams that have done substantially worse than they expected going into the season due to a significant extent to their goalkeeping – Chicago, Toronto, Columbus and Tampa. There are also teams like San Jose and Washington who have had a lot of problems this season including shaky goaltending. And teams who were really disappointed by their back up goalie this year like Detroit and Pittsburgh. So that makes at least six, and possibly 8 or more, teams that have goalie at or near the top of their shopping list this summer.

    Here’s the list of UFA goalies this summer. I’ve put a star beside guys who can be described as the reason their team is looking for help in goal, and a plus sign besides guys whose SP this season is worse than the 20th ranked goalie in the league in SP (Nabokov) :

    Evgeni Nabokov New York Islanders
    Tomas Vokoun Washington Capitals
    +Martin Brodeur New Jersey Devils
    *+Dwayne Roloson Tampa Bay Lightning
    *Antero Niittymaki San Jose Sharks
    *+Jonas Gustavsson Toronto Maple Leafs
    +Johan Hedberg New Jersey Devils
    +Scott Clemmensen Florida Panthers
    *+Ty Conklin Detroit Red Wings
    +Josh Harding Minnesota Wild
    *+Ray Emery Chicago Blackhawks
    *+Curtis Sanford Columbus Blue Jackets
    *+Brent Johnson Pittsburgh Penguins
    Curtis McElhinney Phoenix Coyotes
    Alex Auld Ottawa Senators
    Martin Biron New York Rangers
    Andrew Raycroft Dallas Stars
    Yann Danis Edmonton Oilers
    Chris Mason Winnipeg Jets
    Michael Leighton Philadelphia Flyers
    Dan Ellis Anaheim Ducks
    Al Montoya New York Islanders

    That’s just awful. Vokoun and Nabokov (who may well get resigned) are the only UFAs that might represent a solid bet for team looking for help in goal. Some pretty crappy goalies are going to get paid shocking money this summer.

    There are also guys like Schneider and Quick, but then you’re looking at guys who have never been starters, and whose teams are probably looing for (and will likely get) a Varlyamov type return for them.

    Given the demand and supply of goalies this summer, there honestly could not be a worse time for the Oilers to look for an upgrade in goal. They would be better off standing pat and maybe trying to trade for a goalie during the season.”

  53. Gret99zky says:

    I firmly believe, as I did last year, that Katz will do nothing to build a winning team until his arena starts getting built.

    I predict the completion of the arena will coincide with the Oilers becoming a perennial playoff team.

    Until then it’s all about picking in the top 5.

  54. Woodguy says:

    knighttown,

    Well, so says you!

    Nice post sir.

  55. knighttown says:

    Lowetide,

    Wow. Thanks LT.

    A few random blasts:

    -I wonder what it’ll take for the NHL to do away with this “division position trumps conference” nonsense. The Top 4 teams in the East are all from the Atlantic and 4 of the Top 5 in the West are from the central. That’s remarkable. That’s 8 of the Top 9 (EIGHT!) from two divisions. Considering also that the unbalanced schedule means they have to play each other way more and this is entering the realm of unfair. Poor Pittsburgh…2nd best team in the East likely has to go through Philly, NYR, Boston then Vancouver or St. Louis. No way they survive that.

    - I’m in the minority but I don’t hate the way Omark has been handled. Numbers game early. Then a superstitious coach. Then an injury. Then no roster spot. Then a callup and healthy scratch after 3 games in 3 nights. Then a spot on the 4th line on the road against a good team so he could face the butter-softs. And now a deserved promotion onto a scoring line. I actually don’t hate him on the 4th…he isn’t terrific in his own zone and considering who he’d be matchup up against, lining up with 20 and 37 is actually a matchup we could win.

    -Why does Ryan Smyth continually take 30mph slapshots from 50 feet? What happened to that slippery little chip-and-chase move he used to use?

    -I will be watching 15′s TOI for the rest of the year. FINALLY got over 20 the other night after just 15 the game before. Petry, Smid, Schultz and 1,2,3…don’t care which order but those are the only choices. Sutton is #4

    -Can we finally get a clean slate from both Whitney and Potter. Our #5 and #6 (and #4 when Sutton sits) have been absolutely killing this team over the past month. I think the running total for that crew is -16 over that stretch while 58, 5, 77, 15 and 25 are +6 against WAY tougher competition.

  56. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker:
    Woodguy,

    Theres a second line that wil put the fear of God into opponents huh? Of course I say that and they’ll rack 10 pts tonight but I think it’ll look a lot damn finer with Grigorenko’s #94 between Hemsky and ???. As it is I’d rather see Smyth on LW.

    Maybe they could stretch a line of wet toilet paper side to side across centre ice and let the trio try to skate through it?

    My optimal tough scoring line with this roster is:

    4-89-83

    23-93-14 just doesn’t feel right, but that’s what having 4-89-83 together leaves.

