G73 Oilers at Predators

The young group of forwards currently in the Oilers employ should probably ask for asylum at the Grand Ole Opry after tonight’s game. All that jazz up front added to that Nashville sound would make for beautiful music into June every year.

We had a nice chat in the post below about Oscar Klefbom and his immediate future. My sense is that the Oilers will likely sign him and then send him back to (or have him stay in) Sweden for another year. Why? First, there’s no hurry. The club can afford to be patient with their teenage defensemen–even the first rounders–because there just aren’t very many of them who can play  NHL hockey effectively.

Plus they have an enormous graduating class–potentially Martin Marincin, Jeremie Blain, Brandon Davidson and Kyle Bigos–and may want to sign Klefbom, Gernat and Musil from the 2011 draft. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the Oilers draft Ryan Murray or Griffin Reinhart (more in a minute) and then sign Klefbom. Let’s say they also add an NHL defenseman and decide against re-signing Cam Barker.

NHL D

  1. Ladislav Smid (signed through 2013 summer)
  2. Jeff Petry (RFA likely to sign multi-year deal)
  3. Free agent addition
  4. Ryan Whitney (signed through 2013 summer)
  5. Nick Schultz (signed through 2014 summer)
  6. Ryan Murray or Griffin Reinhart (entry level)
  7. Oscar Klefbom (entry level)
  8. Andy Sutton (signed through 2013 summer)
  9. Theo Peckham (extremely unlikely to return)

There. I’ve placed Smid-Petry at the top and after that it’s the UFA/trade addition and Whitney or Schultz depending on the quality of the addition or Whitney’s health. That’s 7.

AHL D

  1. Corey Potter (signed through 2014 summer to NHL deal)
  2. Alex Plante (RFA this summer, effective AHL player)
  3. Taylor Chorney (RFA this summer, effective AHL player)
  4. Taylor Fedun
  5. Colten Teubert
  6. Martin Marincin (rookie pro, entry level deal kicks in)
  7. Jeremie Blain
  8. Brandon Davidson
  9. Kyle Bigos (has one more year of NCAA eligibility)

We’re at 18 names and haven’t added in those AHL veterans (Bryan’s Helmer and Rodney this season) yet. So we’re about 20 names deep for Edmonton, OKC and a couple in Stockton. Seems at least three too many, no?

Let’s say Edmonton goes with 18D and 5G, leaving 27 forwards for their 50-man list. This past season Edmonton’s 50-man list included 13D (plus Marincin, whose contract doesn’t count toward the 50 since he was sent back to junior) and 4G, plus 30 forwards.

  1. Shawn Horcoff
  2. Ryan Smyth (UFA but likely to be signed)
  3. Ales Hemsky
  4. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
  5. Taylor Hall
  6. Jordan Eberle
  7. Sam Gagner
  8. Eric Belanger
  9. Ryan Jones
  10. Ben Eager
  11. Linus Omark
  12. Teemu Hartikainen
  13. Magnus Paajarvi
  14. Tyler Pitlick
  15. Curtis Hamilton
  16. Mark Arcobello
  17. Anton Lander
  18. Chris Vande Velde (RFA)
  19. Tanner House
  20. Cameron Abney
  21. Phil Cornet
  22. Ryan Martindale
  23. Antti Tyrvainen
  24. Hunter Tremblay (RFA)
  25. Milan Kytnar (RFA)
  26. Drew Czerwonka (graduating junior)
  27. Kristians Pelss (graduating junior)

plus the forwards who will make the 50-man list and play in the AHL (Josh Green, Ryan Keller, Arcobello this past season). Plus of course the Oilers will no doubt want to add and subtract from the forward group.

I get 29 forwards, 20 defensemen and 4 goalies. 53.

Finally, Murray-Reinhart. My sense is that the Oilers will draft a franchise defenseman this season, in the belief this will be their last lottery pick for ages. The club may miss the playoffs again next year–that would be my bet today–but getting a can’t miss player at #10 is not always possible.

Anyway, that’s my premise. Draft Murray, send Klefbom back signed. If Murray can make the grade out of camp and continues to play well during his early season audition, then it’s wonderful news. If not, send them both back and get things started 2013 fall.

 

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  1. rickithebear says:

    XXX-RNH-EBERLE? I hope Eberle??
    HALL-Gagner-Rieder
    MP-XXX-XXX

    Smid-Petry
    xxx-Klefbom

    For the Next 12 Years Not too worried about lottery after this year.

  2. regwald says:

    Remember when everyone thought it was crazy that the Oilers took a 2013 draft pick for Cogs ? At least it shows a glimmer of what you have been talking about the last couple of days – asset management.

    With the strong prospect pool coming out of the draft for the Oilers, they have a challenge of keeping all of the picks under contract. This dman issue is an example. We all know it is a long way from the draft floor to the NHL, but they have some tough decisions to make. That’s a good thing in my mind.

  3. HBomb says:

    Lowetide,

    Rickibear already referenced it, but I did get a chuckle out of the top photo featuring Eberle, and then said player getting left off the list of forwards for next year.

    It’s early on a Tuesday, you are forgiven. At least by me.

  4. Clay says:

    I think that LT has some inside info, and Eberle is on the trading block!!! A sign of the apocalypse for 2012???

  5. "Steve Smith" says:

    regwald:
    Remember when everyone thought it was crazy that the Oilers took a 2013 draft pick for Cogs ?

    By “everyone”, you mean RiversQ?

  6. Lois Lowe says:

    Cogliano is having a Cogliano season. On pace for 82 games again (so he is an actual NHLer) and 27 points. I can’t figure out if he’ll ever turn the corner a la Dan Cleary or if his rookie year was his high water mark.

  7. Lowetide says:

    Fixed. Bastards.

  8. regwald says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    Not sure if it was RiversQ, but I remember a few comments about … “it’s a strong draft year in 2012 and we are taking a 2013 pick”. As it turns out the banter lately is that is weaker draft year and teams are very willing to trade their 1st rd picks at the trade deadline.

    I guess it all depends on your perspective.

  9. Lois Lowe says:

    I’d actually like to hear Ricki’s goal vs assists thesis on Reider too. I remember him using it to bang the drum hard against RNH, but does it work for a 19 y/o season?

  10. Woodguy says:

    I think Plante and Chorney are medium to long shot to be with the organization next fall.

    Chorney more so than Plante.

    Plante was an AHL all star and that’s a feather in his cap, but you can time his skating with a sundial and they seem to prefer calling up Tuebert to him for that specific role.

    By my eye I prefer Tuebert to Plante in that role as well.

    If Bigos isn’t signed this summer, he’s going to go UFA next summer, given that his hockey year in school is done, if he isn’t signed soon, I’d expect that he won’t be signed at all.

    So if you discount Peckham and at least one of Chorney/Plante, you are really close.

    Anyone know if Hall is back tonight?

  11. Clay says:

    LT has Eberle slated 6th on the depth chart, even though he’s clearly Jesus on skates!!! LT hates Eberle!!! A sign of the apocalypse for 2012???

  12. oilersfan says:

    Woodguy- MAtheson said yesterday that Hall is not going on the road trip, will miss all 4 games unless they are 100% sure he is fine, but they will lean towards caution.

    LT – While many are saying Murray could play in the NHL this coming season, I don’t think anyone is saying Reinhart will. If they draft Reinhart I think you can be sure he will play for the OilKings next year.

  13. regwald says:

    oilersfan,

    Saw a tweet yesterday (not sure who, sorry) that Hall was going on the roadtrip.

