G75 Oilers at Panthers

In the American south this week, a young Finnish hockey player is making some important steps in his efforts to become a legit NHL player. If there’s room for Teemu, does that mean Linus is on the outside looking in next season?

We’re winding down now on the season and there isn’t much to say. It is interesting to note that the forwards and the numbers they are posting seem to have sussed themselves out. All stats from Gabe Desjardins and behind the net dot ca.

ZS

Belanger, Jones, Horcoff and Smyth have the hardest row to hoe, along with sideburns. The kids got a major push, this might come as a surprise to those who believed Renney wasn’t lending a hand all year to RNH.

QC

Poor Horcoff. Jesus. He probably gets to Safeway after everything’s picked over. Honestly. ZS from hell and then a quick game of ‘slay the dragon’ before hauling his ass home. That contract reads like a Stephen King novel for #10.

CR

Well. I think we’ll see the usual suspects back next year; they’ll flush Hordichuk and maybe Lander and Paajarvi spend the year in OKC but I doubt it. Would you bring Petrell back? I probably would.

The 5×5 60 numbers as we reach the end of the day are extremely interesting. (after 74 games)

  1. Eberle 3.20 (2nd in NHL behind Malkin)
  2. Gagner 2.14 (tied for  59th with Jordan Staal)
  3. Hall 2.07 (tied for 71st with Jaromir Jagr)
  4. Smyth 2.05 (75th)
  5. Nuge 1.89 (tied for 105th with Joe Pavelski)
  6. Hemsky 1.64 (tied for 157th with several)
  7. Hartikainen 1.54
  8. Eager 1.49
  9. Jones 1.35
  10. Omark 1.24
  11. Hordichuk 1.21
  12. Horcoff 1.12
  13. Petrell 0.93
  14. Paajarvi 0.75
  15. Belanger 0.70
  16. Lander 0.62

Hartikainen is once again making a push for future consideration and despite Smyth’s dropoff from early in the season his overall number is a very nice one. The three gifted kids and Gagner are motorvatin’ over the hill and Hemsky’s out of the hangar and making people look stupid. Love the future.

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  1. DBO says:

    Leaving MPS and Lander n the minors next year is the kind of move Detroit would make. Keep solid older players to fill lower end roles with the big club, give the young swedes tons of ice (PP, PK) and call them up when we have the guaranteed injuries, or for the playoff push if we are in it. Omark is older, and if he performs with Smyth and Horcoff, then keep him there. He has grit, and adds some offense to that line. Trade the 1st this year to add a top 4 dman if you can get the one you want.

    Hall-Nuge-Eberle
    Harsky-Gagner-Hemsky
    Smyth-Horc-Omark
    Eager-Belanger-Jones
    Petrell-Vet

    And if they are afraid of losing Peckham (which they seem to be) then run with 13 forwards and 8 dmen, with only Petrell as the extra. You can then switch out Harsky and Omark if you want. The team usually seems reluctant to lose players, so I expect they’ll send down whoever can go down without waivers, resign Petrell, let Hordichuk walk and go with extra D.

  2. bubbasnickey says:

    The whole 2012-13 goalie thing has been rattling around in my head for a while now (lots of room up there). Decent goaltending could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs. In my mind, that is the biggest need.

    We have to get rid of Khabi right? I mean, that’s just a given. He can be bought out (as painful a pill as that might be for Tambo/Katz) can he not?

    So, we’d be left with Dubnyk as the backup and who as the starter? Vokoun?

  3. Brett Gee says:

    Eberle, Eberle, Eberle. Love hearing about this guy. Taylor Hall makes learning about all the Corsi numbers and all worth while.

    Man, I really hope this Omark man is here for a while. I’m not sure what the problem is. He’s small but he’s got too much talent to toss out.

    Gagner is 5 points to a career high. I’d love to see that.

  4. Lowetide says:

    I don’t think the Oilers do much in net this summer. They’ve signed Bunz, so will need to bring in an AHL vet to play 50+ games in OKC and then the depth chart will look like:

    1. Dubnyk
    2. Khabibulin
    3. Danis (or similar)
    4. Roy
    5. Bunz

    They SHOULD do something, but that’s not the same as doing something.

  5. rich says:

    With the forwards, had not considered they might leave MPS in OKC next year, but if Renney’s back that would not shock me. He becomes the first call-up-especially if Omark is part of a package to bring in a top 4 d-man.

    Lander badly needs a season in OKC – maybe a late year call-up.

    And Harski needs to be given every chance to make the team.

    Sadly LT – I think you are right on re: goaltending. Khabi needs to go to Russia or retire and even though we would still have the cap hit on the latter, we can afford it next season. If he comes back (and again, if Renney comes back), I can see Renney saying all the right things about DD needs to show us he’s the #1. But after either the first mini-slump (lose 2 games) or hot streak by Khabi, Renney punts the game plan and runs Khabi until the gas can is empty. I don’t think the coach trusts young goalies.

    And I’m not saying DD is or should be a #1, but if it’s a choice between Khabi and DD, he ought to be given the chance.

  6. DBO says:

    So LT, do you make a deal for Bernier, offer sheet Schneider or make an offer to Harding? Seems like the only 3 goalies who are in our “age” range of mid to late 20′s, and needing an opportunity to be a starter. That may be what brings Harding here, as we are one of the only places where he can go to have a shot at starter. Who else if looking for one?
    - Edmonton
    - Tampa
    - Columbus (who if they have a brain trade for or offer sheet Schneider, need to make a splash)
    - Jersey (if Brodeur retires)
    - Colorado (if they don’t believe in Varlamov)
    - Chicago (if they fail in the playoffs)

    So only 3 for sure that I can see who need a starter. Could work well for us.

  7. bubbasnickey says:

    Lowetide,

    If that is the Sept goalie depth chart I would not be impressed and would be forced to write some strongly worded blog comments, then, before posting, edit them to a more family friendly version, then forget to click ‘submit’. Arg, so frustrating! The goalie thing too.

  8. DoubleJ says:

    I know everyone loves Hemsky. I don’t, but I just wonder how many points Omark would actually get if he was given Hemsky’s minutes and line mates? I personally think Renney has done nothing to actually develop the kids.

    Hall, Nuge and Ebs would have forced their way onto any NHL roster. But how Renney handled Omark, lander and mps was a waste.

    His love for playing players like Petrell (jfj’s and zortini) and Lander when they’re not ready. And over playing the vets Smyth and Horcoff is a joke as well. I mean playing jones and Petrell in the top six is no different then what Quinn did when he ran the team.

    I hope for a new coach, because all were doing is going in circles. I hate how this team is being run.

  9. oilersfan says:

    I find the idea of trading any assets for Bernier or offer sheeting Schneider as poor moves. How do we know either of them are better than Dubnyk? They both play on teams that are excellent defensively and only play every third or fourth game.

    If Dubnyk played for the Canucks or Kings he would be the guy everybody wants. If those two played on the Oilers whatever flaws they have would be revealed to the world.

    How do we know either are better than what we have?

    I would prefer to get a journeyman 31-33ish year old goalie like Biron to tandem with Dubnyk.

    Which goalies in the league that are considered top 10 are under 28 years old?