    93-14 are getting sheltered hard so I don’t think that LW matters a whole lot. Hall draws some attention, which doesn’t do the other two any good, so I like drawing all the attention to one line.

    Hall and Hemsky can play those types of minutes.

  57. knighttown says:

    Marc,

    Yeah…that’s a terrible list and I agree with this post.

    There are only 30 NHL #1 jobs and about 100 guys who are all about the same after Lundquist. Get a few mature and healthy ones and ride the hot hand.

  58. DSF says:

    ohhell:
    DSF,

    Nice to see you have dialed back you .965 SP from 15 games down to 10.Do you actually have any idea how often a goalie is able to sustain a rediculously high SP for a 9 or 10 game stint?What evidence do you have that this is abnormal?When one of the Sedin’s goes several games with a 0.200 PPG when their statistical norm is greater than 1.0 PPG what does that mean?Don’t the peaks and valleys helpform the norm?

    Since it seems you can only grasp the literal, let me re-state that the Oilers got out of this world goaltending in the first 15 games of the season and then the wheels fell off.

    Khabibulin started 9 of those games and his SV% is as follows:

    Game 2 – .971
    Game 4 – .917
    Game 6 – .968
    Game 7 – 1.000
    Game 8 – .946
    Game 9 – .971
    Game 11 – .933
    Game 12 – 1.000
    Game 14 – .966

    Now this from today’s Journal:

    “In November he had a 0.98 GAA, two shutouts and a .963 save percentage and he was keeping company with the league leaders. It wasn’t until Nov. 11 that he lost his first game in regulation, having fashioned a record of 6-0-2 to start the season. At the time, he was fifth in the wins category.

    Contrast that to his two wins in the last three months.”

    Yeah, nothing unsustainable about that. :)

  59. bookje says:

    hunter1909: sses something that can’t be quantified – heart. He’s the oilers Messier 2.0, and will certainly win them a cup eventually.

    Yep, both are great – but I wasn’t advocating for Seguin over Hall, I was arguing against intentionally throwing the season – I felt that it would wreck prospects and given what happened to POS, Nilsson, and Cogliano, I guess I was right…

    But Hall is a nice consolation prize in my opinion.

  60. cabbiesmacker says:

    Marc,

    IMO you don’t have to chase a FA G as much as a younger type on a team with good depth there presently.

    My list would be

    Ott – Lehner, Bshop

    Islanders – Poulin, Nilsson

    Vancouver – Lack

    St Louis – Allen

  61. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy: My optimal tough scoring line with this roster is:
    4-89-83
    23-93-14 just doesn’t feel right, but that’s what having 4-89-83 together leaves.
    93-14 are getting sheltered hard so I don’t think that LW matters a whole lot.Hall draws some attention, which doesn’t do the other two any good, so I like drawing all the attention to one line.
    Hall and Hemsky can play those types of minutes.

    You have a lot more faith in 89 than I do WG and hair on ya for that. I don’t see him being effective against teams that clog it up, think he gives it up to easily, and can’t post good numbers w/o high end linemates. He’s fine vs the run and guns.

    I’d be dangling him if the plan is to go C this draft which I believe they will. Horcoff being all but untradeable slides in and out of the 2 spot with less responsibility than he’s carrying this year.

  62. Woodguy says:

    KT,

    You were asking about the validity about QC recently.

    Gabe looks at the QC of some players, home and away and comes away with some validity to his method.

    Still not the burning bush, but the best anyone is publishing by far.

  63. Woodguy says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    Please note that I noted that my comments reflect the current roster.

    89 has to play.

    I can wish for a better option, but I was discussing the current roster deployment.

  64. DSF says:

    cabbiesmacker: I’d be one silly guy if I put a whole ton of stock in HF’s Prospect List rankings DSF. I see far too much weighting towards teams with recent#1 – 5′s in their system without taking current performances into account.

    Outside of Huberdeau and maybe Howden I don’t really get the love for Fla. Graduated Gudbransson and I guess Markstrom this year. Guddy’s been not very good. Markstrom should be the real deal.

    Guess I’m not going to be a HF prospect guide writer anytime soon.

    No love for Nick Bjugstad? F 6’4″ 210, 24G 40P in 36GP U of Minnesota.

    Colby Robak? 6’4″ 210 D 8G 31P in 58GP San Antonio Rampage

    Alec Petrovic? 6’4″ 195 D 10G 44P in 65GP Red Deer Rebels.

    Quintin Howden? 6’3″ 185 F 30G 63P in 49GP Moose Jaw Warriors

    When you look at that group in combination with Huberdeau, Kulikov, Gudbranson, Ellerby and Markstrom I think you can see Tallon won’t be hurting in the youth department for a vey long time.

    John McFarland? 6’0″ 195 F 24G 50P in 49GP Ottawa 67′s

  65. DSF says:

    Woodguy: My optimal tough scoring line with this roster is:

    4-89-83

    23-93-14 just doesn’t feel right, but that’s what having 4-89-83 together leaves.