    Found it. Dan Tencer

    Dan Tencer ‏ @dantencer

    Just making sure this is out there…Taylor Hall is on the road trip with the Oilers.

  14. D says:

    LT,

    Have you ever had the chance to visit Nashville? It’s a great town. (And a really good NHL city by all metrics). For what it’s worth, I think the Oilers make the playoffs next year – i.e. the team drafts their stud defenseman at the draft this year, declares the rebuild over from a draft perspective, and starts hitting the free agent market again, taking advantage of cap space and the promise of bright days ahead to lure free agents. Of course, if a lockout wipes out next season and the Oilers get to draft top 3 again, that would be glorious.

  15. Ducey says:

    I’d actually like to hear Ricki’s goal vs assists thesis on Reider too. I remember him using it to bang the drum hard against RNH, but does it work for a 19 y/o season?

    Yeah, I get a kick out of how some people insist that certain longshots are guaranteed NHL stars.

  16. FrankenOil says:

    Can someone direct me to a link or post where Rajala’s contract was terminated? I don’t recall ever hearing this and it was referenced in the thread yesterday (and LT doesn’t have him listed). Capgeek still has under contract till the end of 2013/2014. I would be more than a little disappointed if they gave up on him based on his fairly successful year with Brandon in 2010/2011

  17. Jordan says:

    Woodguy:
    I think Plante and Chorney are medium to long shot to be with the organization next fall.

    Chorney more so than Plante.

    Plante was an AHL all star and that’s a feather in his cap, but you can time his skating with a sundial and they seem to prefer calling up Tuebert to him for that specific role.

    By my eye I prefer Tuebert to Plante in that role as well.

    If Bigos isn’t signed this summer, he’s going to go UFA next summer, given that his hockey year in school is done, if he isn’t signed soon, I’d expect that he won’t be signed at all.

    So if you discount Peckham and at least one of Chorney/Plante, you are really close.

    I’ve been hearing from a couple of different sources (CnB, guests on Team1260, possibly elsewhere too…) that Chorney has been slowly eating Helmer’s PP time as the year has gone on. His counting numbers have been climbing as well – now 1 point more with 13 less GP than Helmer, with a better +/- . Helmer’s been a great player for the team, and in the AHL, but right now, it looks like Chorney’s the better player. and he’s still improving.

    It may be that they part ways this year, but I’d rather have him on the Barons next year as the puck-moving vet than either Rodney or Helmer.

    Based on who has been doing the heavy lifting this year, I’d keep Plante too – been doing a world of good against the tougher opponents in the AHL. If the clutch and grab style does come back, he’s a player who may yet have a hope in the NHL too – just lacks the footspeed now. Who knows… maybe Serdachny can get him up to speed anyways!

    Plante-Klefbom
    Teubert-Marincin
    Chorney-Davidson
    Blaine-Fedun

    Seems most likely, esp. with the raw number of pro rookies coming. players like Yeo, Montgomery, Rodney, Helmer… they are readily available if the need arises. Spending 8+ contracts on AHL level Dmen seems quite high, but considering they are all prospects…. I can see it working out.. Its a reasonably balanced collection of Defencemen.

    If only our forwards looked this balanced…

  18. Ribs says:

    Stauffer tweets this lineup….

    28-93-14
    56-89-83
    94-10-37
    16-20-55

    Or, for the numbers-impaired (if I recall correctly)…

    Jones-Nuge-Eberle
    Hartikainen-Gagner-Hemsky
    Smyth-Horcoff-Petrell
    Hordichuk-Belanger-Eager

  19. gd says:

    LT,

    When I look at every teams’ top 6 dmen, only a few of the elite teams have legitimate NHLers in each spot. A team ahead of the Oilers has a 38 yr old Staios playing 18 minutes a game. This tells me the bidding for the FA dmen will be crazy, and I don’t think Widemen or Garrison justify huge long term tickets. I really think the Oil have adequate D to get to at least 10th in the West next year, as long as they improve their defensive zone coaching. I think the odds are better that someone like Tuebert/Chorney/Plante will be ready next year versus finding a diamond in the rough on the FA market

    That said the more I read the more the pick either has to be Grigerenko or Murray, unless they can turn the pick into someone like OEL. Murray’s age (which some people look as a negative) means that if the Oil think he his worth drafting at no.2 he should be ready for top 4 duty by 2013/14.

  20. pboy says:

    Looks like Omark will definitely be with another organization next season. He’s either been on the 4th line or in the press box since his call up. I think regardless of whether or not Renney is back, Linus will be elsewhere.

    Elliotte Friedman didn’t paint a very pretty picture of the 3 Russian kids at the top of the draft this year in his 30 thoughts. I wonder how much our 1st rounder will be worth if the other GM’s are hesitant about drafting Russian kids? Or do the Oiler’s roll the dice with one of these kids? Should make for an interesting draft at least.

  21. commonfan14 says:

    D: Of course, if a lockout wipes out next season and the Oilers get to draft top 3 again, that would be glorious.

    In the event of next season being wiped out, this will be a very remote possibility or even impossible if the NHL were to use the same system for the 2013 draft that they used for the 2005 draft.

    The fact that we drafted 1st overall twice (and maybe 3 times) would cost us either 2 or all three of our ping pong balls, which would likely or certainly put us at the bottom of the first round and the top of the second round.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26401

  22. gogliano says:

    Any chance the 50 player cap is on the table for the CBA agreements?

  23. Clay says:

    I don’t mean to thread-jack, but Graham James was sentenced today. Two years.

    What a cruel, disgusting joke.

    I love Canada, but I hate how easy we are on criminals.

  24. Woodguy says:

    Jordan,

    Forgot about Rodney, so there’s one spot.

    Helmer is on an AHL contract with OKC, so he doesn’t count towards the 50.

    If they sign Helmer or someone like him on an AHL only contract, there might be room for both Chorney and Plante.

    I doubt either of them sign an AHL contract, so if they stay, they’ll be on the 50.

  25. "Steve Smith" says:

    Clay,

    I’m not going to wade too far into this, and probably won’t respond to any responses to my comment (so anybody who wants the last word against me is welcome to it), but maybe try serving a two year sentence before you call it “easy”.

    (And no, going through life the victim of a child sex assault isn’t “easy”, either. And neither’s going through life with a sexual attraction to children. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than hating “how easy we are on criminals”.)

  26. stevezie says:

    If Renney loves Hordichuk so much, why doesn’t he play him? He slots him into the lineup like a coach who loves tough guys, and gives out ice-time like a coach who hates them. I don’t understand what he thinks a lineup that already features Eager and one of Sutton or Peckham needs from Hordichuk.
    Ice-time says a lot, Renney clearly thinks Hordi sucks.
    I am so confused.

  27. bookje says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    Clay,

    I’m not going to wade too far into this, and probably won’t respond to any responses to my comment (so anybody who wants the last word against me is welcome to it), but maybe try serving a two year sentence before you call it “easy”.

    (And no, going through life the victim of a child sex assault isn’t “easy”, either.And neither’s going through life with a sexual attraction to children.It’s a hell of a lot more complex than hating “how easy we are on criminals”.)

    Having a sexual attraction to children and acting on it are two very very different things. I for one, am willing to sacrifice the freedom of individuals who are hardwired or softwired to sexually abuse children for the sake of protecting children. I would do the same to people who have compulsions to kill other people.