    Quick? Ward? Anybody else?

    For whatever reasons the best goalies seem to show up when they are about 30. Find one of them for cheap like Kipper or Vokoun were.

  10. DBO says:

    oilersfan,

    ONe thing to look at is how a goalie performs in comparison to the other goalie. One thing about Schneider, is while he does play on a top team, he is 17 pts ahead in save percentage then Luongo. Yes Lou has struggled in some games, but Schneider is clearly outplaying, has played well at all levels, and is the kind of player you go for. if it costs us nothing more then a 2nd rd pick in an offer sheet (which it won’t since Van will move him at the draft) then great. I would make a play for schneider, or offer a deal to Harding. (whose save percentage is very close to Backstrom).

    FYI, Biron is almost 30 pts below Lundquist in SV%. I would rather give Danis a shot then Biron.

  11. nathan says:

    @jasongregor: “Omark guaranteed he’s done with team in future..”I play better if I’m happy and I’ll be more happy at the World’s.” Re: going back to OKC.”

    That Gregor (re)tweet yesterday missed the whole question. Michaels asked Omark if he was disappointed that the Oilers won’t be able to send him to the AHL playoffs.

    Matheson:

    Linus Omark would have to go on waivers, even after the Oilers’ NHL season ends, to play for their Oklahoma City farm club…When asked by Oilers radio announcer Jack Michaels if he was disappointed he couldn’t play in Oklahoma City, Omark hesitated.

    “Not really. I want to compete for a spot in the world championship in Sweden and I will go to the (Swedes’) camp if they (Oilers) let me”

    “Of course, I would like to win something down there (AHL), but I play better when I am happy and I’m more happy at the world championship”

  12. Lois Lowe says:

    I think we have to accept that Khabi is going to be back to finish his contract and that Dubnyk is likely to see a lot more game next year. I think that we also have to accept that our goaltending with average at best. Marc has shown time and time again that it’s a terrible market for goalies this summer and that forcing a move would be terrible management. The only was I see the Oilers dealing for one is as part of a package for a top 4 defenceman.

    I can’t see Omark on next year’s roster unless we trade some forwards out for D and G which is a shame because I think that he’s a legitimate NHLer right now. Teemu looks good out there and I hope he has a chance to stick with the club in September.

  13. skidplate says:

    DoubleJ,

    How many rookies do you want on the team? How many games would we have won if we had half of our forwads as rookies?

  14. Clay says:

    Unfortunately, I think that all the needed off-season moves are going to hinge upon how much video Tambo has watched of Nathan MacKinnon.

    If he was ok with icing an unbalanced team to get a shot at the likes of Yakupov or Grigorenko, I shudder to think what he’d do to for a chance at “the next Crosby”.

  15. regwald says:

    nathan:
    @jasongregor: “Omark guaranteed he’s done with team in future..”I play better if I’m happy and I’ll be more happy at the World’s.” Re: going back to OKC.”

    That Gregor (re)tweet yesterday missed the whole question. Michaels asked Omark if he was disappointed that the Oilers won’t be able to send him to the AHL playoffs.

    Matheson:

    Linus Omark would have to go on waivers, even after the Oilers’ NHL season ends, to play for their Oklahoma City farm club…When asked by Oilers radio announcer Jack Michaels if he was disappointed he couldn’t play in Oklahoma City, Omark hesitated.

    “Not really. I want to compete for a spot in the world championship in Sweden and I will go to the (Swedes’) camp if they (Oilers) let me”

    “Of course, I would like to win something down there (AHL), but I play better when I am happy and I’m more happy at the world championship”

    Not sure if you saw it, but there was a pissing match with Tencer over Gregor’s tweet. Claims Gregor scooped it from his twitter feed.

    Based on how you laid it out there, it seems the tweet is out of context. If that is Omark’s response after being told he couldn’t be sent to OKC, then it makes more sense and is not as damning as when you just read the tweet about the worlds vs OKC.

  16. Jordan says:

    It’s going to be an interesting off season, if for no other reason than we will get a much clearer picture of what the management team thinks this team needs to win.

    Thought of the day:

    The team definitely needs more of what Harski brings – Size, strength and skill that can play the PF role. Ideally, having one of his type of player on every line would be a huge plus. Because if you can spread that out, you don’t need the energy line – it becomes redundant because every line has someone who can bang bodies and contribute to his line playing well.

    Last night listening to Jack and Bob, they were both talking about how the team needs a bigger body with skill who can play the north-south game well. I couldn’t help but laugh.

    Player X is 6’2″, 204lbs, great skater, solid back-checker, has average NHL-level skill.
    Sounds, like the player we need, no? It’s too bad Player X is in the AHL right now. :/

    I’m not convinced Smyth is worth bringing back for his hockey. If it wasn’t for his history with the club, I’m not sure that you could make a convincing case for him to be brought back for 1 season at more than 2M, let alone two season.
    Love the man and the hair, but have to question the team makeup with him on the roster.

    What I would like to see:
    Harski – Gagner – Hemsky
    Penner – RNH – Eberle
    Hall – Horcoff – Pajaarvi
    Smyth – Belanger – Jones
    Eager – Petrell

    That is NHL-quality forward depth. That is what will take a team from the bottom of the league to the middle of the league – scoring depth.

  17. nathan says:

    So @ G74 Omark gets real linemates and is out there late in the game, in overtime, and the shootout.

    What gives? Providing some rope for hanging? Pumping for trade? Renney just found out he’s definitely not getting an extension?

  18. Captain Obvious says:

    Gregor has officially joined the disgraceful mob that is the Edmonton media. He should be ashamed of himself.

  19. Truth says:

    An offer sheet to Schneider would have to be at least $5M/yr I would guess for the Canucks not to match. This I don’t think the Oil would have a problem with, however the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks they would have to give in compensation is risky. The Oil aren’t picking in the later portion of the rounds and I don’t think it would be too out there for them to finish bottom 10 next year.

    If they offer over $6.3M it would be 2-1st’s, a 2nd, and a 3rd. That is incredibly risky IMO and would stock up the Canucks for years. They would be all but ensuring their divisional rivals even more years of success.

    Don’t do it.

  20. Clay says:

    Jordan,

    Harski and Penner ahead of Hall? How do those drapes taste?

  21. Ducey says:

    Was a bit concerned yesterday after Bookie suggested the Oilers would lose Omark for nothing, however, Matheson’s article also confirmed the Oilers can qualify Omark and therefore won’t lose him for nothing. He thinks they will trade him. Here is the full quote:

    Oilers will shop Omark around

    Linus Omark would have to go on waivers, even after the Oilers’ NHL season ends, to play for their Oklahoma City farm club. It’s unlikely the Oilers would risk losing Omark, who played in place of Lennart Petrell (groin) against the Lightning. Omark, who was scratched in Nashville to play Darcy Hordichuk (a tell- tale sign he doesn’t fit into their long-range plans), will be shopped this summer after the Oilers qualify him to keep his rights … Petrell is “day to day” with his groin injury. He was hurt after 3 1/2 minutes work in Nashville.