    93-14 are getting sheltered hard so I don’t think that LW matters a whole lot.Hall draws some attention, which doesn’t do the other two any good, so I like drawing all the attention to one line.

    Hall and Hemsky can play those types of minutes.

    A 23 (Black) sporting a 14 points in 10 games streak would look mighty good there.

  66. Marc says:

    cabbiesmacker,

    My problem with that is that we really don’t know if any of those guys are any good at the NHL level. You’d have to give up a couple of top prospects to get someone who may not actually be able to upgrade to goal tending next season.

    Good numbers in the minors don’t necessarily mean a goalie is a good bet. Toronto started the season, in which they expected to be a playoff team, with 2 NHL and 2 AHL that all had good minor league numbers, but who had between the four of them fewer games pro experience than Dubnyk had by himself.

    A pretty clear lesson on the hazards of depending on young goalies with good minor league numbers…

  67. godot10 says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie
    “If Schultz goes to UFA, it would be a major blow to ANA. If he doesn’t sign soon, logical implication is he’s going to UFA.”

    Discuss

  68. godot10 says:

    godot10,

    That is Justin Schultz, the stud D from the Wisconsin Badgers.

  69. Bruce McCurdy says:

    DSF,

    DSF: I’m still convoked that 6 weeks of HHOF goaltending and two games where the Oilers scored 17 goals against the Hawks are not the norm.GA/10 games (SO goals excluded)
    12
    33
    27
    34
    33
    38
    27

    The sample size is large enough to indicate that the Oilers W/L record and GA is being seriously skewed by that first 10 games.Of course it happened but that doesn’t mean it’s sustainable (as we’ve already seen) or repeatable.Even with that first ten games accounted for, the Oilers are 27th in the league in GA/G and would have been dead last if they had given up 30 goals in the first 10.

    Assuming their GF remained the same, they would be sitting at a nasty -44.Just a little serendipity to shine things up a little.

    Sure, let’s assume that in the tight checking first 10 games that the Oilers should maintain their low goals for rate (just 20) but that their defence and goaltending from that stretch would magically disappear. Let’s just magically add 18 GA and 0 GF. That’s real scientific.

    While we’re busy making reasonable assumptions to “normalize” things, let’s assume that Kris Versteeg’s scoring rate of 25 points in the first 20 games was unsustainable. Let’s assume that he scored at his traditional career rate of ~0.6 P/G (that he has averaged again in the 39 games he’s played since that hot start) in that span rather than his out-of-body 1.25, and we can subtract 13 goals from Florida’s GF totals. With that “adjustment” they slip from an already shitty 26th in the league in offence to 29th. All praise Dale Tallon!

  70. Lowetide says:

    Hey, this DSF logic works!

  71. DSF says:

    Bruce McCurdy:
    DSF,

    Sure, let’s assume that in the tight checking first 10 games that the Oilers should maintain their low goals for rate (just 20) but that their defence and goaltending from that stretch would magically disappear. Let’s just magically add 18 GA and 0 GF. That’s real scientific.

    While we’re busy making reasonable assumptions to “normalize” things, let’s assume that Kris Versteeg’s scoring rate of 25 points in the first 20 games was unsustainable. Let’s assume that he scored at his traditional career rate of ~0.6 P/G (that he has averaged again in the 39 games he’s played since that hot start) in that span rather than his out-of-body 1.25, and we can subtract 13 goals from Florida’s GF totals. With that “adjustment” they slip from an already shitty 26th in the league in offence to 29th. All praise Dale Tallon!

    Not sure exactly how you deduct 13 goals from Florida’s totals based on Versteeg’s production since he only scored 12 in their first 20 games. I guess if you shot him and his line mates you would have a valid point although I’m sure their replacements would likely have scored a goal or two.

    Nice try though.

  72. Woodguy says:

    DSF: A 23 (Black) sporting a 14 points in 10 games streak would look mighty good there.

    I like 23 Black a lot. Always have.

    I even said in the 83 threads I ‘d trade 83 straight up for him given what 23 brings and his gms/season. I love 83 and wouldn’t have traded 23 for him on a different roster. (i.e. 2008 Oilers)

    That being said, you seem to like him a lot.

    14 pts in 10 games.

    Is that what you think his average will be next year?

    1.4pts/gm?

    Care to wager on a 75% reduction in Black 23′s production over the entire 12/13 season?

    You take the 75% decrease (0.80pts/gm) I take the under.

    Are you down?

  73. Bruce McCurdy says:

    knighttown,

    knighttown: I think my take will be rather radical. Before I start let me give you an idea how biased I am…I wouldn’t vote Martin Brodeur into the Hall of Fame as I think he’s the most overrated player in hockey history.

    You usually talk sense, Knighttown, but I have to profoundly disagree with this assessment. In my books Brodeur is one of the greatest goalies of all time, and should / will be an automatic first ballot selection.