    I understand the complexity of compulsion. I frequently tell myself that I need to eat healthier, that I am overweight, that I need to watch what I eat, etc. However, I frequently find myself surprised that I finished the whole box of pizza. The point is that I frequently allow my own addiction to food to overwhelm my rational judgement. If you added the complexities of sexual attraction to that situation, I can imagine that it is very difficult for the individuals involved. Particularly when there are almost no support systems out there for them.

    With that said, if I were ever compulsed to rape a child and found myself close to acting on it, I hope I would do society a favour and swallow a bullet. If I failed to do so, I would respect the individual who pulled the trigger for me.

    I hope that is not the last word from you Steve. Hockey is pretty much done for. What are we going to do all summer if not debate moral and legal issues like this?

  28. "Steve Smith" says:

    bookje,

    I’ll respond only to make sure that it’s clear that I’m not saying sexually assaulting children is legally or morally acceptable. It is not. I’m just saying that there is a lot of room between “legally and morally innocent” and “lock ‘em up and throw away the key”.

  29. Bar_Qu says:

    bookje,

    “Steve Smith”,

    While I understand the need to respond to this news report (and you’ve done it in a nuanced and reasonable way) there is no way a discussion of this will lead to anything other than thread closure. The less said about Mr. James here, the better.

  30. "Steve Smith" says:

    Bar_Qu,

    So’s your old man.

  31. rickithebear says:

    Ducey: Yeah, I get a kick out of how some people insist that certain longshots are guaranteed NHL stars.

    Yeah cause Draft (cam Barker)position proves you are sure (cam Barker)NHL’er.

    Scoring goals (Corey Perry) at a18 year (bobby ryan) pace of an Elite (Spezza) scorer, Means nothing.

    Or Being kitchner’s (landeskog) leading point getter (M. Richards) at age 18 (Derek Roy), Means nothing.

  32. "Steve Smith" says:

    rickithebear: Yeah cause Draft (cam Barker)position proves you are sure (cam Barker)NHL’er.

    Yeah, and you need to be above six feet (Wayne Gretzky) to succeed in the NHL.

  33. bookje says:

    Bar_Qu:
    bookje,

    “Steve Smith”,

    While I understand the need to respond to this news report (and you’ve done it in a nuanced and reasonable way) there is no way a discussion of this will lead to anything other than thread closure. The less said about Mr. James here, the better.

    Look, if we don’t talk about the sexual abuse of children and the failings of our justice system, we are going to have to talk about the Edmonton Oilers, a team in the NHL, and that would simply be depressing.

    Ok, I’ll stop, but I have to admit, I have an innate compulsion to try and dis-rail threads by complex and emotionally charged topics! Now, where is my pizza, wtf, its all gone, I ate it? Damn, I can’t believe myself.

  34. Bar_Qu says:

    Why don’t I derail the discussion in a more germane fashion.

    Landeskog does not deserve the Calder he is going to win.

    Baertschi will win it next year.

    Weber is overblown in awesomeness/60 by at least 10%.

  35. bookje says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Why don’t I derail the discussion in a more germane fashion.

    Landeskog does not deserve the Calder he is going to win.

    Baertschi will win it next year.

    Weber is overblown in awesomeness/60 by at least 10%.

    Wunderbar!

    You did say German right?

  36. art vandelay says:

    Ladislav Smid (signed through 2013 summer)
    Jeff Petry (RFA likely to sign multi-year deal)
    Free agent addition
    Ryan Whitney (signed through 2013 summer)
    Nick Schultz (signed through 2014 summer)
    Ryan Murray or Griffin Reinhart (entry level)
    Oscar Klefbom (entry level)
    Andy Sutton (signed through 2013 summer)
    Theo Peckham (extremely unlikely to return)

    That’s your D next year?

    Pray that a UFA Dman is crazy enough to sign in Edmonton and avoid the same kind of mistreatment/vitriol from fans/media that beset Pronger and Souray?

    Phhht.

    Fourth-straight lottery pick. Book it.

  37. FastOil says:

    I fail to see the point of screwing around with Omark. If they don’t want him, put him on Hall’s RW and get him a whack of points. Then trade him. What is the point of publicly calling him too small (Renney), sitting him in the PB or giving him no chance to make himself desirable on the 4th line?

    This team is infuriating. Don’t devalue your assets please. There are lots of teams that need skill and bums in seats. Teams will want him.

  38. rich says:

    Art – with all those d-men (both real and perceived) on the roster and in the system, it’s realistic to assume there is going to be some kind of trade – which might be how the Oilers address their issue this summer on the back end.

    For better or worse.

  39. Bar_Qu says:

    bookje,

    Hang on, I didn’t properly Finnish my comment.

  40. bookje says:

    Bar_Qu:
    bookje,

    Hang on, I didn’t properly Finnish my comment.

    Oh My, for the good of society, I think we should stop now…

  41. hunter1909 says:

    FastOil: I fail to see the point of screwing around with Omark. If they don’t want him, put him on Hall’s RW and get him a whack of points. Then trade him. What is the point of publicly calling him too small (Renney), sitting him in the PB or giving him no chance to make himself desirable on the 4th line?

    Because that’s the oiler’s way. My personal beef with management is how they’re basically sending out a “come and flatten our Kid Line” message to the rest of the NHL.

    Since only a fool would imagine Renney getting another coaching job here, I hope they get a guy like Barry Trotz, pay him through the nose whatever it takes, especially after all the bullshit about how rich drugs mogul Katz is supposed to pour money into the franchise + whatever else his mafioso alluded to when he was that public relations war with the EIG.

    NOTE TO KATZ: After suffering through MacT + Renney, no more metrosexual head coaches, please. Get the kids an old school type who isn’t yet senile(Barry Trotz comes to mind).

    Unfortunately Trotz is meant to be a model citizen, which will put him too much at odds with the moral filth running this team, ha ha.

  42. D says:

    Nice find commonfan14. I stand duly corrected.

    :)

    commonfan14: In the event of next season being wiped out, this will be a very remote possibility or even impossible if the NHL were to use the same system for the 2013 draft that they used for the 2005 draft.

    The fact that we drafted 1st overall twice (and maybe 3 times) would cost us either 2 or all three of our ping pong balls, which would likely or certainly put us at the bottom of the first round and the top of the second round.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26401

  43. hunter1909 says:

    projected 2013-14 top six:

    HALL/NUGENT-HOPKINS/EBERLE
    YAKUPOV/MCKINNON/HEMSKY

    lol

  44. hunter1909 says:

    RE: OILERS LOSING OUT DRAFT POSITION IN CASE OF A LOCKOUT

    If we don’t have to endure another terrible oilers season, it’s for the best. It really is.

  45. Woodguy says:

    hunter1909,

    Unfortunately Trotz is meant to be a model citizen, which will put him too much at odds with the moral filth running this team, ha ha.

    Don’t hold back Hunter, tell us how you really feel.

  46. Jordan says:

    bookje: Oh My, for the good of society, I think we should stop now…

    Don’t let the Puns die! There must be more groaners! If you haven’t crapped your pants because of how much P U came from the last pun you heard, you haven’t Punned enough!