    When asked by Oilers radio announcer Jack Michaels if he was disappointed he couldn’t play in Oklahoma City for the playoffs, Omark hesitated.

    “Not really. I want to compete for a spot in the world championship in Sweden and I will go to the (Swedish team) camp if they (Oilers) let me.

    “Of course, I would like to win something down there (AHL), but I play better when I am happy and I’m more happy at the world championship.”

  22. gd says:

    LT,

    My expectations for the team are finish 10th in West next year, make playoffs in 2013/14 and be top 4 in West by 2014/15.

    With that said I am okay with the Oil go into the season with DD and NK as the goalies. DD has shown enough promise to at least be a top 20 goalie, which would be enough to challenge for a playoff spot. I think NK is adequate for 25 as a backup, plus he could be helpful if the team drafts Grigerenko and they’re stuck paying him for one more year so they might as well get something for their money. I think Schneider is the only available guy who should be better than DD and I think the overpayment for him is too risky, especially because whatever assets we give to Vancouver we will play 6 times a year. The one goaiie who might be worth going for, is whoever is on the team that Schneider goes to.

    The other big question for me is whether Gagner is good enough to be a second line centre on a contending team. My biggest reason for hope for him is he is still so young, and his dad was considered a 1st round flop and then at 24 became an extremely good NHL centre for almost 10 years. I feel in the salary cap era a team contends with a few elite players in some spots and need to be about average in others and not crappy in any spots and I hope Gagner can be at least average as a second line centre.

    In reality the two most important decisions for the organization are who will be in management/coaching next year and what they do with the draft pick(and what spot the pick is). Until those issues are least clearer the other moves they can do are kind of moot.

  23. LMHF#1 says:

    Are we not all jumping the gun without knowing which kind of coach will be here? If we get a guy that even has some sense of “play the best you’ve got” then you’d think Omark would stay. If they hired Nelson, you’d think he’d ask to play #23 for instance.

    Playing Hordichuk over Omark is just a sign that Renney can be a bit of a dumbass.

  24. Captain Obvious says:

    Truth,

    An offer sheet for Schneider doesn’t need to be nearly that high. Unless the Canucks trade Luongo they probably won’t be able to match the max second round pick offer sheet (around $3.4M or so). That’s the move to make. Moreover it is risk free, the Canucks will try and trade Luongo in the spring. They will either be succesfull, in which case the point is moot, or they won’t in which case Schneider is fair game. My bet is they trade one of the two before offer sheet season.

  25. nathan says:

    regwald,

    Saw it: “That Gregor (re)tweet ”

    Amazing how much twitter looks like who’s on first.

    Michaels interviews. Millhouse tweets the punch line. Jones retweets. Gregor assumes the worst and tweets Omark is toast and includes the quote. Millhouse says no credit from Gregor. Gregor says Millhouse didn’t credit Michaels. Millhouse complains about CHED property. Dellow rags Millhouse for dropping out of school and missing the course on plagiarism. Jones rags Dellow for offering a legal opinion. Gregor says he got the quote from Jones (missed the retweet status?)

    How will they ever fit their egos into 140 characters?

  26. pboy says:

    DBO: oilersfan, ONe thing to look at is how a goalie performs in comparison to the other goalie. One thing about Schneider, is while he does play on a top team, he is 17 pts ahead in save percentage then Luongo. Yes Lou has struggled in some games, but Schneider is clearly outplaying, has played well at all levels, and is the kind of player you go for. if it costs us nothing more then a 2nd rd pick in an offer sheet (which it won’t since Van will move him at the draft) then great. I would make a play for schneider, or offer a deal to Harding. (whose save percentage is very close to Backstrom).FYI, Biron is almost 30 pts below Lundquist in SV%. I would rather give Danis a shot then Biron.

    Nice post.

    When can the Oiler’s start talking extension with Khabi?

  27. DSF says:

    Captain Obvious:
    Truth,

    An offer sheet for Schneider doesn’t need to be nearly that high.Unless the Canucks trade Luongo they probably won’t be able to match the max second round pick offer sheet (around $3.4M or so).That’s the move to make.Moreover it is risk free, the Canucks will try and trade Luongo in the spring.They will either be succesfull, in which case the point is moot, or they won’t in which case Schneider is fair game.My bet is they trade one of the two before offer sheet season.

    Your thinking is way off base here.

    First, the Canucks can easily match a $3.4M offer sheet and would do so in a heartbeat so tendering it would merely create animosity between the two teams.

    Second, based on Bettman’s recent statements, the cap through the summer is likely to rise by $4-5M while the new CBA is being negotiated so matching the offer sheet would be a no brainer for Gillis.

    Third, it’s likely there will be a buyout amnesty in the next CBA and Vancouver would undoubtedly use it on Luongo’s contract.

  28. Ducey says:

    The other big question for me is whether Gagner is good enough to be a second line centre on a contending team. My biggest reason for hope for him is he is still so young, and his dad was considered a 1st round flop and then at 24 became an extremely good NHL centre for almost 10 years. I feel in the salary cap era a team contends with a few elite players in some spots and need to be about average in others and not crappy in any spots and I hope Gagner can be at least average as a second line centre.

    I was really impressed with Sam’s shootout move yesterday. He now has three (backhand and forehand dekes, and a shot) that are pretty reliable. He also has been playing more physical and showing up on defence. But he has slipped a bit on faceoffs (now at 47.3%) and if you take out his 8 point night, his points have not improved.

    Its a tough call. I think they will give him another season.

  29. bookje says:

    Lowetide:
    I don’t think the Oilers do much in net this summer. They’ve signed Bunz, so will need to bring in an AHL vet to play 50+ games in OKC and then the depth chart will look like:

    1. Dubnyk
    2. Khabibulin
    3. Danis (or similar)
    4. Roy
    5. Bunz

    They SHOULD do something, but that’s not the same as doing something.

    Tambellini has been quoted as saying that they will be looking to get a couple of Vets for the defense. Perhaps another ‘bubble’ goalie like Yann Danis gets a chance.

    Remember, the game has changed and the goal now is a playoff spot, not last or 25th place.

  30. Jordan says:

    Clay,

    If the objective is to out-score the other team, who else would you want on a PvP line?

    I’m not suggesting he’s behind the other players, I’m saying that with Horc to provide the Defensive accumen, Hall and Pajaarvi would provide the skill and speed to transition out of the defense and into the offense.

    Of course, if you think that the first line I put down is Scoring line 1, the second is scoring line 2, the third is the checking line, and the 4th is the energy line…. that’s up to you.

    But don’t presume that it’s what I mean. Because it isn’t.

    nathan:
    regwald,

    How will they ever fit their egos into 140 characters?

    I think it involves the number eight, the equals sign, and some parenthesies.

  31. Dipstick says:

    DSF:
    Third, it’s likely there will be a buyout amnesty in the next CBA and Vancouver would undoubtedly use it on Luongo’s contract.

    I would be surprised if there is a buyout amnesty in the new CBA. I expect that the only way they have one is if the cap is reduced due to the PA accepting a lower percentage. I am not betting on that.

  32. slopitch says:

    Canucks are stacked in net Luongo, Scheider, Lack, Cannata. Can the Oilers afford a gamble like the Avalanche made on Varlamov? I’d rather roll they dice on Dubnyk and if anything move the assets to address the D.