    Are you rating him on his save percentage alone? (Seems to be the general thrust of this conversation, not sure if that’s where you are coming from.) I take issue with ranking goalies by one stat, while we use all sorts of new-fangled stats to colour in details and context on position players. Statistically speaking, we are rendering goalies as two-dimensional cardboard cutouts. I’d rather rank goalies by the full spectrum of stats, just like we do with “out” players, and by some observation beyond the stats.

    Don’t have time to get into the numbers, but Brodeur’s save percentage is negatively affected by New Jersey’s notoriously low shot counter (he’s got the funkiest home/road splits for shots faced of any of the modern greats), and does not account whatsoever for shots prevention effects, of which he is an acknowledged master. Such is very difficult to quantify, but even a hater like the Contrarian Goaltender acknowledges it’s worth a few hundredths, which is usually about the margins that separate the top guys.

    That aside, his record of durability and consistency is unsurpassed and will be duly credited by voters when the time comes.

  74. DSF says:

    Woodguy: I like 23 Black a lot.Always have.

    I even said in the 83 threads I ‘d trade 83 straight up for him given what 23 brings and his gms/season.I love 83 and wouldn’t have traded 23 for him on a different roster. (i.e. 2008 Oilers)

    That being said, you seem to like him a lot.

    14 pts in 10 games.

    Is that what you think his average will be next year?

    1.4pts/gm?

    Care to wager on a 75% reduction in Black 23′s production over the entire 12/13 season?

    You take the 75% decrease (0.80pts/gm) I take the under.

    Are you down?

    No.

    Since we have no idea what the LA roster will look like next season, I wouldn’t take that bet.

    But I would certainly bet he’ll outscore Hemsky…which I already have.

  75. Woodguy says:

    DSF: No.

    Since we have no idea what the LA roster will look like next season, I wouldn’t take that bet.

    But I would certainly bet he’ll outscore Hemsky…which I already have.

    Won’t bet on a 75% decrease in production of a player you are crowing about?

    Perhaps you don’t like him as much as you intimate.

  76. Woodguy says:

    Sam is letting that happen lately.

    Not good.

  77. jfry says:

    feed please. thanks

  78. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF,

    Kulikov, Markstrom, Gudbransson and Ellerby I deem already graduated. If thats where we’re going I toss Leddy in with Kreuger as prospects.

    I know Petrovic very well.

    Still like Hawks prospect list better. We agree to disagree. NP.

  79. Lowetide says:

    Focus is an issue for young 89, but our man Dubnyk needs to follow the puck a little better.

  80. cabbiesmacker says:

    Marc:
    cabbiesmacker,
    My problem with that is that we really don’t know if any of those guys are any good at the NHL level. You’d have to give up a couple of top prospects to get someone who may not actually be able to upgrade to goal tending next season.

    I give up picks to get them or move around in the draft.

  81. Lowetide says:

    renney just wants to roll lines. Yes, yes he does.

  82. Bos8 says:

    First row sports.eu works fine. NB Do not get into any winning blurbs.

  83. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Focus is an issue for young 89, but our man Dubnyk needs to follow the puck a little better.

    True, but a center letting his check go to the net alone when the puck is near there is basic stuff.

  84. Lowetide says:

    Yep, agreed. Samwise has a lot of good things but he’s not a finished product.

  85. Woodguy says:

    knighttown,

    -Why does Ryan Smyth continually take 30mph slapshots from 50 feet? What happened to that slippery little chip-and-chase move he used to use?

    I think he’s shooting for a rebound.

    I also think he tends to do that near the end of his shift.

    The end of his shift is coming earlier as he ages though.

  86. bendelson says:

    Lowetide,

    That goal was a big old mess a poor play. Clearly you two are right about Gagner and Dubnyk on the goal but to not include indifference from Hemsky the point is not telling the whole story. The shot from the point never happens to start the combination of errors if Hemmer was more involved.

  87. Lowetide says:

    Well they’re going to have to roll Whitney around on a flatbed truck next season but that was a helluva goal.

  88. pboy says:

    Laser beam by Whitney and another point for Schultz.

    Dubnyk gave up his usual “soft goal”, now he just needs to let one more like that in and he’ll be good for the rest of the game.

  89. bendelson says:

    Ryan Whitney is amazing. Is it early to be discussing contract extension?

  90. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Won’t bet on a 75% decrease in production of a player you are crowing about?

    Perhaps you don’t like him as much as you intimate.

    Your hiney is already mine.

    Why would I let you hedge your bet?

  91. Woodguy says:

    I really like the 37 who plays with 94 much more than the 37 who plays with 57.

    I think 37 with 10-94 and 28 with 20 works much better for a few reasons.

    - 37 is much better defensively than 28
    -37 is much better down low in the ozone than 28
    -28′s cheat for offense doesn’t hurt nearly as much against 4th line players as it does vs. 1st and 2nds.