    I know Éva Gábor would be hungary for more…

  47. denny33 says:

    art vandelay,

    NHL D
    1.Ladislav Smid (signed through 2013 summer)
    2.Jeff Petry (RFA likely to sign multi-year deal)
    3.Free agent addition
    4.Ryan Whitney (signed through 2013 summer)
    5.Nick Schultz (signed through 2014 summer)
    6.Ryan Murray or Griffin Reinhart (entry level)
    7.Oscar Klefbom (entry level)
    8.Andy Sutton (signed through 2013 summer)
    9.Theo Peckham (extremely unlikely to return)

    If the above is even close to our next years D lineup – we can all start researching the 2013 draft class…The organization will have some tough decisions this June as rumours persist that a couple of teams have no interest in the russians and are looking to trade. Rumours have it the oilers were also thinking of dealing their pick as well. Soft market for trading picks?

    Reality Check: How is the Oilers 2011- 62nd overall pick overall – doing in his Development?

    I present to you the future Edmonton OIler – Samu Perhonen G ( 3rd party appraisal )

    ‘He has the physical tools to be an NHL calibre starter, however has struggled thus far in Finland’s lower leagues and junior leagues. There is nothing to genuinely suggest he will emerge as anything *more than an average Finnish League goalie* at this point but he has a tantalizing set of skills that will buy him much more time to develop than many other goalies would get.’

    Just my two cents, even the biggest Ryan Murray supporters say he is a top 3 or 4 NHL guy at best….I think we have our fill of lower tier d-man. Just my thoughts.

    Again, my bias is for the Dumba kid – one of the best skating d-man in the draft along with the best shot…..

    Same as in all pro sports…do you draft on current need or the best player availible?

  48. DSF says:

    hunter1909:
    RE: OILERS LOSING OUT DRAFT POSITION IN CASE OF A LOCKOUT

    If we don’t have to endure another terrible oilers season, it’s for the best. It really is.

    We really need the NHL to adopt relegation.

    The bottom 2 teams in each conference should be forced to play in the AHL until they win an AHL championship and get re-instated.

    Might light a fire under some asses.

  49. LMHF#1 says:

    How much better would it be to have a D group that looked like this:

    Jason Garrison – Ladislav Smid
    Nick Schultz – Jeff Petry
    Justin Schultz – Ryan Whitney
    Corey Potter – Andy Sutton (though I’d rather deal Sutton)

    (I didn’t consider R vs. L, just wanted to get a top 8 down)

    I’m not sure as it doesn’t exactly have a #1…but it also wouldn’t appear to have a #5 or 6. Bunch of #2′s through #4′s quite possibly. Certainly accessible to us and likely at reasonable dollars.

  50. FastOil says:

    In this draft Yakupov is the only clear choice as far as talent. So really, anyone else in the top ten has a good a chance to excel as the others. Another easy out for ST, can’t really make a bad choice.

  51. Jordan says:

    Question:

    Is anyone tracking the summary of COH’s Neilsen Numbers and Dennis’ Scoring Chances somewhere? I was looking at the traditional stats on the Oilers page w.r.t. +/- leaders and with 5 players on the positive, I was curious how they looked scoring chance wise.

    I’d bet that Ebs and Smid are + in both categories, but wasn’t sure if Sutton, Gagner and Schultz would translate to positive SC as well.

    Thanks!

  52. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy:
    hunter1909,

    Unfortunately Trotz is meant to be a model citizen, which will put him too much at odds with the moral filth running this team, ha ha.

    Don’t hold back Hunter, tell us how you really feel.

    I believe I’m on record for calling out this franchise as being little more than a shill for a “legit” version of a Mexican drug cartel.

    Is there anything else you would like to know, Woodguy? The door is always open.

  53. Ducey says:

    rickithebear: Yeah cause Draft (cam Barker)position proves you are sure (cam Barker)NHL’er.Scoring goals (Corey Perry) at a18 year (bobby ryan) pace of an Elite (Spezza) scorer, Means nothing.Or Being kitchner’s (landeskog) leading point getter (M. Richards) at age 18 (Derek Roy), Means nothing.

    Wow, so Tobias Rieder is as good as Perry, Ryan, Landeskog, Richards and Roy.

    You heard it here first folks.

    I can’t to find out to learn he hasn’t panned out as management hasn’t given him a good enough chance.

    Just think, if the Oilers would just put together a line of Rieder – Pouliot (or maybe Schremp)- Omark, they would be Cup bound instantly. :)

    Look Ricki, I hope he makes it, but listing him with the likes of Eberle, Hall etc. for the next 12 years might be jumping the gun a little. He is two years removed from the Landshut Canibals and has had one good year.

  54. hunter1909 says:

    RE OILERS DRAFT PICK @)!@:

    That is 2012 but it’s all appropriate, as “Steve Smith” likes to say.

    I’m reading that Ryan Murray is comparable to Mark Howe. I guess that means he’s got great size, skating, toughness, and Norris Trophy calibre smarts.

    Maybe that’s why no one talks about him. They don’t remember Mark Howe, lol.

  55. "Steve Smith" says:

    hunter1909:
    That is 2012 but it’s all appropriate, as “Steve Smith” likes to say.

    As William Shakespeare once remarked, “I don’t remember saying that.”

  56. D says:

    I think there’s a lot of merit to this idea actually.

    DSF: We really need the NHL to adopt relegation.

    The bottom 2 teams in each conferenceshould be forced to play in the AHL until they win an AHL championship and get re-instated.

    Might light a fire under some asses.

  57. H.A.F says:

    D,

    And then what? pull up two dinky AHL teams to the NHL? What about scheduling? The farm system? Salaries? Building size? league revenues? This might be the stupidest thing i’ve read from DSF. Might be.

  58. "Steve Smith" says:

    H.A.F,

    Well, relegation works elsewhere in pro sports, but that’s with a completely different league structure. And when the Oilers were relegated, could they selectively call up across all the good players from the Barons, who are suddenly their competitors (and whom they own, quite apart from any affiliation agreement)?

    Relegation can work, but it would require a total reconfiguration of North American professional hockey. I don’t think DSF would deny this, in his defence.

  59. rickithebear says:

    Ducey: Wow, so Tobias Rieder is as good as Perry, Ryan, Landeskog, Richards and Roy.

    Did not think there would be a dip shit who did not look at OHL network.

    So a scout says there is a player
    1. scores like Skinner, Tavares, Stamkos, Hall, Kane,Perry, Spezza.
    2. top 3 PK forward in the OHL
    3. Leader of Kitchner in scoring like Skinner, Richards, Roy.
    But, he doesn’t have a good chance in the NHL.

    WTF!

    Ducey:
    .7Goals per Game @ 18, Rieder, Skinner, Seguin, Tavares, Stamkos, Hall, Kane,Perry, Locke, Spezza.
    Leader in scoring @18 for the Kitchener rangers:
    Rieder, Skinner, M. richards, D. roy

    What in that trending says failure

  60. spoiler says:

    LT

    What was the Showdown fiasco? I’ve been looking all day and have found zippo.

    Loved Showdown. They should bring back (they already have, but now they call it “The Shootout”.)

  61. H.A.F says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    I use my first post here to get some DSF hate off my chest, and you defend him. Thanks.

    One more and then I’m done. To all the people that phone the TEAM and begin the call with “im a season ticket holder”, F#%k off. Sell your tickets or keep them, but dont think that having them qualifies you as a shareholder.

  62. "Steve Smith" says:

    H.A.F,

    Sorry about that. Your second post was awesome – hope there’ll be a third.

  63. DSF says:

    H.A.F:
    D,

    And then what?pull up two dinky AHL teams to the NHL? What about scheduling?The farm system?Salaries? Building size?league revenues?This might be the stupidest thing i’ve read from DSF.Might be.

    No one promised you a rose garden.