    Lowetide, you should add polls on your blog. Its easy to do in WordPress. Questions like “Is the Belanger signing a good one” (at the time) “Should the Oilers move Gagner”, “Should the Oilers draft a highly talented Russian or by need (a dman)” would be interesting to reflect back on.

    Oh and forget Penner. He has 17 points. We can do better.

  33. commonfan14 says:

    DSF: Your thinking is way off base here.

    Totally agree that the Canucks would junk Luongo and make a Schneider offer sheet plan moot if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA.

    But on them still matching if they can’t dump Luongo, do you really think they’re prepared to have an $8.7 million cap hit tied up in their net? Seems awfully questionable.

    Are you thinking they’ll match the sheet and then deal Scneider?

  34. DSF says:

    commonfan14: Totally agree that the Canucks would junk Luongo and make a Schneider offer sheet plan moot if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA.

    But on them still matching if they can’t dump Luongo, do you really think they’re prepared to have an $8.7 million cap hit tied up in their net?Seems awfully questionable.

    Are you thinking they’ll match the sheet and then deal Scneider?

    Under the current CBA, they can’t deal Schneider for one year after matching.

    I expect they would find a way to trade Luongo.

    People tend to forget that Luongo’s contract has TWO out clauses in it.

  35. Gerta Rauss says:

    Dipstick: I would be surprised if there is a buyout amnesty in the new CBA.I expect that the only way they have one is if the cap is reduced due to the PA accepting a lower percentage.I am not betting on that.

    I hope that there is a clause included in the next CBA or at least some type of mechanism that allows teams to shed contracts while paying a penalty of some sort(paying the same value of the buyout to revenue sharing or forfeiting draft picks, or both)

    I would think the PA might support this as well-they have seen multiple players buried in the minors-effectively ending their NHL careers(Redden,Finger to name just 2) and a couple players(Commodore,Souray) that have shown that they can still be effective players in the NHL but were buried in the minors strictly for financial purposes. I’m open to suggestions on what this would look like but I would like to see teams have some kind of “relief valve” that allows them to remove players from the roster and free up cap space-the current buyout mechanism is too harsh with regards to cap space imo.

  36. cabbiesmacker says:

    Are people really up in arms over thoughts of Omark leaving? Clearly we have run out of things to nitpick if so.

    Management says it’s a 5 year process and clearly they’re not going to rush that. Worst case is Hartikainen and MPS move up and Omark is on the outs. “Shrug”

    I’m thinking there isn’t much done re the forward corps during the off-season outside of re-signing Smyth and the focus will all be on D be it via draft or tweaks. The Gilbert trade was a big tell imo.

  37. cranky says:

    awhile back, someone posted a great imaginary conversation between Jay Feaster and another GM, and I’m having trouble finding it. Anyone know offhand which post it was in?

    Cheers!

  38. regwald says:

    nathan:
    regwald,

    Saw it: “That Gregor (re)tweet ”

    Amazing how much twitter looks like who’s on first.

    Michaels interviews. Millhouse tweets the punch line. Jones retweets. Gregor assumes the worst and tweets Omark is toast and includes the quote. Millhouse says no credit from Gregor. Gregor says Millhouse didn’t credit Michaels. Millhouse complains about CHED property.Dellow rags Millhouse for dropping out of school and missing the course on plagiarism. Jones rags Dellow for offering a legal opinion. Gregor says he got the quote from Jones (missed the retweet status?)

    How will they ever fit their egos into 140 characters?

    Nathan …. that’s priceless … sounds like kids fighting over a toy or a spilled ice cream cone in the playground. LOL

  39. Ducey says:

    Cranky, here it is: (I think it was Cabbie – I saved and sent it on to some Flames fans)

    “Hi Jay, it’s every other GM in the league calling. Lets talk Iginla”
    “I can’t….Ken King says he’s golden and he’s got a NMC”
    “How about Cammalleri?”
    “NTC”
    “Tanguay?”
    “NTC”
    “Jokinen?”
    NTC
    “Glencross?”
    “NMC”…Is this a prank call?”
    “No Jay…how about Moss or Backlund then?”
    “Injured”..(sob)
    “So you have nothing of value at Forward to trade me Jay?”
    “I could probably get Stajan to wave HIS NTC”
    “Bwaahaahaa…now who’s pranking who?”

    How bout we try for a D then Jay?”
    “Ok” (sound of kleenex box being opened)
    “JBo?”
    “NTC”
    “Giordano?”
    “NMC..then NTC”
    “Sarich?”
    “FULL NMC”
    “Ok Jay…lets make this easier then…Babchuk?”
    “NTC”……(sound of bullets being loaded into revolver)

    “Well Jay I don’t know what to say man. About the only other guy we’d be interested in is Kipper”
    moment of silence
    BANG

  40. bookje says:

    cranky:
    awhile back, someone posted a great imaginary conversation between Jay Feaster and another GM, and I’m having trouble finding it. Anyone know offhand which post it was in?

    Cheers!

    That was fantastic. Poor Fester – crappy team ALL with NMCs

  41. regwald says:

    cranky,

    Cabbie Smacker on this blog posting:

    Feaster

    It was so funny I actually saved it and sent it to friends via email, so it was easy to find. Once again, compliments to Cabbie Smacker. It was a work of art.

  42. bendelson says:

    Lois Lowe,

    This post could have been written 12 months ago. Nothing has changed.
    So sad.

    DD is likely better than most available goalies. IMO for the 3rd year in a row DD has had a very good second half?

    A reflection on the inconsistency of youth? A statement about resiliency and commitment to improve! Perhaps a direct result from Oiler coaching ignoring DD in the first half while overplaying Khabi – then giving him legit opportunity over the last 40 games?

    Don’t know the answers with any certainty. So we wait and evaluate DD again next season?

  43. cranky says:

    Ducey,

    Thanks Ducey and Regwald, that’s what I’m gonna do with it… have a cousin in Calgary who’s down on the Falmes right now and it’s my duty to pile it on…

    and of course, shout out out out out outs to CabbieSmacker for writting it in the first place!

  44. pboy says:

    cabbiesmacker: Are people really up in arms over thoughts of Omark leaving? Clearly we have run out of things to nitpick if so.Management says it’s a 5 year process and clearly they’re not going to rush that. Worst case is Hartikainen and MPS move up and Omark is on the outs. “Shrug”I’m thinking there isn’t much done re the forward corps during the off-season outside of re-signing Smyth and the focus will all be on D be it via draft or tweaks. The Gilbert trade was a big tell imo.

    When was the first year of the 5 year process though?

  45. rickithebear says:

    bendelson: DD is likely better than most available goalies. IMO for the 3rd year in a row DD has had a very good second half?

    Since X mas:
    Khabibulin:
    1W -11L-4OL .881 SV% 3.74GA
    Dubnyk
    12W-9L-2OL .918 SV% 2.56GA

    Since the trade for Schultz:
    Khabibulin
    0W-3L-2OL .889 SV% 2.74GA
    Dubnyk
    5W-3L-2OL .930 SV% 2.23GA

    If dubnyk plays 2/3 of Khabibulin’s games since Xmas we might be +13 in points.
    67PT + 13PT = 80 PT

    Vokoun, Garrison,

  46. bendelson says:

    rickithebear,

    Thanks for the numbers. He has his share of detractors but those numbers are very good starter type stats.