    DSF,

    Two things:

    1) I like my bet. A lot.
    2) I have stopped being amazed at what people will agree to when asked, so I always ask. More than a few people could be goaded into that bet is my guess. Well done for not falling for my DSF’ing of the stats.
    :)

  92. cabbiesmacker says:

    That SJ goal is exactly why I am not a Gagner fan. Ridiculous weak effort to bump his man off the puck , are you doing the Bump there Sammy?,, then lose your guy and look around chewing your mouthguard. Pat Kane you ain’t.

    Competent in the offensive zone if he’s got a little room, a sack of hammers between the blues, and generally useless in his own end.

    I will be really interested in turnover / scoring chances against if he and Hemsky continue to play together.

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: our man Dubnyk needs to follow the puck a little better.

    Dubnyk is as Dubnyk does.

    Dubnyk does as Dubnyk is.

    Take your pick.

    Assuming there’s a GM out there that agrees that Dubnyk has value, Tambellini , having evaluated, makes that trade.

    Dubnyk is a decent backup, provided the other guy is Martin Brodeur, who’s available as a UFA this summer.

    But oilers already have Khabibulin, so they can’t win!

  94. cabbiesmacker says:

    Woodguy:
    I really like the 37 who plays with 94 much more than the 37 who plays with 57.
    I think 37 with 10-94 and 28 with 20 works much better for a few reasons.
    - 37 is much better defensively than 28
    -37 is much better down low in the ozone than 28
    -28′s cheat for offense doesn’t hurt nearly as much against 4th line players as it does vs. 1st and 2nds.

    The only thing Jones does better than Shaun of the Dead is finish. Shaun looks like he’s playing with welding gloves at times.

  95. cabbiesmacker says:

    hunter1909: Dubnyk is as Dubnyk does.

    Dubnyk does as Dubnyk is.
    Take your pick.

    Dubnyk is like a box of chocolates?

  96. Lowetide says:

    Omark will need to clear waivers now in order to go down to OKC, according to Eric Rodgers.

  97. hunter1909 says:

    Shultz goes into the boards with Marleau, and comes out standing with Marleau on his ass.

    That’s the kind of play the defence can make to expose the Sharks as a spent, washed up force.

  98. Woodguy says:

    bendelson:
    Lowetide,

    That goal was a big old mess a poor play.Clearly you two are right about Gagner and Dubnyk on the goal but to not include indifference from Hemsky the point is not telling the whole story.The shot from the point never happens to start the combination of errors if Hemmer was more involved.

    I just re-watched the goal after reading your post.

    What are you talking about?

  99. Lowetide says:

    The Sharks look like the Islanders in the final game of the ’84 SCF–without the Stanley’s. Impressive names on the jerseys, but they were spent. Sharks should be up by 2 in this game by now.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Oilers PP has lost its fizz.

  101. hunter1909 says:

    Smucks like the Sharks see look at the standings and can’t help but think oilers as an easy 2 points, not realising how bloody good they’re getting.

    The way the Sharks are playing tonight, they’ll be lucky to get an OT point.

  102. Woodguy says:

    Pretty sure that save makes up for the first goal.

  103. DeadmanWaking says:

    I’m still convoked that 6 weeks of HHOF goaltending and two games where the Oilers scored 17 goals against the Hawks are not the norm.

    The existence of outliers in any dataset is the norm. If you persist in this cognitive error much longer, you’ll be branded the Distorted Statistics Feed forever after (kudos to whomever came up with that). You’re up against Gauss in this matter, who some consider the smartest mathematician who ever lived, running stride for stride with Newton and Archimedes in the break-away peloton. Unless you think the measurement itself is broken, you can’t improve your estimator by truncating tails. You can, however, improve robustness at the expense of accuracy. (Underestimates of variance are inherently more robust, as one would naively–and correctly–conclude from the principle of regression to the mean.)

    This is the same stupidity that went on in many of the early environmental debates. Find any place in the world having seriously unusual weather for a few months, then yell “See!” as loud as you can in a crowded room. In an average, exceedingly boring year, many local records will fall. There’s never a drought year for bogus claims.

    Do you think it’s weird if someone in a giant, crowded casino makes a huge cash-out in any given evening? No, it would be weird if the dog didn’t bark. If no-one in the whole casino wins a dime, I’d be checking for private aircraft warming up nearby. “So long and thanks for the chips!”

    You’re refusing to smoke the good stuff because you’re addicted to working backward from conclusion to data. But take a look around you at the loud and disreputable environmental activists sharing the short bus with your hockey genius.

    Let it be stated that some environmentalists are top-drawer statisticians and there’s some very impressive work in this field. But you simply can’t believe everything an attention-starved noise-maker shouts in a crowded room.

  104. hunter1909 says:

    Pretty sure Dubnyk just went back into the debit column for the second goal.