  64. DSF says:

    “Steve Smith”:
    H.A.F,

    Well, relegation works elsewhere in pro sports, but that’s with a completely different league structure.And when the Oilers were relegated, could they selectively call up across all the good players from the Barons, who are suddenly their competitors (and whom they own, quite apart from any affiliation agreement)?

    Relegation can work, but it would require a total reconfiguration of North American professional hockey.I don’t think DSF would deny this, in his defence.

    Dying is easy.

    Comedy is hard.

    Although I must say a 28 team league would certainly make realignment a lot easier.

    If Katz had to have his team play in the AHL for a season or two, I’m sure the rebuild would be over in fewer than 6 years.

  65. TheOtherJohn says:

    HAF

    You get that the season tcikets holders pay for 50+% of total Oiler team revenue. Right? Single largest source of revenue by far. So while that may piss you off, it is also true. So instead of saying f***k off, assemble your friends and buy a pair of tickets and share those tickets. Then when you see an abysmal effort and you know you just spent $200.00 it is just a wee bit more distasteful. You, you get to turn the channel or shut the tv off

  66. DBO says:

    yeah, Nashville is much better then us.

  67. bendelson says:

    DBO,

    yeah, Potter and Peckham on the road against a quality opponent might be an issue.

  68. hunter1909 says:

    Predators v oilers: Boring boring boring. I’m adding Preds to my growing list of bandwagon faves in the 2012 playoffs, just the same.

    RE Relegation Talk: If oilers played in a Euro-system that supported relegation, and without any cap, then it follows that, using the EPL model, Toronto becomes Chelsea(spends all the money to get the very best players), the Rangers morph into Man City(following the Chelsea model, once more buying the best players no matter how much they cost), Montreal has to be Manchester United(in an imaginary world where they’re fully funded by the government, and literally hace a licence to print money so they get most of the best french players), Boston becomes Arsenal(:P) and oilers become Bolton Wanderers(a small market franchise, that’s usually relegated 3 out of every 10 years and never wins anything). No thanks. I prefer my current delusion that Oilers have a chance to compete in the future.

  69. DBO says:

    LOL. Take that Omark. Hordichuk sniper!

  70. Ducey says:

    rickithebear,

    What in that trending says failure

    I take it thats the same “trending” that told you the Nuge was going to be a flop because he didn’t get enough goals?

    Is there some law of the universe that says: “If you can score in Kitchener, you can score anywhere”?

    I hope you are right and the Oilers are patiently bringing along the next Stamkos, its just a tad hard to believe.

  71. Woodguy says:

    83 and 89 have been seeing 2nd pair Dmen for the last 4 games or so.

    I’d like to see them make some hay.

    If those two players don’t have to deal with 1st pairing Dmen, then they should score.

  72. DBO says:

    OK then.

  73. Woodguy says:

    And Ales says ok.

  74. bendelson says:

    Nice call Mr. Referee.

  75. Woodguy says:

    Ales Hemsky is a bad, bad man.

  76. DBO says:

    Woodguy,

    2 goals last 2 games. that’ll work i guess for Hemsky. May be called back, but they are making some waves nicely.

  77. hockeyguy10 says:

    I think the guy they showed in the stands after Hemskys goal might be the Oilers biggest fan…..

  78. Woodguy says:

    If Hemsky and Gagner are playing 2nd pairing D, then I expect that line to average 1+ goals a game.

    Hemsky has outscored 1st pairing D with players not as talented as 89.

    1st pairing D followed 83 all year until 89′s 8pt game, then now they seem to follow 14 and 4.

    Make hay while the sun shines.

  79. Lowetide says:

    spoiler:
    LT

    What was the Showdown fiasco? I’ve been looking all day and have found zippo.

    Loved Showdown. They should bring back (they already have, but now they call it “The Shootout”.)

    In a nutshell:

    1. Showdown was a hugely popular series in the mid 70s, with extra money going to players and their union.
    2. Harold Ballard hated the union, players making any more money than what they were paid, events happening anywhere that didn’t make money for MLG.
    3. Imlach didn’t like Sittler.
    4. Sittler wanted to be in Showdown, Imlach said no because “players could get hurt.” Before we go farther, I want to assure those who didn’t see Showdown there was no WAY you could get hurt during the event.
    5. Imlach told him no.
    6. Sittler did it anyway.
    7. Imlach began shopping Sittler.
    8. Sittler said he wouldn’t go (he might have had a no-trade or something)
    9. Imlach traded his best friend Lanny McDonald.

    It’s all true. What a travesty. you’ve got a guy like Borje Salming who bled all over North America and played brilliant hockey and a pretty nice support cast and so the GM deals your sniper.

    Holy hell. Made my poor Grandma cry.

  80. Kert says:

    Is it strange that they specify it’s a good hockey goal?

    It’s probably not that relevant if it’s a good anything else goal.
    Is it just a reminder for the Nashville fans that they are at a hockey game?

  81. Woodguy says:

    For the love of everything that is good, can the Oilers/DD not give up that late goal.

    Please?

  82. Lowetide says:

    Petry needed to get that puck out, but DD also needed to stop play and get a re-set. Oh well, we weren’t going to get out of Nashville without any tears shed, it isn’t that kind of town.

  83. Woodguy says:

    I like 15 as a player, and even more now that Renney is giving him top 4 minutes.

    15 had the puck on his stick for clearing that puck twice in the scoring sequence.

    1st time bounced backwards off the stansion. Not his issue.

    2nd time was a panic pass that was meh.

    Forwards broke hard when he had the puck the 1st time and didn’t get back.

    Shitty luck.

  84. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy,

    hemsky left the ice on a line change when they didn’t have control of the puck

  85. Lowetide says:

    I thought Petry had the chance, must have been previous sequence.

  86. Woodguy says:

    hockeyguy10,

    Really?

    Watch that again and tell me he made a mistake.

    He was 1 foot from his bench at the end of a shift and you are saying he shouldn’t change?

    Really?

  87. Traktor says:

    I don’t think many AHL teams would voluntarily play in the NHL even if they could. With the salary floor and substandard arenas most would likely lose 20-30 million dollars per year.

    Hemsky tied Ben Eager in goals.

  88. Gret99zky says:

    sound on the SN feed us going up and down and up and down and up and down.

    freakin annoying. muted now.

  89. Woodguy says:

    Just passed him actually.

    Keep up.

  90. Lowetide says:

    Mentioned this last game but it’s a shame 83 is running out of racetrack.

  91. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy,

    Watched it again,still think so.And 56 looked like he wanted to change too but changed his mind and was out position to check Weber.

  92. Woodguy says:

    Lowetide,

    He’s got about 110 games of track until Jones starts running him out of town again.

    Assuming Tambellini sends out the memo, right Danny?

  93. Lowetide says:

    This is what it was like playing the California Golden Seals, only with a different logo and much worse players.

  94. Woodguy says:

    There DD goes.

    He made all 3 saves there.

    Can’t look at a goalie after the 2nd one.

    Oilers need that more often.

  95. striatic says:

    I would be excited if ..

    A] this game meant anything.

    or

    B] the predators weren’t doing this to themselves

    It doesn’t, and they are, so i’m not.

  96. Lowetide says:

    Trotz rarely gets pissed, but it’s kind of funny. Helluva coach, I’d be fine if NAS won the Stanley.

  97. DSF says:

    That was a goal.

  98. rich says:

    Paul Devorski is a REALLY BAD REF.

  99. H.A.F says:

    I thought that was a goal for NSH.