    Above .500 since Xmas… Hmm. Good thing Renney decided to showcase Khabi’s talents… That really paid off. Well… Actually if tanking was the goal then I guess it really did help!

    Renney like Quinn and MacT before him, has trouble handling goaltenders.

  47. DerekZ says:

    Love the future.

    A true Oilers fan.

  48. bookje says:

    Ducey,

    I just posted this on my Friends Facebook Page – he is a diehard Flames fan!

    Thanks

  49. Lowetide says:

    DerekZ:
    Love the future.

    A true Oilers fan.

    God, yes. Anyone who has followed them this far can’t really be called anything else.

  50. bookje says:

    Lowetide: God, yes. Anyone who has followed them this far can’t really be called anything else.

    Masochistic?
    Blindly Devoted?
    Stupid?
    Lazy (I could find another team to support, but this one is right here so…)?
    Geocentric (I live in Edmonton so I have to be an Oilers fan)?
    Optimistic (Five more cups are just around the corner, I can see it)?

  51. Ducey says:

    This story from HF is a little too positive but it would be nice if the Oilers were able to land this guy as free agent out of college:

    With 30 NHL teams pursuing him, Dan DeKeyser has become the hottest commodity on the collegiate free agent market this season. And it’s not hard to see why. Two NHL teams that have shown some of the greatest interest in the Broncos rearguard are the Detroit Red Wings and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

    The Clay Township, MI native began making a name for himself with Western Michigan last season as an excellent mobile, puck-moving defenseman. This season, he has taken his development to a whole new level and that has had NHL teams clamoring to get glimpses of him.

    DeKeyser’s combination of size (6’3, 190 lbs), great feet and terrific shot has made NHL teams take notice. His skating is very good, but it is his footwork that separates DeKeyser from many collegiate defensemen and it’s really something to marvel at. He moves exceedingly well both in the defensive and offensive zones. The 10 or so pounds that he added over the summer has simply enhanced that attribute, making DeKeyser not only a stronger skater, but also heightening his fundamentally sound positional play as well. Where this is particularly evident is in his ability to contain players and limiting spaces on the ice.

    Another attribute that has gotten the attention of NHL teams is DeKeyser’s shot. He possesses a very powerful and remarkably accurate shot. It isn’t often that his shots miss the net. While he can score goals himself, DeKeyser’s shots aren’t always to score but rather to create rebounds that can be difficult to control.

    DeKeyser can be seen playing on the Broncos’ top defensive pairing, alongside junior Luke Witkowski (TB). He logs upwards of 25-30 minutes per game, playing in all situations. He has played in all 36 games for Western Michigan to date, posting 13 points (five goals, eight assists). DeKeyser’s plus-11 currently ranks third on the Broncos roster.

    DeKeyser projects to be more of a two-way defenseman due to his great offensive ability and equally stellar defensive ability.

  52. Jordan says:

    bookje: Masochistic?
    Blindly Devoted?
    Stupid?
    Lazy (I could find another team to support, but this one is right here so…)?
    Geocentric (I live in Edmonton so I have to be an Oilers fan)?
    Optimistic (Five more cups are just around the corner, I can see it)?

    We are those who are devoted to what it means to be an Oiler.

    Skill, speed, passion and the pursuit of Stanley (Weir).

    And Alcohol. Lots of Alcohol.

  53. Alice says:

    To be fair, Khabi had a very good game last night, and stoned St Louis on the breakaway. The two that went in were shit, first a 90-degree redirect off a skate, second another redirect into a scramble at the post. Numbers don’t lie, but they don’t always tell the truth, either. He was horseshoes in Nov, and now he’s probably getting the backside of that hand. I don’t think what he’s doing between the pipes has likely changed that much over the period.

  54. Aron_S says:

    Maybe I missed a comment saying otherwise, but where’s Omark’s numbers? I know he’s chasing himself out of town with quotes taken out of context, but we haven’t written him off yet have we? Or is this a case of too few games played that he doesn’t show up in the team metrics?

    I was particularly interested to see what we could read from his -6.6 Corsi vs QoC.

  55. cabbiesmacker says:

    pboy: When was the first year of the 5 year process though?

    Damn good question. It’s like trap shooting. My best guess would be the clock started ticking down the second Taylor Hall was drafted. After that it’s fluid depending on the past 10 games.

  56. Dalton says:

    bookje: Optimistic (Five more cups are just around the corner, I can see it)?

    Close!

    I can TASTE IT!!!!

  57. nathan says:

    bookje: Masochistic?
    Blindly Devoted?
    Stupid?
    Lazy (I could find another team to support, but this one is right here so…)?
    Geocentric (I live in Edmonton so I have to be an Oilers fan)?
    Optimistic (Five more cups are just around the corner, I can see it)?

    Doomed. Anyone recall who LT was going to follow the week he threatened to unfollow the Oilers?

  58. DSF says:

    nathan: Doomed. Anyone recall who LT was going to follow the week he threatened to unfollow the Oilers?

    Yes.

    Columbus.

    But then he thinks Pouliot is an NHL player.

    :)

  59. hunter1909 says:

    DerekZ:
    Love the future.

    A true Oilers fan.

    Tonight is the Biggest, Most Important game of the 2011-2012 season. An Absolute Must Lose Game, unless everyone here is satisfied with this Horcoffian Nightmare of a 30th/30th/currently 29th placed team, led by AHL lifetimers during their annual “big Chance to Impress” prior to next season’s training camp, when they will in all probability blow yet again.

    A True oilers Fan(no more large case “O’s” for these stiffs).

  60. asiaoil says:

    I think you stay with the plan which I guessed at last year at this time. You give DD about 40-45 games split with Bulin this season – and then next year bump that to 55 or so with Bulin the clear backup. He’s still good enough for that and next year is the time you need to start seeing if Dubnyk can handle a starters load. DD has basically been a .500 goalie with about a .915 SP on the worst team in the league – that’s good enough for me – but he will not really hit stride until 2013-14 if he can continue to improve. As for the other young guys – Ward, Harding – they have only really had one year of top 10 performance. Other than that their SPs are about the same as DD – around .915. Schneider’s done it for a couple of years now so he’s ahead of the pack – but I don’t think I’d unload a bunch of money on him yet – he’s only been a backup and young goalies are just too unpredictable.

  61. hunter1909 says:

    I don’t think Dubnyk’s the right goalie, but he’s better the way he is than Conkkinnen ever was.

    I’ve recently come to the prosaic conclusion that the oilers lack NHL players. Please someone tell me what line Horcoff centres for Boston, or Pittsburgh(2 recent cup winners), or Detroit, or Chicago for that matter. To beat the herd of dead horses, what about Ryan Smyth’s idiotic cost to the cap? Does anyone seriously believe they should offer him anything more than half of his current bloated salary?