  105. hunter1909 says:

    DeadmanWaking,

    There is a hockey game on, right?

  106. bendelson says:

    Woodguy,

    When the puck goes up high along the boards, Hemsky has an opportunity to either take a step forward and doubleteam the puckcarrier thereby breaking up possession, or he can back off and stay with his man (the open man at the point). Instead, he stayed right in the middle and watched the play happen. It was a bad read.

    A convoluted way of sayiing the 1st SJ goal was 3 mistakes by 3 Oilers in about 3 seconds… it was ugly.

    You’re OK with Hemsky on the goal?

  107. Lowetide says:

    I’m not absolutely certain, but this might be my favorite thread ever. DMW bringing it!

  108. DeadmanWaking says:

    Let me add one more thing: just because the data disagrees with you doesn’t mean you’re wrong. Many brilliant people trusted their insight over a particular lump of data, and were often proved right. But you can’t turn the data against itself to prove that the bits of the data that disagree with you are somehow more disreputable than the rest of it. For that you need to find methodological errors in how the data was assembled, e.g. systematic bias in how the shots are counted will bias save percentage.

    There’s a right way and a wrong way to do this. Being on the wrong side will get a scientist banned from science for a long time.

  109. hunter1909 says:

    Young Gordie Howe probably scored goals that looked like the one Hall just scored unassisted.

    oilers want to help out their friends in Calgary tonight. Maybe they figure a 1st playoff round massacre of the Flames will entertain the Edmonton fans, and besides, the Sharks are an old, washed up, never-going-to-win-anything NHL team these days.

  110. Woodguy says:

    bendelson:
    Woodguy,

    When the puck goes up high along the boards, Hemsky has an opportunity to either take a step forward and doubleteam the puckcarrier thereby breaking up possession, or he can back off and stay with his man (the open man at the point).Instead, he stayed right in the middle and watched the play happen.It was a bad read.

    A convoluted way of sayiing the 1st SJ goal was 3 mistakes by 3 Oilers in about 3 seconds…it was ugly.

    You’re OK with Hemsky on the goal?

    Yes, the Shark is skating towards 83, with 89 on his tail.

    83 tries to take away the pass and also takes away the center of the ice.

    If he goes to the SJS player then the Dman has 25 feet of free ice if he gets he puck.

  111. Lowetide says:

    Mike Johnson mentioned Gagner was gassed but it’s clear he lost his mark and then didn’t really find a dance partner he could jostle thereafter.

  112. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide:
    Mike Johnson mentioned Gagner was gassed but it’s clear he lost his mark and then didn’t really find a dance partner he could jostle thereafter.

    Yeah, Gagner chases Mitchell up the boards, but not back to the net.

  113. bendelson says:

    Woodguy,

    It would be a risk to attack the player yes…

    I agree 83 tries to take the pass away.

    The effort was far too passive.

    I didn’t see him taking away the middle of the ice… he’s sneaky good.

  114. DSF says:

    DeadmanWaking: The existence of outliers in any dataset is the norm.If you persist in this cognitive error much longer, you’ll be branded the Distorted Statistics Feed forever after (kudos to whomever came up with that).You’re up against Gauss in this matter, who some consider the smartest mathematician who ever lived, running stride for stride with Newton and Archimedes in the break-away peloton.Unless you think the measurement itself is broken, you can’t improve your estimator by truncating tails.You can, however, improve robustness at the expense of accuracy.(Underestimates of variance are inherently more robust, as one would naively–and correctly–conclude from the principle of regression to the mean.)

    This is the same stupidity that went on in many of the early environmental debates.Find any place in the world having seriously unusual weather for a few months, then yell “See!” as loud as you can in a crowded room.In an average, exceedingly boring year, many local records will fall.There’s never a drought year for bogus claims.

    Do you think it’s weird if someone in a giant, crowded casino makes a huge cash-out in any given evening? No, it would be weird if the dog didn’t bark.If no-one in the whole casino wins a dime, I’d be checking for private aircraft warming up nearby.“So long and thanks for the chips!”

    You’re refusing to smoke the good stuff because you’re addicted to working backward from conclusion to data.But take a look around you at the loud and disreputable environmental activists sharing the short bus with your hockey genius.

    Let it be stated that some environmentalists are top-drawer statisticians and there’s some very impressive work in this field.But you simply can’t believe everything an attention-starved noise-maker shouts in a crowded room.

    Oh, no doubt.

    We should all go into next season expecting Khabibulin to exercise a 15 game stretch of goaltending that no one has ever accomplished before,

    And I expect every season henceforth Sam Gagner will have an 8 point game so he can keep pace with Kyle Wellwood,

    Why wouldn’t I?

  115. whale says:

    Dubnyk lacks what I would call a sixth sense.

  116. asiaoil says:

    The level of micro-analysis on every Oiler goal is about as useful as Hunter’s broken record comments – not very. Long-term results are all that matters and I don’t care of Dubnyk throws every 13th puck directed toward him into his own net if that’s all he gives up.