  100. striatic says:

    I’m iffy on that being a goal. It was a chintzy push, but it was a push and instead of being able to focus on the puck and try to make the save, dubnyk was contending with the push.

    Iffy, because I think DD doesn’t find the puck even without being pushed, but we will never know that for sure, because he was.

  101. bendelson says:

    It going to take more than that Eager call to make up for that goal…
    there it is.

  102. rich says:

    Gee, ya think we can get Devorski to waive that one off too?

  103. striatic says:

    Umn .. What was Peckham doing on the PK on a 5 on 3?

  104. Woodguy says:

    Make that 2 over Eager.

    Ales Hemsky is a bad, bad man.

  105. pboy says:

    Big deal. Kyle Wellwod has……….

  106. Woodguy says:

    striatic,

    He’s actually quite good at it.

    Best tool in his bag I’d say.

  107. striatic says:

    Ok. That was fun. : ]

  108. rich says:

    Cue DSF and a small sample size…

  109. Gret99zky says:

    Adda boy Hemmer!

    1st career hattrick! Shooting the puck is really something.

  110. Woodguy says:

    DD make a great save on the first shot on the PK GA.

    58 caught out high, but I think they teach it that way because they all do it.

  111. DSF says:

    rich:
    Cue DSF and a small sample size…

    I think you have that covered :)

  112. striatic says:

    Woodguy,

    Is there somewhere you can get per player PK%?

  113. bendelson says:

    Now would be the time to talk about Peckham. Tough pinch Theo.

  114. rich says:

    DSF: I think you have that covered

    Nice comeback!

  115. Lowetide says:

    There are a lot of pretty girls in Nashville.

  116. godot10 says:

    Lowetide:
    There are a lot of pretty girls in Nashville.

    Every 18-year old girl from the south who wants to be a country singer (if you call Nashville music country) goes there…so your observation is not surprising.

  117. Traktor says:

    Hemsky only 6 behind Jones.

    If he doesn’t wait until game 70 next year to play hockey we might just have a shot at 10th overall in the conference.

    DD playing really well the last couple games. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad.

  118. Lowetide says:

    lol. Hemsky’s a beauty. Hater’s gonna hate, but cheering against 83 must be like chugging vinegar tonight.

  119. Woodguy says:

    hockeyguy10:
    Woodguy,

    Watched it again,still think so.And 56 looked like he wanted to change too but changed his mind and was out position to check Weber.

    83 should be hit with a large stick if he doesn’t change there.

    He’s near a minute on his shift and at the bench.

    He probably can’t get back if he wants to.

  120. DBO says:

    So Petrell injured groin. Hall or Omark in the lineup next game?

    HeHe. Who am I kidding. They’ll rush Hall, sit Omark. Hordichuk is a sniper, so no need for Omark and his offensive style.

  121. Lowetide says:

    Omark hasn’t shaved since Friday. No chance with those pork chops!

  122. gogliano says:

    Still prefer Renney to Steinbrenner.

  123. whale says:

    I kind of think Hemsky (if not injured too much) will be PPG next year the way he’s playing these days. That will put us at possibly 3 for next year. We should be close playoff hockey again. Man, I can’t wait!

  124. DBO says:

    weak. refs working hard to make up calls

  125. bendelson says:

    DBO,

    That was a hell of a cross check to Hemsky’s lower back. It takes/reveals a plan to ignore one and call the other a penalty.

  126. hockeyguy10 says:

    Woodguy,

    I see it differently ,no big deal. Without the bad bounce we wouldn’t have even had the discussion.

    :-)

  127. DeadmanWaking says:

    Deterrence is an extremely interesting topic if not arrived at from the let’s get tough on cherry-picked exemplars. That’s why we like the hockey code: it reassures us that deterrence works as we wish to believe it does, despite resounding evidence to the contrary in nearly any walk of human affairs. This one I watched just yesterday:

    Jon Stewart interviews George Carlin

    Three minutes in he talks about how rarely the dim realization “this drug is killing me” influences behaviour. So much for deterrence. Even when it works, it often degenerates into an arms race monopolized by the least deterred, until the tooth fairy trades in her sack for a wheelbarrow.

  128. danny says:

    Lowetide:
    lol. Hemsky’s a beauty. Hater’s gonna hate, but cheering against 83 must be like chugging vinegar tonight.

    I don’t think Traktor is cheering against 83, he was a big supporter of signing him, and for more than he actually received.

    I think the negative 83 remarks are more of a response to the preferential treatment hes got around here, and the haters penchant for honing in on weaknesses on the groupthinks armor.

    —-

    Nuge is fading. He turns the puck over with awkward passes much more lately. It was rare through the first 30 games. Doesnt matter really though, hes flashed his wares, and the return will be bountiful. It’s soon going to be a good time to be an Oilers fan

  129. DBO says:

    danny,

    Nuge misses a winger other then eberle who can take and make a pass. Jones scores around the net, but he doesn’t think the game the same way. Hall with Nuge and Eberle, put MPS with Gagner and Hemsky.

  130. spoiler says:

    Don’t know if we survive this period against the mustard gas attack, but can’t take anything away from Hemmer.

  131. DSF says:

    danny: I don’t think Traktor is cheering against 83, he was a big supporter of signing him, and for more than he actually received.

    I think the negative 83 remarks are more of a response to the preferential treatment hes got around here, and the haters penchant for honing in on weaknesses on the groupthinks armor.

    —-

    Nuge is fading. He turns the puck over with awkward passes much more lately. It was rare through the first 30 games. Doesnt matter really though, hes flashed his wares, and the return will be bountiful. It’s soon going to be a good time to be an Oilers fan

    Might be important to bring some perspective to the party.

    Michael Ryder has 32 goals, 39 assists and 71 points.

    His cap hit is $3.5M and he was signed as a UFA.

  132. pboy says:

    Is there some reason Renney isn’t using his timeout here? Did they use it earlier and I missed it? This is exactly when a coach can try and change the pace of a game.

  133. danny says:

    DSF: Might be important to bring some perspective to the party.

    Michael Ryder has 32 goals, 39 assists and 71 points.

    His cap hit is $3.5M and he was signed as a UFA.

    I don’t think rhetoric means what you think it does.

  134. spoiler says:

    First empty net goal this decade?

  135. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    Omark hasn’t shaved since Friday. No chance with those pork chops!

    His problems are much bigger than sideburns, that’s pretty obvious.

  136. Lowetide says:

    I like a lot of players tonight. Dubnyk has made some big saves, Hemsky 4 points, Hartikainen with a gem and I thought Gagner also played well.

    Smid is a monster. Blammo. Kungpao!

  137. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide:
    Trotz rarely gets pissed, but it’s kind of funny. Helluva coach, I’d be fine if NAS won the Stanley.

    Any chance Trotz gets brought to town by Mr Katz’s promised money?

  138. bookje says:

    I turned on the game just-in-time see the three stars announcement. Looks like I missed something.

  139. delooper says:

    Schultz’s ice-time is gradually creeping up.

  140. Jon K says:

    I might be mistaken, but I think that makes 17 points for Petry in his last 31 games. I think that would compare with 5 in his first 35 games.

  141. rich says:

    Very happy for Hemsky. And DD played well w/standing a lot of pressure from the middle of the 2nd period on and hung in there.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    Renney looked like a 1974 Richard Nixon out there during the game. At one point he appeared to be talking, but no one was really paying attention.