    Believe it or not people, but the 12.5 or so millions that these two aging players suck out of the oilers cap would pay for both Ovechkin + M.A. Pouliot.

  62. Ducey says:

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Montreal/2012/03/22/19537561.html

    Sources saying MTL will fire the GM and coach this offseason and bring in Patrick Roy as GM.

    See? Things could be worse than being an Oilers fan.

  63. nathan says:

    hunter1909,

    I’ve recently come to the prozac conclusion that the oilers have NHL players. …Try the veal.

  64. Ducey says:

    Believe it or not people, but the 12.5 or so millions that these two aging players suck out of the oilers cap would pay for both Ovechkin + M.A. Pouliot.

    Perhaps I missed the sarcasm but MAP plus Ovenchicken have 61 pts. Smyth and Horcoff have 79. The Oilers seem to have the better deal.

  65. nathan says:

    @SSimpsonHockey Getting from good sources. Patrick Roy will be the next GM of the Montreal Canadiens and close friend Bob Hartley will be coach!!!

    Ducey,

    3 explanation points = [e3] ?

  66. nathan says:

    hunter1909,

    8 games left and we have more ROW. Unlikely that we will finish behind Montreal unless Dubnyk tweaks something.

  67. Gret99zky says:

    That Feaster skit a ways back made my day. Top drawer all the way!

  68. Ribs says:

    DSF: Yes.

    Columbus.

    But then he thinks Pouliot is an NHL player.

    I think he’s probably glad he didn’t jump aboard that ship, now!
    Yikes!

  69. Ribs says:

    Could you get Luongo for less than what an offer sheet would cost you for Schneider? Despite everything, he’s still a pretty good tender.

  70. prairieschooner says:

    OK
    If the Oilers would have difficulty getting Schneider what about a deal for Luongo so that we could annoy everyone with chants of Lou and Nuge
    But if we did them such a big favour what major prospect would they ship back to us
    Khabby and Horcoff to the Cannucks with perhaps a good D man and Luongo coming our way

  71. till_horcoff_is_coach says:

    The last CBA allowed buyouts but you could not re-sign that same player. I think Luongo’s contract is negative value in the league but maybe some disagree. Either way, they would have to choose Schneider over Luongo to buy Lou out, and if they did it is more likely they try to package him.

    If they match an offer-sheet then they keep Schneider for the year.

    Either way it would severely piss them off. I hope Chicago jumps on the chance before the Oilers, but someone should put the screws in there.

  72. "Steve Smith" says:

    pboy: When was the first year of the 5 year process though?

    Next year.

    (And it’s a rolling process, so next year the first year will be the year after that. Quoth Colonel Cathcart.)

  73. DSF says:

    till_horcoff_is_coach:
    The last CBA allowed buyouts but you could not re-sign that same player.I think Luongo’s contract is negative value in the league but maybe some disagree.Either way, they would have to choose Schneider over Luongo to buy Lou out, and if they did it is more likely they try to package him.

    If they match an offer-sheet then they keep Schneiderfor the year.

    Either way it would severely piss them off.I hope Chicago jumps on the chance before the Oilers, but someone should put the screws in there.

    Since there is still a ton of cash ($6.7M/yr) attached to Luongo’s contract ($6.5M/yr) it is also possible the league adopts Burke’s suggestion that teams trading away a player can carry a portion of the player’s contract.

    Luongo’s cap hit ($5.3M) would be very attractive to some teams if the actual cash they were forking out was in the $4M range with Vancouver picking up the remainder.

  74. Lowetide says:

    Sleepy game so far, Peckham made a weird play that turned into a two on one. Maybe this FLA PP will liven things up.

  75. Lowetide says:

    Petry 5:18 already and we’re just over halfway through the first period.

  76. DSF says:

    Erik Cole with 3 goals (a natural) in the first period.

  77. Ribs says:

    *high fives ref*

  78. Lowetide says:

    God Washington is awful. I mean miserable. 3-0 lead and they should be coasting at home, it is now 3-2 and Jets have a PP on the way.

  79. Lucinius says:

    Washington has to be one of the most dysfunctional teams. A fair amount of talent, but, I don’t know.. from the outside in it looks to be both badly managed/run and lacking chemistry/leadership/cohesiveness/whatever.

    Ovechkin is starting to put pucks in, though, so I think they’ll eke out 8th.

  80. Lowetide says:

    Ryan Mahovlich goes shelf.

  81. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Well that puck went from in DD’s crease to behind Jose in about 7 seconds. Great Rush – all 3 played the 3 on 2 perfectly

  82. Ribs says:

    Wow. Amazing transition on that play.

  83. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Lucinius: Washington has to be one of the most dysfunctional teams. A fair amount of talent, but, I don’t know.. from the outside in it looks to be both badly managed/run and lacking chemistry/leadership/cohesiveness/whatever. Ovechkin is starting to put pucks in, though, so I think they’ll eke out 8th.

    They’re not the same team without Backstrom, and they’ve been trying to unload the Semin for a while.

  84. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Garrison is going to get a significant raise next year

  85. striatic says:

    have we decided if we like Garrison or not?

    the Panthers broadcast team seems besotted with him .. and now he scores.

  86. Ribs says:

    I thought Dubnyk was like 8 feet tall. How’d that go in?

  87. Lucinius says:

    Dubnyk should of had that one.. no screen, nothing, just beat with a shot he had no reason to let by him, from what I could see.

  88. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk seems to have issues moving quickly and getting set. I have no idea what I’m talking about but when he has to move like that–two quick passes and then a shot–he always seems to be a little slow getting there.

  89. Lucinius says:

    Lowetide,

    Its his push off. If you watch how he pushes off with either leg to go side to side you can see how sluggish it is. Often his upper body is going the other way before he pushes off which ruins balance and means it takes longer to get square to the shooter.

    This is nothing new, though. His side to side movement has always been his weakest aspect of his technical game.

  90. Ribs says:

    I’m no goalie coach either but I’m seeing the same thing. His size is supposed to help him cheat at that aspect, but he it doesn’t seem to help him much.

  91. SK Oiler Fan says:

    rickithebear: Since X mas:Khabibulin:1W -11L-4OL .881 SV% 3.74GADubnyk12W-9L-2OL .918 SV% 2.56GASince the trade for Schultz:Khabibulin0W-3L-2OL .889 SV% 2.74GADubnyk5W-3L-2OL .930 SV% 2.23GAIf dubnyk plays 2/3 of Khabibulin’s games since Xmas we might be +13 in points.67PT + 13PT = 80 PTVokoun, Garrison,

    Just looked back at this – thanks for digging this out RB. A team hoping to win hockey games would have demoted NK by now and given someone more deserving the backup spot (Danis).

    I’ve been low on DD for a while now, but those are great numbers on this team. Damn goalies.

    ST can’t seripously consider bringing bacl NK next year can he? Get DD some help if they’re going to bet on him..

  92. fuzzy muppet says:

    Renney baffles me. Of all the guys on the roster, he doubles shifts Ryan Smyth, who has clearly been exhausted the last 3 months.

    What a putz.

  93. Lucinius says:

    Smyth, and Horcoff for that matter, need to see their average ToI brought down to 12-15 minutes a game. You can really see the exhaustion on those two, especially Smyth.