  117. Woodguy says:

    Renney goes into sideburns mode and benches 23.

    On 23′s last shift he covered for 25 when he pinched (yet again) and couldn’t get back.

  118. LMHF#1 says:

    Belanger is such a champion scorer though…

    Fire Renney…and the rest of them. What a joke.

  119. Woodguy says:

    23 out with 10/94 for a shift.

    Sideburns averted.

  120. Woodguy says:

    Oilers are best attacking on the rush.

    Their break-out game has been awful tonight.

    Forwards not close enough to the D, every pass seems like its 50 feet into traffic or its off the glass and out.

    No flow.

    83 near invisible because of it. Hasn’t carried the puck much all game.

  121. ASkoreyko says:

    I think Horcoff should of spent a little more time looking at the puck on that last play. The quick look around only works if you can actually handle a puck.

    Terrible.

  122. LMHF#1 says:

    Woodguy:
    Oilers are best attacking on the rush.

    Their break-out game has been awful tonight.

    Forwards not close enough to the D, every pass seems like its 50 feet into traffic or its off the glass and out.

    No flow.

    83 near invisible because of it.Hasn’t carried the puck much all game.

    They keep going up the boards in their own zone. Idiots. Skate it up the damn middle.

    In the offensive zone, they essentially had no chances from a sustained attack. Why? More play on the boards. Morons. All of em. Any peewee coach could see this.

  123. SK Oiler Fan says:

    knighttown,
    Re: To me it’s 90% system/team and 10% goaltending – this statement seams like you’ve swung too far to support your opiion – in my opinion anyway.

    Others may say X goalie makes X defence much better

    I’m in between – goalie and team system are both major factors.

    Excellent examples to support your position. However, for everyone of those examples I’m guessing there’s another example where a team saw a decrease in GA simply by upgrading in goal.
    2006 Oilers might be an ok example – although there were roster upgrades elsewhere at the deadline as well.
    Flames getting Kiprusoff would be another.

    I’m too lazy to dig up the numbers though – hence the guess.

  124. knighttown says:

    @ Bruce and SK Oiler Fan

    My assessment on Brodeur is probably a little over-the-top in an effort to prove a point. There’s no doubt you can’t throw away his terrific resume just because he played for Satan the Hockey Killer. I do doubt he’s a HOFer if he was an Edmonton Oiler during that stretch. Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek would have been in my humble opinion. And there most definitely are difference makers at the positon, and Marty was one of those. But the way these goalies are coached to block the puck instead of saving it and to cover the bottom of the net? These guys are robots. Add 9″ in width and 4′ in height to the net and NOW you’ll see difference makers.

    Your Oiler run of 2006 is a fair counter. Roloson was terrific but Chris Pronger was the best defenseman I’ve seen in my adult life during that run. He played 30 minutes a night and if he was on for 5 goals against during that whole playoffs I’d be surprised. And, oh yeah, he led the team in scoring with 21 points in 24 GP and was +10. I’ve never been able to generate any hatred toward that man because of how transcendent he was for those 2 months.

    So there you have it…proof of my bias. Ask a guy if they think Roloson was the Conn Smythe winner and you’ve got a Brodeur guy. If he gives the nod to Pronger he’s a defeseman guy. Again, IF I wanted my team to reduce my goals against I’d take Barry Trotz and Ryan Suter and you can take Tom Renney and Pekka Rinne and we’ll let the chips fall where they may.

  125. DSF says:

    Looks like Renney has lost the room:

    Joanne Ireland ‏ @jirelandEJ

    “It doesn’t take many for the wrong approach, wrong attitude, wrong give a shit to make its way thru your dressing rm.” #Oilers Tom Renney
    Retweeted by mc79hockey

  126. bookje says:

    DSF:
    Looks like Renney has lost the room:

    Joanne Ireland ‏ @jirelandEJ

    “It doesn’t take many for the wrong approach, wrong attitude, wrong give a shit to make its way thru your dressing rm.” #Oilers Tom Renney
    Retweeted by mc79hockey

    I think the room needs a culture change – somebody fire the dressing room staff.

  127. cabbiesmacker says:

    DSF,

    Yep. Apparently the shit hit the fan in the DR after tonights game. KIds are not happy.

  128. Lowetide says:

    It’s a direct quote from Joanne Ireland who has it on her twitter. Wow. This might be the end for Renney, even before the end of the season. Wonder who he’ll Penner?

  129. bookje says:

    Lets face it, the veterans know the season is over – they have been here before and don’t see any need to kill themselves to end the season. Give them something meaningful to play for next year and they will be there.

    Renney sounds more and more like a guy nearing the end of his term here.

  130. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje: I think the room needs a culture change – somebody fire the dressing room staff.