    Hope someone talks to Renney in the offseason, with Renney well oiled, then they talk to Souray for HIS definitive version of why the oilers are a rotten, corrupt, and filthy dirty stinking hockey franchise. What other team would routinely allow it’s three best players to be smashed against the ice, boards etc by the opposition, then say nothing, like it’s not even happening?

    The scary part is, they probably can’t even see anything wrong.

  143. spoiler says:

    The way Hemmer has been attacking the net for the last month or so, this game is a very just reward.

  144. Woodguy says:

    striatic,

    BTN has SA/60 and GA/60 for 4v5 and 3v5

  145. Woodguy says:

    Woodguy:
    striatic,

    BTN has SA/60 and GA/60 for 4v5 and 3v5

    Thought I remember seeing 3v5 there, but can’t find it.

  146. spoiler says:

    Lowetide: In a nutshell:

    1. Showdown was a hugely popular series in the mid 70s, with extra money going to players and their union.
    2. Harold Ballard hated the union, players making any more money than what they were paid, events happening anywhere that didn’t make money for MLG.
    3. Imlach didn’t like Sittler.
    4. Sittler wanted to be in Showdown, Imlach said no because “players could get hurt.” Before we go farther, I want to assure those who didn’t see Showdown there was no WAY you could get hurt during the event.
    5. Imlach told him no.
    6. Sittler did it anyway.
    7. Imlach began shopping Sittler.
    8. Sittler said he wouldn’t go (he might have had a no-trade or something)
    9. Imlach traded his best friend Lanny McDonald.

    It’s all true. What a travesty. you’ve got a guy like Borje Salming who bled all over North America and played brilliant hockey and a pretty nice support cast and so the GM deals your sniper.

    Holy hell. Made my poor Grandma cry.

    I know Imlach dealt Lanny because he was Sittler’s buddy, but LT Sittler was traded 5-6 years after Showdown ended (IIRC). Could that really have been the reason?

    Didn’t know though that Ballard forbade Sittler from participating, and that’s nice to know, but the trade came in a different decade.

  147. Woodguy says:

    danny,

    the haters penchant for honing in on weaknesses on the groupthinks armor.

    Supporting signing the best ppg player the Oilers have had since Weight is not a weakness.

  148. Lowetide says:

    spOILer: No, Sittler wasn’t traded because of Showdown. they tried to, but iirc Sittler had a no trade. By the time Toronto dealt Sittler his footspeed–never a strong suit–had left him.

  149. Woodguy says:

    DSF: Might be important to bring some perspective to the party.

    Michael Ryder has 32 goals, 39 assists and 71 points.

    His cap hit is $3.5M and he was signed as a UFA.

    Perspective also includes the fact that he scored .519pts/gm the year he signed that contract and a .608 ppg career right?

    Perspective.

  150. Dalton says:

    hunter1909: What other team would routinely allow it’s three best players to be smashed against the ice, boards etc by the opposition, then say nothing, like it’s not even happening?

    Renney has bitched about officiating pretty much every post game for the past three months…….

  151. spoiler says:

    Lowetide:
    spOILer: No, Sittler wasn’t traded because of Showdown. they tried to, but iirc Sittler had a no trade. By the time Toronto dealt Sittler his footspeed–never a strong suit–had left him.

    Jesus, they sure had a hate-on for the union though, huh? Almost Detroit like. Cost them, that war. Wonder how much influence Eagleson had in TO those days.

  152. DSF says:

    danny: I don’t think rhetoric means what you think it does.

    It means exactly what I think it does.

    Good GM’s go out and find value contracts.

    Bad GM’s make bad bets.

    There are only three players in the NHL with cap hits of $5M+ who have never scored 25 goals in a season.

    Two of them play for the Oilers.

    No coincidence.

  153. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Perspective also includes the fact that he scored .519pts/gm the year he signed that contract and a .608 ppg career right?

    Perspective.

    It would appear Joe is smarter than Steve.

    No other explanation, really.

  154. Lowetide says:

    spoiler: Jesus, they sure had a hate-on for the union though, huh? Almost Detroit like. Cost them, that war. Wonder how much influence Eagleson had in TO those days.

    Oh, Jesus. The 2nd Imlach book is not kind.

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=lWHFPSaRhMgC&pg=PP3&lpg=PP3&dq=punch+imlach+alan+eagleson&source=bl&ots=wLYRZ1ZGKJ&sig=neCDypZnwRPBa74Ef_OBW0qfnvk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SkhpT4SeJcbWiALW_ryCBw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=punch%20imlach%20alan%20eagleson&f=false

    that’s just the beginning.

  155. spoiler says:

    Fuck, posts are disappearing into the ether again. The back button thing doesn’t work every time.

  156. Woodguy says:

    DSF: It would appear Joe is smarter than Steve.

    No other explanation, really.

    Don’t you mean Joe is smarter than Peter?

    Peter is the one that let him walk for free.

  157. Lowetide says:

    Peter, Joe, Steve. Can we give these GM’s numbers? No?

  158. Lowetide says:

    I’d like to see gagner-hartikainen-hemsky again Thursday night.

  159. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF with yet another series of non-value added posts. Shocking.

    NOT.

    _________________

    Suspect Khabibulin starts on Thursday. Dubnyk on Friday.

    Getting too close to Montreal, Minnesota. Need to lose these meaningless games ASAP. The drop off after #2 OV is significant.

  160. Ducey says:

    Dalton: Renney has bitched about officiating pretty much every post game for the past three months…….

    Can you blame him? The refs should be wearing clown shoes most nights.

    Sarich got his bell rung tonight. A shame.

  161. DSF says:

    Woodguy: Don’t you mean Joe is smarter than Peter?

    Peter is the one that let him walk for free.

    Peter had cap issues.

    Joe didn’t.

    Steve didn’t either.

    But he signed a 29 point player for 50% more.

    Peter is doing okay.

    So is Joe,

    Steve has big problems.

    Peter’s team has 87 points.

    Joe’s has 85.

    Steve’s has 66.

    Go figure.

  162. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF: But he signed a 29 point player for 50% more.

    Actually it’s 33 now, nostadamus.

    Not that it matters.Hemsky, when healthy, has been a valuable player over the years. This is the first year in which is production isn’t at his previous levels. If he stays healthy next year, why can’t we expect his production to return to form?

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Hemsky+edges+closer+being+player+before+injuries/6326855/story.html

    After an abbreviated training camp, he played just two games to open this campaign, then left the lineup for 11 games to let a damaged nerve in his right shoulder settle down.

    “There’s 10 games left and I want to try to get better,” he said. “I am feeling stronger. I am feeling way better.

    “I didn’t think it would be like that, to be honest. It’s still taking time for my nerve to heal. I have good days and I have bad days, but I do feel better and better.

    “I’ve had chances (with the puck) but sometimes I just don’t feel strong. I’m working hard in the gym, doing physio, so it’s getting better. I’m not blaming anything on anybody. I just have to try to focus on my game.”

    ____________________________

    It was a good gamble to take to re-sign him, especially at only 2 years cutting down the risk in case of injuries. Since you are self proclaimed nostradamus, perhaps document right now which UFA’s this year the Oilers should sign, and at price. You are also probably well aware Edmonton’s track record to sign UFAs is not overly great, would still be a large gamble and if it doesn’t work out, create another hole in lineup.

    You talk about Shooting % when it suits your argument. Are you aware Ryder is shooting at a 17% rate, above his 12% career average? Are you aware Hemsky’s shooting % is well below his career average?