    Horcoff seems more used to running uphill on one leg while blind-folded.

  94. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Well that takes some confidence

  95. Lowetide says:

    the old guys will get less ice time but a kid like RNH just isn’t ready to play the monster EV minutes. We’ll know when they’re ready but 93 is a ways from being there imo.

  96. Lowetide says:

    Lander with his first AHL goal.

  97. fuzzy muppet says:

    That’s a weak too many men penalty.

  98. Rebilled says:

    Jets tie it late

  99. voxwah says:

    Nice to see Eberle on the PK.

  100. nelson88 says:

    Apologies if this has already been posted but on holidays so not following as closely as usual.

    Interesting take from Gare Joyce on the Hodgson trade. I knew of Winter’s stature in the business but until Woodguy pointed out his blog I didn’t realize the extent of his ego. The way he describes himself I thought I was reading something by nelson mandela rather than a player agent.
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/cody_hodgson_sportsnet_magazine_feature/

  101. Lowetide says:

    Oilers get a point. Petry 25:25 during the first 60.

  102. gd says:

    Tobias Rieder working on a 3 pt night

  103. danny says:

    Jordan Eberle should have wizard sleeves sewn into his jersey.

  104. striatic says:

    damn. Petry is like a one man army out there.

  105. Lowetide says:

    Dubnyk’s had a nice night. Still pulling for the guy. G41. Petry ran over that guy.

  106. striatic says:

    Devan Godnyk.

  107. Lucinius says:

    If Smid and Petry keep this progression into next year our top pairing is set and looking pretty good (albeit not elite).

    Dubnyk with the one bad goal against, but otherwise a pretty good game.

  108. striatic says:

    Hell of a game, despite the scoreline.

  109. rich says:

    I don’t think Horcoff or Omark played the last 3 minutes of regular or the OT.

  110. Rebilled says:

    flashes the woodnyk

  111. "Steve Smith" says:

    Not watching. Hemsky with zero shots in 19:27. How’d he play?

  112. fuzzy muppet says:

    Gotta loves the NUGE

  113. PunjabiOil says:

    Pissing away the lottery

  114. fuzzy muppet says:

    “Steve Smith”,

    not well. he was the hemsky people don’t like tonight

  115. rich says:

    Nice goal by the Nuge. Nice game from DD.

    Hope Petry did not ge hurt on that slash the ref missed.

  116. Lowetide says:

    Hemsky didn’t have the drive of the last few nights, but he was far from poor imo. Florida’s a pretty good team

  117. voxwah says:

    Nuge instead of Smyth in the shootout and they win. Who knew. I hope Tom is taking notes.

  118. voxwah says:

    The goals against the last few games is very encouraging. Looks more like the team from the first dozen games of the season. Good signs for sure.

    Beer time!

    Cheers Lowetiders! :)

  119. DSF says:

    Tonight’s fun fact:

    Charlie Coyle with 3G 3A 6P in St. John’s 13-4 rout of Cape Breton in the first game of the QMJHL playoffs.

  120. SK Oiler Fan says:

    Man I wish the Oilers were in the SE division. What a passive, finnesse game TB and Florida play. Easy on D men, easier on smaller players. Every year the Oilers make this swing I think the same thing.
    If the Oilers were in the SE next year I’d bet $100 on a playoff appearance.

    Great game by DD. He’s showing alot of confidence lately – Love the aggressiveness at the right times.I wasn’t as down on the GA as some – Garrison made a decent shot from the hashmarks.

    That move that RNH made is almost unstopable to the blocker side at that speed when the backhand goes off the post like that and it seems Eberle, RNH, Hemsky, Gagner can all pull it off with ease. Makes you wonder if they just alternated between the low glove side wrister to the fake shot, high backhand if they wouldn’t be at least 50% in shootouts.

  121. SK Oiler Fan says:

    It’s almost like the teams in the SE division have made a deal to not be physical teams all year against each other, then whoever ends up in the playoffs is healthy and rested (Jets excluded).
    I’m likely stretching it here, but it would be interesting to compare man games lost to injuries of SE division players to the rest of the league since the lockout.

  122. asiaoil says:

    They will still be picking top 5 no matter what – and since there is no way they are picking a Russian – where they finish does not really matter unless they are thinking about trading down or trading out. After the MAP fiasco they will never trade down and I doubt they trade out. Consider that Philly only gave Tampa two 2nd rounders and Fedotenko for the #4 pick which was Pitkanen. That’s about what the Oilers pick will be worth – and in that case – I’d rather just pick a safe dman like Reinhart. Of course if they can actually get a a good young dman with about 160 games on the odometer – that would be good as well. Think NYR would trade Del Zotto and Duninsky for the #1 and Dubinsky? Too much, too little? Gets us a young dman at the right age and a bigger #2 center.

  123. LMHF#1 says:

    At the Oil Kings game…Gernat can really play.

  124. Lowetide says:

    LMHF#1:
    At the Oil Kings game…Gernat can really play.

    I saw him earlier in the year and he was all over the place, but from what I’ve read and seen seems to have calmed down a lot overall. Splendid prospect.

  125. DSF says:

    asiaoil,

    What motivates NYR to make that trade?

    They have $14M in cap space to play with in the offseason.

    The only significant signing they have to worry about is Del Zotto.

  126. stevezie says:

    So, given tonight’s massively sufficient sample size, what did everyone think of Jay Garrison?

  127. LMHF#1 says:

    Lowetide: I saw him earlier in the year and he was all over the place, but from what I’ve read and seen seems to have calmed down a lot overall. Splendid prospect.

    Calm, rangy, picks his spots it appears. Also when he hits you, you fall.

    This has potential.

  128. Gerta Rauss says:

    asiaoil,

    Couldn’t have summed up my thoughts on the draft better if I had typed it myself-if we win the lottery I’m shopping that 1OV hard(Yakupov) and trying to get a top D man.If we don’t win the lottery I’m probably just picking BPA because trading down or out just isn’t worth it.

  129. stevezie says:

    DSF,

    Agreed. Seems to me there are three kinds of teams worth looking at:Those close to the cap, those looking to tank, and those with a good player they don’t think they can keep and willing to take what they can get for him.
    Even within that group it gets complicated. Montreal might look to tank, but PK Subban is so young that there isn’t much point to swapping him for a great pick. Pitt is clsoe to the cap and has serious decisions approaching, but Tom Gilbert East (Martin) has an NTC.
    I briefly flirted with the idea of making comparing the list of teams who would want to move a top D for a pick with a list of D with a list of D it would make sense to move, but then I remembered LT is already doing something very similar and I am extremely lazy.
    Sure would be cool if San Jose self-destructs, blows things up and decides to move Burns or Murray.

  130. stevezie says:

    I underestimated Murray’s age, but I still think San Jose makes a lot of sense as a trade partner (if we’re dealing the pick, or any good yong player for immediate help). Limited cap space, plenty of holes to fill, need for change, multiple D we’d want (and Ryan Clowe, who is exactly what we lack).