    Biggest culture change required is one of winning and they aren’t going to get there with this team of second rate crap. Maybe if there was a good enough blowout there’ll be some heads finally rolling.

  131. Lowetide says:

    All we need now is a Taylor Hall trade request. Things are going swimmingly!

  132. DSF says:

    Lowetide:
    It’s a direct quote from Joanne Ireland who has it on her twitter. Wow. This might be the end for Renney, even before the end of the season. Wonder who he’ll Penner?

    Hemsky.

    Book it.

  133. Traktor says:

    DMW: What are your thoughts on Monsanto?

  134. SK Oiler Fan says:

    knighttown,

    Well Pronger was there all year so his stud D effect was theoretically in place before Roli came along and it still wasn’t enough to counteract the Conkanen effect. Now Samsonov , Rem the Jem, Dicky T, and Spacek were all added around the deadline along with Roloson so there may have been an improvement in team play because of these aquisitions. It’s certainly not a perfect example to support my opinion.

    Kiprusoff is likely a better example to support my position.
    Maybe Van when they first got Luongo.
    Roloson also gave TBay a boost for a short time.

    To get a relevant example of the effect of a new goalie on a team or vise versa you have to have a switch at the G position with the coach and team remaining the constant. Which pretty much means you have to look at mid season trades for goaltenders.

    I will acknowledge there are certainly many examples of a team system or a stud D having a significant effect on G performance. – i.e. Brian Elliot

  135. gogliano says:

    Has anyone been checking to see if DD is the first off the ice after practice?

    It wouldn’t surprise me; if he should a little more commitment he might be able to pull off a 15-game stretch of .965% that we’d have to throw out of the population if we were going to get a real sense of what was going on.

  136. bookje says:

    cabbiesmacker: Biggest culture change required is one of winning and they aren’t going to get there with this team of second rate crap. Maybe if there was a good enough blowout there’ll be some heads finally rolling.

    What the hell kind of nonsense are you spewing – I think its pretty clear that its time to replace the dressing room staff – nuff said!

  137. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    It’s a direct quote from Joanne Ireland who has it on her twitter. Wow. This might be the end for Renney, even before the end of the season. Wonder who he’ll Penner?

    Yeah, I am guessing the Plan was to wait until summer and just not renew Renneny quietly, but once he starts engaging in a war of words with his players, then he may find the door more quickly. Maybe its time for another concussion. I can just imagine Katz at home reading that Twitter post – “Somebody get me SMID on the line!”

  138. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje: What the hell kind of nonsense are you spewing – I think its pretty clear that its time to replace the dressing room staff – nuff said!

    You are 100% correct and I stand reprimanded with a sore arse. My apologies. I clearly jumped over the most urgent priorities.

    Now go wash your hands.

  139. DSF says:

    You’re millionaires.

    Suck it up and play hockey.

    - Tom Renney.

  140. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Just saw the entire session – Renney brought out the you’re a millionaire – show up and do your job statement
    He’s gone – it’s Krueger time for the rest of the year.

  141. cabbiesmacker says:

    Renney about to get Orville Tessier’d.?

    Its all on Lowe and his gang of merry men. Katz cannot be this blind or stupid. Even with all that cheese on his forehead.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Renney looked like he was riding a cart to the guillotine tonight.

    The team’s mailed in the season, while theheadcoachtomrenney coaches in a way eerily like MacTavish when his own ship was taking in water.

    Does anyone know if the OIL CHANGE people had a camera crew handy in the post-game dressing room tonight?

    TO ASIAOIL: Sorry for breathing.

  143. "Steve Smith" says:

    Lowetide:
    I’m not absolutely certain, but this might be my favorite thread ever.

    It’s what happens when I’m at the game and unavailable for commenting.

  144. LMHF#1 says:

    I knew Renney was horrible at changing the scheme, and didn’t know when to play appropriate players, but adding “whining baby” to his resume should take the cake.

  145. "Steve Smith" says:

    DSF: Oh, no doubt.

    We should all go into next season expecting Khabibulin to exercise a 15 game stretch of goaltending that no one has ever accomplished before,

    And I expect every season henceforth Sam Gagner will have an 8 point game so he can keep pace with Kyle Wellwood,

    Why wouldn’t I?

    You’re one of a kind, DSF. I hope.

  146. bookje says:

    TSN is Tweeting that the Oilers have just assigned Tom Renney to Hershey.

  147. bookje says:

    Wow, you need to see the video – Renney looks a bit crazy.

    He mentions that he went to a funeral yesterday – I suspect that it was a meaningful one to him and he is carrying some of that emotion. He looks shook up right after he says ‘I went to a funeral yesterday’. If that is the case, I suspect that it won’t affect management’s opinion about him at all.

  148. cabbiesmacker says:

    bookje:
    TSN is Tweeting that the Oilers have just assigned Tom Renney to Hershey.

    Mmmmm…chocolateeee

    or

    Mmmmmm…Barbaraaa

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