    Thing is, there are some valid arguments you could make in the decision to re-sign Hemsky. I probably wouldn’t agree with them, but at least I could say you backed up your argument.

    However, you do none of that. You march in with an agenda. Your analogies are asinine (Hall = Moreau), you are excessively stubborn when presented with evidence that counters your lackluster points, you constantly bait and attempt to bring down the mood here. I mean honestly, what do you really contribute on here?

    Do you go to bed doing a fist pump and celebrate, “I pissed off a bunch of Oiler fans today. Mission accomplished”?

    Do you?

  163. PunjabiOil says:

    DSF: Might be important to bring some perspective to the party.

    Michael Ryder has 32 goals, 39 assists and 71 points.

    Perspective would show you Michael Ryder has 32 goals, 25 assists, and 57 points.

    All of a sudden, that’s a 14 point drop in production.

    Combined with his shooting % being 17% this year (averaged ~10% the last 2 seasons), and you don’t have much of a leg to stand on.

    Checkmate.

  164. McSorely Head says:

    DSF Haiku:

    Steve has big problems
    Peter is doing okay
    Steve has 66

  165. gogliano says:

    Shawn Horcoff has 27 goals and 40 assists this season. 67 points isn’t that bad for a defensive center.

    And, more seriously, Hemsky is such a joy to watch when he is on his game that I wouldn’t really care if they had to overpay to keep him, even if meant marginally worse odds for a cup. At some point enjoying watching a graceful athlete do excellent things comes into the picture.

    Hemsky’s 3g-1a projects to 246 goals for and 82 assists, by the way. Looks like a value contract to me.

  166. asiaoil says:

    DD with a .500 record on the 29th place team and a .913 SP – cue the apologists :)

    Kid is now a good 1B but the problem is – and always has been – the 1A

  167. "Steve Smith" says:

    PunjabiOil: Checkmate.

    That’s DSF’s cue to act like you’ve been playing Hungry Hungry Hippos all along.

  168. gogliano says:

    Those worrying (PJ) about a winning streak here should look at the scoring chances tonight and remember the Oil are on a 4 game road swing–tonight starting a 4 games in 6 nights jaunt across the Eastern US (Nashville to TB to FL to CLB). Not heavyweights coming up but this isn’t a good road team and that is a tough travel schedule.

  169. art vandelay says:

    I choose to believe in Hell simply b/c it’s comforting to think Harold Ballard is rotting in it.

  170. MrSmitty says:

    art vandelay: I choose to believe in Hell simply b/c it’s comforting to think Harold Ballard is rotting in it.

    Why all the hate for Harold?

  171. Dalton says:

    DSF: Good GM’s go out and find value contracts.

    Bad GM’s make bad bets.

    There are only three players in the NHL with cap hits of $5M+ who have never scored 25 goals in a season.

    Two of them play for the Oilers.

    No coincidence.

    Ouch, got to give credit where it’s due. You got Tambo pegged on that one.

  172. Woodguy says:

    DSF,

    I know that Monday morning quarterbacking, 20/20 hindsight and contextless stats are the oil in your engine, but unless you can point to where you said that Ryder would be a quality signing last summer, this dog don’t hunt.

  173. Woodguy says:

    DSF: It means exactly what I think it does.

    Good GM’s go out and find value contracts.

    Bad GM’s make bad bets.

    There are only three players in the NHL with cap hits of $5M+ who have never scored 25 goals in a season.

    Two of them play for the Oilers.

    No coincidence.

    Out of the 51 players who have averaged 0.80 pts/gm (min 200 gp) since the lock out, only Jagr (old), Roy, Pominvile and Girouix (RFA contract) make less then Hemsky.

    Hemsky ranks 38th.

    Value contract perhaps?

  174. rickithebear says:

    Dalton: Ouch, got to give credit where it’s due. You got Tambo pegged on that one.

    Tambo my ass.
    the low goal high assist guy, a team target(Lowe)

  175. denny33 says:

    It means exactly what I think it does.

    Good GM’s go out and find value contracts.

    Bad GM’s make bad bets.

    There are only three players in the NHL with cap hits of $5M+ who have never scored 25 goals in a season.

    Two of them play for the Oilers.

    No coincidence.

    I apologize – I am new. The above quote is one of the best posts I have come across on the oilers managment. It needs, and deserves, to be re-posted Why? Because Sean Horcoff should not play on this team next year. I apologize ot the author as do not know who authored this gem. ( I am a luddite and a very, very poor speller )

    The other half of the managment equation is their drafting ability and with this year HOPEFULLY being our final year of endless lotttery picks. ( hint to some fans – years of lottery picks in a row is not a badge to wear )

  176. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    denny33,

    Welcome, aspiring DSF fan! Please read this much better analysis:

    PunjabiOil: Actually it’s 33 (sic… 34!) now, nostadamus.

    Not that it matters.Hemsky, when healthy, has been a valuable player over the years.This is the first year in which is production isn’t at his previous levels. If he stays healthy next year, why can’t we expect his production to return to form?

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Hemsky+edges+closer+being+player+before+injuries/6326855/story.html

    After an abbreviated training camp, he played just two games to open this campaign, then left the lineup for 11 games to let a damaged nerve in his right shoulder settle down.

    “There’s 10 games left and I want to try to get better,” he said. “I am feeling stronger. I am feeling way better.

    “I didn’t think it would be like that, to be honest. It’s still taking time for my nerve to heal. I have good days and I have bad days, but I do feel better and better.

    “I’ve had chances (with the puck) but sometimes I just don’t feel strong. I’m working hard in the gym, doing physio, so it’s getting better. I’m not blaming anything on anybody. I just have to try to focus on my game.”

    ____________________________

    It was a good gamble to take to re-sign him, especially at only 2 years cutting down the risk in case of injuries.Since you areself proclaimed nostradamus, perhaps document right now which UFA’s this year the Oilers should sign, and at price.You are also probably well aware Edmonton’s track record to sign UFAs is not overly great, would still be a large gamble and if it doesn’t work out, create another hole in lineup.

    You talk about Shooting % when it suits your argument.Are you aware Ryder is shooting at a 17% rate, above his 12% career average?Are you aware Hemsky’s shooting % is well below his career average?

    Thing is, there are some valid arguments you could make in the decision to re-sign Hemsky.I probably wouldn’t agree with them, but at least I could say you backed up your argument.

    However, you do none of that.You march in with an agenda.Your analogies are asinine (Hall = Moreau), you are excessively stubborn when presented with evidence that counters your lackluster points, you constantly bait and attempt to bring down the mood here.I mean honestly, what do you really contribute on here?

    Do you go to bed doing a fist pump and celebrate, “I pissed off a bunch of Oiler fans today.Mission accomplished”?

    Do you?

    ps. You’ll find no one here holding up the Horcoff contract as a “value contract,” people who still bring that up in arguments are deploying a straw man by trying to associate the contract with their interlocutors. Also, I hardly think this is the place where you will find people lauding the Oilers management team for stumbling into lottery picks three years in a row.

  177. cabbiesmacker says:

    PunjabiOil:

    Getting too close to Montreal, Minnesota.Need to lose these meaningless games ASAP.The drop off after #2 OV is significant.

    No it isn’t actually, and if you’re assuming the two Russianas are 1-2 then it really doesn’t matter if the Oilers have their eyes on Murray which most here assume is the case.

    The real drop off occurs after the 8th (ballpark) pick according to most scouts. If the Oilers were to trade down as far as 6-7 they’d still get a very nice prospect.

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