  131. oilersfan says:

    Many scouts and Observers note that Ryan Murray is a special player. I have read several scouting reports on him and heard him compared to Scott Niedermayer, Ray Bourque, Brian Leetch and his GM Doug Soetart (who was recently fired) said he is most like Mark Howe.

    Given how quickly Pietrangelo, Doughty,Myers, and Karlsson have become top pairing, borderline elite defencemen, I am thinking more and more that the Oilers should draft Murray. I doubt they could trade the pick for a defenceman that good so why not draft him?

    I bet Patrick Roy would give something to get the second and his current qmhl star Grigorenko.

    For those who would trade the pick this year for Subban… I wonder how Lowe swallows that when he had four picks ahead of where Subban was drafted and three of them (Plante, Nash, and the second used to move up to get Nash) haven’t exactly panned out.

  132. art vandelay says:

    Dubnyk
    2. Khabibulin
    3. Danis (or similar)
    4. Roy
    5. Bunz

    Gad I hope so. I’ll keep coming back for the suicides, as the Oilers finish 29th again.

  133. In the Grease says:

    Anyone else getting concerned at how close the Oilers are getting to picking 5th or 6th overall? Only 4 points back of 25th place TB. (who have 2 games in hand) … yikes. Time for a solid losing streak to finish out the season.

    If they keep this up, Murray isn’t even an option.

  134. delooper says:

    Nah, the boost in self-esteem among the existing Oilers outweighs their draft-table options. This is the most optimistic I’ve been about this team, at this time of the year in a long time. Last season when Whitney went down it was total bubble deflation time. But now, things seem to be coming-back together. My little Oilers optimism bubble seems to have mended its wounds and is slowly re-inflating.

  135. oilersfan says:

    In the Grease,

    i am not worried about this at all. I have been following this draft fairly closely and for the life of me I don’t know if it makes a difference if the OIlers draft first, second or fifth. Yakupov is the consensus number one, but outside of trading him is there a player whose skills the Oilers need less tha his? Grigorenko has been called so lazy that two different scouts told TSN they would pass on him even if he were available at 20. Craig Button has Ryan Murray ranked 10th. I mean who knows at 5th if the Oilers might get a crack at any or all of Grigorenko, Murray, Dumba, Forsberg, Reinhart, or Galchenyuk, and there are scouts making the case that any one of them should be second or third. So from this fan’s perspective I can’t think in recent years of it mattering less than it does this year if the OIlers pick second or fifth or even sixth.

    I have been watching the boxscores on Grigorenko for a few weeks and he has really cooled down. Not sure if his ankle is still bothering him or maybe he is getting double teamed and doesn’t know how to fight through it. He is reminding me a bit of Angelo Esposito the way he has been fading.

    I have a preferance for Murray, but frankly wouldn’t mind too much if they picked Griffin Reinhart.

    I also wonder if Galchenyuk is maybe the best center available. At 6’1 200 and highly skilled maybe he would be a better 2C than Gagner??

    So one can see how it is tough to be upset about not picking number 2…

  136. oilersfan says:

    Tonight Everett loses 7-2 and Ryan Murray gets a goal and an assist and is even. Not bad. Too bad he is on such a terrible team I wonder what his stats would be like if he were on a good team.

    Grigorenko one goal last night in a 5-2 win in game one. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the playoffs.

    Galchenyuk with one point in a 5-1 loss to Brandon Saad (the guy I wanted over David Musil)’s Saginaw. Yakupov no points.

  137. Randy says:

    Not sure if anyone will read this but what about trading this years first round pick for next years ?
    Who do the numbers say will finish last or near last and who do the optimists pick to finish near the bottom?
    Just a thought might be an idea as the Oil do not seem interested in an early pick this year but next year could be great
    I will repost the question again tomorrow in a more current topic

  138. Marc says:

    That was the first time I’ve seen Garrison play. He’s a decent looking player but the Oilers would be insane to try and sign him as a UFA.

    He plays in a weak division that artificially inflates offensive numbers generally (see Jay Boumeester).

    He’s also played this season with one of the top offensive D in the game as his partner (Campbell) and that has almost certainly inflated his numbers as well. If you look at his production through college and pro, Garrison has always had an assist to goal ratio of between 2:1 and 3:1. This season though he has more goals than assists. Is that really sustainable?

    And his shooting percentage is more than twice as high as it was during his other full season in the NHL.

    If you take Garrison away from Campbell, out of the South East and have his shooting percentage and assist:goal ration return to more normal levels, how much offence are you going to get out of the guy? He is a very bad contract waiting to happen.

    Florida might be able to get him signed a reasonable contract, but any other team will end up overpaying him by at least $1-$2M per season. No thanks.

  139. bookje says:

    Anyone notice how there are about 50 less comments when Woodguy is on vacation?

  140. Bos8 says:

    Woodguy has a lot to say and says it well. I’ve never skipped one of his comments. A Blog dynamic is only as good as the quality of the posters.

  141. Ducey says:

    bookje:
    Anyone notice how there are about 50 less comments when Woodguy is on vacation?

    And the Oilers seem to be doing better. Coincidence?

    Was at the Oil Kings game last night. Wasn’t much crowd enthusiasm but I think it will come. Great game though. The KIngs are fun to watch when they get rolling.

    Mark Pysk was the best player on the ice by my eye. Griffen Reinhart was not as smooth but you can see him getting there. He doesn’t lose battles down low, has a good shot and skates well enough to join the rush.

    I love Gernat. He is all over the place and is very unique in his approach. He is almost carefree. (He changed sticks on the way back down the ice towards his own end during a powerplay – he is supposed to be the one getting the puck!). The guy can really wheel, and he has a bit of a mean streak. He needs another year of junior though. His defensive coverage is a bit soft but for the most part he gets it done.

    Pelss didn’t do much. I have seen him better. He didn’t seem to play as much as normal. Usually he’s very dynamic.

    Ewanyk was used in kind of a checking role. Didn’t notice him much.

    Czerwonka is a bigger player, the C for the Ice, and plays in front of the net on the PP. He skates decently and can move the puck. He had two roughing type penalties but neither looked like he was going to kill anyone. He is not overly creative but more agile than I thought he would be. He may be hurt still.

    Curtis Lazar has some skills. Not sure if he is going in this draft or next. He made a great rush end to end for a goal. Another time a Dman had him lined up on the rush and Lazar just pancaked him.

    I took the kids. If you go down under the stands to where the Oilers dressing room is, the Kings come out of a different room. They come out a few at a time and then come out and give high fives to all the kids lining the walkway. Then they stand there waiting until everyone is ready to go. My 11 year old daughter who plays hockey got to high five about 12 players and watch them stand 2 feet away from her. The players look enormous. Needless to say it was worth the price of admission for her – and maybe her dad :)

  142. Billy Boisey says:

    oilersfan,

    OF, the quality of teammates on Everett, likely has a huge impact on Murray’s stats. He is the only player on Everett who can keep the puck moving in the right direction, particularly against the bigger, stronger teams in the Western Conference, like Portland and Tri-Cities. Last season Everett at least had a few decent offensive forwards, but this season they are even worse – it seems like half of them can’t take a pass. If he had a decent d partner and a few more solid forwards to move the puck to, it would likely be a much different story, statistically speaking.

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